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What would do with a Catwoman comic, /co/?
I'd turn her into a pulpy Doc Savage/Indiana Jones/Lara Croft esque thief adventurer. Not just robbing museums but also collecting ancient artifacts and stuff from dig sites
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Back to purple, but she has costume changes as needed
Lots of disguises and gadgets
She's rarely in Gotham, going for bigger and bigger targets
She'll protect people if they're unjustly picked on in her way, but she doesn't go out of her way to look over people. She doesn't care about the East end or whatever
She loves being selfish and hedonistic, parties hard between heists, plays people against each other
Basically like Fujiko Mine
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>>133082628
Something on the line of When in Rome or Ed Brubaker run.
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>>133082969
I never want to see that suit again, It was a mistake.
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>>133083000
Shit taste, I was the best costume she had. This is why elements of it still are present in the newer ones.
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>>133083112
It's boring, Plus they made her into prude.
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>>133083112
>Elements
It isn't the same one?
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>>133082969
>Cooke making rules for a Hooker.
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>>133083125
>Plus they made her into prude.
I don't know what you find "prude" in skin-tight latex or leather,
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>>133083112
They basically have to change the point of it by making is really tight or showing off her breasts, lol. I wish I could've asked Cooke what he thought of how Jim Lee drew it in Hush.
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Both Catwoman & She-Hulk got Hijacked in the early 00s.
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>>133083132
My image? yeah, I was talking about the goggles, black as her main color, and short hair. Stuff like it seems to not go away or reaper constantly.
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>>133083155
Attitude wise.
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>>133083208
Thanks Cooke...
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>>133083211
Unless you are talking about making cat puns or meowing, I don't see the real difference.
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>>133083208
Yeah, I said Elements because I can't see any actual changes. It seems to be the exact same, but it's more or less formfitting depending on artist.
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20 years of this shit.
Back to Purple!
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>>133083275
90s Catwoman is shit.
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>>133083299
Purple was her color for 50 years.
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>>133083299
At least it's not larping as a 40's pastiche with Selena drowning the reader in her self-doubts.
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>>133083332
And Batman was blue, who cares?
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>>133083352
Besides you, I don't even remember somebody who talks about the 90s run.
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>>133083416
I do.
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>>133083211
Honestly, they just made her sex appeal more contemporary. Same with the costume. 90s Catwoman today looks like a halloween costume and her femme fatale persona back then felt incredibly campy and fake.

It's not like you can't have different interpretations of Catwoman but just like Bruce went from super-heroic caped crusader to damaged stoic basket case, Catwoman can go from a hammy femme fatale dressed in a skintight purple unitard that shows her nipples to a sly noir antiheroine with a padded leather suit, and it's fine.
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>>133083437
Thats a bad take because most people don't talk about old solo runs in general. Hell, no one really talks about her 2000's book either.
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>>133083645
usually whenever people talk about catwoman in a positive sense it's one of the only things that comes up. Brubaker's first few arcs, When in Rome, Selina's Big Score. Because they're actually good, fun stories that stand up pretty well.
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>>133083645
>>133083663
this
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Putting Catwoman in a latex costume was genius. Taking away the visibility of the big green eyes and putting her in combat boots instead of combat heels was a mistake.
Gulacy mostly corrected that in his run and the costume has endured because it puts Selina in the fetish costume she was always meant to wear
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>>133082628
A lot of very suggestive run-ins with underage boys
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>>133083744
It's leather, I think. I think the goggles are incredibly striking when you go for severe lighting with hard shadows and junk and they're glowing green or red on her silhouette, but if you ever don't like them you can always just like, flip 'em up.

I like how the boots look in the context of the leather suit, with the "cuffs" being noticeably pronounced and big looking at her legs, but I'm not entirely opposed to making the heels taller considering it's Catwoman.
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>>133083663
>Brubaker's first few arcs,

And that's it, the book stalls after that and never recovers. When in Rome uses Tim Sale's design, and Big Score barely has her int he suit.
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No dyke hair or doc martens
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>>133083878
>short hair
>dyke hair
shut the fuck up

also fix your weird-ass anatomy
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>>133083819
Thighboots over a leather/pvc/latex/vinyl/whatever catsuit are an absolute must purely because it's my fetish.

Also, what do you guys think about the armpit windows?
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>>133083962
This outfit is really cute and stylish, and I'm glad it got rid of the stupid goggles. Giving her the ear goggles motif over the eared cowl was redundant, and selina's eyes should already be catlike anyway.
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>>133083988
I'm just addicted to hellboyish artstyles with hard shadows and giving her big glowing cat eyes when she's in the shadows (which she should be, she's a thief, a cat burglar, not a femme fatale running around toting an AK) is the best to me- and it makes more sense with goggles
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>>133084036
She used to do the big glowing eyes thing in older comics without the goggles, too(same as Babsgirl)
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>>133083744
The combat boots are ok, and the goggles give her a unique element for her design and can always be put on her forehead if you want a more expressive face. What sells it is the skin-tight black leather with the zipper to her hips. It gives her a sexy femme fatale with a noir feel, instead of the crazy hooker with a cat costume.
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>>133084054
but then they can't sometimes be red, which I also like
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>>133083878
That's a terrible mash-up of the 90s and 2000s era.
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>>133084068
>Look out kids it's the Flying Fox!
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>>133084054
yeah but the goggles give her a more stylish form to the eyes area.
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>>133084116
Must... Resist... Digimon... Joke...
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>>133083819
I actually like the goggles too, I just think the eyes should be visible when she wears them
A good median for me would be a classic Catwoman mask with goggles that fit over them like the Fernando Blanco op image
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>>133083962
armpit windows are great
they should give her ankle and belly button windows too
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>>133083962
Mixed feelings, I love a clean silhouette. I kinda want to see a Catwoman with the Brubaker suit but with a mask over the exposed part of her face just to see what it'd look like.

