The Web Head has the greatest collection of rogues ever, and they deserve a thread to talk about them. From A list to D, talk about your favorite Sinister bad guys of Spider-Man.Mysterio is by far one of the most endearing and fun Spidey villains ever. How do you think he operates, and what is in his go-to toolset?
>>139474865For me, it’s Hammerhead
>>139474865Still my fav. Although that's mainly because of Spectacular Spider-Man.
>>139476217Spidey's organized crime/gangster villains are underappreciated. Feels like recent events have been a monkeys paw>Story coming up about a gang war>Comics are written like shitHammerhead, Tombstone, Silvermane, Crime Master, they're all great.How would you update The Enforcers?
>>139476357>Alex RossTalentless hack who can only paint men in Halloween costumes, and has no sense of motion to his art, and no vision to make anything otherworldly, hence why his art always looks like men in Halloween costumes. Spectacular Electro was cool though.
>>139476831I like Alex Ross because his style of realism applied to comics looks good and is unique for the medium. Sure his work isn't the most dynamic but what to do you expect when he's having real people pose in costumes to draw stuff?
>>139476357>>139476831I don't care what anyone says, I like Insomniac Electro
>>139476919It's not a bad concept, but it should've been a green shirt/jacket with the lightning-bolt patterned metal being yellow
>>139476831damn nigga all I did was google "electro spider man"
>>139476733>How would you update The Enforcers?Make them a Black Ops squad
>>139477019I still appreciate the cleverness of the device silhouette overlaying the yellow shirt to create the lightning imagery
>>139474865his most underrated
>>139478105He deserves Sandman's fame and status
>all of them were created in the ditko eraFood for thought
>>139474865>The man who saved Spider-man from the only story worse than one more day.An actual hero.
>>139478784>>139478877For a good while, he was. For decades, Hydro Man was the primary spidey villain, and Sandman was a Fantasic Four/Avengers villain. Then for seem reason they seemed to push him again during the 90s.
for me it would be:In this order:Doc OckShockerKarvenHobgoblinHydro-manSilvermaneHammerheadTombstone
>>139476831>and no vision to make anything otherworldlycoping faggot who didn't read Fantastic Four: Full Circle
>>139476831>Talentless hack who can only paint men in Halloween costumes, and has no sense of motion to his art, and no vision to make anything otherworldly, hence why his art always looks like men in Halloween costumes. Spectacular Electro was cool though.>Look at me, trying to be special by hating popular things. Dude, being a hipster stopped being cool 10 years ago. Let it go, and shave that stupid beard.
>>139474865I love Hobgoblin (Kingsley) and really wish he was adapted in more media
>>139476217Oh, that's a shame, because I came in here specifically to talk about how much Hammerhead sucks.Fuck that guy. Now Tombstone, there's a respectable mobster!
>>139478801I'm reading through the old Spider-Man comics now, and it really does amaze me how many of these villains were created, and have remained practically unchanged, in the first 30 Spider-Man comics. Like, sure, some of his bigger hits like Venom don't show up until much later, but practically everyone recognizable was with Spider-Man from the beginning.
>>139478105I really like how he play's off with Shocker being impulsive, unprofessional and being fairly stupid with his powers. Yet having more confidence, ambition and aggressiveness then Herman that gives them a nice contrast and makes them have a fun friendship at times, shame Hydro-man got offed by carnage
>>139481008>Mark Hamill voiced Hobgoblin in The Animated Series.Just bring him in as Kingsley for new MCU film. It's that simple.
>>139476181Bump on what?
>>139476919Insomniac Electro’s cool it’s just his design that’s lacking
What is it about Sandman that makes writers want to redeem him? He used to be an Avenger, in Raimi-Man 3 he was only doing crime to help his daughter/got forgiveness from Peter about Uncle Ben, and in Spectacular he saved the oil tanker crew from dying and basically sacrificed himself
>>139481408he's an old man now but he would kill that roleI think they're trying to set up the fat friend from the other three films as Hobgoblin now that they don't remember who Peter is but it would be cool to do both as a twist
>>139481867A bump of coke man you want some?
>>139481217yeah theyre great but i doubt morris is actually dead i mean hes literally made out of water
>>139474865>The Web Head has the greatest collection of rogues ever,If by that you mean Flash then yes. I agree. Spider-Man has a long list of knockoffs and guys in animal costumes that mostly suck.
>>139476357What was the name of that storyline where he became really powerful and also became psychotic?
>>139482868Weren't they the Syndicate back in 90-91 with Rhino and Beetle?
For how many Normanfags shit up Spider-Man threads you’d think you’d see a lot more posts about Green Goblin, not Shocker and Electro lol
>>139482981yup in deadly foes of spiderman>>139483032he clears that mid
>>139483066What can I say, lightning and sonic shockwaves are cooler than goblins
I see gwenschizo came to seethe here.
How can Peter have some baddies who legit have op powers but still stay on a lower level. Are they really that retarded
>>139483246i think the basic idea is that peter humiliates them so badly that they never have time to figure out their powers beyond “how to kill/beat spider-man”
>>139480161There's nothing really to do with Sandman other than "Hey, he's reformed". He's fought the Hulk, got that weird green armor that one time, and that's about it up until he died on that beach.Hydro-Man at least has pathos since Peter is directly responsible for his condition, and he's thematically great for Spidey. Washed the spider out, and all that
>>139481008I never got the appeal of Hobgoblin. It's 5 different knockoffs of Green Goblin. I'm not surprised he's now being regulated as a Miles villain. I know people have a nostalgic fondness for him thanks to the 90s cartoon, but I can't ignore Norman is like THE Spidey villain.I suppose if you wanted to have a stand-in there's always Jack O'Lantern instead
>>139482116>he's an old man now but he would kill that roleTo be fair, he's like a year younger than Keaton. And also all main villains in MCU's Spidey films were awesome. Mark already has some experience from years back (even though it wasn't Kingsley in the TAS) and they could lean into nostalgia over cartoon.While I want future Holland film be more standalone and no turn into glorified street level team-up story, borrowing the "Hobgoblin comes after Fisk" (especially if he becomes a mayor) would be a great direction I think.>I think they're trying to set up the fat friend from the other three films as Hobgoblin nowYeah, I doubt he would come back (and, hopefully, Zendaya too). There was an easter egg concept floating around recently and I think one or two scenes in NWH is where it would've ended.
Let's talk about Mysterio and how he operates>Dome helmet provides digital readout on suit, his robots/drones, and a live feed of what's being recorded>Suit has protective armor and provides enhanced strength. Material has cloaking capabilities >Gauntlets have offensive capabilities such as electric shock or lasers, help project holograms, and also can serve as remotes for his various devices >Cape adds flair but also can hide cannister for his fog, which can be used as a backdrop for certain hologramsWhat are Beck's go-to illusions? Giant snake? A dragon? Bats? Demons? Does he prefer complete robot doppelgangers with him in the field, or floating drones that look like his head or eyeballs?
>>139474865Hello people! This weekend I started making a short comic about BlackCat (Gameverse),JUST FOR TRAINNING, I hope you like it, If I continue with the 5 pages that I have in mind, I will post them here…
>>139482868WTF, they never called themselves the Foes
>>139483841i like the head drones more desu>>139484111YOU CAN DRAW SO WELL>>139484173they just did
>>139483378That’s basically what he did to Norman. Even when he was leading SHIELD the second someone mentioned Spider-Man he almost went full Stormin’ Norman
>>139484111RNZ, I admire your work. Seriously. Also appreciate you taking a crack at the gamerverse.If you're taking requests, could you doodle Gamerverse villains, or maybe your takes on what villains whom have yet to appear in that universe could look like? Keep up the good work
>>139483066desu, these villainthreads just end up talking about Electro and Shocker, with the others just getting a few mentions since they don't actually have that many dedicated fans here (or turns into a coomerthread if the White Rabbit fags show up). ASM is currently running with Norman being a major part of the story anyway, so naturally he'll be talked about more. Beyond era, where he didn't show up, had much less discussion about him. >>139483498>I suppose if you wanted to have a stand-in there's always Jack O'Lantern insteadI don't think any of the Jacks have had the presence to be the stand-ins when Norman isn't the Goblin. Sidekick or ally is more likely, I think it's a pity Gold Goblin introduced that element, but killed the Jack off so quickly.
>>139482088atleast in sm3 it works with the themes of the film. in drew goddards sinister six he was supposed to be outright bad. i wonder if that movie could still be made
>>139484111You've got a nice style and I can see you're pretty good at facial expressions, tooThe only thing I'd say is that you should flip that middle panel close up of Black Cat, because it randomly breaks the 180 rule before flipping back. It's kinda jarring.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180-degree_rule
>>139483841>What are Beck’s go-to illusions?Probably depends on his mood (or what the artist wants to draw) so it’s mostly things like giant monsters or big animals like snakes and spiders
>>139476357Thoughts on Jamie Foxx electro?
I like Hobgoblin, but he should be impersonal and business-like to contrast a more personal threat of Norman. If Slott did one thing right throughout his shit run, it's making him a black market-based supervillain.
>>139474865for me its Venom. I miss when symbiotes werent oversaturated and bloated with cosmic BS lore.
>>139484904My two cents:Villain Venom > anti-hero Venom.You could keep Eddie as Anti-Venom to keep his character development and give Venom to Gargan. Except not make him a joke this time and make him exactly what one of the Spider-Man's oldest villains who's already a physical powerhouse compared even to Spidey would be like if he was enhanced by Venom symbiote. Maybe even explore his PI past to make him more than just a dumb brute.
>>139474865I know this won't happen, but I'd really like it if the upcoming Spiderman game (or open-world superhero games in general) used lesser-known villains as random events in the open world, like the random carjackings and robberies, but rarer. Imagine just swinging around and all of a sudden seeing stilts man walking across the city or the kangaroo hopping away from an armored transport or having to track down the foreigner as he snipes you from far away or having to web up the beetle.
>>139484983Basically what Ultimate did with Shocker and Boomerang?
>>139484953youre goddamn rightI never liked goofy anti-hero Venom, or the direction the character took. Coupled with all the bloated Knull / King in Black / Cosmic lore that im sick of. Venom works best as an evil monster with nothing but disdain for both Peter and Spider-Man
>>139484983>>139485001This. Id love for this to be a mechanic again. A good way to reuse past game baddies without bogging down the story/side missions, and truly feels like a Spidey experience. Though I’d want them replayable through the App mechanic to ensure the frequency of the encounter isn’t absurd
>>139483498Jack O'Lanten works best as an opportunistic merc for hire who often gets in way over his head. I've recently read the first chunk of the Spidey by Roger Stern omnibus (need to get back to it, desu) and I enjoyed pic related>Jack O'Lantern is taken to a hospital and ends up holding it hostage with his gang>Spidey sneaks his way in, takes out the gang like it's nothing and frees the hostages>him and Jack O'Lantern have a brief fight>Jack eventually realises Spider-Man completely and utterly outclasses him and tries to just get the fuck outta there
>>139485077The best part of Stern's Spider-Man is that he actually respects the character
>>139474865>no actual powers>still manages to be a significant threat>still manages to be one of the most iconic and recognizable spidy villains how can one man be so based?
>>139474865>The Web Head has the greatest collection of rogues evernot even top 5
>>139484432With the state of Sony’s Spider-Manless Spider-Man universe? Not likely and that’s ignoring the strike still going on
>>139485380Who’s better then?
>>139485632i thougt the whole point of the sonyverse was to build up to a sinister six movie
>>139485742Yeah but they keep making some stinkers. The Venom movies are ok but that’s probably bias cause I like Venom, and Morbius is hot shit. Kraven looks ok but it’s just one trailer. Besides they keep making them anti-heroes instead of villains even though the Sinister Six are supposed to be a team of villains. And who are they going up against if Sony can’t use Spider-Man?
