what happened? does she just have very VERY bad luck?
>>133128556Her idea of a girl show is something toyetic and made exclusively for girls (like the My Little Ponies and Strawberry Shortcakes she grew up watching) but just a little less focus-grouped and more artist driven. Problem is her stuff isn’t generic enough for the toy companies, and the cartoon studios want shows with female protagonists that appeal more to everyone rather than being extremely girl centric.It seems like she finally got the memo with her last Netflix project which seemed a bit more gender neutral but that was a victim of the same purge that killed a lot of stuff
>>133128556She was so cute
UNCANCEL TOIL AND TROUBLE
Normal people just don't want what she's pushing
>>133128556She’s been riding McCraken’s coattails her whole career. She’s not good at soloing or creating OC. The horses were a sheer stroke of luck.
She makes fun shows for kids that aren't the same fucking premise over and over. Maybe if she made a cartoon about a teenage human lesbian in another world her stuff would get picked up.
>>133128741she was kicked out of it after the first season I believe
I think she's just hard to work with. She has gotten pushed out of multiple studios and had multiple projects canned, even at studios like Netflix which-- at one point-- would greenlight anything and give the artist full control.
>>133128782I think her whole problem is pitching shows "for girls", in this modern world no one wants that anymore, companies want shows anyone can enjoy without falling into a specific tag or else you are alienating people based on genders, etc.
>>133128814If that's the case, then why do most cartoons nowadays star a female lead?
>>133128613>stuff isn’t generic enough for the toy companiesNo, the problem is her character designs are varied and can be used for cheap lazy remolds. >and the cartoon studios want shows with female protagonists that appeal more to everyone rather than being extremely girl centricShe is a staunch anti-romance so I disagree. Her shows a very much like PPG and appeals to everyone. >her last Netflix project She deserve it for abandoning DCSHG too soon. >>133128741Fucking BS.She worked as an animator for full feature animation movies inculding fucking Iron Giant. She has more great shows and wroks under her belt than Craig. >>133128642>tfw hate CGIshit but still find it very appealing Damn she is talented! Maybe she can save NuPixar...
>>133128833because they have female leads without falling into the pink doll aisle at the toy store.
>>133128778She stayed for three seasons and didn't like the direction Hasbro was pushing so she left. >>133128814>he doesn't know about how almost all MGA fashion dolls now have cartoon
At this point I have better odds of getting my own original project greenlit as a show for girls, and I'm a fat man that cannot draw
>>133128872>he doesn't know about how almost all MGA fashion dolls now have cartoonyeah but this is the other way around, fashion dolls are createad and then the company pays a studio to make a cartoon to sell their toy. meanwhile faust tries to pitch her cartoon to a company that wants views and don't care that much about toys, for them toys are just a way to promote even more the cartoon.
>>133128556Girls are obsessed with shit like attack on titan and chainsaw man. Unironically she has an antiquated and backwards view of what female audience wants
>>133128556What she doesnt know is that is pretty typical for pitching cartoons. You either got to say exactly what they want to hear and be able to spread your ass or suck some major dick.That's Butchman's secret.
>>133128814>companies want shows anyone can enjoy without falling into a specific tag or else you are alienating people based on genders, etc.Then they're going to be disappointed.Demographics exist for a reason, trying to make something that appeals to everyone is just going to result in a bland and boring show.
>>133129161welcome to the netflix era, prepare to be disappointed.
>>133128925You just said only unisex shows can exist. You can't do b..but!>for them toys are just a way to promote even more the cartoonWrong! Due to piracy shows and movies on their own even make less money, licensing merch is the great way to profit from them. This is why Faust was able to make MLP and DCSHG cartoons. >>133129012>Girls are obsessed with shit like attack on titan and chainsaw man>girlsYou mean teen girls. Liitle girls don't watch thos kind of shows and AoT hype died a long ago.
>>133129161>Demographics exist for a reasonThat why manga and anime succeed. However the claim there are no shows market for little girls anymore is fucking stupid.
>>133129172>Due to piracy shows and movies on their own even make less money, licensing merch is the great way to profit from them. This is why Faust was able to make MLP and DCSHG cartoons.yes but no. faust did NOT create MLP, she was hired by a company called hasbro to make a reboot of their property and make money for the company in the shape of toys, hasbro is not a cartoon studio, they just want to sell toys.
>>133129216>yes but no>Said that there's no place for girl cartoons>Proved wrong>Said companies don't care about toys>Proved wrong>b..butAnon you're just talking out of your ass, it's pathetic at this point. Netflix tried quite few times and still try to earn money from toys. Even Stranger Things and Squid Game gotones depite not being classic toy brand for kids.
>>133129268jesus christ your mental gimnastics
>>133129275Literally you nigger.
>>133129189Actually, anime and manga succeed because they don't give a shit who buys their products. If a shounen is popular with the seinen crowd, do you know what the publisher does? Nothing. They don't cancel, they don't change where the series is published, they do nothing. "Oh good, people are buying our magazine" is the only response you hear. Meanwhile, in the west, if something is popular outside the intended demographic, the execs lose their mind and cancel or put the show in a zombie timeslot.The East uses demographics to organize magazines, not to pigeonhole ideas. The Japs don't fucking care who buys, so long as people buy.
>>133129376fucking shit japs, they don't like selling manga outside of japan and will shit on translation teams who try to fucking let other people enjoy things, I'm fucking pissed.
>>133129376It doesn't contradict. The point stand still.Something that is made in the certain demographic genre will be made to appeal to that specific demographic! The West doesn't stick to that very often as they used to, any by trying to appeal to evryone they ended appealing to no one.
>>133129012>Unironically she has an antiquated and backwards view of what female audience wantsShe's thinking of girls 4-12, not teens who get into shounen and write thousands of fanfics about the male characters they're attracted to.
