What age did you realize you could literally make anything, given that everything else was made by regular ass people like yourself.I was in 4th grade. I remember how freeing it felt.
>>2505542Thats not the revelation that matters.The real revelation is when you are in your late 20s and realize that just because you CAN doesnt mean you should.Staying in your own lane, letting the experts in their field do their craft while you do yours.
>>2505545Your whole post>noI've worked in very technical industries. I can do it better than they can, not only, but mostly, because money is no object to me.
>>2505545All those 'experts' are retarded or too expensive. That's why I'm forced to do 99% of things myself. Except gardening, fuck that shit.
>>2505542Maybe if you're talking about making a hammer or some simple pleb shit, but there are things "regular people" can't make
>>2505549>because money is no object to me.Wrong, TIME is no object to you because you are a young kid going through a phase that every 17 year old /diy/er with no money goes through.Once you realize how precious time actually is, and how little money is worth comparatively, youll change your tune.Everyone does.
>>2505542>I was in 4th grade. I remember how freeing it felt.So whats it like being in 6th grade anon?
>>2505553Can you make a timeless song?Can you paint superior piece to Van Gogh?Can you write a thesis outsmarting Steven Hawking?Literature EquationsEngineering problemsComputer programsSure anyone could probably make an "instance" of no quality, but that's meaningless
>>2505557Sure he can, with enough time investment. Young and invincible, time matters not to him for he will live forever.
>>2505545i hate people like you
>>2505554>Once you realize how precious time actually is, and how little money is worth comparatively, youll change your tune. >Everyone does.Sometimes that takes people a long time to figure out. And other people live to work, so they just work harder. Different strokes and shit.
>>2505563Im sure you dont, people dont like hearing the truth.Being a jack of all trades is not a good thing, and at a certain point you will dedicate your time and effort into your own chosen field or hobby, not diluting your efforts in garbage you dont care about and will only do once.Funny how OP thinks he can do work better than the pros (because he learned how to do it on youtube from... the pros) and since money is of no object to him he will use the best materials out there (the stuff that pros buy)Itll just take him 20x longer to do it, and then feel accomplished. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, projects everywhere, learning very base level menial skills you use once in your life and forget a month later.At a certain point when money ACTUALLY becomes of no object and you need something done, you pay the guy who does it everyday to get it done.You have the world at your fingertips, the ability to genuinely deep dive into anything and become a master at it.And yet instead of truly honing a skill or two of your chosen hobby, you are blowing a whole month trying to do some stupid repair to save a few hundred bucks?Bravo my guy!>>2505567Different strokes is rightYoull find the people in the top of your hobby have been doing it for 20 years straight.Then youll find there are people who jump from one thing to the next over and over, never putting in focused work on one thing.I pity those people honestly, especially if they dont figure it out later in life.
>>2505570>Being a jack of all trades is not a good thingMaterial sciences has found great advantages by copying biology. Recycling networks that copied the factory line model have seen greater success. Each trade has skills that could possibly be applied to another. Time is precious so why waste it only knowing one thing? There is a limit like pic here, but if you have the world at your fingertips why waste it on being a master of one.
this thread has made me realize the cope among normies and made me realize greater I am extraordinary
alright Newton, looking forward to seeing you in the news
>>2505570But I can't find anyone to do a good job in any field so I have to do it myself.
>>2505606oh so you're just a schizo
>>2505606This.>I need a framer>all agencies are filled with 1-star reviews>I need an electrician>same story.>I need an hvac guy>methed out of their heads>roofer>visibly high on crack cocaine>Plumber>I'll need $14,000 to run a 3' linFuck "tradies" you only exist because the union jew is on your side. I literally have to build a house myself, by hand, and be 5x cheaper than you shitfucks, because a union jew decided to protect youverification not fucking required
>>2505611tell us your amazing story about how you mastered every trade, I bet you even cast your own nails
>>2505612>cast own nailsBitch, casting iron then steel is really not a big jump.I could easily forge my own nails. Creating plate material then forging it is literally day one shit
>>2505617Bro, I guarantee you're smarter than most of what makes shit run. It's not some dun krug effect, you got skills, use them, if not, use them to get more money from your boss, you're worth more than whatever they're paying you.same goes for whoever is reading this.
