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God, this shitty character was such a let down.
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>>128239714
>archie shit
Kys
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>>128239748
What? It's IDW, you absolute dofus.
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>>128239714
Well ya she’s another IDW oc lesbian
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>>128239714
Dude is a little early to judge this character, it literaly just appeared in 3 issues, in one she doesn't even speak.
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>>128239714
As if we all didn't know she'd never live up to the hype people were making for her.
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>>128239714
How so? Surge and Kit haven't even met any of the heroes yet.
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>>128239714
Why? The glitch trio are the first IDW originals that are actually interesting and unique to Sonic’s world.
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>>128239714
As if she could ever top the king.
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>>128239714
She's hot
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>>128240447
Imagine the sex.
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>>128239714
>expecting IDW to actually pay off any of its concepts
LOL
Still beats playing the games I guess
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>>128239714
I'd fuck her tho.
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>>128239714
Sexy teeth
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>>128240447
That fancomic bullshit was the most hilarious Sonic-related thing I'd seen since Forces.
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>>128239714
She’s alright so far
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>>128239714
I am too fucking horny today and have talk to my mother
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>>128239714
I've seen a good deal of fan art for this thing for some reason. What the heck is it's deal?
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>>128240447
I have it on good authority that the "king" is a bottom.
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>>128240871
What if Sonic was a green punk girl with electric powers?
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>>128241224
Hot
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>>128241224
That's it?
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>>128241769
Ye
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>>128241224
I just realized we don't have a punk/tomboy character in the Sonic series yet. Surge is actual unique and electricity powers go hand-in-hand with speed.
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These are the first comic OCs I'd actually want to see in a videogame.
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this but Surge and Juri Han
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>>128239714
LET DOWN implies you had hope to start with. I could tell this rodent was gonna be shit to start.
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>>128242360
Psst hey, I got something you might like.
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>>128241847
I guess that's enough for some people. Punk girl is probably a big draw for enough so that's understandable.
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>>128240447
>Implying that Surge isn't Scourge after HRT
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>>128240207
I want her to sit on my dick
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>>128239714
I dunno I've enjoyed her so far. She's a rude bitch who's fast as sonic with sonic powers. What's not to like? The only issue I have with her is that she's working with Starline and I don't like Starline. And even then she looks like she's about to go rogue so no problem.
I wanna watch this bitch just fucking shit up indiscriminately.
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>>128240447
I dunno why I've never liked Surge. Just something about his design has never sat right with me. Like my knee jerk reaction to seeing him is just "ugh"
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>>128243634
According to Evan, Scourge died and became a skeleton ghost that got transported to another world.
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>>128239714
what is have hammer pants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
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Someone asked last thread

>Explain the Ken Penders thing

Ken registered his stories for copyright. He later realized this gives you rights to characters you create in said stories, but only in ways that protect the rights of the stories you registered.

>What does that mean?
He can claim he "owns green Knuckles", but he only owns the idea of that exact version of the character and their story continuity.

>uhhh?
You can't use "his character" as in bring back Chaos Knuckles from Archie Sonic.
You CAN
>Make Knuckles a force ghost
>Give him superpowers
>Make him green
>Call him "Green Knuckles"
Meanwhile Ken cannot
>Use the trademarked name "Knuckles the Echidna"
>Use the copyrighted design and iconography of Knuckles the Echidna

>OK really, I'm super retarded, explain Scourge
Nobody can use Scourge. The character is derivative of Ken's character, but Ken has no rights to Sonic's likeness, the Scourge the Hedgehog name, the Scourge redesign, etc. The morons who bought it from him don't understand copyright law.

Ken also doesn't own any concepts.
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Little soon to say that, don't you think? And she's still better than this piece of shit: >>128240447
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>>128244383
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
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>>128244356
Dumbass anon who asked in the last thread, here.
Thank you very, very much, I think now I understand it.

If you don't mind, again consider me a absolute moron if you need to, but could you elaborate more on Shade and the Nocturnus Clan? You said he had no claim, and I believe you, but want to fully understand why.
Yes, they are based on Julie-Su and the Dark Legion (plus the unnecessary similar name selection like "dark brotherhood", or "twilight cage"), but those two inspirations were not even unser his copyright at the time.
He also makes those bold claims, about owning them or that Bioware tried to approach him in a con, but only talk to his wife and kid.

Also, thanks again, I know I'm quite slow to get it, and I honestly appreciate your time.
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>>128239714
It's been like 2 fucking comics Christ.
IDW isn't perfect but it's annoying when Archiefags expect the same amount of lore and development from the series back when it had around 3 decades of content and nearly 300 issues.
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>>128245054
>Archiefags
Stop that. I've seen people shitting on IDW and Archie at the same time.
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I'm still waiting for some art of her fucking Sonic with her electrified futa cock
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>>128244588
He says it under the same logic he says he owns Scourge: he could put up a fight as to why someone else CAN'T use them. With Scourge his argument is solid, but he's intentionally being disingenuous by implying that means he has rights to Scourge (he doesn't). It's why that failed licensed comic advertised itself as "Scourge the Speed Demon." Sega could sue if they said he was a Hedgehog.

With Shade it's just bluster. His court case over Chronicles was thrown out multiple times. Bioware writers being inspired by him doesn't magically give him the rights to their shit. He's just being petty.

You'll notice he never says anything that could bite him in the ass in court. It's never "I have the rights to Scourge" or "I have the rights to Shade." It's "I have the rights to Julie-Su (which don't include her design or relation to the Sonic brand) and that covers Shade," which he can argue as being "what he believes to be true" in court.

TL;DR, Ken's a fag and intentionally words things to trip up people who can't navigate semantics. He owns scripts and characters created in those scripts are protected from being reused by other people. Just the writing. Not art, design, or concept. He owns his stories and nothing else. Nobody is prevented from making a Catweazle knockoff, he's just protected from someone taking and using Catweazle as a character without his consent. If someone made a new bird named Ferret or Catweazle got a rebrand named DogKoala, he'd have no rights over either aside from character continuity with Dogkoala, because that's writing.
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>>128245412
Wow, someone found out that Sonic has a status quo.
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>>128245412

Oh, its you.
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>>128245239
Thank you very much for your time again, anon!
I think I finally got the grasp of it.

>Ken's a fag and intentionally words things to trip up people who can't navigate semantics
Pen Kenders really seems to be just a horrible person... I do sometimes wonder if he is not outright delusional given some of his most outrageous claims (like that he made Sonic and Knuckles popular in the West)
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>>128246078
>I do sometimes wonder if he is not outright delusional
He 100% is. He's the second biggest sterotype of the crazy unhinged Sonicfag besides the big one.
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>>128242239
If I weren't too lazy to retype all that, I'd do it. Or with Leona Heidern.
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>>128242239
Surge doesn't really look like Juri though. Not in the way Ryoko looks like shadow. Hell it'd make more sense for her to be Blanka's fursona.
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>>128240343
whoa, sauce?
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>>128245083
Get cancer, suffer, and die a miserable death for being mentally fucked up.
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>>128240168
Oh, sorry

>archie ripoff shit
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>>128244356
>he only owns the idea of that exact version of the character and their story continuity
Now his whole claims about the Knoox (or however it is written) start making a little bit more sense... specially the part he focus so much (He is a dad, Knuckles is not)
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>>128239714
I love her, she gave me a fetish for brat taming
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>>128244575
If you'd spent any time on /co/, then you'd know the proper response is:
>>128244383
Shut the fuck up, Boco.
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>>128248445
>Shut the fuck up, Boco.
No Sonic /co/ thread would be completed without it
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>>128240197
Ooh great....another stunning and brave character to save lives.
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>>128245239
>bioware writers being inspired by him

you mean bioware hacks who did what they could to make it "not" julie-su, to put the least amount of effort in to a bad game with bad music and not have to pay royalties. sega told comic writers not to do certain things because it would be too much like what penders created in 1997, then in the comics in alternate timeline it's an obvious likeness anyway

>navigate semantics
penders might be shitty but a ripoff is a ripoff. lion king is a ripoff of kimba the white lion. shade and the nocturnas clan is a ripoff of julie su and dark legion
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>>128248949
>lion king is a ripoff of kimba the white lion
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>>128248949
>lion king is a ripoff of kimba the white lion
Look everyone, it's the anon from the end of the other thread
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>>128248949
>lion king is a ripoff of kimba the white lion.
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>>128249215
>Iizuka retconned humans away
Reminder that Iizuka is boycotting the Sonic Game series from the inside because an Amerifat who worked in the Archie Sonic series made it so Iizuka's latest echidna waifu would be too much of a hassle to use in future games.
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>>128249263
I am very certain Evan has thought of this.
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>>128249340
>I want to see how this spirals out of control.
>inb4 the Pendering all over again
Wouldn't that be glorious?
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>>128249340
They won't be actual lesbians but they'll be girls that get along really well with other girls and show no romantic interest in guys.
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>>128249263

>What the hell? I don't think he even paid attention!
>Maybe you should rip my clothes off and have your way with me in front of him.
>You really think that'd work?
>Not seeing a downside either way.
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>>128249349
No see that's implying that someone would want to take the lesbians out for their own dumb shit comics. The point is to keep them there.

Let's throw a couple of gays in too for good measure.
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>>128239714
She's only in 2 issues where she has a role. You'd just need to give her some time for her to properly establish herself, much like any other villain character.

