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/btg/ - RUSSELL MOCCASINS Edition

What do I need to care for my boots?
>Old cotton t shirt (one for cleaning, another for applying conditioners)
>Horsehair brush ($10-15)
>Wooden shoe trees ($10-15)
>Light conditioner like Lexol/Bck4
>Heavy conditioner (if you live in terrible snow/rain areas) Sno seal/Obernauf LP
>Don't forget that boots need time to dry properly, rotate them and don't wear them daily for too long

How do I deal with x stain?
>mud: allow it to dry then brush off
>salt: water and cloth as soon as possible
>saturated wet: allow the boot to dry for a full day, stuff with newspaper
>scuffs and scratches: buff vigorously with horsehair brush

>Should I buy turdsdays/soloshits/doc shitans?
No they are filled with synthetic materials aimed at instant comfort but will not hold up to actual use.
>b-b-but muh ecelebs on youtube said they're good
no. you will waste your time and money and still have uncomfortable footwear at the end of the day. spend the extra $100 and get something real.

Manufacturer Red Flags
>Luxury
>Sustainable
>Vegan

PREV>>17353477
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How do Charles Tyrwhitt boots fit? Tts? How's the quality? Apparently some of their stuff is made in India and China
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>>17357999
>Proper work boots demand veg tanned leather.

Can't stress how wrong this is. Chrome tan is much more superior when it comes to work application. All heavy duty leather (firefighting, logging, combat) is Chrome tan.
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Thoughts on Timbs?
I can get a new pair for 20% of the list price
Been thinking about getting the 45th anniversary edition 6 inch boots since they got some old stock in my size
Anything else worthwhile from them for that money?
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>>17358385
So there's no confusion
20% of the list price as in an 80% discount
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>>17358390
Brah, link us to the site. Tims are gay because of the culture theyre associated with but hey, if theyre cheap.

Id still never buy one, but Im just interested in whatever sales are going on on other things.
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I'm sick of wearing my cock martens. What are some upgrades in a similar boot style?
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>>17358400
>link
Sadly nothing official to share
Just some under the table dealings through a friend from a friend
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I keep asking for gohrock boots and I keep getting no replies. Can someone please reply? One reply is enough. Just to confirm I'm alive.
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>>17358424
>gohrock
Is that the chink copy of GORUCK?
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Boot brothas, what is this and how to remove it? That weird stain
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>>17358531
water+soap

degreaser
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>>17358531
>how
bleach+white vinegar in 1:1 parts
200% certain to remove it
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>>17358189
are these faggy?
And I really don’t like the yellow laces should I get brown or embrace them?
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https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t1051628406

can anyone tell me if these look like they're good quality? I probably won't buy for the price but was curious nonetheless

pic related
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grant stone added lodden suede and minerva to final sale
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>>17358310
You and him are both retards, but you're more of a retard.
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>>17358385
Timbs are trash.
https://youtu.be/OcCk7ZK0gCA?t=160
Work boot soles shouldn't tear like that.

>but fashion
Are you black?
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>>17358633
looks like steel worker boots
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I'm looking around to get my first pair of boots and I was looking for something all black with laces, preferably without heels.
Something comfortable that I could wear all day long, even better if it's waterproof cause I could also wear them in the kitchen.Anyy suggestions?

As a followup, as a manlet should I only go for 6 inch boots? Not sure if taller shafts would make me look ridiculous.
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>>17358702
What's your point?
Bunch of hipster shoemakers using a heatgun on boots so they can make their vid and now the brand is shit because of it?
I get that the glue should hold better, but if it takes a heatgun for it to loosen up it's good enough considering the price. It's not like they're $300 RedWing's.
Besides if you somehow manage to get to 500 degrees on you soles you got bigger problems than the glue not holding...
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>>17358713
Okay.
When your cemented sole falls off, that's your fault for buying chinkshit.
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>>17358706
Shaft goes under your pant leg. You're not a paratrooper and you're not at the gay leather club. Don't blouse your boots.
Only exception is if you're in waders for obvious reason.

Pic related. The men who wear the toughest boots. Do you see them blousing like faggots?
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Threadly reminder that:
If you're a working man, you should buy White's
If you're an office man, you should buy Indys
If you're an Englishman, you should buy Crockett & Jones
and If you hate the irishman, you need to wear Trickers.
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>>17358719
I intended to wear them under the pants anyway, but I see your point.
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>>17358706
>I was looking for something all black with laces, preferably without heels.
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>>17358385
Jigaboo shoes. Probably stolen.
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>>17358697
>trusting Nicks words
As much as they shill their veggie boots, they themselves do not use veg tan for true work boots. Veg tan is not NFPA rated.

Go look around and find me a true heavy duty work boots (firefighting, logger, military combat) that use veg tan.

Stop being a gullible dog that believes in whatever some shill says. The people at Nicks know nothing about the world outside of their little circle of PNW boots.
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>>17358757
>veggie boots
heh
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>>17358697
>stiffer is better
retarded tuff guy logic right here

It seems most tards do not realized that Roughout chromexcel is used for actual combat service boots in WW2.
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>>17358757
>Veg tan is not NFPA rated.
>>17358757
Seidel work leather is veg tan, and yes it's NFPA certified.
>>17358773
>mass produced boots used the mass-production tanning method
No way
That said, John White chose to continue using veg tan on his boots, and his were the best the British issued.
Northampton does it again.
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It would appear that our superiority has lead to some controversy.