>>139485345He's just very, very hard to do wrong.>great design>great gimmick that allows for some real creativityEven a clunker like Far From Home did Mysterio pretty well
>>139474865green goblin is the fucking coolest shit in the entire world imo. My uncle had this statue when I was a kid... (https://www.sideshow.com/collectibles/marvel-green-goblin-sideshow-collectibles-400101)... scared the fucking shit out of me. Idk man ever since then I think hes the goat. Also this statue is a work of art its so realistic
>>139485862goddard described his sinister six as being like reservoir dogs and a dirty dozen so i dont think spiderman is exactly necessary to be in it even tho itd kinda weird or maybe theyll do live action miles before and its that spiderman. really i dont get why they dont just only make a venom and sinster six movie
>>139485345It pretty much boils down to this scene from Megamind https://youtu.be/dy2zB8bLSpk?si=1HDCROquF-5N2w4b
Has there ever been a story where Mysterio goes up against Dr Strange?I feel like there must be, because it's such an obvious match-up
>>139484111Damn, that's some pretty damn good work anon!>>139484953>give Venom to GarganI low-key hope that Sony's autism leads to MCU Gargan becoming Scorpion solely via symbiote. Keep him at first as that Ultimate-like gang boss, but then he bonds with symbiote and it turns into black Scorpion suit.>>139485862>And who are they going up against if Sony can’t use Spider-Man?Who said they can't. If anything, it's the other way around: I recall the story of Marvel wanting to have Kraven in Black Panther, but that didn't work out. Not to mention that She-Hulk creators wanted Spidey cameo and that idea got quickly turned out.I already made peace with the idea that the likes of Black Cat won't be part of Tom Holland's Spider-Man story because of Sony. However, I think it leaves room for Marvel to be creative with some "literal who" that would otherwise remain unused like pic related.>>139485941>theyll do live action miles before and its that spiderman.I'm still convinced that Sony is keeping Morales as Spider-Man for their universe. That just makes the most sense in this situation.
>>139485723Name one venom villain
>>139486140Honestly I’d prefer if Miles was used for a Sinister Six movie
>>139486163carnagethe xenophagejack o'lanternonly one of these is actually original to Venom (even then its a villain for all symbiotes, not just him)
>>139486192...why? They're not his villains (not that it matters with Mr. Peter's left-overs)
>>139486237I know but we’ve already got three Peter’s so why not just finally do live action Miles? They’re already planning to do it somehow
>>139485941Maybe I’m just hanging on too tightly to seeing Spidey finally go against the Sinister Six in live action. Cause a heist movie with the Six sounds dope as hell
>>139486292excuse me, I'm confused. You just want a live action Miles, right? So why do you want him to fight a group that consists of a selection of Peter's most famous villains? You could make the argument that jobbers like Spot are fine to throw Miles' way since Peter doesn't give a shit about him, but people like Kraven and Scorpion and such have very specific histories with Peter and it makes no sense to have them fight Miles. To say it's just an alternative version of them just means you want the image of the villains, but not their personalities, which is what made the characters endure all these years.
>>139480773>Spot and Panda-mania togetherOh my crack ship is really floating!I just thought the idea of black and white villains going to see a black and white movie was cute. I don't actually ship them.
>>139486391Dude relax it’s not that big a deal
>>139486356they could just retcon it to be in the andrew garfield universe like how it was supposed to be or maybe they could just do mcu sinister six even tho nwh already kinda did it
Does The Lizard have any good stories apart from his origin story?
>>139486498actually i wouldnt mind if they would do their own sonyverse spiderman and just never have him reveal his identity in the movie
>>139486498To be fair with NWH it was more like the Fearsome Five. And they weren't really a team, more like five loose cannons running around. Which I think is much more dangerous since there’s no cohesion to the threat it’s all just lighting, sand, terrorism, and trying to turn people into lizards and building a sun machine
>>139486551true but it really only felt like 2 villains cuz the lizard was kinda just there, the sandman had no reason to oppose spidey & doc ock was on spidermans side. now that i think about it they could do a true mcu sinister six
>>139486541>never have him reveal his identity in the movieIt would make sense in the movie since he’d be the antagonist and the audience isn’t spending that much, if any, time with him
>>139486192Sure.With Miles' villains.Frost Pharao, Sparrow....Selim, his 4 armed clone, his retard clone, and... his alt-dimension self?
>>139486603shit i kinda actually rather have that than a mcu sinister six film
>>139486601Even though he didn’t get a lot of play I really enjoyed the use of the lizard. He was just a weirdo. I loved “I could give you a real makeover.” “Into a lizard?” “Exactly!”
>>139486391>You could make the argument that jobbers like Spot are fine to throw Miles' way since Peter doesn't give a shit about himSpot's power set is great and dangerous, I really don't understand how he became such a jobber.That being said, I suppose I may have just liked his TAS version who was more of a miscreant than a villain; when the chips were down he did the right thing.
>>139485656Batman, obviouslythe FlashGreen LanternFantastic FourSuperman
>>139486498>>139486551>>139486601I still think they should’ve tossed vulture or scorpion in there, if only to have six villains
>>139486759I hope there saving Scorpion for Tom’s Spider-Man 4
>>139478105This guy can legit flood the whole city. Literally Ultimatum.
>>139486669lovely fella. wish they used the unused lizard design tho just say he mutated more or something
>>139486541Sony really has no reason to keep Spidey in the MCU, especially since it’s no longer as popular as it used to be. Spider-Man can exist just fine in his own movie verse just as he did before and still make the billions.
>>139486759mysterio was originally supposed to be in>>139486832eh sony makes alot of money with the mcu movies
>>139486805I don’t know why they’re so scared to commit to the lab coat look. I get the purple pants they might look a little garish so just do what they did in Spectacular
>>139486873nah, letting mysterio stay dead was one of the few good choices the movie made
>>139486805>>139486881It's really not hard to just slap a lab coat on him, and I hate that apparently something as simple as that is just seen as too much by most adaptations.If he doesn't have the lab coat, then he's just a really big lizard and that's kind of boring.
>>139486873They make a lot of money because it’s Spider-Man. He’s the most popular superhero in the world. The Raimi movies made a billion each in today’s money. They don’t need the MCU, the MCU needs them.
>>139486873>Come on Strange hit me with your best shot!>I can literally send you to hell
>>139486881>>139486929he briefly had one in tasm>>139486910true>>139486939the amazing movies didnt make that much tho or atleast 2 didnt for a spiderman movie
>>139486929>he’s just a really big lizardAt least Insomniac’s making him a pseudo kaiju that’s pretty neat
Not sure if current writers remember but I like that Connors and Lizard are now two separate beings independent from one another thanks to the gene splitter machine Peter was hit with at the start of the Spencer run. Connors gets to be free of his condition, supporting his lizard son & wife, while Lizard gets to be a monster that's allowed for repeat stories moving forward
>>139487059A win for everyone
>>139487095Wouldn't it be wild if there was a story where Connors and his family were on the run from his darker half, it thinking it has claim to the family since they're half reptile too?
>>139474865>Mysterio is by far one of the most endearing and fun Spidey villains ever. How do you think he operates, and what is in his go-to toolset?You know, I loved the way they handled him in Spectacular Spider-Man. He's introduced along with Phineas Mason, the Tinkerer, as the guys who help The Chameleon pull off impersonating Spider-Man. Mason provides the tech, Beck the special effects, and The Chameleon handles the character work. It's a neat way to show a villain working up the ranks to doing his own thing. He's all got the best line:>Demitasse, Spider-Man?
>>139487119Oh shit that sounds fucking metal
What do you think of "out of costume" Mysterio in the gamerverse? I have no doubt he'll suit up, just curious what your thoughts are concerning his "behind the scenes" look and theories on the scam he's running
>>139487201It’s pretty stylish ngl. Theatrical but not over the top, let’s just see how well he pulls off the fishbowl
>>139487201Is that confirmed to be Mysterio yet, or are people just going off of the purple clothes and green background?
>>139487139I love how offended he got when Spider-Man didn’t remember him>I was in Chameleon’s gang remember?!>Oh yeah you were the crewman!>The waiter!! Don’t you remember; “Demitasse, Spider-Man?”>Yeah whatever
>>139487264Well he did show up right after the Mysterio icon on the map showed up
>>139486530There’s the one where the Lizard takes full control over the body and eats Curt Conners kid to prevent Conners from being the dominant personality again.
>>139487233Figures the theater major narcissist is wearing a damn scarf>>139487264The gold decals on the wrists/jacket front match up with Mysterious costume too, specifically the gauntlets and eyeball pins for his cape. It's not an outright confirmation but this mixed with the giant glowing green eyeballs on the city map make a strong case
>>139486998That was back when the MCU was at their peak. Now that they’re no longer trendy, Spidey can stand on his own without it.
>>139486788he actually threatened to do that
>>139487321i suppose it depends on the success of the next movie. i just dont see why they would reboot it again
>>139487352NYC’s a coastal city too. Dude’s an endgame-level threat.
>>139487387I think NYC has some form of anti-flooding measures.Then again, those measures probably don't take into account the flood being sentient and malicious. This isn't New Orleans.
Shocker deserves respect, dammit
>>139487500He’s the best
>>139486727>Batman Sure, but I’d say they’re equal>the flash Reverse flash and an ape, not a great gallery>Green lantern Sinestro is only good villain>fantastic fourDr Doom is only good villain >supermanAlmost but not quite
>>139486192Personally, I just don't see Sony letting Miles into main MCU after Insomniac games and Spiderverse films. Sony Spider-Man's Universe and Sinister Six for him it is then.>>139486541>and just never have him reveal his identity in the movieThis idea is too good for Sony.>>139486498>>139486601>mcu sinister six...I actually want them to do Superior Foes...>>139486784I hope for fifth film. Symbiote is clearly coming in for Avengers and fourth Spidey will likely come in before even with the strikes.
>>139487368Because the MCU is over. No one wants these legacy characters, they want the original guys that started it all.
>>139487721The reason I say fourth despite the symbiote probably being in it is that you have him be Scorpion and he gets his shit rocked by black suit Spidey. Then Peter gets rid of it and it goes to Gargan making him MCU Venom
>>139487387good thing he never actually does it lol>>139487721>...I actually want them to do Superior Foes...i just want one of them to do sinister six>>139487826i feel like most people would get mad at sony for taking him from the mcu especially if theryre only gonna put him in mid or trash again afterwards
>>139483841I like the drones, they're more versatile and probably easier to move around from his base to his crime scenes.One of Mysterio's biggest strengths is preparedness, so I like to think he does a little digging on who he's going after to personalize his illusions effectively.
>>139487962General audiences won’t care as long as they get Spider-Man. Remember, most people aren’t geeks who give a shit about that stuff.
>>139488060>personalized illusionsDo you think there’s any lines here won’t cross when it comes to that? Like if he found out someone had a dead kid would he make an illusion of it to screw with them?
>>139488137I'm leaning toward yes if only because I don't think he's above emotional manipulation, but I also don't think it'd be his first choice if a big terrifying monster would do the job just as well.
So in preparation of Spider-man 2 can someone recomend me some Kraven, Venom and Lizards stories.
>>139488060I never really thought about nor was concerned with how Mysterio pulled off his illusions, kinda like how knowing a magic trick lessens the fun. However the answer the MCU came up with is....actually kind of awesome, and makes total sense. In comics I just now picture these drone orbs floating in place, cloaked, each acting as a camera recording the entire show while also serving as weaponized projectors creating elaborate holograms that use the terrain and built in deadly gadgets to make what the person is seeing feel real
>>139488350Here's some good recs i have saved for Kraven and Venom
>>139488135depends on the quality of the movie
>>139488350>KravenFirst appearance, Kraven's Last Hunt, Hunted by Nic Spencer
>>139484904I liked Venom as just a low level villain that just plain hated Spider-Man. He never tried to conquer the world or take over Manhattan, he's just a dick that gets into fights and does things to fuck with Peter.
>>139488441same. Him being all smug and shit and rubbing it in Peters face were the best parts
>>139487201I dig the casual outfit but I'm really waiting to hear how he looks/sounds in costume.In the story trailer it looks like he has some kind of physical setup going on at Coney Island, so I'm interested in how openly he's operating. ...Or they're pulling an Arkham and the glowing green is just supposed to draw your eye to Mysterio Trophies.
