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Why do Death Battle and vs wiki label Batman and Harley as only peak human? They have shown multiple times that they can handle planetary beings. The only people to steal a Grean Lantern ring, override a character baseline immunite, and have respect from Darkseid live in Gotham.
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>>132200149
Because Death Battle's gimmick is having the less popular one win.
Biggest example is Goku vs Superman.
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>>132200149
Because (at least in VSBW's case), they view those as usually being outliers. Not even remotely the character's usual set up. Even then for some like Batman, they give him solar system level stuff with prep and his suits (which is typically the case in the comics themselves).

With Death Battle, it's pretty much entirely what >>132200179. There are a handful of exceptions, but it's mostly that.
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>>132200149
That's either bad writing or "Batman got Superman's powers for one day" moments
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>>132200149
Bad writing
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>>132200149
What?
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>>132200179
Goku finally won a death battle?
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Imaging Cu Chulainn (Lancer) in Death Battle, and the Death Battle crew having to explain the luck stat if Gae Bolg hits or not.
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>>132200149
DC writing is inconsistent as fuck so who cares?
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>>132200149
Harely isn't peak human, she is a (very) low level metahuman with three separate and distinct set of powers:

1: Pain resistance via Joker venom
2: Toxin resistance via Ivy
3: Minor enhanced strength and durability via Ivy, like maybe half a Steve Rogers.
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>>132202266
This.
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>>132200179
Superman shitstomps Goku
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>>132204237
Nuke level...
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>>132200149
Because they're hypocrites.

They claim to use maxwank version for all characters but the character they don't like gets the shaft.

It's just fanfiction and favoritism. It always has been.
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>>132204260
Low ends?
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>>132204291
Why did they reject Batman's high ends?
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>>132204291
Nuke level isn't even a low end.
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>>132200179
>Superman
>less popular than some gook character only virgins know exists
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>>132202249
>Has an undodgeable weapon
>Only uses that ability once
>Then chucks it as Archer so he can pull out his shield for a cool scene instead of breaking the rules of physics and goring him temporally

Gigachad
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>>132204321
And what does Goku have?
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>>132200149
i never liked Batman (and by extension his powered rogues) being a super human ultra martial artist badass anyway. i vastly prefer the adam west version
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>>132204379
>Superman
>less popular than some gook character only virgins know exists
Hm...
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>>132204494
what went wrong?
>>132204379
Superman isn't "popular", he's known, which is more meaningful than being popular. but then again, Goku is also known
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>>132204530
>which is more meaningful than being popular.
It's not.

Popular means people are buying it.

Known means nothing.
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>>132202248
Nope superman is still irrelevant
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>>132204603
I'm not a materialist.
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>>132204494
That's nice and all but ask your grandma if she knows who Goku is because I promise you, she knows who Superman is.

>>132204530
Superman isn't "popular", he's known, which is more meaningful than being popular. but then again, Goku is also known
Superman is still in major blockbusters and tv shows. Goku is stuck in manga and cartoons that nobody who has a sex life gives a shit about.
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>>132200179
But Dio beat Alucard. Zoomies don't even know the latter exists.
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>>132204649
WTF does having sex have to do with anything? Superman is carried by his brand. Goku is not.
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>>132204494
Okay, now go out and ask one hundred people if they know about Goku or Superman.
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>>132202249
They would just put him against someone who could survive being killed.
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>>132204668
>WTF does having sex have to do with anything?
People who have sex don't watch anime.

>Superman is carried by his brand. Goku is not
Yes, Superman's brand is more popular than Goku's. That's the point.
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>>132204649
>That's nice and all but ask your grandma if she knows who Goku is because I promise you, she knows who Superman is.
Does she give a shit about Superman? No? Then who cares?
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>>132204688
Says the comic book fan...
Batman is more popular than Goku. That's it.
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>>132204668
>Superman is carried by his brand. Goku is not.
What? If you ask someone about DC the first thing they're going to think about is Superman, it won't be the other way around.
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out of touch superman fans attribute purpose to him that he doesn't have again huh? he's a crappy brand, nothing more.
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>>132204699
>Says the comic book fan...
Comics are ultra mainstream now.

>Batman is more popular than Goku. That's it.
So is Superman. And Spider-man. And Wolverine. And Hulk. And Iron Man. And Thor. And Wonder Woman. And the list goes on.
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>>132204681
>Okay, now go out and ask one hundred people if they know about Goku or Superman.
Will this change the fact that there aren't even 40,000 people in the world that are willing to pick up a new Superman comic?

All your argument amounts to is that Superman is like Hitler, known but not popular.
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>>132204649
>Goku is stuck in manga and cartoons
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>>132204712
This has nothing to do with what I said, you're judging Goku by Superman's metric in the way I framed it.
>>132204721
>>132204494
No, no, no, no, no, no and hell no.
Batman is special in that he's carried by the brand AND he's popular.
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>>132204742
Goku beats movie Superman before Z even begins.

What now?
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>>132204742
Wow, a whole 100 million? Damn. How will capeshit ever recover...
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>>132204742
>Animated movie
Superpets is what 23 million?

Guess DBZ spanks DC in the animation department pretty hard, huh?
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>>132204752
>No, no, no, no, no, no and hell no.
Batman is special in that he's carried by the brand AND he's popular.

Go outside, dude. There are tons of kids wearing Superman shirts. Nobody wears DB apparel.
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>>132204731
So what you're saying is that Superman, by default, is simply more recognizable compared to Shitku?

>>132204752
>Batman is special in that he's carried by the brand AND he's popular.
When was the last time to talked to anyone about comics or the like? It seems as though your opinion is being formulated by a lack of social interaction and general knowledge of what others enjoy.
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>>132204795
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>>132204795
They wear the brand.
>>132204837
It seems like you two are projecting
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>>132204837
If Superman can't even sell comics then he's worthless.

If money is put into marketing him and putting him in the public conscious and he still can't sell comics then he's a failure as a brand.

Even the $100 million grossing Broly movie is more popular than Superman.
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>The only Superman popular enough to have his own on-going comics.
Oh no Clarkcucks we're being replaced
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tardkusisters... SuperChad are btfoing us again...
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>>132204933
>Going by the old movie sales
>When SUPERPETS is already mogging Gohan's Shitvie
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl902333185/weekend/
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl902333185/weekend/
Dragon Cocks are LOSING to animals, what do you have to say about this?
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>>132205061
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8912936/?ref_=bo_se_r_1
Ignore me accidentally posting the same movie twice.
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>>132205061
not that anon; I'd venture to say it's expected that a heavily advertised hollywood movie for infants grosses more than a dragon ball movie that decided to be pretentious
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>People using manga that ended 30 years ago...
ngmi
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why IS manga selling more than comic books these days?
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>>132205182
Because people just want good stories. And manga are better written.
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>>132205174
Superman isn't even going to be around in 20 years, but even if he was there are going to be 1000 manga characters more popular than him.
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>>132205182
Because manga has loli cunny and shota willy.
Totally not because comics screwed themselves over with licensing agreements that basically say you can’t sell them in corner stores but now have to look for extremely overpriced floppies that are nonetheless tiny and cover 1/9000th of an overall storyarc in designated Comic Book Shops.
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>>132205182
Manga is not really popular, it just have a one to one animated adaptation. If anime never existed nobody will care about Manga. It's just a lot more accessible in general.
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>>132205275
Capefags will blame everything except the writing...
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>>132205301
>Manga is not really popular,
Are you high?

Manga sells over 10 times more than capeshit. >>132204494
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>>132205301
>If anime never existed nobody will care about Manga.
Superheroes movies exist and sell a lot more than anime...and still manga is shitting on comics.
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>>132200179
>Superman is less popular than Goku
Only on worthless shitholes like Beanerland
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>>132205327
It sells becuase it has an perfect anime adaptation and people don't want to wait for a year to complete the story. If an MCU fan try to read a comic they will be confused and drop the book.
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>>132205344
Can you recommend me a popular superhero movie that is accurate to a comic story?
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>>132205358
why the racism?
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>>132205212
Makes sense... a mangaka makes the characters and writes the whole story, but comic book writers are stuck with characters that have existed for up to several decades and are only a link in the chain all things considered.
>>132205275
? The most popular manga don't sell because of loli and shota I'm pretty sure.
>>132205301
Not what I asked, stop acting shellshocked about manga
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>>132205390
V for Vendetta.
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>>132200179
>>132204494
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>>132205182
I like medieval magic fantasy games? There’s manga for that, and anime too.
I like post-apocalyptic cyberpunk? There’s manga for that, and anime too.
I like space mecha? There’s manga for that, and anime too.
I like stories about tan buff female P.E. teachers bullying an underage student they have a crush on because they used to be childhood friends and also they do watersports and exhibitionism? There’s manga for that, and anime too.

