Why is miles still rejected?There’s no valid reason behind racism at this point
>>137384932I don't know, his hair looks stupid.
Name one thing he does better as a character compared to Peter.
Cause he’s black
>>137384972Keeping Gwen Stacy alive.
>>137384950>161 repliesI'm glad I've never looked at that board.
>>137384932His first movie was great and his second one likely will be as well.He is great in the video games.In the comics however he remains fucking trash, and is literally a PR piece Marvel wants to cancel per Nick Lowe's own fucking words but can't because of the backlash it would cause. The comics version of Miles is a tumor Marvel isn't allowed to cut out.
>>137384932>make product with no unique niche or definable appeal to replace an established popular product >ten years later after no one cared the first time start flooding every corner of the market with the same lame product>act surprised when people are angry it's crowding out the things people already care aboutOr maybe it isn't Miles but the whole Spiderverse concept in general I'm tired of seeing.But maybe there'll be a Coke Classic at the end d of this New Coke tunnel
>>137385033You're not missing much. These days /tv/ is basically /pol/-lite, and I say this as a self-identifying racist who hates Miles.
>>137384932Why do all spider-verse threads start with a twitter screenshot?
>>137385058>These days /tv/ is basically /pol/-liteIsn’t that more akin to /v/ though?
>>137384932As someone who is absolutely okay with the idea of Miles.>1. created to serve a specific purpose in 1610 of replacement Spider-man, not needed or wanted in that role in 616.>2. Very few stories/villains that are uniquely his. he does have them, specifically he has the Assessor and Ultimatum who are decent, but writers refuse to use them or create other new characters, resulting in him just retreading Peter plots/villains in a really unsubtle way.3.While it's not everything with him there is a distinct pushed and ingenuine element to him in recent years. Part of that is politics, the other part is Bendis's BBC/Cuck fetishes leaking into the character.The end result of this combines with the refusal to let Peter [or let's be real, almost any big name character] move on or change their relative narrative role or position to create a situation where Miles is constantly trying, from a metanarrative standpoint, to push Peter out as the "young street level relatable Spider-man" but never quite can succeed while Peter is bogged down in the usual post-X-Factor comics malaise of petty drama and over the top do or die plots trying to also be the "young, street level, relatable Spider-man" rather than be allowed to move into a narrative position that lets him or Miles breathe more and fit the hands their dealt better.TLDR: the character has no reason to exist and brings nothing to the table while actively harming another one just by existing, and they refuse to allow that situation to change or be fixed despite it literally being easy as shit to unfuck. His race barely has anything to do with it.
>>137384932Is it wrong that I hate him simply because he's black? I'm tired of rationalizing. Why can't I just hate him for his skin?
>>137384932It's his lack of character and purpose. He exists to be black spiderman, which means until he gets something of his own he is designated second banana to Peter.
>>137384932I mean movie and game Miles are good enough and nobody with the capacity for intellectual honesty would deny that all the hate is just racism at this point.
>>137385023We said one thing better, i dont wanna see that bitch one more time on a variant cover or see her around anymore
>>137385097Because people like you also complain when others treat you worse for what you are.
>>137385109Damn, Anon. What did Paul say about that?
>>137384932It's not racism.Stop trying to replace Peter Parker as Spider-Man.
I haven't read a spider-man comic since elementary school. I think Miles works in Spider-verse cause even if his personality isn't all that different it's enough to make him want to not just be Peter (unique themes for the SV movies) and also it's better to have a different character for the series that's explicitly about multiverse stuff so Peter can still be "normal" spider-man in audiences minds
>>137385112No I'm fine with people not liking me. I enjoy honesty. I'm sick and exhausted of having to go "I'm not racist I just-" I hate blacks because they are different. Their race could stop commiting crime and increase in IQ and I'd still despise them. I barely like Asians. They're just useful for me right now.
>>137385104At this point why even have a /co/ board?/tv/ discusses all the capeshit movies as well as regular moviesNobody reads comicbooksThere are only about 30 people on this board and they're all trannies and/or pedophiles
>>137385013schizo detected
>>137385109This
Nice raid thread
>>137384932I was hating on Spider-Verse before it was cool simply because of a single line: "We are all Spider-Man."This is the movie telling me that Peter Parker, my hero, is not special and that anyone can do what he does. Even worse, it is disguised behind an emotional speech trying to present itself as an uplifting message to inspire others to act heroically. But it didn't fool me. It's real meaning from a meta context is that Peter is being replaced because corporations care more about branding than actual individuals.
>>137385198Cartoons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o47kLkqXLU
>>137385217>trannies and/or pedophiles/tv/ discusses the important ones like Family Guy and South Park
>>137385216In all fairness, who knows how many radioactive spiders were going around.
He's just a pretty bad character who didn't have a decent story until an overrated movie. Only casuals like to play the race card.
>>137385219Yes,everyone you don't like is some random nobody. You do the same shit with shroommeister,kuckyweck,bluemaxwell,timbox,waggytoons,haanimation
>>137385252>getting this defensive over Joshua's 3" TBChi josh
>>1373849321. I don't want a replacement for Peter Parker.2. His suit looks worse.3. This character serves no purpose other than to ruin the legacy and simultaneously ride the coattails of a character who has been firmly established and beloved for years.4. It's further proof these people can't make anything new, just shit up things that already exist.5. "Black <X>" is a tired trope done by idiots who want representation bux/the ability to do whatever they want and use racism as a shield against any criticism. If you want a black superhero, make something original like Static Shock.
>>137385013Also my neighbor
>>137385280>dead boardNewfag
>>137385282>4. It's further proof these people can't make anything new, just shit up things that already exist.This is my favorite part. A white dude creates this character and mouth breathers hate blacks because of it. I'm not complaining, I actually love it. Hate everyone. Fuck humans.
>>137385239I know you're joking, but for those lurking that do not know, it was literally the same spider.That is how much of a copycat Miles' premise is.
It’s probably fear of Peter being replaced which should never happen permanently, the fact miles doesn’t have much to his name yet although he is getting villains like the tinkerer, prowler and the spot
>>137385282Based
>>137385297https://4stats.io/Yaaaay we beat............./cgl/ and /toy/
>>137385293Who?
>>137385293man...this really is a schizo board
>>137385324Well of course, it's Joshua Úlmer's homeboard
>>137385216Your hero sold his marriage to the devil
>>137384932racist hereI hate him because he's black
>>137385186based pragmatic racist
>>137385336miles morales also did something similar
>>137385299Based reptoid overlord.
>>137385335>>137385293Two schizos in one thread
>>137385336>one hack writer no one likes somehow invalidates decades of good stories by other writersDo you ever get tired of your retarded talking point?
>>137385299(((White)))
>>137384932Why is it not okay to hate Miles? Is it because he's black? That's racist.
>>137385365Eh, it was some third worlder. Nothing of value was lost.
>>137384932I don't hate him, I just think he will always be inferior to Spiderman specifically because he is Spiderman 2.
>>137385405Exactly! You're doing it! I love it!
>>137384972He's black! Don't you love black people?They're black so they're better than white people.Did you know black people were slaves? White people were never slaves.
>>137385186>No I'm fineYou obviously aren't otherwise you wouldn't be asking, "Is it wrong", dumbass.
>>137384932Anytime someone asks me why people don't like Miles, I ask them to tell me about one of their favorite stories involving Miles.They never can. They'll just say "Spiderverse" and not really go into specifics before turning it back to "Why don't these raci-I mean people don't like Miles?"I can tell you about all the Batman stories I like the most or even about things that Green Lanterns did that I liked (even though I only skimmed through GL Corps and Blackest Night).But I can't really get that about people that say they like Miles. I'm not sure what that means or if it means the same thing for all people, but it's a little suspicious.Fuck, I don't even really like Spiderman that much, but I can tell you about that time in Civil War he mogged the fuck out of Mister Fantastic.