>>139488467oops, forgot my image
>>139488408>>139488431Thanks man.>>139488401Never got the hatred to Mysterio in this universe.>He's a guy Tony Stark fired.Okay but it's a logical connection and added to a connection of Tony's legacy.Also while I'm here...I liked Peter's relationship with Tony, I know people are pissed about Ben, but Honestly we have three movies where he's a big deal, let's focus on something else for once.
>>139484904>>139485037>>139484953>>139488441This does raise an interesting point though, Venom went antihero really real quick after showing up. To the point where I cannot really tell just what a typical Vemon plot might be if he remained a villain ever after. All he has is revenge on spidey, but he also knows too much so that any new appearance would just be Eddie showing up in Peter's apartment every time. That wold get old really fast, so what would a typical Venom plot look like if he remained a villain forever?
>>139488489No prob anon>>139487201Fits him honestly, like >>139487233 said, it looks like something a theatre kid would wear. Hope they do the fishbowl justice
>>139488473atleast if sony made multiple bad movies like how dc tarnished its brand
>>139488514He doesn't have a lot of villain motivation outside of revenge against Peter and maybe Jameson, which would put him as more of a modern Scorpion type of guy, maybe he teams up with other villains as the muscle. But he kind of falls right into the same category as a lot of dumb lug who got superpowers one day Spidey villains like Hydro Man, Sandman, or Electro, he would just throw his weight around and rob people, get into punchups with other heroes around Manhattan, start trashing things in traffic one day until some hero shows up to stop him, the usual.
>>139488489The only flaw is pathos, specifically Quinten hating Stark instead of Peter.
>>139488514A change from villain to anti-hero was practically inevitable, but IMO a hypothetical villain venom to the end would go something like this>Venom keeps fucking with Peter and upping his game, targetting loved ones and amassing a higher kill count>Venom takes over other characters with the symbiote, probs other villains (id kill to see a venomized sinister six)>Becomes a threat to other Avengers and gets bored with just Peter>Carnage, Toxin and the life foundation symbiotes would have their arcs and future storylines changedOf course, this is all just speculation from some anon
>>139488582That's the issue of placing Spidey in an already established universe. He'd be dealing with the scraps from others, nothing to really call his own. That's why Spidey usually starts up at the same time as everyone else. That way, he's able to get his own stuff to himself.
>>139488624So Web of Shadows?
>>139488624Would this Venom still be Eddie Brock, or someone else? Who'd hate Spidey so much to go to these lengths?
>>139488723What if it was Gargan? I remember an anon saying earlier Gargan venom would work well. Mac hates Spider-Man as much, if not more than Eddie
>>139488582>only flaw is pathosI never got that complaint. Not every villain needs a personal connection to Peter. Besides him being so petty because “He named my invention B.A.R.F” shows how petty he is. He talks a big game about wanting his team to get the recognition they deserve but really he’s just a glory hog with a chip on his shoulder that’s so big he’s willing to kill a kid, and a few blocks worth of British civilians, just to look good
>>139487671>Sure, but I’d say they’re equalnot even close. even if you removed all of batman's a- and b-list foes he'd still have a better rogues gallery than spider-man.>Reverse flash and an ape, not a great galleryyou're forgetting the rogues>Sinestro is only good villainthe lantern corps are as cool as they are stupid and his planet-bound baddies are no slouch either.>Dr Doom is only good villainyeah but dr doom is really good>Almost but not quiteparasite does the "ordinary crook with powers he doesn't know how to use" shtick better than any spider-man villain that attempts it.
>>139488830With a majority of Peter's villains in comics, there is a deep rooted hatred towards Parker. This obsession is a constant derived from failure, and his jokes that made them all look foolish at one point or another. We're talking about a shared hatred that made 6 of them team up on several occasions. It's not trivial, it's a fundamental theme
>>139488902gotta agree. Dr doom is one of the first when i think of "marvel villain" or just "comic book villain" as a whole. Also yeah including the rogues, Flash is a good contender
>>139487873Had this idea awhile back. It adapts the Death of Jean DeWolfe but switching out the Sin-Eater for Gargan and incorporating Symbiote Spidey.>Mac kills Jean>Symbiote Spidey hunts down Mac>Spidey wants to kill Mac, but decides not to.>The Symbiote tries to force Spidey to make the kill, but he manages to over power and remove it.>The Symbiote merges with Mac to create MCU Venom.>Spidey with possibly some help of another hero, fights Venom.That other hero can be the Punisher, so with him:>Jean's an old friend of Frank's from back when he was on the force.>Frank thinks Spidey killed Jean and goes looking for him. This could either be from him finding Spidey at the scene or the Daily Bugle claiming it was Spidey who did it.>Frank finds out that Spidey is innocent and Mac was the one who did it.>Him and Spidey team up to fight Venom>After beating Mac, Spidey wants to leave him for the police, but Frank has other plans and kills Mac.>The Daily Bugle could claim that it was Spidey who killed Mac. This with instances of aggressiveness due to the symbiote, can lead to Spidey being seen in a negative light by the public.
>>139488735Making him Venom makes a lot of sense given he's the Scorpion.
>>139488929To be fair, that's a little easier to do in an actively running comic series than it is in a movie. The sinister six can only exist after Peter has already pissed off enough supervillains for that to happen. There has to be a first defeat to draw that hate from.
>>139488929They hate Spider-Man that’s for sure. Only Norman and Venom (when he was a villain) hated Peter himself. When Vulture found out he didn’t know who Peter was, in fact he was kinda disappointed that he was beaten by “some guy”
>>139488974plus we already got a taste of him as Venom once and man was he brutal.
>>139488957I really like this idea but I would change it so that Peter stops Frank. That way we still can have a Scorpion and or Venom for future projects. Besides people already don’t like Spider-Man cause of the whole London fiasco
>>139484111you should definitely draw something with Silver Sable from the Gamerverse, she was so sexy
>>139488996I don't care what anyone says. Adding eyes to the design was a good choice.
>>139487119that just sounds like a family custody fight which honestly sounds like a really fun story
>>139487620you know it's a shame Shocker never got to beat or kill a Scourge of the underworld considering that guy gave poor Herman actual trauma
>>139488514I would play on the antihero aspect by having Eddie think he is a hero. He shows up and mercilessly mauls a purse snatcher to death, thinking he did good. But he terrifies every bystander since he is a huge clawed, fanged monster, that mauls victims. But Eddie never thought of himself as a villain, just wronged. The symbiote also adventured around and fought crime on it's own with Peter, it just does not really understand humans or laws well. But the mix of the two minds makes for a delusional monster that picks and chooses people almost at random and attacks them for being evil. Prompting other heroes to come stop him.
>>139488137he'd have to think reaaaal hard on what illusion is acceptable and he's willing to do for a woman who was a rape victim
Huh, so this is what fun threads anon/co/ are like?Back on topic though what did everyone think about Phin from the Miles Morales game, kind of meh but she was a better final boss the Otto.
>>139488514Make Venom the symbiote not the combination of Eddie and Symbiote. Either Eddie dies early on or is arrested and the Symbiote takes over some other guy and they go around being a costumed evil spider guy that causes trouble. Then repeat with a new host every few years. The look of the character remains the same though, huge ripped black spider suit guy with webs.
>>139489553discussing spider-man shit with other comic book nerds is nice.
>>139489553I like her gear and her themed mooks, her personality was unpleasant but her villain aesthetic was nice and wouldn't mind being carried over to the comics, could even have it be Tinkerer training an apprentice to take over his buisness but she is a bit more ambitious and got a chip on her shoulder about being villain I.T support
>>139489569I dont think this would ever happen but having Eddie be dead while Venom is piloting his skeleton a la Spider-Man 3 would be brutal as shitIm picturing Peter trying to get through to Eddie, Venom laughs and peels back the symbiote revealing Eddies warped skull
>>139474865Definitely 80s HobgoblinBack when we had no idea who he was, he was great at doing a major crime and getting away, he improved on all of Norman's gadgets, was not a goofy laffy comical trickster type, and his look was a definite improvement over Norman.
>>139483066I didn't mind Norman for the longest time, but I did not like how they tried to hype him up as one of the biggest villain players in universe in the mid 00s. He's a goofy gadget user on a glider that annoys street level heroes. He should never have anti Asgard plots.
>>139489553Her actual boss fight is pretty good but everything else about her is awful. Her arc is just Otto's but with no buildup and a half-assed "redemption". The way the writers try to act like any of what she did was even remotely defensible drives me up The fucking Wall.The scene at the end of the first game where Otto tries to blackmail Peter is great because it shows more clearly than anything that even if his hate was somewhat justified, he is deep down to his core an awful person, and that Peter's ideal of him was always pretty far from the man himself. Phin also almost kills everyone in Manhattan over her arrogance, but she gets a dumb "oh but she was good on the inside" speech.
>>139485261I thought that little thing he stood on flew like a goblin glider
>>139489553Phin sucks so fucking much it's unreal
>>139488980start the movie with a montage of spider-man kicking various villain asses
>>139474865Yeah mysterio is pretty cool. Personally I like the green goblin and hobgoblin. But for some reason Jack o lantern's design.>>139487201Why does mysterio look like that h3 motherfucker? Cool jacket and scarf.
>>139489800Nope it’s one of those little hopping ball things
>>139489553>>139489633>>139489799>>139489834Conceptually I think she's fine, a modern "in the action" take on The Tinkerer. The programable matter is versatile, she bribes a gang with tech which makes sense, it's just her characterization that falls apart. She's a HUGE fucking hypocrite and a stubborn bitch that tries to guilt trip Miles on lying to her, when in reality she lied too and her actions are deplorable. Though I suppose the silver lining here is comic Miles essentially getting a similar villain after the fact, Rabble. She does the tech thing too, only her motivation is hating Miles for winning a schloarship to a private school instead of her
>>139485077I always took him to be another knockoff Goblin, when Marvel was shopping around for those back in the late 70s-early 80s. Hobgoblin and Jackal were also attempts to make another goblin guy.
>>139489933>hating Miles for winning a scholarship to a private school instead of herI love how petty Spider-Man villains can be
>>139489933as much shit as Miles rightfully gets, at least recently they've made the effort to actually give him original villains now
>>139489976The theme in her costume and gear is scavenging tech like its some cyberpunk future scrap yard, angry that her skins went unnoticed and that she didn't get the same opportunities other kids did in life to succeed. Which works as a petty villain kind of thing like you see with Tombs or Shocker, where smart people can't get out of their own fucking way to make a living.>>139489995There's also Frost Pharaoh, Hightail, Ultimatum, and briefly Starling (Adrian's granddaughter, former vigilante turned good and Miles's current girlfriend)
>>139490061Kind of hope starling appears in the next game, I've enjoy a lot about her, and okay I thought her flying with her grandfather was cute.
>>139490061aye I've not really read many of his comics, mainly cause written by Bendis and I really fucking hate how he treats characters often, but I did read the stuff with Scorpion which actually treated him fairly well and gave him a fun dynamic with Diet Spidey
>>139489933>it's just her characterization that falls apart. She's a HUGE fucking hypocrite and a stubborn bitch that tries to guilt trip Miles on lying to her, when in reality she lied too and her actions are deplorable.And don't forget the godawful, stupid third act break they do where Phin gets mad at Miles for something, goes full villain, nearly blows up the city and dies for her actions, and it all would have been easily avoided HAD SHE JUST LET HIM TALK TO HER FOR A MINUTE AND TELL HER THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HER PLANIt's so fucking retarded
>>139490098Wouldn't mind that>>139490114Don't believe Bendis wrote that run, too recent
I've always had a large soft spot for Scorpia as a character, maybe her design just hits right and her being an unhinged gal but not in an annoying way like Harley quinn just works, could be also just lot of fun seeing her bounce of Shocker or her gal pals at the syndicate, wonder what they'll do with her next?
>>139490190oh no he didn't, I just mean his general work and long time running with Miles, even did the story that shat on Hobgoblin when he joined a Sinister Six, even made the dumb writers mistake of having it look like Spot's powers are a costume and not his skin. But yeah that recent run is by Ahmed which also has Scorpion working with the sexy asian cop who's a bit of a bastard
>>139490061>Frost Pharaoh Sounds like a DC villain more than a Marvel one
Call me a retard for ask this but, is Mysterio Spider-Man's Scarecrow?
