How big is your old twig nibbler?
Have you ever found bees living in a tree?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8z3nBQNLL4
>you're a majestic tree>alive for thousands of years>been home to many animals, provided shade for many more>survived hurricanes, floods, wildfires, earthquakes>one day some yokels come around>cut you and all your friends down and pose for pictures over your corpse
>>2560245Ever heard of Pando the giant clonal aspen?
I went from an 18 to 16" bar
>>2560359i had heard of it but never realized how huge and old it really was. 14,000 years old, man. that's amazing.
>>2560385The ranges are pretty wide, the biggest I can see is 80,000 years
>>2560375What was your main problem with the longer bar?
Why do japanese axes have these lines?
>>2560465number of gaijin killed with the axe
Biggest I have is a 32" bar on an MS462
>>2560465Deliberate 'flaws'Suggesting that, if the creator had not included these marks, the thing would have approached perfection
>>2560422I wanted to see if it would bog less when buried in hardwood. Been cutting oak logs into rectangles to make a bridge. Perhaps rotating mass would help
>>2560573What type of chain are you using?
I love this stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOpsVijlA7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoprVhpOKIk
>>2560573What about a more skippy chain?
went from MS181 14" -> echo cs501 16" ->echo cs7310 20" the shitl was way too underpowered for my use and the 501 was fine but i just wanted bigger saw for shits and giggles
Used to have a Stihl 064 and put a 75cm bar on it with full teeth, I can't find a skip tooth chain in my country and no saw has the power to pull a normal chain in hardwood
>>2562194I also have a 070 with 63cm bar but it's getting heavy and my back is fucked after a couple of injuries
>>2560589I used to make charcoal, there are many different methods
>>2562196You can do it in a drum it's that easy
>>2562197The easiest way I know is to make it as biochar by literally throwing new branches onto a fire so that it starves out the bottom of oxygen and then you throw water over it.
>>2562322That's a shit way to do it, you have to be near it all the time it burns, you burn away wood and then you get it wet. Charcoal absorbs the water you throw at it, especially while it's still hot and then you have wet charcoal that can't burn efficientlyThe easiest way is to make it in a metal container. Making it inside dirt gives better charcoal but is labor intensive
>>2562447Because it's biochar not burnable chacoal, it's used mixed with soil. It's primary advantage is all you really need is a bucket and a water source.If you actually want to make something burnable then you'd do it very differently
>>2560189that is a normal size tree. those are midgets
Arborist/Forester by trade, I have only ran Stihl outside of a couple of Echo power pruners.Currently own>200t top handle climbing saw.>362c, good saw for people upgrading from a Craftsman, always felt heavy for it's power.>440 magnum. My old daily saw, got rebuilt a few years back and tuned for a modified exhaust. If you have ran a 440, you understand why I ran it for over 10 years. Was also the first saw I ever used.>660, similar modified exhaust as the 440. Don't use it much but it is a fun saw to use for less than 40 minutes.>400c, my new daily and pic related. It is a game changer of a chainsaw. Half a pound heavier than my 362c, a pound lighter than my 440. Same horsepower as my 440. Lightweight piston keeps the vibration forces down, significantly. I fucking love it.
Do any of you manage or own land? What do you make or sell from it?Found a guy who owns several hundred acres of the ozarks to make really good honey using wild caught bees because he sees it as the only way to protect his bees from agricultural chemicals and ecological denudation from loggers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ3off6uzG0He says the honey is probably the most profitable way to use the land long term instead of some logger wheeling in and clear felling everything that others are doing there.
>>2560589pleaching some pretty big trees for a hedge.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fVqMesU32s&list=PLc8eR5_16ZwLlaSqczRv5x2rEfCLvqQqI&index=7
>>2563203How does the youtube filter work, this guy is just talking about trees?
>>2560465Originally they were most likely blood groves because Japanese battled with axes just as much as with katanas. It evolved into an homage/talisman to nature. The 4 lines being soil, water, air, fire. The three lines I forgot. >>2560545>Deliberate 'flaws'That's Chinese philosophy in regards to porcelain. Japanese would rather Sudoku than deliberately flaw their work.>>2560573Nah, you gotta use wedges. It's probably squeezing the bar like a pair of chopsticks when you cut down it.>>2560189Picked up a Fiskars hatchet the other day as I have many axes but nothing smaller for light stuff. I like it, very lightweight and has a hollow handle so I can tuck a lanyard in it. Thought about getting one of their larger new splitter axes too, but idk how I feel about a hollow handle on something like that. Their plastic has a "Stronger than steel" gimmick I can't for the life of me trust, but I've yet to regret any tool I've bought from them so far.
