Why does Miles feel like a black caricature? So much of the character seems unintentionally racist. You never see Peter wearing khakis or sweaters over his costume. >His suit is black so he gets referred to as “Black Spider-Man”>Implied his dad abandoned him since Miles and Rio share a last name>If he had his dads name, his name would be Miles Davis>His dads name is Jefferson Davis, same as the President of the Confederacy>Sometimes his dad dies>His dad’s brother is a criminal that can’t hold down a job, also okay with killing kids until he realized Spider-Man was his nephew>His dream in the games is to go college to make trap beats>First Spider-Man to like streetwear>Miles costumes all look like an old white persons impression of black teenagers>Tims, Jordans, Adidas, hoods on everything or exposed dreads>Game gives him a Michael Jackson suit, and a suit called “TRACK” suit>Game even gives him a Black Panther and even a fucking 40’s jazz suitThis is mostly the game by the way. But all of Miles suits look like ass with hoods and sneakers on everything.
>>140726888>>First Spider-Man to like streetwearben reilly did it first
>hurr black people aren't allowed to do anything associated with black people or it's wacist, says i, a bigot having a tantrum on 4chan thinking nobody can tell what i'm up to
>>140726924Has Miles shot up any liquor stores lately?
>>140726888His whole thing is being Black Spider-Man. Not just a Spider man who happens to be black, but it’s core to his character. Even the comics have begun teaming him up specifically with other black heroes back to back. There was a single issue years ago where he protested at being known as Black Spider-Man, but that’s his whole thing. It’s the primary reason anyone who cares cares.
>>140726917a torn up rag is not "streetwear"
>>140727213Ben's hoodie is torn up because he ripped off the sleeves himself
>>140726888He literally is. Luke Cage: Hero for Hire did the whole "urban black hero" thing decades before Miles was even created, and was a much more compelling figure (both in the early solo run and with Iron Fist)It's really noticable how Bendis' Miles comics were so vanilla and lame, and the every adaptation of Miles has to overhaul his character entirely to justify his existence
>>140726888Miles wouldn't exist if Marvel had spent more time in the 2000s promoting their pre-existing black heroes
>>140727026YepYou turn Miles white and what are you left with? A Peter Parker clone without the selfishness, anger, and guilt that makes Peter interesting. The character's entire reason for existing is to replace Peter with "a" black guy. It could be literally any black guy just as long as he's black.
>>140726949He attacked some cops
>>140727329>You turn Miles white and what are you left with? A Peter Parker clone without the selfishness, anger, and guilt that makes Peter interesting100%Even in the Spiderverse movies, he's incredibly boring
>>140727026>starts teaming Miles up with other black heroes>has dibs on Spider-PunkZiglar’s really defining himself as the black Spider-Man writer.
>>140726888Is this another "black person that's good at basketball is racist"?Joshua Luna comics didn't teach you anything about how coloreds see their culture?They see it as theirs and theirs only, so a black person being good at jazz and looting is based because blacks love to be good at their culture, just like an asian guy being good at Karate isn't racist but simply what they want.
>>140727329>You turn Peter black and what are you left with?> A Peter Parker without the selfishness, anger, and guilt that makes Peter interesting.
>>140727329>>140727348>>140727437spider-boy proved that a white Miles is interesting
>>140727375I think it's more like if War Machine had blinged out armor because the writers want you to remember that he's black
>>140727329And an extremely supportive cast.family (Aunt May doesn't/didn't like Spider-man).And extra powersAnd a friend who covers for him at schoolAnd goes to a better schoolAnd gets handed his gearAnd is better received by civilians than PeteAnd can just solo Carnage or Blackheart
>Miles literally does anything>OmG is ThAT RacisSS???how the tables turned>>140727375>Joshua Luna comics didn't teach you anythingoh no, look at this loser lmao
>>140727342WHOSE STREETS? OUR STREETS!