>>137384932He's just lame
>>137385501This, I like Nightwing appearing in Batman comics but I don't like Nightwing comics.
>>137384932>Why is miles still rejected?Because he's being used a vehicle to supplant Spider-Man behind corporates and mentally ill-writers with racist agendas.
>>137385514All of my favorite Nightwing moments are from when he was Batman so I don't really know what to do with myself.But if someone were to ask me about it, I'd be able to answer them more thoroughly than Miles' claque can.
>>137385452bendis is jewish and he married a black woman
>>137385501I'm not in these threads often, but I see this post or one similar to it every time I'm in these threads, and someone almost always does, only for it ot be followed by dismissal.
Do yanks really have this rent free mentality?
>>137384932there are quite a few reasons but I will just say here that he has an extremely punchable face
>>137385558>I hazily remember someone being able to answer this questionThese threads usually have someone like you saying dumb shit like this as well. Whats your point?
People here still read comics? I honestly feel many people who like or at worst, indifferent to Miles have really only seen Spiderverse or played the game. I doubt a single spiderverse fan has read a miles or even peter comic. Comics are obsolete in the capeshit movie era.>inb4 Miles still sucksSure but my point still stands. Nobody in the outside world knows what the fuck a "Bendis" even is
>>137385599>White people weren't.
>>137385604Stop repeating yourself when your question has already been answered, idiot.
>>137385555Yup yup yup! I love you, Anon. Kick all them all out and then "true whites" will be the minority they desperately want to be
>>137384932>characterthat's the problem, he isn't one, nothing about him makes him stand out.
>>137385599*unless they lived around Greece or Rome or Asia or Egypt
>>137385299>the ability to do whatever they want and use racism as a shield against any criticismThanks for proving the point, idiot.
>>137385606I enjoy Spiderverse (movie) and Spider-Man comics. I read a Miles comic and literally it was a discount clone saga with an evil regime taking over Brooklyn via Miles' evil clone Selim. It was really fucking dumb.
>>137384932Because it's not racism.Why do you still believe racism is the only reason to justify a black character not being good or interesting?
>>137385619>question has already been answeredQuote the post plz
>>137384950There's a retard here that likes to make the same thread for both boards.
>>137385033>implying this one won't get 500+ until bumped outyou clearly don't know where you are
>>137385293Based
>>137385632*or any medieval country where everyone was slaves equally if they were poor enough
>>137385606More or less.If you want to enjoy these characters, don't do it in comics.They're given better portayls in damn near every other medium.
>>137385567No one mentioned yanks. Maybe you should look in the mirror if you're gonna complain about free rent.
>>137385558If you can't articulate why a story is good then the story isn't good. Any dick head with a wiki can rattle off some names of arcs
>>137385640Meanwhile people got angry because this man is obviously not white, lol. Again, fuck then all, Yay racism!
>>137385599>White people weren't.Read a book nigga
>>137385725You're too stupid to argue with. Keep being a useful idiot.
>>137385693Most mannerism in this thread just smells of Yanks being yanks. Miles just a yank like any other yank in your 50 states, don't see the reason for the hate less you hate the state for which he was born in.
>>137384932Hes ugly and boring also most importantly hes propaganda
>>137385753The rest of your post is you digging a hole and shitting and pissing in it until you drown, the only point you've made is you're a waste of oxygen.
>>137385599>White Adjacent Do you consider Icelandic to be white adjacent? Because the Ottomans and Africans would raid Iceland for slaves in the 14th/15th century iirc.
>>137384932there's no valid reason behind his existence. he's black spiderman. same with female counterparts of popular male characters. make something new or fuck off.
I love what Spider-verse did for him, and I actually really liked the video game Miles was a ton of fun to play as. but Miles in the comics is almost always boring, and Peter isn't a character that works well with the concept of legacy. He isn't Batman, and Marvel is not DC. Also Miles can NEVER be his own man for as long as he's Spider-Man. He'll always be othered as "The Black Spider-Man" The thing that makes most legacy characters work is that they either take the mantle for their own, or grow into their own person after a time. Miles will never do either. Marvel should have embraced the Kid Arachnid name and called it a day but they didn't, they double downed and said they're both Spider-Man.
>>137385827I'm not the one pushing people out of any group. I consider them all to be white, I'm just reacting to people telling me Bendis isn't white, which he obviously is.
>>137384932>Charecter
>>137385775"Yank" refers to a very specific part of American culture. It doesn't apply to everyone living here, even if you see no difference from across the pond. It'd be like me calling the Irish "bongs."
>>137385299>whiteWrong
>>137385645>SelimKek
>>137385753>said white adjacent but ignores the book explicitly stating white people.>tries to shit on me for not knowing how to readI'm not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension retard-kun. Maybe if you put a few more points into reading instead of dicksucking you'd have had a good response.
>>137384932Racism isn't Miles Morale's foe. It's indifference.
>>137385920“Yank” get thrown around a lot to me it’s a shitty baseball team to my cousin in the south it’s us fuckers in the north to everyone else it seems to be USA in general. Like when I was in the UK I was referred to as a yank to which I responded by throwing my tea in the river we had some laughs about that good times.
>>137384932I've never enjoyed the concept of "Supehero v2". The only time it worked was when Terry replaced Bruce who literally couldn't be Batman day-to-day anymore
>>137386286>Like when I was in the UK I was referred to as a yank to which I responded by throwing my tea in the river we had some laughs about that good times.Good banter skills anon.
I think the real question is "why should we like him"Imagine your favorite IP where your favorite character is the protagonist, I waltz in, draw him again except black, and say "royalties please", what reason does anyone have to like that character creation process in itself
>>137386356It should be mandatory for all not-immortal characters. You can keep "the brand" but the plot can move on from ritualistically humiliating the old character to keep the status quo
>>137386249>. Because you posted it after my postYes that's how replying works. You really don't have any reading comprehension do you? You can't refute a response because it wasn't posted before your erroneous statement. Forget reading you don't even know how discussions or arguments work. Fucking hell how do you manage to breath on your own?
>>137386420yeah, I just don't need multiple guys with the same title existing at the same time. Miles should've ceded the name to Peter and become another member of the spider family.Also the lineage of "The Sandman" was great and I liked out Gaiman tied all the incarnations together
>>137384932Because he's basically just a white guy painted black.So he's not white so you lose the white audience but he's not black so he loses the black audience.He's stuck in that "we're too scared to make a black person act even remotely black" limbo.
What's to like about him? In the comics he's literally a token black with zero personality or idenity. Then he had one movie that while making him wildly different and more interesting, is still pretty generic and who cares (Woah! Inner city black kid is genius smart AND AN ARTIST!?) He literally has nothing to like about him. He's generic and boring.
>>137384932>Was literally made to satisfy the writers bbc fetish>Is a Rip-off of the far superior miguel rivera Spider-Man 2099>Is called spider-man despite their already being a spider-man>Upstages peter and takes the spot as the main character in a SPIDER-MAN movie>Dumbass fan-fiction tier powers made for no other reason than to 1up the actual spiderman>Has no actual famous story arcs and is only now just gaining popularity despite being a character for 10+ years>Black
>>137386127I still don't remember what CPT stands for.
>>137386593Colored people time.
>>137386593"colored people time." It's an outdated saying that highlights how black people are typically late for things. I don't think many people use it anymore since white work ethic isn't exactly what it used to be either.
>>137384932he has no good villains or plotlineshis extra powers are retardedhis suit is mediocrehe only worked at all whatsoever in ultimate spider man after peter died, with a living peter parker he's redundant
>>137386629Literally live in the ghetto and have trained countless black people at work, trust me, it's real. Even the hardest working black guys still would come in late all the time and it got so bad the company literally stopped writing up black people for being late half the time because they were afraid of being accused of racism.