Why don't you own the best boots? Are you poor?
Maybe you should work harder or spend less money on your vape.
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>>17358730
I’m a working man I’ll keep my Justins
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I am so sick of you PNW faggots acting like you're better than us
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>>17358785
okay poorfag
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I work
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>>17358782
>Seidel work leather is veg tan, and yes it's NFPA certified.

>Source: my ass and my feeling

HAHAHAHAHA. Their heavy duty oil tan is straight chrome tan.
The 1964 is probably veg re tan at best with a Chrome tan base.

>mass produced boots used the mass-production tanning method

Mass produced boots for harsh environment that is serviceable, dumb cunts. Did you actually think straight chrome veg tan take longer than Chromexcel like you have been shilled to believe in?

>John White chose to continue using veg tan on his boots

>Believing John White is still made in the UK
>Believing John White uses veg tan for uppper
Jesus HAHAHAHAHA, what a dumb bollock.
Reddit tier knowledge right here.
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>>17358782
You sound like a Rose Anvil fan.
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>>17358787
You think blue collar dudes are rich or something? What kind of logic is this
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>>17358795
I'm sorry, that's not an argument.
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>>17358805
Dumb people shouldn’t have an opinion. You have nothing to argue, swollen twat. Stop wasting people time by pulling falsehood out of your ass.
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What boots are these?
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>>17358782
>>17358795
Neither of you know how seidel tans their leather, do you?
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>>17358704
hot stuff coming through
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>>17358809
HAHAHAHAH. You absolute nonce.
>wearing any leather not made by Horween
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>>17358812
>non shell horween
why?
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>>17358809
Current Seidel is a “retanner”. They import wet blue from else where, then hot stuff or fat liquor the leather themselves, then do the rest or the finishing.
Most they do with veggie stuffs is retanning with tannin extract, like the Double Shot, which is a clone of CXL.

They absolutely do not do straight veg.

You are welcome to visit Seidel to learn more.
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>>17358798
>he's popular so he's wrong
State of this general.
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>>17358755
>stolen
Nope. Everything is completely legit.
Store is going out of business, and I'm getting first pickings through a friend from a friend
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>>17358822
>which is a clone of CXL.
feels nothing like cxl though
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>>17358825
>Rose Anvil is totally not hyperbolic, out of context, controversy stirring, flat out wrong many times.

Shills please get out
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>>17358827
The idea is similar, chrome base, then veg retan, then hot stuff, far liquor with a soft luster surface. Of course it is not completely the same but it is not hard to not see CXL being the inspiration.
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>>17358838
You're just made he said mean things about the Indy
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>>17358844
I shit on Indy myself before he ever cut that open.
He knows barely anything about leather and talked mad dumb shits that tards just eat up no question asked.
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>>17358846
>I shit on Indy myself before he ever cut that open.
Sure you did bud.
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>>17358853
I sure did senpai.
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>>17358854
Why?
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>>17358853
Steve from bed has been shitting on aldens materials for years at this point but now that Weston cut an indy in half people are acting like they're shit when in reality while they could do better it doesnt cause any issues
Alden owners used to be the first to shit in Alden but now they're going to be defensive
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>>17358860
we're back to
>he's popular so he's wrong
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>>17358855
Inconsistent QC.
They can get away with leatherboard if their finishing is clean, which is no longer a certainty. I also would rather they raise price and use leather.
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>>17358862
You used two complaints Rose Anvil used. I still think you're parroting him.
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>>17358860
>>17358861
What he is trying to say is:
Alden leatherboard fiasco has been known for years now. The consensus is that Alden doesn’t explode, doesn’t become uncomfortable, and most important still look good, of which cant even be copied so far.

The youtube crowd rose anvil attracted are retarded drones.
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>>17358870
So his review is right, you just don't like him because...people who watch youtube are low IQ?
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>>17358866
If anything, he parroted points people made for years now. How about let not being a jackass?
What parts of shitting on Indy before him dont you understand?
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>>17358633
your tight pants are faggy
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>>17358875
Yes. YouTube is full of idiots. Trenton & Heath for instance. Hipsters who think they're cobblers because they read a few books.
They can barely put a shoe back together without sloppily packing it full of cork.
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>>17358875
Read before trying and fail to be a smart ass.

>>17358838
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>>17358875
People hate him because he was right for once.
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>>17358880
Where's the hyperbole? I'd be mad after paying $600+ and getting that much leatherboard too.
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>>17358886
Read my original post. Did I say anything about his Indy video? Did I trigger you or something?
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>>17358888
I'm trying to understand you and you're being evasive.
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Lads I'm in trouble.

I had an MTO coming in January so I bought a pair of boots two weeks ago.
But now the MTO just emailed me saying it's ready, coming next week.