>>140727375>They see it as theirs and theirs only>Unironically posting this in 'I'm mad about Miles thread #2972'
>>140727477And blacks love that, they seethed for Miles Thor but the extremized blacks loved it for being a fresh take on black characters and giving a good rep for the ghetto life
can't you guys just stick to screaming about how much you hate Miles for being black or some shit? It's the worst when you try to mask it by pretending you care about his characterisation or social commentary or depictions of black people or some other shit like that.
>>140726888>Game even gives him a Black PantherYeah, and Captain America and Wolverine suits. They're all from that dumb What If series where Miles became other superheroes instead of Spider-Man.>and even a fucking 40’s jazz suitIt's a companion to Peter's Noir costume.
>>140728020>Miles became other superheroes instead of Spider-ManHave other character gotten that type of thing?What if Wolverine was Ironman or something?I know there's various "what if (supporting cast) was (hero)", but I don't know about "what if '''hero''' was other hero"
>>140728020Black Panther was not from that line though. That's a different suit entirely made up for the game because "wakanda forever"
>>140728080It wasn't made up for the game either. It was a 2022 Black Panther variant cover by an artist who likes Miles.
>>140727997Because if they are not into that stuff then they are not black enough for your brain to process.
>>140728058>Have other character gotten that type of thing?Yes, Spider-Gwen just had that and more not to mention Cosmic Ghost Rider whole deal.
>>140728058Batman has something similar to that, but much better written.
>>140728270Unironically should have been a zoot suit.
>>140728325>Spider-Gwen just had thatI didn't see it storytimed on /co/Then again I'm seeing less and less marvel comics get storytimes.
>>140728371>but longer and more drawn out.fixedMiles stuff maybe shit but didn't affect other books or the entire line with its nonsense.
>>140728325Hell that was how we got Gwenpool. Marvel's been banking hard on What Ifs, multiverses, and crossovers for years now. They'd probably kill for another mash-up character to take off.
>>140728461>I didn't see it storytimed on /co/https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/129234570
>>140727375What the fuck happened to Josh Luna?
>>140728480I'm not talking about metal.
>>140728325>>140728504>>140728557This is an argument for there being only one Spider-Man. This is completely garbage.
>>140727375>Joshua Lunathis is bait?
>>140727213The superior streetwear look
The thing that gets me is whenever they say Miles is the hip and urban Spider-Man and have the people of Harlem calling him “OUR Spider-Man” isn’t that kind of wrong though?Like correct me if I’m wrong, maybe in the comics I haven’t read, but Miles isn’t ghetto or urban at all, grew up with loving parents in a nice neighborhood going to a good school, etc. he just seems pretty damn privileged compared to what they want him to be.
>>140728943But, you see…He black.
>>140728699Well other than the elseworld with Clark Kent being found by the Waynes and becoming Batman or Bruce getting a GL ring and becoming the Green Lantern there is no real instance of "what if (hero) was a different (hero)?" featuring Batman other than the Dark Multiverse/Death Metal that I can remember.
>>140728943I think it's accurate. Dave chapelle isn't ghetto, but he's treated as if he's street by actual ghetto people.
>>140728058>Chadwick Boseman's last real appearance in the MCU was in the worst episode of an already spotty seriesFeels bad man.
Why is his dad named Jefferson Davis and why does he electric powers
>>140726888It's a circular paradox where in an effort to appeal to the black people, panderers just copy their culture... and turns out, crime is just a hobby for them and everything in their culture is built on crime glorification. So the copy will always contain these bad elements, when put out in the open, make black people look bad.Then they cry racism... It's like when they demand black characters who>LOOK>LIKE>USAnd then they get them, they look ridiculous and the black people get offended. Their self image in their heads don't match what they actually look like in reality.
>>140728504>>140728557Gwenslop is just an appeal for cute blonde girls to do cosplay, that's all it is. This is ridiculous and shows how Marvel doesn't even take itself seriously...Whatever sells sexy cosplay girls!
