Natural colours editionWhat do I need to care for my boots?>Old cotton t shirt (one for cleaning, another for applying conditioners)>Horsehair brush ($10-15)>Wooden shoe trees ($10-15)>Light conditioner like Lexol/Bick4>Heavy conditioner (if you live in terrible snow/rain areas) Sno seal/Obernauf LPHow do I deal with x stain?>mud: allow it to dry then brush off>salt: water and cloth as soon as possible>saturated wet: allow the boot to dry for a full day, stuff with newspaper>scuffs and scratches: buff vigorously with horsehair brushPrevious: >>16743203
Should I cop these instead of the ones in OP?
Reminder to never give solovair money.
>>16750903>>16750963They're both hideous.
Reminder that docs are shit
sent my solovairs back and bought paramemes, sized down a whole size and they fit perfectly.
I want new boots for $350 but I cant find anything I like
need some basic chelseas and can get a (very) good deal on these. loake 290s. y/n.
>>16751100Shiny black seems very dressy to me.
>>16751085notempted to do one of the $250 mto options but john does refuses to take multiple pictures of a style and ha e a dogshit website and the others come from Indonesia. not racist it's just far away
>>16751102i wouldn't mind them for that t bh.been looking for photos of them in the wild and the coating does seem to dull a bit. mirror-like when new and/or polished though
post masculine chelseas.are there any like blundstone 550's but slightly more sleek?
>>16751110If you like the look, then Loake's is top-tier in terms of construction so you should definitely go for it if you're getting a good deal.
>>16751163the deal's good, but i am questioning the shininess a bit now. ta for the thoughts.
>>16751173This really is pure personal preference, I'm a matte brown leather guy through and through.
>boots are taking 10 weeks to be made
>>16751158In all seriousness, Solovair dealer boots. I returned Blundstones and bought them because they can be more easily dressed up.
>>16751105I don't understand. Those are made in Spain.
>>16751349>buy a pair of boots now>get it just in time for summer
>>16751453the other big mto brands are Indonesian wasnt John doe Mexican or am I confusing it with another
God fucking damnit I hate living near the equator. Bought some amazing reverse calf leather combat boots and I got to wear them 3 times last year. This winter was even warmer. Like I was gonna wear them today and got sweaty just putting them on.
>>16751495I'm near the equator and wear boots every daystop being a bitch
>>16751509ur mom's waistline don't count, skippy
>>16751509yeah boots is whatever but combat boots is different. going to wear MMM zip boots
>>16751525>but combat boots is differentunless you did something spectacularly retarded like getting some with a wool/ fur lining then nostop being a bitch
>>16751528>>16751533yeah just relax buddy
>>16751469Not surprising. The boots I posted are Idrese. I ordered a pair. Realized they might not arrive in time for an event. Contacted their customer support who said their normal timeline was 3-4 weeks just for production and maybe a little longer because of logistics issues and the holidays. I told him about the event and he pushed me to the front of the line at no charge. DHL had them to me a week later. I've been very happy with the quality and they're breaking in nicely.
>>16751554>just relaxI am relaxedwhy would I not beI'm just saying I wore combat boots out in the hot sun on a bike for yearsyou'll manage
>>16751565that highlights my issues with a lot of the myo brands beautiful dress shoes but the lasts make bad bootshonestly how does whites do it with the mp
>>16751540That's just what I keep reading.Like here: https://stridewise.com/whites-vs-viberg-boots/#Whites_vs_Viberg_Finishing_and_Quality_Control
>>16751585And much of what that article says is reflect in the proofs.For instance, the article says "The stitchdown flange of the vamp is trimmed with a flick of the wrist, and it shows".Pic from a /boot general/ from early December corroborates that.>>16674886
>>16751585>>16751596>get an extra nice trim for an additional $300nah no thanks, Whites are right
>>16751574They definitely had a peculiar fit out of the box, sloppy in parts and snug in others but it's resolving itself. Getting to the point where I could wear them without laces comfortably. A lot of creasing around the ankles but I'll use some conditioner and see if I can't soften those up a bit.
>>16751158INB4 screeching pissy anti-Tims shills yelling "nigger" over and over.
rare fatboy mp>>16751621>anti-Tims shillsif they'd just Blake or Blake rapid thier boots would be goodpremium originals are still solid beaters. the nubuck upper is durable enough and when it shits the bed you should have a cobbler reconstruct it with a leather midsole and blake rapid a outsole to it
>>16751606lol that heel
>>16751688he's not fat, just chonky
the shipper fucked me againthe shipper fucked me againthe shipper fucked me againAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHJ
>driftwood kudu last pair sitting for days>decide to order>input link on shippers site>items with an option on the page need manual review>within 10 mins it bounces back as sold out>confused, go to the site>now has a sold out banner, both sizes now show sold out when selectedthe fucks at the company bough it out from under methe timing is too perfect. the only explanation other than that is that parkhurst only updated the site after the attempt but that's unlikely becuse there were literally only two(2) pairs on offerit's not a hot commodity either becuse they had ridgeways which seem to scare everyone awayit's too coincidentalby allah I hope these infidels know justice for this act
>>16750903>>16750963pls tell me this isn't for men
>>16752263For me it's horsebutt
>>16751978stop seducing your maleman
>>16751621Nigger bootsGonna go jogging soon
>>16751978Nobody cares fucking loser this isn't your blog
>>16752328i hope they get lost in shipping you unscrupulous dog
Unfortunately, nobody can stop me from wearing cowboy boots everywhere I go. Who else /cowboy/ here?
>>16752404I have a pair of cheap ones somewhere. I haven't worn them in over a decade at this point.