>>137386696If you live in the ghetto then you're fucking trash, too
>>137384932I fucking hate spergs so much like it's unreal
>>137384932>"I will never understand the hate behind this character"I mean he's so blatantly introduced to replace the previous protagonist, like unashamedly so that it hurts? In all honesty its probably a wise choice, considering Peter's story arcs in the 90's onwards absolutely blew chunks in terms of quality and its clear they have struggled with him for a long time.Having a new perspective and a new Spidey might be a good thing for a stale brand. The big problem is Miles has very little material to work with other than supplanting Parker time and again, using his rogues gallery and having not much good will going for him other than that Sony movie.
>>137386368It was a fun trip.
>>137384932I like Miles, I just don't like that his whole thing is "But if I'm a good kid who uses his intelligence to do well in my private STEM school & get a good job, people will reject me for not being a ghetto hoodrat!"
>>137384932>>137384932Because he's just discount Peter. Anytime he tries to stand on how own he flops and has to fall back in Peter or Peter's villains.
>>137386765suffering from success
>>137384932Because he's ugly.
>>137385149Were you also mad at Dick Grayson replacing Bruce Wayne as Batman? Also, Peter's been Spider-Man for 70 years, & he still is Spider-Man in a lot of media. He's had EIGHT different movies on the silver screen, EIGHT. He's not going anywhere.
>>137386696I'm not saying it isn't real, I'm just saying the saying isn't as wide spread as it once was.
>>137384932>There’s no valid reason behind racism at this pointThis is one reason>like this character just because he's bl*ck and if you don't you're racistYou're baiting but this is genuinely the main talking point when shilling this character on and outside of 4chan.m*les has no value, no charm and is boring and forgettable. He's being shilled as the new face of super people when all he deserves is to be a c-tier super person.
>>137386826one reason why m*les is rejected.*
>>137384932>>>/tv/185423089
>>137384972Personally? consistency. Miles at least we have a good idea of who he is and what he does with his storyline while Peter Parker has been raped to high hell from a bazillion different writers. Sometimes Literally.
>>137386814You have a HOUSE and a CAR, just give me your wallet, your wealth's not going anywhere
>>137386723Well, it's not like i can choose where i was born and my mom was a psycho who had me at 15 and stole 10 grand from me. For future reference, below 25 and living in the ghetto = poor parents, above 25 and living in the ghetto = loser. Also fuck you dude, your posting on /co/ your not exactly coming across as better than anyone bud.
>>137386789It's not even that he's discount Peter, it's that he's a discount version of MODERN Peter, only worse in that he lacks the formula or relative foundation that Peter has been warped into in an attempt to boost relatability (plenty of Spider-Man clones and copycats outside of Marvel exist with this framework, the relatable teen superhero.)Modern Peter is bad enough in that he's been warped into a facsimile for the sake of mass appeal, but you know what's WORSE? Taking away his edge and distinctive rage. Diluting his empathy and kindness. Removing his supporting cast or replacing them with boring new characters. Having literally who's for villains.That's what's wrong with Miles - he's a clone of a inferior clone of a great and flawed hero. He is hollow inherently.
Anyone have a reading list for Miles?
>>137386923Doesn't exist
>>137386895>not living CPT, living CPLYou can move out when you're 18.
>>137386936I have my own house and car faggot, what about you?
I will never understand the hate behind this character
>>137384932I don’t hate him cause he’s black, I hate him cause he’s fucking boring. Has no original stories, just gets peters left over villains and girl, then he doesn’t even bother getting his own name. Legacy characters don’t work when the legacy they are meant to be living up to is still alive and in the same damn city.
>>137386931He's been in comics for years, there's bound to be one or two good storylines
>>137386912And the worst part is, is that Miles HAS EVERYTHING GOING FOR HIM to be interesting, the idea of a rando becoming Spider-Man has been done before in stuff like Spider-Man Red, we've had examples like Spider-Girl of Peter's legacy in a more healthy and ideal environment growing up compared to what Peter experienced, etc. Marvel COULD make Miles truly compelling but they won't for the same reasons they'll never let Peter grow up, and it's because they want to SI into both - Miles gets all the power to roam the multiverse and fuck Gwen while Peter can fuck all the bitches and stay in Neverland. fuck marvel and if you think Miles is worth defending while hating Marvel for writing Peter like shit, fuck you too. Vote with your fucking wallets you bastards. They don't deserve your money.
>>137385198>/tv/ discusses all the capeshit movies as well as regular moviesthey're discussing them in the wrong way and for the wrong reasons
>>137386923Why is BND and slott ASM on this list?Why is ASM 400 not on this list?Why is DeFalco ASM not on this list?Why is ASM referred to as AMS on this list?
>>137386952I do, too. It isn't in the ghetto.
>>137386964Legacy characters also don't work when they fail to have interesting motivations/goals or be compelling in their own right. Part of the fun of passing the torch is seeing the sheer contrast between generations - Terry and Bruce, the many Joestars, the Blue Beetles, etc.
>>137386967Well you'd certainly be right for hoping that he would
>>137386990no idea these recs are old as hell
>>137386995Yea? you probably had stable parents too, not that helped much because you still turned out to be a faggot talking down to people on 4chan.
The real reason Miles isn’t accepted as Spider-Man is his life is too happy and has too many good things going for him. He needs to suffer to truly be a Spider-Man.
>>137387109And the new movie is about how he DOESN'T have to suffer to be Spider-Man but you should like him regardless because errmm eugh hmmm
>>137387043I did, yes. I don't live in the ghetto. I'm not living that CPL
>>137387073To be fair, having a new guy show up and take your name would be pretty fucked up. That's like if Superman was suddenly met with a Mexican guy who ALSO called himself Superman and dressed in a very similar way to him and acted very similar to him.At least when Kamen Rider got his Secondary they actually embraced the idea instead of going NO YOU'RE BOTH NAMED KAMEN RIDER REEEEEEEEbesides, most people call Miles "black Spiderman" anyway
>>137387122So let me get this straight, you don't live in the ghetto you're basically just a neet for neet sake? atleast I shitpost all day because i don't wanna get raped or mauled by feral negroids but you just choose not to have a social life? are you autistic?
>>137387109It's not that he has a happy life that's the problem, it's that the narrative does NOTHING WITH THESE CIRCUMSTANCESMiles having a happy life SHOULD be used to help make him interesting but he falls into the same problem Modern Teen Peter has where his home life is neglected by the narrative or only used for shock value drama instead of being an active part of the story. Spider-Verse falls flat as a movie because it sets up Miles' home and school life only for it to barely intersect with things UNTIL fucking Aaron dies and even then it's just brushed under the rug.
>>137386696I live in a ghetto and I love my neighbors. Cook out with them often in the summer. Maybe you're just unfriendly and anti-social?
>>137387155They actually jump through a lot of hoops to not call Miles "Black Spider-Man" even though his costume is also black. There's a panel where someone is calling Peter a fake Spider-Man and said the real one (Miles) was the "one with the red and white eyes"They also make it a point to never call Peter the original or real Spider-Man whenever he's referred to in a Miles book, it's always "the other Spider-Man". Even villains that should by all means be shitting on Miles by saying he's a fake Spider-Man to fuck with him have never said it
>>137387211Danmit I can't believe I feel for this bait, you had me going you cheeky cunt. I knew something was up, good on you.
>>137385599nigga has never heard of vikings, or slavs, you know, where the word slave comes from.
>>137387180You're writing your own fiction about me? Always nice to meet a fan. Anyway I have my front door open and it's 9pm and dark
>>137384932>at this pointAlways was. Always will be.
>>137384932He’s forced
>>137387277>his mom is from another country therefore I like him
>>137387262 >>137387274>>137387286You're a fucking freak
>>137387286>>137387262Forget about your tripcode? Realizing you're the same as the people you live around has broken your brain
>>137385186Is it really racist if you hate a race for completely logical reasons? It's like saying you can't hate mosquitoes even if they're blood sucking parasites that spread disease.
