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I am planning to install a transfer switch and use a large portable generator as a home backup system for periodic power outages.

Any general advice? Also, I want to build a sound proofing/weather proof enclosure for this. Any general plans advice?
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Don't expect to run everything, a genny that can do that will cost a fortune, be huge and drink more than a japanese salaryman.
If possible get one that runs on the same fuel as your car, this way you can have a decent amount of stored fuel and use it before it goes stale if you don't need it for the genny.
Run it for several hours every 2 months just to keep it in running order.
Keeping a spare power regulator isn't a bad idea, they are the bit most likely to die.
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>>2036255
8000 running watts is more than enough to run most appliances. If you have gas heat and a gas stove, this will run a refrigerator, freezer, lights and most other random things. Probably not your central AC though.
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>>2036255
>Don't expect to run everything, a genny that can do that will cost a fortune,
What do you have in your house that needs more than 3000-4000W continuously? Modern coolers and freezers are like 100W average, 400-500W peak, TVs about 100W, computers 500W at most with <100W with normal use, even a split AC only draws about 1000W.
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>>2036221
you cannot run an entire home off of a single $2000 generator. these kinds of generators have a draw limit of about 50 amps. you would need about 120amps which is a $10,000 wielder generator and just short of a three phase.

8000/120= ~60amps

a refrigerator is a "constant draw" and requires a constant 30amps. a small AC system is a constant draw and requires 30amps.

your lights and small appliances usually use 15amps at an intermittent draw.

then add on your washer, dryer, dishwasher. Oven, stove top, et cetera.

you cannot run the entire house, but if you are tactful you can use the generator in an emergency.

>if you want to wash your cloths, disable the fridge,
>if you want to cook, disable the fridge.
>nice weather? disable the AC and use whatever.

if you just want to keep your fridge running and AC to the house its fine you can do a lot with 60amps, but it means cycling through different loads.

however the AC is a problem because most ACs are more like 50amps draw so you could run the AC and nothing else.

(entire system is assumed 120/240v)
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>>2036314
as for sound proofing, just build a shack from pallets and plastic. its enough soundproofing that it won't be obnoxious. or just stack some wood/bricks and cover with plywood.

the generators are pretty study and can stand some maintenance abuse. you more want to make sure it is properly stored which is the biggest killer.
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>>2036314
>>2036319
I have used a generator for emergencies and while you could easily hook up the generator strait to the house's power-supply you need a dis-connector. if you hooked up a generator without a regulator or other buffers you would overload the system and blow the lights if the system is opened.

you need to disconnect from the power-plant supply and then connect to the generator supply.

if you are lucky the power company installed a disconnector on your house and you can just flip that to disconnect from the power plants/street power. the wire is in place but the disconnector completely separates the house power supply. you can just plug the power into some of the open circuit breakers. this is not how a circuit panel is supposed to be use, but as temporary power it works, just be certain to use 10 or 8 gauge wires. you can then take the other end and plug it strait into the generators supplied outlets. you will need to use 2 breakers on a one phase power system, aka typical housing power. the reason is if you used one breaker it would be a 120v system and waist potential power, breaker systems have alternating supplies in a split one-phase so think of its as 120V A side and 120V B side if you take 120 A and B and use both ends as a "hot" you get 240V. short end is you need 2 hots, one neutral, and one ground coming from the generator. you need to know which outlet is the 120v A & B side. the neutrals and ground can be unified. the particular generator picture has a specific outlet for running 240V, which is on the far right.

for safety reasons I would try to unify the disconnection from street power with the connection to temporary power.
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>>2036330
this is a typical housing circuit panel without the face plate.

some of the nicer circuit panels have the main power supply coming strait out of the bottom or top into special lugs, that is more common for three phase. the power is routed from those beakers into two "E" shaped bars on the back-face of the panel the breakers actually contact the bars in the middle of the panel and is why if you place two side by side it gets you the "A & B" side of the 120/240 split system.
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>>2036336
if you want a more integrated system you can install a transfer switch. this switch deals with connecting the temporary power supply without effecting anything else. with will be located between the circuit panel for the house and the disconnector/meter for the house. it will be in its own panel and cannot be attached to a normal panel.
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>>2036314
Houses with 60A hookups aren't that rare even now. 100/200A is mostly for "just in case", driers and stupidity like electric heating.
>a refrigerator is a "constant draw" and requires a constant 30amps
lol where did you pull that number from?
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>>2036350
constant draw, it means that 30amps is allotted for the refrigerator and that it will constantly draw power up to 30amps. you can have three constant draw devices at 30amps on a 60amp system but you will cause the breakers to flip because at any given moment it will try to draw 90amps. the measurements are irreverent the point is there are constant draw devices that you need to allot that measure of draw for only that device. intermittent draw devices can run about six on the same amperage allotment without causing an overdraw problem.

as I also mentioned you just have to be smart about power usage and you can use a 60amp generator as emergency power, you however cannot use all of the functions of the house at the same time and will require you to disconnect certain devices to use the power system.
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>>2036314
TLDR, this generator is more than enough to power your house when the power goes out, you just cannot turn on every single electrical appliance in yours and your neighbors house at the same time.

Refrigerator is a "constant draw" and uses 30 amps. What nonsense is that? First, the refrigerator should only be pulling power when the condenser is running, which should only be about 8 hours per day. Second, refrigerators do not pull more than 15 amps, which is what most standard wall outlets have. Most refrigerators only pull about 10 amps at most and then only when the condenser is running.
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>>2036356
don't care doesn't matter just know you amperages and devices and don't blame me when your generator catches on fire because you are running your dyer, washer, dishwasher, fridge, HVAC, and oven.
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>>2036319
I do not live in the ghetto Jamal. I want something presentable.

