my meow meow
>>139488316Very interesting talk about management.
Monkey Wrench has a ton of love and passion and genuine talent poured into it, it’s just not very good. How can we fix this?
>>139489364Hire a good writer to start. Hows fiona and cake anyways?
>>139488316Vivzie is getting double teamed now? Nice.
>>139489364Needs something to grab more of a woman fanbase
>>139489364Having some genuine stakes in any plot line would be cool.
>>139489404You don't always have to bring her up
>>139488316>shryk speaking random spanish is good
>>139489768Remember, he's Mexican but totally NOT his whole personality
>>139489401Fionna and Cake is fun enough. You'll enjoy it a lot more if you watched Adventure Time as its a sequel
>>139489404>>139489594Tbf, Vivzie is really just the indie equivalent to John KThey’re a pioneer in their field and a icon of their time who a lot of people still like to clown on for, a good deal of the time, completely justified reasons
>>139488316>not even 500 people watching this mid livestreamCan't get viewers for this show even when Lackadaisy is backing it up lmao
>>139489364Zeurel is an animator's animator. He's a super geek who notices all the tiny things that make great animation great and is able to masterfully implement that sort of microscopic attention to detail in his own work. Unfortunately it seems that when he watches other animated productions, his attention is so focused on the actual animation that he doesn't notice all of the other aspects that make it great. The writing, the voice acting, the music, the overall mix of those elements...they all play a part in creating a successful whole. I think he would do well to hire a co-director or production manager who has more of an eye/ear for those non-animated elements. He can still control the overall vision for the project, but he needs someone who sees animated productions more generally and can point out when certain things aren't working, help direct voice recording sessions, oversee music direction, give Gooseworx someone to bounce off of when it comes to final mix, etc. Or he can stubbornly go down with the ship. I want Monkey Wrench to be successful, but as cool as the concept is and as great as the animation looks, the other aspects of production kind of drag it down.
>>139490086That's not fair. Vivzie actually makes shit.
>>139489364Stakes. Despite their simplicity, I like the characters and it would only take a few episodes of character development and backstory to make people relate to them more. The show started on a weak note regarding that aspect, but it's not unsalvageable.If the show had stakes and given me a reason to care about these character's well-being, I'd be more sympathetic to them. As they are now what do they have to lose? Money? Their problems are on-par with every mook, goon, and disposable lackey that the hero kicks in the face and moves past in fiction ever. Either give them a personal reason for being here or make it funnier, so I don't care about personal reasons.He used to make funny animations and he makes animations for lythero, I'm not sure how the humor in monkey wrench comes out so serviceable. I'd thought there'd be one knee slapper, but it's all feels like jokes I'd see for bits in-between the funny knee slappers, just gags to pass the time.
>>139490965Emphasis on 'shit'.
The crossover fanart is already starting
>>139488316so cute seeing them larp as animators after making less than a real short's worth of work
>>139495085will he voice the character? more importantly WILL HE INGEST THE PEPIS????
>>139496103The lackadaisy pilot is a fully animated 23 minutes. Most of the people who worked on it have been involved in other indie and mainstream productions. Monkey Wrench totals nearly 40 minutes runtime plus Zeurel has made tons of shorts. Most of the Monkey Wrench crew also works professionally in both indie and mainstream animation. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>139489364It’s fine for what it is, I don’t know why everyone here thinks they’re a seasoned critic when it comes to this show. I can’t think of many flaws in the writing for the past 2 episodes besides the main character using spanglish way too often.
>>139491347>>139491366she unironicaly would've saved the show
>>139496103lol what do you mean, even if you don't like it, it's pretty professional
>>139499796lol no it aint
>>139489404As if getting her reputation demolished by the screenshots the lackadaisy crew got of and spread of her wasnt enoughShe just keeps losing, whike lacka is winning
>>139497860>>139499796Imagine bootlicking frauds, couldn't be me.
>>139498671>dude just worship slop without thinking about it!
>>139500530what are you talking about even?
>>139496679zeurel said he would be voiced by a "funny sweed" so more than likely
>>139501567Well atleast you gotta admit it's better than Murder Drones
>>139501918Damn… now I want some pizza
>>139501567You will never be a part of the industry
>>139501886why is it shilled and treated like the best new /co/ show of the 2020's?
>>139501918He could've made the girl the MC and the two guys the goofy sidekicks
>>139501585>says its fine>"worship slop"Obsessed schizo
>>139501918Who's leaking his patreon
>>139501585>slopAnd you expect me to take you seriously?
>>139491366Just make it about her.
>>139496103They’re more animators than anyone at CalArts. They do all their own work. They don’t ship things off to Korea.
>>139501600NTA but after some drama started where I think Vivzie tried to claim one of Lackadaisy's animators(zebirdbrain) was transphobic over liking a couple of tweets, some screenshots of Vivzie saying actual transphobic stuff started circulating. Many assumed the two were correlated given the timing.
>>139504392lol @ the haters making shit up again, Vivzie is a huge Lackadaisy supporter, even donated like 5k to their campaign and was basicaly the first name to share it giving them the initial boost they needed. Im not even exagerating when i say that they wouldn't have even achieved their goal let alone surpassed it without Viv's support.
>>139501886It really isn't, it's really telling you have to try comparing your failing indie toon to an indie toon that's actually successful.>>139502704If you're talking about Murder Drones, that's because it actually is one of the best recent cartoons especially in the indie & Youtube animation sphere.
>>139504728>it actually is one of the best recent cartoonsAs if.
>>139504745You cope with your own failure, as if the indie animation you shill for hasn't decayed and failed you.But I am already freed, for the machine is immortal.
>>139488316I was listening to the podcast last night and they talk about how white isn't flavorful but latinx is. Which character did they make "latinx" coded?
>>139504745If you have to make yourself feel better by proclaiming the show you like (which is currently failing as nobody is watching it or supporting it) is better than another show - then just know that you look like a delusional nut when you denounce everyone who likes and supports a well-made, successful indie show as a "shill" while unironically shilling for a show that doesn't have the same amount of people enjoying and watching it. I'm sure everyone else must be wrong, and you must be right. Or you're just coping and just upset a show you don't like is better than Monkey Wrench.
>>139505306When did i call you a shill?
>>139504907Inhuman looking women aren't appealing to normies.
>>139504568>donated like 5k to their campaignTo get her name in the credits, just like zebirdbrain said.
>>139504971Shrike if it wasn't obvious by him speaking Spanish once every few lines
>>139505349NTA, but I think that was for this guy>>139502704Because it's actually very good, and has robots I can bust a nut to. So, it's /co/ certified.
>>139505453and its so bad also,dora the explorer does a better job at making english and spanish mixed speaking natural. and his shitty accent is jarring as fuck
>>139501886You never see people be this autistic about the show's problems in Murder Drones despite having more to complain about
>>139505805Probably because it's a good, entertaining show. While this isn't.