>>137387338Smoking the same crack your award winning mother did.
>>137384985>>137385097>>137385186
>>137387350I wish all I can afford working at the molasses factory is computer duster and cough syrup.
>>137387380I believe you
>>137387347I don't believe in rationalizing like this. I'm not scared of being called racist. I'm not going to waste time posting random infographics or even statistics. I just plain hate other races. Part of the reason the white nationalist movement will ultimately fail is because we're too scared to express our beliefs. I don't care if I sound like the "villian". Hell if I woke up black tomorrow, I'd be anti white because it benefits me.
>>137387371>edgyhave you ever considered hes being honest?
>>137387229>slavYeah actually... that's actually exactly the kind of squatter I picture when I think about whites.
>>137387229People know but don't care. Hell one of the only 2 Thorfinn statues was destroyed because "he's white"
>>137387510Don't worry about it.Whites aren't really supporting Africa, china is.
>>137386884Surely Marvel writers wouldnt rape Mr. Parker.
>>137384932If Peter Parker stopped being Spider-Man and became Mr. Arachnid, he would still be Spider-Man, because Spider-Man is Peter Parker. If Miles Morales became Mr. Arachnid, no one would ever care about him again just like Ben Reilly and Kane. They need to call him Spider-Man like anyone actually considers him to be anything other than black Spider-Man (note that the Hispanic part is definitely not something people care about because America is obsessed with worshipping blacks)
>>137385599Quick question, If you didn't eat breakfast today how would you feel right now?
>>137387568>no breakfast readyI'd feel sad that my wife died
>>137387568I dont understand the question I did have breakfast today.
>>137384932Fuck this nigga, we could have had a million Static movies with all this pushing/shilling from the media. Marvel has young black characters too, like Night Thrasher. Instead we get Peter Darker.t. blackanon
>>137387660>Night TrasherSo you don't want black Spider-Man you want black Tony Stark
>>137384932Any ounce of animosity I have towards him is aversion to the concept of Spider-Man having a random legacy character. If he was just a side character I wouldn't care. He's whatever otherwise.
>>137387756He's not a "replacement" for Tony Stark, like RiRi was. You might as well call Blue Marvel a black Sentry.
>>137386485I don't think you've watched the same movie as everyone else you spastic retard.
>>137385055I absolutely have Spider fatigue. Multiverse shit is just so boring.
>>137386814Dick had decades to grow on people
>>137384932Ultimate Peter, who at one point outsold 616, was fridged, killed off for him to exist so that's gonna leave a bitter aftertasteSure Peter was resurrected but stillIf they had just done it like Peter himself mentors Miles before being benched for a while, there would be less backlash
>>137387808Child of a billionaire weapons manufacturer builds a suit to fight crime.
Miles works in the context of Peter being dead, as a true passing of the torch hero. When he's with Peter together it's so weird. They share the same powers, same antagonists, same location, same supporting cast, even the same name. It's weird and uneeded.
>>137387155When Ichimonji showed up out of nowhere after Hongo's actor broke his leg, they just said Hongo rescued him and now was traveling the world fighting Shocker elsewhere, then when Hongo came back they were Rider 1 and Rider 2
>>137386814Dick Grayson replacing Bruce Wayne as Batman is a devolution or derailment of his character, he became Nightwing to be his own man
>>137384932I think most normies don't like when a character passes on their mantle or if they get some copycat protégé. they could get away with it in the past but people are really nostalgic nowadays and don't like change. doesnt help that a lot of Miles' stories are been there done that with Peter.
>>137387073This Gwen is still fuckable
>>137384932>not liking a shit character makes you racistFuck off with that noise.
>>137386963Same
>>137384932ok but how does he fit that big ass fro in his mask???
>>137388036It's hair my guy. You never see a brother in a durag?
>>137387869Night thrasher wasn’t specifically created to replace a dead Tony anon
He’s a Spider-Man, but he’s not THE Spider-Man
>>137384972Plow Gwen, MJ, and Felicia. There's 3.>B-But he's only fucking Gwen!Give it 3-4 years, anon. You know I'm right.
>>137384932Make new Black Superheroes instead of blackwashing existing ones.It's that fucking simple.
>>137388091Neither was Miles, he was created as a concept in response to the election of Barack Obama.
>>137388276Yes but did the creator of night thrasher specifically kill Tony stark off like a bitch to introduce thrasher the next month?
>>137388302Tony was killed off like a bitch during that era, but was replaced by a younger version of himself. Like how the Tony A.I. was around for Riri
>>137384932I don't hate Miles. I can take him or leave him. If he never appeared again in any media I wouldn't give a fuck. If he stood for another 20 years wouldn't care either.
>>137385023>Even his triumph is defined by another characterYeah that's what I thought
>>137384932He’s a lame copy of a popular superhero and was created by Bendis. They also have to keep giving him new superpowers just to make him interesting which is a sign that people have no fucking clue what to do with the character
>>137388276If we created a Spider-Man with superficial similarities to Biden or Trump that would be utterly fucking retarded. Miles only had small amount of potential in his early stories.
>>137388349>Parker defined by Uncle BenDidn't really think that one through, did you?
>>137388351If any other character pulled powers out of their ass they used to get shit on for it, hell Superman used to be attacked for that even though he didn't, but with Miles it's suddenly cool to journalists
>>137384932NI-
>>137388276No he wasn’t he was created cause Bendis wanted royalties and he wanted to impress his adopted kids
>>137385023Spider-Gwen isn't Gwen Stacy
>>137388276Oh fuck off, Ult Pete wasn't even fully dead yet before they were parading out a replacement. Bendis was chomping at the bit for this shit. He was exactly created to replace his universe's Pete and it couldn't be any more obvious. If Marvel had any wherewithal about writing this shit they would have AND SHOULD HAVE done a full year long "WORLD WITHOUT A SPIDER-MAN" event to actually set him up. Maybe make him contest against potential other web head replacements and actually earn his place in his universe. Instead what we got was a void of personality and it took them a half year to do an origin story Stan and Ditko got in one issue. Of an anthology book.
>>137388380You're think of Gwenpool, who isn't Gwen Stacy. Spider-Gwen is Gwen Stacy
>>137388393>lt Pete wasn't even fully dead yet before they were parading out a replacement.Because he was created three years before in 2008 after the election of Barack Obama
>>137388396In name only. In terms of personality purpose and even design she's for all accounts a different character. And this is the problem with both characters. They think a name is enough.
>>137388413Oh. Okay. In the same way that Miles is different from Peter?
>>137386967Yes and because he's an editorial mandate he's only shoved into stories of other characters who are made worse by his presence or into the constant events which are now universally awful.Or that shitty team book which just reeked of shallow political whinging and catch-phrasesNo, any good story with miles in it is just that, a story which so happens to feature him not actually about him.
>>137384932He's literally just a palette swap of the real Spiderman. Why would I not just go read or watch him instead of Miles?
>>137387426You don't sound like the villain, you are the villain. You are a genuinely bad person if you hate people just because they are different.
>>137384932Writers have had over a decade to give us a good story, yet they can only rely on poaching parts of Peter’s legacy and having Miles moan about not being the main Spider-Man. In any other era, he’d have gotten a name change already that would’ve set him apart and made him useful as a unique facet of the Spider-Man lore, but because of the culture war artificially inflating his importance as BLACK Spider-Man, they don’t dare allow it to happen, which means that Miles is forever stuck at the starting line of his narrative. He’s doomed to be a battering ram against criticism for racism, a token for the “urban market” that Marvel can exploit while never really giving them anything.
>>137388840>In any other era, he’d have gotten a name change already that would’ve set him apart and made him useful as a unique facet of the Spider-Man lore, but because of the culture war artificially inflating his importance as BLACK Spider-ManYep, if the fucker had come about 30 years ago he'd already be called Black Widow or Widowmaker or some other highly venomous spider to play into the touch of death bullshit his venom sting is. He would've been moved somewhere else in the country like Florida or Georgia and maybe developed his own personality.