I’m an American and I want something that isn’t superheroes? Well then I’m fucked because superheroes are the only thing that ever gets content anymore.
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>>132205417
>why the racism?
Because Superman fans are easily offended racists.
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>>132205463
Even manga does Superheroes better than DC.

My Hero Academia and One Punch Man is outselling any DC title.
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>>132205182
With a manga, it takes me about ten seconds to find the continuation of a character's story. With a comic, I have to look for an hour if I want to continue reading about one specific character. Manga's are just more accessible.
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On the topic of what the thread says, Superman's not really all that relevant but he just exists as a pop culture icon like Popeye or Garfield. Not a lot of people care much for the new shit, but he still exists in the osmosis anyways.
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>>132205572
Garfield gets far more fancontent now than Superman
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>>132200149
>Harley Quinn
Weak.
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Why manga is winning.

- Greater selection of genres
- Iconic and inspirational artstyle
- Consistent art and storytelling
- Likable characters
- Innovative and creative stories
- Has a continuity / events matter
- Is an epic saga
- Easy to get into
- Easy to follow
- Doesn't cross-reference to unrelated stories
- Doesn't reboot every other year
- Not political
- Affordable
- Has growing online communities
- Writers don't insult fans on social media
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>>132205714
>Not political
I know when you say political you don't mean the discussion of governance and what we should do to change society. Political to you is about blacks or LGBT existing and manga have plenty of that.
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>>132205714
>Likable characters
>Iconic and inspirational art style
>Events matter
>Easy to follow
Here you go.
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>>132205817
>occasional light hearted tranny joke
>"it's the same"
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>>132205817
>Political to you is about blacks or LGBT existing and manga have plenty of that.
>n-nooo they're just existing literally nothing else whatsoever!!
Why does not one complain about manga being woke then you retard? Maybe because it's more than that and you know it
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>>132200149
Comic book characters can't be said to be strong because their power levels change every other issue. Sometimes Superman considers nukes deadly and strains himself to lift building sized objects and sometimes he can survive a supernova and overpower the weight of the earth for several days. Sometimes Batman considers sharp wooden sticks and wildlife deadly and sometimes he can hurt bulletproof guys who can lift tens of tons. If it were up to me they'd both be grounded. Batman is competent against gimmicky gangs but in well over his head against international criminal organizations that go back to before the freaking industrial revolution on logistics alone. Superman should be around the planet earth's threshold and the speed of light
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>>132206005
goodness gracious is this from the harley quinn cartoon?
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>>132205182
Singular vision
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>>132205817
This is fucking stupid dude.

No one gives a shit about different races, genders or sexualities existing. That's not what it's about.

It's about baseless ideologies and struggles demonizing the core reader-base (straight white men) for their race, gender and sexuality, or for not voting for the "better" political party.
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>>132206005
Is there even a place where you can complain about Manga being woke? /a/ will ban you on the spot, anti-woke YouTubers see wokeness as an attack on western civilization, reddit will be on topic with shitty meme.
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The guy who gets undersold by idiots. Name it
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>>132206337
Goku.
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>>132206715
What can Goku do?
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>>132206756
His clash with Beerus almost broke the universe but I have my coping headcanons about that. He's probably faster than light, at the very least he's much faster than lightning bolts in his base.
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>>132200149
Because bullshit writing shouldn't be taken into account. It's like saying Catwoman can beat the flash.
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Every single fight except for Goku vs Superman and Ben vs Hal is wrong
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>>132207144
Those were wrong too anon...
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>>132206839
He’s been faster than light since DB
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>>132207171
Yeah, wrong in how much of a stomp they were
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>>132200179
This. Its for the shock/outrage clicks. Just like any SJW news article really.
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>>132205817
You realized both of those villains have mental illness right?
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>>132204619
not when the death battle came out though
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>>132207379
>Zero lightspeed feats
His best speed is hypersonic.

>>132206839
Any logical person can tell that the universe clash was a result of Beerus's destructive energy, hence why it was never recreated when other characters stronger than God Goku clashed AND why Beerus and Champa simply arguing was enough to be a universal threat.
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>>132206195
>reddit will be on topic with shitty meme.
explain now
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>>132207660
Wat
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Popeye vs Asterix is more fair
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>>132204688
People who have sex don't read capeshit comics. Also, anime website. Don't like it? Fucking leave, newfag.
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Godzilla? Weak
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>>132207379
DBS unironically nerfed the verse
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>>132206005
>Why does not one complain about manga being woke then you retard?
Because the average weeb know nothing about Japanese politics or history and they only watch seasonal anime and modern creators are afiliated to the Japanese far right
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>>132210580
Whatever, honestly. Not my problem
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>>132207660
I'm not banking on the destruction. As you say, it was obviously because of Beerus. But the shockwaves themselves still went FAR. The feat, if you use logic, is at least galactic in scale, which seems fair to me for Dragon Ball since galactic destruction is treated as some monstrous power level even in the current meta
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>>132207379
I'd say he's been FTL since Buu but before that? Come on now. Light is a huge threshold. That's only in the battleboarding meta though. Functionally, Dyspo is the first FTL'er
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>>132205212
>And manga are better written.
Nah, it's just that manga gives them what the people want (even if it isn't what the creators want themselves)
While comics tell people what they want is wrong and THIS is what they want instead. Basically pic related.
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>>132204664
which Alucard?
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>>132211795
>The feat, if you use logic, is at least galactic in scale
Now this I can buy.

>>132211814
I remember how someone argued that Goku and Hit were FTL because they were "reacting" to Dyspo's speed, when he was utterly shitting on them even before he transformed. I wonder if those people also believe in universal base form Gohan.
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>>132211854
He's talking about Hellsing Alucard
>>132204664
surely gen z's know Hellsing abridged through dragon ball abridged
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>>132211795
DB multipliers don't make their ki stronger
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>>132204619
R E N T F R E E
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>>132204436
>>132204260
>goku gets hurt by bullets and rocks
cool
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>>132200179
Fpbp
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>>132212592
how does this address anything he said
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>>132204379
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>>132204664
False
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>>132212835
>jewish empowerment fantasy
this is the one that stings the most, good grief
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>>132205877
Shit taste
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>>132200149
Okay now measure their feats without the painful obvious wank then we can talk
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>>132200179
Dbtards minds break when goku loses to another character. I get it goku is cool but you gotta accept that some characters bet him in fight guys
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>>132212835
Hahahahahaha no. Leave, 90s kid
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This is how I like Harley
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>>132200149
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>>132213515
Of course
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>>132209819
Godzilla's reputation mostly comes from contractual agreements. Toho basically says that "If you want to cross over with him you have to bend the knee and let him shit all over your characters."
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>>132213686
They were fighting under red sunlight so Superman didn't have access to his superpowers, it was just raw skill vs raw skill.