>>16752404Looks like dry bar of milk chocolate
>>16752404>square toedoof dadcore to the max
>>16752404I like ropers
>>16752443cowboy boots always look exceptionally low quality
https://instagram.com/goodyearweltmemesWhich one of you owns this account? Kek
>>16752496lelpost the virgin v chadi dont have an account
>>16752496>instagrama homosexual no doubt
>>16752404I'm Asian and I can't Kenichi Smith enough to wear cowboy boots. Shame too, I use to get a ton of discount with Western wear brands when I worked at Cabela's. Lucchese was like 40 or 50% off. Now the only brand that has cowboy boots that I get discount on is Ariat. Doesn't seem right to wear cowboy boots made in China. (And I ain't just shitting on the made in China either, since I love my Grant Stones)
>>16752404>AriatsWho are you fucking tonight, your mom or your sister?
>>16752574Wear the hat first and the boots will come naturally
>>16752496 He should post this
>>16752901>cannot delete a post this oldI didn't even notice I posted in the wrong thread...
>>16752901it describes some of the wait times anons are experiencing
>>16751495just fucking wear them fagggot
>>16753076This, it was 115 here last summer and I still wore my boots
>>16751495If you said that on a ranch you'd probably get buck broken. Pussy.
id the sharkskin john doe owner here?considering going john doe but want to hear more about the quality and see more pics to get a better look at how thier last looks
UK based here: are "DR marterns" for kids? all the promo pics seem to be with 20year old delinquents
In UK, I want some boots to wear all the time with chinos/jeans. Which ones?https://www.loake.com/product/sedbergh-dark-brown-grain/orhttps://www.loake.com/product/roehampton-dark-brown/
>have weird ass feet>looking at bespoke optionsIt seems like there are really only two options>Dubious meme options>5k price entry
>>16753899Their historical punk association means they get marketed towards alt kids. If you like the shoes anyway you should get Solovair instead. They are made in the original factory that Docs used to be made in before they shipped production out to Thailand and they generally better quality. They have a shank in the midsole as well so they're better for your feet too.
>>16753974I would probably go with the second one because i think it is more versatile but really it's down to preference.
>>16754016>If you like the shoes anyway you should get Solovair instead[bulgarian screaming]
>>16753899trash boots for trashy people
>>16754016>>16753899>Boomers hate everyone under 75 so much they won't buy shoes advertised with typical-aged models.Jesus fuck you people are insane.
>>16751041Iron Rangers are on sale at Nordstrom.
>>16754049>t. Whites shill
>>16754024Thanks, it's the sole isn't it? To be honest I don't want to go into snow with them since they get ruined, I have some shitty timberlands if I travel where there's snow. I'm also leaning on the second link.
>>16754016>like the shoes anyway you should get Solovair insteadKill yourself shill. No, he shouldn't.
>>16754110>shillthere are no shills for shoe companies in a thread that get 50 viewers or less. If he's in UK he can see them in person
>>16750903holy fucking based id on op's pic related?
>>16754016yeah Solovair looks much better and more genuine instead of that instagram/mall crap from martens
>>16754110I have worn both and Solovairs are literally better, it's just a fact. Docs have no rigid support like a real boot should so the sole just sags over time putting a lot of strain on the foot. Not worth it for some yellow stitching and worse leather.
>>16754112Only a shill would recommend solovair.
>>16754125Solovair look literally identically instagramy/mall crappy.>>16754128>are literally better, it's just a factCan't imagine what docs are if literal pic related is better than anything.
>>16754129They're just relatively cheap but pretty well made GYW shoes in a popular style, it's not that deep lmao.
>>16754134>pretty well madeproof?
>>16754128This person is a liar. Hey since this always happens go ahead and find me a picture of an old pair of Docs with the sole "sagged". Shouldn't be hard to do since it always happens.
>>16754136But nooo anon, he's totally not a shill. Please trust him, he said so!
>>16754056hey what can i say, Whites is right
>>16754136idk what to tell you, you can bend docs in half at the arch because it's just rubber. People don't put shanks in boots for no reason.
>>16754131>haha it's just a bad pair bro>it happens just get a replacement>I PROMISE I'm not a shill>don't get a full refund please :):):)
>>16754135>>16754160my pair were fine. You guys just turned hating a brand into a religion. Get a life
>>16754135No-one's saying they're Whites quality or anything, but for sub £200 they're pretty solid boots, plus they're the main good option if you like the DM style.
>we've been making shoes for 140 years>we promise they're good!>we totally didn't send you another trash pair, because that's the general quality of all our stock>uhh muh batches and shieeet, not like you requested a size up s a replacement, which might be from a different batch anyways>did I mention how good our boots are but we still didn't bother getting a pair from the millions good batches we have available?>please accept this discount with your next purchase>totally not asking you to give us more money and get us rid of our literal garbage dogshit stock that probably gets returned all the time>did I mention our boots have rigid support unlike Docs?Literally fuck you and eat shit.
>>16754163>le works on my machine>>16754170>they're pretty solid bootsYeah I can tell. Two times in a row. You sure proved me wrong anon. Glad I could trust you. Why would you lie on the internet after all?
>>16754160i still cant help but laugh at how bad the misalignment is on that onethe laces going across look like theyre going up an eylet
>>16754171>please accept this discount with your next purchasedid they not take the second pair back?
