Taking questions regarding the art of painting your house or whatever.I have a 3.5 year education in this trade (journeymans letter) and 13 years of experience. I will try to answer as much as i can, when i have the time.Ask your answers
>>2707104>I have a 3.5 year education in this trade (journeymans letter) and 13 years of experienceprove that this was not a waste of time by telling us when and when not to ask for a shot of black.
>>2707111All white paint should be toned in one way or another. Clean white doesnt cover shit.No exceptions. S0500N still appears white
explain to my brother why matte paint is for retards
>>2707132Very much depends what you are painting and why. Matte paint is less durable/washable. Higher gloss means every tiny flaw will be visible, and also looks like shit if you paint entire rooms with it.
>>2707104If you don’t have access to paint wholesalers would you get the $10 or $20 or $50 bucket of interior paint
>>2707104I have a wooden cabinet that has been waxed,I want to paint it.How do I remove the wax? or can I just paint over it?
>>2707104How do I fix a landlord special paint job that may or may not have lead paint in the caked on layers?My bathroom must have an 1/8in of paint in some places and it looks horrible. I’ve considered throwing that citrus paint stripper on the wall and just taking down a lot of it like that and redoing it starting with a kilz layer and then some form of warm white. But I don’t know if it’d even work.
>>2707146Cheap paint is usually shit.>>2707147Wash it and sand it, the wax is in the fibers. I would probably run a cloth with turpentine over it aswell. Also primer first.>>2707148Im not entirely sure what you are asking, but if theres lead in it, it usually wrinkles. Alternatively, just plaster the fucking wall and even it out like that. Lead isnt harmful as long as you are not touching or breathing it. Or you can strip it down if you want. Doesnt really matter, but if you strip it down and theres lead in it make sure to wear gloves and preferably a mask to minimize exposure. Not that you will get cancer or anything, that would take years of high exposure.
>>2707104Favorite brush brand(s)? Any way to prep a brush to eliminate most of the loose hairs?
>>2707166Flügger or guld(((berg))). They dont have loose hairs, but i would just pull them out. Alternatively you can wash it and shake out most of the water, that makes it easier to clean later, but only if you are using water based paint, oil wont stick to a wet brush.
>>2707166For rollers i stick tape around a door knob or some shit and roll on the sticky side before using it
>>2707160> Cheap paint is usually shit.I figured but is premium stuff worth it? There’s like a 4x price difference between cheapest and most expensive. Same for rollers btw
>>2707300Honestly probably not worth it for most people who paint a couple of times during their life. But the expensive paint is absolutely worth it if you paint even a fair bit or really want a good resultIts especially worth it for outside paints and wet areas though.
>>2707111>>2707125Since the thread is silent ill add to this in case anyone ever gives a shit. All colors should be toned it one way or another, clean bright colors dont cover very well even in top of itself. The difference between a broken red/green/whatever and a toned one is 2 layers, or 6-8 (mailbox red especially terrible, and generally needs a corn yellow bottom layer to ever cover properly). The difference is visible to the eye but almost always in a positive way, bright clean colors are not very easy on the he eye and you will hate it over time if its on large surfaces. Broken/dimmed colors are basicly always easy on the eye and even if you dont particularly love the color you probably wont really hate it either.Some say you sleep better with yellow walls, i dont know about that because i sleep with my eyes closed. But dimmed earthly colors are almost always great in normal sides rooms, although i would always reccomend a matte while ceilling
>>2707104Is it okay to DIY remove lead paint?
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>>2707111> shot of black.Don’t shoot blacks. Especially if you are white. The blacks will riot and cause all kinds of damage and steal Nikes so they can eat. Oh, I’ve also heard they like to be called “African Americans” now. Not coon, jiggaboo, or porch monkey.
>>2707400I dont know if its legal, i guess that depends where you live.
>>2707400Normally to do it legally you need to do a wet removal, apply water when you sand/scrape and make sure all the shit is collected in some tray or in something that picks up all the contaminated water, since its now toxic waste. Just dont leave it in nature or in your living room. You can always go for the "i didnt know" approach i guess. As long as you dont breathe or touch lead its not going to kill you or anything, just wear a particle filter mask and some water proof gloves, and preferably a one time teletubbie suit you can throw out when youre done.You generally dont want to remove paint, especially if theres lead in it unless thats your only option
I honestly dont know if i can even bump my own thread. Regardless, i am still here to do my best to answer questions.Also if i answered someone and they didnt find it helpful ill do my best to elaborate. Have a nice Friday evening
>>2707413i absolutely hate people who sticker bomb their toolboxes but i really want a sticker of this
Most of the time your most primitive desires are not wrong. Brute force and sharp edges violence is a big part of my trade, the question is, is this needed, or the fastest way to complete my task? Much of the time yes, it is, professionally. For a home owner a very thorough job of restoring something like a door or a window can easily last 10 years, buying time to save up for replacing all of them.The primary "mistake", that also gives me a very lucrative living, is saving on the paint job(s)
>>2707132>explain to my brother why matte paint is for retardsI have matte on the walls in my office.I have flat black on the walls and ceiling of my theater.If I had little kids running around I'd stick with eggshell or shinier.But as long as you can trust that nobody is going to touch your walls, there's nothing wrong with matte paint. It's a good aesthetic. You just have to be careful with it.
>>2709210The largest beneficial part of painting anything outside, is that the sun breaks down the pigments before the underlying material, painting wooden windows once ever other year is cheaper than letting them rot and replacing them (atleast here, in by far most cases). Painting does not cure bad construction, or bad underlying materials.
if i really hate paint, how should i finish my interior walls?