My boyfriend's gonna be mad.
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>>17358891
>a woman will have too many shoes
>this is totally unexpected, and going to cause problems

Someone who is good at relationship counseling, please explain this.
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>>17358706
>preferably without heels.
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>>17358889
>Overhyping blake rapid, a completely normal construction
>Propagating the genuine leather meme
>Don't understand top grain classification
>Backtrack several time regarding fullgrain and grain
>Propagating chrome is bad meme
>Does not understand military leather specs
And that is off the top of my head.
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>>17358900
Thank you
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>>17358822
interesting, where did you get this info from?
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>>17358896
>a woman
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>>17358896
You are missing one teeny tiny detail
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>>17358905
You are welcome to drive up Milwaukee to visit them to learn.
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>>17358900
Why is chrome(xcel?) bad?
I own a pair of boots in CXL and I do not have them a long time but so far they feel and look good.
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>>17358921
CXL is one of the best leathers you can buy, and Rose Anvil is an idiot for ever thinking otherwise.
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I don't use a shoehorn on boots, but I've read that might damage the heel counter on the inside

Am I dumb? My feet kinda just slide in, I only hold the shaft
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Who makes good cedar shoe trees? Obviously they're not hard to find, I just want to support a smaller business if I can
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>>17358891
why?
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>>17358908
They live together but the boots are coming well before christmas gift-giving begins?
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>>17358935
I bought some on Amazon, a pack of five for like 90€ made in Germany
They're ok, not very good, the moving parts are a little sticky. The wood is rough which probably helps absorb moisture but I don't know if that's good for the lining.

I usually pay a little extra to get lasted shoe trees from the maker when I buy shoes.
TLB is a bargain, like 40€ for lasted trees.
Carmina is ridiculous, like 90€ for generic, non-lasted trees. But they are free on GMTOs.

This may sound dumb but I actually paid 140€ for lasted boot trees recently, haven't got the boots (or trees) yet so I can't say it was worth it. I honestly just wanted to have boot trees once, I've never seen them before.
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>>17358891
Nothing a decent BJ can't fix ...
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>>17358935
First result on google.
>>17358952
Is cedar hard to get in Europe?
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>>17358921
No reason they are bad. Leatherworkers who can't burnish the edge on them just love to shit on chrome tan without any scientific evidences.
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>>17358971
>an Allen Edmonds spinoff
No thanks. Looking for a smaller company.
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>>17358974
>without any scientific evidences.
To be fair:
No one is doing science on boot durability. People with money buy boots because they look good, and people without money are irrelevant.
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>>17358977
If only people here talk more about fashion like the old days instead of specs sperging nonstop.
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>>17358979
>instead of specs sperging nonstop.
Rose Anvil did this to us
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>>17358821
Because their front quarter horsehide makes great jackets
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>>17358860
>>17358862
>>17358870

The use of leatherboard and even plastic has been common in American shoes since the 1950s. Alden has not been cutting corners as some claim but has been making their boots/shoes the same way forever. Even the og Florsheim (not the modern shell of a brand) made their shoes with leatherboard and/or plastic and they’re considered the peak of American shoemaking. If you actually watch Steves videos you know that Alden and vintage Florsheim are his favorites.
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>>17359008
Wait what? Any source on this?
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>>17359011
Steves’s vids
Vcleat.com
Styleforum
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>>17358971
The reason I wanted lasted trees is because the boots have high instep and the vamp area is the one where creases form the most, it's the only really important part of the shoe trees all things considered.
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I saw this photo of 20-year old Alden boots on Reddit

Looks pretty good, although I know shell virtually does not age at all.
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>>17359025
go back
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>>17359013
Found a post on Vcleat, but it is in 87, not the 50s.
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Opinions on Du Puy?
Do they make good leather or is it all paint and embossing?
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>>17359032
I have no experience but I have seen forum posts of people who had it and said they would avoid it in the future.

Too soft? Too thin? Creases?
I don't recall what the problem was
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>he thinks a leatherboard heel ruins a boot (resole it)
>he thinks suede is cheap
>he thinks stitches per inch matters
>he thinks GYW is the end-all-be-all
>he thinks cork means a boot is good
>he thinks pull tabs are tacky
>he thinks a poron insert is bad
>he thinks a pointier toe is always preferable

What else do newfags believe?
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>>17359041
No one will ever see a pull tab though, it's just convenient
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>>17359032
Great leather. Crockett&Jones uses them.
Then again, great leather but click badly will still lead to wack creasing.
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>>17359031
It was as far back as the ‘50s. I had a pair of ‘79 93602s with leatherboard heels and I’ve seen pairs from the ‘60s as well constructed the same.
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>>17359043
Creasing is also more than just leather anyway.

People say Edward Green shoes are crease-proof but it's not the leather that does that, they use all sorts of reinforcements.
For example Carmina has a fabric layer between the upper and the lining to avoid creasing.
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>>17359041
And we are back to specs sperging
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>>17359048
We are back to mocking specs spergs, get it right.
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>>17359049
Better say something before it spiraled into another spree.
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>>17359055
Why does the OP say "sustainable" is a danger word when EU regulations strongly encourage/nearly require tanneries to be such?
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>>17359041
>synthetic insole
>synthetic filler
dealbreaker on any shoe
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>>17359066
>he thinks cork means a boot is good
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFINYlBmVo
new unabashed blue-collar larper just dropped
yet again shits on whites for being owned by a japanese conglomerate and pretends they are the only ones increasing prices
defends jim green and thursdays because they cut him checks in the past (and probably present), claims because they are "affordable" so QC issues are not a big deal
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>>17359107
Not clicking but if solovair isn't on the list, it's a fake video.
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>>17359109
no solovair, but overseas docs are, still defends "made in england" as being ok like the retard that he is
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>>17359107
YouTube is killing the boot community.
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>>17359120
>boot community