>>16754129what you guys don't get is that people want the English designs and Solovair is the best way to get that. Boots are part of your outfit but it seems like people in this general only care about specs. Soulless
>>16754178I didn't bother requesting, and they didn't even offer regardless. I'm just not gonna waste more of my time with these retards and either wait three months for a refund, or receive some bullshit excuse like uhhh the paper in the box was torn, so we can't refund you sorry. Already had this happen to me when buying car parts from the UK before. British people are just cancer.>>16754177Probably nobody would notice this if I don't point it out. Anyone ever wonder why they're so wide in the mid section? Have you noticed any solovair pair looking like that when worn on the internet? No you haven't. There's so much extra material in the tongue piece, I literally have to force it and fold it like an autist to keep the tongue in the position you see it at, which is still way to the side. If I walk around for a couple of minutes it goes even more to the right. Literally impossible to keep it anywhere in the middle, and even if you tried it will kill your feet regardless, because the bunched up hard leather is pressing against your fucking foot.>>16754185>Solovair is the best way to get thatYes it really is. Not like I made 10 posts showing you that you're wrong, but you just have to be some retarded NPC and still repeat what's on your mind like a broken record. And you tell me you're not a shill? If you're not shilling then you're literally retarded. Sorry to say. From this point on anyone in here that buys solovair gets what they deserve. You've seen the reality of it.
>>16754189>From this point on anyone in here that buys solovair gets what they deserveI bought Solovairs with no issues. Stay mad forever
>>16754189>they didn't even offerdesu the boots are bad but this is worseits extremely noticeable when laced and would look even more off with traditional criss cross lacing. the discount is a slap in the face because why would someone buy from you again at that point
>>16754156>Immediately abandons the "sagging sole" claim when asked for evidence. Yep. Knew it. So all the other shoes, including every athletic shoe ever made, without a shank are all wrong, right? Despite what Rose Anvil might claim, a shank only becomes really relevant when you're going up and down ladders on a regular basis. Most of the rest of the time the entire weight of your foot isn't under your arch. Just like an athletic shoe, for most people who aren't working construction and using ladders 8 hours a day, having the ability to move and flex along with the way the shape of the foot distorts under use is going to be more helpful than having the rigidity of a shank.
>>16754195>would look even more off with traditional criss cross lacingI thought that would make it looks less noticeable, but I haven't bothered taking them out of the box to try. I just want to vomit every time I think about them.
>muh rigidityDon't even pretend like your soloshitters would last more than a few years, even if they were stitched together properly, unlike mine. The only benefit of getting solos over docks would be bragging on the internet about it like some smug bitch, as if that means anything. Solovair shills are literally the vegans of the boot world. Hurr durr look at me and my green tab. Shut the fuck up.
>>16754197>So all the other shoes, including every athletic shoe ever made, without a shank are all wrong, right?no because they dont have a separate heel. you can also skip the shank on wedge soles and many manufactures do. i know red wing doesn't bother with a shank for wedges>>16754199>I thought that would make it looks less noticeableto me its worse because of the steep angles youd get
>>16754230>no because they dont have a separate heelThis has absolutely fuck-all to do with what I said, or with shank usage in general.
>>16754236it actually does you just dont understand
Damn, I want a pair of these so bad
>>16754238what size Duracell is that?
>>16754011White's do not start at 5k
>>16751110what green jacket is that guy wearing?
>>16753899Docs are mainly marketed towards teenagers, women and urban youths in general. Long gone are the days when police/military types wore them. They're now only seen as boots for wannabe edgy types
>>16754160>>16754131Thursday Boots tier kek
>>16754197If I still had my old 1461s I'd show you but I threw them out because they made my plantar fasciitis flare up even with my insoles. Got Solos instead and the issue disappeared completely, every podiatrist I've asked about it says that you want rigidity for proper support and that's been borne out in my experience.>the ability to move and flex along with the way the shape of the foot distortsExactly, you want the shoe to bend at the ball because that's where the foot bends. That's one reason why non-wedge sole boots have a shank.I'm about to polish them now so here's a pic if you need proof of purchase.
>>16754171Something like this happened when I ordered Aldens. The first pair they sent me had laughably bad QC, no shoe bags, nothing in the box. It's almost like they wanted to get rid of it from their warehouse and they hoped I would be too naïve to care. But when I told them they should be ashamed of themselves for sending me a pair that bad the replacement had shoe bags, a shoe horn, all the literature and care instructions (a small thing but it's a nice touch), etc. I think a lot of companies just try to get rid of their bad stock and since they can't carry the defected shoes in their stores because people can see them in person, they always send them in the online orders and assume people will be too lazy to deal with exchanges/returns and just grit their teeth and keep them. For what it's worth, my replacement pair had defects too (glove lining not sewed in very well, missed stitches everywhere, crooked tongue)
>>16754236It's relevant because if you have a separate heel then the only thing supporting th midsection of your foot is the shoe itself as opposed to the ground in the case of the heel and the ball. That's why you want some extra rigidity so you have uniform support.
Why is a crooked tongue so common on boots? I own multiple pairs with crooked tongues and Solovair anon complains about them and I have seen so many reviews with it from various brandsIs it really that hard to just sew something in with a straight line?
Doc martens have 0 arch support.
>>16754349their target demographic doesn't care about that at all and doesn't even know what a shank is
i need a shank bros...
>>16754295>I'd prove it but uhhh uhhhhShut the fuck up.>>16754318>so common on bootsStop damage controlling you shill. It's not common at all. Only soloshit has this issue.