I have seen people cut vents in those plastic storage sheds and use those. Seems like there would be better options though.
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>>2036359
well fuck you my name is Clietus. learn to do carpentry you mongrel shit CEO type.
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>>2036361
Easy to build a basic shed, but any specific advice for venting and noise proofing?
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>>2036441
you need a way for air to get in and a way for it to get out. the noise is tolerable with just being inside a shed. so excessive muffling isn't required.

pic is what I was thinking:
>2"x4"x8'
>cheapest plywood board
>door hinge and bolt lock (use a hole on the cinder block)
>toggle bolts
>wood screws
>~25-30 cinder blocks
slap together and done.

you can upgrade from there. there is a deliberate gap under the door for air intake and a raised roof for exhaust. quite enough not to annoy you even if you are outside.
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>>2036458
Generally looks, good. I don't want to mortar the blocks together because I don't want this to be in a permanent location. I also worry that just stacking the blocks could be unstable.
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>>2036496
no mortar needed. the blocks weigh enough they will lock each other into place. the blocks are plenty stable at three high. at about four it becomes unstable, but that is what the cross lattice formation is for. if you don't want a clean door you can just build more wall, just leave a gap for air. drop the generator in from the top.
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>>2036496
>>2036503

this stone tower uses no mortar and is perfectly stable its the same principle.
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>>2036503
Any benefit to using cinder block over osb and 2x4 framing with insulation for sound proofing?
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>>2036508
Fire.
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>>2036314
>a refrigerator is a "constant draw" and requires a constant 30amps.
More like 3 amps continuous. You might have a 30 A inrush for a fraction of second if the capacitor is going bad on the motor.
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I just bought a 25kw PTO generator from Central Georgia Generator.
Should be in sometime next week... I'm excited bros!

https://centralgagenerator.com/products/pto-gear-box-combos-kits/

Also ordered a PTO shaft from AgristoreUSA

https://www.agristoreusa.com/collections/pto-drivelines/products/series-5-pto-shaft-for-medium-duty-tillers-and-generators

Now I'll have to build a little 3 point skid for it and build a fat cord for it. Then install a transfer switch...
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>>2036515
not something I want to test. if you want to make a fancy circuit go ahead and set your generator on fire. otherwise I stick with the recommended warnings.
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>>2036511
With proper clearance, ventilation and insulation, fire should not be an issue. People put generators in those store bought plastic sheds without any problems.
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>>2036314
>a refrigerator is a "constant draw" and requires a constant 30amps

Literally wat. A fridge requires less than 1A on 240V when the condenser is running. Wtf sort of fridge do you think consumes 3kW+ 24/7?
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>>2036522
they also probably don't run them 24/7. the exhaust is about 600F. wood ignites at about 451F. the "plastic" sheds have mitigations like a metal vent and fire rated insulation. which is also why they cost about $100 more than my design.
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>>2036529
>>2036522
>>With proper clearance, ventilation and insulation

Read what anon wrote.
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>>2036529
cost breakdown via lowes prices for estimated "shitty cinder-block shed"

>cinderblock ~$1.50@30 is $45
>plywood ~$15 (any wood/plastic/metal sheet will work)
>one 2x4 ~$2.50
>screws ~$2.50
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>>2036540
ah yes, lets just build this shed of solid gold bricks soldered together and a corrugated platinum roof and silver guiding.

>I have considered doing this with copper and electrical solder before... I have enough copper.
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>>2036542
Why so defensive of your cheapest option possible idea?

Make sure the exhaust is not touching the wood, use sheet metal or cement board on the side closest to the exhaust, a foot or so clearance all around the generator, vent the exhaust outside the shed, and have another vent for fresh air intake. These are not expensive materials.

Instead of a $60 dollar cinder block eyesore, you can have a $150 wood shed that you can move around as needed. What's the problem? Still cheaper than the plastic option that needs additional materials and modifications anyway.
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>>2036519
why are you such a mega fucking retard? you really think that your fridge draws 3300 watts all the time? do you even know what a fridge is? do you know what electricity even is? fucking idiot/troll.
>muh set your generator on fire
shut the fuck up boomer and stop buying shitty chink generators that don't have circuit breakers. every decent generator will just cut the power off if you overload it.
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>>2036554
This
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>>2036551
>you could have a $60 shed you could move around as needed.

the point is what it is you want. you asked about a a cheap easy to build shed that was sound proof enough and I gave you one.

if you want to built a fire starter go ahead and burn $150s at a time.

>>2036554
who said the fire would be at the generator? I'm just telling you to be conscientious of power draw. you need to study your circuit and not all houses are the same. the house I live in has a 200amp draw, but when I rand the generator which is almost the same as the above all I did was run the fridge and an entertainment center.

>>2036556
anon is a retard.
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>>2036519
Did your fridge come with a warning that it runs at 3300 watts continuously?

Try this shit head, look at your electric bill. How much electricity did you use the whole month? Are you paying over $200 per month just to run your fridge?
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>>2036561
I don't know and didn't look I just know that if I allot 30amps there is no way there is a problem. if I want to get technical I will read the power rating on the side.

I had to practice this because I own a RV that gets a 60 amp draw from the outlet. I can run the fridge, HVAC and entertainment center off of that.

if I run the HVAC, fridge, entertainment center, microwave, and water heater it will trip the circuit. the water heater is a hybrid propane/electric
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>>2036557
You are the retard. Sounds like you bought the cheapest generator you could find and plugged it directly into your home electrical panel. You caused a fire and now you are afraid of generators because you are too dumb to realize how dumb you are.
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>>2036557
OP asked >I want to build a sound proofing/weather proof enclosure for this.