>>139505855I've yet to see anyone actually mention what's so terrible about Monkey Wrench exactly, you're just all weirdly vague about it. Just say you want to fuck the robots and fuck off
>>139505897The animation of Monkey Wrench is done extremely well, unfortunately the character designs and general art style are ugly and offputting (especially on the male characterd, most of the female characters are passable or good-looking).The characters themselves are boring and uninteresting (the big guy who's name I always forget because he's that forgettable) or downright annoying (Shrike.) This also doesn't help with how equally boring and uninteresting the actual show is. The setting itself is truthfully shown to be quite cool looking with lots of potential, but Monkey Wrench utterly fumbles at gaining and maintaining the audience's interest because1. They don't care about the main characters2. They don't even care about the female coom-potential side characters, which is impressive in itself3. The episodic plot just doesn't hook the viewer at all. Nobody cares. All these things get CONSTANTLY brought up whenever Monkey Wrench is mentioned, you acting like everyone is shitting on it with "no reasoning" is sad and bordering on delusion. Maybe if Zeurel learned from criticism and improved after the poor performance of the first episode it wouldn't be such a failure. I'm sorry the show about robots is actually able to learn from criticism and improves constantly, which is why people seem to enjoy it and you hate that. And I do want to fuck the robots.
>>139506148Jesus man, he's already dead
>>139506148>All these things get CONSTANTLY brought up whenever Monkey Wrench is mentioned,You're the first one I've seen prioritizing coom-potential characters as a big deal, and considering you admit you jack off to the robots that shows your twisted perspective on these.>learn from criticismNobody can gain anything from your criticism. You say it's bad and forgettable but have yet to mention any reasons why. Why are the characters bad, why is it boring? You just say it is and that's it, so what the fuck is anyone supposed to learn from that?Waifu fags, worthless as always
>>139506148wow fuck you.
>>139506173You're not funny
>>139506218Were you too stupid to attach the image file the first place?
>>139488316Vivzie is stuffing her face with junkfood in anger while watching this (not that I mind)
>>139506202>prioritising coom>doesnt actually read any of the postWow retard, it's almost like all of that flew over your head and you completely missed that I was referring to it being pathetic that Monkey Wrench can't even drum up interest through using coom - which is notoriously easy to do to get easy attention and support for your cartoon show. Monkey Wrench is so boring and poorly done that not even coomers are attracted to it. Cope some more. You're just upset because people lile something else that isn't the show you like.
>>139506228Kek are you actually that upset ypu're lashing out at random anons? Are you underage?
>>139506276>You're just upset because people lile something else that isn't the show you like.That's literally you the whole thread. Cope pathetic coomer.
>>139506349>ypu'reYou're definitely underage if you can't even spell right.
>>139498671>I don’t know why everyone here thinks they’re a seasoned critic when it comes to this show.Consumers dodge responsibility when it suits themPeople always scream for “Muh alternatives” to popular garbage but never turn out for the alternatives, which of course they’ll come up with a million reasons for
>>139506355>That's literally you the whole thread...So you admit it? Okay, thanks for just saying you're coping. That explains enough.
All indie animators suck cock, except my nigga Worthikids desu
>>139506561>WorthikidsJust when I think one of their little skits is going to be a flop, something about the writing or visuals will manage to hook me with at least one chuckle-worthy gag.It's the consistency of quality that sets Worthikids apart.
>>139506424Or, what if that one alternative is just bad and nobody wants to watch it - while the other alternatives are actually good and people do watch them.
>>139506453>..So you admit it?Didn't admit shit, seems like you're coping hard schizo. Then again what else can you expect from someone proud of being a coomer.
>>139506670>consistencyDude, he posts 4 minutes every 2 years or so lol
>>139506804The other guy asked what is wrong with Monkey Wrench and basically got a handful of nothing adjectives and “needs more waifus!” in response
>>139506864How fucking stupid can you be holy shit
New girl is cuteI'll take some requests
>>139506864Holy shit you're retarded
>>139501585You know you can try and explain why something is bad or you could shit all over it.
>>139501585You know for a second I thought this when my aunt told me she liked capeshit, but then I remembered that some people just like things to like things and its unironically ok.
>>139507007>>139507182Holy shit you're dumb
>>139501886oh god what have i done
>>139508223Murder Drone fans are true schizos
>>139507155Coolio man, how about this:Have her doing some maintenance on her arm in a sleeveless top and jean shorts.
>>139508229Nigga you're actually obsessed, stop being a fag.
>>139504971>flavorfull What does that even mean? Cartoon characters are food now? That just reverse racism coming from a white guy
>>139489364Honestly think that if they gave the buff lizard lady boobs the popularity would have gone up at least 5%
>>139508918Proof right there
>>139507155I wanna see her hugging Shrike. The dude needs some love.
>>139508229>>139509144Nobody cares about your Murder Drones hateboner, samefagging nigger.
Monkey Wrench's rousing failure really boils my blood. I thought you fuckers WANTED more original shit. What happened?
>>139504291You know that a bunch of people who worked on these productions went to CalArts, right? It's almost like the school is just a school and isn't the boogieman /co/ likes to pretend it is.
>>139504568>they wouldn't have even achieved their goal let alone surpassed it without Viv's support.They made a million in like the first 2 days. Are you disingenuous or just stupid?
>>139504728>it actually isinterrogators identify qualifying words like "actually" "seriously" and "honestly" as red flags. They indicate that someone is being deceitful and are often added to sentences in an effort to make the statement seem more truthful. A person who confidently believed this would simply say "that's because it is", not "that's because it *actually* is".
>>139504568>even donated like 5k to their campaignShe did this after getting caught talking shit about Lackadaisy's director. It was an effort to save face.
>>139509501I do want more original shit and I will continue to watch Monkey Wrench episodes if they continue coming out because I want to support original indie animation. That said, I will also continue airing grievances when people ask what's wrong with it. Monkey Wrench has several critical flaws that anons seem to unanimously agree with. I think most people want this show to be successful which is why criticism seems to be oddly constructive considering where we are. It's possible that either Zeurel is unaware that these criticisms exist, or simply unwilling to stray from the staunch vision he has, but the simple fact is that the show is failing on it's own merits. It's not a failure of networking or visibility or other external circumstances...it's just not very entertaining.
>>139510078Yeah after Viv gave them the spotlight, im not sure why you are being agressive if we are saying the same thing?>>139510153That's pretty paranoid, she just wants to help an up and comer group of artists.
>>139509197Nobody cares about your Murder Drones boner nigger.
>>139510272>Monkey Wrench has several critical flaws that anons seem to unanimously agree with.Anons seem to fail to mention any of them.