>>139490061Nice booty on that one
>>139490242sorta, he's a lot more versatile and flexible in stories then Scarecrow but they have the same general role as a psychological or illusion based foe the hero has to use his wits and will to conquer, though Scarecrow never kicked Spider-man in the dick
>>139490242I mean kinda. They’re both known for psychologically screwing with their hero but Scarecrow is more focused on fear and Mysterio is more about misdirection and or fucking with people
>>139490236He's some dude who found a magic ice staff that lets him cast cryomancy spells such as ice blasts or summoning giant ice mummies >>139490242Scarecrow wishes he was Mysterio. Beck doesn't need drugs to convince people. It's sort of like comparing a pharmacist to a conman
>>139490242theyre both also very stylish & theatrical
>>139489657>his look was a definite improvement over Norman.It was. Don’t know why people even like the standard Goblin design. Looks ridiculous in everything. It’s why every modern adaptation changes it. It can’t work as-is in anything.
Does anyone remember that idea one anon had of six villains getting one of the Infinity Gems? He called it the Infinity Six iirc, anyways here’s my line up>Mind Gem - Doctor Octopus>Reality Gem - Mysterio>Power Gem - Electro>Space Gem - Vulture>Time Gem - Speed Demon>Soul Gem - Kraven
>>139485244>pogo-platformThat’s dumb as hell, what the fuck?
>>139490451I'd have Vulture take the Soul gem instead so maybe you could have him do his youth stealing again or maybe the Time Gem to make him young again, Spot having the space gem would also be fun as it could either make his spot powers go out of control or maybe even bring parts of the spot dimension into the main universe. Other choices though are perfect, especially Mysterio having the reality gem as would remind me of when he had actual magic in shattered dimension
>>139490428every og comic design, with very few exceptions (like Spidey) look silly as shit if you adapt them straight. Hobby would look silly adapted as is. The mockups of fat Asian Ned in his outfit show as much. Saying Gobby can't be adapted is pure cope. There are various alt designs made - that still hit the main beats of the original - that can work very well in live action. The excuse of "well, the face wouldn't work" has been disproven time and time again and are often the result of people being too anal about letting a live action version tell you facepaint or CGI is actually just a regular mask.
>>139490577The way I was thinking was more like Vulture gets the Space Gem and starts manipulating gravity. Speed Demon gets the Time Gem to put his powers into overdrive. So it’s like they’re using them to enhance their gimmicks or relate to them somehow. In Mysterio’s case I always liked when they leaned into him being a movie buff so he uses his gem to turn New York into a mishmash of old monster movies/b movies. And Kraven uses the Soul Gem to sense Peter’s soul and now he has an army of ghostly animals that he hunts with
>>139490711ahhh right on those do sound pretty sound, Mysterio essentially trying to live out his film fantasy's in realty sounds like it'd work great also to explore his character more as well as provide some superb action setpieces and fun creature designs. It's very easy to forget that Vulture's gear works a lot through gravity manipulation, with the space gem he could probably make an even larger more specced out version of his traditional bird suit, make stealing stuff easier to
>>139490858Yeah Mysterio’s is probably the strongest idea since it’s my favorite. A little deeper into it is that he’s also turned other villains into monsters or villains from those movies, Gibbon and Lizard are now King Kong and Godzilla style monsters and John Jameson is back in his Man Wolf form. Peter would have to sort of act out these movies, or at least play by their tropes to beat Beck. I don’t think they’d actually come to blows though, Mysterio would probably respect that Peter, again, played by the rules of the movies and goes “Yeah this was just me living out my love of movies.” And then says something about his backstory, reverses everything, and lets Peter takes the gem
>>139490858>>139491074For Vulture I was thinking more that he uses it to just make obstacles in the sky and maybe some mini tornadoes. But I’m really digging your idea of him building a suped up version of his flying harness, like in Homecoming where he had get a special rig made for the plane heist
>>139491074I love that idea of Mysterio just being all "good show, jolly good show" and relinquishing the gem just cause that was the most fun he's had in his villainous career in years, also like the idea of him turning established characters to fit his fave movies, especially Lizard being tuned into a kaiju, with that idea there could be a ton of fun variation with other spidey's rogues perhaps based on other film genre's could be fun
>>139491185exactly, was thinking something like the 5th colossus in SOTC in size or general wing span since that's large but not to ridiculously so
>>139491185>had get a special rig madeI’m way too excited I keep making minor spelling mistakes
Extended footage of Lizard boss fight if anyone cares. Would this design be perfect if he still had the lab coat? Is pants on Lizard just as important?https://youtu.be/LF1FgUsZz-Q
>>139491419>is pants on Lizard just as important?Now you’re asking the important questions. But honestly no I don’t think the lab coat would work for this version, he’s too monstrous. Which I understand, a giant monster makes for a much more visually interesting boss fight
>>139491419Video's gone.I stand by that the best thing they could do is have him get caught in a big white tarp or canvas or have one get stuck to his spines when he's in the warehouse or something. It suggests the lab coat while still making sense for a beast of his size. You need the white to break up all that green, I can take or leave the pants though.
>>139491262Yeah there was an issue where Peter goes to see a movie and accidentally sits next to Beck and after they geek out about the movie and then kinda awkwardly leave. So I’d like to do something similar where Peter is like “Yeah it was stressful having to fight Connors with him being that big but man was it a lot of fun. Next time you’re in prison I’ll make sure you get a DVD player!”
>>139491462I mean more tattered, the spines poking through holes.>>139491519Huh, let me try this onehttps://youtu.be/rEmhgFYQRD0
>>139474865>The Web Head has the greatest collection of rogues everJoker rip off, Lex Luthor rip off, Catwoman rip off, Generic mad scientist with robot arms, and one hundred petty criminalswow great rogue gallery you got there
>>139491559Eh still he’s too big it would like there’s a bedsheet on him. The appeal of the tattered clothes is that he’s still human proportioned, it’s like when a werewolf has the remnants of their clothes on them post transformation
>>139487671>>139488902>fantastic fourCome on, I'm not even an FF4 fan and I know they got some great classic villains.>Galactus>Annihilus>Rama-Tut/Kang>Skrulls/Kree>Namor>mutherfucking Mole-Man!It's just that FF4 themselves are kinda boring / poorly written.
>>139491597Well it's easy to be reductive, I could just say all of Batman's villains are mentally ill weirdos who get overshadowed by a clown or all your mum's rogues gallery is just different people she's slept with
>>139491542I was tempted to mention he coulda had Peter's love interest or hero allies fill out different film archetypes to
>>139491641Trapster was another fun villain they had, funny enough some of Spidey's foes also did double time as Fantastic Four foes
>>139491687Fuck it dude let’s go for it lemme hear what you’ve got
>>139491743Unless I'm misremembering, wasn't Beetle also originally a F4 bad guy?
>>139491769Yup, fittingly Janice Beetle also started as a Captain America foe
>>139491743>>139491769Both Trapster and Beetle started off as the Human Torch's villains, back when he had a solo series in Strange Tales. Then Trapster upgraded to an FF villain as part of the Frightful Four, and Beetle served as a solid B/C-list villain for any hero to come up against
>>139491419He's literally too big for a lab coat
>>139491660It's not really reductive his villains are really simple and quite inconsistent characters, just like you making several excuses for sucking all those dicks when you just love the taste of cum.
>>139491761Well maybe Prowler could be a pastiche of old noir hero's like the Shadow or the Phantom, Black Cat I'm not to sure on but would be included, Luke Cage obviously would be a Black Dynamite sequel blaxpoitation type like in his comics begginings and Cardiac would be turned into one of those day time drama doctors
>>139491419He looks like a generic giant reptile without the lab coat.
>>139491859The same could be said of a lot of comic characters due to the long going nature of the genre, there's always gonna be inconsistent and simplified iterations of the character, also funny how gay thoughts immediately spring to you, sorry but despite how much you want it to be, I couldn't even be a fraction as gay as you are, but keep thinking of dudes sucking dick and slurping cum if you want to, is modern day so you are allowed to now
How do we feel about Spider-Man: Octopus Girl?
>>139491942I always loved the Superior Octopus outfit, was a nice compromise on both sides of Otto while looking cool as hell
>>139490599Spidey 2002 went the armor route for the Goblin. Even tried to go comic accurate a bit with this one.
>>139490483pogo platform is kino
>>139484111Wow! That's really good! Though do kinda agree with >>139484725. Can kinda see why you'd want to change it up since it'd be three of her faces stacked on top of each other. Since she seems to be flirting maybe replace it with a close-up on her eyes/lips? Dunno. Am I backseat arting? I think I am.Regardless, good stuff. Keep it up!
>>139491641>It's just that FF4 themselves are kinda boringI disagree, except for maybe mr fantastic
>>139491865Very nice. Iron Fist and Daredevil could work as references to Bruce Lee style Kung fu movie characters
Is there a mosquito themed villain yet in Marvel or DC?
>>139492143Oh shit you are right to, plus maybe could have Dr Demonicus appear since giant monsters were his whole deal
>>139492148No, but I’m sending the idea to them now fucker
>>139492228Well if you and your Marvel connection want to workshop the idea, I'm down. I'm even fine if they're a Miles foe
>>139492148Not that I recall, they should also try a slug or mollusk themed villain to, could make get a lady to so Spiderman could have more original female rogues
>>139492255>mollusk themed villainWell, technically, wouldn't Doc Ock and Squid count?
Doctor Octopus > Venom > Carnage >>>>>>>> Green Goblin
>>139492321True actually, well never such a thing as to many mollusk bad guys
>>139485261There's something awesome when Spidey's foes realize that Peter can fuck them up something fierce.
>>139492337Go away, Dan.
>>139482088The first thing he wanted to acquire with his sand powers was a high school diploma.
>>139492337This but swap Carnage and Gobby and add a few more >sBoth are wanked way too hard but at least Norman has historical significance and thematic ties to back it up, Carnage is just "what if Venom was made of BLOOD and cranked up the edge to an X-TREME amount and just wanted to KILL"He was already boring before all this current shit with him being an invincible multiversal cosmic threat split into multiple peopleLike god damn you couldn't pay me to give a shit about Carnage or his endless events
>>139491419Everything about those new video games looks so soulless and generic.
>>139492447>old good new bad
>>139492446>Like god damn you couldn't pay me to give a shit about CarnageReally? These 4 pennies and 2 nickles say you will. They can be yours if you just jump on the bandwagon....
>>139492182>Dr DemonicusI have no idea who that is but now I’ve gotta look him up. Also, Blade as Van Helsing hunting Morbius as Dracula
>>139492631He was a villain who first appeared in Marvel's Godzilla comic that was written by a Moon Knight writer, since then he only appeared to fill shots in Hood's gang or the Bar with No Name sadly, shame as his gimmick of creating kaiju should make him a higher level threat
>>139492404>All I want is an education>AND I’LL TAKE IT BY FORCE
I know it's been eclipsed by later iterations/Janice in popularity but I really like the original Beetle suit, and I think you could make it creepy looking even in a modern context with the right artist. It's like it's got some kind of a Mothman thing going on. Like you wouldn't want it watching you from an alley or surprising you around a corner.
>>139492391Stern really liked doing it in his run. IIRC, he was kind of annoyed at Spider-Man struggling in or outright losing fights so frequently during the 70s, so he made sure to have quite a few issues where Peter would easily BTFO the villain once he got his hands on them. I wonder what he thinks of the losing streak Peter's had in the current Wells run.Tarantula is a good example. From his introduction, he was written as an opponent who could easily keep Spider-Man on his toes and kept coming up against him a fair bit, even though he's just a regular acrobatic guy with pointy feet. Then Stern brings him back for an issue just so he could have Spider-Man take him out in a few pages.