>>16754536Image still seething about this
>>16754536Fuck off I have two pairs of 500+ dollar boots with crooked tongues
>>16754295>>16754303>>16754349>>16754374>>16754467These are all literally the talking points from the Rose Anvil video on boot shanks, with the exception of >muh plantar fascitis. which I already addressed in my prior post. Docs are designed to be more akin to an athletic shoe, comfortable and flexible. If you are looking for something to go up and down ladders with, where the entire weight of your frame will rest right on the arch, then yes you should pick a different type of boot, one that has a shank. Most people aren't construction workers or firefighters and won't be climbing ladders all day. Your weight (assuming your feet aren't fucked up) shouldn't be on the arch, it should be on the fore and heel of your foot. Don't want to listen to me, here, have another source. https://nicksboots. c 0m/blog/post/what-is-a-work-boot-shank/"Without a strong shank, the boot will flex far more than it should. In a pair of comfortable athletic shoes, this is desirable. The foot may need to flex for sports or workouts, depending on what you're doing, or you just might want a nice, light shoe that's comfortable to wear. However, if you're walking on concrete or uneven ground, or going up ladders all day you want the boot to be as rigid as possible. This provides shock protection so the bones of your feet aren't subject to excess vibration or abrasion. "
>>16754582>In a pair of comfortable athletic shoes, this is desirableyou workout in docs?>However, if you're walking on concretewhat most docs do all day
>>16754606No, I don't work out in Docs. That isn't the point. Most people wearing boots now are doing so for asthetic reasons, not because they're building skyscrapers. If you want a heavy work boot Docs aren't appropriate but most people don't need a heavy work boot.>walking on concrete/what most people do all dayYea, I know, but I never had a problem with Docs hurting my feet on concrete, either at work or shopping or concerts or whatever, and I've been wearing them for years now. YMMV I guess.
Boot is always the most autistic thread on /fa/ which is actually quite impressive desu
>>16754588you would probably accuse anyone who proves it of Chinese CGI Schizo
>>16754624>I neveroh so this whole thing is you feeling attacked
>>16754641>no proofThat's what I thought you filthy shill.
>>16754653you're the shill
>>16754644>oh so this whole thing is you feeling attackedOh noes you got me! It can't be that I was just tired of seeing bullshit! No, it was muh feelies!
>>16754658yeah youre upsetenjoy your boots or dont. i dont like how docs look so i dont care either way because i wouldn't buy them
>>16754536Here you got mate, I opened up paint and made this just for you.Inset in the upper left is a new pair of DM 1460s not being worn. The sole only touches the floor at the heel and the ball of the foot. The main upper image shows a pair with signs of heavy wear with a person standing in them, notice how the sole sags down so that it starts touching the ground around the arch area rather than the ball. The lower image is me standing in my solovair dealer boots which I've had for about a year, the sole still follows the proper profile and isn't sagging in the middle.Docs make my heel hurt, solos do not, this is a big reason why.
>>16754665>notice how the sole sags downIt literally doesn't though. Your picture shows the exact opposite.
>>16754582>more akin to an athletic shoe, comfortable and flexible.Right but athletic shoes aren't meant to have half the sole be literally in the air, that's why you need the shank to maintain that support because it's not touching the ground.
>>16754286>teenagers, women and urban youthsliterally the lowest of the low, the most manipulatable groups aroundand add niggers to that (also in the photos)
>>16754673not him but you're huffing massive copium right now. It's very obvious that the Doc soles sag. It honestly looks very painful
>>16754673You can see that the sole is curving in the middle when it should be remaining straight like in the product photo.
Solovairs have shanks though
>>16754681>It honestly looks very painfulIf you've got foot pain issues, it is! I couldn't walk for more than half an hour in my old docs one my pf started, can walk all day in solos.All I've ever been saying is that they have the same look but are better for your feet and don't cost that much more so it's a no brainer to get them over docs of that's the look you're after.
so boots seem like a total larp nowadays huh
>>16754681>One dude with a self-admitted structural issue with his foot says Dr. Martens make his feet hurt>That means I'm on copium and the shoes are shitI guess all the Docs fans like me are just walking around with severe foot pain all the time and refusing to admit it. Jesus fuck you shills are out of control.
>>16754737Foot wear with a heel needs a shank. If you disagree you're wrong
do you need to get a size larger to wear high insoles?
>>16754710Why? In what way? People will be wearing boots long after they wear fucking foam sneakers
>>16754290Thursdays are great.
>>16754290Thursday is better than Solovair
>>16754710what are we roleplaying as?
>>16754779>>16754781The hate for Thursdays really gives away a lot about the mentality of some of the posters here. They have a shank, they're goodyear welted, but they're sub-200 dollar shoes and the trust fund kids here hate anything that's under 500.
>>16754805I swear this general just mastubates over 3 brands and seethes at 3 others. The worst general on this board
>>16754805>>16754811Thursday is a neat boot with a modern aesthetic. I did grab Iron Rangers on sale a couple days ago, hoping the size is right.Fragrance forum is no picnic, either, btw…
>>16754655What am I shilling?
>>16754665Can you give me the source on that docs on feet image?
>>16754852you're paid by an organization that wants to damage Solovair's reputation
>>16754828I don't frequent fragrance much since I don't know much about it but I've found them to be helpful to beginners and not just recommend the most expensive shit.
>>16754864And the proof?
>>16754868it's in the pudding
>>16754868you haven't proved that I'm a shill. After you
>>16754872>no proof>yet againI have a reason to shit on soloshitters. What's your reason for damage controlling them? You're either a shill or a retard. Either way you're an L.
>>16754737All I've ever been saying is that Solos have advantages over docs while looking the same and costing not much more. In particular they are more supportive, evidenced for me personally by the fact that they don't excite my foot problem which is effectively a sensitivity to poor support. You might have more resilient feet than me and that's great for you but a more supportive shoe is gonna be better for your feet in the long run. I'm just recommending them as a good budget option based on my experience but you seem convinced that I'm some shill being paid to promote a brand in a thread with less than 50 posters. I just like the shoes lmao.>>16754858I just googled docs until I found an image of a worn in pair on feet. It's from this article.https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/30/are-things-going-wrong-with-the-uk-beloved-dr-martens-brand
>>16754877>I have a reason to shit on soloshitters.yeah cause you're getting paid to
>>16754886No, because they're shit and I know that for a fact from my own personal experience. Stay mad shill.
>>16754884>some articleLooks photoshopped for clickbait. Just saying. Is that the only example you have?
>>16754889I see your organization provided you with fake boots and fake emails for your propaganda
>>16754892>my organizationI'm not affiliated with solovair, so no. I paid for these.