>>139491347>>139491366finally, something to work with. Glad Zeurel is willing to lean on more conventionally attractive designs.
I just don't really understand creators who seemingly spend an inordinate amount of time shitposting on social media instead of... you know... working? Shouldn't Viv be extremely busy overseeing both Hazbin and Helluva?
>There are people in this world who unironically>without being forced>based on their choice via free will>COMPLETELY VOLUNTARILY>watch Murder Drones
>>139510522Both watch it and shit on other indie shows
>>139510285>>139510522>>139510536Your bitching is honestly pathetic at this point. Didn't you bring it up in the first place and compare the two shows? I'm not even a huge fan of either, but one is successful while one isn't - and you're complaining about the successful one because the one you like isn't doing well or being watched by many people. Grow the fuck up. Quite a few anons have explained their criticisms of Monkey Wrench here, and also explained why it isn't doing well or gaining an audience. Zeurel refuses to learn from it. This waffle about other shows is sad.
>>139510522Hey, it’s a good show, outside the pilot, I don’t see the problem.
>>139510640What are you on about, all I said was I can't believe people choose to watch murder drones cause I think the show blows chunks. I'm not even the same person, although you'll have to believe me cause I use 4chanX
>>139511027Now draw them kissing
>tmw you accidentaly turn this thread into an MD one
>>139510472>>139511027love ya anon
>>139506148Hi Vivzie, when's the fat belly reveal?
>>139511027Hope it happens in the show too
>>139510640>still going onMindbroken
>>139511333Aren't you the one that keeps bringing it up and samefagging? Mindbroken. I'm sorry people generally agree the show you like sucks.
>>139501918I'm sorry but Beebus clashes with the entire universe. He's like from a different cartoon. Was his skull replaced with a toaster or box or something?
>>139502704because it's mediocre, and in indie terms that means it's great
>>139511849I've never heard of it before looking at this thread, checked out the current episodes and found it enjoyable. It's well made, and has a good story with good characters. That's all I care about, honestly.
>>139506148I agree. I would say it's like those dispersion triangle things. You could also view it as a series of gates:>First gate: Characters are bad. Shrike is not an owl like his name. He looks like Earthworm jim with his head blown off and he acts like a crack addict. Beebe looks like a Minecraft character that was realistically rendered as a joke. Then you put in your first and only episode a naked bird character whose gimmick is screeching annoyingly, which is what Shrike does, so we get two loads of that. You cant have a show start where so many characters are irritating. Th well designed second bananas only highlight that the show could be better, which is even more irritating.There is also the thought that its artstyle and themes are way out of style. The grungy scifi thing have been better accepted 30 years ago in the 90s. No one likes grody now and scifi is exceptionally dead now. It's well done but it's not playing the game.
>>139502704The studio hires shills to spam social media.
>>139511849What's mediocre about it?
>Wants 5 seasons to tell the whole story of Monkey Wrench What the fuck is up with these creators wanting so many seasons? This is indie shit! Why do they want to tell such drawn out stories when they have a limited budget?
>>139512245>Wants 5 seasons to tell the whole story of Monkey Wrench
>>139512245If he wants five seasons he better have a little more than just wacky random adventures.
>>139491347>>139491366Shit just got real; I will now watch their show.One of the most attractive designs I've seen.
>>139508217She should be back soon.The container she was supposed to be looking for is definitely going to be the same one the L.A.W. guys dumped on Shrike and Beebs
>>139507155her getting puched in the face, either in a realistic or cartoony way
>>139512241>painful dialouge and humor >alright mystery plot and world building>boring music >annoying edgy MC Just not that good
>>139512392https://www.youtube.com/live/efPq2r3VGTc?si=aEnnRyRIWLDLiv9H&t=2371At 39:31 he is asked how many episodes he wants in a season and he wants 10 - 12 episodes for the first season at least and 5 seasons. What the hell you can cut that shit down to one season if you get rid of the fat or maybe two seasons.
>>139512637>painful dialogue and humorSubjective in the Pilot, tone and dialogue massively improve by Ep 2 and beyond due to focus on the mystery plot rather than quirky meta humor.>Annoying edgy MCAngsty yes, but people find her cute. I don't find her annoying but that's your taste.>Boring musicLiterally just wrong, the music is absolutely excellent especially for an Indie webtoon. What are you even talking about? This shit bangs.https://youtu.be/RqjZ0Z5-Nsk?si=x6Wq1d52QICU6S3mhttps://youtu.be/PzrkkqTxHis?si=e2-ksuxyxrdl6Tjehttps://youtu.be/5zJtNtHHcqI?si=T2uSPoMHttbRIFyB
Change the lead from whatever the fuck he is, to a more appealing human or alien. If he wants to go with furries then why not make him a literal shrike-like bird alien?
>>139512637>Boring musicWay to out yourself as having absolutely no fucking taste, Murder Drones' OST is genuinely really good.
>>139512637..How the fuck is the music boring?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0GqaAfwfyE
>>139512889Everyone knows he's a competent animator. Nobody ever said he's a competent show runner. The guy is fucking retarded, and it shows with how hard he's fumbled this show already. A shame too, it had so much potential.
>>139513059>it had so much potential Did it really?
>>139513098I mean, yeah? The setting itself is pretty interesting, there was big potential for an actual story with a good cast of character's people would like. The problem is that all the interest is completely squandered, because Zeurel has absolutely no idea how to attract or keep an audience. I don't even think he knows what audience he wants. If you look at all other currently running indie shows that are actually doing well, you can clearly see how they are produced to attract a target audience. Who the fuck is Monkey Wrench for? Fans of Zeurel's old funny animations? There's not that many of them, too niche for a large enough following for a fully produced cartoon show. I don't think the guy actually knows what he wants, and that's the problem.Both >>139490556 and >>139491265 sum it up pretty well.
>>139510284>Viv gave them the spotlightBitch didnt even link the backerkit and after the lead animator called her out on that and linked it Viv's fans harrassed her until the animator deleted the reply>>139510433She sold off hazbin, that ship is out of her control
>>139506961>>139508197There's been plenty of valid criticism of Monkey Wrench since it came out. The last thread was full of it and hit the thread limit.
>>139505897It's not totally terrible. It has a lot of competence in some areas (especially animation), but some other areas are lacking (writing in particular). As the end result, it's too average to catch people's attention. That's a serious issue. The show must be able to capture an audience and generate income. If it fails to do so, there's a possibility that they can't afford making more of it. Zeurel himself has said that the show isn't getting as much attention as it needs to get: >>139509501Since the show's creator brought it up, it's relevant to discuss why the show isn't more popular, and what could be done to increase its appeal. Spotting flaws and fixing them is always an essential aspect of improvement. A lot of the criticism that I've seen is made by people who sincerely want the show to become a success. I don't know why there are so many anons in Monkey Wrench threads who take the criticism personally and try to argue that the show is fine as it is.
