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Anyone here do jewellery work? Is schooling worth it? Is the work rewarding?
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Hope you didn't pay gold prices for that brass
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>>2412698
That's mene 24k gold. I got the pic from reddit.
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>>2412689
>Is schooling worth it?
No, unless you're legitimately retarded and need somebody to teach you how to work a soldering torch
>Is the work rewarding?
For some people yes. But like any luxury good, your success primarily depends on how well you can make connections with richfags. Otherwise you'll just be another rando selling shiny rocks at the farmer's market.
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>>2412711
Are you a jeweller?
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>>2412712
No but I've been interesting in the trade and looked into it before. I also live in a touristy area with a lot of small-time jewelers that range from actual legit goldsmiths down to hippies hocking trinkets at the beach for weed money. There are a lot more of the latter than the former.
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>>2412713
Okay, so your opinion doesn't matter
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>>2412716
Just trying to help bro. If you're convinced that paying money in 2022 to be an artist is a smart business decision, well, have fun and I sincerely wish you the best.
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>>2412718
How can you possibly offer help if you have no real past experience?
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"Jewelry work" is impossibly vague, even if you narrow it down to the physical act of making jewelry it's not necessarily any particular set of skills or materials. There are people who make and sell jewelry and are successful at it who may do no traditionl metalsmithing or deal with stones. Even among those who do work in metals and gemstones they may not be bona fide full service jewelers, and even among bona fide full service jewelers it's not uncommon at all for them to hire people with geology degrees because it's an entire specialized aspect of the business that isn't specific to jewelers or jewelry.
Learning the fundamentals of metalsmithing and other techniques used to make basic jewelry is worth the effort and seeking instruction, but it's more of an attend a class or seminar and practice kind of thing and a full school course is likely to cover things you may never use. The kind of casting jewelers do is a valuable skill to know but takes a lot more up front money to get into for tools so learning at someone else's facility isn't a bad idea.
Becoming a full service jeweler from scratch is a monumental undertaking and part of the reason it's very often a family business...it's not just connections with clients that matter and take work, suppliers are difficult to find and make connections with and jewelers tend to guard their sources to an extreme degree.
In that sense and others it's very much like drug dealing; being the one guy who has the connection to the best stuff is how you make a name for yourself and attracts buyers, and you are a constant target for people who want to steal both your sources and the actual product and in some cases won't think twice about literally killing you for it. There's also fraud on the supply side to worry about (one reason why jewelers hire gemologists) and "clients" who are actually scammers too who will make all kinds of BS claims to try to milk you for money.
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>>2412861
Gemology,, not geology, fucking speel chock.
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I worked at a knife shop in a mall when I was in high school. We sold gold chain by the foot. It was pretty decent looking but still cheap AF. like 3 bucks a foot. ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS it was niggers buying it. Turns out they would by it knowing it was fake and resell it for like a thousand dollars to some unexpecting sheboon. I figured this out one day when one of them porch monkey's came in

>OOOOOHHH Shakrlepsta look at dat chain over der it look just like yours

>OOOOH girl you right but dat shit fake, it do be looking good do, maybe I shoulda just got that. Hey white boy let me see that.

It holds them up under the "Jewlers light" to compare and is impressed at how good our shit looks.

>damn dis shit look good

Thats when I notice the double crimp, I fucked up on this chain she is wearing and had to put an extra crimp on it, I am a racist piece of shit and I make commission so I tell her

>yes mam yours is real though, if you would like another chain to match it I can make you one.
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>>2412903
This brings up another aspect of the business- people buy into the marketing BS promoted by big name retailers and judge everything based on what Kay or Jared says is the going price for quality items, or they realize that those places and similar mall stores are scammy and treat actual honestcand respected jewelers as if they are all theives and scammers even when literally nobody *has* to do business with them.
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>>2412724
Are you even 18? What exactly do you think an arts degree will get you over taking a few hobby classes and just trying things yourself?

Do you think there is a magic special way of making chain links and setting jewels into little wire cages? Its obvious that this art is more about skill/time than special techniques to learn over the course of years
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>>2412966
Nobody has said anything about an "arts degree", and you are a fucking moron if you think there's no specialized techniques and equipment used in making jewelry that merit dedicated instruction and that it's all making chains and "setting jewels into little wire cages"...you dont even know that gemstone settings gs serve a purpose other than decoration and that different stones have different physical properties that make certain types of settings appropriate and others a recipe for disaster.

>Hurr to the durr, muh wire baskets.
Kek, you can't even take this *beginner* class in one specific type of settings without proving that you have training and experience with more traditional gem setting methods-

"... All settings are done under the Microscope and the use of the Pneumatic engraving machine.