Field any of these you want. I've never made color caulk but I guess I can just dump some of the paint in the back of a tube?When I use painters tape, it's not 100%. I try not to rely on the tape and go at the brush cuts with a dryer brush on the tape. If I hit the tape with a full brush I expect it to soak through and behind to make an ugly mess later. If I want absolute perfect tape lines, should I be clear caulking the edge after taping? If so how much does that need to harden before brushing? Is hardener the only thing making "cabinet paint" something special? Can I ever polish a non clear coat paint to a higher or lower gloss? Would a small airbrush be practical for tuning up high end furniture paint touch up? I mostly brush and roll, but I have an airless which is nice for stupid spray everything jobs. HVLP looks intimidating and expensive to me. I'd hate to drop a grand on a sprayer and have it die like cheap guns like to do. Do these quickly pay for themselves redoing kitchens? Can they spray auto? The shakers do pretty good, what am I missing?
Give us the quick and dirty.Outdoor paint, what buy, how many coats. I've been doing Primer + 2 coats of whatever sherwin williams has on sale for oil based and it looks ok.The all-in-one behr trim paint & primer kind of sucks on high wear surfaces. Any experience with this one?Why isn't there a 2 part paint for doors or fancy trim? Automobiles & boats have this, it takes just as long to finish a boat as a house so I'm curious why the industry doesn't bother. Surely there's a market?
>>2709319Using Kabric is a possibility. Overall its a shit product though. The process is basicly the same, so im not sure thats really doing you any favors.
>>2709358>I've never made color caulk but I guess I can just dump some of the paint in the back of a tube?i have no idea what this means.If you want perfect tape lines thats easy as piss, dont buy cheap tape. Paint the ceilling first and let it dry, put the tape at the desired location and use the ceilling color on the tape where you want the cut, let that dry, do it again if you are an autist like me (once is enough usually)The paint will run under the tape a little bit, this way you make the ceilling paint do that, so when you use the wall paint, it cant. This is how you make laser sharp edges with tape, its easy as fuck. I bet theres a quadrillion videos on YouTube
>>2709358Any paint that you have to add hardener into is either shit or epoxy (or worse) and not needed for a cabinet, just buy a decent acrylic paint and you are fine, using epoxy here is a mistake, its a good product but not for a cabinet. Most plastic paint are also fine for this.Dont polish paint, its not made for being polished, its created specifically to give that finished surface. If you want a retardedly high gloss surface use a polyester product.An airbrush is fine but you dont really need one. Using a foam roll will give you a surface that is almost as good. I dont personally ever spray almost anything unless i absolutely have to because it makes an enormous mess. Spraying it correctly gives a better surface but its not something i do. Also FOTM somehow is being able to see the that its painted with a brush. Simple process, also looks great if done correctly.
>>2709358Also on your last question, i dont know what any of that shit is. I painted 3 kitchens this week, walls, cabinets and all. I just use a brush and a roller for all of it. It basicly doesnt matter at all unless you are going to be sitting in a chair staring at it all day. You clearly want to use a roller that leaves a fine structure, not just the one you use on walls. As before, if you are an autist using a foam one is great. But i really think for the most part that its not important because you have other shit to do and wont be sitting around all day looking at it. You are never going to get a melanin finish anyway.
>>2707104OP,is it a bad idea to go ahead paint my interior rooms any colour i want.?in the Kitchen i want to paint it yellow with white trimdining area to be painted some kind of tangerine orange with a complimentary colour trimLiving room to be painted some kind of lighter, tangerine orange or a goldish yellow.bathroom to be painted a nice bright light ocean blueis this the kind of thing that makes other people cringe or rage?im just sick of so much of my interioir spaces being the default white or just the latest trendy bullshit.i want colours that hearken to nature and please my subconscious reptilian monkey brain.is this crazy or is this some kind of set of guidelines for this?