But I don't hate it or anything.
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>>133084420
>brubaker suit
cooke suit, mb
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I don't know about you all, but I much prefer Catwoman's origin as like an amnesiac flight attendant or a manic secretary gone bad than having her play this ridiculous role as a mob princess who gets adopted and molested has an invalid sister and yadayadayada
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>nine issue mini-series
>chronicles the life and times of Selina Kyle, showcasing her evolution as a character while loosely mirroring the trends in her publication history
>each issue is basically a self-contained story from various eras of her life, from her early days as a thieving street urchin, to her varied career as a super villainess, to her dubious status as a reformed anti-villain
>the throughlines of these stories emphasize how she's clawed herself out of the throes of chronic poverty with a misanthropic "survival of the fittest" philosophy that's colored her perspective of the world, how her pride starkly clashed with Batman's rigid principles throughout all the years they spent as enemies in spite of their mutual attraction, and how his influence eventually moved her to change for the better
>the last issue ends however, from the POV of some lowlife animal abuser being terrorized by Catwoman who fatally underestimated the ire of a crazy cat lady
>a "Cats of Ulthar" esque ending implied for him, calling into question just how "tamed" she really is

I don't know, winging it with some of these ideas. It'll probably be some noncanon shit but I personally prefer a more villainously inclined Catwoman than some prostitute with a heart of gold or something.
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>>133082628
She looks a lot like Nastassja Kinski here.
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>>133084561
>Nastassja Kinski
no idea who nastyass kanker sore is but damn if she doesn't look the part
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>>133084678
You should check the movie (Cat People, 1982).
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>>133084366
Good taste, anon. Altho a bare midriff might interrupt that sleek catsuit look she's got goin on
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I think they could make a little belly button window in the shape of her cat-belt insignia
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>>133085162
I like the battle damaged bellybutton stuff
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>>133085704
who doesn't
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>>133082628
I'd go with a more Robin Hood like approach honestly. Globe trotting Selina is cool (esp When in Rome), but it should always be in service of her catburglaring modus operandi
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>>133086620
she likes stealing shiny things though
like you'd never see her robbing a bank
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>>133086603
People with shit taste.
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>>133087760
glorious
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>>133087974
>B..but HeRoEs DoN't Do ThAt
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>>133084366
no they're retarded and fucking trigger my ocd
fucking stop with the holes
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>>133088028
Batman and Catwoman practically been married since the 50s
imagine believing those quasi geriatrics don't get it on like donkey kong
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>>133088047
my bad bro, she should have toe and ass windows as well as the armpit, ankle and belly button windows
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I had a really fucking retarded out there catwoman idea while feverishly tired awhile ago
>Catwoman elseworlds with an alternate Selina in an advanced magitek fantasy setting
>Dishonored with some art deco might be a good comparison (also everyone is cat people, but that's not important)
>She's still a thief, but usually rather than a thrill seeker works as a fixer, cleaning up crime scenes under the noses of investigators, doing frame-ups, dirty political work- but it pays the bills, and the government here is actually incredibly stable and competent, so it brings some thrills, on top
>She's still friendly and empathetic (especially towards the local gutter trash,) but she's a little more cynical and ruthless- especially when it comes to her work
>Story follows her following a plot at the behest of her usual client, a powerful city councilman- when she begins to experience strange sensations. Deja vu when meeting people evocative of rogues, a sense of wrongness in her career, and strangest, a sort of phantom limb sensation- tail feels like it isn't there
>Eventually comes to light as the main plot progresses that This is the main universe Catwoman- she's been abducted and had her identity completely rewritten to seamlessly fit into this universe
>The idea, here, was to utilize a quality she unknowingly has as a cape heroine- their universe is more like ours in that outcomes are usually the obvious ones, but Selina just straight up stretches causality around her to produce more entertaining and exciting outcomes
>Dude who planned this wanted to use Selina to force some meaningful change (in his favor) on a world that's been stagnant for generations, but it begins backfiring when the stakes keep rising and new plots and twists begin popping up to comic extremes, and the city begins to look and feel more and more like Gotham
>Selina's presence is degenerating the setting into noir capeshit

r8 my schizodream
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>>133088283
bretty gud elseworld concept, far better than most hypercrisis shit
Selina's not in Gotham anymore
how would she get back home again?
click her heels?
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>>133088602
I'm not sure I thought as far as a solid ending

Selina's goal of "break up a political plot against her boss and make good money doing it" would pretty drastically and immediately shift as soon as she has adequate reason to suspect that there's something going on with her identity and she's not who she thinks she is. She'd start looking into it more and more, but grow a little conflicted as she's started making genuine friendships with her fellow co-workers and lowlives in cat-people land.

One ending that comes to mind is Selina storming in on her kidnapper only to find he's already set up the ritual to throw her back where she belongs as her normal self. At first she's outraged that he'd basically just go "fuck off" after everything he did and they go at it with her having the intent to, if not kill him, definitely thoroughly fuck him up.

But everything has been getting steadily worse to the point that all of the coinciding plotlines and crazy narrative arcs are becoming impossible to keep track of. Everything is falling into overdramatic, hackneyed chaos- and eventually, one of Selina's friends interrupts the beatdown and convinces her, as much as she's grown to care for this place, as much as she wants to see things right herself with every bone of her body, she just has to get the fuck out while she still can and leave someone else to finish the "story" and fix things. So she does.

Either that, or while things are degenerating she manages to find an out on her own, and she leaves without any fanfare or strong resolutoin after making the same realization on her own that going any further or seeking any closure would just make things worse.
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>>133085264
These faces are nightmare fuel.
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>>133088812
Kind of a Catwoman meets Pynchon vibe which is pretty cool.
Would it be safe to call your world more steampunk or cyberpunk?
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>>133082628
So...Carmen Sandiego?
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>>133088077
No pusi window?
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>>133089178
you sick fuck
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>>133088283
Not quite my style but I dig it. It would have to be done with a neon noir aesthetic tho
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Reminder
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>>133089039
Dieselpunk-ish more than anything, so closer to steampunk.
Something like a very dense and vertically-built 1930s-era city with a loving helping of art deco wherever you look. You've got your dingy and shady parts of town particularly around street level and in wealthier and more important parts of town you get these impressive and ornate concrete buildings almost built more like fortresses.