>>137387155What’s ironic is that his first appearance in Ultimate Spider-Man acknowledged this. He’s met by criticism from people who knew the memorialized Peter for just slapping a red & blue Spider-Man costume on and taking the mantle, to which Miles admits was short sighted and clumsy. He didn’t know what else to do besides take the name since he got the papers out of the blue, he did it as a tribute to the OG of his universe. But now comics act as if he’s somehow in the right for anointing himself Spider-Man without asking and being defensive any time someone brings up the fact that he basically took someone else’s entire image.
>>137384932Because he's not spider man. He's another virtue signal by wokism. The character has no point other than they aren't white. Peter Parker is spiderman, miles morales is not.
>>137388927>he'd already be called Black Widow Anon…
>>137385656didn't he also post one in /v/?
>>137388969Give him a GF that dies, he's already copied everything else about peterOr get rid of that awful fucking red and black color scheme because you will never separate it on a spider themed character from black widows.
>>137384932Has this character had a book that sold well since the Ultimate line crashed? Isn't publishing his book basically just a marketing expense at this point?
>>137384932He is "replacement Spiderman" instead of his own thing.I personally love Static Shock, who is a very similar character. But do you know what Static Shock isn't? Replacement anything. He is his own thing, with his own rogue's gallery, and even his own thematic purpose in the wider DC universe. He isn't just "well, we need a superhero for the urban market", he represents a genuine experience of urban crime and gang violence.Meanwhile, everything Miles is was either stolen from Parker or the product of someone who thinks music videos are a substitute for plot.
>>137387155>That's like if Superman was suddenly met with a Mexican guy who ALSO called himself Superman and dressed in a very similar way to him and acted very similar to him.Didn't that happen several times? You've got Reign of the Supermen obviously, but then you've got all the various Crisis Earths, and then you've got New Super-man on top of that. And each time Clark just goes "Happy to have an extra set of hands" until they turn out to be an evil clone.
>>137388840Excellent point. They wouldn't give him his own hero alias nowadays because they'd feel like their othering him or something. Why can't this Black kid be spiderman? it's simple really because there's already a fucking Spiderman. fucking scrappy doo.
>>137384949This. The comic version has a stupid convoluted story that essentially makes him a legacy character who was denied his mantle since he now lives in a world where the guy who passed the torch to him is still around.And the movie version has goofy eraserhead hair.
>>137387187>instead of being an active part of the storyWhat constitutes an active part of the story? Crime fighting while babysitting his sister? His dad and uncle mounting a rescue when he gets kidnapped by badguys?
>>137384932The shitty songs that play when he’s chilling.
>>137389047Most of the alt Supermen don't live on the same Earth as him and the one that do aren't simply called "Superman" tooeg Superboy, Steel, Eradicator, Cyborg Superman, "Super-Man of China" (if Kenan still uses that, last I know he went rogue from China's control)
>>137388393Unironically copying Death and Return of Superman would be smoother, but unavoidably funnyAlso Reign of the Spider-Men can be confused with Spider-Man Reign
>>137390087Also they did the clone saga in Ultimate already, but what's stopping them from doing a proper Ben Reilly and Kaine etcMiles would be the Steel except that in the end he gets rewarded by getting real spider powers
>>137384972Has a mother and father
>>137384932Affirmative Action Spiderman
>>137385033>264 replies
>>137390493His dad dies though.
>>137384972Being young
>>137385097Racism is bad, anon.
>>137385013This is a sfw board. cover up those titties.
>>137385216>My hero isn’t special anymore!Motherfucker, he stopped being special thirty years ago when he started having several clones running around.
>>137390764Humans trying to fuck each other up and over has lead to our greatest technological advances so I'd say it's pretty based.
>>137390787And everyone hated the Clone Saga. What's your point?
>>137390814People hated how they kept milking and extending it. Where as nobody hates Ben and Kaine, in fact a lot of people love those characters
>>137390884Plenty of people hated Ben at the time.
>>137384932>racismyes, and?
>>137390902And a lot of people likes him. Peter has not been special for decades, deal with it and cope. Arguing that your dislike of Miles is entirely justified over something as stupid as Peter being “special” is just fanboy brain rot.
>>137384932Don't even hate Miles. I just don't care about Miles and have no desire to ever give him a chance.
>>137390941yeah, well, fuck you man. friggin jerk.
>>137385023Ultimate Peter already kept Ultimate Gwen Stacy alive. Spider-Gwen is a completely different Gwen and is basically her universe's Spider-man. Miles directly killed his "Uncle Ben" though, so he got that over Peter who only indirectly killed Uncle Ben.
So is this Peter Parker and Miles thing just Tim Drake and Damian Wayne.Peter becomes gay just like Tim.
Miles is at his best when hes just a side character. He will never be on par with Peter
>>137390941I don't like Miles and I don't like the clones. There is 0 "rot" in my reasoning for not liking copycats stealing my hero's thunder. Saying I can't dislike a character for that reason is the real brain rot.
>>137388840Any other era and he would have shoved back to his own dimension in a year or killed off outright. Other characters in his position didn't get the fraction of the editorial push he does because they actually listened to what the people buying the books wanted. Now we're in an era where fans are the enemy, social media rules all and constant year after year of character assassination and stagnation. He will get to be in every video game show and whatever else and despite all his lack of any memorable anything still act like he's a break out success. And Gwen is even worse.
>>137385282He isn’t replacing Peter. His costume is good. Miles’ existence doesn’t ruin anything and he doesn’t do anything other white characters haven’t already done countless times. “it’s not new!” is not an argument or good critique why a specific character can’t exist or is bad when talking about superhero comics. If you don’t want to be called racist it’s easy to do so by making critique that isn’t racist. If you think people call you that then that tells more about your own bias. Your criticism is also dogshit and saying Static is original is hilarious when he’s just teen Black Lightning.
>>137391059>Your criticism is also dogshit and saying Static is original is hilarious when he’s just teen Black Lightning.He has no direct relationship to black lighting. They have similar powers but that's as far as it goes. You can have power overlap. You might as well say Thing is the same as the Hulk or everyone who flies is now just Superman. Static didn't call himself Black Lighting/Vulcan/Superbolt. He called himself Static, built up a new mythos of his own, and is a unique character.
>>137387371Kek someone's seething
>>137391008It is brain rot when your whining about things like Spider-man not being special anymore. It’s absolutely laughable butthurt fanboy rhetoric when in reality Spider-man stopped being special before you were even a sparkle in your daddy’s horny eyes.
With Miles around they can now rotate and take spidey shifts. stop being a slave driver. they should work in ben so they can have an 8 hour worker conscious "Spidey" shifts between the three of them. which will give ol pete the time he needs to make Mayday.
>>137391092>It is brain rot when your whining about things like Spider-man not being special anymore. INo it's not. Detracting from a character's unique by spreading around a bunch of copy cats doesn't just dilute the heroes it dilutes the whole damn brand. It's this bullshit that got us a dozen worthless symbiotes and any number of _____ The Hedgehogs. We read super heroes and adventure stories to read about unique and special characters. Not a band of characters all with different action figures in the same mold. >Spider-man stopped being special before you were even a sparkle in your daddy’s horny eyes.This problem might not have started with Miles but that doesn't mean it's not a problem. And if you had any iota of sense or care about the franchise beyond "JUST CONSUME" you'd realize how big an issue this is.
>>137391089The Thing and Hulk have nothing in common beyond being the muscle character. Both Static and Black Lightning are urban black heroes with electric powers created specifically to diversify and often deal with ”real” street level issues and are especially race conscious and political. The don’t use a similar name but their similarity is very broad.
>>137391092Listen to what I am saying: ALL COPYCATS SUCK!!!It doesn't matter if the copycat is from the 70s or the 00s. They suck! The only difference is the ones from the clone saga aren't getting a multimedia push and their own movies.