>>133129709she just don't get it.
I think Faust simply is more unbending to her shows on what the execs want changed (I can sort of imply this when her original concept art is almost never changed for the final product) She's uncompromising in her vision and she cannot go Primal because she doesn't exactly want to make adult stuff in mind, she wants to make shows that appeal to young girls, something I'm pretty sure she wanted to watch when she was at that age.
There's no big secret. Her pitches just aren't very interesting.
>>133129846Medus was interesting, I bet in some years Disney will come out with their own Medusa version
Too uncompromising. And her insistence to always have a designated "annoying loser/little brother" character is pretty off-putting.
>>133128556industryfag here, there are probably reasons her projects are always killed that are due to sexism or whatever but she can also be a nightmare to work with. she was regularly screaming at people on the show at netflix. you just can't treat pepple like that, unless you're James Cameron or something.
I always thought Brianne was better than Faust
I always got the impression she was sexist towards men.
Faust is "difficult to work with" simply because she refuses to produce garbage shows or work with garbage people who wants to produce the same old crap already seen thousands of times.So of course a person who rocks the boat and who refuses to settle for garbage is not going to be appreciated neither by potential bosses who only want a cheap and profitable show or by crappy workmates who only want an easy job with little or zero effort.And then there's the fact that Faust always creates characters with unique body types so toy companies cannot just recycle old molds and pass the crapy toy as the same character seen on tv.
>>133128642she would've been a dyke.
>>133130223Kind of this."If you keep running into assholes, you're probably the asshole."
>>133128556Is the entertainment industry ever going to give up on pursuing the mythical female market?
>>133128556Don't pitch a show for girls pitch a show that can appeal to girls.
>>133129376Also, American products are made to condition and categorize people.
>>133130223>>133130249Did you watch her cartoons? She treat male characters with respect. You can easily see that in DCSHG where she could dismiss the boy team as less good than the girls, but she didn't.
>>133128556Metal health will drive you mad?
>>133128556she should just give up and pitch for boys
>>133130342She literally has never had the same job while working at the same studio as her husband.
>>133130358>this>What is the entire MLP design ethosAlso if Faust is such a perfectionist she needs to git gud and get her own funding. If Richard Williams couldn't, I doubt she will.
>>133130369excuse me but boys are dumb and they smell
>>133130429>>What is the entire MLP design ethosThere were actaully different looking ponies in terms of shape and not just colors.
>>133128556In the case of Toil & Trouble, yes. She was one of the first casualties caught up on the atomic fallout that was the nuke that Netflix dropped on their animated department. Only roaches survived (that show starring that trannie).
>>133130500Hahaha, you're soooo funny, anon
>>133130393McCracken stays for the entire run of the show to start.
>>133130342>says she does all the same work as his husband>also says she can't get any job in the industry because patriarchywtf?
>>133130500Ask me how I know you are ugly and virgin
>>133130654PPG is a boy's show the same way Totally Spies and MLAATR was.
The horse show was a show meant for girls but it also became crazy popular among boys and grown ass men.Imagine what could Faust achieve if she were given free reign to do what she wants with a tv show.
>>133130469Yes but the designs were very simple intentionally. There were working pony generators with all the ripped assets already created by season 2 that covered millions of of configurations with like 10 non-mane/tail shapes.
>>133130041>Faust keeps making shows and getting kicked off them>Brianne never gets to make a show at all despite always wanting toTragic.
>>133130228>or work with garbage people who wants to produce the same old crap already seen thousands of timesThat's her entire schtick.
>>133130948Faust commented that she had to push really hard to be allowed to introduce unique body shapes: more precisely, tall, lanky, short, fat and weird looking horse bodies and on top of that she also had to push really hard to be allowed to introduce males, as Hasbro wanted a series with nothing but female characters and she refused to follow that idea.
>>133130948>Yes butAnd everything you said afterwards doesn't matter. Intial claim was that she did make only sameface/samebody character designs for MLP toys which she didn't.>b..but muh simple It's cartoon, not comic. Simple character designs are good for animation.
>>133131002didsn't she make the Amethyst shorts?
>>133131059>Nooo she doesn't make simple easy merchandise designs>The simple easy merchandise franchise doesn't count noooLmao
Medusa is kind of dificult to adapt since the plot is mostly rape everywhere .but I mean, which greek mytho is not based on rape?
>>133131085A couple years ago I got to see the show bible and show pitch she made for the horse show and her designs were anything but simple, especially the ones she made for buildings, iconic locations and an eldery mare who was redesigned and simplified for the final product.The horses themselves were simple looking but in reallity had a ton of articulation points, very specific movement ranges and some very complex animation cycles that drove the animators crazy because they just wanted to use cheap and crappy walking cycles and full human poses.Well, that's exactly what happened after she left, though.
>>133131178>Medusa is kind of dificult to adapt since the plot is mostly rape everywhereDisney adapted Hercules despite Herc himself being the product of Zeus raping his mother.
>>133131085Nigger he was talking about being easy to reuse and having one mold.>Faust always creates characters with unique body types so toy companies cannot just recycle old molds and pass the crapy toy as the same character seen on tvEat shit
>>133131224exactly my point, but at least hercules didn't get raped, but medusa did.
>>133129998>>133129846These. She's basically pitching the exact same thing every time, but with a new layer of paint.
>>133131085>Nooo, I sucked a million cocks(You)
>>133130261It's not that they are "pursuing" the market, they're trying to create the market. Even if the demographic they're catering to is low in numbers or doesn't exist, they think if they make the demographic look huge and marketable it'll attract the real thing.
>>133131258Hercules also fucked men, his satyr trainer and even had inbbreeding sex with his own nephey, on top of murdering his wife and kids after Hera fucked up with his mind, which was why he had to go through his famous Tasks to expiate his crime.