>>140727473Not really. Credit where it's due, Spiderboy is a radically different character.
>>140729135>I think it's accurate. Dave chapelle isn't ghetto, but he's treated as if he's street by actual ghetto peopleBut Miles isn't anything of that nature. Sam Wilson/Falcon would be the Chappelle equivalent in this situation.
>>140731248Yeah, if anything Miles is Jaden Smith in this situation. The only people who really like him don't actually know anything about him.
>>140729071That it has happened twice is a lot, and unlike metal and miles, those stories make sense.
>>140729593A lot of African Americans inherited the whitest fucking names in existence to a degree that only they have them anymore, usually because an ancestor wanted them to have a chance at a better life in integrating into society once Slavery ended.The electricity powers are because Black Lightning had them and every black superhero not named Luke Cage has had electricity powers since more or less.
>>140728943it also trashes the twitter argument of "anybody can be spider-man" ifthey are claiming ownership of the title based on race
>>140733412Everyone can be Spider-Man but that specific spider is ours
>>140727297Why are we suddenly pretending old school Luke Cage wasn't cringe shit from white writers who'd never once stepped north of 110th street?
>>140734344O'Neil was irish and he knew blacks and how black people act, so he made Luke and the Black Panthers the terrorists they were
>>140726888>Why does Miles feel like a black caricature? So much of the character seems unintentionally racistIt's INTENTIONALLY racist. Race discrimination doesn't mean "looking down on people because of an uncontrollable characteristic", it can also mean "looking up to people because of a uncontrollable characteristic"; the virtue signalers making these types of character indeed very racist.
>>140727615Imagining some little heeb cretin calling Asgard "the hood" always makes me laugh
>>140728943Blacks are intrinsically tribal. If they see a successful black they immediately claim them as their own even if they don't share a single resemblance other than the color of their skin. Look at Tupac lmao, absolute sugar-tank fruit who did ballet and was accepted as a "gangster" rapper lmao
>>140727313You mean like Bendis pushing Luke Cage for ten years straight after Disassembled?
>>140726888He is literally Peter in blackface, it would have been racist years ago and will be looked back on as racist in the future
>>140735799i do wonder what the general opinion on Miles will be in the future
>>140726888>>140726888wait a minutei dont give a shit about spiderman
>>140728020He can do the Wakanda salute in front of the embassy but Peter can't
>>140727615>the extremized blacks loved itproofs?i've seen 0 people liking miles thor
>>140727026Why can’t modern black people / characters exist without being like>I’M BLACK>DID I TELL YOU I’M BLACK?>I LOVE BLACK STUFF>I’M GONNA GO BBC POST ON /pol/!>NIGGAS AM I RIGHT?>I WILL NOT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS REGARDING VIOLENCE IN MY COMMUNITY>RAP BASKETBALL SNEAKERSI’ve met normal black people before so I know they don’t have to be this way
>>140731625They know Jaden Smith because he did one good movie, likes Miles with Spider-Verse
>>140735919>Peter doesn't recognize Wakanda as a legitimate state
>>140726888The degree to which Marvel has lost the ability to have a serious approach to race is so bizzare.
>>140737016An endless cyclical debate of stereotyping forcing people into a box vs pride in cultural touchstones
>Zoot Suit Spider-manI am indeed entertained.
Miles sucks so much.
>>140728640too much soapboxing about people who don't give a shit about him.
>>140736830>proofs?Reddit take.Just trust me
>>140727494Plus his mom is a MILf and not elderly old lady like aunt May.
>>140727615Alright, this is offensive even for me.
>>140737888Don't be a pussy and enjoy this
>>140737975It physically hurts anon, I can't.
>>140738029This is legitimately cultural appropriation and is not okay.
>>140738377woke was culturally appropriated and mutated into something worse. same with simp. thats just a thing white people do.