>>139492446Carnage has issues (though Carnage-man is the greatest hero in all of Marvel), but at least he's still head-and-shoulders above Knull.I know Carnage's last 5 or so years have been complete nonsense (because of Knull), but that's largely on Knull idiocy more than Carnage.Really, Knull is such a needless anchor tied around the symbiote's necks. Exactly on the same level as the Klyntar retardation by Bendis. The 90s cartoon gave the symbiotes a better backstory in a few lines while comics have had multiple issues and just made it worse and worse.
>>139476919Any design that is scared of the mask is inferior
>>139492447shut up faggot
>>139492904That would be creepy seeing that bug eyed freak with his long ass fingers fly really fast at you
>>139492933You won't hear any defense of Knull from me, fucking thing's a waste of ink and maybe the worst thing to ever happen to the symbiotes. And yeah, even as a certified Carnage avoider I think Knull's worse. That being said, I think the issue lies even deeper with Marvel knowing that symbiotes are popular but not really understanding why, so they keep trying to bolt more retarded lore onto them. Stuff like Knull is one of the only real problems I have with Marvel never rebooting, because once that shit's written there's basically no going back. I guess at some point they could do something that destroys the whole "King in Black" concept? But even then that's still a lot of damage done.
>>139476217Sorry, he's been demoted to Miles' Rogues Gallery!
>>139492978He can create the mask from the energy coming from his eyes
Which villain is the worst?
>>139493359From the higher end? Sandman
>>139488408I think Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 issue 65 should make the list too. Really underrated Kraven story by Mantlo
>>139493232I consider Tarantula on a similar level to Hammerhead where since he's mostly just a normal dude with a very specific enhanced body part for his gimmick, it's kind of weird that we're ever supposed to see him as being on a similar level to Spider-Man. You'd think he'd be matched to a more street level hero by now.Like, remember when Hammerhead was set up to be rivals with Doc Ock for some reason? It's not like we didn't get some entertaining issues out of it, but those two are NOT on the same level. Is it because they're both vaguely themed after aquatic animals?>>139493359Worst in what way? How much we hate them, how weak they are, or how poorly written/underutilized they are?
>>139488408>recommending Grim Hunt
>>139487671What is it with Spideyfags and their constant disdain for the Rogues?
>>139493630I like both
>>139493408Tarantula always seemed like he should have been a Daredevil villain
>>139493630The flash and his villains are shit simple as
>>139493630What do you mean, I think they're both great, love to see Shocker become friends with Captain Cold
>>139493359Morlun fucking sucks, Regent is also a pretty crap villain, the worst villains are the one with no personality or fun but are a big number so you can't see them eat shit either
>>139493077I don't know why Marvel hated the alien goop origin. Even in 1610 Bendis made it as a cancer cure gone wrong instead of an alien. I wasn't a fan of that either.And with the Klyntar thing, maybe Bendis just really hates symbiotes. I can't imagine he thought Klyntar was a good idea (but I can imagine that he wanted royalties from symbiotes somehow, so he tried to saddle them with a dumb name)
>>139493630That guy's an outlier, I might not be as into DC as I am into Marvel but that's partly just because my friends were big into Spider-Man as a kid, I think the Rogues are cool and I've always thought Mirror Master in particular had a pretty neat gimmick.
STOP HAVING HIM BEING TREATED AS A FUCKING JOKE!!!Being more serious, I think emphasizing his PI background would work pretty well. Mac is good at collecting info, digging up dirt, and finding blackmail on people, it'd be at least a different and better characterization than what he's gotten for a while.
>>139493921Forgot pic related.
>>139493792Shocker and Sandman would make excellent Rogues.
>>139493921>>139493940How did you feel about Insomniac Scorps?
>>139493921>forgot the imageyep, it's a scorpion fanjokes aside though I would also like to see them lean into his PI side, Marvel has no idea what to do with him besides "mean and crazy", and a psycho stalker who can bench three tons would be great at terrorizing the little people who can't fight back, while still making him a good fight for the one main guy who doesif they also emphasize how dangerous he is in a straight fight you can give that double whammy of Spidey having to figure out the game of an elusive and cautious foe, but even when he does he has to deal with one of his most physically dangerous enemies
>>139493359Any totem-related ones like Morlun, Shathra, Ms. Arrow, Gatekeeper, Spider-Queen, etc.Senator WardBlack TarantulaFacadeFusionJudas Traveller and Scrier
>>139494045Mac also brings in that sleaze that no other Spidey villain can quite bring too.
I like Puma
Are there any good OC villains from the cartoons and that.
>>139494333Didn't this guy become a hero later in the show? They should bring him back as a rogue AI
>>139476919Why make his powers come from tech? Just make it actual powers. Spider-Man has actual powers, why can't his villains?
I want to circle back to workshopping a mosquito villain. Sounds fun. Male or female? Powers or just a tech suit? Goal and themes?
>>139494372Should be female since we need more babe villains, perhaps her goals could relate to collecting blood samples of powered beings for reasons known to her
>>139494333the 2017 series must have at least one surely... >copium.pngnice trips btw
>>139485037>Venom works best as an evil monster with nothing but disdain for both Peter and Spider-ManYou'll get that with Ultimate Venom, a man-made science experiment.
>>139494365......He's still a living battery, knob. The suit allowed him syphon more energy from electronics. He wanted to become pure energy, and this was the closest Otto could get
>>139494401We do have a good number. Then again, most are just female variants of male bad guys. We should keep Morbius in mind since we dont want to be redundant
>>139494513Why involve tech in any way? Same with the other guys. Just give these guys actual powers.
>>139494525You can get away with Scorpia if Gargan's Venom. Female Beetle can work as the standard one in any adaptation. Female Electro and Doc Ock are trash though, just stick with the originals.
>>139494562Anon do you know anything about Spider-Man at all? Comic Scorpion and Rhino, both who have genetic enhancements, ALSO have tech suits to compliment those traits. Vulture has always been a guy in a suit too. All Electro's vest was was a way for Otto to bribe him to go along with the plan, to enhance the abilities he already had
>>139494469The only ones I remember who aren't just heavily revamped versions of existing characters are the Wake Riders, Nocturnal, and I guess Sandman's daughter. There was Anya's sister as Tarantula, but that turned out to just be Chameleon.
>>139494599We don't need to make Gargan Venom. They're all fine, I'm just saying we need to keep Morbius in mind given the vampiric blood themes already if we're trying to create something new
>>139494562he does have powers dummy, he can shoot lighting, fly, all that Electro stuff without the tech, Ock only built enhancers for the Sinister 6 members
>>139494629Having multiple characters running around with the same name is stupid.
>>139494640>Ock only built enhancersLame. Fuck off with this tech shit. That shit's for geeks. Give these guys actual powers. Make them true freaks.
>>139494612Rhino works better as a half-man half-Rhino guy.>Vulture has always been a guy in a suit tooAnd that's why he's lame. Spider-Man has actual powers and can fuck Vulture up easy.
>>139494525Ok but Morbius fucking sucks so don't worry about him, plus I'd say figuring the motives and visual design can help prevent overlap since Spider-Man has several elementaos that manage to be distinct from each other
>>139494599I actually have grown to like Female Electro, always liked Scorpia and Janice Beetle both as characters and cause find them ultra sexy. Agree on Lady ock though, never really found her fun or interesting, better of replacing her with Stunner
>>139494333That design is actually sick
>>139493630How do you all think Fred and Digger would feel about each other?
>>139494667You're getting off topic
>>139494781Have the (You), you fucker. Not every Spider-Man thread needs to feed your vacant life
>>139494612Rhino's suit doesn't have much tech to it though, it's just really thick armour. Insomniac Rhino is towing the line of too much tech
>>139485345>No real powers>causes mass panic with nothing but a simple boomstick>also purple and greenis he the best villain?
>>139495172Stan has enhanced strength because of some SHIELD trials
>>139495140Comic Rhino's armor is next gen body armor, which is all the game is. There's no mechanism at all. He's fine.
>>139495052Fred would try to boss Digger around and fail, they wouldn't get along. Pete would get a kick out of Digger though.
>>139495266It's about the look. Insomniac Rhino looks "techy" compared to the actual Rhino, and when almost every single villain looks techy, it gets stale.You can use whatever plot bullshit you want to justify why he looks that way but that doesn't stop it from looking stale when they all have this tacticool tech look to them
>>139488941>>139488902Doom is a boring garbage villain.Just fuck off already, Doomtards. I hate you with a passion.
>>139495571You're legitimately autistic. I'm fine with the military weapon looking like a fucking military weapon. All that matters is that Rhino is just a gamma eradiated big guy in a suit that has a rhinoceros theme/horn, and that's what we got. You're mad that he looks exactly what his premise is
I've been thinking about Electro today. Since apparently nobody likes adapting Electro's actual mask, how would you guys feel about an Electro that has electricity coming our of his eyes in a similar shape to his mask, but as he powers up more and more the electricity takes a shape more similar to his classic mask but made from wild bolts of electricity?Here's a hastily thrown together MS Paint image to demonstrate.So the main "side" bolts of his mask would be coming out of his eyes, and the arcs of electricity between the top sides would come together to form the top of the starfish. When I say wild bolts of electricity I'm thinking something similar to how Spectacular's Electro looked, but not his actual entire head. Basically looking like massive amounts of power are constantly being discharged out of his eyes. Good idea? Bad idea?
>>139495675I don't know who you think I am but this is my third post in this thread. I care about Rhino looking like Rhino instead of being shit up with some tacticool bullshit because these designers just can't help themselves. They literally can't stop themselves from cluttering up a good, simple design. They did it with most of the unlockable suits too. I mean seriously look at all of those needless lines, totally defeats the point of the original
>>139495654Doom does not think about you at all
>>139495735>doomfags being cringe as usual
>>139474865Your thoughts on Will o' the Wisp?
>>139495726>I don't know who you think I am but this is my third post in this thread.Where did I state or even imply samefagging or create an accusation of you being a regular? >Scarlet Spider material whining Oh wait I think I remember you from threads ages ago. Yeah, the autism remark checks out. If you're even aware of your outbursts and autism without accusation, then yes, this is a fault on your part. You keep screeching a meaningless buzzword like "tacticool" like it means anything. There's nothing wrong with a design looking like it was fabricated under this context. That's not a flaw, that's your own bias foaming at the mouth and a compulsion to yell about it in multiple threads apparently. You call it samey, but can't I say the exact same thing if everything looks like cheap Halloween store spandex?
>>139488902>the roguesAh yes.>the villains but not really villains who are all also lame-ass crooks with boring gimmicksHardly a step-up even from the generic "hero but evil" with a completely fucktarded motivation Flashfags parade as their best villain.
>>139495775Not even a bad guy. Why is he treated like a supervillain?
>>139495778I could only assume you thought I was someone else considering the way you chimped out at my assessment of Insomniac Rhino's design. If that's not the case then you might have issues with constructive discussion>Oh wait I think I remember you from threads ages ago.I don't know which threads you're talking about because this is the first time I've ever brought it up. I do know it's not a sentiment unique to me either.It's also present in almost every suit in the game, I just picked Scarlet Spider as en example. The Symbiote Suit is another excellent one though, its key is its simplicity and they've shit it up by adding a bunch of useless details.>You keep screeching a meaningless buzzword like "tacticool" like it means anything.I didn't invent the term tacticool, and it does in fact have a meaning>There's nothing wrong with a design looking like it was fabricated under this contextOther than it looking boring and homogeneous, no>You call it samey, but can't I say the exact same thing if everything looks like cheap Halloween store spandex?If a costume is adapted properly, it doesn't look like "cheap Halloween store spandex", and if you think the original Electro and Rhino look even remotely similar you need to get your eyes checked.As a side note it really just sounds like you don't like comic designs tldr: you're autistic, possibly schizophrenic, and definitely just don't like Spider-Man or comics in general
I think the live action Electro is the best designs I've seen of the character.
>>139495681No Way Home did something like that.