>>16754891>Looks photoshopped for clickbaitCope
>>16754896no you didn't
>>16754914You weren’t here 3 weeks ago when he went off because of his order getting fucked up, again. They look like two right boots; I feel bad for the poor guy that got the two left boots. Anyhow, this aggressive defense of a corporation/company is either due to buyer’s remorse, ‘brand loyalty’, or you actually being a shill for Solovair, freaking out that you’ve already lost several hundred customers permanently thanks to your shitty products. Scummy practices will be observed, and will be noted for everyone to see. Fuck those that rip off their customers, they lose tenfold for every bad action.
>>16754197>without a shank are all wrongcorrect. you need a shank to bear load between the heel and the sole touching the ground. without the shank your foot bends in an unnatural way
>>16754911But it literally does. Why would I trust some journo?
>>16754582>Rose Anvilliterally who?
>>16754960>How does I googl>>16754956>I am right and all these shoe manufacturers are wrong everyone look at me I am very smart
>>16754985Any quality boot manufacturer will use shanks in footwear with a raised heel.
>>16754889Bro you are worried about garbage boots being garbage. I wouldn't wear combat boots that retail for less than $2k just being honest. Wore my Layer-0 calf leather boots today even though it got hot as fuck by noon.
>>16754998Crockett & Jones don't use shanks, guess they aren't a quality boot manufacturer either, right? Or could it be that boots that aren't intended for manual labor don't reall need them. Nah, you know everything.
>>16755084why lie, shill?
>>16755084>Crockett & Jones don't use shanksBlatant lie. What are you doing?
>>16755058Shut the fuck up retard.
>>16755162>buy shitty rubber boots>omggggg why are they shitttttttmaybe you'll figure it out in another 40 posts
I buyed a pair of iron rangers
>>16755169Who are you quoting?
>>16754673>>16754737>>16754858>>16754891>>16754958>>16754985>>16755084My man is posting through it
>>16755175BasedI literally just thinking how I haven't worn mine in a long time. They just get lost in the rotation and it's been snowing a lot and mine are from before they got the lug soles so I'd slip I enjoy them
would you wear it?
>>16755207the shape isnt bad but everything else is
>>16755207Maybe if I was both gay and retarded.
>>16754805i hate Thursday because the look bad
>>16754582this is so stupidYOUR ARCH DOES NOT MOVE. Period. The anatomy of the foot in no way flexes where your arch is. That is why shanks exist: to provide support for the one part of your foot that needs it mostathletic shoes being so flexible you can bend them in half is pure marketing BS to get you to believe that some cheap foam shoes are somehow "superior" because they are flexible, when the reality is they're just made of shitty cheap materials. I do not want my shoes to flex where my arch is.For my gym and running shoes I prefer Mizuno because of this exact reason, they are very stiff in the heel and arch. Stop falling for marketing bullshit to make you think garbage materials are desirable
>>16755429I love this image so much
>>16755438Even nike uses steel shanks on their actual running shoes.
>>16753781They are size 12 E. The Milo last looked way too narrow for me. I just got the wide regular last.
https://eu.velasca.com/pages/laced-bootsAnyone heard of Velasca? They're a newer Italian brand that does the direct to consumer business model so the prices are insane. Goodyear welted, all leather, really good prices. I see no catch besides them being so new there's not a lot of info and reviews of them floating around
>>16755512How do they taste anon?
>>16755532I was gonna buy from them but anon the bitch told me they're shit and to buy soloshitters instead. And I fell for it. They had good holiday discounts too.
>>16755532Cut out the middleman>cut out the middlemanCut out the middleman
>>16755558they're also rapid blake stitched which is why they cost what they do. i have no issue with rapid blake as it's easily resoleable
gonna start filtering the solovair shitter from now on. if your plan was to make everyone hate you and filter you so no one would ever see your worthless posts, it worked. congrats
>>16755532>direct to consumerit's the new advertising buzzword
>>16755216>>16755253What if it was in a more sensible configuration?
Any cheap alternative to the Stella McCartney boots
>>16755576you're the one literally driving people to filter your posts because you won't fuck off
>>16755605it's true though. paying for stores and staff and overhead is expensive and those costs get added to the costs of goods sold and other manufacturing costs. by going the e-commerce route and just selling directly you can cut out all those costs and still be profitable, allowing you to have lower pricessame way vertically integrated companies that own their own tanneries and things are able to have lower costs
>>16755705they become the middle man idiot
>>16755706but it's way cheaper to do it yourself in-house, dumbass. you are not shipping inventory to a seller, who then has to raise the price to make their own profitobviously someone is still the actual party selling the goods to the consumer, but it's way cheaper to do it yourselfyou are pretending that direct to consumer either isn't a real thing or it doesn't actually cut costs, both of which are incorrect
>>16755713it's a marketing gimmick that a lot of low quality manufacturers do, like thursdays>really guys trust us, it's a 500 dollar boot, but without the middle man it's a 200 dollar boot
>>16755713Cut out the middleman>cut out the middlemanCut out the middleman>cut out the middleman
>>16755722Yes, some use it as a gimmick but that does not mean the direct-to-consumer model inherently creates inferior products, you dumbfuck.