>>140737016>I’M GONNA GO BBC POST ON /pol/!thats all whit dudes though. the same ones that do in /gif/
>>140738771those are hapas
>>140727297Miles is bendis cuck fetish personified. Whenever bendis writes him he makes him look better than Peter. He is the one who made him pair with Gwen out of nowhere.
>>140739525>Whenever bendis writes him he makes him look better than Peter.Spider-Men was about Miles being incompetent compared to Peter
>>140738771IIRC whenever Hamas starts shooting up Israel the BBC spam on /b/ and most of the usual places tends to slow to almost nothing for whatever reason. We're not sure if it's because the Arabs are spamming BBC but are just too busy fighting to keep it up, or if the Jews are and are being forced away from their computers by the gunfire. Either way though it's super consistent barring rare exceptions.
>>140739871Was it though?>Miles beats Peter in a fight>Miles is the reason they find Mysterio >Miles is the one who actually beats him
>>140735549Tupac was cute!
>>140728020>>and even a fucking 40’s jazz suitOkay but that one is legitimately his best suit, period.
>>140739525>Whenever bendis writes him he makes him look better than PeterIt's weirder than that, he pretty consistently writes Miles as kind of stupid and useless, but also able to solve any problem in 2 seconds with a well-placed venom blast.The way Bendis writes Miles is legitimately just fucking retarded.
>>140726888You've mentioned him supposedly having an absentee father about 5 fucking times lol. His dad was always around, he just got killed thanks to Martin.
>>140741226Well, except for that time in his original comics run where his dad literally abandoned him lmao
>>140726949helped blind black girl destroy public property and avoid cops.
>>140727348>Even in the Spiderverse movies, he's incredibly boringI mean what did you expect? He's the protag. He's the main viewpoint character and you'd want someone more normal and down to earth reacting to the wacky things and people around them. But that isn't to say he didn't have anything interesting going on.
>>140728058Wasn't there an AU where the super serum was never made and Cap becomes Iron Man?
>>140741257I was speaking purely in terms of the games
>>140745106thing he is boring but also not normie boring, he is a boring gary stu.Like he literally goes in a private rich people's school and has the best grades in anything, fucking wigger
>>140726888The sad part is that he's SURFACE level black. He wear urban clothes with some adidas while liking MILD rap music. You know safe edgy? Miles is safe black. Unoffensive yet offensive at the same time. He act more like a white guy, and the fucking games shows it. The saving black cat mission where he talk about the sea lion was a highlight for how lame he was. Peter is more like an authentic black guy then him. >Always struggles to keep a job>Barely has any money to pay rent for the month>Can get emotional at times(Very egotistical or angry)I bet actual black people who cares about comics look up to Peter more than miles. Miles is just some privlege kid that goes to a private school who had two loving parents that had well paying jobs and is so happens to be "black".
>>140745422>he is a boring gary stu.No one really respects him and he literally has only one real friend in his own dimension, even after a whole year from the first movie. He isn't the strongest spiderman and has to rely on plot armor just to make it out of situations. How is that being a "gary stu"?>Like he literally goes in a private rich people's school and has the best grades in anythingThe movie literally makes a point about how has a B in Spanish and he's constantly missing classes. He's a smart kid but but he also fumbles a lot.
>>140745491>Peter is more like an authentic black guy then him.>>Always struggles to keep a job>>Barely has any money to pay rent for the month>>Can get emotional at times(Very egotistical or angry)This shit is more stereotypical than miles could ever be.
>>140745547>He isn't the strongest spiderman and has to rely on plot armor just to make it out of situations. How is that being a "gary stu"?How is that not him being a gary stu? How does needing plot armor not automatically label a character as a gary stu? But beside that, most of his character is just shooting electricity out of his ass just to beat the main villian of the week. That is his entire gimmick. Electric and invisiblity powers. A clear sign that he was made to be better than regular ol' Peter Parker. He doesnt need to invent shit to take a bad guy down; just pull out a new electric-based power out from his ass to save his skin. Miguel is a better alternative than him.
>>140727615>>140738029This is parody, right? Like a Chapelle Show skit?
