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Is the materials shortage real or just manufactured hype to justify raised prices?
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>>2202291
oMg aLl tHe tHiNgS
QuIcK! wE NeEd gLoBoHoMo cOmMuNiSm rIgHt aWaY!!
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>>2202498
Can someone explain the globohomo communism meme? The only 'successful' socialist countries are the ones with isolationist policies. Aren't capitalist countries the ones obsessed with globalization?
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>>2202505
Two sides of the same jewish coin, really. One has you being controlled by corporations, the other has you controlled by the state. Neither situation is a win for the people of the nation.
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>>2202291
>s the materials shortage real or just manufactured hype to justify raised prices?
Both.
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>>2202527
>One has you being controlled by corporations, the other has you controlled by the state
is there even a difference?
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>>2202535
also
>Gottlieb, who is Jewish
https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/fda-head-scott-gottlieb-a-vaping-opponent-stepping-down-after-2-years
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>>2202291
I work for a menards lumberyard, so here's my understanding:
Lumber companies don't produce on demand, they make an estimate of how much lumber they need to produce for the next year.
For example:
>in 2019, they estimated that 2020 would be a totally normal year, so they produced *roughly* the same amount of lumber as the previous year.
>lockdowns happened, and people were stuck at home
>people start buying more wood to do home improvement and other crafts
>price goes up 130% but it wasn't too bad
Then in the end of 2020:
>lumber producers assume that lockdowns and virus fearmongering will be gone by 2021
>produce normal amount of lumber
>the opposite happens
>normal supply of lumber, but SUPER high demand
>price of wood skyrockets because most of the wood is bought up within a month
>remaining wood has to be marked up so it isn't completely sold out for the rest of the year
>nobody buys because it's expensive as fuck
>construction companies quit taking new projects
>a single family home that normally costs $100,000 to build in my state now costs over $600,000
>price begins to lower with the seasons, contractors stop doing new projects later in the summer
>people no longer building decks, fences, barns, sheds, etc.
>price almost back to normal

TLDR: Lumber was produced based on an underestimation of how high the demand would be from the lockdowns.

Now that the producers have seen this occur, they got a taste of price gouging, and they could easily force the price up if they wanted to.
All they have to do is purposely underestimate the amount of lumber to produce, which will let them sell less wood for an even higher price.
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>>2202291
From what i know, its the latter
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>>2202505
>Aren't capitalist countries the ones obsessed with globalization?
People who post this garbage dont care about glaring contradictions and outright falsities in their buzzwords or arguments.
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>>2202505
schizos gonna schizo, don't bother pointing out flaws in their logic or you'll be called a tranny zionist shill
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>>2202551
>Now that the producers have seen this occur, they got a taste of price gouging, and they could easily force the price up if they wanted to.
>All they have to do is purposely underestimate the amount of lumber to produce, which will let them sell less wood for an even higher price.

fortunately, stuff like lumber is one area where there *are* protective government regulations in place.
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>>2202291
unlimited units of debt being issued by the FED and central banks around the world chasing finite amount of goods & pumping up stocks.
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>>2203022
Here's where you're supposed to realize that graph is totally fake and doesn't matter

None of it is real
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>>2202505
Globohomo is a fusion of corporatism and bolshevism (which is an anti-national movement that seeks power)
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>>2203026
your right in that it has no immediate influence to the real economy but as dollars exit the stock market and start chasing real goods like lumber, housing, prices will naturally rise. When the money supply increases those dollars have to go somewhere they don't just disappear.
The fa├žade of a growing economy is totally fake whilst in reality its in free fall as both jobless claims & stock markets reach all time highs almost every week. I'd say it isn't fake and since 1913 the dollar has lost 99% of its purchasing power. When there's an uncontrolled spike in the 10Yr that is when things will get very ugly.
>>2202505
the 'great reset' crowd want you to own nothing and they themselves want to become the lenders and buyers of last resort.
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>>2202630
only clown cult NPCs use buzzwords. globohomo mocks and makes fun of the globalization forced meme
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>>2202291
Covid lasted 18 months with everything shut down. People move or don't come back to their old jobs. Add in about another year of ramp up time.

There's shortages everywhere.
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>>2203029
>Bolshevism
Lad Bolhevism hasn't existed since Stalin centralized power literally 90 years ago. And every Bolshevik leader was pro-nationalism? Where the hell are you getting this from?
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>>2202958
bold of you to assume that the government is a completely separate institution that has no hand in this
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>>2202958
What sort of regulations are there? (Non-american here)
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>>2202291
It's real. For example local Georgia Pacific mills (for which my machinistbro makes wear parts so he gets immediate feedback on production) are running wide open in the SC area.

I've never seen this level of logging in the Southeast despite living in GA/NC/SC since 1983. The large pine plantations are mostly mature and there is plenty of unmanaged forest also getting logged flat. The local logging trailer outfit, Evans Trailers, are also wide open and filling very large orders (easily seen from the road, I drive by every day).