Their society uses something like magic pretty casually in their tech, but the form that tech takes varies from something like a gas meter to more strange, ritualistic devices it'd be hard to discern the purpose of at a glance.

I'm coming to the thought that I might have just mashed a bunch of stealth game settings together without realizing, but that's fine.
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>>133082753
This guy gets it.
If you're going to make Selina her own person outside of a love interest, get her the hell away from Gotham and actually have her interact with the larger universe. It always amazes me that as much as people praise Brubaker's run for streamlining her character, they ignore how reductive it was in that regard.

>>133088283
>>133088812
>>133089592
Sounds like a higher concept version of Waking Up on the Wrong Side of the Universe. I'd definitely read it.
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I would write her as a kleptomaniac nymph, and she would speak in cat puns.
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>>133088077
at that point just have her naked or wearing a bikini
or some leotard
just no fucking holes
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>>133090349
absolutely catastrophic
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>>133089478
Based
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>>133090349
You're kitten

that's pawful
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>>133090341
IMO Wild Ride was like the best example I can think of of Selina getting out of the city and having adventures. His run starts cooling down and getting worse after she comes back.
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>>133090419
Works for me.
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>>133083878
Agreed. Fuck dyke hair and boots. But I can go either way on purple vs black.
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>>133090341
I'm somehow surprised that Catwoman-in-space is an arc that someone's already done
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The Brubaker/Cooke run was a breath of fresh air the character needed after the Balent era ended and the character struggled to find a role in Gotham in a wave of editorial changes, but its stagnated the character for too long now. Too many people hold it as sacred for "legitimizing" the character. The character seems stuck being Batman's girlfriend when its convenient instead of having that playful banter, and after the cancelled wedding its hard to go back to that banter.
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>>133094749
I really don't like this page, it's in bad taste.
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>>133094749
Most of the times when I've read more recent Catwoman comic I think my problems are:
>Mid art it might be lame to say it but the best thing about early Brubaker catwoman is that it's incredibly stylish
>Lack of a persistent, solid supporting cast
>Lack of a solid overarching concept for an arc
>Lame melodrama, and worse, grounded criminal melodrama+romance


I don't know if the problem is necessary "stagnance," because that's just the package deal with capeshit. Batman is stagnant and it honestly works just because Batman is a fun story in itself. I think the problem is more that they're just telling bad stories with the character that are tonally not that fun?

I feel like Selina should mash up melancoly, earnest neo-noir with fun thief adventures ala lupin III. I think that's the fun duality that makes the character. If you lean too hard into pure melodrama (which fyi I don't think brubaker really did) then it grows weary for a comic setting, but if you lean too hard into pure adventure with a sultry amoral femme fatale like the 90s book I find it hard to be able to care.
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>>133095053
I don't care about her inner thoughts of self-doubts.
Just have fun adventures.
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>>133094749
Need more cat puns because this is boring as fuck.
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>>133095084
Having characters with actual feelings makes the fun adventures more fun. It's what makes the character likable beyond fetish appeal, that she's a thrillseeking, dubiously moral daredevil with a heart.

I think the arc where Selina "goes good" in a big way and tries to fix up the city or something happens a bit too often and grows tired quickly, but there's LITERALLY nothing wrong with her being a good person who isn't always sneering cat puns and fucking people before robbing them
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>>133095152
That doesn't look anything like her.
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>>133095198
It's Holly
She's been part of her main cast for decades.
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I don't want to be a Catwoman fan anymore, Too much gatekeeping.
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>>133095224
oh so you're a catwoman fan?
name all of her appearances
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>Batman can be anything, But Catwoman can only be one thing...
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>>133095436
isn't that what you're saying when you insist that Catwoman should only be fun adventures and nothing else
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>>133095053
>Batman is stagnant and it honestly works just because Batman is a fun story in itself. I think the problem is more that they're just telling bad stories with the character that are tonally not that fun?

Well that's the thing, Batman may be somewhat stagnant, but within the last 20 years, I can say the early 2000's era feels different from the Morrison era, different from the New 52/Snyder era, different from the Rebirth era. But Catwoman still feels stuck in the same sort of stories.
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>>133095492
Aren't you the one pushing that Cooke is the only real Catwoman?
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>>133095530
Not really. I think that restricting her to "no drama, just fun sexy adventures" is by far a more restrictive thing to do to her character than her having morals
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>>133095520
I don't really feel that Catwoman has ever felt similar to the early 2000 days despite clear attempts to ape it, I guess.
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>>133095576
No, this mellow-drama of her growing a conscious was an over-correction, She was never Evil EVIL.
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>>133095658
Thief with a heart is just more interesting than her overtly not caring about anyone else.

FYI you can still have fun adventure heist stories. You can still have her as cynical and primarily looking out for number one, you just have actual plotted-out character moments. Most of the 90s Catwoman I read was just the same thing over and over again with more fetish content. And honestly, there was still melodrama, it was just... Bad.
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>>133082628
My self-insert cucks Batman! Hire me DC!
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>>133095722
Yeah everything is more interesting when she's a boring face.
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>>133095722
>Cooke's run is just good, because 40's pastiche!
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>>133095763
Being a heel 24/7 isn't really exciting either. It's more fun when her backstabbing her partner and making off with a payday isn't a literal guarantee.

We might just have to agree to disagree because I've liked Selina a lot as an ambiguous noir antiheroine out for herself but trying to read such stories as "Selina totes an AK-47 and fights a drug cartel" I can't find the lasting appeal. I don't think it's fun, just corny
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>>133095626
I'd agree in that it doesn't feel like the good Brubaker stuff, it feels more like the stagnant Pfeiffer era after Brubaker.
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>>133095852
Yeahhh, it all feels like Pfeiffer to me. Not fun, not emotional in a good way, just kind of dramatic.
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>>133095845
Yeah, yeah everything you say is right.