>>2709374>Outdoor paintId hate to give advice in a product ive never heard of, but that sounds fine. The protection is basicly the amount of pigment, but its also shit to paint too many times, generally paint until it covers, and never paint in direct sunlight. Oil based is best, its illegal here but its by far better. The molecules are smaller by far, so sometimes it doesnt look as good as plastic based shit. Also generally just use what was used prior. Using plastic on oil or vice versa can yield wacky results.High wear surfaces are usually kitchens or floors. For walls/ceillings the gloss is what you want, 20+ is European standard for these areas. Floors are trickier and almost always shit. But polyurethane or epoxy are best for each their own purposes. If you want a specific guide on this let me know and you will get one
>>2709374So for the 2 component paint you are looking at the properties of the paint. You want normal wall and ceilling paint, and basicly every other paint, to allow water vapor to escape. The vapor will always escape, if the paint doesnt allow this the vapor will peel off the paint. So thats why they use absolutely water proof shit on boats (they dont, i took a 6 month ground course for boat building). This is why using a 2 component floor paint (epoxy) is not always a great idea, if theres rising vapor it wont give a shit about the epoxy, it will just peel it off. This is also why they make different kinds of paint. You can use a normal wall paint on the outside of your house on a mineral surface, thats fine, it wont last long but thats it. If you use an outside paint inside you will give your wife and kids allergies and ruin their lives, because its full of shit that kills fungus and mold and all of that shit and that enters your system over time
>>2709374I think the best advice i can give you product wise is, dont be cheap, and ask the salesman for advice, they usually know whats what, even professionals rely on asking them, but visit Flügger or whomever you have that only sell paint, where ever the professionals buy their shit should be fine. But overall dont try to waterproof shit, its not good for you and also it want last. Dont use oil paint on a mineral surfaces, that makes soap (see fight club), and thats a fact. Also accept that theres a reason they make different kinds of paint. Its not for the looks, paint is created entirely to protect a surface and give it longevity, looks are second to that 100% of the time
>>2709484>Most plastic paint are also fine for this.The main difference between plastic and acrylic is that acrylic gets soft from heat, its better "working with" water, it can expand and subtract a little, plastic cannot at all and will crack and/or fall off
>>2709501I would stick to earth like colors. But your preference is entirely up to youRule of thumb: 5 cm2 of paper in a color is not the same as an entire wall in that color. The Russians did an experiment where they put people into a bright red room for days and they literally went insane. So rule of thumb 2: no bright colorsWorst case scenario you have to repaint it. Or move i guess.I always strictly reccomend pastel colors when im talking to costumers and nothing else unless they have a specific idea
>>2709501We deal with a lot of self proclaimed experts that somehow work regional jobs and get to decide colors. I dont even know how many times ive painted some shit orange or pink only come back a week later to repaint it white or some sand-ish color. Which is fine, more work for me, but people are truly retarded sometimes lol. One particular lady changed her mind 6 times regarding the color of her kitchen, eventually her husband told her to fuck off and we settled on white
>>2709508Rule of thumb 3: light color expand the room, dark colors make it smaller. This is also why you generally always want a white ceilling, even if you want a color on the walls. Never put a color on the ceilling unless you have a very specific reason to do so (music studio/Russian scientist/lab/generally bad person)
>>2709511thanks for the replies. good info. I am wanting colours to make my rooms feel natural, but comforting, inspiring and healing.like how some colours make a person feel safe or relaxed, or inspired.thats what i want. colours that my brain will react with in good ways. white walls and ceiling feel cold and sterile so much its disturbing and unsettling to me.but i don't want dark colours because i find those to be depressing in a way, and difficult for lighting.i want bright, light colours, but natural colours that look and feel like outside
>>2709513These are all "dimmed" colors. Some of them are terrible imo, but you get the idea
>>2709513I personally have this on one wall in my living room, and a lighter green on the other 3 walls. Basicly only works because theres alot of light in there and because i have a bright orange painting on the darker wall
>>2709516Well, almost that, more dimmed.
>>2709514thanks>>2709516nice. i like that.right now my house actually some earthy tone colour walls in the dining and living room areas, which i like. some rooms are still all white though and that's what i want to change first.I friend of mine once had their living room walls painted purple. sounds wild but it was actually pretty comfy I thought.
>>2709518I dont think purple is necessarily bad. It depends alot on the furniture, natural light and other shit like paintings and what not
>>2709518When we learn about colors they are in a circle, and theres such a thing as "complimentary color". Its the color directly opposite on the circle. So for Blue, the complimentary color is orange. Using up to 10% of the complimentary color looks good.
>>2709521yeah. I like rich colours like a Regal Blue or Royal Purple and so on. i think it's a treat to the senses and a vacation from the hum drum status quo colours.but i agree it seems like it's hard to do it right. (well, maybe not hard to do right, but easy to do wrong, lol.) it should not be too dark itself, and it shouldn't make the space too dark. and it all needs to be complimentary with the right furniture and wall hangings, etc.
>>2709526I also like both S 0500N and S 2000NThose names are entirely product specific, we usually refer to color as for example Y7030R.You can use whatever color you want pretty much, as long as you like it and dont scare away your family
>>2709523thank you. im going to use this in my planning.I have a stairway that goes form the first-floor entry way area, to the second-floor bedrooms area. the stairway walls and ceiling are all plain white.my general schema is I'd like to make the walls some kind of golden orange or plain gold colour, and i want the ceiling to be a kind of sky blueso the space will be bright, colorful and cheerful i hope.and be a subtle hint of ascending to heavenly skies above.
>>2709529Ill guarantee you one thing, the more colorful it is, the weaker the surface. Especially dark colors like Bordeaux red for example is a great color, but if you touch it, it leaves a mark. Its the pigment that fucks it up. Flügger which is a world leading billion dollar company still cant solve this problem. Well they can, but its illegal for them to do so because it makes the paint toxic.
So, I've got this wall. Someone painted it black liek a chalkboard.its just some kind of black painted onto the white wall paint beneath.what's a good way (with minimal new paint layers) to obscure or "white-out" this black patch?eventually ill repaint all the walls in this room to some kind of earth tone, light-tan or light green.cover it with a specific type of primer?
>>2709540If its actual chalk its best to prime it. Otherwise just paint over it 2-3 times.
>>2709542This is nonsense. If its chalk, wash it off, if its a chalk board, wash it. My mistake. Some shit was lost in translation
>>2709511>Rule of thumb 3: light color expand the room, dark colors make it smaller.sorry, this is simplistic wannabe expert bullshit that everyone regurgitates without any thought, especially the part about white ceilings.
>>2709204They are on redbubble for $1.50
>>2707104I used to use polyurethane lacquer for wood but because I had to throw out the tools after every coat I tried water based acrylic instead. It seems okay but does it hold as well as PU for outdoors? And are water based polyurethanes any good?
