Didn’t there used to be a general for this?Post raw denimDiscuss raw denimWash your goddamn pants
>Wash your goddamn pants"no"Favorite 3 brands ?Mine are THE FLAT HEAD, KAPITAL and EVISU
>>17638720I forgot MISTER FREEDOM. A must visit if you are ever in LA
Excuse me for phonefagging. Got these in Japan in early April. These are new pics, worn them about 15ish times and washed them once since. Didn’t expect to wash them so soon but I put a lot of sweat in them on my motorcycle and bicycle.
Also fit pic
>>17638748Beautiful pair Anon, enjoy !!!
>>17638720Based only on what I bought:MomotaroTanukiSugar Cane or Graph Zero
>>17638800Momos are based as long as you don’t get the tacky white stripe
>>17638720Mister Loiron himself wearing MISTER FREEDOM
>>17638720I only have Oni, SDA and Momotaro's. But i wanna try Samurai eventually since my 0306 Momos just don't fit me at all, they were my first pair and i wasn't really sure what exactly i was ordering.
>>17638720>Favorite 3 brands ?Samurai, momotaro, pure blue japan, but there are so many out there i want to try, i really need to get some from TCB
>>17638853>Momos are based as long as you don’t get the tacky white stripeThe white stripe back pocket fucking rules. Bitches loved that shit. It's pretty much the best non Levi's 501 inspired embellishment ive seen on jeans.
ordered some new jeans last night
>>17638874Nice, are they persimmon or mud dyed?
>>17638870Samurais are just on a different level. I wish they didn't move to making almost entirely 18+ oz denims but i still love them.
>>17638882i wanted to get a heavier one anyway, my heaviest denim is 15oz right now.
I posted a thread about this before but uniqlo has a run of jeans based on the 1998 helmut lang cut.https://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/products/E460625-000/00?colorDisplayCode=09&sizeDisplayCode=030Which is basically a modified 1955 leivs 501 cut.Im tempted to grab a pair but i know the denim is nothing special, anyone have recommendations for a similar cut black jean made with some more exciting fabric? Black warp x black weft or black warp with white weft are both fine.
>>17638890Bad encode on that image for some reason
Interrupting the discussion with an ignorant question, but does raw denim get that much more comfortable with wear? I squat and deadlift a decent amount, so my thighs and glutes are larger relative to my waist. I've tried left field's atlas jeans which are supposed to be an athletic fit, but even after a couple months of wear they still felt uncomfortable relative to stuff like 100% cotton chinos.
>>17638915Ya gotta get some wear on em
>>17638919What about them is uncomfortable? The feel of the fabic on your skin or the fit and range of motion? They usually are really heavily starched when you get them and soften up after you wash them. If it's fit related you can do a bunch of squats in them to strech em out some, but the fit wont change massively over time.Wash em inside out, no spin cycle, take em out, roll em up in a towel and squeeze a bunch of water out. Then put em on damp with a belt and do squats/walk up a staircase three stairs at a time for like 10 minutes/sit on a chair with your legs spread out. After you feel like you have achieved the strechage you want you can hang them up to finish drying.
>>17638927I think the fit and range of motion is generally the issue, especially around the thighs like I mentioned. I'll try wearing the pair I have wet like you mentioned and see how that works out.
>>17638936If you look around online you can find some other tips for stretching out jeans when wet. Unfortunately when you actually lift and get big thighs it gets pretty hard to find jeans that work, i don't really love strech denim for denim nerd reasons but it might be something you want to consider in the future.
>>17638920Delete my post because I realized it sounded retarded. But yeah I agree those look way better with wear. It just takes time to get there and looks odd until it does.
>>17638919You may have to go with a straight taper or straight fit
>>17638939Thanks anon. If the pair I have doesn't stretch out enough I might just give up on the raw denim thing for now; seems cool but might not be my cup of tea
i have a pair of naked and famous super guy's but i've outgrown them, i was thinking on getting new ones, is naked and famous still good? they don't seem to have unsanforized options anymore, and almost all of what they have has elastane
>>17638988yea N&F is still good, I get why people might hate them for their capeshit and rick and morty collabs but they generally have the largest selection of different denim types. Most recent pair I have from them is the non stretch Elephant 11's from last Fall, wore them yesterday and they are great
>>17638953Check out the Brave Star strong man cut, new for them and it's meant for guys that lift. Good prices as well.https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/new-arrivals?page=2
Copped some 501 STF on sale to have as summer beaters. Whats the best way to get that low contrast vintage faded look?
>>17638988>they don't seem to have unsanforized options anymore, and almost all of what they have has elastaneEven that Japanese brands are starting to mostly sell one wash these days. It's annoying and i prefer loomstate with decent before and after measurement charts but it just doesn't translate for a brand like naked and famous that is sold at so many non specialist retailers. The strech stuff im not really happy about but their reasoning is that same, they want to sell to people outside the enthusiast community and that means Sanforized jeans with lots of strech options. They still make some strech stuff but there was a lot of it this year.Not much else to say, if they make stuff you want buy it, if not look elsewhere
>>17639064just wear them and wash them often
>>17639064Wash them often. High contract fades come from heavy use without washing.
>>17639067What’s wrong with sanforized denim?
>>17639064>Whats the best way to get that low contrast vintage faded look?Wash em a bunch, like every two weeks of wear or so, maybe monthly on the long end. I would still wash em inside out but you can leave the spin cycle on on the washer for more color loss. i would probably still hang dry them afterwards so you dont get those dryer creases on the legs.
>>17638988they've got a few pairs of the natural indigo loomstate in the Super guy cut on sale right nowhttps://tateandyoko.com/products/naked-famous-denim-super-guy-loomstate-selvedge?_pos=1&_sid=f999885f6&_ss=r
>>17639074There isint anything wrong with sanforizing per say, it just doesn't have some of the character that loomstate denim does.Sanforization has 3 separate processes, the denim is processed to get the shrinkage out of it, it is then processed so the denim wont twist when washed and finally they use a flame to burn the loose fuzzy hairs off the surface of the denim. This improves the produxt for most consumers by fixing the issues that early denim jeans had.Personally i enjoy the leg twist that occurs with loomstate denim when its washed, i like the appearance and detail. I also the all the little fuzzy hairs on the jeans and watching them being worn off as the first sign of wear.Im more ambivalent about the preshirking part. I don't miss hving do go on forums to find out how much a particular run of jeans would shirk to figure out what size i should buy. But buying one wash jeans also takes care of that issue.I have also seen some brand doing only the shrinkage par of the process without the other two steps, which seems like a good compromise.But this is all autistic detail stuff, im guessing the average consumer would prefer to not have massive amounts of leg twist visible on their jeans, and wouldn't like them to be fuzzy on the surface with little hairs.