>>16755722all i'm saying is that it DOES cut costs. whether the company chooses to pass the savings on to the consumer is up to them, but the direct to consumer method is a real thingAll Thursday or Velasca is doing is charging a realistic price for what they offer. Viberg does not cost 1k because they are worth 1k. They charge 1k because the tag on the tongue says "Viberg". Aldens are not worth 600 dollars but they cost 600 dollars because they say "Alden" on them. Most boots are wildly overpriced and honestly a scam, so when you see a company offering fair prices, everyone just assumes they're low quality
>>16755734>velasca: inferior>thursdays: inferiorname 1 dtc that doesn't produce inferior boots
>>16755748Velasca is made in Italy by Italians. The reason they're cheaper is because they are blake stitched, very common in Italian brandsThursday is a brand that outsources production to Mexico and is all made by Mexicans for their cheap laborThey are not the same. I don't even care about Velasca, I was just using them as an example. Their GYW line which is small has prices you'd expect for GYW. they cost the same as my Cheaneys and my Cheaney are excellent
>x brand is inferior because i say so really tired of this shit every single thread
>X brand is good because it's all i can affordReally sick of seeing this every thread
>>16755768if a boot/shoe is 1) made with full grain leather uppers, 2) leather insole and 3) is goodyear welted or blake/rapid blake stitched 4) in a competent way without defects or flaws then who gives a shit how much it costs? if it checks all those boxes and costs 100 dollars then it is as good as a boot that ticks the same boxes and costs 500 dollars. only real difference is the name on the labelbrands may use fiberboard midsoles and heel stacks and wood or fiberglass shanks, and those are factors that need to be accounted for, but if a brand is using all leather and steel shanks, then price is arbitrarygrant stone uses all leather, steel shanks and even uses leather heel counters, but they're made in china. does made in china make them inferior than aldens that cost double but have worse QC and uses fiberboard midsoles and heel stacks?i would rather have a grant stone product than an alden product not because they're cheaper, or that i can't afford alden, but because grant stone makes objectively a superior productprice is a meme and you know it
>>16755774>if it checks all those boxes and costs 100 dollars then it is as good as a boot that ticks the same boxes and costs 500 dollars. only real difference is the name on the label>as goodYour metrics for 'good' are limited to build quality and not build shape, material used, and aesthetics. No offense but I wouldn't wear $100 boots nor would I wear $500 boots. Maybe $500 boots in 2012 but those same boots cost $2,500 now.
>>16755774Even if a boot has all the right features in theory (no fiberboard, good leather, good shank, etc.) there can still be pretty massive differences.The stitching (how many rows, how tightly, how well-aligned, how competently, ...), the clicking (difference between utter shit and god-tier, even with the exact same leather), etc.
hi /btg/any tips on how to salvage this?
>>16755867Buy new boots. If you want to avoid that then get some in full grain leather and care for them properly. If you like the DM style then consider Solovair, they're better for the price you pay (made in England, better leather, Goodyear welt, shank etc) despite what the SoloSchizo in this thread bleats about.
balenciaga made some heat recently
Would it be crazy to buy the whites hiker?
>>16756135If you use them mostly on hard surfaces, you're gonna burn through those soles pretty quickly and need a resole prematurely.
>>16755512do they not stich the outsole?i dont mind if they dont because it makes it easier for shitty cobblers to resole because they dont fuck with the weltany issues with quality/leather?
>>16755702nope sry if you want to be a techno goth stripper you gotta pay
Just ordered some Frye Bowery Mocs. What am I in for?
rider boot co.'s dundalks is the only good boot I can think of which has no shank (not even a wooden one, it's mysterious because they still feel quite sturdy under my foot). other than that, every boot should probably have a shank>>16755512I think I'll get some john doe eventually, though I'm not sure if I want Milo or not. their regular last still looks not shabby at all. I can't really think of 3 makeups from them that I really want, though, so maybe I'll just get a gift for someone. >>16755632I might. I'm kind of coming around on moc-toes, at least when they're not comical like RWs. those actually look surprisingly nice, anon, they're yuketen right? I might track down a pair and see if I like them in other pics>>16755867there are some waxes and things you can try to use to 'fill' a cut in leather for aesthetic purposes, but the damage to the grain is permanent. >>16756239frye leather quality is usually low, doesn't feel nice whenever I find some and touch it with my hand. quality probably depends on whichever factory actually made it
What is the euro/australian model number for the australian blundstone 600s? i can only find this model on the aussie site.
>>16755757>didn't name a single brandconcession accepted
>>16755867throw it in the trash>>16756309yuketen yeah, there's a ton of them on the secondary market if you're not squeamish
>>16755704Why would I be the one to fuck off? If you don't like discussion about boots in the boot thread and it triggers you this much that you're trying to filter words that give you PTSD, then go back to your own website. Seems like 4chan isn't the place for you.
just not sure about john doeso tempting though
>>16756154they stitch the midsole and then glue the outsole
>>16756580fine with that desu becuse thats somethingthat can be repaired at home while the upper separating from the sole like on a cemented tends to be much harder to fix neatlyi just cant find a lot of good pictures and its making it hard to visualize what i would ask them to make
>>16755532I have a pair of derbies from them, they make really good dress shoes.
>>16756589best not to go overly ambitious for your first pair since you don't even know if their lasts will fit your foot
>>16756592desu i wanted to splurge and do the 3x2 but im still not 100% clear on how it works someone here said you just add 3 to the cart and it would show the price for 2was thinking a navy horsehide but not sure of the style, blacked out black shark Chelsea and some flavor of brown 420if i couldnt get the 3x2 id probably do a black shark 420
How are these soles from lactae hevea? Would they hold up on boots or are they super soft gummy rubber?
