Sailing, but at what cost?
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>>2682289He ruined his life living in a cubicle till he was an old retired man.No amount of chasing youth will bring it back.>>2682292cagie wagie has a late life crisis and builds a shanty boat with his retirement money
>>2682296you sound like you were raised by a woman
>>2682298Women tell you to go to college and get a degree, then go work in a cubile making oracle databases
>>2682289What even happened after he sailed? Did it sink?
>>2682307He's played it safe and hasn't broken 5 knots. Still trying to rig the sails without tipping over
>>2682309I gotta give it to him, he got thag fucking deathtrap of a boat in the water and i swore up and down he would never reach that point!
Stockton Rush - Budget brand edition.
>>2682319Same here. Also GRRM got dance with dragons out before he died. I guess I keep underestimating these boomers.
>>2682305I wouldn't trust a woman with an Oracle database, though you can let them deal with the licensing
>>2682309He just had a serious event where his janky rigging let go and because he panicked the foresail wrapped around the mast, tore the sail and broke the yard. It was so fucked up he had to motor back to where he anchors and wait for the wind to die down just to get the sail down.After that he motored west 50 miles because of the hurricane coming his direction and his janky drivetrain spit out all the bearings in one of his overstressed U joints, and his clusterfuck shared lube/cooling system linking his motor, transfer case and variable pitch prop had to be disabled and a clip-on fan installed to blow on the transfer case until he conjures another brilliant "solution"
>>2682296>with his retirement moneyAnd a shit ton of free labor and donations all collected under the guise of creating a research vessel to be made available for free to deserving researchers.Also a tax exempt "foundation" to solicit funds to equip and operate it.Almost two years in the water now and he's still "learning to sail" but not in anything above 15 knots of wind, and all in protected water except for one or two short trips outside of Pensacola Bay just so he could say he sailed in the Gulf.No researchers are or will be coming, it's his retirement houseboat built and paid for by significant contributions from other people duped by his grandiose "vision".
>>2682433>After that he motored west 50 miles because of the hurricane coming his direction and his janky drivetrain spit out all the bearings in one of his overstressed U joints, and his clusterfuck shared lube/cooling system linking his motor, transfer case and variable pitch prop had to be disabled and a clip-on fan installed to blow on the transfer case until he conjures another brilliant "solution"This is a comedy.
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>>2682289oh look it's the "everyone suck dougs dick" thread or everyone hate doug thread. whatever fits your narrative.
>>2682445Does he not know what knots or splicing are?What a silly question to ask.
>>2682446Oh look, it's the sad Redditor who speaks in memes and can't get anyone to respond to him on "his" Seeker subreddit except to mock him, monitoring the internet for mentions of Doug so he can run interference for him and project about sucking his dick.
>>2682448He calls splices "braiding" but won't commit to them because he knows that nothing he builds is ever right or finished.
>>2682451I could understand using jubilee clips for a simple short term test rig to get the sizes right, but I presume that abomination is supposed to be permanent...
>Wants to sail>Refuses to learn how to work with rope
>>2682458>buying into the big rope conspiracy
>>2682439>And a shit ton of free labor and donations all collected under the guise of creating a research vessel to be made available for free to deserving researchers.Also a tax exempt "foundation" to solicit funds to equip and operate it.This. A SHIT TON of free labor, free materials. Thats what build his massive fucking hideous ship. Probably 75%. And then he did that 'epic prank' where he pretended to have died, and everyone was like fuck you Doug. And it became more so 'my boat' as opposed to 'our boat'
>>2682446Fair enough, but before sv seeker set out to sail there was a continuous thread on Doug and his deathtrap. Now that he's actually living in the seeker out in protected water I dont see why the threads ever stopped. We should be placing bets on how long he can survive in that metal shitboat before it sinks or catches on fire from hacky half assed literally everythingdag0a
>>2682289 (OP)>>2682439>>2682296>>>/kiwifarms/>>2682450pills
>>2682535The threads stopped because the obsessed fan boy you are talking to disrupted them with his transparent trolling and flooded them with shitty memes to drive them off the active catalog.It's a perfectly legitimate topic, more so than most here...never let picrel be forgotten
>>2682542Kiwifarms is a very nice place anon.
>>2682557then stay there
>>2682535It stopped because the mods got a little pissy. They're also really boring. We just summed up a year and half of his jijinks in a few posts. This would be awful as a daily thread
>>2682557am i missing something? kiwifarms got nuked right
@2682564>>2682572Nah, clearnet domain went down for about a week before it came back up under another domain.The onion link will never go down.kiwifarms.st
>>2682572Lol, no. It's been operating continuously on Tor and pops back up on the regular web all the time under different domain names whenever one gets siezed.There was one point where it had no regular domain name for a few weeks and I installed Tor Browser just so I could keep up on the latest internet drama nonsense. Haven't cared about finding the latest domain name since. I think the current one is kiwifarms dot st.