Used to own some 503's, whats the best replacement for these nowadays?
>>17639182They are a 501 cut but looser? Any kind of relaxed straight fit jeans should do.Maybe some of these, but they do have a little taperhttps://www.lee.com/shop/mens-lee-x-the-brooklyn-circus-101b-cowboy-buckle-back-jean-MBC7725.html
>>17639192Actually a those have suspender buttons. That would probably make a belt uncomfortable
>>17639182Maybe one of these cuts would be goodhttps://www.levi.com/US/en_US/clothing/men/jeans/relaxed/c/levi_clothing_men_jeans_relaxed
>>17639196>>17639192Thanks bros, Ill take a look.
I want to waste a lot of money on nice denim from Japan but I don't want it to be raw or fade too much. What do I buy that will stay a nice dark indigo forever?
visvim has some great jeans that are of course way too pricey
>>17638717very good timing. i was gifted a pair of blue jay selvedge jeans from naked and famous that should be arriving next week. i've never had fancy jeans before. i just wanted to ask what should i avoid doing to mess them up. so far i've got>wash them on cold, inside out>don't wash with other garments>hang dryanything else to do, or not do?
>>17639235Hank dyed yarn tends to penetrate most of the way through the core of the yarn so it wont fade as easily.SDA has a pair out right now, but i can't promise that they wont fade because it depends on how they dyed it. Like a decade ago the natural indigo jeans from the different jap denim companies were known to not fade because they were hank dyed but im not sure if they have change the process since then. Also this cut isint for everyone.https://www.okayamadenim.com/collections/new-restocks/products/pre-order-studio-dartisan-sd-d01-the-origin-selvedge-jeans-regular-straightOther then that you can't really stop jeans from fading, some other options would be to get jeans with a blue warp and blue weft thread so they are blue all the way through, they will still fade but it's a different look. There are also black sulpher dyed jeans that resist fading much more than indigo jeans do.
>>17639235You can waste a lot of money on Iron Hearts and they usually take a lot of time to really fade. I have a pair of 21oz 888s in indigo/black and after many wears and one wash you can barely see any fade lines at all. I personally dislike that fact, but in your case it should be a positive.
>>17639246Wash cold inside out, hang dryJust wear em and enjoy em and don't stress too much about having to treat them in some special way.
>>17639246Oh one other thing, if you are trying to go a long time between washes hang them up ofer the back of a chair or on a peg on the wall or in your closest or something when you aren't wearing them. Letting them air out and not leaving them crumpled in a ball on the floor at night will go a long way to keep them from getting stinky
>>17639235You have to wear the damn things a whole lot to get high contrast fades. They stay dark for a while.
>>17638853I don't know why people keep bitching about the stripes, they look cool once it starts to fade
>>17638717>Wash your goddamn pantsMy PBJ xx-009 only lasted about 18 months before falling apart. I patched them for another 6 months but one time I was outside and hadn’t realized my balls were hanging out of the rip in the crotch for at least an hour. That was the last time wore them. Amazing jeans but I regret falling for the don’t wash meme.
>>17638717Are there any slim straight/slim boot fits with a high rise that you guys recommend?
>>17639246They’re like a cast iron skillet. People tend to overthink the care instead of just using them and treating them like the durable thing they are.
selvedge brosits my first pairdid I fucked up wit sizing or its normal?
>>17639366>PBJgoat. you haven’t experienced selvedge denim until you’ve owned a pair of Pure Blue Japan
>>17639417Too big for you so it bunches up weirdly in the crotch.
>>17639543I was thinking about getting 1 size up. Those are tight in waist so if I size down 1 size I wont able to even zip them...I guess its return
>>17639538I loved my pair of pure blue japans, they have such an amazing slub texture to the denim, they just felt amazing, probably my favorite pair of jeans to fondle.
>>17639559They will stretch quite a bit with wear.If they don't seem uncomfortably tight at first they will become too loose.
>>17639417Pull them up, they look like they want to be worn righr below the belly button
I have been wearing these lee 101z riders pretty much daily since i got them. Im just starting to see some white peeping through on high wear areas like the hems and the corners of the pockets. Im pretty happy with the fit and the creases have set in nicely. I can't tell if theyse are going to fade quickly or slowly.Really my only complaint is that i don't like zipper flys, and these haven't really done anything to change my mind about that.
>>17638868I recently cop'd this pair although not at the 20% discount. They should arrive this week -- thoughts? https://misterfreedom.com/collections/bottoms/products/malibu-sand-denim-pantsThey are more expensive that your average sugar cane denim however I'm hoping the cut makes up for the price difference.
>>17640306>thoughts? Mister freedom rules, you will probably enjoy them
>>17640306Looks like perfect everyday staple, enjoy!!!!!
>>17638886Where to cop
>>17640534https://www.denimio.com/gz1917sz03-1917s3-nippon-cotton-13oz-organic-cotton-slim-straight-jeans-kakishibu.htmlGraph zero also jas a stocklist on their website you can check
>>17639071>>17639072>>17639078Thanks anons. Shrank them earlier and they're finally dry. The fit is literally perfect- high rise and all- and makes me sad that regular 501s fit like shit
>>17639280>>17639284>>17639399thanks guys, i appreciate the advice.
>>17640549I’ve bought regular 501s and they aren’t a true straight. The 501 fit has changed with time and trends. It’s pretty lame. I’m pretty sure the shrink to fit ones are more like the old true straights.