>>140745547>The movie literally makes a point about how has a B in Spanish and he's constantly missing classes. He's a smart kid but but he also fumbles a lot.Again, smart but skips lesson isn't exactly normal
>>140745697>How does needing plot armor not automatically label a character as a gary stu?If I mentioned how he lured all the spiderpeople away from the base in order to use to "go home" machine, you'd call him a gary stu, if I said he relied on plot armor to get out of the situation you'd also call him a gary stu. There's really no winning in that regard.>That is his entire gimmick. Electric and invisiblity powers. A clear sign that he was made to be better than regular ol' Peter Parker. He doesnt need to invent shit to take a bad guy down.Peter himself dosen't always need to invent shit to take the badguy down. What your saying is reductive.
>>140745784>Again, smart but skips lesson isn't exactly normalIt's normal for a Spiderman, even Gwen had similar problems.
>>140745810>Peter himself dosen't always need to invent shit to take the badguy down.Yeah of course not always, but it's an example that shows Peter using his smarts to take down the antagonist instead of his powers. It's a break from just punching and webbing a guy up. Miles doesn't have none of that shit.
>>140745918He's shown to be not as smart, physically weaker, without as good spidersense as most other spider people, its why he mostly has people like Ganke invent most of his shit for him. It's a decent (although not always well implemented) way of nerfing him to compensate for his extra powers.
>>140740494Incompetent had a psychological level, the big was Miles being someone only if Peter validated him which makes Miles his sidekick
>>140745491>Miles is safe black. Unoffensive yet offensive at the same time.You can't complain about being miles offensive when you think that the average black person struggles to keep a job and is egoistical and angry all the time.
>>140737016Because stereotypes are now empowering, except when they’re not then they’re bad.
>>140745894Is it? Gwen is smart?
>>140747286I mean, yeah? Even OG gwen was a super scientist similar to Peter and would've gone to oxford had she not been thrown to her death.
>>140747344>a super scientist similar to PeterNo she wasn't. She was just a smart college student, she never displayed any sort of super-intelligence
>>140745491Reminds me of Samuel L Jackson and the idea of being seen as "nigger black" rather than "safe black"
>>140745491>Peter is more like an authentic black guy then himSeems more like your stereotypes talking than anything else.
>>140728058There was a Jessica Jones series called the Variants where she fought other Jessica's who got to be other heroes
>>140726888A black stereotype would be him being violent towards trans women or Asian people and then not being held accountable
>>140728058Superior Four had other versions of Doc Ock that Superior'd the other members of the New Fantastic Four (i.e. Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider)
>>140726888I'm so fucking sick of this Miles Vs Peter shit, its always the exact same thing with shitting on Miles while at the same time people shit on Peter saying Miles leagues better, its just a constant circle Jerk on who's the better Spider-Man when in fact both characters are handled poorly a lot of the times(Peter does get the worse end of the stick tho) in the comics and other media, I'm sick of this who's better thing when I just want to see the two characters being bros and argue who's Pizza is better then the other and in the day they both prefer each others pizza but refuse to admit it. Cause end of the day while I do prefer Peter over Miles 90% of the time, I do not really get the hate for miles that much.
>>140750125Miles is an inherently bad character and offers nothing that couldn't have been done better with an existing characterPeter is a fantastic character that has been bungled and mismanaged by idiots that don't know how to write him.They are not the same
Peter is the original Spiderman. It just seems like erasing a white character by having a black character take over his identity. It's weird as fuck
>>140728640He got some pussy and stopped being such a pussy.
>>140750137>>140750179Personally I always wanted to see Peter lead an RPG party of spider people later in his career so it hurts to see this war and how Miles is handled. Is it really so much to ask for Peter to be the leader of the Spectacular Six?
>>140750733>Is it really so much to ask for Peter to be the leader of the Spectacular Six?Yes. Making someone into the team leader/member of a league of derivatives has always sucked