>>133131401but no one raped hercules, no dick was strong enough
>>133131178Yeah but there literally is a cartoon starring Cleopatra and she's known as history's greatest whore.
>>133131425being a whore is not the same as rape, hell! the most important women were whores
>>133130261The fact of the matter is they are trying to create it themselves to project ubiquity of girls watching cartoons. Kind of like how Americans think America is 40% black when in reality it's only around 13-15% because of how much the media frames it as such.
>>133131453>most important women were whoresNo?
>>133131458no one knows who is that, they don't even take care of her fucking statue
>>133131467Her importance is not predicated on your personal knowledge.
>>133131482oh, then she's some woman from some random third world country who fought in a battle and saved the crops or something, that's cool, I respect whatever shithole you come from.
>>133129012She wanted FiM to have a more action/adventure slant to it. I'm personally glad it didn't.
>>133130504>that show starring that trannieBig Mouth?
>>133128642wow, this design is pretty rad. Is Medusa DOA?
>>133130504>Only roaches survivedI wouldn't consider things like Inside Job or Bee and Puppycat "roaches" though.
>>133128833>If that's the case, then why do most cartoons nowadays star a female lead?Majority of them have male characters for a "boy-entry" point.
>>133131902I would definitely consider Bee and Puppycat a roach.
>>133131902>bee and puppycatanon you have absolute shit taste, I'm being serious.
just show the execs Hugtto! Precure or that other magical girl anime with the sick ass fightsone of them had 4-5 girls fighting a big monsterno it is not madokait's a kids show for children
>>133131939>>133131955>hating experimental, yet chill shows with actual traditional animationNot like I expected much from '/v/ for comic/cartoons' nowadays.
>>133131959What is the signific of pink hair in anime?
>>133131994I guess being boring and shitty could be considered an experiment.
>>133131959Or we just let the animators who can actually do the fight scenes make what they want. Like how fucking hard is it to let those poor bastards lead a project for once?
>>133132010>not flashy and toyetic enough!!!!sad
>>133128872>MGAMonster Girl Academia?
>>133132082magical girl asshole
>>133132060Yes, it's very boring.Sorry m8, if you want me to watch your boring as shit cartoon you'd better have some damn impressive animation to back it up, and Bee and Puppycat does not have that.
>>133132124>damn impressive animation to back it up,judging by your liking flash crap, I'm guessing your standards for ""impressive"" animation are really low to begin with.
>>133132007pink make the bink
>>133132141>You're both awesome, Lauren! >I'm only 80% awesome, apparently.
>>133129709>make show for preteen female demo >is watched by male college students >import a show for the 18-26 male demo from nipland >watched by preteen girls Has anyone actually broken down the numbers to see if kids even watch cartoons anymore. Is Nielsen just being lied to (or lying by curating the dataset they extrapolate)? It boggles the mind that zoomzooms and gen-alpha allegedly watch 16 hours of teen titans go a day with the viewership necessary to carry a cable network. The entire viewerships of le hekkin owl house and other tumblr fanfic shit has to be 40 year old women, troons, and porn artists. Kids these days have parasocial relationships to maintain with twitch subs, are we supposed to think they're watching daytime television or even streaming anything?
>>133129376>Meanwhile, in the west, if something is popular outside the intended demographic, the execs lose their mind and cancel or put the show in a zombie timeslot.I'd like to know where your source is that execs do this based on the unintended demographic rhetoric. Pony show became hugely popular among a very unintended audience and it was just fine. It's more likely that the unintended demographic is not nearly as profitable as you might think. A bunch of 20-30 year old males who mostly pirate the show and commission fan art anyway may not be the cash cow you think they are (at least in comparison to the intended market).
>>133128841>staunch anti-romanceShe belongs in the trash then.
Why hasn't she tried the big three? Or go to Canada or Europe?
>>133128556Her bad luck is exacerbated by her leaving every single project she’s worked on without seeing it through to the end.
>>133128642She's making me rock hard
>>133130369Given some of the threads on /co, it seems that the boys "pitch" for her. I'm talking about tentsWith their dicks
>>133131902>>133131939Bee and puppycat was finished years ago but they didn’t release it until recently for some reason. The entire show was leaked here in a mega file
>>133132463It was finished and then redone for netflix in a different style.
>>133130235Internet would've made porn of her getting dicked all the same..
>>133128642not wonder why poseidon raped her
>>133132491No that was leaked too. Not that it matters, it’s out now
Why is she extremely successful at making toy commercials but is never given permission to make literally anything else?
>>133131467>>133131499Æthelflæd, Ruled Mercia, a kingdom in Britain after the roman occupation.
>>133129376>The East uses demographics to organize magazines, not to pigeonhole ideasDisagreeing on this part. While demographic overlap is a fact different groups are attracted to different aspects of series. Boys love deep combat systems, intense fights, intricate tools, and cool rouges galleries. Which is why Avatar and Ben 10 were/are popular with both boys and girls but things like netflix She-ra/voltron and steven universe (which had the relationship aspect girls liked but lacked thrilling combat) never gained traction with boys.You need certain ideas for the "boy" formula to work
>>133130032>she was regularly screaming at people on the show at netflix.Out of curiosity, what sorts of things did she supposedly lose her shit over?
>>133131959>precure>it's a kids show for childrensenpai, apply yourself.
>>133130574Except for PPG but that's literally because CN wanted him to do a second series.
>>133130228Sounds like John K.You can be a perfectionist without being a dick. Lauren choose the "dick" route ironically enough, which is why not a lot of people enjoy working with her.
>>133133073And even when he left Savino in charge, McCracken still helped out with stories for episodes.