I think there's some fun thing going on with the duo beginning to rebel against to Starline, due to their suspicions of him. But I'd be surprised if Starline turns out that he has predicted that they'd turn against to him and is in the plans of training them. Considering that the last few pages gave me the impression that he seemed to be aware of what's going on.
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>>128249380
I mean... Sega is the one with the last word... if they want to snap all of them out of existance on a whim, they can...
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>>128249372
>surge dates amy to rub it in sonic's face
>amy dates surge to make sonic jealous
>sonic gives no fucks
>fast forward 20 years and as amy and surge celebrate their wedding anniversary they start to think their plan didn't work out as intended
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>>128239714
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>>128249357
Well they did all go camping...
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>>128249380
>Reminder that Sega already put Tangle on a bus (read as bicycle) at the end of the camping arc
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>>128249413
So Jewel is supposed to be a lesbian, Tangle is as well but maybe hasn't realized it yet which is why she didn't leave with Whisper but is now going to go find her, Belle doesn't give off any gay vibes, and Amy is perpetually Sonicsexual and friendzoned.
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She seems fun from what little I've seen of her. I like that her relationship with the blue kid is basically a mirror of Sonic and Tails'.
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>>128239714
So, is she not a hedgehog just so "you know who", doesn't start with "you know what"?
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>>128249475
She's a tenrec which is known as a fake hedgehog.
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>>128249492
>tenrec which is known as a fake hedgehog
That's... surprisingly clever coming from this people, kudos to them.
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>>128249450
>So Jewel is supposed to be a lesbian

Actual statement or are you self-rationalizing?
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>>128239714
Is she gonna fight Sonic or what? They been hyping that shit up for a while.
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>>128249642
No, she'll stop caring about Sonic the moment she discovers where she came from, that's the big tweest.
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>>128249615
>Expecting a regular scan
>That edited dialogue
Got me
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>>128249658
The big fight is happening for 50 where I assume sonic gets the shit kicked outta him by surge which is why they’ve been building this up for so long.
I assume they find out and starline gets control of them again
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>>128249699
>Sonic vs his dimestore imposter who hasn't done shit

That's the big pull for issue 50? Big fucking deal.
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>>128249732
Yeah pretty boring but this concept art shows her beating the shit outta him so that’s something I guess
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>>128249749
>her beating the shit outta him

Good luck getting that past Sega.
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>>128249608
Nothing official, take it a with a grain of salt, heard through the grapevine, wink wink.
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>>128249860
No it's bullshitting. No "implications" at all.
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>>128249867
There were also no implications that Gold was a lesbian either. But for what it's worth, nothing will ever be official.
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her design is really good but having thumbed through the comic with her in it, i got completely bored by the whole thing. I don't think these are good comics and if you don't already want to like a sonic comic i don't think it'd work on like...actual children.
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>>128249933
IDW's pacing is really something awful. It has decent ideas that are ultimately killed by shoddy setups and handling. Doesn't matter if it's "Sega mandates" or Ian or Evan's incapability, the fact is what we've got so far has been pretty shit by most levels of quality and I don't see it improving any time soon.

Archie might have been a trash fire, but at least that made it interesting, IDW somehow ends up even worse because it's boring.
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>one big middle tooth
fucking hate that
even worse than one big eye with two pupils
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>>128247043
It's also why he gives everyone terrible redesigns.
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>>128248949
>"Bioware ripped off Ken Penders by taking broad concepts (a girl echidna with technology, an echidna tech cult, an exile dimension) and writing new stories with them."
>"Ken wasn't ripping anyone off in the first place, despite his stories featuring copious plagiarism of scripts and concepts from Jack Kirby, Rob Bernstein, Steve Ditko, Peter David, Jim Starlin, etc because...uhhhh..."

Kragok is literally Ronan the Accuser and Ken mad-libbed existing scripts several times. Fuck off.
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I just want Shadow to beat the shit out of her already.
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We have enough OCs and game characters at this point to full dozens of comics with fun interactions, so I'm kind of wondering why we aren't doing that yet aside from the camping story.

Whisper's been around for five years and, outside of her introduction, hasn't had interactions with anyone but Tangle and Cream. We haven't even seen her really interact with her Wisp buddies somehow.
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>>128242239
It makes me a little sad that she and Shadow had a Death Battle. Imagine being killed by your hero.
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>>128250542
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Whisper's been around for five years and, outside of her introduction, hasn't had interactions with anyone but Tangle and Cream.

Ian's probably just more comfortable writing OCs with OCs.
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>>128250468
>Ken Penders stories feated copious plagiarism of scripts and concepts from Jack Kirby, Rob Bernstein, Steve Ditko, Peter David, Jim Starlin, etc
I've always heard about this, but given I'm not that well-versed in comics or pre-boot archie, could I ask you to elaborate, please? (Not the same anon, just in case)
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>Manic grin
>HUGE mouth and MASSIVE sharp teeth and fangs
>Punk

No, boner. No. NO STOP N
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>>128250605
>Ian's probably just more comfortable writing OCs with OCs.
Well, that's pretty much something everyone figured out already (either because you consider him just an okeyish writer, or because of the mandate. The poison is up to you to pick)
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>>128250542
Whisper was created to be a lesbian and nothing else, she isn't going to interact with anyone but Tangle.
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Sexy character but boring concept "Hurr durr what if villain is just as fast as SONIC THE HEDGEHOG but also she has ELECTRIMICITY POWERS?!?!?!"

That's some shit school nerds think up sitting in the cafeteria. You know what sonic has enough of? Enemies who are somehow just as fucking fast as him and it's boring because narrative dictates that at the end of the day sonic will always still outrun them. See; metal fucking sonic.
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>>128251997
The dynamic she has going with the other characters is what makes her interesting.
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>Kitsunami

Really? That's his name? REALLY? Fuck you.
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>>128251703

Don't know enough about classic comments to comment on those, but even the quickest look through Ken's run will shock you with how much he lifts from everyone else. Like the time he took a fucking holocaust poem and rewrote it to be about Robotnik, or how in pic related they just literally drop the Millennium Falcon in there (and I suppose imply Lando was banging Nack's sister, but that's neither here nor there.)
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>>128251997
Not a villain but Blaze has the same issue. Introduced as being just as fast as Sonic, but with fire powers. But now she just isn't.
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>>128248949
>>128250468
>>128252195
Remember folks, it's only "borrowing" when he does it!
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>>128251997
They exist because the writer wants a Sonic doppelganger who isn't a game character with existing rules to follow. He loved falling back on Scourge being a "criticism of recolors" but he just wants his own personal Evil Sonic.
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>>128252175
Almost as if the character he's an impostor of has a pun for a name
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>>128252560
Fuck you >:(
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>>128251703
Someone should really make a comprehensive breakdown, but the gist is that very little of Ken's stories come from Ken. Remixing ideas you heard before is common practice (nobody's gonna say he "stole" from the Bible just because he did all the obvious symbolism), but Ken had a nasty habit of lifting shit down to the story beats for no good reason. If you ever read a Thanos comic, you read his Robotnik. If you read the World of Krypton backup series, you've seen where a lot of his Echidnapolis stuff comes from. If you've read Avengers and know who Rama-Tut is, you've seen Enerjak.

Gimme a minute and I'll compile a few things.
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>>128252225
>Introduced as being just as fast as Sonic, but with fire powers.
Technically, this has been an issue for every playable character, tied directly to the game play.
At the end of the day, some games do manage to decrease or increase the speed of certain characters, but overall... they all seem to be "as fast as" Sonic.

On paper (as in game manual, + most related media), though, the only characters capable of matching (but not surpassing) Sonic's top speed are Shadow and Metal Sonic.
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>>128252592
>Gimme a minute and I'll compile a few things.
You have no idea how much I would appreciate it. By all means, take your time.
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Why the fuck does Ken pop up in discussions about Ian/Evan.
Anytime people starting shitting on them some asshole tries to steer the topic towards penders
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>>128252640
Just as he himself is an autistic mess, many of his haters are mirror images. They will not waste any opportunity to talk about him.
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>>128251997
The irony is that...most sonic characters from a gameplay perspective are as fast as sonic. All the genesis characters and handheld characters run at about the same speed. So the only thing really making sonic "the fast one" is the narrative. I mean as much as the narrative wants to state that sonic's got speed and knuckles has strength, a lot of games make it seem like knuckles is just as fast AND also strong.
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>>128252666
>>128252603
Who the hell is talking about the video game versions here my dude? We're clearly talking about the comics, which are very separate from the games.
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>>128252640
>Discussing about the current writers/artists of a comic
>There's absolute no way for the people who preceeded them to be mentioned or discussed at some point just because
Truly a mystery...
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>>128252700
>Who the hell is talking about the video game versions here my dude?
Well, anon, characters like Blaze were, indeed, introduced in a videogame, and you didn't specified it wasn't that one. Plus, I honestly don't remember Blaze ever been as fast as Sonic in the comics, so the logical conclusion would be to assume you were talking about the games.