Even though Harley is 5'7" and weighs 140 lbs, she is a better fighter than Superman. Without his superpowers Superman is nothing.
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>>132214609
I think his build says otherwise
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>>132214662
Well Harley kicked his ass twice in that arena in unrelated comics.
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>>132214738
Yikes
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Y'know, if they do Megamind vs Gru and Gru wins, I'd be ecstatic because it means Schaffrillas fanboy tears
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>>132214767
>Wanting the wrong result because of one retarded fanbase
>Unironically caring for a youtuber's opinion, let alone getting excited for it
Ignoring the fact that MM can reshape Gru into a cube and win instantly, why do you think G-Boy has a chance, other than "le yootuber salt!"
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>>132214960
>Freeze Ray
>Shrink Ray
>Fart Gun
>Cheese Ray
>Laser gun
>Big-ass plasma-sun-ball gun
All of these can either kill or incap MM.
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>>132215046
>Freeze Ray
>Shrink Ray
>Lazer Gun
>Cheese Ray
All get hard countered by Megamind's dehydration gun. There's also the fact that MM fights inside of a mech or machine that protects him 90% of the time, like the Black Mamba, the Metro-Man outfit or the spider mech.
You can also just give him MM powers via allowing him to juice himself up, and that alone would be enough to kill Gru.
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>>132215127
That implies he'd be able to get a shot off when Gru is massively faster.
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>>132215194
When your opponent shouts out the weapon they're going to use, being faster doesn't mean much. MM also most likely has way better reaction time judging from how he managed to defuse Hal before he could get an (already charged up) eye blast out.
You also can't forget how MM has an army of brain bots, two machines capable of going toe-to-toe with Metro-Man level opponents and a suit that would give him Hal level strength and speed. He wouldn't even need to be present in order to take down Gru.
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>>132215372
He does it as he's shooting, and he's a fucking quickdraw with that thing.
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>>132215487
https://youtu.be/FaQCQXkFKhY
He got outsped by a chick casually pulling her flamethrower out, and see the part before about Megamind's reaction speed towards Hal. Gru's saving grace is being able to get in close and just beat on MM, which is either going to result in him getting swarmed by brainbots, crushed by the Black Mamba/ Mega-Megamind, or getting hit with a bait and switch because MM gave a random civilian the Holo-Watch. Megamind can also just use that mace which knocks pretty much everyone out.
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>>132214738
>>132214662
>>132214609
As mentioned before Harely is a low level metahuman, her fighting Clark without his powers is actually grossly unfair.
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>>132215611
He still dodged fucking missiles in slow motion. Plus, if we bring the brainbots in we bring the minions in
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>>132204237
Twice, in fact
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>>132204309
Because they're affected little faggots, like all battleboard troons
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>>132215712
It was in slow motion for added flair, anon. He still gets beaten in reaction speed. Including minions into the equation was never not going to happen, but minions are far inferior to brainbots and only really beat them out in quantity.
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>>132204933
>he thinks comics sell
>he thinks selling comics is the be-all end-all
Just self abort, anon
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>>132208535
lol no
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>>132215841
Don't Minions survive some bullshit and know sonic-boom kung fu?
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>>132208797
/co/pe and seethe, tranime
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You know, sometimes I feel like my biggest issue is that I think everyone else is right about everything. This makes me a shitty VS debater
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Satsuki Kiryuin vs B-Ko Daitokuji
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>>132216110
Dragon Ball is being left behind and as a result is fucking with it's own reputation as something powerful
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>>132216110
Remember that as you're lining up to seethe over SuperCHAD for the 80,000th time, Pedro
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>>132216310
Here's your "SuperCHAD" bro
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>>132216343
His son
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>>132215959
Minions can survive some bullshit, but they're threatened by shit like missiles and some not very impressive weaponry overall. Their durability can handle certain things, but other shit (like missiles going off inside their bodies or the heat of a volcano) is treated as stuff that WILL kill them under ordinary circumstances.
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>>132216343
Seethe and cope
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>>132212627
>ignores ki manipulation
As usual.
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>>132200149
What issue's that Herly thing from?
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>>132216390
Is he not called Superman in the comics?

>>132216422
Coping? I'm laughing at you clowns.
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>>132204237
HAHAHAHHAA!!!!! Good one anon.
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These threads helped me write a story because it gave me the idea to go into the details of what makes the powers of the characters work.
For example, mist isn't very dangerous normally. That is, unless it's being propelled at the speed of sound in a straight line. Each particle becomes like a fucking turbo-bullet
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I hate this show sometimes
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>>132200179
Tbh Goku beating Superman really depends on if ki is recognized as magical by Clark's bioelectric field.
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>>132205182
because comics are hidden away in specialized shop and are steep in convoluted continuity.
Manga have 1 to 1 adaptation that are easy to pick up.
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>>132205463
kind of a moot point when manga would still be outselling superhero comics with just battle shonen
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>>132205463
WRONG
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>>132218455
That doesn't even matter
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>>132218455
It really doesn't.
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>>132218843
They mean "World" as in everything probably
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>>132218878
Do they?
Who the fuck wrote that?
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>>132218878
It was a planet that was destroyed anon....
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>>132218455
Superman can still be beaten to death anon. You just have to the man, really hard and trust me, Son Goku is fantastic at hitting things really.. REALLY fucking hard.
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>>132218939
He can't hit hard enough
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>>132218950
Is that blood?
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>>132219024
And his high ends are?
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>>132200149
>Puts a green bubble around Batman
Batman has literally no counter to this
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>>132205303
That can't be a real page
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>>132219041
>I'm going to ignore canon feats I don't like!
Every time...
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>>132219064
>That can't be a real page
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>>132219080
Right back at ya, buddy
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>>132219107
t.
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>>132219043
His own ring?
Options include:
>green
>yellow
>red
>black
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>>132200149
How does it take more than one team member to take her down?
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>>132219138
You look a little like Darksyde Phil, anon
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>>132219183
NTA, but I'm not sure why you think a "n-no u!!" works here when he's not in favor of capeshit whatsoever, whereas you're the only one arguing for Superman. All you're doing is making yourself look like a retard.
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>>132219219
I'm what?
My only engagement with this anon was remarking on his pic. Are you well, anon?
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>>132214481
Ah like JLA/Avengers
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DCultists... Dragon Bullies are mocking us again...
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>>132200149
>Nate Grey can destroy all the multiverse and hax himself a planck time combat speed
>Ares beat him EZ
>Ares has lost 100% of the times he's fought Thor
>Thor, the guy who has jobbed to street tiers and DIED to electricity, is multiversal
just how much does this nigga hold back????
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>>132219346
Their seethe is eternal and warms our cockles, peon
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>>132219406
pardon?
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132219281
You can move the goalposts as much as you want or deflect with ad-hominem, but your retardation is clear as day.
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>>132219380
Nate Grey is fuck all
Crucial weak link in your logic chain
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>>132219423
Why are you giving (You)'s out like a bitch, anon?
What is this investment, and why does it drive you to unsightly schizophrenia?
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>>132216018
Gamerafag...?
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>>132219446
Literally Sun Man from Mega Man 4
Fuck
All
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>>132219484
>Fuck (damn)
>All (everything)
Don't be a nihilist.
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>>132219480
You're really still hung up about that?
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>>132219531
>no argument
Concession accepted
Nate Grey is fuck all, Ares a weak fag, and Thor an inconsistent mary sue for nancy's. All is right with the world
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>>132219558
>Mutantphobia
>Zeusophobia
Get out.
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Ultraman is stupidly broken honestly.
Helps that he's a better person than most DB fighters ever have been, including Superman. He's just too damn nice
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>>132219549
Of course I'm hung up about the good times
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If someone uses the same shitpost non-response over and over again without any explanation for why their dude wins, they've likely run out of reasons.
Just a neat little tip for you guys
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>>132200149
I think they don't acknowledge fanfic level writing
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>>132219741
Like buzzwords?
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>>132219823
Yep. If someone starts throwing buzzwords and acting smug, they’re out of ideas
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>>132204731
>Superman is like Hitler, known but not popular.
lmao
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>>132204731
Okay that’s kinda funny ngl
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>>132200149
vsbw has base batman at building level.
What the fuck are you talking about.
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>>132218950
>Super Saiyan God Goku's ki control was all out of wack and the blows he was trading with Beerus was shaking the universe
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>>132220121
DB also has Batman at lightning+ speed and nuke tier...
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>>132219936
lol i didn't need to scroll that far up to see a good example of something like that
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>>132200149
Because comic characters are inconsistent as shit and have outliers due to writers not caring about battleboarding
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>>132220489
So? What the fuck is the problem with OP?

neither vsbw or Death Battle has Batman at peak human.
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>>132219380
"Thor holds back" is just a meme Thorfags cling too to excuse his rampant jobbing. Thor had been hitting the ground "with all his might" ever since 60 just to revert to his mortal form, and somehow it never even made a pothole in the ground. And he has, on many occasions, went all out against mortals or straight up attempted to kill them, and most of the time it didn't do him any good.
And at the end of the day "muh holding back" doesn't excuse people hurting, injuring, killing or knocking him out. Can't hold back how tough your jaw is.
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>>132220872
>he has went
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>>132220872
That is a blatant falsity
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>>132220617
I was just reminiscing on how absurd it is
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Based
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>>132221122
Half of these are non-canon. The other half are situational boasts.
Remember when he, pumped full of Odinforce, went all out against Iron Man and didn't fold him instantly? Or maybe 3 or 4 times he admitted he went all out against Hulk and made no headway every time? Or when he tried to kill Crusader because the latter cut his cheek? Let's not forget him trying to kill Red Hulk, killing Kronans in his first appearance, trying to kill Spider-Man and others when he was juiced up on gamma. Hell, one of these panels comes from the issue where he needed to go all out to beat fucking Orka because he was incapable of doing much to him otherwise . And so on and so forth.
Thor ain't shit. Time to accept this.
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>>132221122
Sounds like Thor is a huge windbag. Every villain of the week must have heard his "I hold back no longer" spiel by now.
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>>132218843
Which is the being?
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Anyways. Just to close the stupid Goku vs Superman debate for the thread.