I think I hate Catwoman now thanks.
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>>133095967
I mean good you seem like an asshole
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>>133096023
Oh the irony
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>>133082628
I don't have anything specific, but I would probably watch a bunch of old noir movies for inspiration. I think she should be classy and cunning, manipulative, but a good person at the end of the day.

I would also like to say that her current run is god awful dogshit and has really made me question how such talentless hacks get jobs. Absolutely appalling
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>>133096158
At least we can all agree on this, I think
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>>133096169
>we can all agree
In a feminist sort of way
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You guys always this toxic?
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>>133093573
Short hair doesn't have to look Dyke-y.
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>>133096248
Still looks like Love & Rockets.
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>>133096279
Coomer opinion about anything is irrelevant.
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>>133096395
She knows she can't become a better person, but she still dreams of being a normie.
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short hair is best, though something like this is good too
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>>133095882
And thats generally what I mean by saying she's gone stagnant. Not everyone can be Brubaker, sometimes stupid fun is better than trying to keep the character played super straight for years.
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To the guy I was arguing earlier, I'm sorry for being an asshole. My cat Kahless passed away & I was taking it out on you & the thread. Once again I apologize.
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>>133096642
I'm sorry for your loss and it's all good
I love my cat
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catwoman combines two of my favorite things, cats and women
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>>133096681
Besides the cheese factor, I don't like this character, she is a one note character. I think Jason is my favorite non-bruce batcharacter, maybe it's because I love gunplay, but I don't care for any of those characters other than superficial stuff.
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>>133082628
heists
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I like both the 93 and 02 runs. I also really dig the 2018 run for the fidelity of the artists.
Only Catwoman run I don't like is the New 52 one
Can't we all just...get along?
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>>133096811
This!
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>>133096760
>dislikes Catwoman for being a "one note character"
>despite being one of the most three dimensional characters in dc's repertoire
>thinks of post 1987 Jason as a character with depth instead
aight lil bro
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Maybe we lean into more Ninja weapons?
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>>133096872
>depth
i never said that, i just say i love gunplay i'm biased if the character uses firearms.
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>>133096826
honestly they're all bad
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>>133097000
What's bad about them that isn't "bad" about any other comic?
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>>133083962
That costume makes her look the most like a bondage slut.
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>>133096279
Trash opinion you absolute retard
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>>133096760
Lame
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>sexy woman with short hair
sexy woman
>unsexy woman with short hair
unsexy woman

simple as
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>>133099466
Facts tho.
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>>133096279
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
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>>133099674
Nothing wrong with hot lesbians. I love a woman with a lot of room to grow.
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Can't have a Catwoman thread without AH.
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>>133082628
Look at those lips. I'd have her deepthroat increasingly large cocks, until she's afraid the next one will kill her.
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What are some good catwoman and batman comics, that said? I really like the sort of noir vibe the two can bring out of each other
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>>133101166
She Lies at Midnight is pretty good
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>>133101166
There's not a lot of Batman in it, but When in Rome is good too.
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>>133101166
It's not super noir, but I read Batman and Catwoman's first appearance together outloud with voices and everything to my then-girlfriend once and I was surprised at how fun it was. She's my wife now.
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>>133101166
Anything involving Brubaker.
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>>133101744
plays their relationship too predatory. like they're mutual users of each other and everyone else
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>>133101166
Brave and the Bold 197
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Supervillain has something valuable, something that's on a time table. It's useless unless its used at a specific time a week from when the story begins. Several other supervillains and heroes know this supervillain has this item. They capture Catwoman, knowing there will be attempts to steal it, forcing her to make it impossible to steal. If they get to use the item in a week from now, she lives. If it's stolen, she dies.
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>>133102072
Yeah I kinda get that. The art is nice tho
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Always thought it would be cool to have her in some sort of espionage plot. maybe something more down to earth, her being swept up into some international operation. could be something like ARGUS but it being a one woman operation.

also, give her a goofy geek sidekick. it's fun
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>>133101744
this is ruined by slam's presence. did writers have an old man fetish or something?
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>>133103165
as for outfit, I'd be fine with tight black leather or latex, just give her combat heels and more cat motifs. I like the big eye goggles and the cat ears
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>>133101166
just get their 80th anniversary book thingy and sample the stuff in there.
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>>133103190
I don't hate Slam but I didn't like it when they leaned towards a genuine romance with the both of them.
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>>133103256
Thanks for the suggestions fellas, as soon as I'm finished reading the Gambit run I'm on, you bet your ass those are going on the to-do
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>>133082628
>Broke: noir/neo-noir Catwoman standalone
>Woke: giallo throwback Catwoman standalone
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I feel like her runs aren't very good, and she is a character better suited for quick, short standalone issues sort of like batman/catwoman or whatever. I imagine they make more money from long running comic runs though so that wouldn't happen.

also I like her ass
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>>133104352
I enjoy parts of Joelle Jones' and Ram V's runs, but yeah I see what you mean. DC has been struggling in general these days with longer form work, and seem to be leaning more and more on shorter miniseries and their black label stuff, to varying success.