Now, if you say Blaze was as fast as Sonic in the comics, I have to take your word for it, cause I honestly don't remember that.
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>>128239714
Isn't she just a generic anime shortstack crazy girl and the comic was very open about this characterisation on the first page? She's even green like a goblin gf.
How can you be let down... unless you wanted an interesting archetype that is unique or not something you can find literally anywhere?
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>>128241769
No that's not it.
She's a cartoon girl.
That's it.
That's all porn artists care about.
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>>128252666
That's one of the things I liked about Sonic Battle the most, all the characters were depicted with the type of speed, strength and stamina you would assume they have.
Knuckles, for example, was not very fast, but very strong. However, he had a sprint that allowed him to rush at high speed forward as fast as Sonic (or even faster).
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>>128252640
You know, it is funny that you could ask Ken almost the same thing:
>Why the fuck does Ian pop up in discussions about "insert random topic Penders is sperging about"
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>>128252788
GIWTWM
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what the fuck is a tenrec?
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>A tenrec is any species of mammal within the afrotherian family Tenrecidae endemic to Madagascar.[2] Tenrecs are widely diverse; as a result of convergent evolution[3] some resemble hedgehogs, shrews, opossums, rats, or mice. They occupy aquatic, arboreal, terrestrial and fossorial environments. Some of these species, including the greater hedgehog tenrec, can be found in the Madagascar dry deciduous forests. However, the speciation rate in this group has been higher in humid forests.[4]
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>>128252700
What characters MADE specifically for the comics have been characterized as fast as sonic then? I guess maybe Scourge? (I never really read preboot archie)
Metal is a game character
Shadow is a game character
Blaze is a game character.
If anything being a non-game character who's as fast as sonic MAKES Surge unique.
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>>128252938
A smelly mistake and a detriment to the Hedgehog race.
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>>128253127
Not the same anon, but I think Mina the Mongoose can run like Sonic though I don't remember if as fast as him.
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>>128253130
Hedgehogs literally eat their own shit, aswell as rub said shit all over their bodies
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>>128252833
Isn’t shadow the fastest character in that game?
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>>128252833
It was interesting because there was no "running" everyone had walks and a dash. And sonic's "walk" was the fastest or at least tied with shadow, but his dash was actually just a short hop forward, making it kinda meh. Shadow's dash being a borderline teleport.
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>>128253051
Are those quills? Interesting. I didn't think Tenrecs were prickly.
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>>128253207
Please also take into account other aspects of the game other than plain speed.
Yes, Shadow is faster than Sonic, but at the cost of skidding and long pauses when abruptly changing direction.
Sonic, on the other hand, is the second fastest with perfect maneuverability

You can read it as Sonic controlling his speed, while Shadow is going all out.

>>128253221
>his dash was actually just a short hop forward
Sonic's dash was indeed plain stupid. And Shadow was very unbalanced as his special attacks did unfair levels of damage
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>>128252658
He even has his own hoard of obnoxious A-log weens. Penders really is Chris-Chan but successful and without the incest.
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>>128253276
I've always seen it as shadow being as fast as sonic and the air shoes he has increase that speed anymore by reducing friction. But reducing friction also makes it harder to stop or change directions. That makes sense to me. Sacrificing maneuverability for just a little bit more speed. I think the cool idea is that since Shadow can't stop on a dime he'd probably learn to compensate by constantly circle strafing instead of outright changing direction.
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>>128249450
Jewel is for work only. Hetro if you count fucking the supply closest.
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>>128249851
Think the rule is long as Sonic comes out on top or at least not eating dirt within same issue then its ok.

>>128249732
Were you expecting the death of Eggman?
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>>128253192
t. Filthy inferior Tenrec
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>>128253127
Scourge is. In his intro as anti-sonic he kept up with Sonic in a foot race around the world (comedy days). And It'd be dumb for him not to be as fast since it is sonic.

Mina is fast like her animal namesake but shit for controlling her speed and can't move as fast as sonic.
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>>128252616
Alright, so a lot of the earliest stuff is really innocuous referencing and gags because he was co-writing with Mike Kanterovich, a man who actually is clever, tells funny stories and knows how to reference without just lifting. Still, I'll go over some highlights.

In his first issue, Anti-Mobius is just the Star Trek mirror universe. No big deal, just a goof. All kinds of writers do that joke. In #16 he does the good old "your perfect dream world" cliche from the Odyssey, but it's very specifically based on iconography from multiple Fantastic Four iterations of the story. Still no big deal. Does a King Kong parody, some gags on James Bond, typical things.

Then by #19 he's whacking out a Crisis on Infinite Earths/Council of Kangs kind of deal and Mike's decided to call their big funny robot "Giant Borg" as a reference to "Giant Gorg" and the Borg. The interesting part is that Ken decides to use the robot's arm like the Infinity Gauntlet in the script. It's telling he'd go there first, because he jumps back to Starlin and Thanos a LOT going forward.

Ken gets his first story he wrote wholly by himself in #21 and he IMMEDIATELY plagiarizes Jack Kirby's "The Coming of HIM!" from Fantastic Four #67. There's some vague Amazo/Ultron-isms in there too, but Eve's story is extremely similar to this one, down to the whole "metamorphosis like a butterfly" imagery and the ending being "and then the perfect creature zaps its creator and leaves the planet to grow and learn."
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>>128254109
Ken falls back on Marvel's various isms but doesn't copy a story again until he rips off a combination of 60s Spider-Man stories ("If This Be My Destiny" where Peter is trapped in a flooding underground facility mixed with "Disaster!" where he suffers amnesia and teams up with Doc Ock). That story directly calls it out with a homage cover, so it's not really "stealing", but it's showing that every time Ken tries to get dramatic he filches shit.

Once you reach the 30s, Knuckles backups start up and they're just Jim Starlin-isms, with shadowy figures taunting Knuckles in a computer room. Once he gets the go-ahead to write ACTUAL stories, he gets back to proper filching.

"Sense of History" has Knuckles giving the echidna backstory, and it's literally just Krypton with a twist. They decide to just push the city above the meteor impact site. Ken's so direct about this that, since he DREW this one, he starts tracing from More Fun Comics, where the idea of a Krypton council first emerged (and a panel reused many times). There's a lot of shit he's pulling from here, but it's still only on the level of homage.

Then the "Knuckles Quest" series of backups starts and he repurposes Gallagher's Athair as a figure like Gardner from Thanos Quest: a wise man who is attuned with reality itself. He doesn't get too into that here,but I just wanted to mention it.

Knuckles Quest itself is actually more like the Captain Marvel comics Starlin wrote in its first issue, with Athair serving as a sort of combined version of Mentor and Eon from two different issues telling Captain Marvel about Thanos' backstory via cosmic imagery. Except here it's just a fetch quest. Also Tails is here as a reference to the fact that "Starfox," Thanos's brother, was in the issue he was thinking of. lol

The rest of Knuckles Quest is just Marvel's Black Knight comics for some reason. I really don't have the time to skim through all of those and Conan to find which specific stories Ken stole.
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>>128254253
This has been extremely informative and greatly appreciated, anon.
Honestly, thank you very much for this.
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>>128254253
Endgame is basically just Infinity Gauntlet (except Snively/Nebula's meddling kills Robotnik in this case instead of just setting up the next act of the story because Ken hates Robotnik) and the movie "The Fugitive" fused together, but that's big and broad. What's more important is that this is the first example I have where Ken straight up starts pulling out comics from a few years back and just copy pasting them into his scripts wherever he finds it appropriate.

This generalized style of narration was popularized by earlier books, but the specific syntax is clearly copied from Spider-Man: The Lost Years. The actual composition of the page is also built off a jumble of panels from issue 2, just mirrored.

Point here is more that it's not all high concept. Ken also just copies stuff for a single page at a time just to fill in gaps instead of writing it himself.

>>128254346
This is barely scratching the surface and only covering the first few years. He gets far more flagrant going forward. I'm going to just start uploading really obvious examples from this point on.
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>>128254449
Ever wonder what the fuck Ken was thinking with the Source of All?

It's just Jim Starlin's Infinity Well.
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>>128254449
I have to leave the computer for a few hours, but in case just we get archived, thank you very mucho for this again. I imagine it must not be that comfortable going throughout all the Penders era.
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>>128254497
Ever wonder why Enerjak is a pharaoh for no reason? It's because he's Rama-Tut, who is also Kang the Conquerer, a big funny techno villain man.
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>>128239714
Scourge is never coming back just accept it
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>>128239714
>a let down
Like all sonicfaggots are to their parents, siblings, extended family, neighbours, the world at large, God, and themselves
Huh
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>>128254618
Why'd Ken put a whole chapter in about his dying dad? Yeah, it mattered to him. Was it just some wholly original idea?

Nah! He was just loosely applying his dad's death to Mother's Day, a story in Spider-Man 2099!

I could go forever, point out the scene with Kragok in the Knuckles series lifted straight from Captain Marvel, show Ken just doing random Spider-Man moments for no reason. I think people get the point. The dude has no creative drive and although it's impossible to track it all down, almost every single word he ever committed to page was just a rework of something someone else did. Very directly.
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>>128254768
Forgot the pic.
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>>128254497
So is there explanation for why the furries must strip naked and dunk themselves in goo?
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>>128254793
Because Ken's weird.
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>>128254793
It's fun
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>>128252788
Sonic characters with humanoid bodies but still being mostly naked does... things to me.
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Test
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>>128244139
>dunno why I've never liked Surge
Dude isn't it obvious? Nobody unironically likes Scourge, he's the epitome of gay 90's edge
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>>128249332
Surge's not her character
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>>128251997
>You know what sonic has enough of? Enemies who are somehow just as fucking fast as him
Honestly when you think about it, there actually isn't a villain in Surge's niche yet. You have Metal Sonic, but he's a robot, perfectly obedient, silent, a killing machine; and you have Shadow, but he's an arrogant smug silent type, and not a villain, just an asshole. You don't have an outright "fast like Sonic, brash like Sonic, shittalking like Sonic, but evil", other than the obvious character Ian made her an expy of.
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>>128249570
Yeah she's even vaguely tenrec-colored.
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>>128244383
Amy Rose is better than any shit character your shit taste approves of Boco. Also shut up.
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>>128254449
>straight up starts pulling out comics from a few years back and just copy pasting them into his scripts wherever he finds it appropriate.
I want to emphasise this for you, anon. It's one thing to be lifting from old silver age Superman comics, stuff from his childhood or even before. But Starlin's work he was lifting from? Some of it wasn't even a decade old yet. It'd be like Ian lifting from Dan Slott's Superior Spider-Man, right now.

