What would be the best way to build an illegal dwelling in a national forest? How would you do it?Rules: 1. Must be underground2. Must be practical. You'll be transporting all material and doing all work in a remote part of the forest.3. The dwelling must remain hidden 4. The dwelling must be suitable for living during summer and winterYou can use whatever tools and materials you want, given that you want.
>>2260575What is considered "best" depends entirely on budget and time constraints.Design-wise it is no different than any normal bunker, or even mine shafts. The biggest issue is remain hidden because you have to get out to get grocery at some point, if not your phone's GPS will betray you. "Hidden" also depends on your threat model: hidden from who.
>>2260575How does one go about building a bunker or anything underground for that matter? I mean I get it, just dig a hole n sheit, but how would you enforce the walls/ceiling in order to not make it a deathtrap?
>>2260601Overly simplified but basically, you prop it up and prevent it from collapsing.
>>2260575hide it in an existing mine/cave, deep enough to where it wouldnt be easily discovered but close enough to the surface so that you could survive collapses and get fresh airdigging a new bunker would be extremely obvious to anyone with any sort of remote sensing prowess (SAR satellite operators, alphabet boys, etc). it's not exactly out of the question for a national park to be surveyed by SAR or other remote sensing>geology crew surveys area in national park with SAR for subsidence or some other geological shit>>wow there's suddenly a 4x2ft square protrusion in this hill! that wasn't there last time we imaged it!>crew of geology nerds discover your "underground" cuck shed, report to police>get arrested>>2260601concrete
>>2260623Doesn't have to be in a hill. What about a cuck bunker? Something just big enough for a small bed?
>>2260628Why underground? If you are out in the middle of nowhere in a forest you are plenty hidden already, no need to make it extra difficult, a hole in the ground is asking for water problem
>>2260601Go to mining school?
>>2260575find a nice out of the way spot in a national park. dig a hole. if any one ever approaches during construction at this point say its for shit. build 10 meters from main camp site. look for a slope and dig side ways some but down mostly. 4 ft deep. if asked why you didnt dig else where say you wanted it near the tent but not next to it because of smell and you read some where that scent molecules tend to hang low on the ground or floor because gravity exist and they are heavy. so the side of the slope your camping on seemed perfectthen when its deep enough brace the sides with sticks and apply some concrete AFTER you lay down some plastic sheet tarp. bricks would help but this is your first burrow so concrete laid down with sticks (sticks act like filler) and keep the weight of the small walls low. the concrete needs to be thick. you can use a trowel if you want. when its dry apply more plastic sheet and another layer of sticks and more concrete but this batch has a little plaster mixed in. for insulation. it will be refractory which holds in heat due to the plaster. shicks are not present on the floor and you should not have applied any concrete to the ceiling since its a trap door/ storm cellar styled front door. disguise it with dead leaved glued to it now plaster the entire thing minus the floor. it should be small enough that even with ir satellite imagery they think its just a rock in the ground. yes thats a thing that can see into the ground easily 50 meters assuming the water table isnt penetrating the depth observed
>>2260638Yeah, worked out real well for the dwarves. They dug too deep. Stay above ground, least ye awaken what should have never been disturbed.
>>2260673>it slopes up
It's all been done before. Cozy underground bed for one, maybe two if ur real frisky. Go for the concrete vault.
>>2260675>Rain goes down
>>2260681Blows my mind people bother with this shit at all. Cremation is a million times cheaper, easier, and eco friendly. Who gives a shit if it's ash or a rotting corpse under the headstone.
>>2260575Either build in a high clay content soil area or in an area with soft stone. You want something good to dig.
>>2260688Damn did he paint his Ford explorer to match that container? Poetic
>>2260575The rangers will arrest you while digging your masturbation hole. But hey, a cell with heat, light, food, and a tall black man to have sex with is better than your troll post.
>>2260685I've always thought burying bodies was fucking creepy, even when i was a little kid. Stone, bronze, iron, and roman era civilizations burned bodies.Viking funeral or GTFO.
>>2260575I find a desert sand stone/silt stone place in a desert, similar to Coober Pedy and just rent one of those machines they use there. It would even be possible with the right hand tools and and a big boy hammer drill given enough time. Only need to find a desert that won’t have any people for the first week of digging or so. Their daytime temperature underground is like 20C +- 3 throughout the year
>>2260575https://glorecords.blm.gov/default.aspxsearch for an old mine on land in your state of choice, buy the claim from whoever owns it. enjoy your raepcave
>>2260575Cover tree house with ground. Technically it would be under ground.
>>2260758>search for old minehow
>>2260623I doubt this. The cartels are growing huge weed farms in parts of the west coast. They aren't going to find a tiny door unless they are really looking for it. Also trees.
>>2260575just bury a shipping container
>>2260623>SARmeans Synthetic Aperture RADAR for those mot awarethey simply compare images taken over a perios of timeyour excavation will change the heigh of the ground at the millimeter scale or more -- which it can pick uppersonally, though, I'd be more concerned about the rangersyou may think "big forest, I'll never see one" but they know their forest really, really well and get around to most of it
>>2260580>The biggest issue is remain hidden because you have to get out to get grocery at some pointAbsolutely false. …. The cave provides.
>>2260685Who gives a shit about the environment
>>2260959Oh not this cave bullshit again. Quit trying to make the cave provides meme happen. it's not going to happen.
>>2260575Honest question, how do people who live innawoods not go crazy from boredom? I understand nature is tranquil and shiet but after a day or two of that I would be bored out of my mind and craving my computer>inb4 short attention zoomer
>>2260991People before the invention of computers used to live without computers
>>2260649Op is the servant of the secret fire (unlicensed electrician from Facebook groups) and wielder of the flame Anor (the good makita version).
>>2260971The people who live in it.
>>2261005Fuck off fag, only idiots care. Ill care when the subhumans are gone
>>2260648>4 ft deepSeconding this for invisibility to FLIR.
>>2260959>…. The cave provides.The cave provides what? A minuscule amount of fungal growth?
>>2260575>Must be practical.right there means it ain't happening because nothing about an underground illegal home is practical.
>>2261005The people who 'care' the most about the environment live as far away from it as they can in large cities. They like nature only so far as they can control it
>>2261161Also avoid using a metal hatch, easily seen in infrared.