>>2505606>But I can't find anyone to do a good job in any field so I have to do it myself.This x1000. Pay an "expert" to do it, and they do such a half assed shit job of it. Now I'm pissed off and have to tear it out and re-do it myself so it is up to my standards and not complete dogshit. Maybe some people have low standards and will accept tradie work quality.
>>2505620the joke is that it's a waste of your time and money to bother casting your own nails
Oh and yes it is a freeing feeling knowing that you can basically do anything you want. Parts are re-buildable, or if they're completely fucked you can always fab new parts for pretty much anything. Nothing is ever really broken beyond repair, most people just give up on stuff because they're lazy and don't want to put in any effort.
>>2505625You're right anon, you're the most skilled person in the world and every professional is useless
>>2505626Perhaps finished goods are worth it. Even then the quality on consumer electronics has gone to dog shit in the last 10 years, furniture in the last 30.But what he listed? Trade jobs? Yeah they're all very easy to pickup and anyone you find looking for work is dogshit or unaffordable and booked out forever
>>2505615Casting steel is stupid difficult. You just can’t do it at low scale with reasonable price. You will be lucky to do some mid-tier cast iron castings but that’s about it.
>>2505542>What age did you realize you could literally make anythingWhen I also realized that to do that requires money for 100+ overpriced pieces of equipment. You can't even make a fucking desk stand without a workbench
>>2505545What happens when your experts don't do shit or fuck the job up? Just keep throwing experts and money at the problem right?
>>2505545This is the take of someone who has the money to hire tradesmen, but not the time to learn or do it yourself, though you could if you had to and didn't have anything else to do. Not saying you're right or wrong from a moral standpoint, but I see far greater value in learning and practicing almost any skill I might need again in the future.
>>2505542you mean people with years of experience in building a part of a thing and billions of industrial infrastructure and know how behind them and then many of these people coming together to build one thing
>>2506360that being said i still feel like i can make a lot with the power of accessible chinese 'wild west' manufacturing culture
>>2505570>You have...the ability to genuinely deep dive into anything and become a master at it.What you don't acknowledge is that most people working in any trade or field aren't anywhere near being "masters" and don't need to be to do competent work. Often the people in top positions have very narrow and limited skill sets, and the more technical the work is the more likely they are to have extremely specialized capabilities.In fields that require a broad range of skills and knowledge to be competent there are often concessions made in applying training resources based on the chance of encountering certain problems, so that it's often possible to literally have more education from a week perusing the internet than a licensed doctor or lawyer gets about certain rare situations that were barely mentioned on one or two pages in his school textbooks 15 years ago.Building contractors in particular often know little more than how to pass a test and write contracts, which is all that most GC license schools focus on.The ones who can actually speak authoritatively about actual construction gained that knowledge from working at all the different jobs involved, not shunning them.Strong work teams that are adaptable and deal with fast paced critical situations make a point of having all the team members work at the various positions involved just to understand what is involved and so they can sub for each other in emergencies enough that they operation can at least limp along instead of being dead in the water..That kind of thing is common in everything from retail stores to fabrication shops to boat crews to the military.Also there's no guarantee that whatever you take a "deep dive" into will be around when you are even halfway to mastering it, and to stay employed you may need to take a hard turn from something like switchboard operator or typesetter or VCR repair tech into a new paradigm that renders much of your mastery and esoteric knowledge useless.
>>2505563came here to post thisall the dunning kruger posters in this thread are retards at the bottom of their own curveexperts deserve no respect, steal their knowledge and make their abilities your own
>>2505542I thought that until my 20s when I realized just how crazy modern fabrication technology has become. One person can't hold all the knowledge required for every step, much less have anything close to the physical resources. Just getting started on one step would take a lifetime.