That's not even a thing. You can just put "community" after every word.
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>>17359128
What, are you a representative of the faggot community?
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>>17359131
No, are you?
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>That feel when the scarosso jodhpurs I bought on sale are too big.
I guess i'll just send them back and buy some Orban's since i'm a poorfag.
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>>17359204
I hate it when that happens and fuck online shopping so much. For literally any shoe/boot/footwear of all kind they should just benchmark and compare fitment with the most popular every day shoes people wear. Like high top cons. If you're 44 in those, this number in our boot will fit. Good job, you now have the right boots. Fuck all this other autistic measurement shit, it literally never works. One time I followed their measurement guide and it told me to get one and a half sizes up.
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>>17359120
the hardcore "true enthusiast community" is still there on forums, insta, patina thunderdome flexing their 50 boot collections as usual
but the youtube algorithm and the paid shill reviews it's pushing is attracting a ton of dumbasses that view hacky youtubers as some sort of authority
i know that it's a purely consumerist soi "hobby" and not much is lost, but it still sucks that this blatant shilling is coloring the conversation everywhere else and it's just going to keep happening, because people have to click on "top 27 best affordable boots for under $50?!?" and "is the red wing iron ranger overpriced? (CUT IN HALF)(SEXUAL)"
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>>17359213
I even measured my foot and all that shit. Doesn't help that I have one foot that's almost half a size longer than the other one.
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>>17359239
Measuring never ever works ever, or these people like wearing clown shoes.
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>>17358719
There is literally no point in getting engineers or literally any other tall boot memed in these threads if you're just going to cover the fuckers up.
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>>17359239
>>17359213
im sure it's not that simple but idk why they dont just put thier lasts on a branock
I'm sure they could make soft versions and flatten them or bend a branock or a flexi brannock
something
this shit of "my branock is 7 but I wear a 3.2 in iron rangers and a 12 in Alden needs to stop
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>>17359315
The majority of Alden lasts are intended to be worn tts with wool socks. The problem is the majority of people do not know how a boot or dress shoe should fit and have only ever worn tennis shoes in the wrong size with athletic socks. They are stuck in the mindset of only caring about toe room and will return proper fitting boots because they have too much toe room or are too “big” when they’re not properly laced. Because of this manufacturers recommend sizing down to avoid sizing “issues” when those issues are just an unfamiliar fit.
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>>17359269
what if you want a plain toe boot with a single strap?
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guys i just got my boots back from alden, what do you think?
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>>17359343
I wonder where the toe room meme even came from because for any shoe if you line up the ball then you'll be fine at the toe
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>>17359398
Yo bro I think they scammed you. Those aint your size. They gave you a different pair...
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>>17359404
think he's referring to vertical clearance for toes

>>17359406
what? wdym?
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lots of trumans for $322
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>>17359407
I’m referring to both. An full inch of space or more in front of your toes is fine. Some western and chisel toe lasts will have 1.5” of space when properly sized.
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leather boys, i thought i was immune from yt faggotry but there's this channel, this professional jap shoemaker who does semi asmr shoemaking vids with explanations...
literally a gold nugget a in a sea of shit
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does this look gay
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>>17359633
yeah
last too pointy
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Thoughts on Meermin boots?
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looking for a pair of chukkas with goodyear welt/something I can resole. priced $150-250 cause poorfag. also suede would be dope/some kinda lighter sand-y leather but its not that important
thanks
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>>17359615
ok yeah but send link
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hello /fa/ I've had these waxi's for about 6 months now, do a lot of outdoor stuff in them. Absolutely love them.
I was wondering if there was another brand/type of boot somewhat like them that you would recommend. I especially like how tall these are, they don't seem that tall but it seems like most boots end halfway up the ankle. I'd like to have another pair to take care of.
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>>17359759
Jim Green AR8
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>>17359784
hey thanks for the recommendation anon, but instead I might go for african ranger's, that actually might suit me better, something that I can wear somewhat like a shoe and still do some work in. Thanks for the company recommendation, looking for boot companies seems to be the hardest thing in the world.
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>>17359733
last one i watched was this one where he was making some apron derbies with boar skin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvpiXPT8aOw
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can someone ID these boots? better yet, can someone suggest some that look exactly like this without the zipper?
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>>17359343
Do people really have toe room problems with boots? I only own cap toes so there's always plenty of room.
What are they buying?
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>>17359648
They're for people who can't afford Aldens
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What are a good brand of combat boots? Preferably better than Solovairs.
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>>17359902
Surplus doesn't have brand names, not unless you really want to dig into the supply contracts.
>inb4 unapproved civilian gear
hahaha yeah 5'11"s are exactly the right boot for him
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>>17359904
thanks homie
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>>17358403
Loake Niro
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>>17359008
>plastic and they’re considered
Until people saw that plastic breaks.
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>>17359731
check huckberry for astorflex
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>>17359866
if you ignore the zipper it looks like a regular cap toe service boot , which there are plenty to choose from
the best one you can find is the white's mp sherman
also grant stone, viberg, oak street bootmakers make simmilar looking ones
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>>17360179
viberg is going to look the closest to that
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>>17358900
>Overhyping blake rapid, a completely normal construction
That's fine. I want more blake rapid boots. We have way too much gyw already
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>>17359731
Resole would cost as much as a new pair.
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>>17360179
>>17360201
anything under 200?
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Anyone know what boots these are? They look like Doccy Martens but with those hiking lace hook things.
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>buy pair of leather boots #1
feels ok for the first few hundreds of meters, end up basically limping and with blisters on my foot where the tip creases
>buy pair of leather boots #2
feels ok for the first few hundreds of meters, end up literally limping and with blisters on my ankle
>buy pair of leather boots #3
see meme arrow #1
should I just give up at this point
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>>17360545
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>>17360506
lol
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>>17360546
maybe buy your size?
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>>17360506
there are no good boots under $200, sorry
if you really have to cheap out there is the thursday boot captains, and i hate recommending these, because the QC is so dodgy and the marketing is so obnoxious
do yourself a favor, spend more and get something decent
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>>17360391
This might be the gayest thing I've seen all week
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>>17360546
buy a proper last from a proper manufacturer, learn to break in boots
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here's your 900 dollar boot bro
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>>17360613
> the heel on my $900 shell Indy’s is separating because I wore them for 30 consecutive days literally kicking rocks