>>2709780It’s proven to be the other way around, dark colors hide the corners and shadows better making the room appear larger
>>2709780Then im not sure i understand your question.>>2709788Polyurethane is fine indoors and outdoors, so is acrylic paint. Acrylic is better for living shit (wood) that expands with water vapor, polyurethane is generally better for shit that does not, like concrete or cement. Using polyurethane on wood is relatively new and im not sure how it behaves 10 years from now
>>2709790Wrong.nothing else to it.
>>2709792Plastic or acrylic on wood works. Polyurethane is also fine for now, in the future idk. Im not comfortable with predicting the future this way. They make polyurethane paint specifically for indoor wood, so i suppose thats fine but i cant tell
>>2709792>>2709810Thanks, makes a lot of sense. Though isn’t the point of PU to keep the water vapour out so that the wood won’t expand anymore? Also just remembered that wooden boats have been painted with PU for decades so guess it’ll be fineGuess I’ll stick with acrylic anyway since it’s cheaper and easier to handle, unless I need a really hard finish.
>>2709828Not really. Boats are generally "painted" with a polyester product. This is no not considered a paint at all. Polyurethane is not suited for boats as "paint". Polyester products are better
How do stop getting angry when painting? normally i'm pretty good with /diy/ stuff, but finish work, especially painting, is rage inducing
>>2709944Lol. Idk mate, i guess being angry is just part of painting. Im nearly always angry but i think thats because im at work
>>2709790Ill elaborate a little bit on this. Its true that dark colors will hide flaws, but thats like saying that i need to use dark colors because i do shit work. Alternatively, i can do good work and now i dont need to use dark colors at all unless i want to. The main problem with dark colors will be that theres alot of pigment in it, making it a shit surface See >>2709533The ground work is by far the most important thing about painting, its also by far the most time consuming part of it. Painting a wall takes like 5 minutes, but making sure the wall is ready for paint can take days, depending on how shitty it is to begin with.
>>2709828>Though isn’t the point of PU to keep the water vapour out so that the wood won’t expand anymore?This is completely unrealistic, wood is sort of a living material, it doesnt even need water to expand, cold and heat will do this aswell. Its best to simply accept this, most paint, especially acrylic ones, can perfectly well deal with moisture, absorb it and let it escape. This is generally not a problem. The problem is usually that, its soaked, or moisture is trapped. Any kind of water will always escape, if it has to kick off the paint it will 100% of the time, so its better to use a paint that is open for vapor. You only really want a paint that is closed for vapor in your bathroom, and maybe in your kitchen but thats primarily for the washability, unless you boil something 24/7.Obviously also if you operate like, a giant aquarium large enough to hold sharks or some shit like that.
>>2710029Also if you waterproof everything you will simply get mold. Humidity is not really your enemy unless you make it so. Its just part of the universe, its always going to be there, and its always going to do whatever it wants to do, theres no reason to fight it, its better to just accept it, simply because it doesnt give a fuck about what you want, is going to do its thing no matter what.
>>2709828Your real enemy here is actually UV light. Paint protects the subject in two ways basicly. It prevents it from being completely soaked every time it rains, thats fine, but also the pigment gets destroyed from the UV rays, which is also why paint will generally change color over time, because the UV light fucks with it. So if we say, your window is made of wood, the paint gets burned instead of the underlying wood, thats why you paint the window. And thats why you want to repaint it every couple of years, because if you dont the wood will be fucked by the UV light. And its generally cheaper to paint a window compared to buying and installing a new one. I hope this makes some kind of sense despite
>>2710032I actually have a very good example of this. Its something they used to do it Sweden. As we all know, people from Sweden are famously retarded, the only thing they are really any kind of decent at is making dirt roads, they absolutely excel at this, everything else they are really bad at pretty much. The closest translation of this kind of "paint" is sewagecolor. Its not really a paint at all, its basicly potato starch and a whole bunch of nonsense, no hardener, no binder, hence not really a paint at all. They basicly mixed a whole bunch of shit together and painted their houses with it. Every time it rained, which it does a fair amount of the time in Sweden, some of the sewage would wash right off. So they would have to repaint it yearly, some especially rainy years more than once. But it pretty much did the job, the UV light didnt fuck with the wood underneath, so that was fine. The moisture was not really a problem because wood has no problem absorbing and releasing it. As long as no kinds of mold or anything gets to the wood its perfectly fine absorbing and releasing moisture, and the sewage took care of the UV light so thats fine aswell. A very decent not very elegant way to deal with painting
>>2710035But this also has alot to do with the quality of the wood. When we look at wood fibers there are basicly two kinds, the kind that grows in the summer, and the kind that grows in the winter. Im going to use pine as an example here. If you take Danish pine (im Danish), they grow really fast and its quite possibly the worst quality of wood we have. If you take this pine a build a boat, its gonna either sink or rot away, almost as soon as it touches water. This is because the summer fibers make for low quality wood. If you take a pine tree from the northern part of Sweden or Norway, its going to be excellent wood, because its always winter there, so it grows very slowly and that produced very hard wooden fibers.
>>2710036This is pretty much univerally true. Trees that grow at a slower pace just make better wood. If you look at mahogany, or the Russian knockoff we call Siberian mahogany especially (its not mahogany) you can take that bitch and build a little bridge in salt water and it will pretty much last as long as you live, because the tree grows very slowly, so the fibers are top quality. If you instead use Danish pine its basicly gonna rot away before you make it to the beach to build that bridge in the first place. We have top quality oak in Denmark, everything else is pretty much shit or imported. Or spruce, we have relatively decent spruce. But any spruce grown north of us is better by default.