Which he did, but in a much more vague way than Penders did his copying.
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Lost Hedgehog Tales when?
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>>128257193
In two weeks
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>>128257143
Being inspired by or doing your own take on someone else's story isn't a bad thing.

The reason Ken's a bitch is because it's constant and never creatively recontextualized, to the point that it's hard to believe any aspect of his writing is his own. We have examples where we KNOW none of it is actually his own, even. Ken has no creative voice and his stories are only identifiable by the kinds of things he copies, not the actual ideas he wants to express or tools he likes falling back on.

Honestly, Ian's similar, he's just not shameless. The guy gets stuck on appeasing fans and implementing ideas from stuff he likes to the point that he smothers his own voice as a writer. I think that's a big part of why people get frustrated with him dragging things out and making shallow references; they like him as a writer and get disappointed when he slinks back and puts other people's ideas first.
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>>128257717
>Being inspired by or doing your own take on someone else's story isn't a bad thing.
Sure, but I feel it's a bit more awkward when it's a take on something super recent, which is what always makes me a bit nervous when I notice how much Ian lifted from the Justice League cartoon and so on. That said he tends to do it a lot more gracefully than Penders, so eh.
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>>128257751
Nah, fuck that. If you want to make a response or remaining, sooner is better so it's more obvious that's what you're doing.
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>>128254449
>>128254253
Thanks for again proving me that Archie comics were shit.
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Any pics of Surge and Sonic making out or something haha
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>>128258320
>half the cast has tragic backstories on par with Shadow's
>ten million Knuckles recolors
>number of likeable characters can be counted on one hand
>Eggman is a mass-murdering edgelord
>reboot so focused on worldbuilding that it gets through exactly one storyline before getting canceled
>Cabal of Secret Grandpas
>Penders' daddy issues
>King Max
>anons' half-joking SonicXElias fanfics sound genuinely more interesting than the actual comic
They really were.
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>>128258320
The Penders/Boller years were the worst because of the feud. Everything else is decent to good.
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>>128258538
Lmao no. Going through Ian’s Archie run chronologically there’s:
>More of Sonic’s relationshit drama
>Needless and overabundant lore and exposition dumping
>An entire arc spent on Sir Connery and everybody’s favourite part of the Sonic games: the Kingdom of Acorn’s monarchy
>The death of everybody’s favourite character Tommy Turtle, why yes this is the perfect thing to waste Tails’ DESTINY from #56 on
>Ruining Rouge’s character beyond repair, Round 1
>Turning Tails into a cuck, Round 2
>House of Cards
>Yet MORE political shit
>Yet MORE of Sonic’s relationshit drama
>The Sonic X comic run
>Wasting more than a year’s worth of irl time on Scourge standing around in Sonic’s treehouse doing nothing, without managing to let the SS do literally anything or even reveal anything on their backstories, because of course if they aren’t a hedgehog then who cares about them?
>More of every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant, Rotor even gets his back broken and nothing has changed as of yet
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>>128257063
Im willing to say that that isn't intentional, her colors are based more on the Ashura glitch
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>>128258678
>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc
>Ruining Rouge’s character again
>An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare
>Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit
>King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit
>Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all
>The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally
>The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course
>The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fucking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
And now obviously I’m only pointing out the extremely big and memorable piles of shit with Flynn’s name on em in the manure field that is Archie. There are a lot of other smaller turds you’ll find littered between the issues. Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
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>>128258682
I can tell you with certainty it isn't.
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>>128258320
So wait, you're saying shit is objectively better than IDW? Brutal.
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>>128258678
>>128258697
>Rougefag
Entire posts discarded.
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I miss Sonic Universe.
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>>128258678
>>128258697
While I don’t like everything he did, I enjoyed more things than that. But you’re right that he is held in high regard because honestly not many other writers come close. Boller maybe got a raw deal and Gallagher is cringe inducing but endearing in his puns and lighthearted stories. Early Penders was even good but he never reached the heights of Endgame, his magnum opus. Even his early Knuckles was good before he bloated that series with crap.
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>>128258678
>>128258697
I liked the Enerjak Reborn arc though.
>killed Locke
>dumped the Cabal of Secret Grandpas into the Phantom Zone
>got rid of the dingos
>rekt 90% of Eggman's base
Man, Dr. Finitevus was fucking based.
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>>128258800
To be fair, Rouge did come across as a real sociopathic cunt in a lot of her early Archie appearances. She was even willing to steal the Sol Emeralds and destroy Blaze's world.
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>>128258828
If IDW Sonic can last another decade, we'll get Sonic Galaxy.
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>>128258984
Not even then. Her interactions with Scourge firmly had her state a no killing rule. And that was when she was written be fucking Penders.
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>>128257063

Ya know, Shadow was almost a tenrec.
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>>128258984
Yeah because she’s supposed to be a selfish person. It’s in-character for her. It’s not Ian’s fault that the fandom only wants her to be Shadow’s/Knuckles’s cocksleeve instead of a jewel thief.
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>>128259059
>Her interactions with Scourge firmly had her state a no killing rule.
Which was out of character for her. She had no issues with blowing up prison island in SA2.
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>>128259093
Kek you wanna talk about what her character is “supposed” to be? Alright then:
Name one instance anywhere in the games where she prioritised the life of an entire world, nay, an entire dimension over owneeship of a pretty rock.
You can already cross SA2 - Rouge’s literal debut - off your list, considering said debut is Rouge willingly handing over the Master Emerald to the heroes and working to stop the destruction of Earth by using the Master Emerald in Knuckles’ possession.
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>>128259165
Also Sonic X - the anime directly written, overseen and directed by members of Sonic Team - which had her horrified and enraged at seeing the Metarex killed an entire planet just to mass-produce chaos emeralds, then destroyed said facility herself.
As opposed to Archieshit Rouge, who would deliberately allow an entire universe to slowly perish so she can hold onto a single gemstone.
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>>128259293
>so she can hold onto a single gemstone
Wasn’t she on a mission for GUN?
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>>128259675
She was in one arc and her motives made no sense.
>I'll hold off on giving Sonic the chaos emerald, just to get more ratings!
>Nevermind that this is risking the entire planet.
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>>128259812
She probably thought that they’d save the day anyway and just wanted to make some money off of it.
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>>128259812
Ian seems to like villains who bite off more than they can chew. She thought she'd just get nice ratings and then the heroes'd somehow win anyway, then realizes she is risking everything including herself
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>>128239714
You're saying was as if her character will never be seen again.
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>>128260248
RIP in peace
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>>128245054
Ian's copy-pasting her lines from the Archie comics. Yes, I'm overinvested in the series, but I can't be the only person who noticed that.
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>>128259091
Boco-dono, please allow me the honor of sucking you off.
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>>128257063
>literally nature's ow the edge.
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>>128257193
Any day now... aaaaaaaaaaany day...
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>>128261598
IAN FLYNN IS A BITCH-ASS MOTHERFUCKER
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>>128253426
I thought the rule was "Sonic is allowed to lose ONCE but has to will in the end."
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>>128261710
Have we ever gotten Sonic get his ass beat like in Archie 175? I guess his fight against Bass would be the closest.
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>>128261710
He lost repeatedly during the zombot nonsense. The rule is simply that by the end, he has to win, and that losses have to be surpassable.
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Is it just me or these comics take themselves seriously too much? From what I have skimmed, Eggman is a totally serious, evil villain here and Sonic is some sort of freedom fighter instead of the laid-back guy he is on the games
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>>128261837
30 years ago one of the American cartoon adaptations of Sonic shoved him in an entirely unrelated stock 80s plot setup of freedom fighters against a dictator and we've been suffering the consequences ever since
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>>128261837
Robotnik was a holdover from his SatAm self. Eggman’s not totally serious, at least once Flynn starts his run. He’ll still do monstrous things but have goofy moments like singing his theme song while burning down a village or lose his memory and spend an issue making YTP quotes.
Sonic’s the same, a holdover from his SatAm self, not that Sonic ever had a solid personality other than “cool guy”.
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>>128261988
More like shoved him into a pre-existing show that he was never meant to be part of. If rumors are true.
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>>128239714
We want the edgy waifu audience.
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>>128260949
brutal
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>>128262440
She’s about as edgy as a PBSkids show character.
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>>128263337
Maybe edgy the wrong word she defenitly gives off bad girl/alpha girl punk vibes. they definitely aimed to made her sexy as heck . Im not even a furry.
>shark teeth
>stacked
>smug
>treating the viewer like prey to be owned
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>>128263606
She's only stacked in fanart and the art of one specific artist
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>>128263606
She’s also a lesbian
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>>128263773
Oh anon, you think everyone is a lesbian.
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>>128263886
Every IDW oc female has been a lesbian. This is just par for the course
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>>128263773
Wasn't the meme that she's trans
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>>128264031
She’s a trans lesbian
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>>128264007
>>128263773
>this one character who's only ever interacted with 2 male characters is lesbo
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>>128264884
IDW hasn't created a straight female OC so it's safe to assume Surge is a lesbian
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>>128264927
Ok I’ll bite.
I’ll assume Tangle & Whisper are “confirmed” lesbian. I’m aware Jenhen pairs Jewel with another female OC.
So that leaves Belle. Prove to me that Belle is lesbian.
No “hurr well you can’t prove she’s NOT cause she hasn’t kissed a boy yet” either. You made the initial claim, and so burden of proof falls upon you. Prove that Belle is lesbian.
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>>128265056
She's only been around females since she left Sonic/Tails, it's obvious
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>>128265056
>Jenhen
I forget she is (or was) part of the artist team of IDW Sonic.
Wasn't she fired for trying to ship her OCs (that did made background cameos) with the official characters she shipped them with as background easter egg?
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I miss Diana Skelly's art.
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>>128249933
>this