>>2563214>The 4 lines being soil, water, air, fire. The three lines I forgot.believe these are rather 7 shinto nature kami, of which the elements are represented by four. I'm not sure exactly which seven, and it probably isn't strict anyway (nothing in shinto is).
>>2563214Three lines are a stand in for sake when used as an offering. You would stand the axe up, pray toward it, and then get chopping. I believe it is a pun of some sort. "sa" is one of the forms of the word for three.
>>2560245Anthropomorphizing things is a sign of stunted development.
>>2563536No, anthropomorphizing things is a sign of not being a psychopath.
>>2562684ms400 looked nice, glad to hear you like it. i'll get one when they have heated handles. i have a hi-comp ported 066 with a 36" bar. used it in the log sort for bucking. i'm pretty comfortable with saws, but this one scares me. you arborists are fucking crazy. i like my feet on the ground.
>>2563642You want scary.Slap a bow bar on.
>>2563536Some trees send out a sort of 'roots or seeds' or w/e when they get burned/cut in hopes of growing another tree further away.
>>2563642I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the 400. >Running a 440, 50 feet inna tree, and you're catching the section.That is scary my man.>>2563779I got an old bow bar for wildland fire work. It is smaller than a pulp wood bow, fits a 362c perfectly. Makes clearing brush a very quick endeavor.
>>2563536trees aren't things, they're living creatures. they grow and respond to stimuli in their environment just like you and i.
>>2560375545great coice for an allround chainsaw
>>2562684we have a mix of husquarna and stihl.the more generic ones are husquarna 3 545 and one 353 and a few more.the more unique ones are stihl tophadles 201tx and 200 as backup. and 500i which is very sexy because of the i.Also husquarna tophandles are never owned one but a coleage has one
> no more trees
>>2563214I have a Friskers splitter axe. Its so nice to chop with, its light and the handle shape gives excellent control. I wasnt going to buy one for the same reasons but found it in my inherited tool heap. I would buy one again for sure.
>>2564775gotta grow trees to cut trees
How do you get into selling firewood?
>>2563214>BloodgroovesYou're meant to grow out of this when you're 14.
>>2564894>Ackchyually it's called a "fuller".If you're going to correct someone then put the correction in your post.>>2564801Thanks for the input. I will have to pick one up next time I'm at the depot. Hatchet has held well so far.
>>2560189How do you even process a tree like that? And did they just use it for normal lumber or was it for novelties like giant tables made from cross-sections?
Homeowner checking in. Mostly just cut down what dies standing. Hardwoods go into the wood pile, softwoods get set aside for sugaring.
>>2563214Wabi sabi, sashiko etc is celebration of flaws inherent to usage, but it’s definitely now transgressed into making flawed new items
>>2564958>Sugihara barA man of taste and refinement I see.
What size and type of pruning saw do you go for? Straight blade or curved? Impact hardened or sharpenable teeth? Do you prefer something short and used for whipping off branches in the wrong place or long and chunky that can pretty much replace a chainsaw?Any good brands other than silkys?
Arborist hereFirst company I worked at our staple saws were the 201t for climbing, 261c (18") for groundwork, and a 660 (28") for everything big. We had more saws of course but those three were versatile enough for everything.Biggest saw I ever used while climbing was a husky 395 xp with a 32" bar.
>>2564955Put it on a lathe and make a toothpick.
>>2562194Assemble your own chain. Ain't hard, just takes some time.>>2562195Time to retire that bad boy for something lighter and with a chain brake.
Anyone familiar with rebuilding a chainsaw? I have an ms362 that had straight gas run through it. So it has no compression. New block, cylinder, and rings anything else? Is this feasible for a wrenchlet with some free time? Hoping to avoid buying a brand new replacement
>>2567710If the piston isn't seized then you can probably rebuild it.>Don't buy another 362, get the 400c if you go that route.
>>2567714I took it too a shop and he showed me the cylinder moving and the sludgey stuff on side of the worn down cylinder wall and rings. He wanted 600 canadian to replace, not sure if steep or reasonable.
>>2567724It is a bit pricey of my mental conversation is right, but not a rip off. Check the price of the replacement parts if you want a better idea.
>>2563779Stop giving him suicide advice, lmao.
Cut the pagan stuff
>>256018918 and 20 on an ms271. 14 and 16 on an ms18.
What do you guys think about blue bar nuts?
>>2568330Never found a need for an upgraded bar nut. Replacements? Sure, because the nut got lost. But never thought of needing anything more.