>>137391118New York is home to 80% of Marvel's heroes. You don't need another Spider-Man to fight crime. If Pete needs a break, he can tag in Dare Devil or Iron Fist.
>>137391121Superheroes have never been unique, they have always been derivative and rip offs and full of similar characters. And it’s been that way far longer than you’ve been alive. So your crying about genre staples and conventions is basically yelling at clouds level idiocy and being mad at the genre doing what the genre has always done. Might as well shit your pants over water being wet. And if you get upset because your character isn’t “special” anymore you’re a child. Grow the fuck up or leave.
>>137391124>The Thing and Hulk have nothing in common beyond being the muscle character.Yes. That was the point. Dumbass. > Both Static and Black Lightning are urban black heroes with electric powers created specifically to diversify and often deal with ”real” street level issues and are especially race conscious and political. So's fucking Rocket Racer.
>>137391204Except Rocket Racer doesn’t have iconic electric powers
>>137391145Your opinion sucks and you’re being a baby about it.
>MUH RAYCISSYou'd think a decade later milestards would come up with something resembling a new argument. Guess not.
>>137391199A hero being successful and inspiring inferior derivatives is not a counter-point to anything that has been said. If anything, it supports the other argument that the copies are rightfully mocked.Are you an actual Milesfag or something? No one should be this obtuse in understanding why people do not like their favorite hero's brand being stolen.>>137391243>he said, with a baby tier insult
>>137385097That's fine.
>>137391274You don’t own Spider-man. Your fandom of Spider-man does not give you some special status that allows your butthurt to be valid form of criticism. Nothing is being stolen from you. This is your own insecurities and narcissistic entitlement speaking and making you look like a fool.Having similar characters doesn’t make everyone else inferior. Your bias and dislike does not make them worse. Your “mockery” is just empty juvenile tantrum throwing because you can’t handle seeing characters having spin offs and build family out of similar characters, a long and widely loved tradition in comics. No matter how much you beat your chest and say you don’t like it is meaningless. That is one opinion outweighed by majority of people liking it. Your “criticism” is weak specifically because it comes from a place of anger and fanboy mind rot where you think you have ownership over these characters.
>>137391337LOL at all this seethe and projection. Where do I even begin?>you don't own the characterNever said I did. But I have every right as a consumer to critique it. You can't stop me and your juvenile chest-beating on an anonymous image board doesn't intimidate me in the slightest. I will continue to shit on Miles as a worthless character and there is nothing you can do about it but rage impotently.>Having similar characters doesn’t make everyone else inferiorIt does when they have no distinguishing characteristics that set them apart or if they cannot stand on their own, i.e. Miles.>build family out of similar characters, a long and widely loved tradition in comicsThe Batfam bloat is one of the most criticized things about modern Batman. Good try at the gaslighting though.>one opinion outweighed by majority of people liking itNo one likes Miles though. Not comic book fans at least. You're in the minority there, champ.>Your “criticism” is weak specifically because it comes from a place of anger and fanboy mind rotAu contraire mon frère, it comes from a place of love: my love of Peter Parker and not wanting to see his uniqueness as a character and hero be diluted by inferior copies.tldr: Miles sucks and you're being a baby about others not liking him.
>>137391337Not the same guy but this entire post reeks of seething lmaoYou seem genuinely butthurt at valid criticism of Miles as being a really bad token character and projecting it into who you are replying to. It's kinda pathetic
>>137385033kek
>>137391059>doesn't understand the points at all and rejects the ones he can't counter with MUH RACISMIdiot.
>>137391701Average day for a milescuck, yes.
>>137391470>I will continue to be a bitch and cryAnd your crying will continue to be meaningless temper tantrum throwing.
>>137391764I accept your concession that Miles is a shit character. Good talk.
>>137384932I don't hate him. I'm more confused about the shitty decision of bringing him to Earth 616 when he explicitly worked in the setting of Ultimate, because his entire story was following on Peter's footsteps. In 616 he's redundant, offers nothing beyond "black teen Spider-Man" and when he could actually fill in for Pete because he was disabled, they took that opportunity to completely destroy Ben Reilly's characterization and turn him into satanic not-Venom.
>>137391701>Can’t read and gets triggered by the word racist and gets immediately flustered and angryYou can’t make this shit up
>>137387474Why use an image Haiti after a hurricane? Was it really that hard to cherry pick an image of a third world country?
>>137391764Butthurt post.
Still waiting on those good stories, milescucks
>>137384932>Why is miles still rejected?Because he....a black
>>137384932>push a mediocre, boring character>people ignore him>push him so hard you actively shit on a beloved character to make Miles look good>people get pissed and tell you to fuck off with your Mary Sue, monkey-ass niggerOh, wow, how could this happen?!
>>137384932Because He's NOT spider-man and never will be
>>137392307He is Spider-man.
>>137391046They could make the best of both worlds and just relegate Miles and Gwen to being the multiverse travelers of the 616. Just toss them into a portal and have them go to different crazy dimensions like they’re Rick and Morty or Doctor Who. The movies have already made them synonymous with multiverse crap, just lean into it. That way they can be away from Peter and also have a unique spotlight.
>>137384980>hang Gwen StaceyHAHAHA
>>137392394Because we already had the Exiles and they were way better. Even had a Mig on the team for a bit.
>>137391059>Miles’ existence doesn’t ruin anythingPoochies ruin everything by existing
>>137384932They've shoved him down everyone's throats for a decade putting him in all kinds of comics, having characters metaphorically jack him off over being so awesome, gave him large roles in events, put him in video games, put him in movies and despite all that they forgot to give him a personality. They forgot to give him any kind of interesting characterization or motivation or stories or anything beyond "what if Peter... but BLACK?" banking on the idea that people would love the idea of Black Spider-Man and if they didn't then they could fall back on the racism excuse.Nobody had a problem with Prowler. Nobody had a problem with Sam except for when he's pushed away from being the Falcon and his own character. Nobody has had issue with Night Thrasher or Blue Marvel or Cardiac or Beetle or other black characters because those characters are actually interesting. Miles is not. He's like an overpushed babyface wrestler: bland and white meat with nothing for the crowd to like but goddamn is the booker going to keep putting him over until you cheer for him.
It's kinda baffling how some people go out of the way to defend a crappy gimmick character like Miles.
>>137392586Don't forget that Blade is damn near universally liked for his coolness, at least the Wesley Snipes version.
>>137392586Marvel has never had an issue with pushing black characters. T'chala and Rhodie were especially big.>>137392623Classic Blade is well liked.
>>137392718>says nothing
>>137384932
>>137384972Miles actually gets to be a kid having fun. This sometimes is more fun to watch than Peter's "damage controlling like a fucking madman all the time".Peter is under too much damn pressure. He gets corrupted by so much shit around him that it doesn't let the character breathe. This makes for great and memorable conflicts, but when he's constantly looking over his shoulder trying to make sure he doesn't kill someone, or thinking about what the Daily Bugle will think, or what Aunt May will think, or what Mary Jane will think... it's exhausting. That's where Miles is a bit better.Peter is just not allowed to fucking do anything without a huge butterfly effectIt makes him very restrictive as a character just like SupermanMiles can rescue a dog from a burning building and then fuck it. There's less people breathing down his neck to be perfect all the time and that adds a layer of escapism that's missing from Peter's stories.
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>>137384932Spiderman is coolMiles isn't
>>137384932Don't hate him, just tired of being told we have to love him.
>>137393065>I hear voices in my headTake your meds, anon
>>137393071How much does it pay to be a blind shill?
>>137384932>I copied your character but mine has more powers and is better and your character says how much better my character is than your character and your character's girlfriend is now my character's girlfriend and my character is the main character and...By Brian Michael Bendis - Age 7.