>>133129709>>133129172Most girls start watching anime at 8 - 12 not 13 or teens. It just continues into their teens. That makes her demographic the very small demographic of 1 - 8, but then that puts her in competition with shit like miraculous ladybug and even bluey, because generally kids start watching something under the teen demo age and they keep watching it until the show is over. Also in regards to the one anon. It's boku no hero, hunter x hunter, thats big with the girls right now (among other things but I'm an oldfag so hell if I know), there's usually more but anon was on the right track with AOT. It's just an older example, because anon is probably an older person who doesn't keep up with what's hip with the kids.
>>133129376Tell me you haven't heard the stories involving mangakas vs editors without telling me you haven't heard the stories involving mangakas vs editorsThat said, your reasoning is right.These showrunners and larger online cartoon communities have become so obsessed with not talking down to kids that they've consistently failed to remember why we did to begin with.Kids are simple. Stuff like Batman isn't about deeper trauma or character study to the 8 year old boy. The 8 year old boy is satisfied as long as someone is punched in the face
>>133130853FiM was lightning in a bottle, no way a show like that would explode in popularity again. The early 2010s internet ecosystem was just fundamentally different and the novelty factor has disappeared. Like, what other shows aimed at young children even have adult fandoms since then, Bleuy? And that's still very niche in comparison, and half those adults are just parents watching it with their kids.
>>133128556Faust is incapable of making a main cast that aren't just the main cast from MLP. You can see this most clearly in DC Superhero Girls
>>133133335The last show to really get popular like that from the internet was Rick and Morty in 2014.
>>133133422I was excited about medusa because I thought she was gonna change the formula for once but then I realized the snake hair had exactly those same personalities.
>>133128556Her one problem is focusing on a girl only audience, she needs to focus on family shows with a pretty girl as a lead, girls like that, boys like to watch at pretty girls and moms don't mind as long as it isn't egregiously badThat's where the money is
>>133133452By "show like that" I meant a show that's primarily aimed at young kids (elementary/pre-k level) which is the demographic Faust is presumably aiming at. That's not happening again, every other cartoon that's gotten a big fandom since then is either aimed at a slightly older preteen/teen audience (something like Steven Universe) or straight up an adult show (Rick and Morty). And if you look at popular shows aimed at a primarily female demographic like Steven Universe or the Owl House, the significant majority of the fandom is, well, female. Having the huge male crossover appeal, ironic or not, just isn't happening to nearly the same scale. I think the people that would've been bronies these days just watch anime instead.
>>133133452The viewership number of rick and morty is surprising very average. Internet popularity doesn’t equate to equal viewership, though merch sales are probably very high and profitable
>>133133335>Like, what other shows aimed at young girls even have adult fandoms since thenDC SHGs and she dipped on it for the retarded netflix thing. Faust seems cursed with the monkeys paw of making shows that have mass market appeal in opposition to her intent to make something for a nonexistant tween girl audience of 30 years ago.
>>133128556>surname is Faust>gets famous and successful>but then keeps getting failure after failure>also, firstborn is possibly deadI wonder...
>>133128613>cartoon studios want shows with female protagonists that appeal more to everyoneWasn't there a bunch of boy cartoons that were canceled because they appealed to girls too much.
>>133129012Kinda agree. But I feel like it's not so much that she is disconected from what the little girl demographic wants as much as it's she just wanting to do something different at the expences of the audience and the "networks/producers" who expect that Lauren give them the next MLP. She probably undermines herself by trying NOT to be a One Trick Pony.
>>133128814Kinda agree. But I feel like it's not so much that she is disconected from what the little girl demographic wants as much as it's she just wanting to do something different at the expences of the audience and the "networks/producers" who expect that Lauren give them the next MLP. She probably undermines herself by trying NOT to be a One Trick Pony.
>>133133320This isn't about editors vs mangakas, this is publishers vs creators.
>>133131959Reminder that canonically 3 main characters had contact with that girl's cooch in some way or another. And that another girl was cucked by a baby.
Also another thing I don't get; at the height of horse show's popularity (2012-13~) she could have crowdfunded literally anything and gotten the budget to make it. Why did she not tap into that moment more? Why is she so insistent on going through the old executives?
>>133135898>Reminder that canonically 3 main characters had contact with that girl's cooch in some way or another. Evangelion's about as horny as th>And that another girl was cucked by a baby.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr69_IFhCDE
>>133136134Maybe she's too used to it.
>>133129161>just going to result in a bland and boring showYou must be a child still. People watch tv, more like comfort food, than like experimental indie art pieces.What's bland and boring to you, is a welcome escape into safe and predictable comfort for the majority.You'll bitch and moan about Big Bang Theory being trash, but it only stopped because one of the actors was tired of making it, not because the audience was a ghost town. Then they just made a BBT prequel show, which is still going.People aren't searching for everything to be novel and unique. People want a little novelty, but mostly want predictable, repeatable, comfortable, and safe.
>>133130342If this was true, then they should be firing all the men and then the CEO. That's a company that's wasting 20% more than it should be. Think about the profits.I know that the wage gap isn't real. I understand statistics. I was just mocking her logic.
>>133136711Biases are illogical, however.
>>133131959I hate Toei's obsession with the flashy shockwave bullshit.
Girls shows are so awful. Shit like DC Superhero Girls where the characters are all girls and they put Girls in the title so the girls can know it’s a show for girls. And it has to take place at a school because apparently girls can’t relate to any other settings.
>>133137163This is Toei?Why the fuck is this time on Cure and not DBS
>>133137520They actually want to make Precure. They just make DBS for the easy money.
>>133130342Her husband also happens to have celebrity cache that she doesn’t have. Of course he gets paid more for having a more recognizable more bankable name. Now if she made 20% less than Victor Courtright she might have a stronger argument.
>>133132320I still like her despite that dykness aspect.
>>133134445No, that's how Mattel excused the poor sales of their usual shitty toys.