>>2682546I'm confused. Is there any body of water in Oklahoma worth getting a 74' sailboat wet in?
>>2682787He took it down the river to mississippi
Bump for Doug news, updates, screenshots, and lulz
>>2682307he's been swapping between two anchorages for the last year and his major accomplishments appear to be eating and alcoholism going off of how spherical he's become and the drunken slurring in his latest vids. He hasn't done any serious sailing and accidentally destroyed one of his sails last time he tried which means he's without a propulsion system since his rebuilt drivetrain killed itself during the trip from pensacola to alabama and back. It's clear he's planning on staying in pensacola and manufacturing excuses for why he can't go any further until the day he dies
>>2682535>I dont see why the threads ever stoppedThey stopped because once the boat was in the water he entered the following cycle>Find an anchorage>Sit there doing next to nothing uploading like one video a month drunkenly rambling about something he bought on amazon and doesn't understand>Get kicked out of the anchorage for pumping sewage overboard>Motor to the next anchorage and destroy the drivetrain in the process>RepeatThere hasn't been enough funny stuff to sustain a thread since he made it out of the Mississippi river
>>2682433You know what funny? I haven't followed him at all. I just made all that shit up and I was right.
>>2682853You're not fooling anyone Doug. Go double check for an oily sheen around your boat old man!
>You're not fooling anyone Doug. Go double check for an oily sheen around your boat old man!
>>2682935You will never force this shitty image
>>2682535I think most posters moved to REDDIT or Sailing Anarchy because they're better forums for this sort of slow roll content.
>>2682954They are only better because they are better moderated against the kinds of tactics Doug's most devoted cult members use to monkeywrench Seeker threads here the moment they begin...they literally CANNOT simply ignore them; it's an obsession.
>You will never force this shitty image
Can't worry about the sails if you can't see them.
>>2683150>"A boat came by..."No it did not Doug. That boat was several miles away at a private boat party with actual sailing vessels. You tried taking old man creep shots with your drone and got caught. Fuckin sick!
> I dont see why the threads ever stoppedMods I assume. I miss them.
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>>2683382Lol
Seeker is like a street rod. The fun was in building it. Now that it is complete, it needs to be sold to someone who "shares the dream" so another entertainment project can get underway.DIY should understand this
>>2683496>like a street rodLike the "street rod" in picrel that no sane person would get into, let alone purchase as if it could be made into a functional vehicle.Like picrel it will always be relevant as an example of monumental ignorance and pointless perserverence harnessed to waste both time and materials on an astounding scale.
>>2683512>as if it could be made into a functional vehicle.But it could. Remove all ballast and re-ballast after work. Discard all non-essential weight including figurines, flourishes, false brackets, internal finishes, keepsakes, machine tools, and side bumpers. Replace all glass with polycarbonate. Discard masts, sails, and riggings. This saves additional weight. Seeker can’t sail now due to mismanagement and will never sail well as a junk with split keels. Discard adjustable propeller and install a fixed propeller. Discard all adjustable propeller support equipment. Discard bus transmission and install a marine gear with a 1.5:1 ratio. Discard transmission cooling equipment and fluids. Pressure test fuel tanks to 5 psi for one hour. A passing test is 4.5 psi or more remaining after one hour.
>>2683514>But it could. Remove all ballast and re-ballast after work. Discard all non-essential weight including figurines, flourishes, false brackets, internal finishes, keepsakes, machine tools, and side bumpers. Replace all glass with polycarbonate. Discard masts, sails, and riggings. This saves additional weight. Seeker can’t sail now due to mismanagement and will never sail well as a junk with split keels. Discard adjustable propeller and install a fixed propeller. Discard all adjustable propeller support equipment. Discard bus transmission and install a marine gear with a 1.5:1 ratio. Discard transmission cooling equipment and fluids. Pressure test fuel tanks to 5 psi for one hour. A passing test is 4.5 psi or more remaining after one hour.Discard the entire ship and start over.
>>2682439uh based?
>>2682851>>Get kicked out of the anchorage for pumping sewage overboardIs this on the record?
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>>2684030that's a website where you can make your own headlines. like this.
>>2684030
What was the name of that one wonky house that SV Seeker sometimes gets compared to?
>>2684298Groverhaus
Nice, my favourite thread is backI feel for the poor fucker. In many ways, I am a Doug. He serves as a good example for people like me that you can't DIY every element of a project like this. Too much R&D need to get every piece optimal. You dont have enough years in your life to do it all. Build from scratch a few elements that are important from you, use off the shelf stuff for the rest. Like his drivetrain. Probably could have got the whole works from some a salvage boat for minimal price.I can't believe he left his family for this.