Monkey Wrench is unwatchable reddit shit
>>139513130Don’t feed the trolls
>>139513352I think people who worked on it try to influence these threads.
>>139512994>>139513018>>139513021oh shit, are we sharing favourite tracks from the MD OST now?https://youtu.be/acjuFHzybMs?si=8gpItJm4rejH1yF3https://youtu.be/qW9KNcYHacc?si=-B1BC_UPOtovPWCv
>>139510522Is....Okay, in all reality the most outputting thing was A. Zoomer humorB. "Umm..So that just happened"But they deminished slowly, so it was only really noticable during the first episode. But with the more serious change to the series, the tonal whip splashbecame far worse, so i guess a teeth for a teethIn all reality the only thing the series manages to capt my interest, is that his creator has done some schizo stuff, so i want to see the eventual tone shift
>>139488316I wonder if the guy who voices Shrike is aware that he, personally, is responsible for the single worst part about Monkey Wrench, or if there’s some cognitive disconnect where he believes everyone who complains about his god-awful voice acting “just doesn’t get it”.
>>139498671It is not fine for what it is, the only thing it has going for it is animation, it is dogshit in every single other aspect. You dont need to be a seasoned critic to see that, thats how bad it is.
>>139509501We want good original shit. Not original shit that is literal shit in every way but animation
>>139512245Optimistically assuming smash hit success
>>139501868>funny sweedThat could either be Joel or pewdiepie and it's pretty obviously the latter.
>>139514142In my opinion, all swedes are "funny" swedes
>>139513940What about it is dogshit exactly.
>>139511609Kek totally mindbroken
>>139513352>>139513124Doing stuff because you want to rather than appealing to the audience is true creator kino, you’re lame as hell if you think a show sucks just because it’s not appealing to tumblr.And face it, that is what the popular indie cartoons are doing. You can like them if you want, but the tumblr appeal is in their DNA.
>>139513340You’ve failed to mention any actual criticism beyond “it’s lame”. That’s nothing, you may as well not even be posting. Last thread was the same, a bunch of coomers pretending to be critics complaining about vague shit that leads nowhere. This mental illness is specific to this brand of anons, just some weird freaks with hate boner for Monkey Wrench. In every other indie show there’s actual complaints but here it’s vague ass shit that barely counts as criticism. Almost like its a bunch of failed creators who want to punch down another unpopular work to make themselves feel better. Just sad.
>This counts as trolling in 2023
>>139514323It's mainly just HB/HH fans. Same for lackadaisy.
>vivzie and her simps right now
>>139514266bad music, unfunny jokes, poor pacing, no stakes, trash design, poor writing, uninteresting main characters, forgettable secondary characters, irritating voice acting, etc
>>139510522I watched Monkey Wrench but the gay robots are way easier on the eyes than what ever the hell that half eaten slim jim of a character
>Monkey Wrench thread turned into a MD/Vivzie thread out of nowhereYou tribefags are insufferable.
>>139489364Change Shrike's VA or get the current VA to do a different voice.
>>139514142How about someone who actually knows how to voice act. I guess this is equivalence of PR celebrity casting.
>>139514323>You’ve failed to mention any actual criticismhttps://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138974589There's been plenty of it from the last few months, especially in this thread. There's just little point in reiterating the same criticisms over and over again until more content comes out or something changes in the actual show. Don't be surprised seeing shitposts in these threads when there's nothing left to talk about.
>>139509117Just put more shots of her feet
>>139507155draw her lifting weightsworkout clothes mandatory
>>139515606The thread has been like that from the start due to fanboys of MD talking shit about Monkey Wrench like it killed their baby. Blame those idiots. Like >>139514486
>>139515606it's just fags like >>139517397 trying to start shit.
>>139517397Interesting how Zeurel cocksuckers whine about how everybody's a hater and that there is no real criticism of the show but fail to actually answer the criticism when its posted.
>>139517397Why are Monkey Wrench hyperstans like this? They whine and complain about how nobody is watching their show and blame "haters" and when people point out the many things wrong with it they sperg out and start blaming MDfags or Vivziefags or Lackadaisyfags or whoever the imagined enemy is today.Monkey Wrench is a bad show, full stop. Zeurel himself is complaining about it being a failure >>139509501 None of the people ripping into it hate it, they simply understand that its not a good product. The fact that people like you cant understand that or refuse to acknowledge that and just stick your fingers into your ears and go "HATERS MDFAGS VIVFAGS" thinking that any criticism of the show is orchestrated by some shadowy enemy just shows how braindead you are.
>>139513825I guess Monkey Wrench is small enough to fly under the radar, but I'm pretty surprised that nobody has called him out for being problematic yet due to his use of Mexican caricature. Also, someone should tell him he'd look a lot better if he just shaved his head and grew a beard. His little comb-over hat is hanging on for dear life and it's time to put it out of its misery.
>>139509501It's just bad and not engaging. It took me 6 separate attempts to sit through episode 1, i didnt even bother with two, this shit is dead in the water. Zeruel needs to either get a writer and start a new series, or spend 5 years learning how to write by doing smaller things.
>>139517929The absolute state of Monkey Wrench stans
>>139517900>It took me 6 separate attempts to sit through episode 1So you have brain damage, got it
>>139517942The absolute state of Monkey Wrench haters
>>139491347>Episode 6 Nigga, this shit ain't ever coming out. Unless Zeurel befriends a billionaire to fund his show like that Big Mouth guy did.
>>139514295It's nice to do your own thing. But if there's money involved, you still need to think about who's your intended target audience and how to get their attention. Otherwise your project's gonna be facing an existential threat. If a show doesn't appeal to people, it won't have fans who are willing to pay for it. This means the creator will eventually run out of money, which will force him to end the show.I suppose some people might think that it's glorious to be a starving artist whose vision is so amazing that nobody understands it. But I don't get the vibe that Zeurel wants to be one of those. He wants the show to be more popular. He has said so.I'm kinda wondering if this anon was correct >>139513427I struggle to remember any other /co/ properties where people are so defensive and oversensitive about criticism. If those anons are working on the show, that would explain their reaction.
>>139517975>Unless Zeurel befriends a billionaire to fund his show like that Big Mouth guy did.The lackadaisy crossover is pretty much his attempt at getting there
>>139517943Seems like you have brain damage considering how Zeurel is thinking of canning this show
>>139518002>how Zeurel is thinking of canning this showOh wow, now this schizo has evolved into conspiracy theories. That's hilarious.
>>139517943My man, this shit was incredibly boring. I love his other stuff but this thing is just bad.
>>139517986>I struggle to remember any other /co/ properties where people are so defensive and oversensitive about criticism.Murder Drone fans. They throw a fit and accuse of you being this fag or that schizo if you criticize the show in their threads. I genuinely dont know, their show has none of the problems this one has. Im not trying to be a tribalfaggot btw just pointing that out.