>>2260959good luck finding an undiscovered cave with an entrance that can be concealed
>>2261206no anon, eat the bugs
>>2260575Have you considered cheaper alternatives that are less conspicuous? Like a converted stealth camper van or trailer? Wth are you even trying to do with this?
>>2261239I vill not eat ze bugs!!
>>2261337he thinks being underground means he will literally never be found, it worked for saddam afterall
>>2261206Vaginal fluids. Mother Nature has many holes, and she gives nourishment to those who dig deep her hallways with their hotdogs.
>>2260623they cant track army rangers on vacation with stolen military dune buggies, what makes you think they have enough competent people to spot a fucking hatch hidden by trees.
>>2260688HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!!!
>>2261456>Nobody is looking for me>In a region bigger than Iraq >Maybe 20 park rangers totalYeah, same thing, right?
I think about this from time to time but I always feel like no matter how remote you built something like this a group of hard working Americans would always materialize for a game of disc golf and find you.
>>2261666Checked and kek pilled.
>>2261471I’ve been fucking gopher holes for years. Never been bit but the possibility makes it more exciting. No excavation required.
>>2261478>soil science memeswhat a time to be alive
>>2261666You could get away with it for a short while, not long enough to make it worthwhile. Ultimately this scenario would happen. Random back packer, spelunker, rock climber or day tripper would run across you and it's game over. In spite of the fact there are few park rangers per square mile, there are hundreds/thousands of unnamed volunteers that know these parks pretty well and will notice unusual activity.
what about pic related>fairly light>meant to be burried >no leaks>just dig a hole and drop it inbiggest challenge would be to get it to the location
>>2260575The hardest part is finding a spot. There are old copper mines in the UP but winters there are fucking rough. There's a lot of land in Utah but the heat will be extremely challenging. Thinking maybe there could be a goldilocks zone in Tennessee or maybe Georgia.
>>2260681>provides security for your loved onesWhat? They're dead. Am I supposed to dig them up once a year and hang out with their corpse?
>>2261929>can’t start with a small excavation >can’t expand>poor ventilation >not free
>>2261947Yeah, two days a year on Nov 1 and 2.
>>2261959Back to >>>/biz/
>>2260575I would think you'd want to be on a hillside, right? How else could you passively de-water?
>>2260575take your meds
>>2260580Just dont use a phone>>2260950>Shoots rangers Nothing personal
>>2260987It’s already happened.
>>2262554I've yet to see this meme outside of /diy/
>>2260991I can answer this because I used to go outside as a kid.Have you ever played a video game with a crafting tree? Expecially an exploration/survival game? When you spend a lot of time in nature, or at least when I do, you can develop your own crafting tree.For example, the fence was covered and overgrown in wild vines- mostly honeysuckle and Muscadine grape vines, and eventually I discovered I could make nice wreathes pretty easily and my mom loved them. You start by tying a big loop, and then wrapping other strands if vines around it. Eventually, you figure out how to reinforce the weak parts of the circle until you get a sturdy, huge, wreath. It's just what happens when you are outside bored around potential materials.Other fun:Sharpen sticks using rocks, then compete with sister to see who has the sharpest sticks (and best throwing skills) by throwing the sticks at an old pumpkin.When it's honeysuckle bloom time: collect honeysuckle nectar in bottle caps-- see if you can collect a visible amountUsing a sandbox sand strainer, take chunks of dried and cracked august mud and try to mash and strain into the finest powder. Compare dirt locations across the yard and the resulting powder to see which makes the sturdiest mud bricks when mixed with water and sun-dried.If you find straight and tall overgrown grass: see if you can weave it into a mat. I never had the patience for that but my sister made big grass mats. Used a huge one of hers as a "roof" for my stick fort.There's dozens of other fun things I used to do outside as a kid but some of them would require a lot more explanation.
>>2262563I didn’t know that was the parameters. Most other boards are dogshit so that’s actually a ringing endorsement.
>>2262574I'm pretty sure it's you and one other guy shilling the cave meme.
>>2260575How would I reiforce tunnels with wood in heavy soil?
>>2262572That’s true. As a kid i would cut down trees in the forest behind outhouse. My dad also built me a tree house out of garbage he took from construction dumpsters. Anyway i would cut down trees and stack them up and map a log cabin. I put a tarp on the top and made a campsite fire pit on the outside. It was so cool.
>>2261949then name something that would fullfill your criteria>building something out of reinforced concrete>literally tons of material needed>mixing it at the location without access to power not feasible without a bunch of slaves>you could bring a generator and use a cement mixer but its still a lot of work>transporting it is a challenge, especially if you want to build it in a remote place there are no roads>rebar is requiredsimply dropping a plastic container in the ground is far more realistic than building a bunker in the middle of nowhere
>>2262585Don’t fight progress. It’s inevitable.
>>2262629you could redirect a stream to dig a trench, the water would be dirty and the wildlife down the stream would be dead. But it is doable and you can put the plastic container in there, after the stream is in its original streambed
>>2260632did you know the united nations is investing billions of dollars in satilete and drones to patrol remote regions of the planet's forest in order to 'protect' them from evil humans? within the next 10 years, going out into the woods will not be a viable option for people who want to fuck off from society.
>>2260601You just bury a shipping container under like 10ft of dirt, retard. It's not complicated lmao
Pic rel is peak /k/
>>2262739There was a thread about someone who thought they would create an underground civilization by having people dig out their own living spaces.It would be powered by people turning cranks.This was long before the Black Mirror episode.
>>2260575Well I wouldn't build mine underground - That's a lotta digging, and for me, I'd have to bring a pickaxe to deal with the rocky soil.But i would definitely build a brush tipi. Very stable, very simple, and can be universally adapted to your environment. If you got bark - Use it! If you have moss - Use it! If all you have is brush - Maybe try to find some reeds or taller plants for thatch, but make the most of it! The brush tipi is simply the most versatile plan.If all you got is rocks and short vegetation, I'd suggest a rock ring with a stick roof, or else fortifying a natural outcrop with a rock wall.
>>2262756Based, cheap, proven, mobile, WARM, no drainage issues, easy to repair, no IR signature. Everything worth doing re: simple dwellings has been done so copy success.