>>2710038Another thing regarding wood. If you strictly use wood from the core of a tree, it will last basicly forever. To this day when they tear down buildings they will salvage the windows if they are core wood. Some of the windows, especially in rich parts of Denmark, are several hundreds of years old, and they are perfectly fine, rock hard and very good quality. Absolutely top quality, today windows are either made of imported spruce or aluminium (or aluminum if you absolutely have to go there). And the spruce ones arent going to last long compared to core oak, even if the oak was cut down 200 years ago.Oak trees are based as fuck, they grow for 300 years, then they just sit around and live for 300 years, and then they casually die for 300 years. I grew up next to an oak plantation that the king ordered to be grown, only to build ships to raid sweden. But by the time the trees has reached a reasonable size, metal boats had taken the scene. So we have this beautiful oak plantation that just sits around and doesnt get fucked with. Some of the larger trees in the royal garden have been there for nearly a thousand years, which is fucking insane to think about.
We have some splashback tiles in our kitchen that we dislike but can’t afford to replace. Are tile paints worth anything or not?
>>2710044Yes they are fine, but its very important that you dont cheap out on this, otherwise it will just fall off. I would just ask the salesman about it, be explicit about what you are painting. Most of this kind of paint will be able to adhere very well to tiles, glass, wild animals, and everything else it comes into contact with. Keep in mind that it will stick to nearly everything. So cover shit in properly and dont spill or paint on shit you dont want to be painted, its very unlikely that you will be able to remove spills.
>>2710048Also its just the bottom layer that needs this paint. On top of that you can do pretty much whatever you want. For a kitchen i would reccomend gloss 20 - 30. Its vapor proof and will last forever, plus you will be able to wash it. Lower gloss not so much. Higher gloss is also fine but its just too much gloss imo
How often do you replace paint rollers? I did some painting and tried to wash all the paint off the roller and it took forever. And a few days later, it was still crusty and shitty when it was dry. Are you meant to just throw them away once you're finished painting?
>>2709504Shockingly good analysis, thank you for this anon, and for your other answers.
>>2707104Are you Jamaican and smoke weed at lunch? if not, I doubt your painting credentials.
>>2710103Well i paint alot, so they last a week tops. I never bother to wash them, i just use them until they die. Plus washing them is a bitch and take alot of time and water. They are not really that expensive anyway so i would probably just throw it away if i were you, you can save the handle though
>>2709358>>2709483You get a color catalog for OSI Quad (US) or Sika (EU). They make those tubes in a thousand colors other than black, white and clear.
>>2710732I Googles it. Painters here dont usually do that, thats an entirely different line of work if its not acrylic. My only comment is that paint doesnt adhere to silicone or rubber products. If you want a specific guide on how to correctly do this on a finished painted surface, im around, i can get a good finish but im not exactly an expert on this
>>2711464Theres not any point in withholding this when it comes to silicone or acrylic. For acrylic you just fill the crevice and let it dry, keep in mind acrylic (by European standards) sink 5%, if you dont paint it is going to turn yellow over time. We dont generally fuck with silicone, but keep in mind you cant paint it, but fill the crevice, spray water with one of those plant duster things and remove which is too much with a stick or whatever. With silicone, this is after painting. How much you use is generally up to you. Silicone generally shrink less than 1%,. Some people like it round, some like it sharp. But for a painters perspective keep in mind that we dont fuck with it unless we have to. If you have silicone all over the place, use whatever spray deals with rust and fly shit, use it 4-5 times.For painting your weakest link is you weakest layer. I can do everything correctly on top of a shitty bottom layer and i essentially wasted my time. The concepts of washing, sanding and priming exist for a reason. Some times some people skip a step or two (never skip sanding) but thats only because they dont care or are brought up wrong. You generally dont prime walls or ceillings in a non smoker home. Any wood is always sanded before you paint it. We spend 6 months both doing and learning this in Denmark before we ever paint a wall, unless we are from Copenhagen in which case gid gud
>REEEEEEEEEEHow to get rid of lap marks and stop from doing them in the future?How come my roller seems to hold no paint? can only get a one row down a third of the ceiling before it starts crinkling.How do professional painters not go fucking insane?>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>2711604Get a better roll for starters. Also, the end that is attached to the handle leaves a fat edge, the other side does not. So when you roll distribute the paint first, then roll the the free side "last" on the area, away from what you already painted. But really the difference between a good and a shit roller is massive. If my boss ever shows up with some shit i just throw it out and tell him its broken, and then i tell him what to buy. Rinse and repeat.I actually just generally throw out china-tools and tell them its broken. Good tools are like half the reason we are as fast as we are.
>>2711695The same thing goes for brushes really. If its too stiff it cant leave paint on the surface, if its too soft its shit for filling out crevices and making sharp edges. Both kinds are good for each their own thing. Good tools are nearly half the job, not really though, but with expertise they sort of are anyway. Oval shaped brushes are great for any kind of high end woodwork, but i cut in the edges with a stiffer round one first because its round so i can turn it with my fingers, making them especially really fucking overpowered on windows for example. I also think people generally just dont use enough paint, you want a decent fat layer of paint for coverage. Not so much it drips obviously, but you want to hit that sweet spot in between dry-rolling and drowning it, the best way to learn this is expertise i think so you are shit out of luck. Also, with a decent paint, that isnt some polack tier garbage, i almost always add a little water, 250ml for 10 liters of paint is enough to make it run further without losing coverage. This helps me paint an entire living room ceilling in 2-3 dips, but only do that if one layer wont cover in the first place.