Whoops should've lurked more. Here's the non flash shots
>>17640157That's a good fit
>>17640639Nice, that denim has some interesting texture to it
>>17638717>Didn’t there used to be a general for this?>jeans >denimThere still is. It’s on Reddit. Go check it on and stay a while.
>>17640708Yeah the knights had a cool cross stitch pattern
>>17640713post fit, nerd
>>17640735Post gay, fag.
>>17638853but the strip is for GOING INTO BATTLE
>>17640760Quality rebuttal old sport
My current rotation:Samurai S520xx, 21 ozIron Heart 888 overdyed black, 21 ozIron Heart 888, 25 ozI'm putting away the 25 oz for the summer, they are just ridiculously hot. Although I really dig the deepness of the indigo on those jeans, I actually prefer the 21 oz over the 25 oz. 25 oz denim is certainly enjoyable to experience, but it does not get as soft as 21 oz while retaining enough "thickness" to it
>>17641714Nice jeans, those cuts are a good choice for heavyweight denim.Really digging the black iron hearts
>>17641722Yeah, I've worn in a pair of 777, but at the end of the experience I actually kind of hated it and promised myself to never wear a slim-fit pair of jeans ever again. The 888 (and straight tapered jeans in general) are the ultimate fit. I think that if I had to choose my desert island pair, it would have to be the overdyed black. The photos can't really capture it well, but when you wear in the overdyed black, the indigo start to appear slightly underneath, creating a really beautiful shade of color
>>17641730>The 888 (and straight tapered jeans in general) are the ultimate fit.Yeah i completely agree, ive never loved relaxed straight leg jeans but throw some taper on there and leave some room in the top block and they just become fantastic.
whats the diff between relax and straight taper?
>>17641730Generally iron hearts stuff is too heavy for my taste but i really like that they use strong polyester thread. Most of the Japanese brands love using pure cotton thread and it doesn't do the durability any favors. Im sure they consider that a positive and that give you a more authentic vintage jeans look but usually by the time im done with a pair of jap jeans one of the back pockets is hanging off.
>>17641769It really depends on the brand, usually relaxed has more room in the thighs while a straight taper is more like a 501 cut with some taper on it, but it really varies from model to model.
Where is the exciting raw denim?I want some rayon blend jeansI want jeans with that antimicrobial silver shit in themI want jeans with silkI want jeans made out of cordura or nylon 6.6Where is the really wild fabric blends? Why cant i get jeans made from silk, nylon core merino wool and aramid?Every brand can make natural indigo, massive slub, 25oz denim.Where are the new exciting materials?I see naked and famous do one interesting blend like that a year, the occasional offering from gustin and thats about it.
>>17641767What they really perfect with their straight tapered fit is that the intensity of the taper is not too dramatic, allowing me to wear my pairs of 888s with engineer boots. I love my Samurais, but the intensity of the taper on my S520xx is VERY dramatic. Because of this, those jeans really only look great if I'm wearing them with a pair of tennis shoes or skate shoes. If I were to wear the Samurais with even a pair of 6" lace up boots, the tightness of the ankle makes it look pretty goofy when contrasted with the largeness of a pair of boots. >>17641772Yeah, the beauty of Iron Heart is that they take the classic Americana Levis 501 cut and over-engineers literally everything, making it a perfected version of a pair of Levis.
>>17641730>>17641767Sometimes I wonder if I should have went slim taper instead of slim straight on my Momotaros. According to their website the slim taper is a more roomy fit, even though it doesn’t sound that way. I like my slim straights but sometimes I wish I had a little more thigh room.
Not quite raw denim, but I copped these from Japan. hope it's ok i post this here
>>17642003Momotaros sizing is confusing as fuck, i can see why they had to make a chart for it
>>17642003A tapered fit is going to provide a better leg silhouette for anyone with a relatively athletic build. If you are really skinny, slim straight fits will look nice on you because the jeans will remain fairly loose on your legs, but if your quads are even slightly bigger, a slim straight fit will hug your thighs tight while being loose on the calve region of your leg, resulting in a more feminine appearance.
>>17642014Dope, i love that back pocket design, i think i was looking at those a while ago, what brand?
>>17642003>>17642030Forgot to mention that if you are having any concern at all about slim fits being too tight on your thighs, its because you should really start transitioning to straight fits. Having no crotch mobility can completely ruin your experience of wearing the jeans. Although they may say that their slim tapered fit is more roomy, I really would not trust that. You would be much better off getting a straight tapered fit because its not only going to fit you better, but you will enjoy the comfort it provides
>>17642040God i love samurais
>>17642042If we were to separate denim into categories of Americana style (clean weaves, Levis 501 cut) and the Japanese style (slubby), I would say that Samurais strike that perfect balance of slub. Its not way over the top, just the right amount. On top of that they have some incredible shades of indigo
>>17642045Yeah samurai definitely is out there doing things. Im pretty sure they were the first to do a 19oz denim. Recently they have been growing their own cotton in japan and used it for a limited run of jeans tshirts and sweaters. I had a pair of their texas sort fiber cotton denim and it was amazing, really fast fading and super high contrast. I just wish they still made their old 14-15 oz denims more often, it seems like they haven't made anything lighter than 16oz in a while.
>>17642030>>17642040They aren’t super tight in the thighs, but they’re pretty slim. It kinda bothers me sometimes how they’re slim there but the legs look like they almost flare out because of how they’re more straight after the knee This is my pic:>>17638754
>>17642075From the front. They don’t look bad at all and I think they fit me well, but I think the next pair of jeans I get will be a straight taper rather than a slim straight.
>>17640306What does this have to do with sugar cane?
>>17641780If N&F and swrve aren't good enough you're looking for techwear or a one off from a designer brand, not a subculture that likes repro jeans of days long past
>>17642111Id say most of the raw denim industry is pretty damn far away from repros at this point. All the super heavyweight denim, the crazy slubby stuff, the crazy weft colors, even most of the serious repro brands have been bullied into making skinny jeans.
>>17642115Even so, around here cotton is king.
>>17641780the N&F jeans I have on right now are blended with Dyneema, they had some Kevlar mix ones as well a few seasons ago
>>17642107I'm not sure about this particular pair; however, many of the denim products sold are designed by Mr Freedom and manufactured by sugar cane and/or utilize their fabrics. So, overall if you are just looking at the fabric these tend to be a worse deal.