- Set up the bench and equipment

- where to start the layout and design

- cuts and measurements for placement of stones

- Sharpen gravers specifically for Micro pave setting

- style includes Regular Pave, Zigzag, shared prongs, individual prongs and lots more."

https://www.jewelleryinstitute.com/beginner-micro-pave-setting
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>>2412976
>https://www.JEWelleryinstitute.com/beginner-micro-pave-setting
kek
no
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>>2412977

The vast majority of these have nothing to do with making jewelry, are all potentially very lucrative, and many are almost impossible to get into without GIA certification, but do go one proving your ignorance-

Possible Career Paths

Appraiser
Auction House Jewelry Specialist
Colored Stone Buyer
Diamond Buyer
Diamond Sorter/Grader
Estate Jewelry Dealer
Gemologist
Inventory Control Specialist
Jewelry Business Owner
Jewelry Buyer
Lab and Research Professional
Merchandiser
Pawnbroker
Retailer
Sales Associate
Wholesaler
https://www.gia.edu/gem-education/program-graduate-gemologist
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>>2412966
I was looking at a diploma course, retard
Stop thinking you're so smart
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What gold/silver jewelry can you make with minimal tools? I remember my dad making a silver coin ring
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>>2412689
Are you jewish, anon?
I tought that's a juden's craft mostly.
I have a thin golden neck chain with a cross.
Tought about doing jewlery but only for myself.
Do you even have the money to start practicing?
You'll need the gold and the tools.
I also have heard they use some chemicals to work the gold, besides a torch.
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>>2412996
Stop being actually retarded.
>>2412976
>Kek, you can't even take this *beginner* class in one specific type of settings without proving that you have training and experience with more traditional gem setting methods-
>"... All settings are done under the Microscope and the use of the Pneumatic engraving machine.
>- Set up the bench and equipment
>- where to start the layout and design
>- cuts and measurements for placement of stones
>- Sharpen gravers specifically for Micro pave setting
>- style includes Regular Pave, Zigzag, shared prongs, individual prongs and lots more."
All of this you can learn from a youtube video
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>>2412689
Look up 3D jewelry printing.
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>>2413046
you can do a whole lot with flat stock and wire, some of the finest jewelry ever made was done with hand tools and built up/hammered shapes.
For developing saw and filing/finishing skills you can work with copper and brass before hacking up precious metals...cutting coins is the time tested way of learning how to saw accurately (pic related)
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>>2413098
Whoa. Looks nuts
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>>2412713
>No but I've
... demonstrated an example of the dunning-kreuger curve?

>>2412966
>What exactly do you think an arts degree will get you over taking a few hobby classes and just trying things yourself?

It'll teach you critical thinking in terms of form, thought and proportion, creative thinking in terms of design, composition, and process.
It'll train your eye to create form and volume, the use of positive and negative space.
It'll teach you to use equipment you don't even know exists, rather than just how to solder which you imagine is the peak of the processes. It'll teach gemcutting and lapidary, gilding and inlay, koftgari, damascene, cloissonne and champleve. it'll teach you 20 different techniques to set stones, from bezels to mounts, and the best angles for settings to reflect at. it'll teach you the best mounts for different types and cuts of stone. it'll teach you methods of reclaiming lemel and cutting your overheads.
It'll teach you to raise and form metal, to work with stakes and formers, how to create anticlastics or compound structures. a good course today will teach you how to use 3d printing or edm cutting, alongside traditional forming.
It'll teach you how to work wax of a dozen different types for lostwax casting, the proper temperatures for burnouts, and the proper way to mix investment. It'll teach you to use gravity and centrifuge casters, and the right temperatures for them. it'll let you practice making stuff while getting feedback which teaches you how to improve instead of trial and error.
It'll teach you how to cut with a dozen different tools, how to create a hundred surface finishes.
It'll teach about stuff you don't even know exists.

And no, you ignorant moron, "youtube" is not a substitute.
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>>2413252
>It'll teach about stuff you don't even know exists.
its weird how you diss an anon for dunning kreuger but you're even worse about it

and btw you can learn all of that stuff taking a class at a makerspace or even a community college, still no need for throwing money away if you can't learn yourself
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Itt: poors who can't afford taking classes
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I think /diy/ has the highest percent of threads to be quickly derailed into shit shows faster than any other board
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>>2413675
I can't bear to even look at most boards, but I assure you, /o/ and /ck/ rarely have a non-shit thread, whereas /diy/ usually has one or two active threads that are legit, at least in part.
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>>2413633
Oh dear.
you know, that has to be one of the weakest "no, U!" retorts I've ever seen.
You should be embarrassed.

If you think that post is "dunning Kreuger", compared to the ignorant shit said earlier, go on. Explain to everyone what you imagine is also included in a proper university/art college course in Jewellery (aside from the obvious: Business Management.)
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>>2413688
>Jewellery

It's jewelry you illiterate shits.
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>>2413688
He is right tho.
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>>2413694
How?
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>>2413252
Oh, look, another pompous neckbeard abusing the phrase "dunning kreuger" again.
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>>2412713
>No but I've been interesting in the trade and looked into it before
you stupid fucking nigger. why do you think your opinion matters?
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>>2413691
>It's jewelry

It might be in your parochial insular country, but in mine, its Jewellery.
And colour, aluminium, pretence, manoeuvre, and meagre. And given we invented the language before your continent was even discovered, I suspect its you who cant spell.

I know its difficult for you to comprehend of the idea that the world does not revolve around your dialect, so I'm sorry to break it to you that you're a fucking mongoloid.
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>>2413757
You're speaking to Americans who are discussing things in American English on an American website which is hosted in America. You're out of place, bong. Do you even have a license to be posting on the 4chan?
Also, there are more American English speakers than any other variety, so our dialect is the major dialect of the English language.
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>>2412700
>24k meme carrot
Dad used to work in jewelry production in quality assurance and the 24k meme so is painfully accurate
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>>2414513
What meme are you talking about, autist?
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commercial jewelry is gay as fuck, i do historic reenactment and larp
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>>2412689
>Is schooling worth it?
No
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>>2413920
>a license



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