Also yes. Pretty sure Catwoman canonically has the best ass among all the Gotham City sirens
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Pretty sure her zipper goes down far enough.
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>>133104563
Picrel
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>>133104563
>Gotham City sirens
any series where selina hangs out with psychotic murderers is shit.
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In my world, Catwoman is genetically altered. She has cat ears for better hearing and her eyes are altered to allow her to see better on the dark. This makes her a much more effective thief. Selina is considered the greatest thief money can buy. She also lampoons as a flight attendant wearing a green uniform like in her first appearances. Her suit gives her the look of a dominatrix, but is purple in color.
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>>133104605
I see what you mean. Catwoman's not a mass murderer. But if you kinda turn your brain off, the sirens stuff can be just mindless lowkey bisexual cheesecake.
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>>133104780
yea I mean it's blatant fanservice that I feel only really suits harley's personality.
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>>133096098
I liked Marini's stuff.
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>>133104803
Maybe they're all just Harley's delusions while she's in the asylum. Like she imagines her and Ivy and Selina going on these innocent cheesecakey adventures while she's actually rocking by herself in a corner wrapped in a straight jacket after stabbing an orderly to death with a pen or something.
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>>133104883
unironically a good way to frame it
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>>133104883
there's also the fact that Selina is always tied up or strung along for the ride in those GCS stories
It's not like Catwoman is always this willing participant in Harley and Ivy's crimes
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>>133105120
It'll get worse the more Harley and Ivy become explicitly lez. You could pull it off as a girls' trip when there was this bisexual undertone through the whole thing that never rose to more than a cheeky insinuation. But now that Harley and Ivy are supposed to be in an actual relationship, Selina would come off as just third wheeling it even more than she has in the past.
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>>133105691
Stjepan Sejic can be great, but holy crap he could get his characters to look like the same person between panels for once
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Or you all can just read Diabolik.
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>>133105733
>Not Modesty Blaise
You're not even fucking trying. Get out.
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>>133082628
dont maker her a vigilante. give us a villainess. yet, a cat burglar with a heart of gold. thats all.
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>>133105978
>dont maker her a vigilante.
don't think anyone wants her to fight crime, but I'd like to see an adventurer more than a villainess.
All her best Golden and Silver age setups had her doing weird shit like Avant Garde body art on the Statue of Liberty or turning Superman into a cat.
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>>133106034
I agree, catwoman fighting criminals is terrible. if she's fighting them because she's ripping them off, I can tolerate it a little more. but adventuress catwoman makes sense too.
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>>133106034
>>133105978
>>133106276
She'll always be a burglar first and foremost, because that's her skillset. And to the extent she does vigilante shit, breaking and entering, stealing, and just stealth in general are always going to be her main approach. The only times I'd see her engaging in direct combat purposely (as opposed to fighting purely out of self-defense) is either because of some personal vendetta (like scarring Carmine Falcone), or on behalf of someone she identifies with, like another woman being assaulted, an orphan, or someone truly destitute. She can never truly be a vigilante like Batman though.
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>>133105691
this is terrible.
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>>133106359
Well it's written for women with mental issues and people who want a story built around a queer relationship between two chicks so yeah...
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>>133090341
>It always amazes me that as much as people praise Brubaker's run for streamlining her character, they ignore how reductive it was in that regard.

Yeah, it’s so insane that a Batman related character remains in Gotham, where most people want her to remain and interact with other Gotham related characters.
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>>133082628
Bisley doesn't get enough love around here.
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>>133106384
it's written by a dude with a lesbian fetish so I doubt those kinds of people will like it.
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>>133090419
You were saying?
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>>133106417
>white hair
>big ears
kinda dig it
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>>133106459
One could only hope it falls flat. I don't have a problem with things being a little cheeky or horny, but when it takes center stage of the action, that's where most people start tuning off I think.
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>>133106419
Idk who this is but it's close enough to Bisley that I'm posting it here.
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>>133082628
Turn her into a furry like BTAS did.
It would be temporary of course (thirty issues maybe) of her trying to find a cure. But it would be a fun ride. As a bonus I would have Batman/Bruce kiss Selina in her cat furry form for extra controversy.
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>>133106565
based
>>133106538
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>>133106399
You missed the point entirely though. She was arguably a less self-sufficient character after Brubaker's run than she was prior. Admittedly it's not entirely his fault, since editorial seemed keen to push her back into the role of Batman's love interest even during his run. The fact remains is that previously there was an attempt to portray her as Batman's equal, and afterwards she became just another ally sequestered in her own compartment of Gotham.
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I did like how she got fat in DKR, Maybe she's always struggled in maintaining her ideal weight?
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Brubarker or something like Taylor's Nightwing (Bruce and her being a couple)
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>>133082628
I'd have her get pregnant with Bruce's kid and then get an abortion.
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>>133106565
thirty issues is a long damn time. That'd be years.
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>>133107705
Telling him about it would be a great way to break up the next wedding.
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>>133109013
Fancy
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>>133106855
More Jonatas
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Her waist is so tiny compared to Batman's.
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Got a new cat today, She's a calico.
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>>133110083
Cute
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>>133082628
I know officially DC says she's supposed to be like 5'7" or something but to me Selina is canonically more smol.
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>>133110095
She's super teeny & shy.
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Yes
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>>133082628
>What would do with a Catwoman comic, /co/?

Realistically nothing. Selina Kyle is an absolutely uninteresting character to me, a little bit repulsive almost, and I don't think anything could be done to make her appeal to me. Even turning the comic into straight up porn wouldn't likely work.
Same applies to Wonder Woman and Poison Ivy.
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>>133112810
lol
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>>133082628
similar to valantine and bubraker runs
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>>133112810
gay pride was a mistake
now you got these metrosexual invalids popping into conversations lto voice their "hot takes" like their opinions matter
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>>133108132
Not if it is double shipped.
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>>133082753
Garbage costume, honestly.
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>>133115345
It's timeless.
Alteast she's not larping as Trinity.
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>>133115345
Its fantastic, but it needs to exist in a world where the color palette compliments it, like the blue/grey Batsuit.
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>>133115432
Pretty high IQ point desu
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>>133082753
Is there any chick who embodied the balloon bosomed, overpermed, boss bitch insanity of the 90's better than Julie Strain?
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>>133115646
I still need to play that Heavy Metal game I downloaded.
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>>133105733
I feel like she should meet (and fuck) Diabolik.
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>>133115979
Unlikely. He can't eat pussy for shit through that thing (unlike Batman)
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>>133115979
>dude lets add another character that tries to get into selina's pants
you'd make for a rather standard (and subpar) catwoman writer.
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>>133115646
Nope. She really was a national treasure.
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>>133082628
I really enjoyed this when I was 13, haven't read anything else.
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>>133117811
literally the only good part was where she fucked bruce.
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>>133117820
I also have not read it since I was 13, but I thought it was really good at the time.
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>>133117820
Kinky
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Yeah he's awesome
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the thigh stripes look good but the belly ones dont
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There can be something so comfy about the way he does fasces
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>>133120443
*faces. Lol.
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>>133120364
He should make the torso stripes longer and move them to the side so they're on her ribs moreso than her belly.
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>>133120443
>ESL dialogue
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>>133120518
It shows, doesn't it?
I've found it kind of endearing at this point.
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>>133120969
sort of
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>>133121127
What does she taste like, bros?
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>>133121423
what did he mean by this