>>133133422>You can see this most clearly in DC Superhero Girlst. Didn't watch DCSHG
>>133133976The merch has to be making the big money, because they got before season 6 even started airing, it got renewed for seasons 7-13(70 more episodes after season 6 finishes).
>>133137562>They actually want to make Precure.No they rely on that for easy money too.
>>133128556>pitches good show>it gets picked up>leaves it midway through the season because "WAAAH NO THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED">complains no one ever wants her showsNo, she needs to just quit being retarded.
>>13312855680% of cartoons the last 8 years have been targeted at girlsHow the fuck can she claim that it's hard to pitch a show for girls ?
>>133128613>and made exclusively for girls0/10 bait. All she ever talks about is how girls shows should appeal to everyone.
>>133128741>McCraken’s coattailsWhat coattails? He's got nothing. His last show bombed so he's running back to daddy CN and rebooting 2 old shows because he's run dry of ideas.
>>133128841> She is a staunch anti-romance Based. More shows could benefit from jus telling the story and not detouring into will they won’t they land
>>133138652Kid cosmic was awesome.
She’s out of touch
>>133133483Where did that info comes? I didn't knew there was so much info about medusa
>>133133422The cast from MLP is the most basic personalities
>>133138595That might be why she's having so much trouble. She's trying to sell ice to eskimos, and if I were a studio exec I'm equating Faust to ponies to bronies, and I want no fucking part of that mess.
>>133128556Didn't she once indirectly comment that the Medusa movie was canned because she "owned" an executive who asked why they were making a movie for girls?
Did she have a kid?
>>133140185>why are we making a movie for girls? shouldn't we make a movie all kids can enjoy?>OMG! HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU FUCKING MYSOGINISTIC PATRIARCHY ENABLER DICKHEAD!, YOU ARE EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!1!!>b-ut>NO BUTS! I JUST FUCKING O-W-N-E-D YOU! I QUIT AND I WILL SEE YOU ALL IN HELL! DON'T EVEN CONTACT ME EVER AGAIN!>Lauren, what hapenned?>*sniff* I just got fired after being raped by the patriarchy, why does this keep happening to me?, I don't understand.
>>133140185Owned? What the fuck is this a DotA game?
The industry needs more exposés. Why do all the big wigs hide from public eye? Why is all the drama and gossip around young artists? Shouldn't the people who control the culture weigh in on the current goals and new developments? Why do they hide?
>>133129161What if the real reason they push all this genderism and tranny shit is to create a single consoomer group?
>>133140898Not much different than what she posted.
>>133132554Working on it.
Reading this thread, it breaks my heart to think that I thought Faust was one of the good ones.
>>133136711I used this same logic during a university serminar about the wage gap that I was attending for extra credit in an elective class.Most awkward Q&A ever.
>>133141141Stop noticing and consoom next product anon. You vill watch the generic brown male coprotagonist and you vill see them crossdress as a running metanarrative.
>>133141141Nah the real reason is pedophilia. Look into the history of the LGBT movement; it's been a pedophile advocacy movement from the start. The first big pushes to restructure age of consent laws were from the gay rights movement who wanted to abolish them to legalize man-boy love.The reason pedophilia stopped being openly considered a part of the gay rights movement is because the lesbian rights groups said they couldn't join the men on solidarity if the men were going to keep shilling for pedophilia. They never left, and pedophilia was always going to be the next push after the more publicly palatable causes were accepted.
>>133128556Do I really have to bus to LA if i got into calarts?
>>133128872>hay guise i drew like 5 frames of my dude posing to my voice over listen to me talk about cartoons man; remember cartoon network ?
>>133141478Anon, the age of consent law debate has almost always been between Christian prudes and disgusting pedos well before the big gay rights movement.The first few were about adults taking advantage of young girls while the jump from 16 to 18 in America was Christian suffragettes casting teenage boys as rapists who were fundamentally incapable of keeping it in their pants and needed to wait for marriage. (Admittedly those same Suffragettes did the first few as well)Then the French pedos like Foucault came along and rallied against that because they wanted to fuck little boys. This largely culminated in Europe throwing their hands in the air and saying "eh fuck it it's 15 or 16 or something" while America went 16-18 dependent on state because no one wanted to deal with the retarded game of ping pong that everyone saw coming
>>133142495Not that anon but where exactly do we go from here if one side has been pushing and gaining traction for the lowering of AOC?
>>133141091the public figures are non-stop shit talked, gossiped about, and harassed by masturbation-addicted man-children. Honestly, the smart move is to stay hidden and let /co think everything is Hirsch or Terrace's fault.
>>133142957>feminists raise AoC >collapses birth rates, directly causes widespread hypergamy, sexual promiscuity destroying the ability to pairbond, pregnancy and abortion out of wedlock, and indirectly all current social problems of clownworld >faggot pederasts try to lower AoC to buttfuck young boys and spread their trauma to others >causes the future social problems of clownworld The problem is the argument is framed by the enemies of normal people and society in both cases. Yes people should marry young (and ideally have a sole monogamous lifetime sexual partner), yes fag groomers should be executed for raping little boys. These people are the enemies of civilization.
>>133142495I know the argument's been going on for ages (Arguably since antiquity, given Aisha and Mary would both get a modern man v&) but formalized efforts for it under the guise of protected sexuality are an LGBT endeavor.
>>133143217I wish I didn't live my adult years in such times.
>>133141359>Reading this thread, it breaks my heart to think that I thought Faust was one of the good ones.as a general rule, I wouldn't consider /co a reliable source of information.
>>133143247I didn't even know she rambles on Twitter about the fucking patriarchy.
>>133143219>formalized efforts for it under the guise of protected sexuality are an LGBT endeavor.No they're not. It's a false flag maneuver and you're being manipulated.Pedophiles have been trying to rebrand by attempting to align themselves with LGBTQ+. The queer community has never accepted them as being a part of it. Simply stating that you're part of something doesn't mean you actually have a seat at the table.