>>17642040This nigga has lady hips
>>17642077Those look pretty decent. Its good to know that your thighs are not really tight, so it ultimately just comes down to your preference of whether you like it loose under the knees or more tapered. It could look pretty good if you paired those jeans with a pair of boots.
Guys I just don't know what to do >buy pair of jeans from N&F, they fit tight but told they'll stretch>they're just not comfortable, consult internet and it seems N&F jeans don't really stretch that much>exchange for one size up, hastily accept the pair since I was in a rush>try wearing them around home, they fit but are a bit tight when sitting and now the waist is too big>website says no refundsShould I just sell them? They still have the tags and everything.
>>17642372What type of fit? Are they slim fit? What part of the jeans are tight when your sitting?
>>17642383They're true guys. I have large legs from running so when I sit they feel tight in the thighs.
>>17642403If you sized only one size up, there isn't much you can do other than wear a belt. Everybody's body proportions are different and sometimes you just can't seem to find the "perfect" fitting pair without using a belt. If you have an athletic build, people usually recommend wearing straight fits, so you're already pretty much doing the best you can. I lift frequently and also have large thighs, so even though I also wear straight fits the jeans end up getting tight in the thighs when I sit down, its just part of what you should expect. You never know if switching companies could solve your issue though, maybe there is a pair of jeans from a different maker that has just the right waist size. If you want to go this route, I'd suggest getting the waist measurement on your current pair and look at the measurements from other companies to make sure that a pair you're interested in has just a slightly smaller waist while still being slightly larger than the initial pair of N&F you had returned.
>>17642414I have plenty of non-jean pants that fit very well, but they're all very wide vintage pieces. My main problem is that with my proportions I only feel comfortable in pants with a VERY high rise and after countless hours of searching even most repro fits aren't high enough. I actually just looked at the N&F site and measurements can vary a lot between denims in the same fit. Looks like some of these in my size have an inch more rise and half an inch more in the thigh and knee, maybe I should try to exchange for that different denim?
>>17642433Yeah, from what you're telling me it seems that the thighs and the rise are your limiting factors. If you're seeing pairs that have larger thigh and rise dimensions than what you currently have, then I can't imagine they wouldn't fit you better unless the waist is significantly smaller than your current pair
>>17642435That has always been my issue when buying pants. I guess the real question is do you think an extra inch of circumference would be enough to make a difference or should I just put these on ebay and try to be rid of them?
>>17642461>I guess the real question is do you think an extra inch of circumference would be enough to make a difference or should I just put these on ebay and try to be rid of them?Look up how jeans are measured, then measure a pair of your pants that fit well and find jeans with those measurements
>look up relaxed fit by pure blue japan>everyone modeling them looks like they are wearing skinny jeanswhat's the fucking point then? are there any relaxed/regular raw denim cuts out there?
>>17643170> are there any relaxed/regular raw denim cuts out there?PlentyEvisu 2000Most TCB jeansMost jeans from sugar caneBasically go for the vintage 501 style repo jeanshttps://hinoya.shop/en-us/collections/2022-summer-pick-uo-bottoms/products/928-xx01https://hinoya.shop/en-us/collections/2022-summer-pick-uo-bottoms/products/xx001https://hinoya.shop/en-us/collections/jeans-selvedge/products/1001xx-1953https://www.denimio.com/s500ax-18oz-ai-plus-regular-straight.htmlhttps://www.denimio.com/g003-mz-14-7oz-copper-label-classic-wide-straight-zipper-fly-jeans.htmlhttps://www.denimio.com/sugar-cane-sc40401a-14oz-hawaiian-indigo-mixed-sugar-cane-denim.htmlhttps://www.denimio.com/s510xx-21oz-straight-selvage-denim-non-wash.htmlhttps://www.denimio.com/xx001-000-xxxx-extra-model-regular-straight-15-8oz-organic-cotton.htmlThise tcb jeans look fantastichttps://www.denimio.com/tcbjeansxdenimio.htmlhttps://www.denimio.com/tcbjeans-s40-s-jeans-14oz-ww2-black-model-one-washed.htmlAny way plenty out there, you used to only be able to find wide taper or wide straight raws and only a handful of branda made slim stuff lol
>>17643170Yeah basically for price to vale and for the fits you want jsut get any tcb jeans other then their one slim pair and maybe the 60s cut. These guys go all out on repro historical details and accurate vintage denims but are still priced very well.https://www.denimio.com/brand/tcb
The absolute state of raw denim buyers in current year.>buys a repro jean in the exact weight of the originals, complaints that the denim isn't 18oz>complaints about leg twist!!! smdhfam
>>17643193So excited i forgot the imageAnyway this is why most raws com Sanforized now
>>17643195>I have two pairs of them>I like them>actually I don't like them
>>17643199I wonder what percentage of fancy Japanese raws get more then a months worth of wear on them. Maybe 30%?
>>17643203probably most of them considering nobody on the planet needs a 9" hem with a 29" waist
>>17638717Tourist here. I'm researching this shit for the last days and this market is dumb. I just want quality jeans that don't get sudden crotch blow out after half a year. Now there are these two extremes of exclusive fapanese denim that nobody else can produce because they forgot the technique like how to repeat the moon landing or some shit and everything else no matter the brand is flimsy fabric produced in the third world with spandex™. has the world gone to shit in the last 10year, can't i get normal jeans?!
>>17643271They didn't forget how to do it, they sold all the machinery to the Japs a long time ago, just get some N&F or Brave Stars if you don't want to pay out the ass for a decent pair of jeans, or get Wranglers or whatever if you are really broke.
>>17643271I have 7 pairs of raws because I'm willing to buy second hand and wait for a lucky deal because so many people buy raws but it doesnt work out from day 1 they decide to never wear them. My favorite looking pair is a 100% cotton APC PNS or the slim-tapered cut. 100% cotton fades the best and feels the nicest I think they are 14oz. I live in a hot environment tho so I actually prefer a 98% cotton 2% spandex pair that is 11oz, super light almost like canvas but soft that is designer that I got second hand for 1/8th of the original price. still had tags and fold creases, never worn once.