also why do twitterfags hate this guy now?
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>>133084034
Why is she so perfect, /co/?
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>>133121407
source?
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>>133083593
Not a fan of this design.
The blue with the michael Keaton logo and chunky belt looks whack
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>>133121390
tfw no crazy klepto cat gf lusting after me
>>133121657
otto schmidt
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>>133121701
agree.
that design with mazzuchelli bat would be perfect
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>>133121323
Fish and expensive wine.

>>133121657
Otto Schmidt.
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>>133121971
is this an old character? seems weird that she didn't kick his ass desu
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>>133117820
Can you recommend me a better Catwoman run then?
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>>133122089
the recent Ram V run is decent... the run after it not so much. been awhile since I've read the brubaker run but I think it was also decent except for the fetish for old men writers seemed to have had back then. the run after it, again, not so good.
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>>133122089
The '93 run, up to #77. It gets tons of flack now because of the art style, but it's a fun romp.
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>>133083607
>sex appeal more contemporary
>shaves the sides of her head
>dyes mohawk multiple colors
>lacks most makeup
>starts using different pronouns
>was always secretly bi-sexual
Are you sure you want this?
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>>133084034
Finally a man with some taste in this thread.
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>>133122505
thanks friends
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>>133088059
They can have sex, that's not a problem for DC. Since they never actually show them having sex, it's just implied for those who want them to be banging.
Batman can't eat pussy though. DC has a real problem with that.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/dc-stopped-batman-from-performing-oral-sex-on-catwoman/
>"...in this third season of 'Harley' [when] we had a moment where Batman was going down on Catwoman," Halpern said. "And DC was like, 'You can't do that. You absolutely cannot do that.' They're like, 'Heroes don't do that.'"
>Halpern discovered the main reason why the comic book giant won't let Batman perform oral sex on Catwoman.
>"So, we said, 'Are you saying heroes are just selfish lovers?' They were like, 'No, it's that we sell consumer toys for heroes. It's hard to sell a toy if Batman is also going down on someone.'"
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>>133122579
>DC: "Heroes don't eat pussy"
So that's the reason Harley still hasn't gone 100% hero yet, I see
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>>133122579
>they never actually show them having sex
it's been rather explicitly shown a few times now
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Outside of continuity 6 issue miniseries that uses picrel's idea again(Catwoman v2 #89). Selina starts the comic as a solo mission to steal an ancient cat statue(always the main goal), but it's also a deep dive into her history. All the way back to the start to find her best stories, biggest mistakes, any side-characters(Holly, Harley, Ivy, Birds of Prey, members of the Bat-Family, to name a few of the obvious). All flashbacks/backstory are done in a style like the DCAU, and the current timeline is done in a style like Alex Ross.
Then use aspects of those stories to either draw parallels to how Selina's currently acting or show that she's learned from her past's errors and how she dealing with or avoided them this time. The majority of the fun of the style switching between DCAU and Alex Ross happens here. Combine that with the side-characters helping/hindering her progress through her current heist.
Batman is only mentioned on the last panel of the first page of issue one. He doesn't show up until exactly halfway through, for only one panel. He says something cryptic, we won't understand what it means, until near the end of the final issue. Where we see Batman one last time. The lines he said were a warning to stop the heist, because he's been through all those stories, first hand. He already saw this current heist coming. It shouldn't be a red herring at all, if you've also read the relevant comics, and are willing to put a bit of thought in, you'll be able to understand Batman right away, even if you won't be able to predict the specifics of the rest of the story. Once you've read the story, on a reread, the Batman line will also make sense from just the pages of this story. It's just there to be a fun Easter Egg for dedicated Catwoman fans and not the key to understanding the true story hidden in a code.
Turns out the goal was never to steal it for herself, but returning it to the proper owners, surprising even Batman as the final panel.
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>>133082628
damn she's hot
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International thief, con-woman etc. Catches the feels sometimes and gets involved. Have her planning heists, screwing people, screwing over people. Sometimes she is playing socialite, sometimes she is infiltrating something else. Play her off with some characters maybe have a full on multi stage heist. Then mix up the format.
>Catwoman is trying to case some mansion by ingratiating herself into it.
>Someone gets murdered.
>Turns into an Agatha Christie Whoddunit where she is trying to avoid suspicion.
But get her out of Gotham.
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>>133122604
Heheh. Or the Joker for that matter
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>>133121448
>Twitterfags hate this guy
What?
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>>133122579
He does in the Snyder cut tho
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>>133124240
This will always be one of my fave portraits of her.
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>>133082628
Catwoman vs. Joe Exotic and Carole Baskin
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>>133122895
I like this.
She loves to steal, but because of the thrill of it, not greed.
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>>133084034
I know she's corseted to hell in that suit but HHHHNNNNNNNGGGGGG
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>>133121971
Tmw Catwoman gets into a swordfight with Ozzy Osbourne
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>>133085264
that leg position makes no sense