>>2262759Yeah the only downside is that it provides absolutely zero protection from the cold. An underground home will be naturally insulated and a million times more comfy than your freezing moss pile.
>>2262756>no goyim you can build underground bukers >build this cucktent instead
>>2262805The purpose of tipis, hogans etc is protection from cold and they work. OP is not going to build an underground home anywhere. Near zero larpdreamerfaggots who infest /diy/ are but if homeless or just bored they can get it out of their system with a quick tipi.If want serious underground protection copy WWI German entrenchments. Fast, not difficult, you can actually use old pallets for deckboards or cut some trees for corduroy trench bottoms and they even protect against shell fire. An e-tool, saw, axe, hammer and nails will get the job done. >>2262827You aren't going to build a bunker. You faggots don't build anything just chant memes. Post bunker with timestamp or gargle hobonuts. OP specified dwelling in national forest. That means when it's discovered it will be destroyed. Mobile shelters are easier to replace but you don't care because memes and you're retarded.
>>2261943Argentina, Hawaii. Good luck, bunkerfag. Bring a thicc bunkerlass in there and procreate. There's pornstars living under the streets of Las Vegas if you'd like to join the molepeople movement. Come armed.
keep it simple. 5 foot wide interiors, however long you can get away with (well over 20 if you have a mini tractor) cap it with a concrete foundation thats a few feet wider than the walls on each sidebury it under a few feet of dirt, put mounds of dirt/stone with bushes around the entry/vent this will hide the entry very wellalso, poop/pee in the forest
>>2263056How is OP getting all that into a national forest? OP is homeless or building a meth lab.
>>2263068Some men simply want to dig.
>>2263068How do you know op is homeless?
>>2260728>Stone, bronze, iron, and roman era civilizations burned bodies."Roman era" is bronze and iron age, anon. And at least the germanic/scandinavian cultures often buried their dead either in barrows or in peats through the stone, copper, bronze and iron age.
>>2260575In keeping with >>2261002How well would a small brush encampment fare when connected to some eroded ledge like this? Think like the slanted encampments you see in survival videos all the time
>>2262569>trying to force a dead meme with an even deader memeEpic cringe desu
>>2263425>small brush encampmentBest because it can be abandoned at the drop of a hat and easily rebuilt in a safer spot with no tools.
Fake dead tree or cement "rock" concealing your hideout. Best way to build it is to do so at night. There was an episode a few years ago in the UK where hobos dug out a hideaway in a public park. the entrance was in the middle of some bushes. they worked at night and used wheelie bins to cart away the dirt. flew under the radar so well, even though it was next to GCHQ they didnt even know about it. I would strictly borrow the method from the "$50 Underground house" book. Use timber felled on site. Backup would be to use part of an abandoned mine in a ghost town. You'd spend the most effort locating a viable hide off the main shaft and securing a route, but once you did youd be golden. Stash the necessary climbing equipment on site, put up your own warning signs to keep casuals away.
>>2263457See this image for more information.
>>2263479>Hiker gets lost in park>Sits down on stump to catch breath>Looney toons hijinks ensue
>>2262759>teepee>no IR signatureThat's stupid. How do you think the West was won?
>>2263481More like>hiker really has to shit>sees a convenient stump that has a conveniently carved put hole in it that seems to go down a ways>????>OP now has explosive shit in his furnace
>>2263522antivaxxer injuns mostly
>>2263528Who takes a shit on a tree stump? The last place I'm putting my ass is over a dark hole that's more than likely filled with spiders or some other critter. Plus, the hole just has to be big enough to expell the smoke, doesn't need to be big enough to shit down.
>>2262756basic apache design, kept them hidden from the comanche. might not work in the north like it does in the southwest, as trees dont grow wide there.
>>2260681Well shit, you might need the warranty
>>2263427>crying about dead memes>epicThe cave will provide you with nothing, nonbeliever.
>>2260575Here you go bro. This guy from /lit/ lives in a tiny shack on BLM land in california.He buys food at Walmart and hikes 2 days to his cabin. He works on local ranches for a few $ here and there. His shack was preserved from a recent fire by god. It was burned all around it but not itself.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFiAt3O1PAw
>>2262704Yea man just bury a shipping container out in the national forest bro. What are you going to move the container with?
>>2261956>I hate eco friendly shitI want to know why.
>>2264001How has he lived so openly above ground for so long? I was told that BLM satellites and Blackhawk dropped park rangers would've arrested him by now.
>>2261956>>2264114I use disposable plastic everything after having to listen to so many ecofaggots whine about stupid shit like straws. I also refuse to recycle. I support my local landfill, not chinese bulk trash buyers.
>>2264284He's living with permission on private property and lying about being an outlaw for the views.
>>2260623Bro you don't fuck with the cave enclave. introduce yourself before you get killed. There's alot of us and our network is far reaching and quite capableWe had a huge thread about this a month ago. The cave provides but must be respected
>>2264114for me it's the people. to live a life of net zero impact on the environment is probably closest achieved by the homeless. The average American is so far beyond any level of sustainability that the fact someone can ditch bottled war and claim superiority to anyone else is absurd. Recently listened to my sister tell my aunt she 'really needs to stop buying bottled water' in my aunts own home while 4 of my sisters empty beer cans littered the counter top. The lack of critical thinking coupled with the shaming of others to follow suit and holier than thou attitude is infuriating.
>>2264353So you prefer the company of homeless?
>>2262704>buying into the shipping container meme >burying it under enough soil to cave it in>thinking burying a shipping container will go unnoticed on federal land >calling other people retards
>>2264295Pretty edgy bro
>>2262756Seems like that could light up easy after it's been dryed by a few fires, careful out there anons.
>>2260685I'm not Jewish.
>>2260575The first problem is going to be infil and exfil- as soon as you visit the site three times you're going to leave tracks.After a week your scent will attract scavenging animalsPark rangers are looking for people doing this because they are looking for drugs caches.second issue is drainage- anything underground is liable to become a pond.Water seeks through the soil sideways when it rains, can flow up from the floor if the water table rises (like, if you built in a marsh or next to a river)if you're not actually in the structure, drainage is a huge issue.If you're in a trench you put duck boards down, a sink hole and bail the trench out with a bucket- not fun.Third issue is getting building materials in, because if you just start cutting down trees rangers will notice pretty quick.They are always looking out for illegal logging, and when they see the size of the trees they will assume something is being built in the vicinity."sir why are you carrying a bag of cement into a national park?"