Yeah this dude is totally not biased. It seems like the only people who have Aldens falling apart are neanderthals who don’t know how to take care of their shit. The toe separation on his due to excessive wear from his gait but he blames the boot.
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Dog landed on my CXL boots today, left two scratch marks on the vamp
I buffed it with a horsehair brush for 2-3 mins
Scratches sort of disappeared

is CXL magic
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>>17360643
some people think well built mans they have to treat it like shit
I cringe everytime stridewise slams the toe into the pavement
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>>17360643
t. alden

>>17360645
magic oils in the leather
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>>17360546
You aren’t breaking in your boots, and you aren’t wearing thick wool socks.
Also you might be buying the wrong size.
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>>17360643
>totally not biased
I've only seen a couple videos but I love that he will spend 10 minutes talking about how enamored with a pair of boots and then says this video is sponsored by said boot's maker.
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bought a pair of 8084s today
never spent so much on shoes, hope I won't regret it
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>>17360613
bought the shell indy with commando and antique welt not long before him and some of his points are valid, but most are pointless nitpicks or him just beating them up for no reason, refusing to do any maintenance and then blaming alden for it
>the last is just as good as people hype it up to be and the comfort is unreal, he's just wrong claiming it's "just wide"
>the foam toe part is dumb and pointless
>the shaft is really loose and you can't lace them tight, it's barely passable in really thick socks and i don't even have skinny ankles
>the small foam under the heel sock liner is imperceptible
>his weird inward gait is entirely his own problem
>first claims the boots fit like no other then says they don't fit in the heel
>yes the eyelets are going to fail if you yank the laces repeatedly, maybe don't do it
>the fold behind the celastic is entirely his own doing for one, if he used trees or at least just brushed them occasionally the fold would not have gotten to that point and he still can just smooth them out because the leather allows for it
>second he is absolutely wrong that this fold will inevitably fail and break apart, the one-piece heel stay bends harder and more frequently on the heel counter of the boot just by walking and you don't see that failing ever
>what he didn't mention is that the welt material is shit, scratches at the lightest touch, is really visible and leaves these loose frayed fibers, ironically enough the fiber board he hates so much doesn't
i don't get the patina=beating your boots to shit crowd, scratching and gouging the leather on everything doesn't add character it just looks like shit
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Is the Viberg 2030 last wide or narrow?
Viberg says it's 'E' width (i.e. wider than normal 'D' like some of their other lasts)
People say it's actually pretty narrow in reality though?
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>>17358838
He is exactly as I describe. Skinny twat purposely abused the boots just to stir up controversy.
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>>17360787
had a good laugh when he was talking about his thin ankles and then you actually see them and they're comically small.
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>>17360785
its narrow as fuck
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>>17360785
It feels like a D to me with maybe a bit more instep room. Don’t size down a full size thinking it maybe too wide. 0.5 from brannock at the most.
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PARAMEMES BACK ON KOMMANDO STORE
NOT A DRILL
OOOOOOOOOO
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>>17360949
Are they true to size? I’m 8.5 in whites what is that for these
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>>17358860
>Steve from bed has been shitting on aldens materials for years at this point
while readily admitting they're his favorite boots of all time and wearing them every day at his shop
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>>17361026
yeah I know
the materials are kinda shit but Alden owners absolutely love them so I always saw it as a bit of bants to point out the leatherboard because it has never been shown to be an issue
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Any good 200+- good Chelsea boots available to order in Europe?
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>>17360965
This page has the size guide
https://kommandostore.com/products/new-production-austrian-paratrooper-boots?_pos=1&_sid=8b2c36a9c&_ss=r
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>>17359025
go back
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>>17360949
i've waited SO long bros... i have weird feet so i hope the sizing is good
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>>17361040
meermin but they're not that good
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>>17360949
Long have we waited!
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How this would be for everyday wear in a rainy area?

I usually wear jeans , wool coats and leather jackets
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>>17361380
looks like shit
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>>17361380
itll do fine
ignore whiteshill
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>>17361417
Thanks anon, I really needed some decent boots asap, I'm wearing white running shoes right now at work in a city where it rains four times more than in London every winter

>>17361397
Why tho
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>>17361380
>thursdays
trash