>>133143217Actual pic of anon
>>133143219Pedophiles were part of the movement before it was the LGB movement, but they were basically kicked out by the lesbians because women hate male pedophiles more than anyone. Anti-pedophilia is pretty much always some form of feminism.
>>133143256and anons on /co ramble about a person in a show having brown skin. Everyone has their straw man.
>>133143420The difference is that we ramble about everything.
>>133143415wut? So the people who are against pedophiles on /co are feminists? B A S E D
>>133130261It exists tho, Ladybug is still really fucking popular with little girls
>>133134344It's God's punishment for not taking Craig's surname when she married him
>>133143264She's white horse right?
>>133143353Pederastry is the beating heart of homosexuality. something comical like 80% of gays in mainstream pro LGBT surveys self report as having sex with older adult men before the age of 16. >That's called groomed >>13314343719th century feminism had different goals than 1970's nambla/2022's lgbt+(p), but overlap in their efforts undermining society. Both are wrong (more like evil) for different reasons and different framings of the issue.
>>133143447>Ladybug is still really fucking popular with little girls>the french coomer show correction. the *3D* french coomer show >popular with girls Action dramadies about cute girls get watched by adolescent boys and it's still baffling decades after totally spies that producers and marketing companies don't understand it. Ladybug toys are ponyjar destined. The problem for the toy branding-revenue model is that the shit goes in the pink isle or girls don't play with action toys. You'd think they'd realize videogames are the trend to latch on to make revenue generating parallel content of a series, but yet again there they make "games" aping barbie horse adventure instead of leaning into the fighting-relationsim elements that can be lifted from the source show. perfect example, Fausts DCSHGs has a switch game. >sandbox action fighting game good >social media sim "girl game" baked in bad Both conceptually and in execution. Older examples, the graveyard of totally spies videogames (for girls) that never took advantage of the canuck/frog coomer energy, spy mechanics, or fighting. Half of of them were puzzle games and the other half were dressup sims. Faust and shows like Ladybug can't wrap her head around the fact the unicorn 8-12 year old girl demo doesn't fucking exist in the tiktok generation and that these shows only work on the universalist sfw themes that give them an unintended wide/male /co/ audience.Not that their ideological competitors, the prototypical owl house/steven universe/latest narcissist self insert tumblr show, is actually watched by any children, much less girls, either.
>>133143560Speaking of feminism, the fact that the only thing that Bernays had to to do to get women to commercially smoke was to use it as a feminist icon as tobacco companies finally breached a new demographic. Utterly hilarious.
>>133132320We need more cartoons like that dipshit
>>133128556I feel like pitching anything just kind of sucks, your whole audience is just there to make money and listens to like 50+ of these at a time.
>>133144055>when you go to google to try and find a reaction image to prove how not mad you are >not even comics/cartoon/le 4chan related no rebuttal to being laid out by the truth huh
>>133143415I know, I thought I mentioned that in my first post.>>133143353>The queer community has never accepted them as being a part of it.This is factually untrue, many of the founding men of the gay rights movement were open pedophilia advocates.
>>133144041>make wholesome cartoon with no subversive themes and strong traditional kids messaging through allegory>is watched by conservative peoples children instead of tween girls and internet perverts of course >Faust seethes her show is being watched wrong >jumps ship >gets new project up and running >same thing happens It's better than the self insert shipwar nonsense but Faust is specifically a walking contradiction as she holds the personal politics and misandry of a tumblr narcissist project creator while consistently turning out content loved by a consumerbase she openly despises. You'd think it would sink in making content "like what I grew up with" implicitly means making content that would be loved predominantly by normies and other non bugmen.
>>133143871I've seen tons of little girls with Ladybug backpacks and t-shirts in the streets. I've seen girls in the supermarket telling their mothers to buy them a Ladybug doll. Recently a coworker invited us to his daughter's birthday party and it was Ladybug themed, with people dressed as her and the cat guy and all. I see her everywhere like Elsa from Frozen, or Sailor Moon back in the 90's. Just because coomers make up all of the online fanbase, as it is with every cartoon, doesn't make it that way irl
>>133144335>I've seen girls in the supermarket telling their mothers to buy them a Ladybug doll.>things that exist western countries don't treat grocery stores as multi use businesses and a grocery stores sad little toy aisle wouldn't have branded products. If you were from one you'd have described it as a walmart/big box store. What country do you live in so you can get a reality check about population density/localization and it's affect on things like merch sales because it sure isn't the USA. Regardless you're describing something, even if calling shartmart a supermarket was a slip of the tongue, that is simply not believable this side of the smartphone. >every little girl I watch loves this relatively obscure netflix show and begs mommy for the entire 10 product cloth clothing action figure line made by a 5th rung toy company! The entire playmates Ladybug toy line could barely fill an endcap. Cloth clothing action figures, barbie playsets, handful of "boy toy" 6" figures, and fucking puzzles.
>>133144242>the founding men of the gay rights movement
>>133144794>>133144242Who are these founding men you speak of?
>>133144807>Always remember Harvey Milk>...wait no not like that?!
>>133144649>western countries don't treat grocery stores as multi use businessesnot that anon, but it depends where you live in the US. I live in NYC and our grocery stores are tiny. We don't have toy aisles. I'm originally from the midwest, and some of those giant grocery stores did have toy aisles with branded toys as well as sections with books and flowers and whatever else. There are also some areas where the main "grocery store" is actually a mega-target or a mega-wal-mart (not sure if this is actually a term or just what my family called them). In those cases, one might reference a grocery store but it also has a whole wal-mart attached to it. I'm not trying to make excuses for anon, but the US is huge and things tend to vary wildly between regions.