No where did OP ask for the cheapest possible option.

How does your shitty cinder block design prevent fires that are somewhere other than where the generator is? Does your design come with a whole home sprinkler system?
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>>2036564
No it actually cost more and is high quality.

>>2036574
Op asked for something that wasn't a dingy plastic and was affordable. You can build cheaper but OP doesn't seem to want it.

>foam board
>two 2×4s
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>>2036563
>I had to practice this because I own a RV that gets a 60 amp draw from the outlet. I can run the fridge, HVAC and entertainment center off of that.
Are you actually retarded? You see a fridge drawing 30 amps at 12 volts and now you are assuming that a 110 volt fridge also draws 30 amps...
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>>2036589
You are not listen to what is being said nor have been look up the shit for yourself. And if you set your house on fire for being a retard that is your problem.
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>>2036594
>You are not listen to what is being said
Why should I listen to retards like you who don't understand electricity
>nor have been look up the shit for yourself
There's a sticker on the back of my fridge which blows your retardation out of the water you stupid boomer, now shut the fuck up and I hope someone suffocates you with a pillow.
>set your house on fire for being a retard
I'm sorry that happened to you but I kinda wish you weren't able to escape the flames.
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>>2036586
Nothing in this post makes any sense. This is all incoherent nonsense. Troll somewhere else or if you really are this dumb, please keep you stupidity to yourself.
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>>2036615
>>2036598

You are incoherent nonsense i'll be luagh when your house burns down.
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>>2036618
Fuck off Ivan. Burn your own house down because you have no idea how electricity or generators work.
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>>2036619
Fuck off chang I'm not buying your pot metal just as good generator.
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>>2036255
Better yet, get one that runs off propane or natural gas. In emergency events gas stations will get jammed up and run out. Remember when hurricane sandy hit nyc. If your a propane fag you probably have a 500 gallon tank in your yard. If your natural gas master race then you have an unlimited supply piped directly to your house.
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just store the generator in the back of the garage and make a 220w suicide cord put a 220 outlet next to panel. plug in cord turn off main breaker from the pole then back feed through the panel to power the house.
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>>2036642
that would work too

>>2036637
about the same. if you use gasoline you can run it on moonshine with some modifications
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>>2036642
Don't do this.
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>>2036652
dont be a pussy it works just fine just remember to turn off the main breaker so you dont backfeed to the grid and send power to your neighbors and possibly a linesmans body.
just dont be a retard and touch the ends
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>>2036649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XB2MeNgVW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKZ_41wbcM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSDHMB9UnR8
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>>2036653
Do it properly with a female plug and a transfer switch, asshole.
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>>2036659
that shit cost lots of money and also does not provide a really nice plug for a welder for the other 364 days you dont have a power outage
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>>2036652
This anon is right, just spend 40$ and do it right, it makes life easy. You can even make your own transfer/lockout switch with a little piece of scrap sheet metal if you want.
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>>2036661
>cost lots of money
Less then a funeral and/or legal fees and jail time when you kill a linesman.
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>>2036667
thats why I said the very important key part of turning off the main breaker.
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>>2036668
I too said to disconnect, 4PBP
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>>2036355
>it means that 30amps is allotted for the refrigerator and that it will constantly draw power up to 30amps.
My fridge is on a 15A breaker that has never tripped so clearly that's not the case and you're a retard.
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>>2036516
>https://centralgagenerator.com/products/pto-gear-box-combos-kits/
They are so cheap, makes me wish I had a tractor laying around.
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>>2036678
Please just set your house on fire and save the poor generator.
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>>2036516
>build a fat cord for it.
Get some 2-2-2-4.
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>>2036653
Lineman here. So many people do this we always short the lines when working outages. We will trip your main breaker for you thanks.
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>>2036339
That's pretty cool - do you know how much it would cost to have an electrician install one?
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>>2036763
No. But not that much.
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>>2036221
Ignore the refrigerator-needs-30amp-constant-draw retard. I have a 3kW version of the pic in your OP (it runs the refrigerator just fine). If you have outages that are longer than a day or two then you might want a smaller generator that you can run for a long period of time on less gas. 8kW can run your whole house for a day and then you're out of gas. A 4kW generator run periodically to keep your food from spoiling and charge your phones/laptops will easily last you a week. The model I have is supposed to run 8 hours on a few gallons on half load. In any case, good job looking ahead.
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>>2036774
Oh yeah, open frame generators are loud (~90dB at the exhaust). You might want an enclosure near your house to run it in so you can sleep at night, LOL. Especially if you want to see it not stolen/broken in the morning.
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>>2036303
I can run my whole house on 11kw peak generator. I have duel split level ac units with two heads each and never had a problem.
I kill my main breaker during outages and back feed through the dryer socket. I only tripped the breaker once.
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You can get UL approved interlock kits for most common panels. No need to fuck with suicide cords and killing linemen.
https://youtu.be/lJdzHnhGOPE
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I like propane generators because you can store propane for years without it going bad. Get a dual fuel one gas/propane.
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>>2036221
Do you have a well?
Do you have electric hot water heater?
Do you have a septic system with a lift pump?
Do you have electric heat?

If you have natural gas service maybe worth looking in to an automatic whole house setup. They have come down in price lately. Homedepot has kits for 5k.
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>>2036774
Ignore this retard he steals generators and commits insurace fruad.
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>>2036516
Replace supplied coupler with chain type.
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>>2036806
$5k plus another grand or more to install.