>>17361462
> decent
they are not
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>>17361464
those are meermin you dumb racial slur
theyre ok cheap boots
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>>17361468
>meermin
like a quarter tier better than thursdays LMAO
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>>17361471
which is really all tey need to be for me to recommend desu.
if you cant explain the pros and cons of something and just lump it into good and bad then you dont understand it well enough
the meermins will last the average user more than they probably want it to and wit the sales theyre like $200 which is literally nothing for a boot
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>>17361477
>i'm ok with trash
plebs will be plebs. be better than the gap
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>>17361479
SHUT UP AND GO ANSWER SIZING EMAILS KYLE
fuk
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>hey you should be better and stop supporting trash companies
>NO I NEED MY GOYSLOP BOOTS
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>>17361486
ill goyslop down your throat you dirty pnw slut
theyre fine
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>>17361464
Which ones would you recommend then
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>>17361523
Minimum budget for "decent" in your opinion,
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>>17360785
yes, it´s pretty narrow
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>>17361486
Can't hear you over your cum gargling.
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>>17361034
leatherboard is a non-issue. it's just something brands latched onto to try and make them appear better than competitors. it's so they can say "hey look we use real leather not leatherboard, we're better!) when the reality is no one knows what that means or difference besides people on reddit
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>>17361670
2bh I think leather is a meme
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>>17361670
Leatherboard is garbage. Stop doing damage control for a justifiably inferior product. Go dilate back in your discord, faggot.
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Non schitzo take here:

Leatherboard is acceptable in applications that don’t see direct wear (counter and midsole and heel base). As long as they don’t come into abrasion contact, they won’t break down.

Leather is better technically but leather board is acceptable for cost saving.

People don’t buy Alden or YSL to do lapry work shits.
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>>17361781
leatherboard is the mdf equivalent. does it suck? absolutely yes. will it age poorly? absolutely yes. is it cheap? absolutely yes
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>>17361044
So that's where this came from
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>>17361817
I have also been thinking that Enzo Bonafe is probably the best chance of getting a proper Indy clone.

You can ask them to make anything as an MTO, and it will probably end up cheaper than Alden anyway.
Just ask them to stitch a fake U-shape apron on a normal plain toe jumper boot, and put the eyelets very close together. How hard can it be?
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>>17360643
>The toe separation on his due to excessive wear
The toe separated because there's a foam section right underneath the outside right at the tip.
That shit is practically designed to separate.
Especially combined with a really soft rubber outsole.

>the heel on my $900 shell Indy’s is separating because I wore them for 30 consecutive days literally kicking rocks
The heel should not be separating, period.
It's clear from the overall construction (leatherboard heelstack, fake Norwegian welt, foam toe layer, fabrication flaws like the lasting hole, ...) that this boot just isn't put together all that well.
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>>17361904
>right underneath the outside
*right underneath the outsole
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>>17361781
this is literally the correct take
just dont make the insole out of it
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On the subject of insoles, I removed the saphir veg tan leather insoles from my vibergs because they were squeaky

The insoles helped fill the empty space above my toes in the vamp a little bit, but they made the boots pinch my pinky toe as well.
But main reason I got rid of them was the squeaking, it was awful.

Maybe if you apply some adhesive before putting them in it might help, or maybe I should have sized them up even more (Vibergs are UK10 and I bought Saphir EU45)
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>>17361784
This
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this aint it, nick
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>>17362154
>>17362157
Looks like a great workboot.
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>>17362154
>>17362157
Like all Nick's boots, it looks like they put together a lot of thick, high quality materials with zero regard for aesthetics.

I'm sure they will last a long time but I do not like them
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How long does a topy last usually?
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W2C best Roughout service boot?

If there's none available I'll just buy White's but it takes 7-8 months to arrive, and that's a long time
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>>17361904
Excessive wear due to the way he walks. The stitch is completely gone from the toe. That’s not normal wear. RA need the correct size or toe taps. As far as the heals go it’s an easy fix from a cobbler. I don’t know what he did to his boots that he didn’t show but he is not completely unbiased. Everyone seems to think they have to toss the boot out just because there is some separation starting in the sole which is designed to be replaced anyway.
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>>17362341
service boots is always viberg, albeit, White's does give you easier customization if you can stand the wait time
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>>17362343
>it's fine if the heel and sole are falling off, it's supposed to
I stand by my Indys as the world's best office boot. I will not accept comparisons to White's, which is what Faggot Anvil keeps trying to do.

And to be clear: There's nothing wrong with White's either, except the fact that they don't belong in the office.
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>>17358877
>visibly not tighy
>"tight"
what
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>>17362360
denimfags are retarded, more news at 11
>this is a good fit bro
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>>17362346
I can get White's cheaper via Baker right now, even with shipping.

Are Viberg's worth it to that extent?

Seems at that price I may as well go with Alden's (which, whilst not Roughout, are beautiful).

I'm pretty tired of my Red Wings at this point and want a boot that will go for years.
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>>17362371
>Are Viberg's worth it to that extent?
Yes.
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>>17362105
still coping? if they dont fit they dont fit, get rid of pairs that dont fit you well dude
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>>17358702
jfl falling for youtube cobbler propaganda
I wear all my timbs for years until I get bored and then I give them away because they're still in great condition
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>>17362392
no pics?
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>>17358716
that literally never happens
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>>17362367
But that is a good fit.
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>>17362371
>>17362381
Vibergs are whites are hipster trash. all you need are a pair of justins
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>>17362343
hes intentionally beating on them
thats not how a shoe looks after 1 month
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>>17362394
>chinkshit literally never falls apart
okay bugman
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>>17362406
seethe and cope cobbler
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i got a pair of bnwb vibergs for cheap, the leather is "sweet potato suede" and in the pictures it looked brown, then in reality they were pink... do the saphir teinture francaise dye works well? I´m debating if i should dye them, i would even go and paint them green but i dont know if it would react well with the color that is already there, anyone has experience with dyeing suede?

they are really well built, the quality is really there, a leather counter instead of leatherboard is a huge difference, stitchdown feels solid and the absence of c*rk is noticeable

but the damn color, man... i was not expecting that :/
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>>17362386
They're definitely the right size in terms of length but I'm still getting a bit of heel slip after 5 wears
Maybe they aren't broken in yet, I've never had boots with leather this thick before
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>>17362411
>'cobbler' as an insult
>in a boot thread
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>>17362417
have you tried heel pads? saphir makes thin straps from suede, it gets rid of the heel slip
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>>17362416
Do they look like this?
That's def pink

I don't know if suede can be recolored, maybe it's safer to take them to a cobbler
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>>17362418
it's an obsolete profession, like blacksmith
so they're trying to spread propaganda that factories in China and Vietnam can't make boots. The same propaganda was tried with electronics decades ago but it turns out high quality products can be made anywhere.