>>2264471i pefer the company of people that are realists and not preachy. and if they are preachy, they better damn well be near homeless, leading by example
>>2264353>to live a life of net zero impact on the environment is probably closest achieved by the homelessAnon confirmed for never actually having dealt with homeless people.
>>2263068Through means of donkey or other beasts of burden?
>>2262585That means our numbers have doubled. Can you say the same, surface dweller?
>>2261929shuffle it through underground cave systems and water-ways.
>>2263479That chimney's gonna be a bitch to keep clean.
>>2260575Are you shot posting or really thinking about doing this? It can be done, by kingdom come! Love shot like this, FUCK rent and a house payment if you can avoid it!
>>2260601What god damn MUPPET said to bury a shipping container??? In a national forrest? Go to bed.
>>2264615jews prefer a simple pine box with drain holes on the bottom so the body decomposes as quickly as possible.
>>2266660That and the plain pine box is cheaper
Everyone's talking about trying to keep things hidden, but didn't that one guy spend like 10 years in the woods in Maine (I think) living in a fucking walmart tent? He was found just a few years back because he was breaking into richfag summer homes to steal flour and shit.Why didn't he get spotted by these super spy satellites and rangerfaggots?
>>2266664granted, but they still find ways to spend too much money on it.
>>2263264If he had a house he probably wouldn't be looking to live in a hole in the woods.
>>2260575none of these meet your criteria exactly, and only one is illegal but>rv or camper van>teepee or tent (tents can get pretty large and crazy)>make something look like an old abandoned house or log cabin, if you're far enough away nobody will know
>>2266678>gets found by a covid19 anal swab drone
>>2260991>boredomhow do you get bored?
Best bet is to make a trash can shelter. Bring that, pile dirt and shrubbery over it. Boom. You have a dry and durable home that will last 20 years.
>>2264295>I use disposable plastic everything>I don't support chinese bulk trash buyersHoly shit you're literally like drooling on yourself retarded. You realize you're buying bulk Chinese garbage and and putting microplastics into your own local land and water right? Like your supporting chinks and poisoning yourself.
>>2260575> Underground bunker> In a forest1. Build a bunker2. Weaken the root system of surrounding trees during digging3. Tree falls on door during the first good storm4. Trapped inside5. Starves to death because nobody knows where he isSociety is a group exercise for a reason.
>>2260924>federal ran cartels not getting shut down by the feds
>>2270269Oh i love it anon seeing your work made my nightSweet dreams, godspeed
>>2260959>The cave providesIf you know, you know
what exactly is this thread asking? it seems like were supposed to come up with some farcical heist movie plot about sneaking stones past police.im assuming nobody is going to try to build a hidden bunker in some heavily guarded areajust bring the dirt you dig 100 yards away from the hole and spread it around, there, problem solved
>>2262585Shun the non believer
>>2260575Best would be in a hillside, spend the time/money to properly camouflage the entrance into a fake boulder or something. Might have to get a Hollywood set designer onboard, kinda like the hobbit with that keyhole.Radon is a problem on the east coast but there aren't too many national forests here. You'd struggle to get windows/lighting in there, any Hollywood magic to conceal a window would break down over time. At best you could make shutters that camo windows and just only use windows during times you feel you wont be bothered.Any heat plumes would likely be noticed the first time a search helicopter flys over so you'd need to conceal the fireplaces exhaust.In your head you think you'll get an aging milf mommy setup like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix11VQ8f7uYBut in reality you'll just be a homeless man getting robbed of 75% of your net worth like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLAM-wChxYBest way to get away with it is to buy raw land in the boonies and make these improvements and camo it as best you can. Park your car on the edge of the property with no visible trail to the dwelling. Then you delay the county building inspectors from finding it for as long as possible.
>>2270796Is that dude your cave meme mascot or some shit? What the fuck does he have to do with caves?
>>2268036There's no way Australia is really that high up, everyone here is absolutely retarded.
>>2270984they've got almost as many chinese per capita as new zealand, so it sounds right to me
>>2270269Didnt even see the container inner wall until nowKekola
>>2266671Anon that don't break out the spy satellites until you shoot one of them in self defense or slander the antichrist.
>>2260575My car, parked under a bridge.
>>2260575Bump keep it alive
>>2262708bravery is making a mausoleum made of granite for a shell of what used to be a human because despite believing in heaven I can't cope with the loss of a loved one?Go suck a dick
> 100" or so culvert pipe >spend some time to cut a trail >bring equipment and materials by sled or atv to the building site at night>dig trench, lay pipe, cover pipe, get the equipment out - this can take 1 or 2 days max>now you can build the rest of your dwelling at a leisurely pace with hand tools
>>2260580Can't you make a special box lined with tin foil for your phone if you must bring it?
Whats the best way to build an illegal home?Also here is the only option there is. Anon smoked shower drain left overs again...
Bdndnfnsncn damn sum
>>2260681>Provides security for your loved onesWhat are they gonna do, die?
>>2268036Hell yeah Estonia
>>2260991>his hobbies consist of masturbating to tranny porn and playing fancy versions of SimonGet some real hobbies, you dumb faggot
>>2263479that boulder door would weigh a couple hundred lbs
>>2273657You seem like a light hearted fellow.
>>2270977He’s a legendary spelunker. Just ask yer mum.
>>2260575National forest? Some guy built a squirrel's nest on a tall ledge at the bottom of a very steep hill at a creek across the street from my old place. I saw it before it collapsed. Perfectly camouflaged from up top, just looks like a some leaves. Walking through the creek you would have to climb a good 8-10 foot rock wall to get to it or even see it. If not for his gallon jug dump half a mile away nobody would have ever known, and it still took 5 years.
>>2273347>>2261947they'll get partially dug up once land is at a premium and then an entire high rise will be built on top of them
>>2261230Your lack of faith blinds you.
>>2274308> Man Discovered Living In Bunker For Years With Large Weapon Stockpile> Within the bunker were four firearms, three knives, a grill, propane tanks, a generator, tools and canned goods. There was also a bow with arrows crafted from snowplow stakes>large>stockpile
>>2260575Copy prefab Albanian bunkers then bring one innawoods by truck.