Goku can beat Clark to death in several incarnations and get the shit kicked out of him from some others, and some supermen range from planetary (or lower) to multiversal (or higher) depending on the writer at the time.

(Ex. Post Crisis fucking crying tryin to hold back a miniscule black hole when also tanking supernovas and fighting multiversal busters.)

Goku on the other hand, is more consistent with less outliers in general.
Super Anime Goku ranges from infinite 3D power (Jiren shaking the world of void) to 4D Timeline busting (superior to infinite zamasu via statements and scaling to beerus.) to Low Multiversal (If we consider U7 to have several space-times within itself in Red God Goku vs Beerus)

If Goku wins or not, it depends on which feats are being allowed for superman and which superman we are talking about.
In short, if your superman is below universal consistently, is below septillion times ftl+ and has no counter to invisible ki blasts, he IS gonna die.
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>>132221490
>Goku on the other hand, is more consistent with less outliers in general.
>
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>>132221524
Not only it is adressed that Goku's durability goes down when he is not on guard, i can name 3 times superman has not been consistent for every since common instance of Goku being hurt by weak stuff.

1.- Rock by krillin
2.- Laser from Frieza minion
3.- Hurt by bullet from robbers
4- lifting 40 tons
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>>132219558
>Thor an inconsistent mary sue for nancy's.
I think the term is power stu.
>>132220872
>ever since 60 just to revert to his mortal form, and somehow it never even made a pothole in the ground.
All his might doesn't mean all his power.
Like I can punch you a bag with my might, my energy, but not my full strenght.
>And at the end of the day "muh holding back" doesn't excuse people hurting, injuring, killing or knocking him out. Can't hold back how tough your jaw is.
Sometimes you hold back your full invulnerability
>>132221355
He did defeat Juggernaut here without holding back, the reason Cain isn't a bloody meat piece is for his dimensional force field
>>132221319
>Half of these are non-canon. The other half are situational boasts.
That's a seethe and cope, it's official and canon.
>Remember when he, pumped full of Odinforce, went all out against Iron Man and didn't fold him instantly? Or maybe 3 or 4 times he admitted he went all out against Hulk and made no headway every time? Or when he tried to kill Crusader because the latter cut his cheek? Let's not forget him trying to kill Red Hulk, killing Kronans in his first appearance, trying to kill Spider-Man and others when he was juiced up on gamma. Hell, one of these panels comes from the issue where he needed to go all out to beat fucking Orka because he was incapable of doing much to him otherwise . And so on and so forth.
That's more crossovers writer needing to nerf Thor to shill their favourite shitty heroes.
For example in solos Superman can defeat an alien invasion by himself while in crossovers Batman bests Superman in everything and is better than the whole JL because the writer hates JL and loves Batman.
Same thing with Ghost rider.
Crossovers make "I can survive penance stare" unaware of how it works to boost their heroes than in the case can be Punisher or more recently Carol.
Crossovers vs solos is all what this is.
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>>132221319
>>132221355
Why do Thor's detractors exude so much seethe and cope?
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out of curiosity i checked vsbattles' thor profile
he is now even stronger, "low multiversal" and "immeasurable" lifting strength LMAO
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>>132206067
This is also right before he gave his life to let his wife live life again. And she immediately forgot he existed and became the supervillain bicycle.
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>>132221824
"Up to Low Mutiversal"
"Up to Inmesurable"

I hate vsbw as much as any other guy.

But you did not read the fucking profile, they clearly adress that Thor can be weaker in some instances.
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>>132221677
The Ghost Rider thing is especially retarded because it makes the Penance Stare worthless against the exact sort of people it's meant to be used against.
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>>132221319
You don't want to be an absurd lowballer with a cape comic high tier just because he's the designated worf of the old guard of a big team especially if deathbattle goes to great lengths to bloat power levels and so do the locals of these threads
>overpowers the World Engine, bringing Ragnarok to a halt (Yggdrasil has infinite universes; Ragnarok is an omniversal event under Ewing)
>along with some chick and the Silver Surfer, brings to a momentary halt a conflict that would've destroyed all of creation (omniverse by DB standards)
>Sentry could contain a cosmic cube (omniversal by DB standards), Thor killed him (they scaled him to Sentry in the vs Vegeta episode)
>bests Mephisto and Hela in Hell and Hel respectively (Hela vs Mephisto would've caused "omniversal armageddon" according to Mephisto)
>his godly energies channeled through Mjolnir made Galactus flee
>Godblast punched a hole through Zelia (Odin tier at the time)
>Scarlet Witch (whom DB made multiversal unamped) admitted she can't brute force Thor
>Mjolnir disabled Juggernaut's force field (which took a godblast point blank)
>death battle casually said he has infinite lifting strength
>consistently matches Heracles in CQC (Herc lifted a universe)
>(bit vague but for the sake of completion) Jormungandr was long enough to extend from Asgard to Earth, Thor overpowered and ragdolled him (DB already took this as a valid feat by using Jormungandr's planetary size, don't whine)
>Thor Corps kept the multiverse from collapsing in on itself
>Thor KO'd the Phoenix who, funnily enough, can collapse the multiverse in on itself (confirmed by Hickman and accepted by DB)
>stomped a mudhole in Adam Warlock twice (the soul gem which empowers Adam contains an entire multiverse)
>killed Beyonders
>makes the Glory (gestalt of thousands of gods; Skyfather-tier) howl in pain with a storm
>his storms are so strong they're felt in other universes
and more
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>>132221677
>All his might doesn't mean all his power.
That's literally what it is.
>Sometimes you hold back your full invulnerability
Key word being "sometimes". As in, if your power is to change your form or density, if your durability is like a forcefield and it's strength depends on conscious choice or the amount of energy poured into it. I'm Thor's case? No, you fucking can't, because Thor's durability comes from the density of his muscle, tissues and bone that he inherited from his ancestors, and he has no control over that whatsoever.
>He did defeat Juggernaut here without holding back, the reason Cain isn't a bloody meat piece is for his dimensional force field
Your own page repeats TWICE that Thor failed to subdue Cain (despite battering him non-stop for 60 seconds). He then just teleported him away because he couldn't do anything to Cain otherwise.
>That's a seethe and cope, it's official and canon.
Shows what you know. Breaking in comics the Marvel Way, where the Hulk panel comes from, ends with a whole cast of New Mutants getting slaughtered. An event that has never ever been referenced in mainline comics. Therefore, not canon.
The Cap panel comes from a literal What-If. The Civil War one. On top of being non-616, there's also the fact that What-Ifs and divergent timelines always shit all over power levels for the sake of cheap drama.
>That's more crossovers writer needing to nerf Thor to shill their favourite shitty heroes.
Half of these happened in Thor's books, lmao. The Iron Man and Crusader ones. And there are more of those happening in Thor books too, like when Thor whacks some asshole (to no effect) and exclaims "tis was my mightiest blow!". Or are you implying Thor getting his ass kicked happens only outside of his books? Lol.
Frankly, the "muh crossovers" thing is just cope. Not my fault you can't deal with the fact that Thor is a part of a bigger shared universe where he's far from the biggest fish in the pond.
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>>132200149
outside of wanting to fuck Harley, why do people like her?
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>>132222137
Most of this is either out of context, cherrypicked wank or just plain bullshit written by someone who never read a comic where this shit happened. Behold, Hercules, equal to Thor (infinite strength btw) and lifter of the universe (didn't happen btw)!
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>Chainsaw Man PV looks amazing
https://twitter.com/CHAINSAWMAN_PR/status/1555510587433828353
So, when is Death Battle gonna cash in on Chainsaw Man's hype?
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>>132222425
>That's literally what it is.
Semantics
>Key word being "sometimes". As in, if your power is to change your form or density, if your durability is like a forcefield and it's strength depends on conscious choice or the amount of energy poured into it. I'm Thor's case? No, you fucking can't, because Thor's durability comes from the density of his muscle, tissues and bone that he inherited from his ancestors, and he has no control over that whatsoever.
Possibly for the belt that doubled his power, hard to say since the hammer works with "Odin let it happened when he was drunk"
>Your own page repeats TWICE that Thor failed to subdue Cain (despite battering him non-stop for 60 seconds). He then just teleported him away because he couldn't do anything to Cain otherwise.
He didn't teleport him, he lifted him with the hammer helicopter like swing in the cosmo. He was beating him before the field force of dimensions returned, that's what was I saying
>Shows what you know. Breaking in comics the Marvel Way, where the Hulk panel comes from, ends with a whole cast of New Mutants getting slaughtered. An event that has never ever been referenced in mainline comics. Therefore, not canon.
Anon, comic logic dictates: it's canon as long as something say it isn't. Like Harley Quinn killing children, we suppose it's canon because no one said it didn't happen (even if the presence of Owlman could argue against it since the murder of children happened on the forever evil specials)
>The Cap panel comes from a literal What-If. The Civil War one. On top of being non-616, there's also the fact that What-Ifs and divergent timelines always shit all over power levels for the sake of cheap drama.
Yeah, canon in multiverse.
Not in the main universe but canon.
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>>132222425
>>132223863
>Half of these happened in Thor's books, lmao.
And in Batman solos arrives the super new villain or hero that can defeat Batman and then Batman bests him with his deus ex machina number 8
>The Iron Man and Crusader ones. And there are more of those happening in Thor books too, like when Thor whacks some asshole (to no effect) and exclaims "tis was my mightiest blow!". Or are you implying Thor getting his ass kicked happens only outside of his books? Lol.
It happens in solos when the writer doesn't get the character and only use it to shill it's new characters. Like Batman comics shilling Gotham Girl and so nerfing Batman and making him weaker for her to appear better
>Frankly, the "muh crossovers" thing is just cope. Not my fault you can't deal with the fact that Thor is a part of a bigger shared universe where he's far from the biggest fish in the pond.
Not my fault if you think writers don't have a bias. Or you think Ennis writing Punisher defeating Wolverine nerfed as a drunk hobo was Ennis being respectful?
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>>132205513
No because mha doesnt exist.
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>>132220121
>>132220489
Batman is above that for being able to box with Darkseid and reverse flash.
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>>132222869
Etrigan stomps
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>>132212627
>>132204260
Goku and Superman are both weak
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>>132224621
Goku low end feats have at least 5 minutes of him, his friends and enemies explaining the concept of KI again. Superman comic never explained why he can struggle to lift a building and also destroy a universe.
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>>132224621
>Saitama-chad speaks
Kino
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>>132224812
Moon Level.
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>>132224776
Superman has way more options to kill Goku than Goku has to kill Superman.
Let's see....
>Throwing him into space
>Heat vision between the pupils
>Punching him really hard
>Freezing him
And so on
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>>132224952
I never understand how people use the space argument. First he need to be strong enough to bring him to space also Goku can teleport and hold his breath in space. Goke dealt with laser vision, super strength and cold temperatures.