Pine isn't just used for wood, but for paper and asborbent products particularly diapers (there is something about local pine making it highly suitable for those). Softwood demand is global and money talks. Though COVID shrank overseas demand SC alone exports nearly a billion bucks/year.

With so many people at home in a very wealthy country (if you manage to be poor in the US you're doing life wrong) and a construction boom of course local demand is high. Wood is for furniture and camp fires anyway so use something better that doesn't burn, rot and feed termites.
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>>2202958
And waht regulations would those be? I'm genuinely curious.
They didn't stop anyone from tripling the price of lumber, and there's absolutely nothing preventing futures traders from driving lumber prices to the moon if they want.
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>>2203158
you're a retard who has never been /out/ if you think people use pine as firewood

>>2202551
and you're a retard if you think a $100k home would have its price increased by 6x to more than $600k due to lumber costs.
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>>2202291
Friend of mine works at a lumber yard and he says it's a combination of a bunch of thing. Mills are having trouble hiring people. The wood is there, just not enough people to operate the machines. This is compounded by the fact that nobody went on vacation so all those tourist dollars went into renovations and remodeling. And there's definitely a layer of price gouging.
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>>2203177
Don't be a dick. You can't be oblivious to the fact that people are dumb and certainly DO burn pine for firewood. A lot of it is sold in bundles at convenience stores and the like for camping. Also, it is converted to pellets for pellet stoves and such.
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>>2202505
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>>2203177
>if you think people use pine as firewood
I've had a lot of city boys tell me that over the years, but we absolutely burn plenty of pine as firewood-- Outdoors.
It'd be stupid to use it in a fireplace because of creosote build up and also because of the poor quality of pine as a fuel wood compared to decent hardwoods.
But when you're on a few dozen acres and you just want to have a campfire with some common, easily gathered wood... pine works fine.
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>lumber
>steel
>gypsium
Help...
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>>2203221
Tell me this is shopped
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>>2204215
Not just real, but pretty factual, too.
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>>2203039
>but as dollars exit the stock market and start chasing real goods like lumber, housing, prices will naturally rise.
people invest in housing through the stock market. they don't take the money "out" and then buy sheets of plywood
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>>2202505
Who funded the Bolsheviks and later the Soviets?
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>>2202535
>take the jab, its completely safe
>t. FDA
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>>2203249
its creates shit tons of smoke and is a shitty experience. the only "country boys" who disagree are poor meth heads who cant scrape together $10 for some firewood.
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>>2203191
>A lot of it is sold in bundles at convenience stores and the like for camping
those bundles would be hardwood you retard
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>>2202505
>globohomo
Take globalism and homosexuality, 2 things that the salt right hate without reason, then mash them together to produce another buzzword to use without rime or reason.
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>>2204852
Funding? Bruh they took over the economy. Do you even know where the name SOVIET comes from?
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encourages reuse and recycling and highlights artificial scarcity
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>>2203022
That just pushes up stocks and real estate, the inputs (wages, fuel, taxes) aren't going up, consumers don't have more to spend so after the disruption passes there is no real room for pices to change.

Not like investors can buy up all the wood and just stockpile it.
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>>2202527
return to monkee
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>>2202291
It's a labor shortage not a materials shortage.
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>>2202505
Globohomo communism isn't the plan of the elites, it's the fantasy of modern communists who don't want to seize the means of production, they want to seize the fruits of production. They're fine with globalist corporations owning the means of production, after all, the modern commie isn't interested in doing work. As long as those corporations produce a bunch of stuff that big government will then pay for and give away, they're happy.
That's Globohomo: the believe that a merger of government and globalist corporations will result in an abundance of free everything.
pic unrelated
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>>2203177
>you're a retard who has never been /out/ if you think people use pine as firewood

I wrote CAMP FIRES you leper-felching illiterate.
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>>2204857
Nobody buys wood for camp fires except urban hipsters. Larp elsewhere faggot. Dry pine burns sufficiently well for camp and bonfires which would be a waste of hardwood.
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>>2203177
The 6x thing has little to do with lumber

Cost of building a garage went up about 40% for reference

>available money (low interest) which puts houses in higher demand
>Increased labor costs since so many people quit to collect unemployment
>Takes longer to build the house (fucked supply chains) so the builder incurs more taxes/costs of operations
And a few other points I assume I missed

Most burned pine usually isn't quite suited for framing lumber anyway
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>>2202291
its less of a "shortatge" and more of a literal logistical problem. the cost of transport skyrocketed. the effect compounds giving you the most expensive wood in the last 100 years.
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>>2207790
I think that's liberals/Dem voters but I know what you mean.
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foresteranon here
our mill will make 20 stacks of finished redwood 2x6 fencing and it will all sell out in less than a day
people just want wood



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