Has there been a mainstream comic run as good as the Bat epic in last 30 years?Morrison's Action comics excluded.
>>137394129The Knightfall Arc ran in the early 90's
>>137394167This was shit. Something that's epic and grand without having tons of loopholes and is decently written.
>>137394235name 20 loopholes in Knightfall
>>137394302Random 7-year-old boy taking over Gotham because he likes Napoleon or something, where'd he fuck off to.
>>137394167No, and I read it as it was being released
I wouldn't even say its the best Morrison run of the last 30 years. 2001 New X-Men Grant Morrison2001 X-Statix Peter Milligan 2004 The Punisher (MAX) Garth Ennis
>>137394456>New X-menI wish I could read ypur post further.
>>137394129Genuinely no. And least of all anything written by grant himself. >>137394167That shits awful, the novelization is better.
>>137394456Stop. He hasn’t writtten anything in his career as well paced, plotted, thought out and executed as his run on Batman/B&R.
>>137394456Also ennis punisher is better before MAX and only good after Born when he’s paired with Parlov because, like millar, parlov gives a nice aesthetic for the misery and cynicism to bounce off of.
>>137394129Geoff Johns Green Lantern. It's not always the best but it has so much great stuff overall. Johns did more for GL than what Morrison did for Batman.
>>137395596Meh, I hate the rainbow corps but I can’t claim it isn’t just as influential and high profile.
>>137395596lol
>>137394129Sorry, I'll have to mention better ones instead.>>137395596ThisDnA's Cosmic MarvelDnA's Heroes For HireKyle & Yost's X-Men & CompanyGreg Pak's Incredible HerculesJourney Into Mistery (forgot the writer)+ a number of 90s stuff, to name a few.
>>137395860>Sorry, I'll have to mention better ones instead.Did your post get cut off? Not seeing them.
>>137395869Read some good comics, then
>>137395860>Kyle & Yost's X-Men & CompanyNew X-Men/Academy X and X-Force? What was so special about it?Academy X was good and X-Force was OK, but they weren't even the best X-books of the era. See PAD's X-Factor, Remender's X-Force, or Gillen's Uncanny.
>>137394129Not going to read the thread, but I assume it is full of Morrison haters. Tired of this shit, /co/ used to appreciate Moz.
>>137395531>>137395491Gentle reminder Morrison’s pronouns are they/them ^_^
>>137396876No, he will always be a man.
>>137394129The Long Halloween
>>137396814PAD's X-Factor was great, but I'm not sure I'd consider it peak x-book because it really does its own thing. >New X-Men/Academy X and X-Force? What was so special about it?It actually built (respectfully, I thought) on previous Claremont continuity, tied some loose ends. New X-Men towards the end actually had a good take on a new X-Men junior team earning their name - I didn't care for Academy X and all the random slaughter early on.I actually meant more towards the Messiah Trilogy and Necrosha era (it felt like they were kinda leading the direction of the comics at that point, for me), though even Curse of the Mutants still had some good material. I'll admit I don't recall exactly who was writing the main X-Men books, but a lot of the Utopia era in them rubbed me the wrong way.
>>137394129Goes to shit in Batman Inc.The beginning part of the run is underrated though.
For batman? Only O'Neil editor's run is at the same level but has worse low because 90s.For other heroes?Don't think they are better or worse but>JLA and All Star Superman>Moessner/Waid/Geoff Flash>Geoff/Tomasi's Green Lantern run>Triangle Era(it had also worse low) ,plus Louise Steel and PAD supergirl>10s Aquaman(multiple kino runs with serviceable runs)>Peter David Hulk>Geoff Johns Superboy prime epic(the finale was the only good thing about Batkek)>Lemire Animal Man>Busiek and Geoff Superman>Daredevil post Miller saga (Nocenti to JMD to Kessel to Kelly was a ride to leave Miller shadow that made you cry when Quesada happened)>HAckman Fantastic Four>DnA Guardians and Nova>Greg Pak Herc and Hulk>Jurggens Thor>Busiek Ironman n Avengers>Louise simonson and Peter David X factor>AuthorityPresident Luthor era(Loeb+ Kelly) could have been better than batmorrison but they fucked up at the end of both runs.
>>137394129What would a Morrison run of Spider-man be like?
>>137397081Bad.
>>137397081Like JMS's run(same with Hickman)Also, Morrison would rather write Thor or FF than Spiderman
>>137394129>DC Hitman>MarvelPunisher MAX (Ennis)>VertigoThe InvisiblesPreacherThe SandmanSandman Mystery Theatre>WildStorm/ABCPlanetary Wildcats 3.0 PrometheaThe League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I and II Tom StrongTop Ten>>137395545MAX was after Born.
>>137394129The Geoff Johns’ Green Lantern run
The original War Journal is better than the Ennis MAX run.