Overall Superman and comics are to inconsistent to accurately scale. Comic care about drama, shonen care about the fights.
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>>132225220
>First he need to be strong enough to bring him to space also Goku can teleport and hold his breath in space
Unless Ki magically makes you fatter, you only need super strength and speed to fly Goku out of space, and no he cannot teleport out of it because Instant Transmission requires focus. There have also been numerous times when Goku has been unable to fight in space due to not being able to hold his breath or even breathe in it, it's outright stated that he can't in the manga.
Why do people spout the dumbest shit about DB without bothering to think about what they're saying?
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>>132225333
Vegeta literally fought a robot who remove oxygen and all it did was make him not able to go past Super Saiyan. Are you aware that goku is a fast and power martial artist and Superman struggle with peak human martial artists from shit hole city?
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>>132225542
When he's depowered?
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>>132224819
>moon level
more than enough to defeat supes
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Most wanked characters in fiction. Name them.
>GER
>Kratos
>Doomguy
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>>132225631
>characters
>GER
Anon...
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>>132225589
>no Kryptonite, no red sun
Explain why he always lose to Batman and Harley?
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>>132225665
Because DC and DB are opposites.
In DC, everyone jobs to Batman and Batman is on top
In DB, Batman is the resident jobber and every other DC character who isn't related to him murders everyone
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>>132225542
>Vegeta literally fought a robot who remove oxygen and all it did was make him not able to go past Super Saiyan.
And Goku was shafted when he got drowned by Moro and Frieza. Sayians notoriously cannot do shit if they can't breathe, and what you're showing doesn't go against my point of Goku not being able to IT if he isn't focusing, nor does it go against the fact that Sayians can't breathe in space.
>Muh lowends!
Does not mean shit, because if we're using lowends then Goku gets fucked by trains, rocks and canonically can only lift 40 tons.
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>>132225631
The only one of these I'd even begin to call "the most wanked" is Kratos, and that's only because he's been getting pushed to multiversal due to the devs own statements and his weird cosmology.
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>>132221900
Most of the people who post in Death Battle threads don't actually read the VSBW profiles they rage against/obsess over. They just cherrypick things from them to use in their rhetoric.
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>>132225665
Those were because super pills made to be on level with Superman and in the same story Batman got his hand broken for slapping Superman with his heavy armor
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>>132225706
how does lifting strength equate to power? are Iceman and Storm weak because they can't lift a ton?

instant transmission only need concentration if he is searching for someone. even your premise is flawed because Superman don't send his foes to space as a win condition. You are assuming that Superman have some new knowledge of a being he just met. I can say Goku can teleport him to a red sun as a win condition with your logic.

Since we are talking about lowends. What is the explanation of Superman powers that cause it to fluctuate in capabilities? Dragonball has ki, so what does Superman have?
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>>132226133
7 megaton nuke would've killed Superman.
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>>132226209
An alternate Superman
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>>132226135
>instant transmission only need concentration if he is searching for someone.
Not even remotely true, as seen by Goku having trouble ITing when flying away from Buu's planetary destruction. I'm not surprised that you don't know that because DB wankers don't research the media they're shilling.
>how does lifting strength equate to power?
How the fuck does it not relate to power? If you can lift 50-100 pounds you would have general strength that revolves around that level of power. Goku's only strong because of Ki giving him a boost.
>I can say Goku can teleport him to a red sun as a win condition with your logic.
Except Goku can't breathe in space and would just kill himself attempting to do so, and he'd have to find a red sun in the first place. Believe it or not, knocking/throwing your opponent out of the atmosphere to mitigate damage on Earth is a much more realistic action for Superman compared to Goku committing a murder-suicide with information you wouldn't have.
>What is the explanation of Superman powers that cause it to fluctuate in capabilities?
Different writers, different continuities, different universes etc etc. Believe it or not, comics have more than one person writing their stories, so nothing is going to stay 100% the same between who's writing what.
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>>132226267
>Excuses excuses
You do know that Injustice Superman beat up the mainstream Superman, right?
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>>132226209
>Injustice Supes
>Clearly says that the bomb failed
You would've had an argument if you said someone with atomic based powers like Captain Atom could beat Supes, because that's exactly what happened in this story.
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>>132200149
>OP talks about DC power levels
>don't even have to click into the thread to find DBSpics swarming
lmao
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>>132226319
You do know Mainstream Superman was holding back?
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>>132226393
Because he was dying.
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>>132226307
>>132226307
>ITing when flying away from Buu's planetary destruction
He just got out of buu body and he beg him not to destroy his home. afterward he was trying to save his sons and find a new planet to teleport to. I'm not sure how is that comparable to a one on one fight. Goku was teleporting around Beerus in the movie.
>>132226307
>Except Goku can't breathe in space and would just kill himself attempting to do so
His ability to breath in space don't determined his ability to go to a different planet.