>>133129376>The East uses demographics to organize magazines, not to pigeonhole ideas. The Japs don't fucking care who buys, so long as people buy.The West uses cartoons to sell toys and infantile products, very different from Japan where anime is an add for the manga.
>>133144864 >I bought chicken nuggets, a shelving unit, Miraculous Ladybug pretty princess playset, and PS5 at the grocery store >What kind of grocery store you going to damn son >It's called walmart >So you went to walmart >No, I went to the grocery store Miraculous Ladybug is aired on the Disney Channel outside the first world. Which at least makes it semi believable that little girls in the favela love the show in the same way inner city hoodrats love DBZ and brazilians became obsessed with Fairly Odd Parents 10 years behind the curve. But every little girl in Anons Chilean village obsessing over it =/= appreciable toy sales/market penetration. It's a "we own this" dump show for the turd world to the Disney Octopus.
>>133144794The modern gay rights movement has an actual timeline, you know. It hasn't been a nebulous struggle-effort since the dawn of time.The modern predecessor of current gay rights activism, the Gay Liberation Movement, was spearheaded predominantly by pedophilia advocates such as:>Harry "NAMBLA Walks With Me" Hay, founder of the first sustained gay rights group in the United States>Boston's Gay Men's Liberation (Wished to remove legal limits on age-discriminatory relationships and allow 24-hour "community child-rearing" centers where gays could participate in helping rear legally emancipated children)>The Gay and Lesbians Activists Alliance being springboarded by the NYC Gay Activist's Alliance, one of the first post-Stonewall Gay Rights organizations founded by NAMBLA founder and open pedophile David Thorstad
>>133144864The huge walmarts are called Walmart Supercenters, the big Targets are called Super Targets
Is /co/ really that young to remember NAMBLA being a thing?
>>133145250People remember it, but there's been a decades-long astroturfing campaign to pretend it's completely separate from the modern LGBT movement (when as >>133145130 shows, the same people started both)
>>133145147>Supercenters>Super TargetsThank you! I never questioned that they were called "mega <store>" until I was typing it out and realized how stupid it sounded. Really seemed like something my mom would just make up. Turns out she did.
>>133145525In fairness to your mom, Mega Target does sound cooler than Super Target.
>she designed a bunch of characters for a potential show years ago, before getting to work on MLP>nothing came out of it, but people loved the designs>fast forward to nowadays>she redesigned the characters for "modern sensibilities">by literally turning them into fat calarts shitEnjoy some of the examples, Western animation is so fucked.
>>133145740those are PPG
>>133145777It was called Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls, not much is known about it because it was left as a bunch of DeviantArt posts and nothing more.
>>133128556She made a legacy for herself because she broke the barrier of cartoon shows being either for boys or for girls. Made a show so good that looks like it’s for little girls but dudes loved it. Literally broke the glass ceiling.
>>133128642>No boobsHow old is she meant to be?
>>133145740Holy shit thats a downgrade, kinda parallels faust's own decay in a sense as well.
>>133146949She's meant to be slender...like a snake.
>>133138667It was forgettable. That's fine though, I'm still interested in the two reboots even if they are just recycled ideas.
>>133147343morbid obesity is brave and valid, experts say.
>>133148794Eh, I liked it and have rewatched a few times now but to each his own.
>>133147343I’m sure it’s because she’s convinced skinny characters give girls body image issues and eating disorders. There might be something to it. Doesn’t Eugenia Cooney pretty much want to be a bratz doll?
>>133128556I wish she was banging MY head
>>133131224>Disney adapted Hercules despite Herc himself being the product of Zeus raping his mother.The biggest thing people forget about the Hercules myth is that Hercules' mother Alcmene was the granddaughter of Perseus, who was also a son of Zeus. That means Hercules was conceived by Zeus impregnating his own great-granddaughter
>>133131959You can tell it's for young children given that they had many chances for a panty shot that they didn't take
>>133130228>Faust always creates characters with unique body typesThe ponies all have the same body.
>>133145740Cuter on the right.
>>133130504Wasn't the tranny show already finished or something? It already came out.
>>133131052I'm sorry her original idea that Big Mac was outright the owner of the apple orchard wasn't used as I think it makes Applejack's character more interesting.
>>133128613MLP was not an "extremely girl centric" show. It wasn't all about romance or fashion or tea parties or other stereotypical shit. It had a pretty wide appeal if you could get past the girly aesthetic.
>>133132007Springtime and hence youth.
>>133145740I don't mind the black chick, at least she looks fuckable now
>>133151177I think that's so they could get away with the baby cucking
>>133151382I think it's more like that you're retarded and your entire knowledge of Precure is based on epic Sakuga Webms you saw online
>>133136134>she could have crowdfunded literally anything and gotten the budget to make it.When has crowdfunding come up with multiple millions of dollars to make an animated series?
>>133151444MST3K got $5.7 mil around thenSong of the Sea cost $7.5 mil to makeShe probably could’ve scrapped together a 2D movie
>>133140898>>133141226Now we know why Craig looks so tired all the time.
>>133144335>Recently a coworker invited us to his daughter's birthday partyGoing to a little girl's birthday part doesn't sound like much fun for an adult.
>>133151463>MST3K got $5.7 mil around thenI like MST3K, but it's a cheap ass puppet show that relies on Public Domain or near worthless movie licenses to fill out airtime.
>>133151509And small horse fans, who were largely furries, known for being suspiciously wealthy, probably could have surpassed what they got for for over 1000 minutes of content (including licensing over a dozen movies) easy
>>133128642>each snake has a different personalitynice
>>133151444The Critical Role animated special raised 11mHomestuck's game raised what was it, 2.5m in two days during its peak of relevance?Lauren Faust easily could've scraped together 10 million bucks in 2012/2013 for pony show fame.