following up with that anon's post from earlier, there are a few things that i see making a good shoe:1-construction, GYW is king but blake stitch is fine for certain shoes2-real leather, meaning footbed, midsole and heel stack. no foam, fiberboard, Texon or sythetic materials3-leather, from a reputable tannery. if a company doesn't say what tannery they use, they're probably hiding something4-competantly clicked, parts of the hide not suitable for use are discarded5-details, these include stitches per inch, no plastic heel counters, double stitching on toe caps, etc.6-craftsmen, are they built by skilled people who know what they're doing or outsourced for the cheap labor by people that don't care about attention to detail2 things that i think are overstated are country of origin and shanks. if a brand checks all the above boxes, where it's made is irrelevant. see the grant stone example. GS makes a better product than Alden or Allen Edmonds despite being made in China because it checks all the other boxes. another is shanks. wood shanks break but even top brands like C&J use them, pretty sure JM Weston uses wood and Edward Green. what's more important is that they are used at allif a brand checks all these boxes then the price is irrelevant. the higher price does not always mean better quality and after a certain point (roughly 500 dollar range) you are paying for a name. Edward Green (non bespoke, their regular line) costing 1000 dollars is overpriced. you are not getting more shoe for the money than a brand like Carmina or Crockett and Jones. you can watch youtube videos of them being made and they use the exact same construction processes. Grant Stone uses leather heel counters and steel shanks, something unheard of in their price range. price is really arbitrary
>>16756688>GYW is kinglolno. handsewn stitchdown is king
>>16756689stitchdown is a meme and you know it. otherwise more brands would do it
>>16756691other brands don't do it because they literally do not have the expertise to do it and cannot do ithttps://youtu.be/XwDZjO__B4A?t=121
>>16756688>the higher price does not always mean better quality and after a certain point (roughly 500 dollar range) you are paying for a nameas I already explained I am paying for a boot shape, with specific materials to that shape, and your autistic "its only good if..." rarely applies when I am going for a look instead of craftmanship details to brag about. You really think I give a fuck about the durability of the stitching? that's like being into a lambo for the engine instead of the body. when you buy a lambo you want to look cool. ferrari is for speed.
>>16752404NGL, ever since I took the slip on boot-pill I've been eyeballing these come Summer.
>>16756696>last boot>flip out upper>stitch to midsole>stich outsolei don't get it. literally seems easier than GYW which requires attaching a gemming and sewing through the insole/upper/welt and then sewing the sole to the welt
>>16754271https://www.styleforum.net/threads/here-and-now.666169/page-6#post-10255527doesn't say. post wasn't from too long ago though, so you could probably just ask him.
>>16756718keyword here is handsewn. with GYW you use a machine to glue the gemming to the insole and fill the cavity with c*rkhandsewn is when you carve a rib out of the insole by hand then saddle stitch by hand. it requires higher skilled labour than GYW
>>16756718>>16756741Can you secure a (full leather) midsole with GYW?Pic related.
>>16756718>seems easier than GYWit likely is and is why clarks does it over weltedreally once you stich the upper to something below youre set. the issue with most shoes is the upper separating from the sole
>>16756718>>16756741>>16756753Compare with a stitchdown.Here you can clearly see how the top of the shoe is secured to the midsole with stitching separately from the outer stitch that you tend to wear out as the outsole wears.
>>16756741>use a machine to glue the gemming to the insolenot always. many places do it by hand as you get a better position and shape>handsewn is when you carve a rib out of the insoleyou're mixing up your terminology, friend. you're thinking of handwelted. handsewn just means doing by hand instead of using a machineand whites doesn't really do handwelted. they don't carve a holdfast into the insole. they just cut an opening in it and sew through it. it's not the same and if anything it's just a lazy way of doing it
>>16756753no the height difference created by the gemming needs to be filled with c*rk. handsewn stitchdown does not have the same problem>>16756762>whites doesn't really do handwelted*blocks your path*
>>16756753>Can you secure a (full leather) midsole with GYW?if you wanted to but it would be chunky because youd still need the cork to fill the voidjust use a wide welt, stich to the mid then do a second row for the outsole
>>16756768>>16756767Then I fully understand why stitchdown is considered more suitable for hardcore workboots than GYW: the simple fact that you can easily add a full leather midsole.
>>16755429whats the boot on the left?
>>16756825>the simple fact that you can easily add a full leather midsoleplenty of welted shoes have a leather midsole but youll still get the corkprety much any welted wedge sole is going to be stitched to a leather mid with the outsole glued onyoull even see this with regular soles on the cheaper endthe only real difference is the leather under the already leather insolethat might make a difference in something like a smokejumper but the importance of it in your average service boot is overblown[redwings is stingy as fuck with cork and has no bearing on this discussion]
I just got my first pair of proper higher quality boots and was wondering about storage.Can I store them lying sideways or would that ruin them long term?I have basically no space in my shitty dorm room so all my other shoes are all stored in plastic shoe boxes under my bed, but boots are obviously too tall for that
https://www.johndoeshoes.com/horween-boundary-footwear/tempted to get a 420 in this for a totalynotcinamonwaxedmps look
>>16755706Bullshit. If Nordstrom sells your stuff, they get a piece of the action—they distribute but don’t craft it, you are the idiot.
>>16755722Stupid person. Common Projects is the same shoe as Italic. One is $440, the other $100. Show me the leather and video of Pinochio’s father crafting the Common Projects by candlelight, numbnuts.
>>16755723Wish they’d cut you out.
>>16756860>plenty of welted shoes have a leather midsoleBut it's not going to be attached by stitch?
>>16756860>prety much any welted wedge sole is going to be stitched to a leather midThese pics all show it stitched to the insole, not the midsole.
>>16756860>>16757105Pretty hard to even see how one would add a midsole to the stitch path.Seems to be when compared to this: >>16756760that a double-row stitchdown allows for a purely leather construction, with the midsole solidly secured to the rest of the shoe by means of a stitch, so if the outer rapid stitch wears out with the sole, the rest of the shoe is still held together with string.
>>16757096nigga i just explained how theyre stiched on>>16757105ok, and?life isnt that one diagram>>16757113>Pretty hard to even see how one would add a midsole to the stitch pathbruv....its not rocket sciencethe mid becomes the bottom of the stiched section and the fat wedge gets cemented onhttps://youtu.be/yKM3QDFcAyY?list=TLPQMTUwMTIwMjID9asE1e4vnQ&t=1251here's straightwise getting his boots done that wayinb4 someone insists its not a midsole or some other nonsense
>>16757137That's a really thin and flimsy midsole. It's really more of a little divider layer since you can't glue the outsole to cork anyway.I guess you can't really use thick, heavy-duty leather since you're coming in at such an angle.This supports my point that stitchdown allows for a solid leather construction (without the need for filler like cork) that's still maximally stitched.All with the same overall sole height since the thickness of the filler is simply replaced with leather.