>>139518048>Im not trying to be a tribalfaggotHe says as he starts tribefagging. You're part of the problem.
>>139518018Yes Im sure Zeurel's twitter account was hacked by the ebil 4chud haters >>139509501
>>139518060No, I was answering his question. He asked if there are any other /co/ properties with anal overdefensive fans and I mentioned one
>>139517986Nigga all thread it's been about your pathetic excuse of criticism rather than actively defending Murder Drones. Nobody here claims it's a masterpiece or a perfect show, it's just that the hate for it is incredibly autistic. At best people think it's fine and enjoyable, you're the one who has this seething crusade over some random indie show. Fuck off already.
>>139518066He's literally selling merch to fund his episodes right now you massive retard. As quick as a Twitter search but you're too fat and lazy to do that.https://twitter.com/Zeurel/status/1699058970147873127
>>139518110>He's literally selling merch to fund his episodes right now you massive retardYeah man, all three of the people who will buy these plushes. And Zeurel will make like what? $50?
>>139518096>you have an evil crusade against poor struggling artist!!!>theres nothing wrong without its just aitist haters!!!Like clockwork. Have yet to see any response to the criticism beyond "s-shut up youre just a s-schizo"
>>139518127So you went from>he's totally cancelling his projectto>haha his funding is gonna failNice goalpost. He's also almost reached his goal.
>>139518110lmfao. And how long will it take for the merch to get enough money to fund his project? We gonna see the next episode in 2025? You really think Zeurel has enough dickrider fans to keep the hype alive the Vivziepop does about her show that will never come out?
I know it sucks but zeruel shouldve absolutely made smaller shorts first to gage interest before committing to this huge expensive pilot. Theres plenty of others who went that route instead and it works. Hell, chkng ngt did nothing but tiny shitposty shorts, and now has a full season deal after continuous popularity proved people will watch. Liam vickers did a whole pilot solol, but outside of that he had a tony of short voice only stories and storyboarded animations. He isnt known for parody works but was doing original stuff from the get go and really built his image at being able to create such stuff, and its why murder drones was such a success.As far as i know zeruel never really did originals before monkey wrench.
>>139518137>Have yet to see any response to the criticismWhat criticism? You're just saying it's bad without saying anything about why it's bad. Literally the only sort of real criticism of the entire thread is the post about "stakes", everything else is just>characters bad, humor bad, hire writersThat's nothing. Your continued seething over some random show is what's funny about all this, not Monkey Wrench being some darling show worthy of being defended. This type of autism is hilarious regardless of what show you'd be attacking.
>>139489364Coom material. If zeurel animates fat tits gainaxing or some shit, coomers like me would watch the episodes all the way through, draw/commission fanart of the coom material, talk about how hot the Monkey Wrench booba character is.
>>139518176Dont bother posting in this thread Monkey Wrench schizos are gonna lose their shit because you arent sucking Zeurels cock
>>139518096I've never seen Murder Drones or participated in any discussion about it. I don't know anything about it and can't comment on it at all.I don't think anons hate Monkey Wrench. It's more like they're indifferent and apathetic towards it, or disappointed that it's not as good as they were hoping.However, if you continue promoting the show this way, I think you might actually make people hate it. Is that your actual goal here?
>>139518164>You really think Zeurel has enough dickrider fans to keep the hype aliveHe's almost reached his goal in selling those out and has 5 days to go, so yeah.This entire thread also started due to the collab between him and Lackadaisy which happened because he has enough clout to hang out with those.
>>139501868>scythelordWhat was Joel's band's name again?
>>139518214>It's more like they're indifferent and apathetic towards it,If they were apathetic towards it they wouldn't stick around a thread for hours to talk about how much they don't care about it.>if you continue promoting the show this wayIf you're that dumb to believe I'm someone working on this show and "promoting it" then that's on you. I ain't related to shit, I just find fascinating the amount of seething this random show has. I'd be equally as intrigued if this were for any other indie cartoon out there. MW was just the target these weirdos got.
>>139518214>I think you might actually make people hate it. Is that your actual goal here?Honestly it seems like that the way this nigger has been seething the entire thread
>>139518176Dont bother posting in this thread Monkey Wrench haters are gonna lose their shit because you aren't clowning on Zeurel
>>139518188Well go on and defend it. Praise the jokes and the characters and the design and the writing and the pacing the way that other anon criticised it for the lack of stakes or the anons in the other thread critcised it. Surely thats going to be easy for you?
>>139488316Lackadaisy sisters, we won.Now can someone make more fanfics with Rocky getting raped by Viktor? the one im reading doesnt have enougth on-screen rape unironically.
>>139518314>still misses the pointClassic schizo.It's not about praising it, it's about your seething hatred for it being odd and retarded. You just say the characters suck but don't mention what about their writing and characterization sucks, you just say they suck and that the show is a failure. That's not criticism or anything worth a damn, you're just moaning. And you've acted with a huge ego over it. If you actually explained any specific reason why the characters don't work or plot is dumb, then fine. But you just say vague shit and act like that's "criticism".I think the show is fine, it wants to be a space comedy and it does that job well enough. It's not amazing and it's not above criticism, but your type of hatred is so autistic that it's just pathetic.
>>139515293What's gay about them? The male one absolutely slays robo-pussy without even trying.
>>139518485So you have nothing good to say about the show beyond>space comedy good
>>139514432Vivzie was already depressed over lackadaisy making 2 million and telling her to fuck off with her money, this partnership may finally make her commit ropeIm so damn happy for lackadaisy's achievements and the seethe they cause on Viv simps, bros
>>139517272Post the REAL one, anon.
>>139518048>>139518085You're literally the same single anon in the entirety of this thread crying about any criticism of Monkey Wrench, completely ignoring the valid points people bring up about it, just to randomly bring up random shows like Murder Drones to complain about them. It's painfully obvious and easy to tell that you're literally just the same dude that is super butthurt about MD for some reason, it's pathetic to watch. Get a new script.
>>139518210It's literally a single guy having an autistic sperg-out. I'm genuinely not sure if it's bait at this point, guy is literally just a broken record player.
>>139518592>EVERYBODY IN THIS THREAD IS ONE GUY!!!>EVERYBODY I DISAGREE WITH IS ONE GUY!!!Sounds like the only schizo here is (you)
>>139502717Something like she has a job for them but they see her as a damsel in distress and cute freeloader.
>>139518501There's no way this faggot is for real, he just repeats the same cope for the entirety of the thread. It almost seems like a falseflag against Monkey Wrench to get people to dislike it more.