No thanks. Far too expensive for random power outages once every couple years that last no more than a day or two at most.

All I need is to keep food from spoiling and charge some devices.
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>>2036763
at my company our price for a 22kw (whole home) generator and transfer switch is $8500 on new construction and generally a couple thousand more for existing setups
much cheaper than i'd expect honestly
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>>2037041
A couple thousand more for existing construction.... WTF?

The only difference is drilling a hole for the wires, which you have to do anyway for new construction.
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>>2037076
we're sleazy jews lol, anything "old work" gets a huge PITA fee added on because fuck you. really though it depends on the existing setup, a cut and dry job for a friend we may just keep at $8500
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>>2037081

I got quoted 20 K for a 20kw backup system, this included a propane tank though. You're not as bad as you think. Western US though where land and labor is 2x - 3x thou
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How long do those small inverter generators last? Would one of those be enough to keep the fridge and some random other small things around the house powered for occasional short term power outages?
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>>2037076
companies like to do that to people to separate them from their money, if you know exactly what you are doing and have the ground work laid out the price can drop.

if you source the parts, labor, and tools the bill decreases. true of any job.

because you are doing it on your side of the power supply you don't really need a electrician to certify it for most of the US. places like New York care but further out, you can just slap stuff together up to a point without needing a permit.
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>>2037108
The cost benefit for DIYing that kind of electrical work is not worth it. Pay the $500-$600 for a proper transfer switch installation and then there is nothing to worry about.
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>>2036679
>They are so cheap, makes me wish I had a tractor laying around.

That was my thoughts as well... I was looking into getting a 24kw from Northern tool that is already on a skid and wired with some outlets. But it was a 3600rpm generator, still didn't include a PTO shaft, and was over $3,000 Did some research and found out that most home gamer style PTO generators are 3600rpm to get away with smaller windings and whatnot.

Found Central Georgia Generators with an e-bay search, then went directly to their website to do some more research and liked what I saw. 1800rpm generators, (for example the 25kw generator head I bought was around 400lbs for just the generator head vs 300 some odd lbs for the northern tool generator head with the speed increaser gearbox and skid included in that weight.) Plus the website claims they will handle 150% over current for short periods of time for motor startup and stuff like that... Not that I'll be even needing the full 25kw ever anyhow.

I always have several tractors sitting around ready to be put to work so this was the perfect solution for me. Also in the past 15 years we probably haven't had more than a handful of outages that lasted more than a few hours and nothing that ever lasted longer than 12 hours, but I still want to have the option of being prepared if the grid does go down for any extended period of time. At least this way my tractors will be in top running shape from doing other farm tasks and I won't have to worry about cycling a standalone generator engine from time to time to ensure that everything is in running shape.

Also my smallest tractor that I would run this generator on is rated at 90 PTO HP. So I'll probably end up getting a 1000 rpm pto shaft half for the tractor side and run it off the 1000 rpm PTO and just reduce the engine speed down to get the proper Hz and voltage on the generator. This should result in better fuel economy for the tractor engine.
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>>2036961

No love for the lovejoy? You think the rubber will get squished out over time? I'll keep an eye on it and might do as you say if it shows any signs of being a problem.
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Are the Honda generators actually worth it? More reliable and durable?
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>>2036649
Yes because when an emergency happens I have time and supplies to make enough moonshine to operate a generator. Just get the fucking propane or natural gas generator that will run off of what everyone should have an unlimited supply of.
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>>2036997
Do you live in the USA? Do you think your infrastructure will get better for worse?
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>>2037190
The EU2000 and 3000 are the gold standards for inverter generators. I have a eu2000 with extended run kit on that is from 2001. I installed an hour meter so I can keep up on maintenance and I drain the fuel when not in use.
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>>2037303
private infrastructure will improve. the government sponsored infrastructure is failing.
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>>2037297
well first of all if all you want is ethonal/isopropal there are faster ways to make it via the fermentation process, all you need is a sugar. so you can burn your fuel for about 5 days then be on your own after. if you are smart and store enough fuel for a week you will have plenty of lead time.

isopropal, wood alcohol, is toxic but you can make it as a fuel. you wouldn't be dependent on the propane infrastructure.

but I agree propane is a good thing to have, and for grid down emergencies I have relied on propane for heating before.

making moonshine for industrial use doesn't require all the sanitation of distillation that drinkable moonshine does, you can do it with clay pots and stuff
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>>2037337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET5st0ILLxA

conversion method to propane. goes on to talk about fuel storage.
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>>2036563
>I can run the fridge, HVAC and entertainment center off of that.
HVAC is the only big load there, probably multiple kilowatts. Unless your entertainment center is overwrought ridiculousness, it and the fridge will be fine on a few hundred watts each.

>microwave
This is another good sized load, likely 1-2 KW input.