Ms 461 with a 32" and a ms 441 with a 28" es light. 461 usually wears the 28 es light bar and is a really well balanced saw with that bar. The 441 usually wears a 25" and she rips. Both craigslist scoops for $500 each. They feed a fire pit and a smoker. I bought wood once and never again.
>>2567724Buy a Meteor top end kit and do it yourself. Long as your bearings are still good it's less than an hour of work.
>>2560217At my elementary school there was a sycamore with a huge hole in it full of honey and bees.
>>2568513Notice how the Christcucks are all bald and dysgenic incel men while the pagans are chads with a full head of hair and fertile supple wives.
I killed my MS250 engine, I bought another Ms250 to replace it. I was thinking about buying an ebay/china engine to revive my original saw as a backup. Thought? I couldn't find much info on China parts.
>>2569553hit or misshad one cylinder last for a decade, the replacement only lasted half a year. would keep the original crank if its still in good shape
>>2560189>Cut down a 1,000 year old treeI want you dead>>2560245Based. City parasites are cancer. However almost all modern loggers are Mexicans... and fun fact the northwest timber industry isn't profitable. They are still around because of massive subsidies and they don't actually pay to harvest trees on public lands... almost 1/2 the harvested trees go to china as well... so basically we import 3rd worlders to cut down forests at a net loss so we can give wealth to china.Pro-loggers are the biggest retarded parasites on the planet.
>>2564688It's been good for my couple acres, def a step up oer Pops 460 Rancher
>>2569990I bet you expectied biomass coofiring and all the other green tech to be way less destructive to the environment than it turned out to be?
>>2569990trees have a lifespan and you are wasting them if you wait till they rot from the inside out
>>2562195That is a sweet collection of chisels you've got there. But why put that oily saw on that nice cabinetmaker's workbench? Don't you have a separate bench for dirty stuff and metal work?
>>2570385There are coppice stools that are thousands of years old. They expand out surprisingly wide.
Cam I get some recommendations for a decent medium duty gas chainsaw?Want to cut down some trees on my property. The biggest is a White Pine but I'll probably hire someone to do that because it's huge.
>>2562196>>2562197I beseech you, enlighten us great charcoal wizard.i want to learn of your ways.
>>2564958>sugaringi usually eat mine with saltalso. what?what is sugaring?
>>2560217I have a bee infested removal scheduled for next month. The customer is hiring a bee guy to deal with them before I cut.
>>2568330The new single bar nut options are the big gay. There is likely a spot for a second bar stud and the clutch cover probably has a two stud variant available. I converted an MS180 and an MS211 two two studs.
>>2568357Captive nuts rule.
>>2569553If you are unwilling to fork out for Meteor then at least go Hyway. Like otheranon said, keep the old crank.
>>2571864if you're still worried use one of those smoke boxes beekeepers use that make bees docile, and a face guard
>>2563214I bought husqvarnas largest splitting axe with plastic handle last year since it was the only axe above bargain bin quality in stock and I have to say it is a very nice axe split maybe 50m3 with it and it made the effort a lot less back breaking.
>>2571871>if you're still worriedNah, this customer is very particular that everyone stay in their own wheelhouse. He will have a solid bee guy do a thorough job of bee removal before I get there. I am curious to see the actual hive. I found several openings spanning probably eight feet. It is a full blown Winnie the Pooh style infestation.
>>2571872Yeah. I got a plastic Husky to break up some desert pine. It survived admirably well. Pine that grows in the desert is tough.
People tend to give carbide chains bad reviews but, according to my extremely limited experience, the budget carbide chain that I just got from Pacific American Carbide seems to perform about on par with an equivalent Oregon S56 AdvanceCut.
I use used hypoid lube as bar oil. You cannot stop me.
I would like to buy a 2 person saw that it suitable for australian hardwoods, the ones I've found say they're only suitable for softwood.I have been lax in getting firewood ready for winter, a new child is being a time thief.
>>2572294I don't know, man. I spent time around that stuff a bit, but i am unfamiliar with anything besides pine, fir, and redwood - all live - being cut with those. If your wood is dry then I think that it is game over for anything but a chainsaw. Eucalyptus is about 40 percent denser than oak. These guys are trying to bring it back -https://crosscutsaw.com/product/434-two-man-tuttle-tooth-saw-5-5/The US Forestry Service has some good videos on youtube about the use of the device and especially maintenance.
>>2570655I went with a Stihl MS211 for cleanup work. The Echo CS590 is a decent saw in the next class. I actually went with the 620 because of some of the pro features, but the 590 is the same base saw. The Craftsman S205 is actually made by Efco and gets good reviews from a dude that I generally trust, but I have no firsthand experience with it. What's your budget and how big are the trees?