>>2711702General rule of thump for Scandinavian standard is one liter of paint goes for 7.5 square meters. I easily use more paint than that for coverage. Paint is expensive as fuck, but so it shoulder surgery (its free actually but still), so paint shit fewer times is better IMO. Also out of nowhere, my method to figure out how much paint i need i always simply take the floor area times 2.5 (for normal 240cm height) and that gives you a rough average of the general square meters with walls included. Double that for painting it two times and divide it by 7 (m2 pr liter) and you know roughly how much paint you need.60m2 apartment60*2.5*2/7 gives you like 40 liters of paint. You usually end up a little short, which is fine because you can almost always thin it a little the first time and you wont have an extra bucket of waste, and you can always buy more.
>>2711705This is literally how i calculate how much i need when i price shit out for people. Its not perfect, but it saves 2 eternity instead of carefully measuring everything.Another rule of thumb, a course surface eats more paint than a slick, straight surface. Since a course surface is not even, its larger than the overall m2. I think this makes alot of sense if you think about it.
>>2711604You want the roll to like, roll freely on the surface. If it slides instead of rolling its too much, but if its sticky its too little. I dont know how else to explain it, its just one of those things you get a feeling for. Also if you apply too much in one area, rolling on top of it with a dry roll will remove paint and even it out.
>>2711710Dry roll meaning the one you are using, but before you re-dip.
>>2711604Also lap marks depend alot on the amount of gloss. Imagine the pigment as little tiles which they are. When you roll or brush in any direction you basicly flip the pigment in that direction. To get an even result you want to distribute the paint evenly and brush/roll in the same direction for the finish, this is usually only needed with gloss 20+ or darker colors because they include more pigment. But if you want to be a slippery cunt and do a perfect job, just roll a meter wide and go back and roll from top to bottom with a "dry" roller before you continue. You generally dont want to fuck with paint after it starts drying so dont go too wide.
>>2711714If you end up painting this kind of shit, the longest stretch decides the direction. Paint the shorter one first and make those stretches even, then cut over it while its wet and make that even. This goes for doors aswell and really any other shit that has multiple directions. The longer stretch is the "correct" direction for the finishing brush. If you start left, make the finishing brush left aswell so you can always brush left over your previous area
>>2711715I grabbed that picture off google but its dangerously similar to something i painted not long ago. Pic related
>>2711695>>2711710>>2711714thanks you Anon(s), I was raging at this job
>>2711742If you have any further questions just let me know
I think a flat, light gray ceiling looks good with gray walls. More cohesive than white. Although now I’m struggling to paint that huge area above my staircase, not sure how to cut in the corners without setting a ladder up on the stairs which I’d rather avoid
>>2711841I just lean it on that asshole. Alternatively you can get some guy to hold the bottom step with his hands while you climb it while its mid air, we do that sort of alot.Its that or a brush on an extender, if nothing fits just tape it there. Alot of people also just place the step ladder crooked on the stairs and place some plank there so its somewhat even. There are regular combo ladders, where you can adjust one sides height, and what we refer to as a German ladder where each leg can be adjusted. You can probably rent one for cheap at a hardware store if you dont want to risk your life.I usually get a regular combo ladder at work. But any of these methods are generally fine as long as you dont use a girl with MS to carry your weight.
>>2711849I mean you lean it on the wall and rest it on that asshole, if there a hole there its usually still fine because of the angle of the ladder. Just rent a combo ladder if you want to be sure. I personally dont do anything i regard as not safe, at all.
>>2711849Hey thanks much appreciated!
>>2710027It's not about hiding flaws, its about the psychological effects of absorbed and reflected light.When you consider examples of seemingly infinite space like a bottomless hole or a nighttime sky or the water in the deepest ocean, the one thing they all have in common is that they don't reflect light, they absorb it and appear black or as extremely dark shades of color that are almost black.This effect is commonly used in commercial spaces where ceilings are painted pure black to create the illusion of infinitely high ceilings. Think of a cavern...it's not light colored walls with a white ceiling reflecting light that make it appear "cavernous", it's the fact that light *doesn't* reflect back off those surfaces, which is read by the brain as a vast space.Lighting a darker colored space properly is important to achieve this effect and people often try to use highly reflective white and light colors as a fix for inadequate lighting. It might seem to help, but it's at the expense of making it readily apparrent that the wall and ceiling surfaces in a small room are closer to you.The same room painted a very dark color and lit to accommodate the absorptive nature of that dark shade will feel larger. Same for a room with low ceilings; a very dark or black color makes it recede visually and appear farther away.Farther away = more space.
>>2711856Fine but we are discussing painting. None of what you are talking about is a ven remotely realistic. Use matte black paint then i guess. Tapestry glue and black pigment gives you a perfectly fine, not at all washable matte finish. Now fuck off with your nonsense, you clearly have no fucking idea what you are talking about I can draw a ladder from here to the moon, that doesnt make it in any way realistic or reasonable. Fucking retard wannabe architect
>>2707104I have to pressure wash and paint the foundation of my house. Any tips? How long should it take?
>>2707397> Some say you sleep better with yellow wallExperiments show that pink and baby blue walls make you psychotic
I stripped the wallpaper off my living room walls so I can just paint the plaster underneath. If you paint new plaster, you need a mist coat (paint with lots of water added as an undercoat). But this plaster is probably 50 years old. Do I still need the undercoat?