>>139495866>I could only assume you thought I was someone elseNo, that's just your brain telling you you're an asshole. You opened the door.>I don't know which threads you're talking about because this is the first time I've ever brought it upThat's a lie, but keep trying to backpedal. >I didn't invent the term tacticool, and it does in fact have a meaningIt really doesn't. Closest thing I can figure is "Thing doesn't look like flat colors and cheap, so it must be crap".>Other than looking boringYour opinion, not fact.>If a costume is adapted properlyAnd what is that exactly? I can still tell they're those characters by looking at them. You're just mad that their costumes fit the context they were originally created behind.>tldr: you're autistic, possibly schizophrenic, and definitely just don't like Spider-Man or comics in generalWant to fit any more buzzwords in there? I've clearly touched a nerve here, and on some level you know I'm right. I love Spider-Man, and clearly you are just a dime a dozen whining know-it-all who is in love with an idea in his head than what the material has to offer
>>139495978>"Thing doesn't look like flat colors and cheap, so it must be crap".No it means "this thing tries to evoke military feelings by adding needless crap">And what is that exactly?Pic related is a costume intentionally not being adapted properly for the purpose of saying comic costumes are stupid.>I can still tell they're those characters by looking at themBeing able to tell who they are is the bare minimum of an adaption. Actually looking like the source is the sign of a good one>You're just mad that their costumes fit the context they were originally created behind.You're literally schizing out because you have a headcanon of what these characters are "supposed" to look like because of their origin stories.>I love Spider-ManHow many issues have you read? Surely you've at least read ASM 1 - 300, right?
Spidey ain't Iron Man. His villains should be super-powered freaks like him.
>>139495675If the Lizard can be a mutant lizard man, then why can't Rhino be a mutant rhino man? Why does he gotta be a guy in a suit?
>>139496121This is the reason the TASM game went with making the animal-themed villains into mutant hybrids. The makers assumed the series was going for gene-splicing instead of technology. Bio-Horror. Then TASM2 came out and throw all that shit out.
>>139496065desu i liked her halloween costume more than any of her other scarlet witch outfits
>>139483841I think Beck should always have some go-to giant robot animatronics like those examples. Maybe some real life optical illusions could be incorporated and look like Steranko Optical art and stuff he did. Beck could use some demons, aliens, dragons, gorillas, like others have said. Basically any movie monster stuff. Drones are a good idea but they shouldn't all be eyes, maybe have some like those goblins from Spectacular, bats, crows, etc. Robot doppelgangers are also a mainstay. Good trope that Dr. Doom shouldn't have a monopoly on. >>139485037Yeah I have to agree that even though Eddie's progression is good it just doesn't compare to the uneasy alliance they had. Seemed like him being an out of control anti-hero was the best bet. Only not killing Spider-Man when lives were at stake. Venom could have worked as a behind the scenes force that sabotaged both his identities to make Peter weak enough for a final battle. A slow-acting...Venom. i dunno Venom is hard because there is a balance there that is hard to pin down.>>139485077Didn't Steve Ditko get mad that they used him for Spider-Man? Did he ever speak about him? I liked Remender made him more scary and work wirh Crime Master. Both anonymous villains who only sought business. Maybe Macendale should return as him.>>139490206Scorpia and Shocker kind of remind me of Adriana and Chris from The Sopranos. Except Shocker isn't abusing Scorpia.
>>139496181aye I feel like Shocker and Scorpia should have Elaine be a bit bickering and sometimes mocking Herman while wanting him to let loose more and with him chastising her for being murderous/violent and often unprofessional but deep down they both work well with and care for each other a lot
>>139487873I don't expect and don't think they should be reusing the same antagonist in the lead role twice. That won't be exactly the same as, say, bringing back Shocker as he's always on the side.Since they're already leaned into Ultimate version of Gargan for Homecoming, him becoming the classic one through symbiote as opposed to mechanical suit seems more likely.>>139487962>i just want one of them to do sinister sixWell, wait for Sony to eventually get there. It will be a mess, but they'll somehow arrive to that point.>>139488957Personally, I'm still settling for Sin-Eater and Gargan. It might be too crowded and such, but I'm trying to think about this stuff more from the "most realistic" perspective as opposed to "what would be the best" one.Besides, I also expect more of an "original symbiote" rendition where it simply wants to help Peter and only then Mac completely drives it crazy after they bond.>>139496121>why can't Rhino be a mutant rhino man?You should watch the Kraven film trailer, anon.
>>139494525Why doesn't Spider-Man simply just fuck his female villains in order to defeat them with his radioactive Spider-Jizz?
>>139496181>Didn't Steve Ditko get mad that they used him for Spider-Man? Did he ever speak about him?I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was pissed off about it. Jack O'Lantern's appearance in that Spectacular issue I posted directly leads on from his introduction in the last issue of Machine Man. It does seem a little bit shifty to instantly swipe that new Ditko villain to use in Spider-Man when Ditko was adamant about never doing any more work on either Spider-Man or Dr Strange
>>139497156He tired with Black Cat; more trouble than it's worth.
>>139497156he should fuck Beetle, would be sexy and maybe a fun dynamic of him being with someone more awful then Felicia morally but worse success wise
>>139497327>wanting Peter to have both Iron Man and Ant-Man's sloppy seconds (thirds?)
>>139497624I was about to make a "So Scott is a virgin" joke, but quickly realized that it must be overused.
>>139497624Peter himself isn't exactly a bastion of impurity, he's probably slept/dated with more named characters then all 3 characters combined
>>139494562Nigger electro has had tech to help him use his powers since the very beginning I want casuals to leave /co/
>>139495681I like it, looks cool. Though personally my preferred route based on the unused NWH ideas is to have Electro get into a fight with America Chavez and end up absorbing a star portal, causing a yellow version to appear on his face when he uses his powers, and justifying how he can teleport, with teleporting being him using his electric powers to find the location and then letting the star portal move him there
>>139498298I read the page, what tech is helping him use his powers?He's using tech to increase his power, but not to use it.
>>139494333oooooh that one I remember it
>>139474865What made Mysterio so great was how he always had a mental angle. He never tried to fought Spider-Man head on, he would find ways to fuck with his perception.>Pretends to be a superhero and frames Spider-Man to be a criminal so everyone hates him even more>Makes Spidey think he’s insane then makes an elaborate ruse pretending to be a psychiatrist so Spidey would mentally crack>Made another elaborate trick where Spidey thought he shrunk and again tried to mentally crack himIf anything writers forgot that his MO wasn’t just “illusions”, it was trying to break Spidey’s brain.
>>139476733I just saw the Hammerhead post and was about to say the exact same thing. Something I really loved about the Spectacular show was how it emphasized the criminal underworld element. People often forget how massive of a role the mob and crime families played in the Ditko and Romita Lee runs. Conway was where it deviated, but mobsters were a backbone of Pete’s adventures.>Big Man and the Enforcers>the Green Goblin trying to take over the criminal underworld>Crime Master>Kingpin>Silvermane>The whole story arc about the ancient tablet
>>139480161Sandman’s one of the few villains who had a completed story. He was a criminal, made mistakes, became a villain, realized it wasn’t what he wanted. That’s honestly why he’s one of my favorites, he was extremely organic. They should’ve just retired him, or made him a positive supporting character like Molten Man and Puma.Hydro Man was a good replacement for a super powerful elemental type rogue. Way more greedy, barely any conscience, OP power set that requires Peter to think outside the box.
>>139499492Personally I couldn’t agree more. I remember I once had an idea for a Spidey universe/adaptation where Kingpin and Spectacular Tombstone coexist, with Lincoln having originally been part of Fisk’s operation. The difference between the two and Silvermane is the idea spectacular proposed of family vs business. Tombstone and Goblin believe in business, the Six and the Maggia believe in family, and the Kingpin believes that success is only possible through a balance of the two
>>139481408If they use Hobgoblin, I would never want them to show his true identity.I think that was the biggest mistake with Hobby. I don’t think we ever should’ve learned who he was. That would’ve been such a huge deviation from Norman: Similar set up, but different approach and result.
>>139499568In a hypothetical “What would you do if you made a Spider-Man movie” scenario, I would make it about a gang war.>Spider-Man’s been operating for a few years.>Indirectly Peter’s actions have created a power vacuum in NYC’s underworld, leading to different factions trying to control the city.>It’s pretty much guaranteed that whoever kills Spider-Man would get a leg up on everyone else.>The main factions are The Rose/Tombstone (his enforcer), Silvermane/Marko, and Hammerhead/Shocker>In the midst of it all, a focus is on Tombstone trying to blackmail Robbie for information on Spider-Man. Robbie has a hunch Spidey is Peter but won’t give it up, but is conflicted about his gang past being revealed.>By the end of the movie Hammerhead is taken down, the other two are crippled, and Kingpin moves in.
>>139495810pearls before swine
>>139498298>Gets his powers from being struck by lightningDid they ever retcon in an explanation for how the fuck this happened? Plenty of people survive getting struck by lightning in the real world and they don’t get super powers, just a badass scar.
Let's discuss a rarely-talked villain for once.What can be done with Puma? My first introduction to him was through a shitty Spider-Man 2 PC game. When I got into comics he did grew on me and I think he deserves more recognition, but he does feel like a discount Kraven and I think that's what holding him back.
>>139496065>No it means "this thing tries to evoke military feelings by adding needless crap"Rhino's suit is supposed to be a military weapon, anon. Why is it bad that it looks like one?>pic relatedWhat's wrong with her MoM suit? It invokes the same imagery, and of course you'll whine because LINES>You're literally schizing out because you have a headcanon of what these characters are "supposed" to look like because of their origin stories......You're not very bright, are you? I'm at fault because I can accept different interpretations of a suit, and can appreciate a style that is trying to capture what the context of the suit's creation is supposed to be? How is that a negative?>How many issue have you readProbably more than you given your closed minded attitude. Put away your ruler, autist
>>139498826That's what they did in the game too>>139499869They've never fully explored or explained why Electro is the way he is. There was that one time where Magneto met Max, stating that he wasn't a mutant but had some kind of abnormality in his DNA that was unlocked after the accident. Magneto then left calling him a fucking loser
>>139499569No the problem was peoples egos and personal disputes ruining Hobgoblin’s identity reveal. It was always planned to be revealed but again, it got fucked due to personal disputes
>>139500524Hobgoblin isn’t that great in retrospect
>>139499662Well, as a start I’d want it in my own universe where the primary theme is Peter’s impact and how he inspires people, but I think I’d do it a bit like the game and Spectacular with my own twist. The Maggia tries to retake power which Norman exploits in order to claim territory with his goblin gang. This aggravates both Kingpin and Tombstone causing them to start aggressively expanding which results in the Punisher getting more violent as a response. The inner demons then take advantage of the Punisher’s actions by using the chaos to plant bombs, which is then exploited by Doc Ock who tries to expand the Six into the syndicate via the fear they create, while Norman unveils the thunderbolts as his new team for NY’s protection. Not wanting to get anyone hurt, Spider-Man tries to take the gang leaders on by himself, but it goes poorly as they are too disorganized and so they ramp up the violenceEventually the NY government calls in the Wild Pack who start an all out war with the Syndicate, Goblin Nation, Inner Demons, and combined forces of Kingpin and Tombstone who made up following a betrayal from Hammerhead, which ultimately gets so bad that the federal government deploys a horde of sentinels in the city From then on I’m note sure yet, but I know I want to end the plot with Spider-Man rallying every hero and anti-hero in the entire city into an army after the wild pack fails, and finally taking down Norman and the Sinister Six in a final confrontation. In particular I wanted to have a really cool scene where it looks like Peter is going to take on the entire villain army alone, only for the Fantastic 4 to emerge from behind him, followed by every single street level hero in New York, plus Captain Marvel and Captain America. Essentially giving a theme where everyone that Peter had previously helped through their issues is now coming to join him in the city’s darkest hour
>>139496180idk I liked the first one with the skirt for obvious reasons
>>139501354>Spider-Man rallying every hero and anti-hero in the entire city into an armyThat’s so corny I love it
>>139501743Thank you. Though in my opinion it’s probably only the second most corny thing I’m want to happen. The first is what comes after when all the heroes Spider-Man befriended pool together their money and buy back Aunt May’s house for her after she sold it
>>139494525I some times wish I could draw so I could fan comic my Menagerie idea.