>>139518613He certainly doesnt sound like the anons in previous monkey wrench threads who were defending the show, those guys had actual arguments instead of just screeching nonsense. This guy cant even praise his show
>>139518340Viktor wouldn’t do something like that.
>>139518613>>139518648he's just trying to start a tribewar between indie shows
>>139518622The fact you think you're fooling anyone is hilarious, you just say the same shit. Like I said, get a new script if you want to be believable.
>>139518501>>139518592>>139518613>>139518648>>139518668>still going at itPathetic
This dude's cope is unreal.
>>139518750I know, his Monkey Wrench hatred is sad
>>139518658Unfortunely, but someone needs to teach Rocky his place!
>>139518592>>139518677I walk away for 10 minutes and you're already latching on to someone else. Seems you'll just sperg out no matter what so I'll let the others deal with you.
>>139518757We're talking about you.
>>139518782I'm not your boogeyman, retard. Just nobody in this thread likes you or believes your bullshit.
Hot take: I'm going to watch Monkey WrenchI'm going to watch HazbinI'm going to watch HelluvaI'm going to watch LackadaisyI'm going to watch Murder DronesI'm going to watch Boxtownand if Long Gone Gulch manages to move forward, I'll watch that too. Animation isn't a zero sum game.
Monkey Wrench fans, congratulations! You have officially been inducted into /co/ culture with the birth of your new schizo! Now you can join the ranks of Homosuck (Guy), Forbidden Horsey Show (Barneyfag), HH/HB (Stolasfag), Smiling Friends (Neopuritanfag), and many others!Rejoice! From this day on every single thread you guys make is going to be soiled and derailed by a retard who imagines himself to be very funny whinging and crying about the haters!
>>139490086Viv isn’t the john k of modern animation at all, what the fuck are you smoking?Nothing she has done is “pioneering” anything in animation. She’s not the first independent cartoon studio. She’s not even the first independent animation studio that went from web publishing to mainstream distribution. The technical qualities of the animation are very standard.I’ve genuinely seen more people wearing fucking RWBY merch in my town over anybody even hinting that they know viv’s work exists.
>>139518816Based take anon, death to tribalfaggots and oversensitive ultrafansAlthough I sincerely doubt you'll be watching Boxtown. Or Hazbin.
>>139518816>BoxtownWhat is that?
>>139518782>I'll let the others deal with youwoah scary lmfao what an unbelievable faggot you are. Meds, now please Monkeywrenchfag.
>>139518827Hes a tribalfaggot thats why he specifically mentioned Viv
>>139518782>The others>Literally just youfucking topkek
>>139489364>Make the skinny main character less ugly.>Have a plot and make every episode revolve around it. Not just have a vague reference to something, then have the episode be about something else.>Give the main characters motives that make sense. In episode 1 they had no reason to look after that annoying bird and fight off all those bounty hunters when they could have sold him and made much more money.
>>139518848>I sincerely doubt you'll be watching Boxtown. Or Hazbin.why? Hazbin will come out eventually and despite not hitting their second crowdfunding goal, Boxtown is in production.
>Perfectly good thread ruined by shizo baiters and drama fagging queens
>>139512241“mediocre” doesn’t automatically mean “bad”, I know misuse of the word has made it a synonym for “bad” but thats not what the word actually means. Middling, median, right in the middle.its a perfectly fine series but /co/ tends to overhype any competent show and make it sound like some mind-blowing triumph when most of the time they mean “it was good”. I tend to ignore anything /co/ hypes up because half the time its garbage and the other half its just fine with some issues.
>>139518899A thread ruined, by the will of a single man.
>>139518916In this case, Murder Drones is actually consistently high quality - not mediocre or middling. Sometimes /co/ praise is genuine.
i'm sorry you wasted so much time and energy into something lame
>>139518859It's a proposed indie animated series loosely based on a spoof detective/noir world. No, it's not black and white or gritty. Yes, the characters are kind of bubbly in shape and bright in colors. It got some backlash on /co/ because Alex Hirsch and Tara Strong were brought on board to voice characters which apparently is a bad thing? Some people incorrectly assumed this was Hirsch's project. There are like 1 or 2 reeeally dedicated 'spergs who really love shitting on it. One of them who was especially vocal about how much he hated the art accidentally doxxed himself and, surprise surprise, he is the world's shittiest artist and a furry (notable because nearly all of his 'art' is yiff-related). Pic related...it's one of the rare non-explicit drawings but they're all of similar quality. It's hard to say how it will end up, but I'd like to see at least one episode. I think the idea has potential.
>>139519063>he doesn't know
>>139519139If someone draws an anthropomorphized character, that does not necessarily indicate that they are a furry. If someone draws anthropomorphized characters gangbanging while wearing diapers, it DOES indicate that they are a furry.
>>139518816>Animation isn't a zero sum game.Indie market is. Competition, ever heard of it?Every dolar going to lackadaisy was a dollar not.going to Vivzie's fat ass, and thats a good thing.
>>139519270You clearly don't know what a zero sum game is.
>>139519270People can support multiple things you fucking idiot. You tribalfags are more braindead than battleboarders.
>>139519270>Every dolar going to lackadaisy was a dollar not.going to Vivzie's fat ass, and thats a good thing.'dolar(s)'[sic] getting distributed to productions indicates a sum total which is literally the opposite of a zero sum game you fucking moron.
>>139518876>Boxtown is in production.It is? Thought they gave up. As for Hazbin, Im an asoiaffag, once I eagerly awaited the Winds of Winter. I know better now
>>139519576It didn't get crowdfunded, but apparently it's still in development and it has since been changed into a musical, and since not a lot of people like musicals nowadays. I hope the creators behind it make it fun so audiences will have an interest in it.
>>139518816Let us know which one you liked the best and why.
>>139519907If he has any taste he'll put all of Viv's shit on the lowest rank
>>139519648They are working on some storyboards still but are animating scenes. It's been changed to 3D animation instead of 2D.
>>139519907Best to WorstMurder DronesLackadaisyLong Gone GulchHelluva BossMonkey WrenchHazbin Hotel
>>139518816Ultra based, give it a chance before you shit on it. Ive been happily surprised with shows I thought I would hate before.