>>2712070make sure you get all the glue off, otherwise use an oil based primer first
>>2712053Just make sure to get all fungus and shit removed, and dont blow the foundation up with the pressure washer.>>2712070The undercoat wont hurt. I would probably plaster it anyway, just a single think layer you can sand to make it completely even. How did you remove the wall paper. I disagree with the other anon about oil based primer. Its generally never required to be oil based. You basicly want to use a primer on porous surfaces. It prevents then from sucking all the water out of the paint, it also makes the surface tougher and makes the paint adhere properly.
>>2711862Everything I said was related to painting as it pertains to perception of space.I didn't say a fucking thing about architecture, you loon. Sorry your ass hurts so bad in the presence of facts like "bright colors give the illusion of being closer"...white is as bright as house paint gets, so explain how making a room's surfaces appear closer to the observer makes a room seem larger...???
>>2712164>>2712172My stance on oil based products is what it is since its basicly been illegal to use them here since 1994. There are still some oil based products i would use, metal primers or linseed oil paint for example. But generally water based is fine nowadays.
Since the Americans are sleeping and the thread is a little slow ill elaborate a little bit on oil vs water based paint. Oil based paints are great in that regard that nicotine, cooking grease/rust and most other shit wont run through the coating, with water based paints you have this issue and always need to wash and/or use special primers or other to stop this from happening. But oil molecules are very small, so you wont be able to close small holes/crevices with this paint. Water based paint is basicly plastic molecules im water, the molecules are large enough to get rid of most holes and crevices, especially after 2-3 layers of paint, this saves you some time. Also water based paint dries alot, lot lot faster. Sometimes it shit is tight we paint the same surface +4 times with a heater facing it. This is not at all possible with oil products, especially outdoors.Oil enters raw wood Infinity better than water based products, and protects better. But water based will give you a more even result. It probably wont last as long but it looks better. You generally dont want to use oil bottom layer/water based top or vice versa. Because they have different properties. Oil based paint doesnt have the ability to absorb and release water while water based does. Mixing gives you very confusing and not always very reliable results, but consistently bad results. Im not opposed to toxic paint entirely, but make sure to wear gloves and possibly a mask if indoors and over long periods. If anything carcinogenic is in it or like lead or some shit just stay away from it if entirely possible, theres no reason to fuck with this, just plaster or paint over it and call it a day, or remove the element entirely, its better to break down the entire wall that getting cancer to fuck with the toxic top layer, when the benefit is maybe a few weeks of work and you die 15 years earlier its not really worth it
>>2712374Also overall any water based products is pretty much easier to work with in general, it dries faster but its generally more forgiving when looking at the result. There are very few examples where i would recommend an oil based alternative, i cant really think of one right now, but i know they exist. Basicly most of the reason people use oil based products is because some or other grandfather used it once and it was pretty good. You can easily get better results with water based paints, plus you and your children wont get cancer for no reason, plus its cheaper, and easier to work with. Dries faster, so you can complete your diy quicker. It just piles up. Dont use oil based (which is always less healthy) unless you have a very good reason to do so. Theres just no good reason to insist its better, its almost never better
>>2712379I thought of one. If you paint high gloss wood work using a brush only, like>>2711716 those panels oil makes it easier because it doesnt dry as fast. But generally speaking i would still reccomend water based products nearly 99% of the time. Even on those panels. I guess oil is fine if you have a singular window that just has to last another eternity. I understand why using polyester products are needed in some areas (not related to painting at all) and i dont mind doing it provided i have all the shit i need like masks and ventilation and what not. I dont know about American or elsewhere really, but here anything with two components mixed together requires a special, very short education, which is safety only pretty much.In any normal home/building there is no reason to ever use oil based or two component based paints, in many cases water based is actually better, usually even when oil based are still decent, water based is better overall for the longevity, result and health.
>>2711716I aware that there are a multitude of flaws in this picture, many because its painted in a gloss 70. But primarily the Carpenters apprentice was allowed to make this, and we went no less than 60% over budget to even get that result. The primary issue was that every stick he nail-gunned on recieved 8 nails on the short ones, and 14+ on the vertical ones, nearly all of them destroyed the corner on the wood, so like 70% of the work was using acrylic plaster to restore a 2x2mm 90 degree angle. Which i doubt ill ever have the patience to ever do again. With any paint below gloss 40 this would not really have been as much of an issue
>>2707104If you have a dark color and you need to paint it white,Is it better to do multiple coats of primer and finish with your final coat of paint? Or do one coat or primer and do multiple coats of your final paint?
>>2712608You generally dont need primers just to repaint something. Thats a common misconception. You only need primers when you have troublesome areas, raw wood/alcaline surfaces ectGenerally to repaint a wall just buy whatever paint you desire and repaint it. If theres cooking grease and shit like that you might have to wash it or use a primer, but generally its not needed.
>>2712608If you absolutely insist on using a primer thats fine, its more expensive but it doesnt really hurt, doesnt really help you either though. One layer is more than enough. Multiple layers and you are basicly just allergic to money
>>2712608Also if i absolutely have to take a stance here, use the finishing coat atleast twice. Any little spot you miss will be visible when its dry, and you have to be a real special kind of talented to accidentally miss the same tiny spot twice. This is usually a dead giveaway that someone painted it only once even though they got payed for twice.