Also: When did people want to turn Sonic from a teens franchise to a kids franchise? It feels like a bunch of autists who seethed throughout the 90's and 00's and then just took over gradually when the franchise was at its worst financially and turned sonic into safe, baby garbage.
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>>128260949
God, Mecha Madness was such a fun comic…I still have it in pretty good condition after all these years!
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>>128265056
when did turning every character into lesbians switch from being male gaze problematic porn to sjw progressive porn?
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>>128259812
she should've been a little brother fucker like the original
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>>128246472
Archie is a rip on Fleetway Sonic
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>>128268111
Men back in the day had to work to get their lesbian fix. Zoomers these days get it wherever they look and they're spoiled so much they've come to hate it. A man dying of thirst watching a man drowning.
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>>128249492
>>128249570
>>128257063
>>128261289

ERRYDAY I'M TRUFFLIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9kJKu4cpXM
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>>128268679
oh, i forgot.

tenrecs have 16 sets of nipples
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>>128268232
>when teal is yellow
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>>128249492

If I remember right, tenrec and lemur species basically evolved to fill a bunch of roles that would have been filled by a wide range of mammalian species outside of Madagascar.

>>128261289

Well, it is Madagascar after all. Edge is to be expected.
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>>128268707
>tenrecs have 16 sets of nipples
Let the nsfw artist go mad!!
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Eh, I thought she was pretty cool, can't wait to see her get humbled by either kit or her own hubris. Why do people think she'll be lesbian? Even if that happens, Sega will come down on IDW like triple H if there is even the slightest whiff of unapproved development.
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>>128269682
>Why do people think she'll be lesbian?
Mostly because for the current writers and artists working on the comic the "Sexual Orientation Setting" of OCs is set to "Gay" by default.
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Would you have a liked this? Put yourself in the mindset you had in 05-06, Archie is still going strong at this time.
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>>128269682
You really thinks Sega actually gives a shit after like a year of the comic dykeing out with Tangle and Whisper? That ship’s practically canon now.
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>>128259675
I hate how they thought in AOSTH she had hair when it was just differently colored quills
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>>128269985
>Blue Chaos Emerald plothole
Which was that plothole again?

Also, that "Sallise" is actually quite cute.
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>>128239714
>letdown
If you expect anything but incidental or purposeful mediocrity from IDW Sonic at this point then that's your own fault. Sega kneecapped the run from the start and other than some of the artists, it's not really filled with top talent to make up for it either. The comic stopped being worth purchasing even out of devotion to the franchise tens of issues ago.
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>>128244121
>The only issue I have with her is that she's working with Starline and I don't like Starline.

She hates him too though. If not for reprogramming, she probably would've already killed him.
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>>128270423
Silver and Shadow leaving the blue emerald with Elise 10 years in the past. It's a plothole if we're assuming all the past games happen before 06 and that it isn't a complete reboot, which can technically go either way regardless of what things they choose to reference from previous entries.
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>>128261196
Whose character's lines is Ian copying from ?
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>>128269682
>pic
Oh nice, new Sonic X fake screenshots !
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>>128270569
I remember the blue emerald thingy being a sort of stable loophole.
As in:
>Elisa has mysterious second blue chaos emerald in her possession
>Sonic and company and Eggman come into picture carrying the 7 chaos emeralds, including the first blue
>At some point, due to time travel shenanigans, Silver leaves the first blue emerald with child Elise, thus creating the second blue emerald
>Now the second blue emerald becomes the first blue emerald once again
Or something like that... it's been a while
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>>128270645
>loophole
timeloop*
Sorry, my brain dozed off for a second
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>>128270645
I'm not sure that checks out, do you have some autistic half hour youtube rant that proves it?
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>>128270819
No, this is coming straight from my memories of 16 years ago.
So, if I'm wrong, I would be more than happy for anyone to correct me.
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>>128240447
Surge looks better than scourge by far. Design stands out more than "Green sonic"
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>>128270841
Kek, I get that you expect the game to have had some reasoning for it but the simple fact is tje plot is just that poorly written.
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>>128248949
oh wow, an actual pendersfag, never thought I'd see the day.
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>>128270893
He's not wrong, Bioware clearly drew inspiration from the comics. It shouldn't have been a problem because Sonic series is a multimedia franchise, not the sort of thing where it's like one guy came up with everything and owns all the ideas like Penders thinks he does, but the Archie influence in the game is undeniable. It does make him look like a huge hypocrite though, since he is, after he stole so many ideas himself and much more blatantly to boot.
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>>128263606
>made her sexy as heck . Im not even a furry.
I've got good news and I've got bad news for you.
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>>128270884
Truth to be told, I don't even like Sonic 06.
But that's honestly something that registered in my mind at the time.
Not like I ever replayed it, or anything, so the memory stayed like that. If you say it was never like that, then I have no reason to not believe you.
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>>128270972
>Bioware clearly drew inspiration from the comics
I don't think there is anyone who has said the contrary, though.

But drawing inspiration and then doing a rip-off are two distinct things, and that's where everyone seem to be disagreeing with the anon.
Bioware wanted to make the bad guys an evil echidna lost civilization and also introduce a possible actually recurring echidna character (something Tikal has never been), and for that they took inspiration from the comics.
However, the executions of both concepts are so radically different, only superficial comparisons are possible.
As the company director of Tezuka's studios said regarding the Lion King:
>"any similarities in their plots are based in the facts of nature and therefore are two different works".
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>>128271177
I do the same thing, come up with headcanons on the fly while stuff is happening to justify it, with an openness to change my mind when new information presents itself. It'd be nice if 06 cared to make sense at least of itself, let alone its place in the timeline, but the writers either didn't have time to iron out the script or just didn't care.
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>>128249851
He is going to let her bet him up and then he'l say "I onky used 1% of my power"
>>128250542
There is also Silver.
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>>128258697
As an Unleashedfag I've steadily grown to dislike the Unleashed adaptation.

Good that it happened after the reboot, but the sheer ammount of characters still ultimately were detrimental. The manpig was underutilized and perhaps most importantly, they messed up the key plotpoint of Sonic and Chip's relationship by having the two meet until halfway through the story.
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>>128250542
Whisper is introverted, they're not really famous for their social butterfly tendencies.
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>>128239714
as opposed to what?? those "well written characters"???
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>>128271548
Yeah I thought that was lame too. Either keep him mostly with Knuckles then with everyone or start him out properly with Sonic. But all it does is serve as a reminder that Knuckles is Ian's favorite character, which is probably part of why he hates Penders.
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>>128270884
Poorly written is an understatement. The whole story literally retcons ITSELF out of existence.
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Could Surge, Scourge, Blaze, Shadow, Knuckles, Silver, Metal Sonic, Neo Metal Sonic, Mecha Sonic mk.II, Eclipse, Shard, Jet, or Mighty defeat fully powered Emerl in a one on one fight?
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>>128271577
>The whole story literally retcons ITSELF out of existence.
That part is entirely intentional and not what makes it poorly written. I can't believe people still don't get this, it isn't 4D chess. It isn't even 2D chess.
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>>128258451
>Cabal of Secret Grandpas
This is the worst shit
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>>128258957
No villain since has really been able to accomplish what he has, nothing in IDW comes close.
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>>128269985
>more sally
>continuing her long term romance with sonic across various continuities
Sign me the fuck up.
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>>128269985
>both her and sonic develop a strong friendship instead of a romantic relationship
BOOOOOOOOOO
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>>128269985
replacing elise with sally is rendered entirely pointless by ALSO removing the romance. pick one or the other.
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>>128271737
>>128271726
BLAM
BLAM
BLAM
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>>128261775
Good guys don't actually get hurt in IDW, just tired and/or dirty.
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>>128271847
Actually, to my pleasant surprise, The Zeti put up a good fight in their last appearance. Easily one of the best issues because Sonic and Tails were getting their ass whooped and had to scrape together a narrow win. Also, Zavok yanked on Tangle's tail and slamming her against the door.
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>>128271895
I mostly skimmed that one since it focused on the zeti. All I remember is people bitching about the ending.
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>>128271708
>No villain since has really been able to accomplish what he has
Being Knuckles, but white, evil, and smart?
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How do you feel about romance in Sonic? Like in general?
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>>128272022
It has proven time and time again no matter the continuity to be cringe.
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>>128271921
Makes sense. Sonic does his usual thing and just sends the Zeti back and Zavok's like "seriously?" The fight's good but everything before and after it is boring.
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>>128272006
The only similarity is their visual designs, retard.
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>>128272022
Sonic's a teenager and he was horny as fuck in AoStH and it worked. There's also SatAM and while Sally seemed to like giving out kisses as rewards, it was obvious she only wanted to lock lips with one person. Tails. No actually Sonic but Tails gets some action. It didn't work in Archie because editors and writers kept fucking with his romance with Sally and pairing him up with other girls (apparently there were plans to hook him up with Amy and they were to keep it secret). And of course there's Sonic 06. It just needs to be done well and IMO left as it is when he gets with a girl. Sonic Boom had a little bit of romance and that was fine. Shame we never got anything more than hints and a few moments of actual interest from Sonic.
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>>128272022
It's like socialism, one could say "truly good romance in Sonic has never been tried" but the fact is it will be shit no matter what.
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>>128272114
Finitevus was called a "Photo-negative" version of Knuckles, speedreader-kun.
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>>128272175
Their personalities, AKA the thing that matters most in a character, are completely different.
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>>128272131
>Shame
It really isn't. Barely passable CGI characters macking on screen is cringe no matter what series it is.
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>>128272355
I just wanted more cute moments. I really wanted that damn third season they said was going to happen before Sega cancelled it.
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>>128272047
>>128272139
Cosmo and Tails are the greatest and you both are just cringeworthy apathetic fucks.
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>>128272404
Tails and Cosmo's "romance" was ultra-cringe, dude.
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>>128272404
>tails: my girlfriend died and turned into a house plant
>sonic: that's rough, buddy
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>>128272417
Literally endorsed and canon. Literally as endorsed and respecting to source material like Elise and Sonic. LITERALLY no shitty melodrama.