those faces are moon over june tier
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>>133101846
>quiet or papa spank!
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>>133127610
it's not trying to be a picture you jerk off to, it's trying, effectively, to capture the playful nature of their relationship
A grown man and a grown women, but it's like the boy chasing the girl around the playground
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>>133128495
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>>133129651
These covers are great
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Catwoman gets fucked up so much they should just give her a healing factor
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>>133130442
My girl can take a lickin and keep on tickin
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>>133129913
Ikr. DC really needs to up their writing game. Their writers don't deserve this art honestly. Just look at Tom King and Clay Mann.
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>tini howard working on harley
is selina free?
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>>133130475
I love clay mann and his cake
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>>133130493
Not yet. Is Selina's book getting a new writer?
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I hope so. can't believe such an awful writer can get so many gigs
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>>133130573
Clay Mann is awesome. He's the king of horny.
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>>133130954
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RIP Naya Rivera
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Nobody ever seems to talk about Catwoman: Hunted.
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>>133131476
Casting Elizabeth Gillies to voice Selina was inspired.
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>>133131841
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>>133131938
Yikes.
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>>133131438
Never watching this.
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>>133132159
just the right amount of crazy imo
kind of like Blade Runner girl and this chick who does stripper moves in a Cat mask
https://youtu.be/U7hL2MzLdD8
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>>133131841
>>133131938
>>133132159
Ok guys. Hear me out.
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>>133126839
Thanks, I thinking fun adventure heist, and that Catwoman issue I mentioned. I then took the ending of Two Of A Kind, and how Batman is only at the end to take him to Arkham. Catwoman was around since the Golden Age, so if I made it out of continuity, I could go through her entire publishing history, and tell a story that highlights the best and worst moments of all her different iterations. With that I finally had the reason for the DCAU style flashbacks.
Because Batman is going to appear, I wanted there to be something for the Bat-Fans. I know one of my biggest complaints is the detective work is lacking. I wanted the reader to be able to solve a mystery, if they chose to or even realized it was possible, but I didn't want to punish new readers who hadn't read every Catwoman story. That's why much of the story is referencing her past, so when you get to the halfway point, you're already steeped in Selina's history. Because it's a 6 issue story, that gives readers a month to notice that what Batman said can be currently solved, before issue 4 is released. The reader who doesn't notice there's a mystery to solve will just see the DCAU moments tying into the current heist story, and won't feel like they're missing something.
And then I'm a fan of the idea of ending on a high note. She's stolen the ancient cat statue. You see her walking down an alley with the statue, it's early evening. Batman is on the rooftops, watching. He's getting ready to arrest her, and return the stolen statue, when you see Selina entering a building. The reader/Batman's thinking "What's she doing with the statue/who is she selling it to?" and that's when we see Selina returning it to the descendants of the original creators. You see Selina leaving the building, revealing that they've actually been in Egypt for all the post-heist story, and it closes on Batman's happily surprised face, that Catwoman was using her criminal history to better the world.
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>>133132301
for me its
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why
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>>133130820
>>133130842
Agreed, he deserves so much better than terrible Tom King scripts that should be burned by a half-competent editor.
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>>133132682
Step aside, plebs
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>>133133880
Tom King must have some real glownigger shit on DC to get them to sign off on something like this.
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>>133132990
Wtf is this even from??
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>>133133381
Harley you bitch
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>>133134101
Or whoever that is
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>>133133880
I'm so tired of seeing people cry about this
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>>133132468
Fuckin high effort. I like it. You should write it and at the very least sit on it until the copyright expires and both Batman and Catwoman are in the public domain. Then publish it.
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>>133134072
It's from one of Chaykin's Batbooks
Deals with pre-war American/Kraut relations and Batman wanting to stop Adolf but not being able to because of the themes seen in that page
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>>133134399
Thanks. It started as just a few throwaway lines.
>do that catwoman comic with the DCAU artwork used to pitch a tv show
>make it a catwoman story about stealing, instead of harley
I fixed some spelling errors, added a bit for clarity. The next thing I realized, I was 300 letters over the character limit(which happened for 4 of my posts about it).
People always say that there's too many Joker stories and not enough Riddler stories. I'm not smart enough to write a great Riddler story(or at least it would take significantly longer to write, because I'd want the reader to be able to solve the actual mystery along the way). I figured I'm smart enough to write a great Catwoman story though, and can write a sliver of a mystery.
The ending was the toughest part for me to be happy with. It was going to end with Batman arresting her and returning the ancient cat statue, but it didn't make sense in my mind, to give this Catwoman story an ending with Batman saving the day. I went out of my way to make Batman only have a minor role, so I didn't like my original idea to have him stop her. That was just the kneejerk reaction to what would happen, "and then Batman swoops in at the end, saving the day". Like the Chase Me short ends.
Then I was workshopping the Chase Me ending for this ending, with Catwoman giving Batman a kiss in the final panel, him blushing, and the frame of the panel is a heart. I really thought that was a fun way to end it, but I wasn't having Batman play a romantic role in this comic. I also couldn't figure out how to get them to the kiss, without just doing something similar to what Chase Me already did. I know that this history is there, but I didn't want Selina doing things that only made sense to long time fans. I want new readers to be able to read it, see some of her greatest hits, to get them interested in her history. Happily surprised Batman is a great moment to end on, as the reader is thinking the same thing as Batman.
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>>133135192
I will actually write this. I don't know how to draw beyond stick figures, and I've never scripted a comic before. I can write a proper short story though, so that's what it will eventually become. Shame that it would lose the DCAU/Alex Ross art switching, unless I can trick someone into drawing for me. I wouldn't be opposed to learning how to script a comic, but at the same time, illustrated short stories already exist. An illustrated short story wouldn't have as much style switching, but you could still replicate it somewhat, by just having the illustration being the majority of the page, during certain parts. At the very least, I'd really like drawings of all the characters to have the relevant DCAU/Alex Ross style versions, to allow the reader to imagine it. It's going to take quite some time to write this, just reading through every Catwoman story since 1939 and taking notes, will take awhile. I'm not aware of if she's ever been an important part of any of DC's big crises or events, but I feel like including references to those would likely only detract from the overall story(unless there's something that's actually important/interesting that I couldn't not talk about). I'd probably start by writing the very beginning, very middle, and very end early on. Get the Batman parts written, so I can keep those moments in mind, while writing the rest, insuring that the lines Batman says in the middle work within the story. I know how tempting it will be, to just drop the Easter Egg mystery idea completely. So I really want to give it my best shot, before doing the unthinkable, and deleting it entirely. Luckily, since it's never going to be a real comic, I get to write and rewrite it a dozen times or more, so there's always going to be more time to refine the Easter Egg mystery.
I'd want there to be a list of all the comics/cartoons that I referenced and were inspired by, allowing readers to go see the originals for themselves.
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>>133082628
Turn her back into a femme-fatale supervillainess. None of this "Robin Hood" crap.
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>>133136393
she was barely ever a villain and there's no need for regression.
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>>133136393
God, shut up.
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>>133132682
Why would you disgrace this thread with such a cursed image?
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>>133137171
nigga what
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>>133082628
Nothing
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>>133137834
It's a really bad 'shop, bro.
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>>133136393
>back
She never was a supervillainess. Femme fatale maybe. But never a true villain.