Now go back to your mountain cabin and cry that no one needs your cobbling services.
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>>17362401
>>17362353
The rubber outsole is really soft, it's very possible that the stitches wear out in a month of wear.
My Dr Soles are pretty hard, and the stitching was kind of getting worn through after a few weeks too.
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>>17362438
Are you implying that I should send my boots back to the factory to be resoled?
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>>17362445
No, just junk them a buy new ones for $150
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>>17362447
Cute.
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bootbros, what are the best leather slippers for wearing around the house? i'm looking to get comfy in style
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>>17362448
>resoling boots
>treating boots like some family heirloom
>treating boots like a 1963 corvette

it's just stitched leather, getting so attached to it that you'd passionately defend one type of stitching over another is ... fetishism. It's sick. Get help. (I don't mean go to a cobbler, I mean go to a psychiatrist)
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>>17358189
>>17358189
asdasd
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>>17362426
yes, but it was advertised as this, it was misleading :/

suede can be recolored, should be easier than smooth leather, there are lots of videos on youtube but i´m worried it would react differently given that pink base color
and my local cobblers are the worst you can imagine, i sent one a pair of beat up boots for a repaint and they completely fucked them up, i ended up throwing them away
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>>17362463
Can you not return them?

Anyway, recoloring them might be a cool project
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>>17362456
agree
it´s consumerism, brainwashed by the media to think shoes should be precious, shoes are just that...
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>>17362416
>i was not expecting that :/
desu this >>17362426 perfectly matches a sweet potato
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>>17362467
sadly no the store doesn't accept returns :(
i got them for 499 usd online and it was a final sale

i might as well dye them, i´ll have to do some testing first, but wanted to ask if anyone has experience doing that and could give an advise
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>>17362341
Opinions on Oak Street Bootmakers...?

Pretty cheap with the sale, and free worldwide shipping. Made in USA. Seems like a good deal?
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Bought a pair for $100
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>>17362480
very crude boots
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>>17362480
based, based, so fucking based
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>>17362479
>Opinions on Oak Street Bootmakers...?
fine but overpriced though thast not an issue with the sale
they look more like old school military boots than most service boots
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Who makes the best duck boots nowadays? Quoddy?
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I'm reading online that if you lose weight your feet can shrink by almost a full size
I can understand width, but length? How does that work
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>>17358189
I'm going to grab a pair of RM Williams Chelsea boots today. They'll be my first pair. I know their chestnut craftsman would be a safe bet for your first pair, but I find them incredibly cliche - I see everyone wearing them. Instead, I was thinking of getting the Chinchilla boot in either Bordeaux or cognac. Would you say this is a good choice? I want them to be versatile (go with anything) and a good first pair of RM Williams.
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>>17362509
Well the color that goes well with everything is dark brown. And dark green but that's another story.

Medium and light browns can work well with light color trousers too.
Bordeaux goes well with many things in theory but in practice you may feel it's too much and never wear it.
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>>17362474
Just wear them and apply the saphir suede renovateur spray in dark brown occasionally. It will slowly darken them slightly and get rid of some of the pink tones.
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>>17362441
It’s not as soft or as bad as people claim. This pair is several years old and looks to be in better condition than Rose Anvil’s. For being such a leather and boot expert you’d think he’d take better care of his footwear. He doesn’t use shoe trees or have any sort of conditioning/care regiment. I guess since he doesn’t have to spend your his own money on boots to “review” he has mo incentive to care for them. That or he is just lazy which is the case with most normies who buy gyw footwear. They assume “quality” or expensive materials means that they don’t have to maintain anything.
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>>17362189
>elastic
>good workboot
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>>17362371
>Are Viberg's worth it to that extent?
as an owner of both, no.
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>>17362542
Do they have the foam underneath the tip?
Also, if those are several years old, they're most definitely office boots.
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>>17362489
Thank you
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>>17362553
Yes. I don’t wear the toe on my boots like Rose Anvil does. Some office wear but they’re my usual good weather go-to boots so mostly in-town wear. Sidewalks, cobble stone, dirt walking trails/light hikes. If I’m going to go on a serious hike or go through mud I’ll grab a different pair. I don’t expect Alden to perform as well as an actual hiking boot for hiking just like I don’t expect Whites to look good in a suit. However most people don’t understand this and think Alden and Whites share the same market just because a few hipsters on leddit larp in “work wear”
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>>17362535
sounds like a good idea, i´ll do that and if it ends up staining them badly i´ll be able to dye them without fear, i just used a little bit and it´s barely noticeable but did darkened them a little
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>>17362576
>I don’t expect Alden to perform as well as an actual hiking boot
Problem is they're the Indiana Jones boot lol.
They used to be made extremely well with all top quality materials, but not anymore.
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>>17362582
>Problem is they're the Indiana Jones boot
because the actor liked them
alden never marketed them as explorer boots
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>>17362605
They were built much better back then, they were tough as nails. Pretty much like Vibergs are today.
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>>17362605
next you'll be telling me Mauser C96 doesn't fire blaster bolts
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>>17362582
Indiana jones is a movie. If you basing how something should perform off fiction then you’re retarded and only buying them to larp but even then you’re forgetting your larping as a professor larping as an adventurer. The boots Alden (and even UK brands) sell are intended for normal wear (eg walking) while offering additional protection should one encounter water, snow, dirt, etc during the day. They are to get you through adverse conditions not stay in them to do “work” day after day.
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>>17362614
They were built much better back then, with better materials. They were just a lot tougher.
Also, remember than Alden themselves market them as the "Indy".
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>>17362610
They were built the same with leatherboard (just like Florsheim, J&M, Bostonian, and every other American manufacturer did at the time). The only difference is the vintage pairs had a duck canvas lining instead of leather which one could argue is lesser quality.
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>>17362610
Viberg is a fashion brand bro. They’re not work boots even though their good quality.
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>>17362617
>>17362622
>better materials