>>17643273bad advice, wranglers even shifted their rodeo rigid heavy weight cowboy cut production to Nicaragua and the fabric isnt as sturdy as it used to be. I read that Cinch white label was still decent but my research is still on going.>>17643286>falling for the spandex jewbaka buy sweatpants. adding spandex is a way for manufacturers to make low quality denim more durable.
>>17643296I've hiked about 300 miles in the 2% spandex without crotch blow out which is why i bought them fuck you buddy
>>17643304leggings wearing faggot. you look like one of those rap niggers in their music videos
>>17643309look better than u
so my new momo's are bleeding like crazy with even a splash of waterdo I just wash them now? or wait the six monthshow do I avoid this
>>17643325Washing will lighten them and remove some excess indigo. Not sure why yours are fading, I haven’t really had a problem with mine even on tan car seats. Are yours sanforized?
>>17643325If the bleeding is a problem, turn jeans inside out, put in washing machine on delicate cycle, no detergent, turn off the spin cycle. Take them out, turn them back outside out, roll them up in an old towel to dry them some and then hang them up or toss them over a box fan set to low to dry them.Bounus put them on while they are still damp, use throw on a belt so you don't strech the waist and walk up and down a staircase for 10 minutes and then sit in a chair for ten minutes to really set the creases good.I always wash my jeans like that when i get them and it doesn't affect their ability to get high contrast fades at all, but it helps by getting some of the starch out and making them not bleed like crazy on everything. Still gotta be careful on white couches but its a huge improvement.
>>17643271Croch blowout mostly happens because people dont wash their jeans often enough. Just buy some levis shrink to fist 501s from some western wear website for $40 wash them inside out cold without detergent, hang dry them and wear them, then just wash them when they start to smell or the croch gets damp or whatever.
>>17643363How do you size STFs? I wear 32 in Momotaros and either 32 or 31 in Levi’s. I’ve heard you should size up with them.
>>17643363>Levi'sthey're sourced from vietnam or pakistan, mexico if you get lucky. they last a year at most. i have one pair that is over ten years old and that is made in USA. had to throw away all the recent ones because of crotch blow out. i'm washing normally, once or twice a month. don't try to blame me for the obvious inferior fabric quality.
>>17643384fabric quality is meaningless when the product is not viable due to blow outs, poor design, and extremely heavy weight. you clearly don't consider lighter cotton to be 'quality' which is simply autistic you don't have to wear 23oz jeans everywhere
>>17643367Measure your actual waist size and then go true to size, or go down a size if you want em TIGHT. Go +2 on your inseam or +4 if you want cufs or stacking. They might be a bit snug in the waist after soaking but they will strech out, The standard 501 shink to fits typically dont shrink as dramatically as the LVC vintage models
>>17643384Japanese raw meme denim isn't even particularly durable, they all use 100% cotton stitching which fails quickly in high abrasion areas.Get some jeans from swerve that are reinforced with nylonhttps://swrve.us/collections/cordura-jeansOr get some jeans with a croch gusset if you need improved durability.You can also get some heavyweight American made jeans from roundhouse for like $50https://www.round-house.comOr get some tellason stock jeans if you don't mind spending a bit morehttps://tellasonstock.com
>>17643367Keep the waist true to size and size up your inseam 2-4+ sizes depending on how much stacking fades you want.
>>17643384And here are some diamond gusset croch jeans made in usa. Ive never worn them myself but they are supposed to have improved range of motion and better crotch durability.https://gusset.com/collections/jeans
>>17643408Is industrial blue their only unwashed Jean?
>>17638720Rogue Territory, Momotaro and Freenote Cloth
>>17643418Looks like it.Here is a reasonable list of places still making jeans in the USAhttps://allamerican.org/lists/jeans/
>>17643401thx i could only find round house with google
>tfw I washed my jeans for the first time after sweating in them a lot but I should have just let them dry out for a couple days instead
>>17643442Best tip for keeping your jeans from getting nasty is hang them up at night, dont toss them on the floor. Some people suggest having two pairs so you can alternate every day and the other pair can air out kinda like with boots.What i always do especially in the summer is take one of those cheap box window fans, put it on the floor somewhere (or in a window) and then throw the jeans over the fan on low so at night the croch is getting fanned and it dries out/help keep it from getting funky.But washing your jeans isn't a big deal, just wash em when they need it and don't sweat it
>>17638717I would like to ask for a recommendation. What's a pair of jeans I can buy that are a lighter indigo colour, and in the 12-16 oz weight range?
>>17643558Thanks mate, that's almost the exact kind of colour I was thinking of.
>>17643442>when you lose the unwashed shine and it was too early to get natural distress
Just copped a pair of 501 STF Green on ebay in 30x32. I looked everywhere for 34 inseam for sick stacking but there were none. Seems there are hardly any greens left out there for the fitizens.
>>17643542Naked and famous aslo did this really light color this seasonhttps://www.nakedandfamousdenim.com/en/lightweight-recycled-selvedge-stone-blueAnd this kind of crazy jean that light blue and pink on the insidehttps://www.nakedandfamousdenim.com/en/sakura-sky-selvedgeAlso the classic wrangler rigid cowboy cut is a pretty light bluehttps://www.wrangler.com/shop/rigid-wrangler-cowboy-cut-original-fit-jean-13MWZR.htmlHere is a good picture to show theor actual colorhttps://www.fortbrands.com/17418-thickbox_default/wrangler-mens-pro-rodeo-13mwz-regular-fit-jeans.jpg
>>17643566Nice, yeah it was quite a while ago now when they did a run of shrink to fits in like 10 different colors. Those are probably still the made in mexico version. That's a nice green color, i like it
>>17643573Fug. I just bought a pair of the wranglers in boot cut for myself and slim cut for my 2 brothers as belated birthday gifts. $39.95 with the 25% off of $100 came in clutch to save me from being a bad brother. Thanks for the link.
>>17643579I had a pair of the white oak bricks I copped from a Ross by luck that my ex washed and dried in a machine. They were ruined with less than 60 days on them. I still get annoyed thinking about it.