>water heater
A tankless electric water heater draws more than everything else mentioned here combined. Check the specifics on your model, which you should have been doing from the start with everything you mentioned, so that you actually know what your power needs are.
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>>2037106
They're popular for offgrid RV power, where they get a good deal of use. Should work if you get a reputable model.
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>>2037297
>Just get the fucking propane or natural gas generator that will run off of what everyone should have an unlimited supply of.
Natural gas supplies are down in Texas.
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>>2037356
mostly propane I'm going to improve it. pic should tell you enough.
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>>2037365
>I'm going to improve it
Ah, so the focus on burning things down was projection.
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>>2037367
you are just upset because you cannot do the math required to know if you are overloading a circuit.

the heater is very old interms of propane heaters for RVs and is nearing the end of its life time. the one I have picked out is much more efficient, I was also thinking of doubling up so I can double my water capacity for 1/4 of the cost. still need to work that out.

an RV in terms of relativity to a house is a very small home and using that generator is common for that house size. the ACs are smaller than most house HVACS and newer models often of two.

from personal experiance you have to leave the HVAC constantly running in 102 degree Texan weather if you want to keep it around 85
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>>2037375
Just picked up a honda eu2200. Sitting on my couch reading the manual and drinking a steel reserve to celebrate/recover.
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>>2037485
The only thing I don't like about my EU is it doesn't have a way to shut the fuel off and run the carb dry. Turning the switch off just kills the igintion leaving the bowl full of gas to get gummed up.

There is a carb bowl drain though so not a big deal.
This site talks more about it
>https://popupbackpacker.com/honda-generator-maintenance-and-storage/
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>>2037538
hondas are pretty good. I normally use them as a mobile power plant when doing work on the job. the big thing that honda tries to push is how quiet they are.
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>>2036739
>Get some 2-2-2-4.

What kind of amperage would 2-2-2-4 be good for? Because it should put out 100 amps of 240. Also do they make it in a flexible version for a nice cord that isn't stiff as fuck? If not I will probably go with some nice flexible welding cable instead and bundle my own into a 4 wire cable.
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>>2036221
My advice is to go dual fuel, portable, 50 amp. Keep a couple UPSs indoors for electronics. Get a professional manual transfer switch install...
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>>2037161
Yes when the generator is loaded from inrush current it will compress the spider and shorten it life. This style called sleeve coupling flange shaft coupling works better.
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>>2037323
Fuck off kike
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Pro tip: don't wait for an emergency to run your generators. Start it up once in a while and let it run for a bit.
Otherwise you can guarantee it won't start up when you need it most.
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>>2038029
not true, you just need to do good maintenance and storage.

most people leave fuel in the line and don't clean it and leave it to abuse, that causes it to fail.

fuel in the line => causes carburetor to fail
old oil => water in the oil line
dirty fuel => starter may need cleaning
old fuel => excessive water in fuel the carburetor cannot handle
old battery=> short cycle and die. (may not effect older generators).
corroded leads=> fails to produce maximum output

no you don't have to run it but you do have to maintenance it.
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>>2038044
Everything you said is right, but I disagree that you don't have to run the generator.
No matter how good your maintenance is, any emergency systems should be tested regularly to make sure they work, and to give you early warning of any failures you might not have noticed. Whether it's a generator, sump pump, smoke detector, or whatever.
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>>2038064
>sump pump
if you have one you probably use it regularly

>smoke detector
probably do anyways as it is in constant use

>or whatever
no, not necessary if you properly store it.

proper storage is different from regular maintenance. things you use regularly you maintenance because you are using them.

things like emergency generators you ready for storage because you don't know when you will pull it out.
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>>2036871
I don't steal, I don't commit fraud. What in my two posts makes you think that I do? I suggested he get a smaller generator in case of a long outage (most people don't store much gasoline in their homes). I suggested he build an enclosure if he purchases an open frame generator (they're LOUD). You think your neighbors want to hear that all night long? Do you think a powerless thief will not cruise a neighborhood looking for a generator to steal? Holy shit. You must be that 30-amp-constant-draw guy, right?
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I have pic related. It’s 11kw on NG and has automatic transfer. They are about 3 grand and the transfer switch isn’t any more complicated then putting in a sub panel. Only pita was dealing the gas company.

It can be set to run test every week, biweekly or monthly. It won’t run everything 100% but runs the well pump, sump pump, stove, water heater/boiler and fridge. Plus a few select outlets and lights.

Feels good getting home during a winter outage driving past my neighbors fucking with portable garbage wile I just drive by and hit my garage door opener and pull in like normal. Then walk in to a warm house like any other night.
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>>2038163
Sounds like your neighbors are dumb asses. If you have a transfer switch, all you need to do is start the generator, flip a couple switches, plug it in and done.

If you have the money to spend 5 or 6 grand to install something like what you have, great. Not everyone has that option. Also, probably doesn’t make sense to spend that much if you only have short term outages once every couple years.
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>>2038163
How is 11kw not enough to power your whole house if you have natural gas? Isn’t your stove and water heater also on natural gas? Those are the big draws for electricity.

Maybe if you tried to run everything all at once, and also your central AC, then 11kw MIGHT not be enough. But damn, how big is your house?

Generator installers always try to up sell talking about starting watts and peak load, but that is generally irrelevant for a backup system.

Sure, if you want to run your AC, electric dryer, dishwasher, all the lights in your house, the tv, and everything else all at once, during a power outage, then yeah, get a huge generator.
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>>2038311
yeah have to agree.
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>>2037155
Gay
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>>2037155
I would only pay if I didn't know how to do it myself.
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>>2037155
It's only a problem if you aren't comfortable pulling the meter out of its socket to kill the feeders.
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>>2038345
its becoming standard that meters have a dis-connector. just flip it and work without power for the hook up so the fire department and cut power.

if you are lucky you can flip it without much trouble, if you aren't you will have to get the power company out so you can connect the line.

short hand is that you need an electricians permit to do work that involves the power company, you don't if it is on your side. the power company may not like it but its a matter for the building authority who mostly doesn't care.
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>>2038374
>typo
it's becoming stand so the fire department can cut power. just flip it and work without power.

my computer decided to cut and splice that sentence.
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>How is 11kw not enough to power your whole house if you have natural gas? Isn’t your stove and water heater also on natural gas? Those are the big draws for electricity.
The biggest load is my well. It's deep and dont want to risk burning it up from undervoltage. And if your doing loads of laundry you could have a situation where the your running the boiler and dryer and then have to start the well.