>>2274329they say shit like this all the time. couple years ago there was a guy who got stopped at a toll booth for having like 1000 rounds of shotgun ammo. media tried painting him as some right wing extremist, but anyone who shoots knows it's not unreasonable to buy in bulk.
>>2263056pick an area of forest with hills, make sure said area with hills doesn't have collapsing/pit formation issues from things like limestone decay and gypsum formationspick a hill with some stone in it,collect local rocks/stone from same region(don't take all the rocks in an area, will attract wild geologists and rangers, especially the pretty/expensive ones)dig that dirt, COMPACT THAT DIRT, mix local clay and sand/small pebbles with said dirt and mix with wood ash/make your own concreteuse wood to hold up dirt in your dirt/stone/clay cave make dome of concrete(outside layer right by the clay, with stones and mortar for the actual dome strength), do it to the tophave the entrance go in at an angle from outside, look like a natural opening, go around a bend before going into your home, now you just need to have a fan/venting going on(or at least a small opening on the other side again not directly outside both for water and light/notice prevention)even better if you can make a "abandoned bear/coyote(if not trapped/hunted/tagged) den, remember to make it look like some dirt fell from the ceiling, walkin in/out of your home on sharp pogosticks with brush to prevent notice of footprints/hidden climbing hooks to just swing through your distraction/nothing to see hear factoralso make multiple animal huts some distance from your home in a hill with some aromatic foods to have actual animals for thermal/eating coverhave a permanent(dirty plastic(brown/greyish)) puddle/pond on your hillside for bird/thermal cover for the vent, maybe let it runaway algae bloom)you WILL be noticed by someone, BUT whether they'll connect it to a person will increase with frequent movement to/from your hole in the hill, travel for food/water and other thingsThermally everyone and their dog shit shows up via drones(North/South Dakota AND MInnesota have recently and currently done repeated drone usage to map human activity for military/government purposes)
>>2270816area with multiple hills(preferable old ice shelf formation), watch for gypsum/limestone deposits in area, to prevent sinkholes/collapsesstudy up and research animal shelters, bears, foxes, coyotes(this is important, generally easy to get coyote trapping/hunting/free meat permission in most areas, also gives reason to be in areafind good hill, water will NOT collect in hill shelter, large mass of dirt(clay and stone a MUST HAVE)while hunting/trapping coyotes/trash fish(invasive, no fishing/eating caps generally, have reason for campfire/shelterdig into hill at an angle sideways, UP and then turn to prevent direct light/sighting into your hole in a hill, reuse wood beams hidden in campfire logs to hold up roof while you use local(wide area/river stream/while digging, mix with sand and clay and refried shells/clay/wood ash to have steady supply of mortar and concreteline hill home with clay, have layer of concrete immediately besides rock(cracked all smooth edges) and mortar wallshave smaller hole disguised as a rabbit warren off to the sides for air flow(again no direct lines out, curved/bendy a must) not that large opening plus the multiple smaller openings naturally draws air throughout your homefor opening and rabbit warrens, actually plant remains/poo from your rabbit/coyote hunting and recreate their holes/warrens/etcnow that ranger will go, oh that's just that coyote/rabbit/crapfish crazy guys latest/old hunting spot and since you didn't make the tunnel/holes straight into the hill hide-hole you have some heat signature coverage, old tracks coverage(not everyday in/out travel unless winter and you do a shit ton of brushing and bellyflopping into and out of your new home(snow tracks, even covered up with snow are visible from plane/drone/satellite)have well/water supply gravel stream off shoot with clay and plants to cover it(have a small overflow waterfall off to the side for atmosphere and protection of tracking)
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/mar/05/invisible-city-how-homeless-man-built-life-underground-bunker-hampstead-heaththis cracker managed to do it in the middle of london, what's stopping you lot?
>>2260959>repliesI know this is a boomer board but show some fucking decorum
>>2260924Find a deep crevice in between two sloping sides about 40 feet across tops at above ceiling height with rocky trickel of runoff in low center. Dig a very straight ditch to handle ten times the normal low flow rate. Dig a hole off to the side of ditch about two or three feet deep as well as round and line with stacked flat rocks in a circle that tapers out at top. beyond this mini well put in another large and straight overflow ditch. Line area about 3 feet above runoff drainage ditches and well with logs across ravine being sure they're long enough to reach into adjacent hillside and settle so in the end you've created a suspended floor feet above the runoff and well. Leave or make an access hole in log floor to the "basement" and well and eventually other added amenities in 3' foot crawl space. If needed shore up bouncy floor with stone dry stack off to side of drainage. Next as close as you can get to the top string large logs across ceiling in same way as floor until small deep narrow valley is disappearing under log ceiling. Once at end slope logs out at low pitch to create natural looking end wall slopes that are almost level on top end and long and gradually sloping at bottom until almost completely covered. Next get large black heavy tarp plastic and cover entire log cover. Make reasonable hole for runoff underneath, and entry at top. Cover with brush piles or make to look natural with stone. Completely cover plastic with a thin layer of top soil. In cases of soil sliding because slope Terrace with weaved saplings to hold soil in place. Moisten soil and transplant mosses and low lying plant life all over visible structure until two small hills are now one hump. Enter to dry floor. Make fire pit on top end opening of structure and cover with heavy brush when not in use. Make this depression in top of hill unappealing to get down in. Do this with honey locusts branches covered in huge woody thorns or disguise as an animal den hole. Enjoy
>>2260575Glownigger data mining operation?
>>2260991Video games our more like our ancient more nature connected magical lives than the mostly safe regimented modern world existence. Think about it. What do you do in all video games? Hunt, gather, explore, hoard, solve problems, battle adversaries, up your power levels, compete, enter new strange environments full of surprises and mysteries that you observe, learn from, and in time become master of and navigate effortlessly. Being secluded and surviving in nature is all of these wrapped into one. Only difference is the reality of the physical toll this game takes and the stakes are much higher, there is no pause, often only one attempt is tolerated, and death is real. Also the appearance, setting, and challenges are different everytime you play and has endlessly different scenarios that are not limited to finite programing. Additionally, no matter how great the game it rarely if ever will provide you with some bizarre once in a lifetime experience that makes you feel as if you've had an experience completely magical and unique to you in that moment before it disappears forever. No two people will ever have that same experience because it can't be duplicated the same ever again. Games artificially provide us with the feeling of operating on our primitive hunter gather level and presents us with pseudo danger and meaningless rewards but through duplicated scenarios, using duplication and fixed surroundings through a finite realm with finite possibilities. Secluded pioneering or homesteading IS the mother of everything video games are built on.