>>137390764It's okay when blacks do it tho
>>137384972He's relatively new compared to Pete, so he's not trapped in stagnation hell just yet. Look at where Pete is right now- cucked by a literally who random character, getting his name drug through the mud because the writers can't let him have positive character progression because he's Spider-Man. Stuff like Into the Spider-Verse shows that Miles isn't stuck running the treadmill yet, he can have stories that feel fresh. That's the main thing. They're also pretty different characters. Peter is kind of a conceited future-school-shooter-material asshole before he becomes Spider-Man and learns some hard lessons, Miles is sort of introverted nice dude to his core. They cover different bases.
>>137393188I like Miles, but if there's any one singular thing I don't like, it's Venom Sting. Spider-Man has a nearly perfect powerset to keep things exciting and Miles being able to touch a dude and have them keel over no matter who it is kinda ruins the whole package
>>137393214That's an issue with the writers over the character.Spider-Verse was the first good portayl of Miles as a character but its the writers that made it good by changing significant things about Miles.If the comics had the balls to do that then he'd be a great character in his own right rather than a potentially good character prone to ass-pulls because his writers are braindead.Quantum is a good villain though, Miles has that going for him.
>>137384932Honestly, Miles would do well if the Ultimate Universe wasn't destroyed. He could have been THE spider man of his universe instead of being spider person #564. Hell, that's what happened in the Spider verse movies and the twitter crowd loves that thing. I don't hate Miles, he is by far not the worst character to come out of the "all new all different" era of Marvel, in fact he's the least annoying so that probably means he's the best of them all. But the way people who don't read comics put him on a pedestal triggers a little bit of my sperg rage, Miles isn't the problem (you) are.
>>137385097It's a valid reason to dislike him. The character's ONLY reason for existing is to be "the black kid version of Spider-Man"No matter how hard they try with films and video games to give the character a purpose, that's all there is. They basically gave up on pushing Silk but Miles has too much potential social score associated with him to just drop.
>>137393214>Peter is kind of a conceited future-school-shooter-material asshole before he becomes Spider-ManPost a picture of your hands plz. I have a theory.
>>137393214>Peter is kind of a conceited future-school-shooter-material assholeWho originated this shitty take? The Spider-Gwen creator?
>>137393276the venom sting itself is not a bad idea, if recycled from Jessica.The problem is it being a I WIN button.also, wasn't Miles capable of becoming invisible?In general, him having a more "rogue-like" powerset than Peter, in exchange of weaker physical attributes\spider-sense, could work very well to differentiate them: Miles' time as Shadow-Spider was his absolute peak after all.>>137393418>>Honestly, Miles would do well if the Ultimate Universe wasn't destroyed. He could have been THE spider man of his universeAgreed. He could have been the Wally to Peter's Barry.I also believe he could have worked better in 616 if Marvel actually let Peter grow up again: Peter as Spider-Adult, Miles as Spider-Teen. Completely different story and character dynamics in play so Miles doesn't just end up repeating Peter's own steps>>137393524nah, it was already old by then.It originated as a (various degrees of) jok on early depictions of Peter where he could be quite the asshole vs him being often portrayed as the "bullied nerd" by popular culture\other media adatptations
>>137393496>They basically gave up on pushing SilkNot really, she even has an ongoing.Its gonna be a short ongoing but for Spider-Verse reasons she's pretty much gonna be the heroine going forwards.I've enjoyed everything she's had outside of Spider-Verse stuff but she is a pretty C-list heroine.
>>137393276This. If you're going to give him a full stealth arsenal his character and design needs to match that energy more than it does
>>137384932Think about it like this, if someone created an OC and said "He's like Spider-Man! But... but better! In fact, he not only has all of Peter Parker's powers, but he can do more! He can um... turn invisible... and umm.. he can shoot lightning!" then I think we would all turn our heads and say "sounds like a crappy fanfic"But let's take that all away, let's just take "Would people still like Miles without the extra powers." Well, probably, just keep him in the Ultimate universe. Having him with Peter in 616 doesn't make sense because it's asking for people to juggle the names and bring up questions that don't need to be asked. If he was kept in Earth-1610 then we can say "Oh, that's Ultimate Spider-Man. He's cool in his own right."
>>137393276The invisibility is bullshit too. And whilst I don't keep up I've heard anons say he can make lightning swords like that stupid episode of the flash. None of it fits or makes for an exciting character.
>>137393636This is probably the biggest problem with Silk, she's always bound to Spider-Verse stuff which is overexposed to the extreme in the comics. If she was allowed to just be away from that she could probably find a place for herself.
>>137393777How does it not fit exactly? So he can’t be different from Peter but also it’s bad that he’s similar to Peter?
>>137393775The issue with the VB is that its an "I win" button.The extra powers are a balancing act since Miles isn't as smart as Peter, he is clever but not a genius.Peter had to be strong and smart to win against his rogues, gadgets and powers are what gave him an edge. Miles would've gotten ripped apart had he tried going against the weaker rogues without the VB and invisibility.Not to bead a dead horse but Miles doesn't even make the web fluid, Peter gave him the recipie but Miles failed making it a few times and Ganke took over.His invisibility isn't that strong either, you can still see him if you focus on the area he is.
>>137393800Go read a few of her solo runs.She found her niche, she's C-list through and through but she has a nice place to sit and her minis are comfy.
>>137393524It's true? "future mass shooter" is an exaggeration but Pete is a bullied, angry-at-the-world nerd before he gets powers and after he gets them he doesn't give a shit about helping anybody. Uncle Ben has to die for him to learn this lesson it's his literal origin story. Pete being kind of a dick at first is a fundamental aspect of spider-man.
>>137388349>Ask what X does better than Y>Lol ur defining X by Ypathetic
>>137394408How did you even get this information on some random 4chan troll?
>>137387814I'm going to remind you that miles existed...BEFORE the movie.I know its pretty easy to forget.Movie Miles is probably the best take of the character, hey look at that, it only took 10 years
Peter Parker IS the spiderman we all know and love, seeing knock off man is jarring and cheapens the original hero (hurrr there's a million spider people out there! ain't that cool?!?"
>>137394664>We know and loveHumans aren't a hive mind.
>>137394664it's like if there were different versions of Static Shock, like what the fuck is the point? doesn't look like the character people already knew/fuck this
>>137384932His movies came at a time were the people pushing diversity did it in a racist, overbearing and condescending way that made people recoil at any diversity cast, good or bad. As a further example, do you think if miles was white latino the chinese poster about miles-wu kong would be demonised for racism or celebrated because goku? Enjoy the world you created.
>>137384932He’s not funny lack charisma.
>>137384932If you keep demanding people like something, and insult them if they don't, they're gonna hate that something and you.
>>137384932Because they push him as Peter’s equal instead of his sidekick
>>137390902People hated Ben when they made him the original and had him take over as Spider-Man, kind of like what they've done with Miles. Except at least Ben had a good dynamic with Peter
>>137384985>Cause he’s blackThat’s the Asian market’s reason for why they don’t like him.
>>137392934Marvel Adventures Spidey does this just fine. And pre-OMD Spidey had plenty of this as well.
>>137384985i'm so sick of characters being turned black
>>137393819So even with the extra powers, he still sucks ass. Wow.
https://youtu.be/2GEfr3RJROII guess Ganke ain't fat anymore
>>137395622How do you know he's making these posts?
>>137385160>I haven't read a spider-man comic since elementary school. I think Miles works in Spider-verse cause even if his personality isn't all that different it's enough to make him want to not just be Peter (unique themes for the SV movies) and also it's better to have a different character for the series that's explicitly about multiverse stuff so Peter can still be "normal" spider-man in audiences mindsIt works because he surrounded by actual characters instead of a bootstrapped forced diversity hire that no one would care about if peter wasn't there. Neither Miles nor Gwen spiderman work without peter being around and sales always reflect this.