No, fuck off. You don't know what's good of Sonic.
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>>128272404
Tails and Cosmo only worled because it was so short and because of all the drama surrounding her specifically.
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>>128272417
Get cancer and die
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>>128272447
>Literally endorsed and canon.
So is the entire Colors era which is cringe personified.
>like Elise and Sonic
Not a positive. Not even in the slightest.
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Tailsmofags as fragile and cringe as always
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>>128272456
Anon, you know where that kind of talk will land you, right?
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@128272491
Based shitposter
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I unironically like Sonic X, but to claim it as best of something is a little bit...
I mean, even for anime standards is lacking.
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>>128272528
Learn to recognize obvious bait, anon.
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It is time for us to discuss the most tragic Sonic creator, Evan Stanley, who is no longer allowed to draw toes or fangs.
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>>128272653
>blob feet mandated
>fangs are no longer allowed
How do you go from this to IDW and not feel like your soul has been ripped out from you?
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>>128272674
>How do you go from this to IDW and not feel like your soul has been ripped out from you?
The small glimpse of hope you hold at making all your gay headcanons... actually canon
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>>128272662
>>128249412
I've been wondering... did the fans always hyped so much over new characters during the Archie era to the point of making this kind of animations?

Or it is that we just live in a generation of very talented people?
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>>128272674
You know, after seeing this maybe the Sega mandates aren't so bad.
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>>128272704
Generation of starved for content.
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>>128272737
What? Don't you think Metal Sonic looks better with toes?
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>>128272704

I think it's both but also that technology makes it not only easier to make works of this quality but get them out there than it was ten or fifteen years ago.
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>>128272737
If there is one good thing, maybe the only good thing, that can be said about the Sega Mandates is that they keep woketers like Evan under control.

Friendly reminder that she admitted to add gay undertones between Sonic and Shadow in certain scenes she drew.
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>>128272674
>>128272757
Go back to your containment threads, you Spawns of Evan!
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>>128272800
Evil Nicole is one of the best villains to be created for a Sonic comic.
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>>128272757
What the fuck is wrong with her holy shit, not even based robots are safe
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>>128272768
>woketers
Oh god, not one of you cringe comicsgators.
>Friendly reminder that she admitted to add gay undertones between Sonic and Shadow in certain scenes she drew.
That is the least of her offenses and honestly a better ship than most Sonic ships.
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>>128272839
>That is the least of her offenses
Still an offense, though
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>>128239714
I love her, bros. I can fix her...
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>>128272856
If she got fixed it would make her boring. I won't let you fix her, anon. Draw your sword!
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How did anyone get over the way the gut wrenching metal virus story broke you?
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>>128272653
>Not allowed to draw fangs
Have you seen how she draws Whisper anon ?
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>>128273032
Apparently it's something that's been cracked down on recently.
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>>128273032
Say goodbye to Whisper's pointy chompers in future issues
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Why is so much of IDW's colors just flats? You look at it next to other comic books coming out and the difference incoloring ability is just laughable.
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>>128269985
You do know most people hate Elise for things other then then romance, right?
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>>128273212
Such as?
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>>128272674
Screw Sonic vs Surge. I want Surge vs Blaze
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why are they cracking down on SOVL? what's the point of reading comics anymore if its always going to be safe/risk-averse?
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>>128273349
The comics are just a commercial tie in. Also Sonic needs to go on forever but always be familiar like Mario so it can never significantly change.
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>>128268111
those lesbians were attractive. New lesbians are purposely made ugly or man haters
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>>128268018
Sonic has always been a kids franchise. In fact its the autism that drove it teen attempts and arguably failed with such stellar attempts such as 06 and forces.
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>>128269985
No. Problem is Elise is complete 180 from who Sally was at this time. The princess would have made more sense as an unexperienced blaze with it set before rush. Or even better just a random new furry.

Also even with the fix game still sucks due to gameplay.
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>>128273479
Which of the female IDW OCs are ugly or openly hate men?
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>>128273559
>game still sucks due to gameplay.
Sonic 06's gameplay was never the main problem.
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>>128273577
Which of the female IDW OCs were created for the male gaze?
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>>128273611
None, because this is a kid’s franchise. Frontiers is literally rated age 3+
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>>128273639
>It's a kid's franchise
then why're there lesbians?
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>>128273649
Because the people that work in the comics are of the opinion that teaching kids about homosexual relationships is a fair thing to do
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>>128273577
>are ugly
Tangle and Whisper.

>openly hate men?
Whisper's ultimate antagonist is a man. Soon enough, she will become mad and spiral into misandry. Mark my words.
Also, all the new boy OCs so far have been only villains. You put the 2 + 2.
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>>128273649
To exist as kids characters who just so happen to hold hands with other girls, not to be your pathetic sexualised coombait
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>>128272653
Why tho? How she drew Whisper's fangs was great
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>>128273673
MAPs shouldn't be working in children's entertainment
>>128273683
>pushing your fetish onto kids isn't degenerate
keep your fetishes out of children's media
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>>128251944
Lesbians being forced straight is one of my favorite fetishes
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>>128273704
You're trying a wee bit too hard. No wonder you lost the culture war.
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>>128273680
>Whisper's ultimate antagonist is a man.
So Sonic is a man-hater too then?
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>>128273611
They're all created for general appeal. Arguably the only one made for male gaze is Rouge.
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>>128273639
>one game is for kids, that means they all are!
One female character, Amy, isn't a lesbian. By your logic that means all the femOCs are straight.
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>>128273863
Sonic's not mentally ill. Whisper is.
Only reaffirming my point being lesbians nothing, but salvage monsters.
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>>128273908
>Sonic's not mentally ill.
He literally willingly lets all of his most dangerous foes off scot free. He is insane and delusional. Whisper has anger issues and trust issues, both of which have clear and understandable reasons. Sonic has been shown to be wrong every step of the way yet continues to make the same mistakes.
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>>128273829
Trying with what? It’s wrong to push your fetishes onto children. I know the lgbt think children are sexual but they’re not
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>>128272086
Yeah, Ian or whoever is the main writer now WILL found a way to bring these fuckers back. They'll likely scrape together the rocket Tails sent them back home on and fly back to Mobius (give the planet a name or call it Earth already Sega).
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>>128272448
If only we had more moments in the show, that, and her not dying at the end.
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>>128258854
Endgame is a terrible comic and I don't get what people see in it.
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>>128274590
The Zeti are seat fillers, they're only brought in when nothing else is an option.
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>>128274687
It’s the first Sonic arc
Contrary to popular belief people prefer long over arching stories
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>>128274712
>It’s the first Sonic arc
No it isn't.
The first arcs are the Uncle Chuck arc by DeCesare, Gallagher's Tails arc, Penders' first Knuckles arc, and Mecha Madness. Endgame was an awful story full of holes, unable to figure out what tone it was going for and overall just a mess. There's some cool drawings in there, but it's a terrible story.
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>>128274756
There's also the Sally mini and the two parts of Nicole's origin story, but they weren't really proper narratives.
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>>128274590
I'd live to see a writer who actually likes these guys take a crack at them. They'd be fun if they weren't taken seriously.
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>>128271577
>the whole story literally retcons ITSELF out of existence.
here's the interesting side effect....
The Sonic timeline operates on the single string theory, so multiple timelines can't exist. However, Silver the Hedgehog became immune to anything changing the past that would erase his existence.
Also, Silver would remember all bad futures. genocides like the zombot virus can't erase him either.
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>reading Sonic comics and following their lore
And people say the games went retarded in the story department
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>>128274912
The adventure series and 06 have great stories.
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>>128274928
>and 06
lol
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>>128274875
Make em' a goon squad or something, or at least have Zavok try to be the serious one while the others are goofy in some way.
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>>128274590
aw thats cute
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>>128274928
The adventure series and Battle have great stories
FTFY
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>>128274942
I mean that's what they were in Lost World. Zor and Zeena and Zazz and Zomom are supposed to be nitwit who get into shenanigans. I'd love stories that play on their goofy qualities.