Redpill me on murder drones
>>139520360Okay.Eldritch Horror kino created by Liam Vickers (the guy that created Cliffiside, Internecion Cube, and wrote a bunch of stories for his old channel Scary Story Time with Liam), initially disguised under a straightforward premise of cute robots trying to survive against murderous monster vampire robots (that also happen to be cute). The plot evolves into a mystery the characters have to figure out, as it's gradually revealed that the initial premise of the show from the first episode was a complete lie perpetuated by the true antagonist of the show that is manipulating events behind the scenes - an Eldritch deity / god / abomination that wants to consume the Universe and everything in it.Watch until Episode 3 if you want to get the entire gist and decide whether it's for you or not.https://youtu.be/rXcBvzM0m2w?si=P7arouQRnuOq4adS
>>139520360Shows initial premise is worker robots live on an exoplanet abandoned by humanity due to nuclear winter or whatever. Human central command finds the planet again and fearing the robots have rebelled, send in dissasembly robots. Worker robots hide in bunkers from the vampiric Murder Drones Attack on Titan style.Or thats what it seems like initially, the show is densely loaded with information and rewatching episodes is a good idea. Also it has a lot of insane superpowered cute girls, which was the specialty of its creator back when he was writing creepypastas
>>139519576>>139519648It's in production. I think the current plan is to use Blender to cut down on animation costs. There is a musical number planned but it's hard to say whether it will actually be a full-on musical or if the tweet that the creator/director put out was hyperbole. I kind of hope it doesn't end up being a full-on musical. I think a rare musical number like early Bob's Burgers was kind of fun, but now that they have a song in nearly every fucking episode it just feels unearned.I still haven't gotten through Centaurworld because the songs in the first few episodes just obliterated the momentum and took me out of the moment.
>>139519907They're different shows and I like them for different reasons. It's hard to pit them in a grudge match and I kind of don't want to. I'm the most eager to see more from Long Gone Gulch. Zach and Tara do really cool shit and I really want to see what they could do with a show of their own. I also wouldn't mind seeing more fun series set in that olde western town type setting. The desert is an underappreciated landscape for animated storytelling.
>>139520485oh shit, I just realized I've been mentally combining Liam Vickers and Karl Hadrika.
>>139520496yeah I saw some of the 3d/blender stuff or assets they were using, though I thought it was from a different project.You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they can
>>139520671I can.. sort of see it?
>>139520690If they hire the guy who did the trash cans song to do the music, I might just kill myself. I think his name was Kevin Timmy Turner Tunes or something
>>139520818Kevin Temmer. And what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right now. Not like they would be able to get him anyway, he's too busy animating for Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus.https://youtu.be/DpAcjzVCKr4?si=kteVOZ0pd8ADtBv4
>>139520929I don’t know, he just gives off pompous douche vibes
>>139520991...What the fuck, literally how?
>>139520690It might be a little of column A/little of column B. I think some of the initial 3d/blender stuff was done by a fan, but they've since been brought on to actually work on the show. How much of that stuff is actually going to be used in the series is hard to say. I'm also waiting to pass judgement because I know that 3d/blender stuff can look completely different once it's fully textured/shaded/rendered/filtered, etc. Blender put out an official animation with two of their proprietary characters recently that looked insanely good.https://youtu.be/u9lj-c29dxI?si=B4s3futxAmIC-Zx->You know theyre going to shove in as many songs as they canWe'll see. At the very least, if they insist on having musical numbers hopefully they actually get musicians to write them. This whole trend of 'someone on the animation team who plays guitar, has a microphone, and is "pretty good" with garageband' writing songs for productions is getting really fucking old. The songs end up being really boring and cookie-cutter because the person doing it has an extremely limited perspective of what music can be. Hire someone who actually knows what the fuck they're doing.
>>139520781there's honestly no good reason for it. I think I came across both of them around the same time I just stuck them in the same mental box for no discernible reason.
>>139521047>>139520690>This whole trend of 'someone on the animation team who plays guitar, has a microphone, and is "pretty good" with garageband' writing songs for productions is getting really fucking old>Kevin TemmerFuck. I guess I spoke too soon. God dammit. RIP.
>>139511052You read my mind
>>139520485>>139520493Thank you both for replying but after viewing I don’t think it is for me
>>139491347>>139491366Should have been in episode 1. You absolutely need a near-human character in those wacky alien space adventure type shows for more people to latch on to.
>>139521152Only good poster of the entire thread
>>139518862>>139518868>>139518803>>139518788Oh wow you really kept going, hilarious
>>139520818>>139520929>If they hire the guy who did the trash cans song to do the music, , I might just kill myself>what's wrong with using him? He's one of the best 3D animators out there right nowI don't know who this is, but your logic doesn't stack up. That's like hiring someone to cut your hair because they're a talented plumber.
>>139520360>>139520485>>139520493>>139520496>>139520690>>139520781>>139520818>>139520929You have an entire Murder Drones thread on the catalog and you decided to do this here?
>>139522429I'm >>139520496. I was not talking about Murder Drones.
>>139522515Sorry about that then
>>139522429It's almost like people were asking questions tangentially related to indie animation on a thread about an indie animation, and recieved answers. You retarded newfag.It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anyway, everything has already pretty much been said. Let people discuss what they want.
>>139522429Half the posts you linked aren't even about Murder Drones, they're about a different show you dipshit. If you don't even know what people are talking about, why complain? Thread's dead anyway.
What is the general consensus on the best and the worst character of MonkeyWrench? A lot of anons have said Shrike is the worst but I actually really like him and think he's charming. Plus a good chunk of the MW fanart I see is of him anyway so clearly he isn't that bad.
>>139523742His design is clearly based on Vash the stampede but that doesn't matter because Vash's design kicks ass and I want more characters that look like him. His personality isn't irritating to me but I can see why the general consensus is he's annoying
>>139523742To me the best character on monkey wrench is Beebs, I don't know why but i like the competent smart bruiser type of this character.He reminds me of jet from cowboy bebop
>>139522429what a fucking retard. Did you actually read any of the posts you linked?
>>139517544kek i was about to say, the neon comb-over is quite a bold move
>>139518502>and telling her to fuck off with her moneythat was a weird thing, is it common for donations to get rejected? I haven't even heard of something like that was it the crew rejecting Vivi or just some bank fuckery mix up?
>>139518110>dude we need a quarter of a thousand grand to make the next 10 minutes animation>Here's a 2 minute animation shilling we managed to make for free btwFucking transparent frauds.
>>139523742Shrike's design is whatever, but his voice is T H E F U C K I N G W O R S TI don't think I'll ever get used to it. It's incredibly grating and the cartoonishly mexican-isms don't add anything to the character. Giving him an accent or having him speak spanglish is fine since it makes about as much sense as an alien speaking english with a midwestern neutral accent, but the actual voice actor needs to be replaced with someone who can see the character as something more than an Adam Sandler sketch. He must be a personal friend of Zeurel's or something because I don't know how the fuck else he booked that gig. This is the same sort of thing that brought down Final Space when Olan Rogers cast HIMSELF as the main fucking character. He was clearly the worst actor of the ensemble and because he was the lead it just absolutely destroyed the fucking show. At this point it seems highly unlikely the voice of Shrike will be replaced so I guess that's that. He'll continue to act and people will continue to complain, and eventually the show will shut down. Perhaps Zeurel will have better luck with his next show.