What the hell can you actually do with leylandii wood because it burns like shit.Got a couple hundred metres of 30+ year old wind break on an earth bank and they need chopping before they get blown over and destroy the sheds.I readd the heartwood is pretty rot proof can you use it as fencing?Working with the stuff gets me covered in resin.
>>2563214fiskars is cheap chinese junk
What's it like working at one of those fire spotter towers?
>>2574981>full of resin>burns like shitInterdasting.
>>2577234it doesn't last and leaves a lot of tar
>>2577377I use wood like that for cooking outside.
>>2577677That's an option, I'll just need an appropriate fire for it I guess.What's the best fire to cook outside over, like a simple brick oven or something?
I'm looking for a tough chainsaw that can comfortably be used in an alaskan mill. What models should I be on the lookout for?
I've been playing around with weaving hazel and willow to make a fence. I knocked some one to two inch width hazel poles into the ground in a line about 18-24 inches apart then at about belly to chest height took 2-4 long thin hazel or willow rod and wove them through but pulled to bottom rod to the top each time to bind it together.Worked pretty well. when I put all my weight against it to try pulling it over it held up.Will probably need replacing in two to three years but it only cost me the time to cut the poles out that were growing there anyway.
>>2582323You can use live green sticks so they take root. Bend the tops over to weave your fence and have it self repairing.
>>2582481That works with willow, I planted a few willow rods beside the hazel woven one, hopefully they root, then I'll use them in future to cross the boggy section.
Do these work or is gas the way to go chain bros?
What is a decent small chainsaw to carry on my back while mountain biking? The trails by me have too many fallen small trees to get any speed up, and most are too big for me to drag away. I want to clean it up.
>>2583534Get a silky hand saw either a fixed or folder.Or get one of those pocket chainsaws campers use that are just a chain and two hand toggles, could also take a small axe.
>>2583203Former ag dealership guy here.Most battery-powered chainsaws are really no more than pruners. They use smaller chains and simply aren't designed for thick branches. They're not really designed for continuous duty and they're more for home use, pruning smaller tree branches and some woody shrubs. You can get higher end battery powered chainsaws, but they cost a fair bit.I have modified battery saws for customers before, although I didn't like doing it. Not because it didn't work, mind you. You can put a thicker bar on them and get more out of the saw, but it's not great for its battery life, and most customers are retarded and will never remember what the customization was, making their lives difficult when they go to replace the chain.If you're actually cutting down trees and doing real lumber work, gas saws are still better than battery saws. They're easier to service, they're more abundant on the used market, and they're better in a professional work capacity. If you're a homeowner who wants to terrorize the neighbourhood at 6 am with your chainsaw, the electric one will prune your lilac tree just fine.
>>2583534where do you go mountain biking?
>>2582481I've seen people weave living fences out of willow. looks great at first then it grows to 5 metres tall and you have to keep pruning it back but that might be a feature in its own right, growing your own bean poles and kindling.
>>2580169I have a fire pit made with cement ''stones'' from the hardware store. I have a grill that I can place over it. I have two cast iron pans that I can put on the grill and some basic barbecue tools. I am an arborist and I have a lot of random, oddly shaped chunks to deal with, so I like the big pit. I set it to burning, collapse the fire when it is well established, emplace the grill, preheat the pans, and go at it. The irregularity of my pieces are of no concern once they get partially burned. My total investment is probably 100 USD.
>>2583534What diameter trees are we talking about? If they are small enough then, like otheranon says, a pocket saw will suffice. If that is a non-starter then we can start talking power saws.
>>2583557Yeah, I have a Makita battery saw that came with a .043 groove 3/8 Low Profile chain. I swapped that out for a .050 groove 3/8 Low Profile chain. That was a good swap. If there was any sort of twisting, the narrow groove bar would get pinched. I have removed 16'' branches with it that were the size of what we usually consider medium trees around here. It depends on the environment. It is reliable and quiet. It just does not have the running duration for a big job.
>>2560189question to burgers/leafs - has any of trees this big been preserved, or ware they all cut down? Seems like such a waste...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartek_(tree)
>>2585371We have a lot of big trees remaining in burgerland. For trees like in the OP image, look to Kings Canyon National Park, Sequoia National Park - but really, a lot of trees near that size can be found in many areas of the West Coast from California up through Oregon and Washington, and over the border into leafland. Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, etc. have some a bit smaller, but in great quantities. Your Bartek tree would be more like our East Coast trees, with which I am less familiar. Too many were cut but very many remain. I believe the tallest tree standing in the US is ''Hyperion''.