If Superman destroying earth and sending his foe into space so common why didn't he do that against Batman?
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>>132226600
>>Goku was teleporting around Beerus in the movie.
>Misses the "Goku needs to focus to IT" point entirely
I can't tell if you're willingly being stupid or just don't understand English, so allow me to spell it out nice and slowly for you.
Goku requires focus to teleport. He could not teleport away from Buu's planetary destruction on his own because he couldn't focus. He COULD teleport around Beerus because he was clearly focusing.
>>His ability to breath in space don't determined his ability to go to a different planet.
>Goku teleports to a planet near a red sun
>Said planet doesn't hold oxygen
>Gokek dies of asphyxiation in the middle of bum fuck space
Wow great argument you're presenting here.
>If Superman destroying earth and sending his foe into space so common why didn't he do that against Batman?
I'm convinced you're just illiterate at this point so let me put it in a language you'll understand.
Batman no es una amenaza planetaria que crearía un páramo desolado de un mundo si se luchara contra él. Cuando se trata de personas que representan una amenaza a nivel planetario, es común que Superman lleve a su oponente al espacio o al cielo para evitar daños masivos. Tampoco mencioné nunca destruir la Tierra como wincon, eres retrasado.
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>>132226267
Here's your mainline Superman getting comatosed by a nuke
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>>132226830
I'll even throw in an extra one for free.
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Can I explain something? Surviving the center of a nuke makes you basically invulnerable because you just survived something that rips apart the strong force
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>>132226851
You know I'm feeling extra generous today so I'll give one more nuke feat.
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>>132226866
>He thinks DBtards understand physics or any kind of science for that matter
Just keep letting them dig their own grave anon.
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>>132226891
Like, these things. If you can
>Survive the center of a nuke
>Move at lightspeed
You're basically unstoppable because one, you no-sold the strong force being ripped apart, and two, you outputted an infinite amount of energy
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>>132226866
>Tries to make up excuses for why Superman gets bodied by ~1 Megaton AP
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>>132226943
>you no-sold the strong force being ripped apart
The strong force doesn't get ripped apart anon.

Don't try to be a scientlet.

Nukes are just fission.
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>>132226773
>>Goku teleports to a planet near a red sun
>>Said planet doesn't hold oxygen
No he teleport to a planet with oxygen, just like how Superman can send Goku into space without him fighting back. Obviously none of his villains fight back or continue to destroy the city.

Also Batman is a universal threat. Have you seen what happen if he turn evil? But you are right the heroic Superman can just destroy the planet to defeat a monkey. That's totally in character.
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>>132226943
>nukes
>an infinite amount of energy
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>>132226830
>>132226851
>>132226867
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>>132226989
The center of a nuclear bomb reaches 100,000,000 Celsius. This is enough to tear matter apart on a molecular level
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>>132227055
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Death Battle is stupid. They've been outright wrong about who would win in a couple of their videos, and absolutely refuse to do any kind of actual research into characters beyond surface level wiki articles.
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so this is how strong Superman is.
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>>132226998
Okay Einstein, explain how Goku would know if a planet has oxygen or not before teleporting to it. Also, thanks to a very generous anon I have proof of Superman flying a city level threat out into space >>132226851
>But you are right the heroic Superman can just destroy the planet to defeat a monkey. That's totally in character.
I literally never said that. You formulated that argument in your own headcanon and that's extremely sad.
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>>132227063
That's not violating the quantum chromodynamics though like you said.
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>>132227011
He's talking about moving at lightspeed, how did you manage to fuck up reading a single sentence.
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>>132227112
>moving a bomb is that same as moving a person.