>>139524423Only 20 seconds of that 2 minute video is animated, what animation there is in that video is of a character sitting behind a desk not doing anything too hard to animate. Also, Zuerel animates all the promo videos himself. He needs the money to pay other animators to work for him so he won't have to do more of the work himself so he can get it out quicker you retard.
>>139524423>anon doesn't know the difference between a short animation of a character behind a desk and an entire animated episode with multiple backgrounds and more than 2 characters interactingKek
>>139524393Vivzi said really shitty things about the Lackadaisy director behind the scenes. Screenshots were leaked and she was caught with her pants down, so instead of apologizing, she made a grand donation to cover for her gaff. Team Lackadaisy didn't want to accept the cash because by doing so they'd implicitly be excusing her behavior, so after failing to convince her to take the money back, they simply rejected the donation. It's like if someone walked up to your wife in a bar, smacked her in the face, then bought the two of you drinks. Would you graciously accept the offer just because a drink is a drink?
>>139524353>>139523689Only one of those posts was not about murder drones, the rest were about that show or anything related to that. There was an entire other thread to take your autism.>>139523644>It's not like there's much to discuss regarding Monkey Wrench anywayThen fucking leave the monkey wrench thread
>>139523742The crystal gal was the best
>>139524645>I mean it's one animation, anon. What could it cost? Ten dollars?
>>139514323I kind of feel like it's all unreasonable really, the show only has 2 episodes out now and MANY shows don't get going well into the middle or late into their 1 season or even second (like Bojack).I think people really should wait to see more before getting their pitchforks out, episode 3 could very easily be the real beginning of the actual "story" of Monkey Wrench. ...or not, whichever comes first.
>console wars about shows that barely existWas it autism?
i regret making this thread. this is why we can't have nice things.
>>139525213Will episode 3 also be when Shrike goes through puberty and his voice changes to a completely different actor?
>>139525306I think it's nice that independent productions are banding together and trying to lift each-other up. That's how it should be. I honestly don't get the ridiculous tribalism and it's 100% being pushed by a few bad-faith 'fans'. Actual rivalries are extreme outliers, and for the most part people want to see their peers succeed. Success for one independent animation means the path is cleared for success of more.
>>139525329What would a better voice for him even sound like?
>>139525587yeah, i hate that every thread here gets overridden with this bullshit. i just wanna talk about boozecats and zeureleven if i have a specific thread topic it always dissolves into discourse and it seriously drives me insane, 'cause i wouldn't be makin threads if i didn't actually enjoy the material. i guess that's not how folks on this board like to operate, though.
>>139524562No, people will discuss what they want especially when the discussion is about general indie animation. If someone asks for information about something they'll usually get an answer. Stop being such a crybaby you little faggot. You can choose to ignore a chain of replies of anons discussing something and look at something else instead of sperging out about it. Also no, read the posts you linked. Half of them, 4 of them, aren't even about Murder Drones as the subject. Absolute bumbling autist, you lack the basic reading comprehension to even get what you're crying about correct.
>>139525686man shut the fuck up. literally just shut the fuck up. nobody cares. i don't even care what you're arguing about, just talk about fucking monkey wrench or lackadaisy or get the fuck outdo you consider this shit enrichment? what do you get on the internet for, to have a miserable fucking time?anyway, pretty excited that one-eye from robo western is back. i was obsessed with that short when it came out
>>139525722Nobody is talking to you, newfag.
>>139525722Jesus christ please consider suicide you fucking redditor, OP really is a fag
>>139525722His new name is Dead Eye now and he has two eyes now what's kinda neat
>>139525893>All of the eye catching characters are in later episodesNot the smartest move for an indie cartoonist imo
You guys are retardedAlso Lackadaisy sucks
>>139525909Not all of the announced designs are good though. This one seems like a clunky mess to me
>>139525616Someone who doesn't sound like a parody of Cheech Marin meets Adam Sandler's Goat character. The fact that the character is supposed to have a mexican accent or speak bits of spanish is fine and an idea that can really make this character unique, but getting a white dude to do a really awful caricature of the aforementioned influences was a bad way to go. His voice could be less...shouty? Less gruff...maybe a bit smaller. Like, not twerpy, but a bit more smooth. The character is skinny and waify, but he is excitable. His voice should be a little nerdier and maybe more collected when he's not losing it so when he goes off the contrast is funnier. Oddly enough, Lackadaisy does this really well with Freckle. His meek demeanor contrasts well with his slightly unhinged ultra-violence mode. Shrike's voice, on the other hand, is like a white guy's parody of an angry mexican. I think it would work better if his character oscillated between cool calm collected and a little suave to kind of losing it but not in a loud fucking Adam Sandler goat way, but just kind of a bit more unhinged...muttering to himself and getting faster in his speaking so you know there's a storm raging inside, but he's kind of keeping it barely reigned in (until the few moments when he really goes off half cocked). It would make those moments feel more like an event instead of the guy who is always fucking annoying just being more fucking annoying. I don't have a lot of references in my back pocket because acting isn't my thing, but tone-wise maybe like a slightly deeper version of Ignacio on Better Call Saul with more of an accent and slightly more neurotic. Kind of suave and faux confident and tries to act like he has things together, but you can tell he's a ball of nervous energy.
>>139525616>>139526049cont. I'm not an actor or a vocal coach or a director so I lack the expertise to create a voice for a character and lack the vocabulary necessary to describe what I think could work better. That said, I don't think I have to have that sort of background to be able to have the opinion that the current voice just isn't working. I don't have to know how to bake to know that a loaf of bread tastes bad, nor should I be expected to know how it could be fixed in order to be able to have that opinion. As a single consumer, all I can say is that it tastes off. It's up to the baker to check out the loaf and decide whether they want to do anything about that. It's entirely possible Shrike is exactly how Zeurel wants him and if that's the case, c'est le vie. But I'm far from being the only one who hates the current voice so I think it's at least worth consideration.
>>139525972i like his head and face a lot at least
Why does Ashley cope avoid collapse like this? It'd do wonders for her readership to piggyback on these media events yet she avoids it like shart in a confessional
>>139526351are you lost?
>>139526365I guess, I just thought that having a thread about niche artists collaborating to promote little known projects may pertain a bit to unsounded; but fuck me right?
Do you care her?
>>139526445I want to.
>>139526422Maybe you could elaborate since none of us know who Ashley is?
>>139527203Ashley Cope author of unsounded Ehh don't sweat it, this thread doesn't seem like the time or place.
>>139489490It's not a problem that it's a masculine adventure series; the problem is it's surprisingly boring.
>>139526422You jumped in to a conversation with an interjection as if we’ve all been privy to your inner thoughts for the last several hours. Context is a good thing, anon
>>139526445>that robot arm Why does Zeurel insist on making this as difficult and time-intensive to produce as possible?
>>139528568Now that you mention it, that hair would be a bitch to manage in action sequences.