>>139501743Kind of reminds me of Web of Shadows and how by the end over half your team was made of villains.I remember always preferring the black suit in that game not just because it had cooler moves but also because Vulture was the most useful assist character by a mile since he could actually follow you up buildings and had a useful ranged attack.
>>139501920Dude that’s badass. I love when people remember Spider-Man is supposed to be a hopeful character and his best stories are about showing the best in people and Peter himself. Sick “Woe is me my powers are a curse Spider-Man”
>>139495775Interesting character, nice element of moral complexity for a more old school antagonist at a time, even in the 1970s, where characters were still pretty straightforward. That said he's not evil and I'd like to see him as a supporting character in something like a cosmic book or Iron Man where I think he'd work well.
>>139499569>If they use Hobgoblin, I would never want them to show his true identity.As cool as that could be, I don't think it's ever going to happen. At best, there might be the case of "film heavily implies it's Kingsley, but nothing outright says it no matter how obvious it it by the end".On that note, I think the best way of doing MCU Hobgoblin is turning him into amalgamation of Home trilogy's villans.>>139499870Sounds like Sony might actually throw him into SSMU's Kraven. Just a hunch.
>>139488420Hunted is just a Grim Hunt fix-it and KLH redux. May as well just leave off at the original.
>>139502254Thanks. Honestly for years I’ve loved the story of Spider-Man and I’ve loved how hopeful he is in spite of the despair. My sister also likes Spider-Man, but she’s only seen the Holland movies and clips of the other films. I’ve always wanted to get her more into Spider-Man, but she’s a tad resistant to non-movie media, so I decided that since I’m in college for screenwriting and she likes reading my scripts, I’d write a spec script TV adaptation of Spider-Man’s classic stories for her to read. With a few modern elements and characters as well as some of my twists added in to make the experience more fun for her. In particular, one change I’m making is ensuring that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and showcasing Peter Parker’s ability to inspire others in his actions. though my sister is a hardcore Peter/Mary Jane shipper, so I’m not sure how to showcase the full complexity of his love life
>>139489731>I didn't mind Norman for the longest time, but I did not like how they tried to hype him up as one of the biggest villain players in universe in the mid 00s. The whole theme of that and Dark Reign, is how out of his depth Norman was in the big leagues, and was more of a threat for how unstable he was than his own abilities. Dark Reign was actually unique in that way, being a Villain In Charge story that isn't about a Villain Sue.
>>139492337Doc Ock wanking doesn't get called out enough. Where's Norman and Cletus's being reborn as girl manga?
>>139493359It feels like a meme asnwer but honestly by now Mephisto. He really does just keep getting bought back for retcon.
>>139493359Dollar store goblins (Hobgoblin and Green Gobling are the only good ones)
>>139493359Probably Morlun. A lot of anons have good picks that might surpass him in terms of raw awfulness, but Morlun actually shows up semi-frequently and I just wish he'd fuck off.>>139502460All of Spidey's big 3 (4?) get wanked pretty hard but all things considered Ockwank is in decline recently and a comedy spinoff manga isn't really on the same level as the gay Batman/Joker fated nemeses ultimate enemy bullshit with Norman or whatever the unholy cosmic fuck they're doing with Carnage. Venomwank is in a weird place right now because it's worse than it's ever been, but since he's currently in full-on hero territory and in the middle of a confusing and dumb time travel arc I feel like I'm gonna slightly withhold full judgement until things settle into a new status quo.
>>139502408Dude you’re a good brother honestly that’s really sweet of you to do that for your sister. Spider-Man really does bring the best out of people. And good luck to you on your screenwriting career
>>139502994>fated nemeses ultimate enemy bullshit with Norman I must have missed that issue. Source?
>>139503338Come on, you know what I mean. The whole "Goblin's the only enemy that matters" thing, the whole "Gwen's death is constantly haunting Peter every minute of every day" thing, the whole "Norman was secretly acting behind the scenes and is responsible for everything bad that happened after faking his death" thing.It's not like I hate or even dislike the character, mind you. He's a defining aspect of the Spider-Man mythos, a great thematic foil to both Peter and the concept of the book as a whole, and I love to see him in action, but I feel like things could stand to revolve a little less around him.
>>139503146Thanks dude. And who knows maybe one day someone from Disney will see the spec scripts I write with more of an emphasis on mystery over action and decide they’re good enough to make. And I’m emphasizing the mystery elements because my sister likes detective noir more than superhero stuff
>>139502994>but Morlun actually shows up semi-frequentlyit really sucks, if he only appeared during his first fight and be remembered as "that one elf terminator guy who almost destroyed Peter and made May find out about his secret identity" I would have loved him.Also his family sucks ass
>>139502408How’s your Spidey? Describe him.
>>139484111That’s actually good
>>139503803Even if I kinda hate the Spider-Totem lore stuff as a whole, the original Morlun arc was sick as fuck and if that was his only appearance I'm sure people would remember him fondly. He's the kind of villain that only really works once, and adding his big stupid interdimensional vampire family is one of the things I hate the absolute most about Slott's run.
>>139503713Stranger things have happened. And I think innovation is the best thing for superhero products going forward. And btw recommend Spider-Man Noir to your sister she might like it
>>139503830Well, given that this is for my sister, I’m generally modeling him after a combination of her favorite spiders, which are Holland and Garfield’s portrayals, so he’s very much ingrained with a John Hughes feel to him. Overall he’s a nice, dorky and kind of shy kid as Peter Parker who starts out a bit moody before connecting more with others, but still retains a bite to him as he refuses to let himself be bullied again. As Spider-Man I want to portray him as very much his typical jokey self, but with heavy emphasis on how he’s a trickster and how he’s sometimes too much of a smartass for his own good, as well as his inquisitive side as a lot of the story will focus on the mystery of Oscorp. At his core my Peter has a deep and personal sense of duty and a massive guilt complex as to be expected, and he really can’t help himself when it comes to helping others, even his villains in a traditional Spidey way. However, one difference I chose is that it is much more apparent that Peter Parker has a lot of difficulty accepting help with anything due to thinking he must be the one to help everyone else, and because of this he tends to push people away when he thinks they could get hurt or lash out in anger when he thinks they’re trying to invade/control part of his life. This refusal to ask for help is actually the source of a lot of his Parker luck, as his need to solve his own problems tends to create more problems than it solves. Not necessarily because Peter is bad at solving them, but just because he’s one guy who happens to be juggling a lot of different issues.Also I really want to include his friendship with Johnny Storm just cause my sister has no idea that exists I’m definitely not explaining my interpretation perfectly, but please let me know if I’m missing anything or should change him at all. Ultimately I want the script to be about how Peter Parker helps and inspires people to do better while being Spider-Man
>>139504037Thanks for saying that. I’d recommend it to her, but she doesn’t usually read comics. Novels and mystery tv/movies are more her style
>>139504136No I getcha comics are not for everyone. Hopefully she enjoys your scripts though. And maybe if you’re at a film school, or one with a good film program, you could turn it into a short film and put it on Youtube. Like Spider-Man Lotus but good and hopefully no racists involved
>>139504037>Spider-Man NoirNow that you brought it up, I need to vent. I fucking DESPISE how Noir got turned into a joke thanks to Slott's repulsive multiverse shit. Was one of my first Spider-Man AUs. Dark and depressing but in a strangely fun way. Enjoyed the takes on the characters as well.After Slott it's all just "dude black and white filter and flowery noir cliche monologues are funny lmao". Fucking fat cunt.
>>139504223Thanks and I hope so too. I know /co/ won’t love every decision I make with the script, but I really hope I can make something that she enjoys and introduce her to a lot of the classic Spider-Man concepts. Unironically, the only thing she knows about Black Cat is that she’s a rival love interest to MJ. Because of this, she doesn’t like Black Cat
>>139504232Ugh I know. His comics were so cool till they ruined him
>>139503442>Goblin's the only enemy that mattersJust a few issues we had Peter refer to Otto as his greatest enemy.>Gwen's death is constantly haunting Peter every minute of every dayIt isn't. She gets mentioned. It happens. Tragically young deaths, Lost Lenore shit, and nostalgia s really popular with the story writers. If Uncle Ben looked better in a mini skirt he'd be brought up more too.>Norman was secretly acting behind the scenes and is responsible for everything bad that happened after faking his death" Some things. Not all things. > I feel like things could stand to revolve a little less around him.Don't worry. They seem to be replacing him with Mephisto.
>>139504232Spider-verse paired Noir with MJ so it's not all bad.
>>139504232Not blaming the comic but for crossover Noir's main issue is his universe is such a shithole its kinda hard to integrate him into anything.>black cat is a whore>Doc Ock is a nazi cripple>Randy gets lobotomizedFrom a crossover perspective I can see why they went the jokey funny route.
>>139504273Hey who cares what a bunch of anonymous people say if it’s not constructive. You obviously have a lot of love for this character so I have no doubts you’ll pull something off that’s new and pays respect to classic Spidey. Also your sister not liking Black Cat cause she gets in the way of Peter and MJ is pretty funny. I can respect the dedication to the ship, even though I am a Peter and Felicia enjoyer
>>139504113>Overall he’s a nice, dorky and kind of shy kid as Peter ParkerThat’s not Peter. This is Peter. Pete’s got an edge to him. He ain’t soft for shit. He’s the type to regularly pick fights with other heroes. Of course, he quit that shit as he got older but still. He ain’t some dorky loser who plays with Legos at the age of 17. He’s the guy who’d ride his motorcycle with his best girl.
>>139504511Thanks for that, and yeah it is pretty funny. Personally I prefer Peter and MJ but still enjoy Felicia as a character. I blame her lack of movies for my sister’s dislike
>>139504223Didn’t the guy just say nigga? How does that make him racist?
>>139504527I mentioned mine has a bite to him as well, and I agree with you. But I still think there should be a balance to his kindness and his badass nature. Kind of like Ferris Bueller but nicer and less popular
>>139504527That's post Spider-man Peter. He basically cried when Flash dissed him in front of his classmates.
>>139502579It's funny because on one hand I really hate Lily as Menace/Grey Goblin but on the other I love her as Queen Cat. To the point where she's probably my waifu.I like the whole thing with her trying desperately to reject her old life because she feels like she has purpose and meaning as a hero but it's also unhealthy because she's still rejecting part of who she is because you can tell that she thinks if she accepts that she was Lily then obviously she'd just be evil again. It's an interesting take on the whole heel-face fresh start deal. If Thunderbolts hadn't strayed so far from its original meaning I'd say she'd be a really good fit for them where her whole crisis over who she is and was and her desire to be a hero works perfectly with the team's general theme.
>>139504591He quietly sulks but he also internally swears that one day they'll all be sorry and later thinks about how anyone other than Ben and May can go hang.
>>139504692Sound like a massive loser.
>>139482088I love early Fantastic Four but making him part of a villain team in tat book was a mistake.
>>139504546Yeah Peter and MJ will always be the endgame but I like that Peter and Felicia have a good friendship. I love that page where she breaks down cause she can’t remember who he is and he reveals his identity to her again and they hug, pulls on the ol’ heartstrings
>>139502994>Out does Norman as main villain in animated Ultimate series>Superior Spider-man run where he was the main character of the book for a year and 9 months>Said arc is adapted to next Spider-man series>Major player in the Spider-verse comics>Major villain of the PS4 game with a huge amount of character focus>Olivia Octavius is a major villain in ITSV, playing Fisk and set up to return in Beyond>Superior Spider-man title set to start again>Yes the MangaBe it as a villain or anti-hero, he's still depicted as an capable, arrogant badass Otto and is prominent all over the franchise, especially thanks to Slott making it more likely that non-readers and new readers will see him as one of the primary associations of the Spider-man name.Meanwhile Marvel is doubling down hard on removing any sense of antagonism from Norman, not even keeping his arrogance and making him Mephisto's patsy at best.Venom and Carnage will always be the most jacked off, but in comics they at least they've more or less gone off to their own corner.
>>139499870I'm struggling to think of what you can do with Puma these days given what's already out there. You'd almost be better off introducing a second one and starting from scratch, kinda like with Kangaroo
>>139504705Sure but hardly a nice one. Peter being kind of a dick at the start is central to his story.