>>2683514He can't remove shit - he poured all those tons of lead into very tight spaces. I fucking TOLD him to wait, until closer to the end of the project, but he had all the facts and figures correct - right up until his simple, 1500lb backup power turned into a full-blown engine room and the weight skyrocketed. He's done that shit over and over. Just because he could weld some steel, he thought he could casually rebuild a diesel engine - which is how he destroyed his first diesel engine.
>>2684618There are many, many lead bars above the keels that could be removed.
>>2682445This picture made me vomit. If worried why not clamp AFTER splicing? I'm so angry it's stupid.
>>2684629I thought he poured all of it into the hold and the skegs, or whatever they're called. Bars or not, it had to be too far forward to do any good. There was no way to subtract weight from the rear. Last I saw, he actually had to dump the nice little shore-boat, that he built, because it was way too heavy.
>>2684618>>2684902The whole point of twin keels is that you can beach your boat wherever. Lead has a melting point of only 620 deg F so he is going to drill holes in the keels and skeg, heat the steel with a blowtorch (he has one aboard), let lead drain out, then patch weld (he has a welder too).
>>2683530>Pressure test fuel tanks to 5 psi for one. >Discard the entire ship and start over.Do that first and the second should do itself
>>2684902He poured lead in the keels, but upon launch learned that the boat was stern heavy and had a built in list. In an attempt to fix that he brought more lead aboard and stuffed it in places likevthe fuel tanks and in the bow, even putting some of it inside the foremast via the power/inspection hole at the base thats there because it's really a street light pole.Even that didn't work and he's been moving gear like his generator out of his engine room to try to get the weight/trim issue solved...but he fucked up from the beginning by using heavier steel and adding crap everywhere so that the overweight/trim issues are baked into the hull, which also has a longitudinal twist in it so it will never *not* have a list.His abandoned tender wasn't just overweight, it was also inherently unstable, wouldn't plane, and had numerous propulsion issues like overheating and poor controls due to the computerized control system being stripped off.
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>>2684983he thinks I'm mad.
>>26849435 psi is not a lot of pressure and is a common test pressure for tanks.
>>2685334It's enough to underinflate a bicycle tyre but this Doug we're talking about.
>>2685405Yes but how to go about locating the fuel leaks?
>>2682404You had me going there for a minute.
>>2684974I was a casual watcher, after the bullshit "fake explosion" fiasco. Too bad about the tender - I thought they got that little diesel running well. I'm still guessing the complexity of the engine room is what tipped the balance (literally). I don't think he ever expected it to be that complex.
>>2685580I wonder if there was any way to anticipate that and plan for/around it? Doug is a constant source of warnings for others. The Seeker chapter of Doug's biography should be taught at engineering courses.
>>2683417Kek. But also, goddammit man, you made me re-read the entirety of Preacher.
>>2686062aw, you love him.
Doug is replacing the black water / sewage tanks that are under the bunks in the front of the vessel. I wonder if the sewage was eventually seeping through the plastic in the ventilationless cabin during the hot summer.Conceptualize the aroma
>>2686224Hypothesize the scent
>>2682465the 'Big Rope' conspiracy was about them creating and transgenderism so they sell more rope for them to kys? right?hope Dough doesn't troon out tho.
>>2686238consider the odoriferous emanations
>>2686353postulate the pungency
>>2682305>>2682296as opposed to? start building boats instead of going to college? i don't get your point.
>>2686315No joke he had a tranny shipmate. But even he had more sense than doug and got the fuck outta there. Doug probably made constant advances on him once the sun went down and the captain got proper drunk
doug doug doug doug doug, doug doug doug doug!doug doug doug doug doug?doug!
Can someone provide the link to the /diy guy who moved to the jungle and was building giant concrete house or something? I think he had a wife and maybe kid.
>>2686783https://www.youtube.com/@JMEMantzelThis one?
>>2686062I don't really think so. If I recall right, he really planned this project out, before he began it, but he still changed things/made design mods, on-the-fly. I think that fucked with all of his numbers, including balance. I really admire him tackling such a big project and sticking to it, but there's a whole lot of "I'll learn it as I'm doing it" going on here.
>>2686062The whole project makes a lot more sense if viewed from the perspective of maximizing youtube views, and not from the perspective of rational boat building.
>>2686872He didn't really "plan" much beyond the hull shape (which came out wrong anyways), it was more just a vision of what he wanted. The few numbers he actually bothered to calculate were entirely abandoned and forgotten before the first bulkhead went in.
>>2682289it's not a total loss...he'll be able to buy the shittiest possible land nobody wants, ie flood plain, and just live in the boat. and since it's a boat, when it floods he'll just float away.
>>2686898Sadly, surface discharge of sewage is illegal, even on your own property.