Why did he let Zod, and Doomsday kill so many people? Goku never done anything like this.
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Superfags crawling back for another humiliating beatdown eh?
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>>132227166
He is a third worlder, thats how
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>>132227197
>Moves a bomb from a city all the way past the atmosphere and into space within a number of seconds
>"N-no! He can't do that to Gokek he can't!"
By the way, I hope you aren't actually using that meme image to formulate an argument against Supes bear hugging Goku and flying him into the cold vacuum of space. Because if so I'll accept your concession here to save you the embarrassment.
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>>132227321
that's not canon. also you didn't give an answer to why a foe who can fight back never go to space with him. If Supernan is able to why don't he do it more often?
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>>132221490
Why is Goku allowed multiple writers but not Superman.
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The fact that Otto doesn't know how broken Kamen Rider gets saddens me
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>>132223863
>Semantics
Cope. He said rather clearly that he needs to struck the ground "with all his might". There's no mental gymnastics that could disprove that.
>Possibly for the belt that doubled his power,
What? Belt is a non-standard equipment and Thor wore it like two or three times in total. Completely irrelevant.
>hard to say since the hammer works with "Odin let it happened when he was drunk"
His strength and durability doesn't come from his hammer. So also irrelevant. He can't hold back the hardness of his skin or the density of his bones. And wouldn't even do that if he could because he isn't a fucking masochist.
>He didn't teleport him, he lifted him with the hammer helicopter like swing in the cosmo.
Same thing. He needed to move him away instead of beating him clean.
>He was beating him before the field force of dimensions returned, that's what was I saying
He was beating ON him and both narration and Juggernaut himself said he couldn't KO Cain.
>Anon, comic logic dictates: it's canon as long as something say it isn't.
Wrong. If the book blatantly contradicts the main canon (by brutally killing relevant characters) and that contradiction is not addressed anywhere in canon (New Mutants didn't die and come back in 616), then it's not canon.
>Yeah, canon in multiverse.
Not in the main universe but canon.
Great, so it's fucking irrelevant to 616. Thanks for proving my point.
>It happens in solos when the writer doesn't get the character and only use it to shill it's new characters.
>Not my fault if you think writers don't have a bias.
This is all cope. Numerous writers over years had Thor go all out or attempt (and sometimes succeed) to kill his opponents. In Thor's books, team books AND in books of other heroes. Fact: Thor says "I'm no longer holding back" way more often than he says "I'm holding back". And that's not mentioning all the times when someone copies Thor's power, doesn't care about holding back and somehow doesn't splatter anyone he hits.
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>>132227456
>The Buu arc isn't canon
And that's where I stop listening to your opinion. No more (You)'s since you're clearly mentally challenged.
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After all these years. Gamera has a better chance of beating Godzilla than Goku does of beating Superman
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>>132222506
Not a single one was "out of context, cherrypicked wank", the third excuse you mentioned leads me to believe you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
>(didn't happen btw)
https://youtu.be/xpUbrNi-s08?t=1130
>b-but-
Scroll up and see what this thread is about.
>"capeshit is inconsistent therefore high ends don't exist, only low ends"
kek. nobody believes these characters regularly output these obscene magnitudes. death battle is about seeing how hard you can wank somebody.
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>>132221900
What's that got to do with anything? Thor doesn't get rage power-ups the way Hulk does, so their reasoning was a coping mechanism (not to use a buzzword) because cataloging the power levels of decades-old characters written by hundreds of different people is not a viable endeavor. Do you realize their take on "immeasurable" lifting strength is above such things as "infinite" lifting strength? He goes from hurling planets to hurling platonic concepts, because he really exerted himself eh? Regardless, it's more amusing than anything, not to be condescending, I genuinely enjoy it when they bloat the hell out of power levels like this
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>>132227727
Dragon Ball is a super fucking weak verse though
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>>132227727
>Not a single one was "out of context, cherrypicked wank",
Literally all of it. I can pick a random one and poke a dozen holes in it.
>Thor KOing multiversal Phoenix
Phoenix in that particular issue capped at planet busting, stomped Thor and his whole team multiple times (and yeah, he had help from about 7 other characters when he fought Phoenix) and then repeatedly stomped Thor on Earth when split in several pieces.
>Glory
Thor was amped in Chaos War by skyfather Hercules.
>Sentry
Explicitly failed to contain a Cube, but successfully teabagged Thor, Avengers and entire Asgard at the same time and only got killed because he regained control and allowed it to happen. Before that he was no selling Thor (but got taken out clean by a hellicarrier dropping from the sky).
>Beat Mephisto in hell
Yeah, by collapsing the cave and burying Mephisto under rocks. Because Mephisto sucks ass.
And so on and so forth...
>links the Death Battle video in an attempt to prove that the feat happened
>doesn't know this feat was retconned to Hercules lifting the Earth
KWAB
>Scroll up and see what this thread is about.
About Batman and HQ not being peak humans.
>kek. nobody believes these characters regularly output these obscene magnitudes. death battle is about seeing how hard you can wank somebody.
This isn't a Death Battle thread.
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>>132227624
Goku beats Superman 10/10 times. Gamera does not beat Gojira even once if they fought 1 quintillion times.
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>>132228084
Anon, Goku is on his second lost against Supes. What happened to him winning ten out of ten times?
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>>132227547
The anime is not canon. it never happen in the manga.
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>>132228084
>Goku beats Superman 10/10 times
Who Will tell him the truth?
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>>132228084
Where are Goku's feats?
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>>132228070
One by one, huh? Okay:
>Phoenix in that particular issue capped at planet busting
Because it fed on a planet, the same way Galactus, the multiversal, does?
>he had help from about 7 other characters when he fought Phoenix
Singlehandedly knocked it out. Confirmed by Hickman and supported by DB. Don't bother persisting in this if you have a sense of continuity in you.
>Thor was amped
I do not believe he was amped then, but that's my take on it. I won't prod this further because it's tenuous.
>Explicitly failed to contain a Cube
For long. He held it well enough for a while.
>Before that he was no selling Thor
You don't know the terms you use, and Thor killed him, which is what DB used to make Thor niggerversal (see OP). Disclaimer: if you keep ignoring that this is a DB thread we are done here.
>Mephisto sucks ass.
Disagreed. A win is a win.
>KWAB
We know what DB thinks. Defer to the disclaimer. Thor is not Kevin Nash, you traumatized child.
>About
Designated DB thread.
>This isn't a Death Battle thread.
I clearly read "Death Battle" in the OP.
If you don't accept that this is a Death Battle thing, then we are done here.
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>>132228240
somewhere superman can't reach
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>>132228245
>I clearly read "Death Battle" in the OP.
>If you don't accept that this is a Death Battle thing, then we are done here.
You must be fucking retarded if you single out two words out of the OP brought up as examples and ignore the rest to proclaim "yeah this is totally a Death Battle thread, it's definitely not about Batman and Harley and other characters jobbing to them in comics".
By that logic, if I make a thread proclaiming "/co/ sucks cocks" and then the rest of the OP will be criticism of /co/, you'd be the genius who starts posting gay porn because "the thread is about sucking cocks, isn't it?".
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>>132227208
they're gluttons for punishment. they lose literally every thread
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>>132228340
What are they?
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>>132228416
I would never argue for multiverse to prefix-of-the-month-verse capeshit high tiers if it's not a death battle thread, which it is in my eyes but not in yours. Therefore I abstain from having a parallel reality discussion with you.
>if I make a thread proclaiming "/co/ sucks cocks"
Then I'd say you're right.
In any event it would be more accurate to post Azula or Korra or whatever character is lust posted about the most, indeed sucking cock, but that doesn't quite work in principle because blue board. Nothing further, Anon.
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>>132221900
Thor page is awful for different reason, they put him holding back at large island level and him going all out at galaxy level.
While I kind of get wanting to reconcil the mess that is capeshit powerscaling, it just doesn't make any sense for Thor to literally use 0.000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 1% against foes he's simingly having a hard time with consistently
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>>132227542
>Cope. He said rather clearly that he needs to struck the ground "with all his might". There's no mental gymnastics that could disprove that.
There actually is because that's how it works otherwise you wouldn't have to question how a thunder could be bolted out of an hammer without frying people near him
>What? Belt is a non-standard equipment and Thor wore it like two or three times in total. Completely irrelevant.
I belive you're right
>His strength and durability doesn't come from his hammer. So also irrelevant. He can't hold back the hardness of his skin or the density of his bones. And wouldn't even do that if he could because he isn't a fucking masochist.
Actually depends because there are multiple stories where it's the hammer that gave him his powers, and also stories where his hammer was used firstly by Odin and others it was made for Thor by dwarves. Perhaps the hammer enhances the body by energy?
>Same thing. He needed to move him away instead of beating him clean.
That's not teleporting, if I blew off a fly on my hand it would be me blowing off a fly
>He was beating ON him and both narration and Juggernaut himself said he couldn't KO Cain.
Such is what dimension machinas can do
>Wrong. If the book blatantly contradicts the main canon (by brutally killing relevant characters) and that contradiction is not addressed anywhere in canon (New Mutants didn't die and come back in 616), then it's not canon.
It's canon but then someone else will handwave what happened like "oh we just got teleported in another universe when the blast hit us" happened with General Ross, they thought he was dead and saw him dead instead he was alive
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>>132228466
feats above superman
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>>132227542
>>132228516
>Not in the main universe but canon.
>Great, so it's fucking irrelevant to 616. Thanks for proving my point.
That depends by how the writers write it, for example Byrne Spider-Man was canon until it wasn't, so no reason to going off powers unless there is shit like Galactus dies for stepping on a rat trap
>This is all cope. Numerous writers over years had Thor go all out or attempt (and sometimes succeed) to kill his opponents. In Thor's books, team books AND in books of other heroes. Fact: Thor says "I'm no longer holding back" way more often than he says "I'm holding back". And that's not mentioning all the times when someone copies Thor's power, doesn't care about holding back and somehow doesn't splatter anyone he hits.
Must be soul vs body power.
Like a clone doesn't have the same experience as you and so not the ability of learning and breaking limits.
Also he just recently killed Mangog after years of Mangog making Thor his bitch
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>>132228509
maybe they took Superman's spinal tap reference a little too literally and assume everyone's got a built-in dial to regulate their power levels
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>>132228530
Show me
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>>132219332
Kinda
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>>132229255
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>>132229303
vs building level
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>>132229303
Ah, yes. A vague statement with no backing.
>>132229318
And a low-end feat. Goku gets scratched by rocks and bullets
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>>132229415
>99% of all of Superman's limits don't count
Here we go again
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>>132229415
>Ah, yes. A vague statement with no backing.
All the supposed universal superman feats I have seen people bring up are as or more often than not, even more vague
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>>132220872
>Thor has such precise control over his own strength and how it permeates the world that he can use it to its fullest and cause no damage and amplify mortals' attacks to make fights fair
I FUCKING KNEEL
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>>132229590
Punching the shit out of the Anti-Monitor
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>>132229609
weaken antimonitor, earlier in the same comic series, 50 superheroes including multiple kryptonian couldn't do shit to him and was stated by the narration to have to power the destroy a solar system.
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>>132229812
And?
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>>132229925
not a universal level feat, at all.
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>>132231130
But your mom loves when I farts when she eats my ass.
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>>132229303
>>132229318
>>132229485
>>132229590
>>132229609
>>132230012
You guys are just proving comics and anime are inconsistent
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>>132229609
>lone predicate
?
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>>132231838
Can you elaborate on DragonBall inconsistencies? I thought the characters narrating the fights and re-explaining the power system in every fight will help stop people from being confused.
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>>132232110
>Can you elaborate on DragonBall inconsistencies?
No, if you don't know them already then you don't deserve to be spoonfeed.
Read a book
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>>132232110
>Can you elaborate on DragonBall inconsistencies?
SSJ Goku being harmed by rocks.
Gohan being unable to catch an earring despite being able to catch bullets.
Roshi being able to catch bullets and then being shot by Launch.
The Beerus universal wave clash everyone loves to use.
I can name more.
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>>132232127
People posted the rock and laser gif when goku mention how he can lower his power level to 0 in Super Saiyan and whis mention before and after that Goku love to lower his gaurd especially when he wins.
You can explain yourself or admit that you struggle with reading words in a manga or listening to the show.
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Superman will never be a grandfather,
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>>132232035
Wat
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>>132232472
that sentence has no subject
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How does Black Clover rank among other shounen verses? These last 30 chapters have at least placed it far above One Piece imo.
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>>132232597
Nobody cares
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Name the most infuriating thing in VS debates
>This character scales to the best feats of a guy who repeatedly stomps them
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I guess this is the Death Battle thread? The posts are similar enough. Which one of these three looks the best?
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>>132232978
Yeez
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>>132232996
So, 1, 2, or 3?
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>>132233059
Yes
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>>132232978
>I guess this is the Death Battle thread?
No we're still waiting for an official DB thread, this one's just a faux one. Also I'm going with 3, it looks the best.
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>>132232787
You did enough to reply
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>>132232275
Vegeta got hurted by heat against that robot in the tourtnament of Beerus and Champa
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>>132233080
I'll be frank, the content of the posts here in this thread is indistinguishable from a normal Death Battle thread. But thanks for the input, I'll chalk up a vote for 3.
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>>132233118
The most damage the robot done was stopping him from breathing. His magical lava didn't harm him and there was zero statements on the strength of the heat.
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>>132233447
Lava? Wow, so impressive
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Why are people so scared of Batman?
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>Thread is DCvers vs DBspics
Yawn. Even the Kaiju shit is better.
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>>132234224
Don't summon him
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>>132221355
>KWAP
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>>132222443
Yes
>like
No, wait
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>>132224204
Etrigan is for The Incredible Hulk
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>>132227099
We know, anon
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>>132227099
They're idiots like that
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>>132228423
>'w-we're w-winning g-gokusisters'
>returns every single thread to SEETHE over SuperCHAD eternally
Winning LMAO
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Ultraman is going to get an awful demise at the hands of Superman. His silvery shell will be peeled off
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>>132229485
Where are his canon 'limits' stated?
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>>132234780
In the canon comics.
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>>132234801
Doesn't matter. DB takes their characters high end feats
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>>132232302
According to DC 1,000,000 he sires an entire 80,000+ year dynasty, ignorant non-reader
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>>132233088
You can tell when he farts he cares enough to lift his leg, can't you?
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>>132234801
>no limits stated
So DBspics are illiterate as well as retarded
Thought as much
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"Tough to handle when I'm at 100%"
>>132234910
>not a limit
That's some prime copium right there
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>>132234822
>Doesn't matter. DB takes their head canon
ftfy