Pretty sure Black Mask was the only person she's ever really killed, and that was out of a vendetta as I recall.
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>>133135209
I like the idea of putting your references in at the end. That's coold
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>>133140340
I thought Newgrounds was dead?
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>>133140340
That back tho.
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>>133140985
Why did they ruin The Long Halloween?
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>>133141010
I have no idea. I only watched the Catwoman parts.
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>>133141068
They ruined her.
Just the basic bitch black suit.
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I guess she's just stuck in being a Trinity clone now, Like how She-Hulk can only be Ally McBeal.
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>>133141126
The suit ruins.
I feel bad for Tim Sale.
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>nobody has posted this gif yet
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>>133142739
Catwoman has some fucking abs
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>>133144706
>R as in Robin
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>>133144706
does harley know bruce is batman?
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>>133144933
A
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>>133144914
I feel like she's not really paying attention here.
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>>133145203
This is kinda sweet.
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>>133145203
What ish is this from?
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>>133145203
tiny
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>>133145893
smol
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>>133096759
>This is what a 33 year old woman's body looked like in 1966.
I hate this fucking world.
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>>133146017
Know your standards, gentlemen
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>>133146414
Provided they didn't fuck this up, I'd like to see DC do an animated version of this. Or if they're doing Reevesverse spinoff series on HBO, do one with Zoe Kravitz.
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>>133146561
just not the tini howard version.
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>>133147020
I gotta get back into drawing
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>>133148928
hey
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>>133149127
>Catwoman discovers hentai
lel
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>>133088283
So Gotham Pleasantville?
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>>133151722
I really like this style
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>>133082628
I'd make an entire comic where cat's 9 lives will be a parallel on her cheating with Bruce while he doesn't know with 8 different guys. The point is that women are whores.
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>>133153272
ebin simply ebin
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>>133149127
>>133150327

She's in canon done "worse" then what she's probably reading.
The surprised by KURAZY!!! sex thing only works if the character in question isn't.....you know...a whore.

It's like starfire acting wierded out by a tasteful nude.
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>>133153448
Nah she wasn't a prossie in this continuity. And even if she was around it, the types of shit folks got up to in her orbit weren't nearly as degen as that tentacle shit.
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>>133156365
Damn son. Selina is on the sauce here.
I like the way he does her face tho.
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>>133159181
Who did this?
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>>133160597
Black > Green > Purple
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>>133160597
>>133160987
Black > Purple > Green
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>>133152137
Shame about the writing in this one. It had such a good cover.
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>>133162445
I enjoyed it more when I just thought of it as the edgy grimdark elseworld that it is. would prefer a second, disconnected volume written by someone else though.
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>>133159189
Heon-Wa Choe/Kilart
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>>133162664
Yeah me too. Bat/Cat stuff needs to have a sense of fun and playfulness about it that Tom King just can't handle.

The art is so good tho that someone should just re-write all the dialouge in the bubbles and have it be a completely different story with all the same images.
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>>133164058
>fun and playfulness
that's what I thought it would be going into it, fun adventures or something. didn't even know who king was when I picked it up
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I'm sick of this limiting runs to one set theme shit. I'd send her across the world for my run but do street-level underworld heists, tombs/dig sites, museums, and corporations. She'd just go back to loving the thrill of the heist.
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>>133164356
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>>133164280
Tom King physically can't bring himself to write that way. He's comitted himself to this idea that Bruce and Selina's relationship has to be on this operatic scale with all these intense emotions and drama and shit, but in reality, it has never been anything like that.

Selina started as a flirty punctuation Batman's character arc that, while it could be fun and lighthearted in its own right, has always had an air of brooding darkness about it. And ever since then, whenever Bruce and Selina have actually worked as a couple, she's always made the situation a bit more lighthearted. That's why the visual aesthetics from late 50's/early 60's romcoms have so often woven their way into the art from their runs. There should always be space for elements of films like Charade or To Catch a Thief in their stories. Not all this mopey shit.
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>>133164641
they can have serious moments just none of this angsty shit
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>>133083000
Everything since is derivate of it
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>>133165169
Oh for sure. The angsty shit is why Bruce and Talia don't work out, among other reasons
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>>133128495
I get it, really I do, but I don't see how the legs being suggestively up in the air actively fighting rocket powered levels of physics is supposed to convey that more than if they were in a more logical position.

idk maybe my tism is getting in the way here
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>>133166342
Based
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>>133166342
flossing the cooch
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>>133167844
they should make catwoman a member of the justice league
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>>133167844
Damn I was still hoping I could read through this thread while it was still active
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>>133167973
I prefer her being an outsider that bruce brings in to help when need be



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