>>2686889This. His pre-build blog had neatly categorized sections relating to the various systems and principles involved in putting together what he proposed, but in hindsight it was all just navel gazing used to make him look like he was well informed enough to be believable, like the obligatory bookcase full of legal reference books in a shitty lawyer's advertising.Like >>2686884 says, when you look at everything as part of a staged theatrical production designed to create a moneymaking franchise, it all makes sense- his collection of technical resources and stuff like his watermaker and ROV and charity foundation that have all never functioned are just props, and the vessel is a set where he makes content that he sells.He even tried to promote a spinoff where one of his "crewmembers" Andy went off to build his own steel barge with Doug's assistance and inspiring philosophy and help generating YT view$, but it only lasted a few weeks before Andy couldn't keep up the pace and threw in the towel on the YT part.When you look back on Dougs earlier diy activity it's always been this way- do just enough to be able to say he "built" something so he can then use that to boost his persona/street cred with people who want to feel good by giving him money, and don't ask questions when he doesn't do what he said he was going to do, but swallow his faux philosophical platitudes that he feeds them as excuses.
>>2686409>as opposed to? start building boats instead of going to college?Yes? If you have creative aspirations, you should drop out of school and pursue them immediately while your body is young and your brain is fresh. Waiting until retirement (near-death) do chase your dreams is the saddest boomer cope.
>>2686924Or at least go to college for a subject related to your aspirations, where you can get some hands on experience (both in class and through work/study internship arrangements) and network with others who share the same or similar aspirations and can help you in the future.You can always ignore what you want from it later, but at least you have a foundation to inform that decision.Doug on the other hand preemptively rejects real learning and experience in the field he aspires to succeed in, and claims that learning by making dumb mistakes over and over is the key to enlightenment and innovation.
>>2686822Yes thanks. My wife has gotten into stuff like this, a couple from Arizona she watches is moving to Panama or something. Made me think of this guy. Why did I think he was killed by soldiers or something? Also holy shit, so many videos. Can you suggest a good place to drop in? I don’t want to send her 15 years of videos.
>>2683417Way funnier with the original /pol, where it made sense. >>2683382Is this true? If so that’s fucking hilarious Speaking of which, why does it seem like there is a whole weird swinging scene with those seasonal regatta people. >>2685550Lol what do you mean? I never thought GRRM would get adwd published, but he proved me wrong. And DNF was eventually released.“The phantom” gaming system was another great bit of vaporware, but that never materialized. >>2684477> I can't believe he left his family for this.At some level that was probably the point>>2684974>twisted hullFuck I forgot about that. You know he managed not to kill anyone yet, and the boat isn’t at the bottom of the river. I think he succeeded as much as he will ever have to. Good for you old boomer. He can spend the next decade just fucking around until he runs out of money, he can’t stay anywhere, or that boat kills him.
>>2686822>https://www.youtube.com/@JMEMantzelThis dude is living the dream
>>2686920>the vessel is a set where he makes content that he sells.True enough. But the sea is an unforgiving mistress. So as well as being a shrewd salesman, he is smart to stay in the ICW.
>>26823095 knots is screaming for a boat that size. Thats over 10mph. Thats pretty impressive actually.
>>2687996>over 10mph5kn * 1.15 = 5.75 mphDumber every day.
>>2687996It's not impressive at all. You're dumb. Under just sail, if he was making 15 without his engine that would be acceptable.5 is in danger of getting pushed around by the current
>>2688028>if he was making 15Most sailboats can't break 10.
>>2688160Theoretical hull speed for something in Seeker's range (65' waterline length) is just shy of 11 knots, lightweight racing sailboats that size designed for speed can do 15-20 off the wind, Seeker is so heavy, undercanvassed and unstable that about 6 is as far as you can push, the mainsail has to be reefed once you get to about 15 kts of wind because it's so prone to heeling...and this is in perfect calm sea states in sheltered water.Even a conservative mid-weight cruising vessel that size should be able to hit 8-10 kts all day long under power or sail (if there's wind) with no fear of getting knocked down or the rig coming apart.
>>2686920Yeah, but if he was so intent on making money, what was with that fucking fake explosion and then doubling-down and telling his viewers that they shouldn't be so interested in his life, or worried about him - if I remember right, he immediately lost about 200,000 viewers and a ton of Patreons. Even other utubers were distancing themselves from him.
>>2688324Nobody said performers are smart or mentally stable; people who rely on adoring fan bases for a living do stupid shit to alienate them and nearly kill that golden goose all the time.
>>2688347Yes but not comparable as Mel is one of the most popular actors and directors of all time.
>>2688218Is it possible for a boat to sail faster than the wind speed? Because Seeker has only rigged up in a 5 knot light breeze.
>>2688643Yes actually, if it's properly designed. It's very interesting
>>2688368>Mel is one of the most popular actors and directors of all time.Not really, no.
>>2688915He waa really big for a while there. Just because he said the naughty word doesnt mean he qasnt an A lister