>>137394129This implies Batman was good in the last thirty years when it really isn’t.
>>137398227Was No Man's Land bad?
>>137398394It wasn’t no Year One.
>>137398208Not only is that wrong, it's irrelevant.
>>137394129Immortal Hulk, easily.
>>137398463>late 80s action cheese > Ennis edgefest No, it’s not.
>>137394129Remender's Uncanny X-Force would be my personal pick
>>137394129>Has there been a mainstream comic run as good as the Bat epic in last 30 years?I legit think GL comics are of higher quality than Batman comics.
Oh boy, more "Ennis is bad" seething from the schizo. Are you ever not triggered by his name?
>>137394129All Morrison comics suck
>>137398667After reading the Boys comic after my friends hyped it up for me, I genially think Ennis deserves to get shat on for writing such a dogshit comic
>>137396876The only person whos pronouns I would respect. None of the Twitter snowflakes have written a great Batman or Superman comic. So whatever, they/them Morrison is still one of the best out there.
>>137398933Fag
>>137398468sux
>>137398998Yes I have gay sex, why do you ask?>I am a bottom if it matters
>>137398830It's not even that bad. It has its good qualities.Have you read any current year ongoings? Those are bad.
>>137396927Utopia era X-Men was Matt Fraction. I think you're overestimating Kyle and Yost's influence on that era of comics. They did Necrosha and Messiah War, but both of those crossovers were just extensions of their X-Force run, and none of it had the character-defining work you saw from PAD or Remender.
>>137398744Wrong. He has some good stuff.
>>137399608They
>>137399833They who? Anon just mentioned Morrison.
>>137399972It's a bait post. Morrison asked to be called they instead of he, so posters will concern troll when Morrison is misgendered.
>>137399410>I think you're overestimating Kyle and Yost's influence on that era of comics.I dunno, their X-Force run was the one that used a bunch of classic Claremont villains and referenced classic stuff. I get the impression those two are huge fans of the Claremont run, but one is an edgelord who loved killing off characters. You can see in the crossovers that spanned several titles like Messiah Complex, Second Coming and Necrosha. Meanwhile, the other titles' writers were giving us stuff I largely didn't care for like Generation Hope, a lot about Utopia, the science club etc.
>>137394129idk
>>137400012Morrison even say that is too old to that shit and doesn't give a fuck.Is probably more a "I don't believe in genders in my whole live who should I care now"
>>137399608No he does not
Morrison's retired from big 2 comics right?
>>137400165Wrong again.
>>137400498Hopefully. He's getting worse and worse at comics.
>>137400854the first half of his GL was crazy fun, imho
>>137394129green lantern by geoff johns until new52 (add green lantern corps to be even more kino)
>>137396876Kek what a fag.
>>137401049I fell off in early season 2, was there anything good in there or nah? References to his wider lore or anything?
>>137399245Sorry dude but it’s legit shit.
>>137401421dunno, I did exactly the same thing. Got so wild that you'd need an annotated edition and foot notes to make sense of it.I liked the Blackstar mini, though.
>>137394129LOTDK, Batman/Gotham Adventures
>>137401537Are you me?Blackstar mini was cool, but the issue that lost me was the Flash team up one I think. I know it had strange birds in it too. Utterly incomprehensible. I thought Grant was sober now...
>>137401621Neat comic
>>137401621>>137401866agreed, pretty kino
>>137401667Wasn't this giant bronze baby in that too? Hell, art was great
>>137401451It's bad overall, but it has good qualities. I managed to finish it without feeling the need to bitch, which is more than I can say for most other bad comics.
>>137401621I don't get it.
>>137396876actually no, you fags just misinterpreted what he said, which is unironically quite bigoted
>>137394354You mean The General? Robin took care of him in his own series
>>137396973That would be the second part/series of Batman Inc, during New 52 shit. It seemed editorial didn't want all the deep continuity references of the first half, gutting Grant's existing story and leaving behind a bare bones, uninteresting and padded basic action tale
>>137400131Probably more 'comic companies are beholden to debtors and the biggest debtors want only fags and dickchoppers getting promotion'
>>137402765Yeah i'll concede that the first part of Inc was better. HOWEVER, the foreign Batmen shit was my least favorite part of his whole Bat Epic so increasing the focus on them bored me. I don't care about le scottish batman, and his sidekick girl was only slightly less boring/annoying.
>>137394167it's far longer than it should be.
>>137398394honestly, the big problem I have with No Man's land is that Batman is absent for a good deal of it. I know there are rabid fans of the supporting cast and I respect that, but I'm Batman for Batman and, maybe, Grayson.
>>137396973I have all three omnis and I stalled out as soon as I reached Inc.
Comics suck because they literally don't let new people in, at least, not on merit.