The way Ian writes the Zeti feels like if someone tried to make Scratch and Grounder "menacing."
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>>128275380
>if someone tried to make Scratch and Grounder "menacing."
That's a good way to look at it. Part of me wishes Modern Sonic would embrace some of the slapstick that AoStH had, Riders got close with the exaggerated attacks.
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>>128272022
the "ban" on romance is one of the few good things to come out of the mandates
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>>128275783
It's still pretty heavy-handed with Tangle and Whisper, who feel stupidly forced as friends alone.
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>>128275506
>Riders got close with the exaggerated attacks.
Riders 1 had a great mix of serious and comedic tones in style. I wish it had an anime series.
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>>128276302
>who feel stupidly forced as friends alone
Makes me wonder if that would hold true, if they actually stopped trying to imply them as a couple
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>>128275783
>few good things
What are the bad things
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>>128274590
sega actually gave ian free pass to make zeti OCs if he wanted but of course no one wants that
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>>128277823
The ban on everything else that'd make the comics interesting.
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>>128272704
>did the fans always hyped so much over new characters during the Archie era to the point of making this kind of animations?
No, because barely any Archie characters were worth that kind of hype.
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>>128278255
and IDW does?
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>>128252195
You won't hear me call it a good joke, but that Millennium Falcon is clearly a joke. The implication is she used to date Han Solo. Or maybe Lando. This isn't a case of "he stole the design and thought you wouldn't notice."
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>>128278266
Yes.
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>>128274956
>Battle
My man.
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>>128273032
It does make her look a bit too feral. But I don't like reigning in artists with all these rules.
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>>128277933

Fucking Sega...
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>>128273680

>Whisper
>ugly

You need glasses.
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>>128278266
Only for cooming. That's why almost all the OC's are female. Archie's greatest failure was making more male OC's than female ones.
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>>128277933
God, why does Sega love its worst characters so much? May as well give him permission to make his own wisps. Like, who fucking cares?
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>>128278160
>Intentionally vague non-statement.
So nothing.
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>>128278703
Ian should make dozens of zetis that are just recolors and create a convoluted society to make Sega have PTSD flashbacks so that they ban all zetis and pretend they don't exist.
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>>128278703
>Company says "Yeah, it's cool, make whatever."
>This is somehow spun as a negative.
I don't get you people.
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>>128278735
>nothing
No, anon... everything. They'll ban colors next and you'll think that you were reading a manga. A very bland manga.
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>>128273032
But that's ABT's art.
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>>128278768

Its not "whatever". Its pushing their Creator's Pet that absolutely no one else likes, but Sega is either too ignorant or stubborn to care.
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>>128278773
>Still has no actual examples
Why even bother with the pretense? You're using this as a scapegoat. You don't have any actual opinions about any particular guidelines.
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>>128278768
Oh shit, it's Iizuka! Sir, I just wanna say that the Deadly Six suuuuuuuuuuuuck!
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>>128278797
>"You are allowed to make new iterations of XXX if you like" becomes "Company is pushing a creator's pet."
You're taking "stupid tripfag" to a new level.
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>>128278768
Context, anon. ZETI are worthless. They bungled their introduction as a species/group/characters. Nobody likes them and they look like a ragtag group of children's preschool TV show characters designed to teach you primary colors or some shit. They could have cool lore, and they seem like they should, given a conch shell controls them (?)... but yet there's nothing there, and any writer who backfills that lore will only feel like they're doing a patch job. It's a worthless endeavor, and they're worthless characters except Zeena can make me coom as the closest thing to a Rouge 2.0 they've ever introduced.
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>>128278825
Iizuka is a hack fraud who should be fired. Fuck that guy. He can't direct or produce a game to save his life.
Doesn't change that you spergs are too busy getting mad at an easy scapegoat to actually create informed opinions, which will just poison future feedback.
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>>128278864
This is as stupid as saying "Marine sucks so Sega acknowledging we can create more raccoon characters is a bad thing."
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>>128278844
He's right though. Every time Sega "allows" something it's not something fans already like. It's their desire to make their modern garbage into something beloved.
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>>128278810
Considering that 90% of this thread is complaining about IDW, I can't take you seriously. So I'm just going to say that Iizuka just banned oxygen. Good luck reading this comic when you can't breathe.
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>>128278844

Its not "if you like", Sega actively encourages Ian to make new Zeti and flesh out Lost Hex. He doesn't want to because he knows people hate them and the last arc writing them out of the comic was given a tepid reception.
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>>128278895
What a worthless comparison. When did Sega say that? Oh they didn't? And fans don't care about Marine one way or the other? Well why did you think that was valid to say?
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>>128278913
>"You're being ridiculous."
>"Oh yeah? What if I said something EVEN MORE ridiculous?!?!"
Something is wrong with your brain, dude.
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>>128278874
But anon, it's been poisoned for years. Sega burned down everything, section them off, and then sterilized what remained. That's what we have now. Even people that "defend" IDW only do so out of spite. Because it's less about what they like and more about what they hate, which is everything else. Nobody truly likes IDW. They just tolerate its mediocre existence.
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>>128272022
I think mild romantic influence on characters could be a good driver of plot. But Archie also didn't do this very well except maybe Antoine and Bunnie's marriage.

Everything about Fiona and Sally, for example. Sally had just WAY too many love interests and it's unclear what they were trying to do. And the melodrama about Fiona, blech.
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>>128277933
thanks Ian a show of restraint
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>>128279027
>Antoine and Bunnie's marriage
That was the best thing that happened because remember, they even broke up and Bunnie spent the day with Scourge who was pretending to be Sonic. Relationships are fine but messing with them is what ruins things for everyone. Fiona and Sonic were crap for a lot of reasons but Fiona and Scourge were fine because they were actually committed to each other.
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>>128278874
Iizuka sucks, but by all accounts, the people around him suck worse. So him going away would probably only make Sonic worse.
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>>128278987
>No, no, it's not poisoning discourse!
>THOSE FUCKERS poisoned discourse, everything is THEIR FAULT and EVERYONE is just operating on spite!
Do you have any idea how fuckinh ridiculous you sound?

Interacting with this fanbase is the fucking worst. Most attempts I made to talk about the bad practices in the comic when it launched were met with fanboys labeling the arguments as hate and trolling and making sweeping statements instead of engaging in discussion. Now when I see ridiculous generalizations that take the onus off writers and treat entire concepts as inherently negative, I get the same kind of shitty non-arguments and sweeping generalizations if I try to talk about how ridiculous these ideas are.

Is the fandom just mostly made up of people unable to talk about things? It always seems to come down to THING GOOD or THING BAD with no room to discuss the actual ideas being shouted about.
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>>128279088
It's hard to say. The company needs an infusion of managers, directors and producers who know what the fuck they're doing.
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>>128279082
Yeah. Bunnie "falling asleep" with "not-sonic" was probably one of the grossest things Penders ever did. Aside from implying the Skunk fucked Sally. But I'm certainly not including that in my implication that Antoine and Bunnie were handled nicely.
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>>128279121
That's the problem with these corporations. These fuckwits high on the ladder are nested like ticks and only people higher on the ladder could ever dislodge them. Maybe old age can take them away, but that's not something we can bank on.
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>>128279099
Well, if you think everything is fine then good for you. Most people have gripes and expect better. Differing opinions and all that. I can tell that you like everything and enjoy IDW comics for what they are. You have no complaints at all.
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>>128277933
>zeti OCs
it sad how theese fucks get to be in the comic but marine cant be in the comic
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>>128279196
She was only removed from the end of Metal Virus because editorial said characters can't be introduced at the end of an arc. It would've been Marine's first IDW appearance and apparently that's a no-no.
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>>128279193
>It always seems to come down to THING GOOD or THING BAD with no room to discuss the actual ideas being shouted about.
>if you think everything is fine then good for you
You might actually have a mental disability, anon.
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>>128261627
Based Eggman strikes again!
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>>128278768
Because they aren't like that with other characters.
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>>128279219
Then why the hell do you add blaze to the comic if shes just gonna be a cardboard for the entire comic series ?
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>>128272768
Friendly reminder that:
>"Sonic does not matter whether it is a woman or a man" - Naoto Ohshima
>Shiro Maekawa bought a Sonadow doujin
>Both Sonic and Shadow's creators have liked fanart of the ship
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Folks, is it fine if I'm frequent to rekindle topics or specific comics we had covered up already to discuss about them? I'm not as prominent as lots here are. I had miss all the StC-O storytiming sadly, so now I'm catching it up (and sort of skimming it through at onces) right now.

Man, there's no other most peaking epoch than to talk about Sonic comics right now, what with hidden diamonds that is cool fan-comics. It has been a glamorous experience to me, no matter my preferences.