>Sure, if you want to run your AC, electric dryer, dishwasher, all the lights in your house, the tv, and everything else all at once, during a power outage, then yeah, get a huge generator.
For whole house generators this is on the small side. Going smaller isn't any cheaper. Standard is around 22kw. Thats what lowes/homedepot normally sell in their kits.

>>2038298
Outages happen a few times a year here. And fuck screwing with cords and shit at 2am. What happens if your out of town and the power goes out? Flooded basement and frozen pipes? Spoiled food? Compared to that headache 4K isn't much money.
A decent portable is half way there. EU3000 is 2K and then you have to deal with rotating fuel or going out and getting with everyone else.
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>>2038404
I am considering getting one of these Generac 22kwh generators and transfer switch installed next week. $10K installed plus 10% back for buying from Costco. It's a lot, but is it too much?
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>>2038482
9 grand seems about right if your paying someone to do everything and its a NG hookup. Nice units.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tphv78yT5U4
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>>2038482
>$10k minus 10% for 22 kW
That's a very good price. With that many kW, you won't even have to consider load shedding.
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>>2036255
>>2036221
just buy a turbine bros
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>>2038163
This is for guys who don't want their manicured hands dirtied. All auto for such a person.
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Anyone actually had an on-line solution where you wont even notice the power going out? That's the fucking dream + a starlink dish for backup internet. (Though if you live in burbia the satellites are going to be hammered to hell and back during an outage)
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>>2038848
>Anyone actually had an on-line solution where you wont even notice the power going out?
https://www.sevarg.net/
This guy was trying to do it, but some government official in ID basically cucked him. He was going to use some inverters with solar, batteries, and grid power that will automatically pick the best source within one cycle (8.3 ms). A couple of these https://documents.unboundsolar.com/media/outback-power-gs4048a-01-inverter-manual-1139517786.2550156-1.pdf with some intelligently designed subpanels would make the whole switching transparent. He was running into cost constraints that prevented him from rewiring his whole main panel, plus his house and car are 100% electric.
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Diesels are a fuck, at least in Europe.

1500RPM on a 4 pole generator disqualifies basically all 1 cylinder engines, reckon burgers have a bit better with 1800RPM.
On the other end though, I can't imagine a 1 cylinder running for long @ 3600RPM.

In our off-grid household we've recently acquired a Lombardini based generator & tuned down the engine speed to approx. 2400RPM.
Since we only use it to top up the battery banks through a conventional charger the frequency dip down to 40Hz doesn't matter much, but obviously you wouldn't want to run anything off it directly.

The way we've got it set up we're drawing a solid 1.5, 1.6kW while sipping on anywhere between 0.75 to 0.9l of diesel, depending on load.

In terms of running costs it's vastly more affordable than the petrol powered solutions we're relied on in the past (and still do to an extent), just hope it'll end up running a tad longer than the Yanmar knock-off we had years ago.
Got about 60 working hours on it in the month of ownership, unsure how much it had with the original owners.
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>>2038848
Tesla power wall
https://www.tesla.com/powerwall
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>>2038890
You'll still see a flicker when the gird goes down and the Tesla kicks in.
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>>2036255
What about retrofitting a gasoline generator carburetor to make it run on LPG ?
Cheap fuel and never go sour...
For AC "cleanliness" without nasty harmonics, maybe run the circuits used by your sensitive devices through an on-line UPS fed by the generator.

Such a setup will probably cost less than a good inverter generator and you won't have your sensitive devices subject to the one second power outage from the transfer switch
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>>2038848
The UPS in my old datacenter handled power outages just fine.
If the power goes out, battery supplies power, generator starts immediately after, electrician gets a call right away in case something goes wrong.

You can also DC OR'd your critical power supplies for a homebrew solution.
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>>2038982
That last flicker is going to cost you big money to get rid of.
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>>2038513
>>2038514
Yeah it's a natural gas hookup. Not sure how much I'll use it, but seems like a prudent investment as we get blasted with snow up here. It's also tax free where I live. On a separate note, how much would I get back on that $10K if I sold the house in a few years?
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>>2038404
Do you also have a hand pump for the well? It is super cheap and a good back up to the backup if you really need it.
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i just got a generac gas generator. how hard is it to adapt it to use propane? or even propane AND gas switchable?
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L3 MEP-815B 30kW Gen Set

These 30 kW Gen Sets are going for really cheap at a few military surplus sites. The Marine Corps recently upgraded to a new unit and these bad boys have to go. I bid on one a few months ago. It sold for less than 5k with less than 200 hours on it.
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>>2039358
Are they single phase or three phase? Or reconfigurable?
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>>2039359
3 phase
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>>2039358
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>>2039364
I see in that chart the "Reliability (MTBF) : 1638 hr @80% LCL"

Am I correct in understanding that they expect these things to fail and need repair after a few weeks of operation? My only exposure to the term MTBF was in over the road diesel engines, where the 'failure' indicated a major repair that needed either the oil pan or cylinder heads removed.
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>>2036355
>the measurements are irreverent[sic] the point is there are constant draw devices that you need to allot that measure of draw for only that device.
How the fuck are the measurements not relevant, that's exactly what OP wants to do. Go look on your fridge's data plate and see how many watts it uses.
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>>2036618
Nigger you haven’t even tried to refute him with anything logical. Just “don’t burn your house down”. You sound like “you’ll shoot eye out kid”. Don’t be retarded and you won’t start a fire. It’s actually pretty hard to
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>>2036681
You are retarded
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>>2039436
>>2039438
It's not my fault you are deliberately trying.
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13kw diesel gen from alibaba, the best chinkshit generator 810 dollars can get u
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>>2039358
What do you plan to use it for? About 3 gallons per hour is a lot.