>>137395637seriously how long are they gonna milk the pointing meme thing, like the only good thing lord and miller are good at is being meta, yet they're cliche as hell with this
>>137395637>"hello Spider-Man">Gwen says hiWhat did they mean by this
>>137385097>frogniggerThat said, I don't think that's a bad reason.
>>137384949Not true, his hair looks not bad
>>137384932You can't force people to like a character.
>>137384972Electricity punch is kinda cool
>>137393809Copy and paste plus even more powers is derivative and childish. Look at 2099 as a comparison to Peter, he can climb pretty much anything but needs to use his claws to do it, he has web shooters but they're organic, he doesn't have a spider sense but has enhanced vision and hearing instead. He actually has venom, but he needs to bite people to use it. You see the differences? Not just Peter's powers exact powers and experiment plus whatever else to make him better.
>>137396478No, it’s the same thing and you’re just making up things to be mad about.
>>137384932What is a valid reason to hate and reject a character?
>>137396440It’s quite possibly the worst thing about him other than his unoriginality
>>137396504Oh okay, you're just trolling then.
>>137396629I accept your defeat.
>>137384932>check that>most tards think they just meant movie miles and that you are a wacist if you don't like crap moraleslmao, not even his own fans care about his comics
>>137393775what i don't understand is people that want miles to still use the spider-man name and not get his own like with any other character people would want them to be different and to have their own name to show that they have grown but with miles they just want him stuck with a name that he didn't even came up withit like wanting the robins to stay as robins forever and ever
You know how it is frowned upon to try to make someone like you, much less love you, especially if you keep at it annoyingly? How come this wisdom isn't applied to fictional characters as well?
>>137396730From Robin Annual #4.
>bait thread>/co/ takes itYou're all morons
>>137384932my dislike of the character stems from the creator. Brian "I grew up as a Jew in America, so i understand what its like to be Black" Bendis can go fuck himself. Miles has developed into a much better character under the pens of much better writers. but, for me at least, i just see Bendis when i see Miles, and Bendis i avoid like the plague.
>>137384932Going to add my 2 cents. I genuinely think it has less to do with racism and more about familiarity. People like what they are familiar with, and people associate Spiderman with Peter Parker. People also associate captain America with Steve Rogers, green lantern with Hal jordan etc, who have always been white. Now, being completely honest, I love characters like Blade, Static Shock, Spawn and Cyborg, who have always been black. I can't imagine these characters being replaced by someone else, especially someone who doesn't look like them. This is a very simple principle that's really not problematic at all, but for some reason people try to make it so.
>>137384932He is just such a pointless and annoying character I hate all spider-men shit it should only be peter and maybe his clones
>>137396935How are any of these characters replaced? Where did Steve disappear? When did Hal Jordan go away? Last I checked Peter Parker has multiple comics coming out regularly. How have these characters been replaced? I don’t see it anywhere.
>>137384932I don't mind Miles. I don't mind any color or gender (m/f, not this lgbtq garbage) character if it's done organically. Miles was a build up and organically led him to where he was. Amadeus Cho randomly becoming the Hulk for a while was forced and not at all organic as an example from the other end. I think Miles is fine.
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>>137397013>Amadeus Cho randomly becoming the Hulk for a while was forced and not at all organicHow was it forced? Rick Jones was a Hulk in the past.
>>137397013The issue is bringing him into 616 instead of just leaving his ass in 1610. He doesn’t work with an active Spidey in his prime. Neither does he work as a Robin-type sidekick. He’s too lame for that.
>>137397026Why did you talk about replacement if you don’t actually mean replacement?John Stewart as GL is way more familiar than Hal to an entire generation of people. So why do you insist nobody can think of GL as anything but familiar white man?
>>137397061He works just fine.
>>137385078Chuds browse some combo of /pol/, /tv/, /v/, /his/ and /gif/.
>>137397061Maybe Ultimate Invasion will place him back in 1610.
>>137384932YOU KNOW WHAT I JUST REALISED, across the spiderverse is doing the same story as No Way Home. 2099 Spider-man says to Miles we cant save everyone, some people have to die, with hint that miiles may have to pick the world or Gwen.That's literally the same as No Way Home about choosing to save these villains or to kill them and save the world, except NWH goal is more noble cos it's not milking Gwen's falling death
>>137397035I dont recall any story leading to Cho becoming Hulk. They just renumbered the book and he was Hulk. Jane Foster became Thor and it has a reason, there was a story there that slowly got her to that point. That's what I mean. Making Hulk Asian for the sake of being Asian is, to me, more insulting to Asians than just not having an Asian character. They do this with Black Super Heroes. The Falcon is a great character. Yet, they feel he needs to be Captain America to give him the spotlight. Why? How about you push him as the Falcon and give him his time in the lime light? Or Luke Cage, or Blade, and so on. Luke Cage has a huge following, still don't get why Marvel doesn't use him more.
>>137396935it is weird and worrying that people don't understand that, i wonder when did go so bad
>>137397013miles could be fine if he was alone, but he is in an universe where you have a peter parker in his prime so he is pretty pointlesslet's not even mention other spider people like gwen, silk, kaine, etc because that makes shit worse
>>137397119what? miles stea- i mean "referencing" other stories that only involve peter? no way....
>>137384932Peter Parker is Spiderman, giving the name to another character, black, white, or otherwise, is going to upset the fans. Just make a new character and let him be that.
>>137385216The existence of a multiverse immediately makes everything in a story completely meaningless and weightless. It is just the worst story device that's been played out since season 1 of rick and morty.
>>137384932Literally no one likes this character, very obviously not even people who "defend" him because no one tells about a character they lole that way
>>137397162But they didn’t make Hulk Asian. Cho got exposed with gamma radiation and turned into another Hulk. Bruce Banner did not stop to exist. Why can’t Falcon be Captain America? There’s been multiple people who’ve held the mantle. Sam isn’t even the first sidekick to become Captain America. Why isn’t it insulting to white people when they take the mantle of a pre-existing character? Why do you always just say this about people who aren’t white? And Luke Cage, Blade, etc. are getting a lot of use and push by Marvel regularly, wtf are you talking about. You’re just making up shit now.
>>137396935I has nothing to do with what you said but Blade has a daughter now and I actually like her book.Only four issues in but so far I like it.Nobody has been called a suckhead yet though, which is dissapointing.
>>137397162Cho became a Hulk but that lasted all of a year before he got another codename and started calling himself Brawn.Which is good because it lets him be his own character again.
Spider-Verse is a blaxploitation film.
>>137384932>Why is miles still rejected?He is a NU Disney productMiles can't have hot girlfriendsCan't have sexy heroines like Peter has Black CatMiles' "girlfriend" is a trannie version of GwenHe has no interesting friends for the general public>Miles has all the formula of how not to make a superhero Once again super hero is a genre made for boys if you take away the key elements it will be a failureNo villain galleryMiles is a poorly finished product like Kamala Khan
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>>137384932He isn't Spider Man. Never will be. Peter Parker is Spider Man.The whole tagalong Spider group shit is like the Bat Family bullshit all over again, can't stand it
>>137388242He's not blackwashed though.
>>137384949His head looks like a microphone.
>>137397073John Stewart is lame AF. He got an entire planet killed because he's a fucktard and uses his ring to read a newspaper because that's exactly how exciting and creative he isn't. Kyle is the man for cool looking constructs, Guy for edgelords, and Hal to be the mother fucking boss who will save the universe with a big green boxing glove.
>>137398972Jessica is there for eyecandy.
>>137399013See. Even Jessica is better than John Stewart.
>>137385037It's a shame that Marvel didn't take advantage of their crisis event to retcon Miles to be closer to his superior movie version.
>>137399013And people appreciate eye candy.
>>137384932Why do Mexicans reject blue beetle? Why do Muslims reject Kamala khan.
>>137398972And the point of this diatribe was?
>>137399179Nobody thinks of John Stewart as green lantern, they think of him as shit green lantern. Nobody likes shit characters.
>>137399559Wrong