Manga Goku >>>>>>> Comics Superman
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>>132234837
>cites alternate universe shit
kek

we're talking main canon.
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>>132234952
Yep, you're coping, as no limit is stated
This is also meant to be Superman at the beginning of his career, before he had any idea what his limits were, and turned out to be far higher than he supposed. They are IN FACT still unknown
I return you now to your regular seethe and cope session
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Superman fucking busted past the bounds of infinity once
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>>132235022
DC 1,000,000 is main canon, non-reader retard
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>>132235050
>DC 1,000,000 is main canon, non-reader retard
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>>132235027
At full power (100%) he struggles with 775,000 lbs (387,5 tons).

That's his limit anon.

You can't hold back and struggle at the same time. It's just cope.
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>>132235041
>Pre-crisis bullshit by retarded writers never cited again.
Opens up a new comic.
Sees Superman get BTFO by Deathstroke.

This motherfucker couldn't even handle Yamcha.
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>>132235222
Ah, yes. Another low-end
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>Post a hundred limits of Superman
>>132235274
>I'm just going to ignore these
Like clockwork.
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>>132235274
Eh low-ends are not less canon than high-ends anon.

And the "high-ends" DB uses aren't even feats, they're statements.
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It'd be hilarious if Gokufags tried to challenge Ultraman only to find that he's out of their league as well
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>>132235352
Imagine ignoring hundreds of comic scans proving you wrong and still have the gull to talk shit like you're not proverbially picking up your teeth with broken fingers.

You're a joke anon.
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>>132235396
I think it's the energy that's hurting him. That artist seems familiar also
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>>132228084
He beats
>Early Showa (VS Showa)
>Early Heisei (Vs Heisei)
>GMK (Vs Heisei)
>Shin (Vs Heisei)
Probably some other shit I'm missing
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>>132235222
Hey anon, why did you post that image without mentioning that Superman knocked Slade away like a bug after this page? Why didn't you mention that Slade was only "damaging" Supes when he had on a bullshit suit that protected him for about 10 strikes until it got overpowered? Surely you just aren't trying to be disingenuous right? You also, for some strange reason, decided to leave out the part where Clark wasn't trying to even kill Slade, I wonder why.
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>>132235929
>Page literally explaining how and why Supes is being harmed
>Anon ignores it and acts as if this is a gotcha
Come on now, I know you're smarter than that.
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>>132236012
Are you dense? 60,000 G will bursts Superman's capillaries.

One punch from Goku would go through Clark like a high caliber round through a water melon.
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>>132234952
>"Tough to handle when I'm at 100%"
You can interpret this the opposite way, since he's trying to maintain control of the vessel and not hurt anyone, meaning that he could accidentally crush the plane if he's not careful.
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>>132236087
Anon....Superman was up and running the second he was back on page. Have you considered that Slade doesn't know jackshit about what he's talking about? You and him might have something in common.
https://viewcomiconline.com/deathstroke-2016-issue-8/
The issue for anyone curious.
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>>132236173
Imagine not having read the comic and still trying to damage control by reinterpreting it.

You Superfags are something else, you know that. Here have some DC pride.
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>Slade, super-genius with enhanced brain activity.
>>132236202
>Slade is a dumbass.
Imagine coping so bad...

You'll get some DC pride too.
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>>132236257
>>Slade is a dumbass
Did you even read what I posted? Slade's entire thought process was enraging Supes to power up the suit in hopes it would incapacitate the guy. Not only did it fail to do that, but Superman ALSO went right back to chasing him with little to no problem. It's not "coping", it's me telling you that Slade's estimation on what might affect the alien he's fighting was/is wrong.
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>>132236087
And Goku's punches are?
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>>132234727
Goku lives in your head
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>>132236218
it's strange, even when a queer ally draws a pride parade, the figures are as repellent as anything jack chick used to dream up when he aimed to portray examples of utter perversity
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>>132236344
he's talking about damage inflicted with the hard numbers we're privy to
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>>132236998
DB takes characters at their strongest
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>>132237414
Nah. They ignore whatever they don't like and make up whatever bullshit they want to then fall back on some questionable quote from a comic.
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>>132236356
Goku can destroy a planet with a punch. According to Superman current writer he can not destroy a planet with a punch.
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>>132237414
Explain Batman and Harley. Both of these characters are Justice League threats and can be a danger to the multiverse.
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>>132237571
"Batman is multiversal and zeptillions times faster than light at his strongest."

This is unironically what DB apologists believe.
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>>132237646
This isn't even a joke. I remember in the lead up to Harley vs Jinx there was talk of MFTL toonforce multiverse busting Harley fucking Quinn going around in these threads
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>>132237693
They made her a Deadpool clone. She meet with her creator, gone to hell and wreck shit, did the same in Darkseid world, destroyed DC universe to revive her mom, lord death simp for her and she almost join the looney tune.
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>>132237879
Did she really copy everything Deadpool done?
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>>132237531
>Puts a hole in a small-ass planet
Weak
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>>132237964
It's has 10 times more gravity than earth
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>>132236960
Who?
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>>132237992
Meaningless drivel
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>>132237992
Still doesn't make up for the small size
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>>132238050
>>132238101
The small size and large gravity mean that the planet is more dense than earth. Superman can't beat Goku if he can't even destroy a earth according to his creator.
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>>132238161
Even though he's no-sold being hit by one.
Gotcha
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>>132238161
More meaningless drivel
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>>132237992
That’s not going to make the actual landmass more durable
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>>132238002
What's the matter, Anon? He can't be harder to remember than a capeshitter, can he? You haven't figured it out yet? He's the Saiyan who came all the way from Dragon Ball and stomps your favorites. He's the warrior you've heard of in legends. Pure of heart and awakened by fury, that's what he is.
THE SUPER SAIYAN SON GOKU!
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>>132238970
it makes it denser
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>>132238101
>>132238970
it would need to be hilariously dense for it to have ten times the gravity of earth at that size. like, neutron star dense. this is not the case because things are evidently no denser there than on earth but i think that's what anon's argument was
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>>132239248
Giving Goku credit where it’s due, he withstands a lot of fucking gravity
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>>132239194
Can't say I've heard of him, outside these schizo threads
Sounds like he's living in your head, though. Like he's made it his home
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>>132239248
Found some calcs, it’s roughly 105 meters in diameter. And to have gravity 10 times stronger than earth? It’s roughly as dense as a white dwarf star. Maybe a little less.
Physics are weird
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>>132227117
Understandable. Seriously though. The hypocenter of a nuclear blast is physically impossible to survive by any single material in existence. Not even ash is left behind. If you no-sell that, you’re basically invincible
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>>132239446
what does this imply for pre-BoG SSJ3 Goku's striking power then?
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>>132239728
Bretty gud
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>>132239410
Lyin's a sin.
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>>132239968
Then spread your lies elsewhere, silly degenerate heathen. Some fellowschizo who knows 'goku' the same as you believe, perhaps
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>>132235174
Planes >>>>>> trains
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Which character has died more?
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This has probably been repeated ITT times and times again, but whatever.
"Peak human" is code phrase for "this character has blatant superpowers, but we'll vehemently deny it to sell the character as human and relatable"
Peak human was never anything more than pure bullshit.



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