A small quiet generator just to power essentials during a short term power outage can run for about 8 hours on one gallon of gas.
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>>2040037
Still seems overpriced and worthless.
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>>2040901
It is
Lombardini Kohler engine SDMO generators are barely more expensive and simply walk over this shite
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Anons, I have an old gas converted boiler and it can be manually lit

Capacity is roughly 100gal though we usually only fill it half way to 3/4

Could I buy a miniature steam turbine to provide backup power for say a few lights and phone charging? If so, where would I buy one?
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>>2036642
>>2036649
>and watch your house burn the fuck down when you forgot to open the main cb when the power comes back on.
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>>2041227
is it a steam boiler?

i feel like there are 100 easier ways to power a few lights than running a fucking steam plant
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>>2037076

Cable rerouting, possibly having to extend 30 circuit lines because the box is too close to the feed to just add a switch in line (despite being explicitly instructed to leave room for a transfer switch.. fucking modular contractors), I can definitely see where the extra money goes.
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>>2041364
Maybe if there are existing issues that need to be corrected or older construction and new grounds need to be run. I could see some additional costs, but not in the thousands regularly.
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>it's cheap and easy to install a whole home standby gen yourself!

no it isn't lol

t. person who installs them for a living
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>>2041396
at a huge markup because people believe things like this.
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Fucking NIGGER
At this exact particular moment our generator blew the stator in the generator.
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>>2041417
>>2038882
Soo I'm this stupid nigger

Did we burn the stator through our RPM tune-down tomfoolery?
To accomplish the 2400RPM-esque operation at 230V output we increased the excitor capacitor (no AVR involved).

We're definitely gonna have the windings re-wound, but I'd prefer it to not insta-explode the next time around.
Admittedly don't know enough about the electro-magnetic operation of a generator to tell if we fucked up or not.

Stock, tuned for 3000RPM operation it came with a 40uF cap, right now it's got a considerable increase up to 140uF.
Up until now it worked perfectly well.

Do we cut down on the tomfoolery or should the incident be written up to degraded insulation since it's an old used unit which did *not* run all that much through it's life.
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>>2041396
Its okay retard, we know you gotta protect your livelihood
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>>2036221
You can buy quiet generators, and don't neglect the engine-driven welder option for backup power. They're quite popular, parts are easy to get for Miller and Lincoln machines, and they're designed for jobsite abuse. Consider LP fuel since modern "gasoline" goes bad very quickly.

>>2037106
Honda eu series are famous and like all Honda power equipment, very high quality. Large user community and good aftermarket accessories too.
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>>2037320
eu2000i owner here and will buy more Honda gensets in future.
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https://www.millerwelds.com/equipment/welders/engine-driven
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>>2041484
Ever use it to power up things at home during a power outage?
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>>2041695
Yes, and more often to power tools away from the house when working on my rental property. I don't bother with anything fancy and just run a cord to a power strip to run battery chargers (I connect inverters to the batteries then charge notebooks and run lights etc off those) and direct to periodically chill my fridge and freezer. It will run my 120V shallow well pump which is my main use as I don't need much electricity during an outage and plan to go indefinitely with no electrical power if required or desired.

You can find many specific examples of appliances eu2000 series gensets power and can buy a parallel cable to connect two of them (easier than manhandling a larger generator and offers redundancy and lower fuel consumption when only using one). Having two means no single point of failure but I don't need two since I've a Guzzler self-priming hand pump (great for priming wells too, fuck pouring water down the wellhead) and a variety of inverters I can connect to loose truck batteries or run off my trucks. I deliberately keep my components separate so I can grab what suits the task at hand.
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>>2041481
>You can buy quiet generators
Which ones? Are inverter gennies worth a shit?
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>>2036314
Don’t forget things like A/C motors usually spike in current when they initially start up
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>>2041782
I'd buy anything Honda make, having worked on their motorcycles and power equipment for many years.
My eu2000i is a few years old, here's the latest version of that size and of course they make larger units too.

https://powerequipment.honda.com/generators/models/eu2200i
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>>2041789
How loud is your eu2000? I balked at the Honda price and bought an open-frame Generac. Yeah, it's loud as hell.
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>>2041865
I would compare the noise level of a eu2000 to an average window unit air conditioner. You can have a conversation standing next to it, but you'd rather not have to be sitting next to it listening to it all day.... if that makes sense

It's drastically quieter than my 4000 watt harbor freight generator, which is quieter than a lawnmower, but not by much
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>>2041865
I have an eu2200i. This is the newer Honda model. It is quiet. I can barely hear it running outside if I have the windows closed.