>>2585364If it's bigger stuff the silkys will go up to something like a sugozawa, or sugoi with a 420mm/16 inch blade although silky stuff can get expensive when you have to replace the blades.If the guy is biking out to remote trail sites then any powered saw is going to be large and heavy and he'll have to cart all of the safety gear, sharpeners, and batterys/fuel out there too all of which I think really point to hand tools.Depending what he plans to actually do just a cheap folding pruning saw, and a pocket chainsaw are going to do most of what he might need. Maybe he could add a pair of leather gloves, secateurs, and a small axe?Although the guy originally spacified that he wanted something to cut fallen trees too big to drag away we don't actually have any idea of what size these are or whether he already carries a handsaw.
>>2585371they'll cut all of them down, then no one will ever see them except in books for at least 1000 years, they just did it in BC a few weeks ago and the largest old growth forest on vancouver island is going to be cut nextits worse than a 1000 yr old masoleum being destroyed since it could be rebuilt like original with enough efforta tree like that can't be replicatedbut the same /pol/tards that claim the "tree would grow back" would seethe over some rocks being toppled.
>>2585658>he could add a pair of leather gloves, secateurs, and a small axe?The arborist standard for gloves is the rubberized fabric type - DPower, Galilee, Milwaukee, etc. They are just enough protection, breathable, lightweight, do not hamper grip strength, fit in one's pocket, and cost a dollar fifty per pair. I would go all the way down to a 1.5 pound hatchet or even smaller, with a 12 inch handle, making sure that the head was designed for cutting and not for chopping. For the pruners, I would go with a set of anvil pruners such as Smith or Wolfgarten. The saw is up in the air until he specifies diameter.
>>2560465Japs have an absolutely ancient forestry system. They had professional foresters/rangers that would designate specific hardwood trees to be cut and then reforest any endangered spots in the 15th century. It's why despite being a small, industrialized island nation that's built things out of wood and paper for two thousand years, they've only really deforested the areas around their cities.
>>2585739I modeled a short hand saw after a japanese forestry saw that I saw in an old picture. I used a broken axe handle with a Notch pole head and a Corona blade. They have a neat toggle system that uses sticks interlaced with ropes to make rungs that are temporarily installed in the tree to facilitate access. We truly can learn a lot looking to The East.
>>2585726jesus fucking christ why aren't you burgers rating about it and burning cars
>>2585734I suggested leather gloves because it gives you more use against thorn bushes but you could perhaps just use a flat piece of leather and you could use that wrap the rest of the tools in?rubberised fabric gloves (but he'll probably have biking gloves which are already pretty rugged)anvil pruning shears/secateurspocket chainsaw (the strap types would be more compact than the toggle type)>maybeA small compact hatchetpruning saw (size dependent and might be redundant)
>>2585743>They have a neat toggle system that uses sticks interlaced with ropes to make rungs that are temporarily installed in the tree to facilitate access.You mean a rope ladder or something more?
>>2585769>I suggested leather gloves because it gives you more use against thorn bushesAs I gain more experience, I realize the lack of depth of my experience. However, in my experience. the rubberized fabric gloves punch way out of their weight class. The do well against palo verde and mesquite and the rubberized surface survives against abrasion better than leather. Heavy duty leather gloves suck and medium weight leather gloves only last one day for me.
>>2585771Installed around the tree and cinched as footholds, probably.
>>2585771>You mean a rope ladder?No.>or something more?No. Something less. Imagine a Rope Logic Ultra Sling, only with a bar at the end instead of the eye.https://www.bartlettman.com/products/rope-logic-trex-ultra-ring-sling-1?_pos=7&_sid=710ebecd6&_ss=rYou pass it over the stem, select your slot, pass the bar through the selected slot, and advance. I have seen nips uses a big stack of them to ascend and I have seen one nip use only a pair. He was getting anchored and then he would reach down and recover the bottom one. I cannot remember how he managed that without just getting stuck. It was artful and minimalistic.
>>2585781Here we go -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Octm4nK2FcI think that they usually wrap the rope around the toggle as in this video, but I have seen the loops somewhere as well. That would explain him being able to recover it easily for reuse.
>>2585785That's what I was thinking, yeah.
>>2585842I am trying to work out solutions for palms so I do not have to spur them. For the shorter ones, I can cargo strap a ladder to the stem and just climb up hybrid style, using both the ladder and my lanyard. The taller ones get iffy.
>>2585844the old coconut climbers used to tie a rope between their feet and a rope around the trunk and sort of bunny hop up from what I remembermight be a high learning curveI feel like trying to figure out how he lashed that >>2585785 might post results if I make progress documernting it