>>16757187>since you're coming in at such an angle.With the stitch I mean.
>>16756915I like the way the Russet Horsehide looks on the 420
>>16757187>inb4 someone insists its not a midsole or some other nonsense:>That's a really thin and flimsy midsole. It's really more of a little divider layer since you can't glue the outsole to cork anywaycouldnt help yourself>I guess you can't really use thick, heavy-duty leather"New BuildThe new build focuses on enhanced breath-ability and shock absorption in a more natural way. The below are features/changes made for this model as well as others coming out:1. Thicker, unlined upper leathers and 2/3 gusset tongue.2. Vegetable tanned bends leather insoles - considered to be the gold standard of insoles due to their moisture wicking properties, ease of use and longevity.3. Thicker bends leather, outsole-grade midsoles for enhanced natural shock absorption." - parkhurstliterally using thick ass outsole grade leather in the midsole. they stich through the outsole too your desperately trying to argue stichdown is better when its just another way of doing things especially when talking about the type of boots people discuss herenobody is coming here to discuss lineman's boots or whateverhas this all just been corkbaiting?
>>16755867you will need: acetone, leather filler, black leather paint, 500 and 1000 grit sandpaper, and leather oil. remove wax and polish from immediate area with acetone,sand down the surface, apply leather filler and scrape it level with metal butterknife or something, place near heat or use hairdryer until solidified, repeat until level, sand the surface smooth, dab a little black leather paint and spread it around with a cloth and not a brush so you dont get marks, wait until dry than repeat until satisfied, apply leather oil generously and massage it in. Than you can either polish it with shoe polish or the spraycan kind.This is what i did to mine and they are holding up, will not look exactly like new, but it will be functional and ppl don't notice.
>>16757277and do this all while there is a shoetree in you get in all the crevices
>>16757218>couldnt help yourselfAnon, look at the thing. > literally using thick ass outsole grade leather in the midsoleIf they’re using the same thickness of leather for the midsole as Wesco, Whites, Nicks, … then the overall sole height will be taller due to the simple fact that GYW requires vertical ribs on the insole.Plus I truly doubt that a goodyear stitch can cross a truly thick midsole at that near-horizontal angle.There’s really no need to get this angry, my point is simply that stitchdown is better for full-leather sole construction in hardcore workboots.For regular boots, GYW is more than sturdy enough for most people, plus GYW is much neater since the sole doesn’t have to project far enough to accommodate two rows of stitching.
>>16757291>I truly doubt that a goodyear stitch can cross a truly thick midsolehonesty what are you on aboutfor the wedge they just do thisfor regular you just stich through the outsole tooi think youre thinking of something more convoluted because youre insistent the leather needs to be directly under the insole. welted shoes will always have cork or something else to fill the void and thats fine>then the overall sole height will be taller due to the simple fact that GYW requires vertical ribs on the insole>>16756768said that at the start>my point is simply that stitchdown is better for full-leather sole construction in hardcore workboots>>16756860i said thats likely true here but its basically irrelevant for whats discussed hereyou also dont have to do double row stitching for stitchdown. whites doesnt do it on the mpeverything has benefits and drawbacks dependent on the use case. if actual woorkboots having a leather midsole is probably better is what you want to hear then here it is but that really want the point of contention unless youre a forest firefighter or something
>>16750963Nah, the harness version looks weird in that tan/natural finish. Op pic looks better, if you're not willing to change the finish color.
ngl i probably dont even want new boots i just need the dopamine hit
>>16755058based>>16755084cringe>>16755162poor cringe>>16755320based>>16755702looks steve madden / zara tier>>16756688>gyw is kingkek>>16756718kek x2>>16756741based again
>>16757405incredibly bad post
>>16757604how about you suck my balls bruvwho the fuck are you?
Can anyone ID these?ALDO brand, bought 6ish years ago
>visit brother in college in new brunswick>go to have a drink at a bar waiting for him>three huge guys tell me "nice boots cowboy">the moment I leave they drag me away and beat the shit out of me>hospital bill is 40 grand
>>16758158still haven't found out huh
>>16758279Could have just said Rutgers instead of New Brunswick
>>16758279nice try chud, health care is free in canada
>>16757332>honesty what are you on about>for the wedge they just do thisYeah but then your entire outsole is merely glued on with zero stitching, and you have a whole extra height layer with the ribs/filler.>said that at the startThen we're in agreement.I kind of struggled to find the basic advantage of stitchdown over GYW/handwelt, but now I get it: stitchdown allows for a completely solid leather sandwich while GYW/handwelt will always "lose" vertical space (and a bit of absolute solidity) due to the requirement for ribbing and thus filler.>but its basically irrelevant for whats discussed hereAnon, this specific discussion is all about hardcore workboots: >>16756825
>>16752404Personally not a fan of the sqaure toe, but its always good to see someone else in cowboy boots
>>16758409fool me twice, corkbaiter
>>16758786You have mental problems. And I'm not kidding.
>>16758792maybe if they paid you to stich instead of type the lead time wouldn't be 5 months
>>16758887Digits: denied.Obsess some more about cork on your own please.
>>16758967seeI knew that's what you were trying to do
>>16759027I was trying to discuss the merits of shoe construction methods.
RIP in piss boot gen
Anyone knows boots like these without the shitty UK flag?
>>16758279>Things that never happenedNobody ever commented on my boots when I was in new Brunswick