That said, a lot of companies make cheaper inverter generators with similar specs that are half the price of the Honda. Plenty of people seem to like them and they probably will run fine. I went with the Honda because I plan to use it to power my fridge and other things around the house during power outages. I need something that will just work without any problems when I need it.
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I put the eu2000 outside near the tree line about 75’ from my house in the backyard and I can’t hear it inside the house. You can’t hear it from the front yard at all. Good opsec during an outage.
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>>2042271
like I said to the other guy Honda is big on making their generators quite, but it comes at a slight cost and less overall effective generator. if you are using as amoble power plant or really basic emergency back up, its great. the rub is that it doesn't get as much power as a generator of the same cost and isn't good for maintancing/aftermarket.

if you want a one and done generator that uses OEM parts, the honda is great, but if you want a generator because you need some serious power you need to look at some one else.

the honda design is very effective at canceling sound but you have to spend a lot of time working around those sound canceling parts to maintenance it.
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>>2041314
Shame on you for discouraging anon from running his own steam plant. It's every man's right to either become Fred Dibnah or die awfully in a boiler accident
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>>2037361
Texans are faggots.
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>>2036355
Refrigerators are like 500W, very intermittent devices. If you don't open it then it's unlikely to draw even a single kWh in a whole day. You're an idiot.
Also measuring output in amps is stupid too. Measure in VA, or volt amps of reactive power. This shit is probably too complicated for you though so just know that a refrigerator is not an enormous draw and you don't need to be paranoid about it. Big draws are well pumps and anything that does electrc heating.
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>>2042848
>and isn't good for maintancing/aftermarket.

Honda eu series have a large user community and are quite simple (well, for real mechanics) to work on. Those needing serious power would be well off buying an engine-driven welder for backup power with a DIY bonus of having a capable welding machine. It's very common for non-weldors to buy Miller Bobcats etc for backup power, and you can rent them to see if you like what they offer. Since most generators sell out of stores it's worth knowing you can rent welding machines to use as gensets, That's why contractors buy them.
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>>2043385
>Miller Bobcats
For the price you could just get a whole home backup generator installed.
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>>2042848
>its great. the rub is that it doesn't get as much power as a generator of the same cost and isn't good for maintancing/aftermarket.
What are you talking about? The aftermarket is huge for the EU's. You can get extended run kits, propane conversions kits, parallel kits, remote start kits etc etc. All sorts of enclosures and RV mounts.
If you need any part you can go right to your local honda power dealer and get it or anywhere online. Honda supports even the earliest EU's from 22 years ago. Can you say the same for some chinkshit gen?
Mine 2K has tons of hours on it. All the basic mainance can be done with just a flathead screwdriver. Honda builds top end machines.

>but if you want a generator because you need some serious power you need to look at some one else.
A watt is a watt is a watt. Buying a 2200 watt genset when you need a 5000 watt one has nothing to do with the make.
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>>2043445
The marketing may be part of the problem. The eu2200 is 2200 peak watts, but only 1800 running watts.
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>>2043445
>aftermarket
maybe not the primary problem, its the casing.

>watt is a watt
yes. but what is the dollar per watt?

the honda is ~$.40 per watt
the next closest competitor is ~$.24 per watt

then a non-sound protected generator is ~$0.10-$0.20 per watt and usually.
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>>2036782
>I kill my main breaker during outages and back feed through the dryer socket.
I'm totally stealing this idea. I've always run extension cords everywhere to the generator and it's a huge pita. I bought some 4 conductor 8 gauge wire, a dryer plug, and the round 4 prong generator plug.

I noticed the dryer plug is only three conductor, missing the ground, the house will all be grounded of course with the main breaker off, will I explode anything if I leave the ground coming from the generator off? Or should I connect it to the neutral?
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>>2036221
Anyone itt know how to make one of those lawn mower generators? All the videos and articles are ridiculously vague
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Is USA a 3rd world country? In EU the last power-outage I remember was in in the mid 1990s and lasted under 1 hour.
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>>2043906
You cut down all the trees so there's none left to fall on the lines inna storm.
Plus ice brings down lines sometimes. Be responsible for your family.
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>>2043906
>>2043907
no. and let me remind the eurocuck that one state in the US is about the same size and scope as an entire country. the island of Britain is almost the same size as the whole of New York. France has as much Texas. the state of Georgia has more land, people, and GDP than the country of Georgia.

but here is the rub. those people are more spread out. the United states has heavily invested in its infrastructure because our population hasn't filled out all the space like Europe has. there are a lot of "dead" areas. Roosevelt tried to fix that with his alphabet programs. but the American people are very tied to the land and will adapt in a way that the infrastructure itself is invalid and unnecessary. the power being out isn't a problem its the time it takes to adapt.
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>>2043393
>For the price you could just get a whole home backup generator installed.

We bought our 250 Miller Bobcat for about $4500 brand new if I remember correctly. That was many years ago, but still according to this thread a backup generator will run you 10k installed.

I bought a Miller Trailblazer 302 for $2500 used.

I just bought a 25kw pto generator for $2300 brand new.

I'm into all 3 of those generators for less than the 10k that I've seen quoted for a backup generator installed.
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>>2043892
Dc or Ac output?
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I did a 12kw portable with 50a backfeed setup. I don't try to run my 5 ton ac, but it could easily run 3 window units and well all at the same time.
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>>2041314
Yeah it's steam

We blew a corner piece and the whole room turned into a steam sauna

But yeah, I see your point, if it's a ready made and affordable thing you can buy then I see no harm in trying it

I'm mainly just curious
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>>2043810
>the honda is ~$.40 per watt
>the next closest competitor is ~$.24 per watt
And a Chevy is cheaper then a Honda car. Who would pick a Chevy over a Honda? Your just moving goal posts around to justify buying shitty tools.

It’s not like we are talking big money here. The EU can be found for around a grand if you look around. For something as important as keeping my pipes from freezing in the winter or food from spoiling in the summer I’ll pay a few extra bucks. In the long run a honda is cheaper anyways because it will out live multiple chinkgens.





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