>>137399245NTA, but I don't even know why I finished it. It made me feel gross, like I'd jerked off six times in the same day.
>>137394129Yes, many. Morrison's run was pretentious overblown self-sabotaging shit.
>>137398394I thought it was pretty good, a fun event that used many characters well. And it did make some meaningful changes on Batman too - Cassandra being the most obvious.
>>137394129Tom King's Batman buries it
>>137403282I hope you at least read the native American batman and Robin chapter, that was the best issue in Inc IMO.
>>137403374>pretentiousThe peak of the run (B&R) was incredibly lean and straightforward though.
>>137403291DC regularly puts out specials and anthology comics that are made up of a lot of new talent. A lot of them suck but some have promise. Marvel has been promoting new writers and artists for a couple years now. One of the better Spider-Man artists started off doing Spider-Man fanart on Deviantart. DC's Chinese push has been bringing in Chinese writers and artists.
>>137403263That's fair.>>137403579I have yet to read the whole thing, I've read the first volume and felt alright.
>>137404018No I was trolling don't read it. Or at least don't pay for it. King's run was trash, save the time. There are like 20 other Batman runs that would be better.
>>137394129The run itself was fine. But literally nothing good has come out of the legacy its left on Batman.
>>137397324>Like JMS's runSo, awful.
>>137403374Name 20.
>>137394129Greg Rucka's Batman was pretty good but Ed Brubaker might be Satan to the character so everything Rucka did is kind of tainted.War Games was a war crime. His Catwoman was carried by the artists
>>137394129This is the only Batman I ever read and I tried reading more afterward but it just didn't interest me.
>>137401049I mean, I though the real crazy fun was volume 2, but you do you, man
>>137396910I think the criteria is ongoing Big Two comic run. Long Halloween is limited. Just another example of why ongoing comics are crappy. The most iconic and best-selling Batman stories are limited series.>>137401621LotDK is an anthology, not an epic run in an ongoing under a dedicated mastermind. But it's easily the best non-limited Batman book in main continuity of the last 30 years. Batman Adventures, Gotham Adventures, and Superman Adventures are probably the most solid, overall quality ongoings at DC in the last 30 years.>>137398227Yep.>>137400498Morrison is getting to that age when comic writers don't really have that ambition anymore, right? He looks good for his age, but 63 is well past the prime for most Big Two writers. The MCU is so financially successful it's a phenomenon, yet it didn't really invigorate the superhero genre. If the MCU had a robust DCCU to compete against, then maybe more energy and talent would've been generated. But many fear that superhero fatigue is setting in, and that opportunity is gone. (Or maybe somehow the normies jumping ship will right the wrongs, who knows?)I think Morrison bowed out due to the shitshow of New 52, and the overall lack of passion and innovation in the Big Two for the last decade+. If the tide turns, maybe he'd jump in again. It feels like we're in an age of ennui and stagnation waiting for some big thing to come fix everything up, like King Arthur restoring the kingdom or some shit.
It's the blueprint for everything bad about modern Batman stories.
>>137394129Batman No mans land? I prefer it over bat epic.Knightfall and hush get lots of mentions by batfags but both are trash.
>>137394129What does anonymous mean by this, y'all?
>>137403291>not on meritThat’s the key. They hire lots of new people, mostly people who have never bought a floppy, hate the entire release format, write for trades and barely ever read any of those.
>>137408237This but not by fault of the original story. The original story was amazing, but then writers keep putting out mediocre riffs on the original like a bad photocopy, getting worse and worse each time.Miller does DKR and we're still getting grimdark batshit 30+ years later.We'll get the Snyders and Zdarskys and Williamsons of the industry doing Morrison ripoffs for at least another 15 years.
>>137411054This.
>>137404061>King's run was trash, save the time.Tom King? I wouldn't bother. What does that have to do with No Man's Land, though?>>137408043>I think Morrison bowed out due to the shitshow of New 52Wasn't part of the fault on the shitshow because of him? Like, he just wouldn't communicate with anyone working on it
>>137394129I really don't get what people see in Morrison's run, it's shit and racist as hell.
>>137412695>racist as hellThis has no bearing on its quality.
>>137413514yes it has
>>137414021Sucks.
>>137414106still better than Morrison's batwank or Johns' colorwank
>>137414106That's a shit take.Anyways, I'd put Hickman's Fantastic Four and Avengers runs and how it all led to Secret Wars up there with Morrison's Batman.
>>137414161Maybe.>>137415286Those are all shit.
>>137414021top choice
>>137416116No.
>>137415612>Those are all shit.That's true
>>137395596Johns is a hack and Hal should have stayed dead.
>>137411872>Wasn't part of the fault on the shitshow because of him? Like, he just wouldn't communicate with anyone working on itThat was about Superman, not Batman.
>>137413565Nope.