>>133151580How far does 10 million get you for a series?
>>133151635an average 11 minute cartoon is $500kOver the Garden Wall easily cost well under 10 mil
>>133146384>Made a show so good that looks like it’s for little girls but dudes loved it.PPG already did that in the 90s.
>>133151437and the one post on this thread
>>133128556Does anyone remember how Faust had that miscarriage back in 2011? Miserable shit.
>>133128556>what happenedCEOs are fucking retards>>133128642this could have been awesome. a whole cast of monsters and naiads and dryads another other greek monsters that people don't talk about that much could have been exciting characters but no, the idiocracy continues.people bitch about western animation sucking, but then it's the CEOs that are cancelling shit. it's not animation, it's the dumbing down and decreased diversity of shows for kids. the 90s were good for cartoons because there was so much to choose from and enjoy. they want kids to be stupified on TTG reruns
>>133141478you're fucking retarded. pedos are overwhelmingly hetero and cis and the catholic church protects pedo priests and they're conservatives>>133142495>the jump from 16 to 18in most of the u.s. states and european countries, it's 16 and 17>>133142957>one sideanon, the most concervative parts of the world have lower ages of consent. it is a feature of patriarchal societies. the vatican's stance on age of consent is literally marriage. so if it's "legal" to marry a 12 year old, they support that kind of sexual activity. Mary was 14 when she had jesus>>133143217>those horrible women are bad for doing what i want>those horrible not hetero people are bad for doing what society has already done in the pastyou're retarded>>133143560i want everyone to take note of this retard, then look up what pedos identify as. they're mostly heteros. this retard can't even look up a basic fact. i'll bet if he has a family he eats dinner with, if someone asks to pass the salt he'll immediately break down and start weeping about trans people
>>133144807alan turing, alan ginsberg, and many other leading homosexual male icons were pedophiles. this isn't spoken about often. and yes, NAMBLA was one of the leading orgs of the gay rights movement in the 60's, this is why nobody took that shit seriously until very recently where they could white-wash NAMBLA out of the scene
>>133151838>and the catholic church protects pedo priests and they're conservativescatholic church "protects" pedo priests because pedophiles are in the church, retard. the problem with pedophilia remains pedophiles.> they're mostly heterosand most hetero pedophiles are filtered by AOC laws, quit trying to deflect, pedo faggot.
>>133151947>Alan Turing was a pedo>Source: my ass
>>133151965alan turing buttfucked some teenage boy who later went on to "rob" his house. literally led to his chemical castration, retard. read a book.
>>133130342Not a fan of steven universe, but the fact that rebecca sugar stayed with her show and became a bigger name than faust because it shows that faust's logic is dogshit>>133130342
>>133151959the point that the retard anon was making was that it's a "gay agenda". the catholic church is specifically right wing and conservative.>pedos are filtered by AOC lawsso you're definitely retarded if you think there aren't child molesters. if the laws filtered them there would be no child molesters. the vast majority of which are straight.knock knock. earth anon. the vast majority of pedos are straight
>>133151838>j..j..just let me assfuck little boys it's a sexuality and not violent trauma I'm subjecting on another to claim agency over my own abuse
>>133151977The “teenager” was 19.
>>133151977>19 year oldthat's not a child, retard. fucking kill yourself
>>133151977the guy was 19. sure, a 39 year old with a 19 year old is weird, but if you think that's pedophilia, you're hopelessly retarded. "read a book" lmao get the fuck out of here, you dumb faggot.
>>133151993>everyone i disagree with is a gay pedoi'm straight and most of my sexual partners were women older than me. you have no argument and you're mentally ill
>>133151989The difference is that sugar was working on her own show so she has more invested. Faust has worked on other IPs so she’s not going to be as committed.
>>133152011>>133152007>>133151999>expecting conservitard fundies to make any arguments remotely in good faith>everISHYGDDT.And how the fuck did this conversation even get started anyways.
>>133152011real talk m8, what age did you "consent" to a trusted male authority-rolemodel figure sticking his dick in your ass. Let me guess, same guy showed you porn like all certified cooldudes™ do with kids. It is pitiably common in your community and sex crimes have no sunset period in most localities. You should press charges. That man is your abuser. Your path to agency and reclaiming yourself is confronting trauma, not spreading it. The most evil thing in the world you could ever do is making someone else suffer the same trauma you did.
>>133152042>Ignore any posts about definitive gay rights movement founders that provably supported pedophilia>Respond to the one post that was between legal adults>Call all arguments bad faith when you yourself only chose a flawed example in bad faith.The groomer way.
>>133152431Some old gay rights activists being pedos doesn't really meaningfully prove anything imo. Fascism was founded by socialists, but nowadays fascists are the literal antithesis of socialists. The black rights movement was fundamentally either Islamic in nature in the 1960s, but good luck finding an Islamic BLM protester nowadays. The thing about movements is that they're not centralized.
>>133152464>Some old gay rights activistsYou mean some of the founding organizers of the entire movement? You mean the most politically successful gay rights organization being springboarded by the guy that started NAMBLA has nothing to do with anything?Nevermind the clear push towards grooming that the "LGBT movement" still attempts to do, you can't distance yourself from your literal founding elements and expect people to believe you. It's like a neo-nazi trying to argue they're civnats.
This discussion is getting derailed.
>>133128556The vast majority of modern TV shows are literally made for females.
>>133152554Yeah, no shit. Psyops are working hard tonight.
>>133152540Except the people fighting for gay rights are not the same as fascists and neo nazis
>>133152956>doggedly defending the pederast who raped you as a minor in a thread about My Little Pony
>>133151342That's not necessarily all that encompasses "girly" anon. If that's what you think "girly" means you need to interact with girls more.
>>133152579Actually to directly denigrate and emotionally torture men and groom./brainwash children. Get it right.