>>2261216Ever see the story about the fed up with overpriced housing Brit that built the underground shelter in a major city park in London? Lived there like a year or so before his partner broke some discretionary ground rule that exposed and alerted someone to its existence/location and got him busted. Up till then prime downtown real-estate for free. Lived in nature with beat Torries strolling by just tens of meters away.
>>2261540Could find that Miller maxwell for a year in a house you can likely see from space in the Hamptons. People still stumble onto lost archeological sites in North America and around the world regularly to this day. Many famous Kings, scholars, iconic figures have burials yet to be discovered. Nobody got a single security camera footage of Tupac's killer in the city closest to a bank next to maybe the "City" of London. I think your root cellar isn't likely to get Ruby Ridged anytime soon.
>>2261666Or a poodle sitting on top of you with oblivious dog owner end up in your living room from erosion causing structural weakness. Karen would go full kidnapped, drug into dungeon, assaulted on you and youd be half ecoterrorist half creepy stranger danger on sacred Federal land and Federal Crime.
>>2261839Just because no women gopher you hitting them is no reason to traumatize and warp the wild animals.
>>2260688this is absolute horseshit. a tanker car? sure. stupid ass rectangle? Maybe up to like 10ft with confidence. That is not a load bearing shape (besides stacking others on top of it). that far down is difficult for the largest budget professional digs
>>2260831look for places where there were mines, and then for what looks like a fucking mine.
>>2263056poop and peeing in the woods would get noticed pretty quickly. and laying concrete.
>>2268036why is china the only country with a citation an d " ( ) "
>>2266674>they Oh anon ...
>>2262686>10 years, going out into the woods will not be a viable option for people who want to fuck off from society.Looks like you're gonna have to man up and fight for your freedom if you can't run and hide from globohomo.
>>2273462If Estonians are so smart, why is Estonia a poor shithole?
>>2276792Every place was poor at some point but soon Estonia will be a shining beacon of hope and idol for all of Europe and the world!
>>2260605What do you mean by "you prop it up". Prop what up?
>>22743621000 rounds is like a week at the range depending what you're shooting.
>>2261230if its an undiscovered cave the entrance is already sufficiently concealed
>>2277552based and comfy bookmade a diorama of the tree he lived in when I was a kid.
>>2260623>>2260681>>2260688>>2261929>>2262739>>2262756>>2263056Why do these keep reapearing in every thread? Word for word they are the same.
>>2271130>>2266671>>2260575The ridiculous ideas in this thread. The guy lived illegally in the woods for 27 years and this pic is his gross ass trash camp that no one found. Everyone in here is being ridiculous.
>>2278610I think the difference is that he had just enough trash to build a makeshift fort that would hide the light from his trash fires
>>2270816Thanks for the videos interesting :)
>>2260991Its probably better if you have someone to do it with, like a partner. Then you can just fuck all day
>>2260632the problem is Google and the drones. today they use drones and look on Google earth
>>2260991Boredom is a symptom of living an unfulfilled life that goes against the rules of nature and the will of God. When you live a life that follows those doctrines, merely "being" is enough to sate that boredom.
>>2282753>t. Boring Asshole
>>2283720It's a shame you need to live in a fantasy to justify your extremely uninteresting life. Just embrace it.
>>2260575If it's going underground, it basically needs concrete walls; assuming you're not buying / building a bomb shelter or going for a water storage tank.The task would be how to most easily dig a big hole and then pour and cover the crete as quietly and quickly as possible.Using preformed concrete for the bulk may be an idea for speed as crete takes around four weeks to fully cure; i.e. before the roof is poured over it.
>>2260575Step 1: cover yourself in oil
>>2260575Step 1: grab a shovel and a pickaxe.Step 2: read the bookStep 3: Scout for a locationStep 4: start amassing materialsStep 5: ????Step 6: Live in your comfy house.
>>2276205>two left handsAnatomically accurate
Hello guys.I digged a hole to sleep in the forest. I just have enough space for me. The difficulty seems to find the right way to cover myself from rain and maybe eyes (I don't want to simply put a tarp) and to make sure the inside is clean for my clothes (wool mostly). So inside I will put a gross wool big blanket but I don't know for the roof. Any advice. inb4 I needed to dig for the good spot and to make sure trees don't fall on me (I won't be trapped inside)Any help will be welcome.-cheap budget, environmental, simple, hidden
>>2285995Your biggest short term issue is IR (infra-red). Cover the mound with a foil blanket, then put 6-inches of soil over that.
>>2286058Who use infrared ? I'm a frog so I doubt they will bust me with it. Maybe in case of antivaxx chase kekDo I only need some on the roof ? Could it make it waterproof ?
>>2286312>Who use infrared?Globohomo>I'm a frogThat makes it worse. >Maybe in case of antivaxx chaseYes.>Do I only need some on the roof?Yes.>Could it make it waterproof?Put it under the waterproof layer.
>>2286407Thank you anon you gave me motivation to finish it. It was raining today and the temporary tarp didn't maintain itself. And I fear the fact it's in the earth will not help for it being waterproof. And making a solid roof with only branches is difficult. So I will make it small for me to sleep and sit inside and only that, I don't need more. Thanks
>>2260575>go to one of many abandoned mineshafts in national land>bust in, put your own locks on the gates>smuggle in living necessities, be careful to make it seem abandoned still>live lifeexpert mode>steal power off the grid>run an underground knock-off Michael Jordan shoe factory full of kidnapped chinamen>use the profits to buy real home
>>2260575dig a hole fell some trees hide your chimney in an old stump
>>2260601This is not a question you want answered in a 4chan thread. Smart people with 20+ years of education spend their whole careers working on problems like this.
>>2260601Reinforced concrete on all sides.
>>2286543All that money and this dumbass tried hiding out in a cuck hole.
How can you remain undetected from Synthetic Aperture RADAR s ans?