>be me>shrink STF jeans>fit perfect in the waist, ass, and thighs>still too longDid I get memed into sizing up on inseam or can I dip everything below the knee into hot water to shorten them some more?
>>17643649How did you shrink them?If you are confident you got all the shrinkage out just get them hemmed. Any tailor can do it for not much. If you aren't confident then cuff them until you have washed them once and then get them hemmed or get them hemmed with an extra half inch of length so if they shrink some more you aren't wearing flood pants People tend to recommend going longer cause they can shink a lot in length. And they typically shrink some more after the first wash.Just embrace the cuff
>>17643649If you want to show ankle then you order your inseam true to size. Baggy pants are a visual indication of high testosterone. So if you want to look high test without dropping your pants under your ass like a faggot the smart man sizes the inseam up 2-4 sizes for stylish practical bagging that hides your ankle monitor nicely.
>>17643649Cuff them or get them hemmed. You got the hardest part down.
Yall remember superdenim?
>>17643683I loved that place. I actually attempted to enter the 2009 blue in green constest. But the jeans didn't fit so i gave them to a friend. He fucking shredding those things then wore them as cutoff shorts for a few more years.
>>17643649Just hem. After the initial shrink they're ready for a hem but not before or you'll be fucked up
>>17643683I don't miss having to go on superdenim and look up peoples shrinkage measurements to figure out what size of jeans to buy.Something about great fades being rare in that era made ut quite special. It's weird that there are just thousands of super high contrast fades all over the internet now. It kinda takes the shine off a little bit.Hey do you remember that crazy guy that bought a pair of i think samurais and wore them daily for like four years untill they were more patches then jeans? I think he never washed them either I remember him excitedly posting about showing off his horrifying rotting jeans to the owner of self edge and asking the guy for a job as a sales clerk because he was so devoted to that pair of jeans.
>>17643710I do. Everyone would give advice based on their own preferences and learn what works and doesn't with your body and style. It was a learning process as everyone elevated the greaser style.
>>17643720The fits, brand discussion, all that was great. The hype over spruce hoodies. People tanning their four inch thick red moon Japanese trucker wallets in the sun. People going nuts over a 19oz denim and thinking it was crazy.The forum is still up? I thought the site got nuked a while ago.
>>17643702I always wanted to join those contests, sweet fades used to always result with the pros secret methods
>>17643733Yeah i was pretty bumbed the pair i ordered didn't fit. IIRC we had to preorder them from blue in green and when they came in the sizing was kinda fucked. The shrink to fits back then used to be pretty nice, made in mexico. I wonder what the current pairs are like.
I gotta shill TCB some more these jeans are fantastic for under $200
>>17643731Then everyone posting in all caps when the n&f 24oz elephants dropped before that weight became more widely available. Good times. The site is up but dead, only the off site hosted images are still up.
>>17643737Nice. Maybe next year or the year after, when my new 501's and wranglers get worn in. I like the graying fades instead of stark white.
>>17643710I remember why everyone was hype about samurai now
>>17643764Yeah everyone love rhe 710x fit because it was the only slim thing they were really doing and you could get amazing stacks with them if you wore them tight enough.>these are too small for me nowDamn i know that feeling. I used to wear fucking 28s and 29s, now im a solid 30.Anyway samurai fucking rules, pic related
Wrangler cowboy cut rigid
>>17638717I boil all my denim
>>17643798Nice, how are they holding up? Stitches holding together?
>>17643798ive worn those all my life but i find they hurt my balls too much these days
So what's up with Benzak Denim Devlopers?Are they actually doing interesting stuff or are they just a ryding hype from giving free jeans to youtubers
>>17643823Perfect condition. No signs of rips or anything
>>17643830I should have included a photoAny way they have a sixth pocket with a huge visible selvage line which triggers my autism.
>>17643842Oh i get it the Japanese denim they use from Collect Mills, good stuffAnyway the detailing on the jeans are ugly so that ruins it for me.
>>17643798Nice color. I'm psyched about mine now.>>17643779Hilarious. I'm the same, pic related are my retired APC size 28 I dug out of my closet.
I'm thinking of patching some thrift store navy slacks as a reinforcement for my blown ass cheek on my 501 STF Postals
>>17643866Patching looks pretty great if you are decent at sewing
Should I wash these momos yet?
>>17644327Yes please wash them, i can smell them through the screen, at least do a cold soak to get all the ballsweat out of the croch so they don't blow out prematurely.Cold wash delicate, inside out, no spin cycle with some castile soap or dr bronnees or whatever instead of regular detergent and they shouldn't loose too much color.
>>17644356I soak them and air them out pretty frequently, no smell
>>17644327>>17644329If they’re dirty wash them. You’ll still get good fades as long as you aren’t washing them every week.
Are straight cut jeans the final redpill for guys who aren’t twinkmaxxing? I’m starting to wish some of my pants had more thigh room and it seems like you can make straights look a bit more tapered by cuffing them. Also what the fuck is up with Levi’s calling non-STF 501s straight when they clearly have a taper to them?
>>17644359Oh if you soak them frequently then its your call, are you going for super high contrast or a more vintage soft fade look.
>>17644364The final redpill is not wearing jeans
>>17644373I guess more high contrast is what I’m going for
>>17644376Then you can definitely put off soaking them for a while.
>>17644364>what the fuck is up with Levi’s calling non-STF 501s straightthey're doing all kind of fuckery because they can. jeans should be a protected designation of origin, that should be 100% cotton denim fabric to put an end to this stretch leggings fraud.
>>17644364Yeah I'd say so. Even if you're a twink, straight cut is the most universal, timeless fit. On top of that, its actually comfortable compared to a slim fit. I'm too old at this point to be fighting with my clothes.
Left is from 2014. Right I got in January. Not sure how I feel about the N&F bootcut leg width. But Im getting used to it.
I wear 32 waist Momos with about 2 inches cut off the total inseam. Looking at Levi’s STF to add a pair of black jeans to my closet. How should I size them to get them close to my 32/33ish Momos?