>>139504992The gimmick is that White Rabbit is kind of loose with the definition. Electro is like electric eel in her mind and she also keeps trying to get Skein to go back to being Gypsy Moth.
>>139504891Indeed. Even without romance I love their friendship as two sides of the same coin. As people who grew to truly understand each other and support one another. Though personally I’m still trying to pin down Felicia’s exact reaction for my version of the story when she learns the full extent of Oscorp’s human experimentation program. Since my version of the spider has a low survivability rate for the venom and Malcolm Donalbain is a researcher for Oscorp in my version, mostly because I don’t think the comics have really fully explored what a sick and twisted man he was
>>139504992Perhaps she becomes an eel girl to further differentiate her from Max.
>>139504992>>139505041>>139505116You guys are missing the important fact that Francine and Max haven't talked since Dillion came back. Weren't they dating? Why not explore a literal power couple, a Dynamo Duo?
>>139505176She was entirely unrepentant about killing him and then taking his schtick and doesn't even seem to care that he's back, even though Max felt bad about killing her despite usually being a complete tool.
>>139505079Well Felicia is morally gray but at her core she’s a good person. So I think she’d be appropriately disgusted and would almost immediately go to Peter with that information
Fuck yeah Stegron!
>>139505413Yeah probably so. Though I’m still trying to figure out if she should immediately tell Peter what she found, or attempt to infiltrate the facility, and discover more of the horrors inside including the dimension physic field experiments (what created Sandman here, similar to what happened to Doctor Manhattan) and the “lifeform,” they’re keeping in the lab for experiments, which is literally an alien kid. The reason I’m torn is because if Felicia infiltrates the facility, then she might get caught and forced to undergo the cat procedure which was Oscorp’s end result of the study they performed by creating Tigra, though they’ve ironed out the deformities. Obviously this would make her more similar to her TAS super soldier self but I’m unsure
>>139480161one could say morris got benched
>>139504977>Said arc is adapted to next Spider-man seriesI swear, Marvel's Spider-Man was written by people who dislike Norman Osborn. Somehow he managed to be the weakest and most pathetic version of the character to ever hit a tv series.
>>139505695I’d say she tells him and she says she’s going back for more intel. Peter tells her no, or at least not without him, but she goes anyways and potentially gets caught and turned into a legit cat girl. I think it’s the best of both worlds but that’s just me
>>139507329Alright, sounds like a good idea there
>>139504977Yeah, you actually make a good point. I guess I was mostly just thinking mainline comics where he hasn't been especially dangerous or plot relevant outside of that dumb recent thing with the new arms and Peter (actually Wells) calling him his "greatest foe".>making Norman Mephisto's patsy at bestGod though, I keep blotting the Norman Mephisto shit out of my memory. What a godawful decision. Marvel needs to undo all Mephsitoshit and keep him out of my fucking spider-books. Let Norman be just an evil bastard because he's an evil bastard.
>>139504977Dock Ock is one of the few evil genius/mad scientist types that is still really good in a fight when his whole plan comes crashing down. Spider-Man wrecks his earthquake machine or nightmare device, he is still a tough fight for Peter when he gets mad over it. Most of the time the evil genius villains are instantly considered defeated when their big super machine is wrecked.
>>139504994I thought Puma doesn't really do much typical villainy outside of defending his reservation and people living there. It doesn't bring him to Manhattan very often.
>>139487201>>139487233>>139488531I'm betting he'll have a fishbowl eventually. If y'all remember the Halloween party from the first game, one of the NPCs was wearing a Mysterio costume complete with fishbowl.
>>139505655Weird how many Spidey villains have their own knockoffs. Dock Ock has other Dock Ock and there was that one time kid ockSame shit with Scorpion, Beetle, and ElectroNorman has Hobgoblin, Demogoblin and all the shittier post 2000 goblinsLizard has StegronVenom has Carnage and all the other symbiotesHydro Man basically counts as another Sandman
>>139505655Stegron just wanted that sharkgirl pussy, he shoulda hit that
>>139474865>>139485345I have just now realized Mysterio's cape claps give him eyes.
>>139508646>Lizard has StegronAnd Iguana and that malevolent clone from the 90s and Komodo and American Kaiju.
>>139508794Lizards are the natural enemies of spiders after all
>>139509211Fuck does anyone have that screen grab of someone saying all of Spider-Man’s villains were based off spiders natural predators and everyone pointing out how wrong that is
>>139509873I actually remember that, pretty sure I was one of the comments.
>>139500524The Hobgoblin worked perfectly fine without the Kingsley reveal.
>>139510003Nice I always chuckle when I remember>Octupus>Vultures>Goblins >Alien symbiotesWait a second
>>139508022Righteous. Threads probably gonna hit bump limit soon so hopefully you’ll be in the next one, I’d love to hear more about your ideas
>>139509873>>139510292doc ock: octopus eat many species of sea spidersvenom: venom is highly toxic to spiderselectro/shocker: humans use bug zappers to kill spidersmysterio: spiders are susceptible to poison gasvulture: vultures eat spiders that habit on treesRhino: rhinos can trample on spider webschameleon: they eat spidersscorpion: they also eat spidersgreen/hobgoblin: goblins are known in folklore to boil spiders to make potionsJJ: humans use rolled up newspaper to kill spidersAny other cases?
I don't know why i think this character Mirage feels like Monarch from Venture Bros.?
>>139510037After a while, the Hobgoblin could have just been an endless circle of guys finding Green Goblin stashes, building brainwashing machines and kidnapping other guys which they could turn into Hobgoblins.
>>139510482>mysterio: spiders are susceptible to poison gasPoison gas isn’t his MO. It’s illusions.
>>139510482Kingpins sometimes step on spiders.Stegosaurus would squish one if he stepped on one.Hunters (Kraven) hunt spiders all the time, trust me.White rabbits could eat spiders if they’re on a carrot.A Tombstone would squash a spider if it fell.I think we’re on a roll, boys.
>>139510904>A poison is any substance, including any drug, that has the capacity to harm a living organism. Poisoning generally implies that damaging physiological effects result from exposure to pharmaceuticals, illicit drugs, or chemicals. Anything can be a poison depending on the dose, heck, you can even be poisoned by water if you ingest too much, so-- Oh my gosh. >Water is a natural predator to spiders. >Hydro-man's place in the rogues gallery is secure
>>139510368thanks, I’ll definitely share some and I’d appreciate any advice on the ideas I have. Though once again I don’t think everyone will like all of the ideas given they’re meant for my sister who likes the Amazing films, Spiderverse, 80s-early 2000s films, and the MCU (but only the Spider-Man movies, Endgame, Wandavision, and Ms. Marvel) she’s neutral on everything else
>>139484807Electro's power cannot be contained
>>139503803>>139504006IMO, Morlun already felt like really wearing out his welcome by the time of The Other. Some villains are supposed to be one-and-dones and there's nothing wrong with that, sometimes a villain who has little screentime can still steal the show, but I wouldn't expect Slott of all people to understand that.
>>139511854Some reviews I've read from that time opined that Morlun was never a good villain.
>>139510904Mysterio's helmet symbolizes the glass humans use to catch spiders.
>>139510935Can confirm that burly Russian dudes are a threat to the local spider population.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spiders_of_Russia
in case this thread dies before I wake up tomorrow I just want to say this was funthanks for the thread, my fellow costumed villain appreciators
>>139510904A spider with sufficient intelligence could be fooled by an illusion and then get squished
>>139511178Again I don’t think you should worry about other peoples opinions, especially on 4chan, just focus on making this good for her and that should translate to other people
>>139512535Fair enough and thank you. I love Spider-Man and especially his villains. Venom has always been my favorite superhero
>>139512335Peace was never an option.
>>139512606You're welcome man. Godspeed and see you in the next thread
>>139506879At least you know Norman can't get any worse in a TV series. Surely... right?>>139510482>>139510935LOL>>139512342Nice to bump into threads like these every now and then. That's why I peak into /co/ occasionally.
>>139512342this thread was fun. hats off to you anons who kept it alive with good shit
>>139486998He had that lab coat for no more than 10 seconds. To me the snout is just as important as the lab coat. Without the snout he looks like some weird extra-terrestrial.
>>139487201He looks like a Central American or a Filipino.
>>139488489No. Mysterio in no way home was written awfully, and the mcu never as so much as showing a photo of uncle Ben proves that they don’t love spider-man.
>>139476831you're a massive fag
>>139490599Mysterio would work
>>139491419The purple pants are important. I’m not a fan of the spikes. Makes him look too much like a dinosaur.
>>139513635>What’s better than this? Just guys being pals
>>139484983So almost a sort of miniboss?? I like that.
>>139488830also I mean his original motive in the comics was “I’m evil because why the fuck not” anyways
>>139493630I like them :<
>>139506835Loved this moment. Hilarious.
>>139501920I love that idea.
No ass or tiddies posted?Are you all gay? This is a porn site.
>>139516245Spider-Fags are notorious for being gay. Imagine making a thread about villains and posting men in tights instead of Black Cat's tits.
To me, Carnage is the most underutilised villain in the entire rogues gallery. He’s a perfect Spider-Man villain that just hasn’t really had a writer demonstrate what kind of story can be told with him.The best Spider-Man villains have a conceptual tie to the character. Venom started out as a shadow to Spider-Man, following him undetected and using a twisted version of his own morality. Octavious is what happens when a bullied scientist didn’t get to grow up with family like Ben and May. Osborn the personal villain that has affected Peter’s life more than any of the others combined.Carnage has that same distinction: he is Peter’s nightmare. Peter, more than anyone else, wants to save lives. He started out as a hero because he wants to avoid someone losing someone like he lost Uncle Ben. Carnage is not just murder incarnate, but the murder Peter can’t stop. Carnage looks like the Spider-Man costume drenched in blood. He offers no great plan or scheme. He wants death. Peter has yet to take down Carnage solo. He’s always needed a team because Carnage is simply too powerful. When Carnage is loose, Peter is in a race against time to prevent as much murder as possible, and even though he can’t ever beat Carnage in a fight, he still has to try. I think no other villain embodies Spider-Man’s “no one dies” and “power and responsibility” traits like Carnage does. Pete knows he’s horrifically outmatched but will throw himself into the meat grinder over and over because it’s what he feels like he has to do. When people call Carnage a Joker ripoff they’re wrong. The thing with the Joker is Batman can pound him into mush the second they get physical. Spider-Man can’t do that with Carnage. He can’t beat him, he has to SURVIVE him, whilst minimising as many casualties along the way. No other villain can made Peter freeze up in horror when they escape like Carnage does. It’s just a shame no writer has written the definitive story yet.
>>139494525So really, White Rabbit is the only original one?
>>139494781No, that kinda rhino is weird and doesn’t really fit in to the Spider-Man mythos to me.
>>139495140The Paul Giamatti one was absolute shit
>>139495675No, the insomniac one looks bad and boring
>>139516774i agree, but carnage has been overutilised lately. Absolute and maximum carnage were great but he's now everywhere.
>>139516774>>139516904WhoIsThisGit made a great point that Carnage is a better character than Venom or Spider-Man.
>Source: oliveroctavius>I’ve said this before but American Son is one of those almost comedically bald-faced Freudian highly charged reactionary nightmares to me. Obama had just been elected and then we get this story where Norman Osborn stands in for a paternalist rich deep state (he’s taking on the Captain America role himself!). Father government then lures his white American son under his control with a false promise of nuclear family safety only to then go psych! Actually, your girlfriend loudly prefers subservience to me, and I’m plotting your “accidental” death now that I’ve decided to give away your birthright to the mixed-race superchild of the future! And then Harry has to put on a super-suit painted with its own red white and blue pattern and fight back. ??????
500th reply. neat.
It was good while it lasted. Such as fate of Spidey's goodness.
>>139517983OP here.......would you guys like it if we do another villain thread? I'll make it
>>139518009It's up to you, really. I wouldn't mind more villain discussion but it might be better to give these things time to breathe. Maybe once the weekend rolls around again?