>>2262629Learn to identify limestone, choose an area with limestone and a suitable aggregate, create a kiln, which could be done with just a few cement bags, create your own quick lime, if you found a spot with sand and limestone, odds are its a river, now you have water. Profit. I was thinking of this summer making something out of stone, far from a bunker, but just a shed basically to learn it. Maybe take it up as a trade. If I was to attempt this, I would do as said with the own production of quicklime, and make it go further with suitable stone.
>>2286939Attempt the bunker idea I mean, won't do that for my summer project unless mortar costs alot.
>>2286751assets arent useful if theyre frozen as well as the coalition willing to fuckin vaporize everything in their airspace that isnt theirs. only hope my man had was driving to syria as soon as the tomahawks started flying, and syria probably didnt wanna get buttfucked for harboring him when you had dubya the conqueror in full invasion mode.
>>2260685The soul can't find its way to heaven if you cremate the body RETARD!!!!
>>2262759>>2263522No interracial signature?
>>2260685>Cremation is a million times cheaperyou'd think. its about the same cost
>>2288146Plastic surgery, liposuction...change everything. Have the cucks working at the passport office make you a new identity.
>>2288159What a load of bullshit.
>>2288159No, the real issue is the resurrection at the end of time. We're all supposed to raise from the dead with bodies intact and all.The real reason why Christians were banned was not thinking cremation was any worse than being eaten by worms, it's that cremation was practiced as an expression of denial of the resurrection. Christians nowadays are allowed to be cremated as long as there is no doubt that they do in fact believe in the general resurrection.
So guys I digged my hole in the forest. It's not very good. Inside, there is earth, friable and sandy. I don't know how to cover it. It rained for two days now and it retains the water quite good but at the same time in the corners, there is muddy earth and overall I get sand everywhere, I doubt I could stay without becoming a very dirty hobo, and not to mention laying and sleeping. Also the earth seems very slightly humid everywhere.I think I'm gonna try making something in the trees, like a plateform. pic related is before I put earth on it
>>2290398Do you know if I can save that or I need to start something else ?
>>2288159>Death is the separation of the soul from the body>B-but the soul wont find its way to heaven if you burn it b-b-because uh... because reasons!!!everyday for two thousand years christcucks find a new way to be retarded
>>2263479You need a mechanical bear to look like it's sleeping in the foyer.
>>2290398Everything worth doing has been perfected. DIY a hammock with a proper rain fly then tie between trees and you won't get wet. Hammocks are ideal for DIY. Holes are stupid for camping unless you need a real foxhole to avoid getting kill, and then you get to bail those out. Military TMs cover how to dig useful holes as that is not intuitive. Study success or be stupid, choose one.
>>2260688I'm legit thinking of buying a 5 acre plot out in the nevada desert and I think you've just showed me how to build the main living space
>>2291877Go forth and prosper.>>2276512You should probably lurk a little more.
>>2273733five years for the possession of a weapon that they couldn't even prove was hisall that investigation time and money in what was the home of a houseless personabsolutely egregious penalty and behavior from the judicial system no wonder people make jokes about loicenses for knivesfucking glad the lot of them is out of the eu
illegal SEX challenge hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! fr
OP is a drooling idiot and long gone.To answer the totally hypothetical question posed-1. Get a job as a ranger2. Buy a premade bunker made from >>2261929 they already have stairs, ventilation, and furniture molded in.3. File paperwork that gets deleted afterwards4. have bunker installed. Replant area.5. Bribe anyone who notices it happen.This is still idiotically retarded and doomed to failure, but this is 4chins where NEETs shitpost out of boredom in between jerking sessions.On the plus side, the $50 house book was mentioned, and I read 'My Side of the Mountain' many times.
>>2292434>>2292434elec nxt to toilets fucking moron
>>2276810Oversimplified bit you'd use props
>>2288210Not if you build a pyre and toss the corpse on it.The main cost of a cremation is the box you put the dead meat and bones in before setting it on fire. Really, other than a fire that will turn the thing to ash there is no need for any of the other shite that goes along with cremations.
>>2260685>>2260728>>2292443Don't worry, Trigard has you covered there as well. For some reason.
>>2260950This is indeed the kind of things stopping most of my outdoor projects. Cameras, SAR & radars, pic taking drones, etc.At best, I should dig some tunnel in my property and keep hiding shit with wild plants/vines/etc, yet it could be noticed by locals (or shit like this: >>2263481 ).Also, I have my fair share of stuck projects.Will I be ready when things will go south?
>>2261478>Sandy Loam>WHO IS SHE?!!?!I keked way too hard
>>2260831how>go anywhere>look around you>is there a hole in the ground/mountain/hill?>Yes >>> Congratulations, you found a mine>No >>>Keep searching.
>>2292434I brought you peasants into a blessed bunker thread. Have some respect. I haven't gone anywhere.
>>2260575This would never work I've hiked camped kayak almost every national Forest in the United States they employ almost 10,000 rangers. When I'm back woods camping is when I'm on the lookout for rangers the most when you least expect that they pop up. They crawl all over those national parks there's not one inch of that place that doesn't get looked at during the summer and if you're trying to live in some place you going to leave tons of signs around if they think you're in there they're just going to release hounds to find out where you're at. Most of the rangers discover your camp because of smoke and sound when you're chopping wood. Anything near Blue ridge mountains is going to be the most wild in my experience I once went 4 days without seeing anybody in nantahala Forest.
>>2261943No no! Come to the UP! Take up in a copper mine! They are actually great at filtering the mentally ill and the poor planners out of society. When your bones settle at the bottom of the nearest shaft, you will not be alone.
>>2261221Cities are part of the environment you ultra retard. And at the least get affected by it.Think of chinas smog cities where they have a huge fucking screen to show sunrises so the bugmen dont kill themselves.Being good to the envrionment is to stop shit like that from becoming more common, and spreading further from cities.
>>2293895>Cities are part of the environment you ultra retardnah
Bumping from certain death
>>2260831Avoid looking for new mines. That should narrow down your search for old mines
>>2260685 I feel about the same way, there is no real point for this crap, if I get the final say when I die I don't want my body to be pumped full shit and shoved in a box, I want my body left out to be eaten by scavenger birds
>>2286751>believing the official storyGood goy.
Most likely you wouldn't be able to steal power without leading it to yourself.