>>17644480Buy stf in your actual waist size, don't size up, go 34 on the inseam and they will shink somewhere between .5 and 2 inches in length depending on what mood they are in.Don't size up on the waist unless you want a big baggy anti-fit and a mandatory belt.Also black shrink to fits are a good call. My friend had a great looking pair.
>>17644480>>17644512I should add they will strech about an inch in the waist with a few wears so if they start out a tiny bit tight that's good. Some people even size down one on them. Make sure to actually measure your waist or a pair of jeans and don't go by tagged sizes.
Look Raw DenimIs Pretty CoolBut Blue is BestWhen in Pool
>>17644512I went to a store to try on a pair of 34s because everyone says to size up and they were fucking enormous. I know most people say size up but there’s no way they would shrink enough to fit. I’m not sure what my actual waist size is. >>17644516Do I use a tape measure directly over my belly button or do I measure where my jeans sit? Leaning toward getting 32s which are a bit roomy for me in Levi’s.
>>17644543>measure where my jeans sit?Do thisActually if you can try them on i would just grab a pair and try to go for the raw pair fitting snug but not tight. Basically they will shrink an inch or maybe less in the waist but then they will strech back out by an inch. But it depends on the kind of fit you are looking for and how willing you are to have them be real tight for a few days after you shrink them.
>>17644565I’m willing to have them be a bit snug for a couple wears. I just worry about them shrinking more with each wash until I can no longer fit in them at all.
>>17644682Okay my understanding is that after a few wears the waistband will basically end up the same size as it was when you bought them raw. As long as you actually toss them in the water to shrink them instead of doing some 10 minute quick soak in cold water you will get 90%+ of the shrinkage out right away. Ive never had a pair or raws get smaller on me with subsequent washes beyond maybe a litte leg shrinkage (unless i was getting fatter)
>>17644690>As long as you actually toss them in the water to shrink them *toss them in the washer to shrink them
Where can i cop jeans that fit like the green jacket guys?
>>17638717to celebrate a promotion i decided to get my first pair of fairly expensive jeans. probably not that much for most of the posters here, but it's a big buy for me, and i can't wait to get them in.
>>17645240Momos are always a good choice. What cut did you get?
>>17645272i went with the high taper fit. i considered the slim taper as well, but i think it would be too baggy if i chose my normal size and i didn't want to risk them not fitting if i sized down like they recommended.
>>17645240NiceYa know momo uses all cotton from Zimbabwe, apparently its still handpicked, current best cotton you can get in the world outside of some tiny producers here and there.
>>17645194Rustler for cheap or vintage 505s if you don't mind hunting on ebay for a bit.
Why do my Japanese raws and my non-raw Levi’s fit almost the exact same in the waist?
>>17645325because they are the same size
Hard+soft weird guys, levis so high bootcutLevis 517 c. 1981, dirty fade true guys.How many of you have true guys? I dig em but i'm still trying to let my 501's wear out before i realy get into fading them. They are a good replacement, though. Solid high rise straight.I'm normally a tag 31 but went for the 30 true guy and they're a near perfect match in fit for my 501 stf 32×36, if a tad bit more snug which i don't mind. Certainly not too tight. Always check size guides and be ready for any particular garment to vary from a manufacturer's size chart. N&F say +/-.5" so if you receive something that's outside of that range, then it is their error and they should replace them.Be blessed, and happy fading.
>>17645291Egyptian cotton is better because it meets with the Mediterranean Sea which adds salt water and other minerals to the plant. Anyone who talks about American cotton is ignorant.
new momo's got a little bleed on the cuffs, not a big deal but wondering:best way to remove the dye? or is it just a battle-scar at this point
>>17645751Egyptian cotton has been dogshit for 15 plus years now, all the good genetics are lost and their current output is complete garbage.https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-end-of-egyptian-cotton>By 2013, the cotton harvest was turning out so poorly that Khedr stopped going to the classing facilities. “I wouldn’t go down to supervise the agents because, really, we’d tell them, ‘The cotton you see in front of you is not Egyptian cotton,’ ” he said. “ ‘It’s nothing at all.’ ”>Between 2006 and 2016, production of Egyptian cotton fell by seventy per cent. A U.S.D.A. report from March, 2016, blamed “the floundering and ever changing government’s policies,” and also deteriorating seed quality.Anything that you see for sale today that claims to be made from Egyptian cotton is junk, probably the cheapest Indian cotton on the market.
>>17645979You can try spot cleaning with a wet towel, it may or may not work depending on the fabric you are tying to clean.
>>17646091it's not the genetics it's the sea water you absolute mongrel, do you know how easy it is to buy new plant genetics? they're called seeds. American cotton is dogshit.
>>17646095Sorry friend, it's not the 90s anymore, Egyptian cotton production is extremely low volume and the current output is low quality short staple rough junk. Nobody is growing good quality long staple cotton in Egypt.
>>17646099and your evidence for that is...nothing. American cotton is shit, the French get Egypt's second hand scraps and we get the garbage from that. it's the sea water.
>>17646104Egyptian cotton is dying. It's glory days are long over.
>>17646109nobody cares about area it's quality
>>17646113And the quality is shit because the genetics are severely degraded.You should try actually reading that article i linked, you might learn something.
>>17646115i already know its not true because you havent linked any quality american product
>>17646116What the fuck are you talking about you sperg? I was talking about Zimbabwe cotton, you are the only one that has mentioned the US.God you fucking obsessed /int/ posters are so mentally ill.
>>17646119I mean if America grows more cotton and better cotton you'd have some American cotton products that aren't garbage but everyone on the planet knows Egyptian cotton is best that's why European fashion houses buy from Egypt not America and as I've explained the Mediterranean does not affect Zimbabwe cotton because of the flow of The Nile making the environment in the delta very different from elsewhere on the planet.I've helped develop agricultural techniques to make the same cotton here in America but it's very expensive and requires pumping salt water and fish-hydroponic systems that cost lots of money but help people in America get the coveted Cupro, or baby cotton, which is worth a lot more than regular cotton because it's much softer and is only produced when the cotton plant is grown with sea water. If you want real cupro it will cost about $20,000 per square yard. Here is an example of a cupro skirt that probably cost about $100,000 retail.Did you know 70% of Kim Kardashian's male following comes from Egypt? The reason her and Kanye were able to make billions of dollars through Balenciaga is because they are favored by Egyptians, compared with east coast American brands like Ralph Lauren that have to use shitty American cotton. Balenciaga design is garbage though because people with decent proportions don't wear that shit so they use it for money laundering among jews and 'rappers' which is why LA fashion is garbage despite having access to the best materials.European fashion>Japanese>Americaneuros have the best proportions, then japs, then americansthat simple
>>17646122Link literally any Balenciaga piece from this season that advertises being made with Egyptian cotton.