>>2505549>because money is no object to me.Didn't know we had multi-billionaires on /diy/.
>>2505542The day i realized i wasnt blek.
>>2505628Thank you for understanding my plight.
>>2505545>Staying in your own lane, letting the experts in their field do their craft while you do yours.I think what you meant to say is why learn to build anything if you can just buy it from china for really cheap.
>>2505545Specialization is for insects.
>>2505574>the spike at 7kek'd
>>2508234You sound threatened by the idea of someone else being better than you at something
>>2505574>at 76 you stop learning We should work on that.
>>2505542I was 21. I know it's quite late but i live in an Asian household where the conventional wisdom is to call the plumber or specific blue collar worker for even the smallest of jobs. My dad liked /diy/ing but he was very busy at his job and was a miser so all our tools were old, broken or too poor in quality to do the job. This gave me a negative opinion of /diy/ing in generalI binge watched a lot of diy YouTube videos and then i finally realised that I could make anything i wanted and i didn't always have to resort to buying or contacting the professional.I'm still a dunce tho. I have no idea what kinds of different paints are available. I don't know the difference between varnish and acrylic paint or oil based paint. I very recently learned what a wall anchor is (those plastic things that help fill gaps in holes for screws).I can only do /ohm/things like soldering, designing stuff etc because i have a bachelor's degree in that
>>2505574sorry gramps, IQ steadily declines after 35. this chart is bullshit
>>2505926I think is good to know a little bit of every field just to not call the experts for simple things that you could do on your own, then if something is out of your hands or expertise call the experts, though some are dogshit. I have luck that the best carpenter I know is literally my neighbour
>>2505545It's a cost benefit analysis. Building everything from scratch is retarded, but then again so is buying everything from China. For instance - I wanted a nice chicken coop. My choices were amazon garbage for $600, or legit quality Carolina coop for 15x that. I built my own for $1200 (counting a miter saw purchase) so I got the quality at a far more reasonable price. Bonus- I had fun and get to humble brag when people ask me where I bought my badass coop.
>>250554228anyway, what do you need?
>>2505570I painted and did the flooring in my room because I'm too poor to afford to pay someone else to do it.
>>2509194>this chart is bullshit>I have no citation to back my statements!
>>2509698What's the fucking citation for the chart itself, source: 2 minutes in Excel? lol
>>2508234Beat me to it
>>2508234>Specialization is for insects.It's for those who make the money.
23 or 24. wew this thread's an eyeopener. kinda blown away.>>2505545>>2505570>Thats not the revelation that matters.>The real revelation is when you are in your late 20s and realize that just because you CAN doesnt mean you should.so completely overestimating you all this time is what's revelatory. i thought it was just preferences. had no idea i was overestimating you at all, much less to such a brutally severe degree. please be an outlier.
>>2505545>Staying in your own lane, letting the experts in their field do their craft while you do yours.So a farmer is going to call an irrigation guy if his pump isn't working? Or a mechanic whenever his equipment needs repair? You have no idea how the real world works do you? >>2505545>The real revelation is when you are in your late 20s and realize that just because you CAN doesnt mean you should.If I lived by this advice I would be homeless with no skills whatsoever.
>>2505625>low standardsThey don't even know what they're looking at, how can they do anything but accept it as a "expert's" work.
>>2505557>lists a bunch of useless shitirrelevant
>>2505542Cool story bro...can you make me an EUV machine?