>>2292439I like this guy
>>2268036Poland strong& wise nation
>>2276800>inb4 annexed by Russia in the next 10 years
>>2260649>implying woods above ground are any better
>>2260995i bet a computer told you that
>>2279906he never lit fires out of fear of getting caught. anons could never do what he did, they would give in to the comforting embrace of a cold death
>>2260688Got a metal detector for my birthday. Check mate!
>>2291877you probably don't want to be on a metal box in a desert.
>>2263479surely its pretty fucking inconspicuous having a treestump producing a smoke column all winter, dingus.
>>2298357mist the exhaust inside with water to knock smoke down>inb4 what about steam?just make the path longer / increase flow to keep cool / condense>inb4 where to get wateruse piss>inb4 where to get pisssnow / river>inb4 someone sitting on itget it zoned as environmental anomaly
I have a hidden bunker nearby, it is welded shut. Wanted to explore it but i have no idea how to cut the welds. Angle grinder was too loud and weak
>>2298472Is it on your property, someone else's private property, public, or federal?
>>2298480The door is slightly open, can i use some clay to close the crack? >>2298483Old ww2 bunker in italy. not mine but don't care. It is deep in the woods and the entrance is grown over with plants
>>2298493Cool. I'd go for it then. If you had power an angle grinder would still be your best bet, because battery powered will probably shit out after 15 minutes. Take a battery powered drill with a good bit, make a hole, so you know how deep it is. Bonus, you can stick a tiny inspection camera through so you at least know if it's already collapsed in there, or otherwise filled in. Before you cut the door open.
>>2298501Good idea. I have already weakened most of the welds with a drill. And there is a gunport on the outside where i could see inside. Looks still goodHow about a oxygen torch? and how can i weld it shut again? just a few spots so no children go inside or something
>>2298509>How about a oxygen torch?If you mean oxy-acetylene or oxy-LP they'll make short work of such things with little noise. Clear off any nearby flammables and have a shovel handy for putting out smol fires.Practice on scrap at home first.
>>2298527sorry meant oxygen lance, I also have a oxy-propane torch, if that gets hot enough
>>2298509Update us with your discoveries. I'd be right there helping you if I could. Cool project.
>>2276512Try googling the guy's name.
>>2260575>2. Must be practical. You'll be transporting all material and doing all work in a remote part of the forest.You've never hiked more than a few miles, aight?
>>2276792>If Americans are so smart, why is the US a poor shithole?
>>2293820>I once went 4 days without seeing anybody in nantahala Forest.it's not about whether you see them, it's about whether they see you. >they will search every blade of grass>bumped into them driving down roaddon't tell me you used predefined foot trails like a total npc?
>>2260580Why should anyone try to locate your phone unless you're a wanted man?
>>2260580>your phone's GPS will betray you.That's not actually how it works. Every few seconds the phone talks to each tower in range, decides which tower to use based on signal strength. All of the towers record the unique id of the phone, and what the signal strength was. The network provider who runs those towers has a log of this, and using that can estimate your location down to a few blocks. So even if you have a dumb-phone, or messed with the onboard GPS or disabled the onboard GPS, they will still have a record of where the phone was. It's true for anything that talks to a cellular network, not just phones. Zero ways around it if you have any cellular communication at all. This includes phones with no service, since the network providers have to allow them to make 911 calls. Also includes things like onstar in a car, again, even without service. A laptop with a builtin cellular connectivity, even without service. I think kindle3g will loose their network this year, but if the tower still has radios that can talk to it, those as well.You get the idea.
>>2298973>Why should anyone try to locate your phone unless you're a wanted man?They don't locate just one phone. It's a lot of work to go through, so much paperwork, and what if you filled it out for the wrong suspect? No. They can do the same amount of paperwork to request the phone and movement of everyone that was in these areas at these times, and your info gets hoovered up and included.
>>2273733>>2291893This was the "gun" btw
>>2263747after 2020 and 2021, no jokes with that
>>2273301Just keep it tuned off and it is enough. They are not magical tracers.
This is like the guy on /out/ who died
>>2276211cool story, bro
>>2264284it's private property but he's allowed
>>2276204Jesus, dude, was your family murdered by a ravenous pack of wild proper paragraph formating?
>>2293895Cities are an abomination that completely overides anything natural. They are a black hole of resources that trains people live as livestock with an ever growing reliance on the government. The average person that lives in the city has 1.5 days of food. If the constant flood of food ever stopped. People would be starving in 3 days. The only thing you can do to "help the environment" is recycle and it's so minimum it's embarrassing to even pretend you care.
>>2261868Two words. National forest.
>>2260575OP best method so far1. choose a location of naturally occurring curvature2. put a galvanized culvert pipe in the curvature( they come in many sizes and are strong and used to make underground bunkers)3. cover it up4. enjoy
>>2301203Show me where I can buy that. That shit probably costs 20k, right?
>>2276512I can't believe that anthropologist Sam Hyde would lie to us
>>2301009>>2301009Humans are natural, so anything we do is natural.Would you call a termite mound unnatural? A bird nest? We are just better at doing the same thing they do, taking what's available and make it into something.
>>2301340I thought shipping containers are pretty expensive too.And just imagine transporting that anywhere.All these delusional idiots thinking they can build a somewhat comfortable bunker in the remote wilderness smfh.Forget about transporting all your shit into bumblefuck nowhere.Are you just gonna dig that shit up by hand? That is a fuckton of manual labour. If you wanna build a "bunker" innawoods you'll literally have a hole which you can crawl into. Sounds uncomfy as shit to me
>>2292518>Also, I have my fair share of stuck projects.>Will I be ready when things will go south?You choose project you know will go south out of self-sabotage.
>>2264042Harness it to the imitation crabs before harvesting them for meat. Has /diy/ taught you nothing?
>>2264781The classic burden beast is often found in Walmarts. Germans call them Schlampeegs and harness teams (thing oxen made of cellulite) to tow boats along the Rhine. In the US they're referred to as "swamp donkeys" whose bleating during blacking season brings to mind a burning sea lion. They can carry roughly a ton of cargo in their guntfolds without use of cargo nets or strapping, and respond to moon pies as food rewards.
>>2260580>if not your phone's GPS will betray youWhat phone?