>>17646122I read none of this
Yuropean hereWant to replace my pair of kiabi jeanWhich brands should I check out for my new wardrobe ?I heard Levi's quality really went down through the years is it true ?
>>17646223Yeah levis quality is ass these days.Here is a lists of shops selling naked and famous brand jeans in Europehttps://www.nakedandfamousdenim.com/en/store-locator/#europeOr if you aren't afraid of importing from overseas shop onhttps://www.denimio.comI don't know of any cheap durable high quality brands of jeans m
>>17646122I thought the advantage to US/AUS cotton was the fact that it was cleaner and required less processing.
Anything with interesting cut&sew like pleats or gussets? Or is it all just flat front?
>>17646322You can find a decent amout of double front style jeans with the big fabric reinforcements on the thigh and knee.If you dig into the Japanese brands you can find stuff like denim trousers or other vintage inspired designs. https://www.celluloid1984.com/?pid=169073924https://www.celluloid1984.com/?pid=157512640https://misterfreedom.com/products/swabbies-snow-denimhttps://misterfreedom.com/products/continental-trousers-nos-bossaI was looking at some other interesting ones recently but i forget where
>>17646122I do not know anyone who wears Euro Fag Rodeo Drive brands; only Asian and Arab tourists by that stuff and local tacky Persians.Local dudes with money are wearing SOCAL based small labels and James Perse type clothing. I had never even heard of Philipp Plein until he was pointed out to me at an LA restaurant.
>>17646529yeah nobody wears Dior or SLP at allthey wear..."SOCAL based small labels and 'type' clothing"
>>17646552Dior has 1 single mens shirt for sale that advertises being Egyptian cotton, the rest don't specify. Judging by the fact that its a basic its probably old stock fabric.https://www.dior.com/en_us/fashion/products/433C561A1581_C000-snap-button-shirt-white-cotton-poplin
>>17646577Talking about raw denim at this point but if your SOCAL brands were so good you'd name them. I have a pair of John Elliott raws but they're like 1/3 the quality of Dior raws. Amiri had one good season other than that SOCAL brands are for goofy influencers and sports people. Kanye has hinted multiple times that Bernard Arnault, 'second' richest man to Elon Musk, CEO of LVMH, had Virgil Abloh murdered because he ruined the LV brand by walking runway and lying about his height he was like 5'9 not 6'2. LA fashion is challenged by the fact that everyone on the west coast lies about their measurements.
>>17640306Just an update. I received them just yesterday and they are an incredible cut. They are very well made the front and side snap work very well and they have an excellent rise. As to the fabric it has a very nice texture that for me screams summer and relaxation. I would upload a photo, however, my ip is banned. despite them being my most expensive pair of jeans I am very happy with them. For reference I own N&F and some unbranded jeans and the difference in the denim is very big.
>>17646122Kim is not famous in LA; she hangs out with the same ten people and no one cares about her here. Most Calabasas locals are horrified by her ugly mulatto kids.I saw her and Kanye at Katsuya in Studio City a few years ago and they had to wait in line bc no one pays attention to them here.The Fashion Nova guy bought his house in Bel Air for 110 million USD, and I always thought he was part of some money laundering bc I never see anyone wearing his stuff, only of IG.
>>17646552You will not see any local Anglo guy wearing that stuff, maybe a greasy Encino Armenian or a Brentwood Persian, maybe a FOB Slav.I get all my jeans/trousers custom made from these guys.https://railcarfinegoods.com
>>17646642Yeah I lift too. if you can't fit slim-leg jeans why are you even into fashion?>>17646649Kim grew up in the Getty center fuck off she's not famous in LA that's how she became famous, living with a bunch of other kids in the Getty Center in the 90's who are all famous now - Joe Rogan, bunch of actors and rappers all started this way before it became the Getty Museum. LA is a shithole and everyone lies about their measurements which is why LA fashion is a joke and this guy himself admits he can't fit into good looking clothes because his disproportionate >>17646642>>17646658>Angloyeah probably not an Anglo lol
>>17646608Nice, good pickup anon.
Is Naked & Famous still a good brand? I bought from them like 5+ years ago and liked their jeans. Looking to buy some new jeans and want something that emulates the same style, price, and quality of their jeans back then(assuming they've changed for the worse like most brands do over time)
>>17643857Do you not turn your jeans inside out when washing them? They're really faded at the creases
Fucking hate designer jeans down to the conceptual levelLike, jeans are a fucking worker's garment, they're used for manual labor and shit.
>>17646846I did. I think the lap fades are due to shrinkage and my gaining weight.
>>17646900yes, this is so finicky and repulsive like the faggots here talking about SOCALLY.
>>17646900it's called smart casual pleb
>>17646900I don't know why people think its impossible to wear good looking clothes and do physical labor or exercise lol I've hiked over 400 miles in raw denim that has a smaller than 8" hem because all of that extra material flapping around at the ankles looks dumb and disproportionate and it makes it look like you don't "do work" because you look like a fucking idiot with 10" hems. you know who needs 12" hems? this guy. not you
>>17646843I don't think naked and famous has gotten worse. Their worst quality issues were in the few years after they first started the brand, lots of rivits popping off. But they are still independently owned they aren't part of some soulless conglomerate so they haven't really changed much (except for prices slowly going up, but that's everywhere)If you don't find the preorder model terrifying you can try brave star selvage, railcar fine goods, or these guyshttps://www.kojimagenesxsf.com/store/c3/kojimagenes15oz_premium_selvedgedenim
>>17647370Why is every N&F fit either slim fit or enormous? True Guy seems like the only slightly straight cut.