*blocks your path*
>>2505628Yes. Work one single week at any hardware store, and you too will see that 98% of tradies really do not know what the fuck they are doing or what they even need for a job
The issue is that you in no way can compete with a company that's optimized the work flow and has 500k worth of equipment making it full time Now, there's still plenty of room to do it yourself for stuff with too much mark up, or is too special to come from a factoryLotta brand name stuff has insane markups
>>2505570This is how my older brother thinks, kinda always had. Hes always wanted to build racecars and go racing and shit I just wanted money. He trained as a mechanic under my dad, and I under him and my dad trained me for Autoglass. Not like safelite we did it all machinery, motor homes, semi trucks, to Ferraris, classics and custom glass for antiques. So I can do all that, went on to learn autobody, rust repair and fabrication work. Now I'm a differential specialist. I can do it all when it comes to car repair basically. My older brother focused on the track and performance though and now he's on television and in magazines for building record breaking camaros. Although technically speaking, large reason he's a keystone to his race team is because of his mechanic experience in that he can fix dam near anything that's absolutely necessary to race and do it right far more quickly and with less resources than anyone else on that team. Still, definitely a specialist.Anyway, he won't mow his own lawn. Not because he doesn't know how, shit he wouldn't even care if it looked good anyway. Just turns out there's guys out there with zero turns and shit that'll have that lawn done for 30 bucks instead of him sitting out there doing it himself for an hour and a half. He'd rather spend some more time at work and make more than it cost him for that time while also honing his skills.Me, well he comes to me for bodywork and Autoglass, that's kinda cool. Doesn't make me much though and definitely will never get me on TV lol
>>2505574At 29 I really think my blue line decline started at 21 with my dui. Then continued when I started doing sidework for a friend of my pops to pay for it idk if it's just my dad or if it's normal for everyone but that guy not giving a fuck about me really humbled the fuck out of me since b4 that I'd only worked for my dad. And 2 of my brothers had similar experiences once they left the house and got real jobs with a male boss they became mentors to them as well. Anyway my point is I went from thinking I was God's gift to asking permission b4 making any decisions on my own in like 2 weekends and slowly krept my way back up to I'm not an annoying trainee anymore.
>>2507732Im this guy>>2511761Exactly true. I can spend days building a new rad support for my project truck. Or I can buy the piece stamped out on an assembly line. Even if there's shit on it I gotta fix before it fits right, I'll save more time and therefore money buying it. And I do fab work all the time because sometimes, there is nobody making it. 3 hours to fab up a new cab support or 25 bucks off Amazon it'll be here tomorrow hmmmm.
>>2510192Farmers are expert farmers. That means they've gathered tricks of their trade through years of experience to get their shit done, this includes rigging shit to work for now. But yes, they call the experts often. The overhead these days is already insane.
I work slower than most tradeniggers, but I save a shitton doing it myself.This is how I make 100% return on my investments minimum.
>>2505553A cell phone
>>2505545>/diy/>/do it yourself/>um actually you should'nt do anything yourselfwhy are you here?
>>2505542when I reluctantly did my first oil change myself, after some aussie cunt called moog said its totally easy.changed my crankshaft bearings yesterday. shit is easy.
>>2505542Around 12. Still learning that just because you can, doesn't mean you should, it's been an expensive lesson.
>>2505570>Being a jack of all trades is not a good thing,that's cope
>>2505550Anon, how you feel about gardening is how 90% of people feel about 90% of things. We just have a way better skill tree than anyone else.
>>2505542damn, you were in 4th grade when you realized you can make your own 5nm cpu dye?
>>2505545It's less about staying in your lane and more about not wasting money where you just don't need toSo many retards come on /diy/ and ask how to build things that are already dirt cheap and perfected in mass manufacturingLately it's been:>Clear coat (dirt cheap and every type sold works fine)>Animal traps (cheap new, but easily found being resold for even less)>Knives (always a thread here)>Shovel (I own and use $10-20 shovels for my landscape side business)>Assorted simple electronic items (literally google what you're trying to make and click *shopping*- you might need to change your keywords but what you're trying to build is available for next to nothing from SEA)>Cords that cost $5 The list goes on and onBuild what you want but don't waste your fucking money. Most people who come here are poor to begin with, don't make it worse, or even worse yet, don't put yourself or what little property you have at risk but /diy/ing something you shouldn't