Surface prep. I paint mostly metal stuff but wood and plastic too, I tried to google what grit size to go to and ended up more confused
>>2712680Grit for sanding? I generally use 100 or 120. 80 if its really coarse and only finer for very high finish stuff
I bought a 8’ by 4’ plank of plywood at Home Depot and had them cut it down the middle for me so I could have a beer pong table (to place on top of a folding 2’ by 4’ table). I asked a random employee what a good primer was and they pointed to this one. What I didn’t mention is that I want to paint a simple design on top using acrylic paint. I already applied two coats of this stuff and covered the thing in painters tape. Am I an idiot? Is this okay paint to use for this purpose?
>>2714067Doesnt really matter. Also that one is water based. I would atleast prime both sides, even if one side is always down. Wood tends to do wonky stuff when only painted on one side. I also suspect that the able is gonna get wet some way or other, so priming both sides is best for sure. I would finish with some kind of blank paint for washability. If you already placed tape for decorations just finish that and give it a gloss 40 clear coat or something on top twice. That really does make a huge and difference when you wash it / wipe it off
>>2714266Thanks for your input I really have no experience with this kind of project. I did think to sand down the edges of it before I painted anything
>>2714314You should just sand lightly every time you paint anything wood inbetween coats. When wood fibers absorb water/moisture they expand and you get a rough surface. The amount is depending on the quality of the wood. Any kind of plywood is generally not actually considered wood, so it will be substantial. Also yes the edges. It takes maybe 5 minutes to apply a layer of anything on a table sized piece of wood. Its better to give 5 coats now than remake it later, if you are going to use it alot. The layer of paint is basicly what decides the durability/how disgusting it is because of washability. But the first coat is the most important, it improves its life 1000x, there are some serious diminishing returns here, the second layer probably doubles how often you can scrub it. Never mind what the bucket says, its better to chill and paint it once an hour for 6 hours straight semi drunk than it is to remake it every other week, which is basicly the alternative, because whatever boose/saliva/semen gets into the wood fibers basicly stay there when it comes to visibility. When i say paint or use primer, we use those interchangeably. Any coat is better than none, even if we are talking olive oil on raw wood its better than letting it sit natural. I have chopping boards that only ever saw olive oil, keeps the wood safe and doesnt get any chemicals into my family, thats perfectly fine, and faster than making new ones.
>>2714658By the way, if anyone decides to treat wood with olive oil, or pretty much any other kind of oil even if its paint related. Just do so with a cloth, apply a layer that leaves a little extra on top and remove that with a dry cloth after 10min and let it dry a little and repeat. Oil with no hardener doesnt actually dry, it just soaks in. Repeat until it stops soaking in, depending on the wood. Dont use oil on a mineral surface, that makes soap and that doesnt help you
>>2714665I did some work with a product called ovatrol, its basicly made to make wood keep its natural appearance and not rot in salt water combined with sunlight, because boats bop up and down. Long story short, those boats got run over 40 times in very thin layers to keep salt water from fucking with the wood, with cloths. Its not a very practical way of doing things with the underside of boats. Its also not very good for the environment to be honest. But atleast it lasted almost a year before they came back. Which is also an extremely short amount of time considering the cost. Some rich people just seem almost impossible allergic to to money
I want to paint my retro game room a warm red (like a maroon), and the wall behind the screens cracked pepper (black) to create a theater/arcade feel. Am I going to regret this? It's a square-ish 14x12 ft room. What's a better color scheme I can go with? Ideally I'd have something that goes with my blacklight and glow in the dark arcade rug. White is okay but I wanted to add some color so it's not as sterile (the entire house is white inside except for a single accent wall which looks great)
>>2714914I think i would personally like it, what i dislike is telling you how you would feel about it as its very personal. But it seems like a reasonable fit for the purpose. Worst case scenario is that you have to repaint it when you get tired of it
>>2711856white rooms feel bigger, this is 100% fact because i experienced it myself
I moved into a new apartment and I wanna remove some hinges from a doorframe to install a new interior door (there's no door at all).The existing hinges are totally caked in paint, like fucking 5 layers of the stuff.I tried rubbing a rag soaked in acetone on the hinges, but it took me about 30 minutes to get 2/6 screws loose doing that.Is there a better way to do this or no?
>>2717924Dull chisel, hammer.
>>2717927Ok. I was thinking I might damage something but it doesn't matter I guess.
>>2717924Op here. Blunt force trauma like anon suggested would be my go to aswell. Alternative drive a screwdriver into the screws with a hammer and remove them like that. Your best result is likely going to be an entire new door frame with door and thats cheaper than a custom made door for wonky size door frame. I replaced my bathroom door and frame and saved nearly 60% instead of getting a custom made one. Alternatively sand that shit down almost to clean wood and repaint it a couple of times for a really good result. That being said, older doors or frames (or anything really) with layers upon layers of old paint often times make an excellent result, its not going to look new but its not bad my any means imo. I find modern craftsmanship is often lackluster to say the least even when hiring supposed professionals. Fuck it even alot of the pollacks do a better job than the native Danes half of the time.
>>2717924Another good way is to use a heating gun to soften the layers of paint making it easier to scrape off without use of violence. The paint is not going to be based on acetone so thats the wrong chemical to use, but a chemical based way is not wrong. Im not sure if this translates correctly, but cellulose thinner usually destroys everything related to paint and also everything in direct vicinity, including your nerve system and lungs. So use at your own risk. We sometimes coat old shit in it and let it soak for few days and when we eventually scrape off paint it turns out theres practically only half a door left, the rest was plaster, paint and assorted acrylic materials. Its a fantastic way to either restore or completely ruin something.