You’ve been lied to. The only thing vintage pairs do better is stitch density (sometimes)
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>>17362632
i hate the high spi meme

YOU'RE LITERALLY PUNCHING MORE HOLES IN THE LEATHER HOW CAN THAT BE GOOD FOR ANYTHING
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>>17358189
i bought these boots (eytys michigan) in 42 (27.8cm)

my feet are around 26cm so there’s around a 2cm gap.

are these too big? should i size down to a 41 (27.2cm)?
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>>17362638
Which Nicks model is that?
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>>17362638
what the fuck is that last, that shape
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>>17362644
what do you mean? i like the shape

>>17362642
eytys michigan. they’re my first pair of boots and i’m not sure if 2cm at the front is too much
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/btg/'s thoughts on Tecovas?
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>>17362654
Don't worry about it. Retards here have only one types of boots they like: brown work boots with a goodyear blimp or whatever. They all wear the same shit and think they're fashionable but they're all fashion cowards and they all look the same. The boots you chose are a fashion statement, that statement presumably being look at my massive boots!
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>>17362662
i have 5 pairs of their boots, a couple belts, and a wallet.
very comfortable. no break-in period.
they look as good in person as they do in their photos, maybe even better.
quality control seems great. customer service is top notch.
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>>17362622
>>17362625
>>17362632
It's simply retarded to charge that much money for shoes riddled with leatherboard, a split leather insole, etc.
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>>17362671
thank you! so i’m guessing 2cm is okay for boots?

and yeah they’re a statement piece, i’ve ordered a 2nd hand pair of solovairs for normal use but i really do like the sole on them
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>>17362632
>>17362622
Source that Alden were using leatherboard for midsoles and heelstacks back then?
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out of the box, gonna exchange them lol
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>>17362741
whomst made these
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>>17362770
vibergs lmao
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>>17362771
even the brogues are shocked
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>>17362770
They are viberg, I love the color, pic doesnt do it justice but this shit isn't acceptable to me.
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>>17362778
Is it brown CXL?
CXL is notorious for dick veins but that's not acceptable imo
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>>17362780
nope, my CXL vibergs are flawless. Its whiskey regency calf.
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>>17362735
https://vcleat.com/alden-for-robert-kirk-ptb-restore/

Leatherboard and fiberboard was more common in vintage American shoes than you think. Why waste leather on on parts that are meant to be regularly replaced? The America brands that are considered heritage/luxury now were just normal shoe brands back then. Nobody gave a shit about leatherboard until redditors started kvetching because they have to have the most overbuilt boot will the best/most unique materials to show off and one up each other.
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>>17361822
No doubt EB is quite good, but in case you didn't know most Indonesian bookmakers do apron toe boots similar to the indy.
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>>17362549
Yes Weston, that is elastic on a work boot.
For other proof, look at Blundstone. They are an acceptable work boot, even if they have moved manufacturing to SEAnigger land.

Not everything needs to be built to your autistic PNW standards because 99% of working men aren't worried about their boots getting set on fire.
You weren't even in a hotshot crew. You did one summer in a fire crew and act like everyone needs Whites on at all times or they're going to die. Fuck off, clown.
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>>17362662
The Cartwright is built on canvas, the Doc and the Prescott are built on leather with a channel cut.
Don't buy the Cartright unless you're only going to wear it at the office.

If you want a work boot, buy Justins.
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>stitch density on a wedge sole
what is he smoking?
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>workboots neet a secure fit around the ankle
>elastic can do so
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https://youtu.be/VM0LGNdC4Y4?list=TLPQMjYxMTIwMjI2c_LI9ako6g&t=397
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>>17362796
>Nobody gave a shit about leatherboard
Maybe up north, but down here anything other than a full leather heel and a leather rand is a sure sign of a shit boot.
That said, we do rely on our heels in a way no one else does. You can get away with it if you walk, but if you ride you can't.
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>>17363237
You're right. Everyone should always wear 10" lace-to-toe boots. You might have tiny girl ankles and fall out of your boot while standing on your level cement shop floor.

Fuck you Weston.
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>>17363221
>>17362662
back from previous thread, think i'm going to pull the trigger on a pair. which kind is best,any recommendations? I'm looking at "the earl" right now. I have a wide foot.



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