>>128272022
In my opinion, it's cool to have romance on Sonic, as it's a plain different genre like any other, equally having its sorts of positives and negatives it could bring to a story, hoarding the most from either positive or negative depending on your care and dexterity on writing. Romance has been as far originally implemented on Sonic, as back to Madonna and Amy, so I'm not so much convinced on the widespread idea that it does not belong to Sonic. I think it shouldn't be such a requirement for every Sonic issue, though it's far off from being a sin to bestow upon it.

Romance is good and heart-whelming, and adorable on top of it, just like action is exhilarating and engaging, comedy puts ourselves on a state of evacuating stress and laughing, and so on.

I express about the same spoken ideals as >>128272131, >>128279027 and >>128279082.
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>>128279434
In general? Blaze's world is underdeveloped and there's limitations that can be done with her and her world. For the end of the Metal Virus arc? Ian said he wanted to have Sonic have amnesia for an issue as a bookend to Eggman having amnesia at the start. He said he never intended it to be longer than that. Because honestly it did feel like Sonic was just going to be in Blaze's world for a while but Ian said it was not the case.
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>>128279492

>He said he never intended it to be longer than that

Then what the fuck was the point?
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>>128279492
after the metal virus arc and the metal overlord arc blaze does nothinf in the entire arc same goes for silver so why Keep them in the first place ?
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>>128248592
He's bullshitting. Her character hasn't even been fully established yet. Hell, she hasn't even interacted with any females yet as far I know.
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>>128279575
I wouldn't be surprised if she was, though. Both Ian and Evan seem a little too eager to jump on the LGBT wagon these days. Maybe that's IDW's influence, but who knows.
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>>128279557
>>128279570
I don't know. I am legitimately confused by it as well. Right now, Ian and Evan are doing much more with OC's and we all know that Evan loves Silver but hasn't done anything with him. Shadow didn't do any better when she was writing him and she wrote a better version of him in her fan comic. Whatever's going on with IDW, it's a mystery to me. But I'm just going to say it's the mandates.
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>>128279647
It almost like IDW is trying to copy DBZ where half of the cast does nothing in the entire series
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>>128261289
Nature is God's deviantart page.
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>>128279641
I will say that Evan is genuinely interested in that stuff and has been for several years so I don't agree that she'd be jumping on that bandwagon because she's been driving it. And Ian contemplated Sally and Nicole during the reboot so it's not hard to believe that he'd be down for another lesbian pair.
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>>128261289
Why are millennials and zoomers so obsessed over whether something is "edgy" or not?
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>>128279686
I hated it when DBZ did it, and I hate it now. If joining the good guys makes you irrelevant and benches you, Toriyama should have just fucking killed them instead. At least people won't have to see their favorites sit around being impotent and worthless.
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>>128279712
Yeah I kind of suspected Evan was an LGBT fangirl. I still don't like it though.
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>>128279712
For some reason I don't see that specifically happening with Surge. I can't see her instantly joining Sonic's side and lusting after anyone. That's just retarded.
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>>128279818

Of course she is. Remember Gold? "Oh, she's gay or bi, I haven't decided yet. Tee hee."
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>>128279785
That the main probleam with silver and blaze if you place them in a word where theres no danger then what the point of keeping them why not just send them back to their dimension
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>>128249570
It's not that clever. It came up all the time when people talked about Shadow ages ago, and again for an Archie character... was it Gold? Anyways, this is well known trivia.
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>>128279826
I don't expect Surge showing interest in anyone. At most, maybe you'll hear something about her unofficial sexuality and potential partner but that's about it. I want Surge and Kit to stay with Starline and they just come to like each other as a dysfunctional family.
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>>128279850
Didn't she say that Gold would be attracted to Sally and Blaze?
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>>128279912

Wouldn't surprise me.
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>>128272662
Her expressions are so cute. This webm gives me a boner more than any other art of her.
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>>128279780
Why are boomers on chinese basket weaving forums?
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So whats the point of her now that Surge and Kit have taken over? What else will the comic do with her?
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>>128280015
she will sacrifice herself to defeat them, which is why amy didnt want to show her her forture card
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>>128280042
You really think they would kill her off?
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>>128280015
even Evan did not like her
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>>128280015
She still has to confront Eggman directly and maybe figure out her purpose. I assume that was the plan with her before that got postponed. Who knows, maybe it'll finally mean something in issue 50.
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>>128279712
Ian is being influenced by his wife. She headcanons Clove to be a lesbian.
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>>128239714
I like her, especially the porn where she and Sonic fuck. Not as much as Sonaze though
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>>128279450
>Folks, is it fine if I'm frequent to rekindle topics or specific comics we had covered up already to discuss about them?
Why would it not be? I don't get your personal hang-up?
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>>128280057

Might as well. Fans don't give a crap about her, despite all the effort.
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>>128280106
I want her to write for IDW. I'm sure she's worked with Ian on some of his stuff but she was a solid writer for SU.
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>>128280118
It was a joke!

Damn dude.
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>>128280042
If this was Archie, Eggman would have killed her and as she's dying she'd do something that would screw his plans over. I don't see that happening in IDW.
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>>128280015
>>128280042
>she will sacrifice herself to defeat them
This. It's obvious the novelty of Belle has run out and there's nothing more than to turn her into a tragic figure for clout and appearing to be dark while IDW still doing nothing noteworthy in its 3-year run.
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>>128280180
There wont be anything to cry about since shes nothing.
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>>128280169
Whats this?
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>>128280195
It is pretty much a Maude Flanders situation
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>>128239714
I don't know who this is but I want her to vore me.
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>>128280169
nice back
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>>128280199
A lost world adaptation that Drawloverlala is doing it close to completion from what iv heard
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>>128280169
Have they ever attempted to explain game elements like monitors? I don't know if that would be welcome or not after the "mystical ring pools" of SatAM.
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>>128280229

Nope.
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>>128239714
The only important thing is the porn good/
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>>128280015
I'm annoyed because I can't tell what kind of animal this is supposed to be

It's like someone just said "design an animal" without actually specifying any particular species
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>>128280658
I don't think she's meant to be any kind of animal. Just a generic doll.
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>>128280658
She was supposed to be a mouse puppet, but they got feedback that making "puppet" the focus instead of doing two ideas at once would be better.

I forget if that was editorial at IDW or their Sega rep.
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>>128280658

Wasn't she originally a mouse but they lost the ears for whatever reason?
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>>128280122
Ah, guess I felt it would probably become a little tiring to keep resurfacing the same comics or subjects again and again before, yet I do this out of mood, or/and I missed it, but I'm sure I'm just being paranoid.
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>>128280750
>>128280760
Evan said she made the decision to get rid of a specific species because it makes her much weirder and more off-putting, which is what she wanted.
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>>128280060
You're either lying or misinformed, because Evan was pushing Belle VERY hard, even to the point she went on a big online rant about how she admitted to mishandling Belle's introduction and acknowledging that Sonic fans weren't taking to her like she hoped.
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>>128280899
NTA but is she really that bad?
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>>128281366

She's not bad, but she ain't good either. She's just there.
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>>128281389
And she just kept on getting focus, instead of characters people actually wanted focus on.
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>>128281389
Oh she's THAT kind of character huh. Wasted potential?
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>>128278351
But how is that a joke? It's not even funny, also why would either of them want to date her when she sucks ass?
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>>128278751
Immensely based, not to memtion that Iizuka would greenlight a Zavok spinoff without a first thought, where Ian would subsequently ruin Zeti by giving them more lore than anyone could possibly wish for.
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>>128281504

So far.
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>>128279027
>Antoine and Bunnie's marriage.
The couple that came from nowhere because one writer wanted Bunnie to like him vicariously through Antoine?
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>>128279434
How is that different from everyone else being cardboard?
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>>128281546
You are under the impression a joke has to be funny to be a joke. A joke merely needs to ATTEMPT to be funny. This is referential humor, and yes, it's dumb and unfunny. Maybe the joke is this unappealing weasel girl landing Lando. I don't fucking know m8.
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>>128281660
However it happened, Bunnie and Antoine getting together did work out for the better, but it also unfortunately made them dependent on each other.
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>>128279570
To grow flowers and be stealth shipped together
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>>128279686
>does nothing
They all fought that giant Omega armor and lost because they aren't Sonic
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>>128273032
Why do Anons feel the need to talk shit out of their ass? Like, that's very obviously not drawn by Evan. Why say this bullshit? What drives you to either intentionally lie or just be such a moron that you'd talk with certainty about something you're ignorant of?
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>>128280015
She will continue to exist to make pained faces and have people feel bad for her.
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>>128281780

Please, we all know Blaze is for Sonic.
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>>128281660
I don't know anything about the background as to how it got written in, but Antoine and Bunnie pairing off makes a lot of sense. He's a coward, she's ridiculously capable thanks to her robo parts. They're both SatAM crew, and there are few other characters in that group this would work with. Antoine has unrequited love he feels for Sally, but he can't possibly be in the running with Sonic present, so a good way to resolve that plot thread is pair him off elsewhere. Bunnie also could use a love interest since she has so much emotional turmoil over her roboticization. It resolves quite a bit.
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>>128279196
Don't be a moron, you've been told repeatedly that the reason she got cut, just like Cream and Omega at the end of Year 1, is they want characters to be introduced properly in stories focused on them, not as a random cameo at the end of an unrelated story. If you know enough behind the scenes to know Marine was cut, you know enough to know why.
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>>128281851
I'd be very concerned if I didn't know you were shitposting.
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Sonic comics are the only times I've seen fans complain that the attractive women are lesbians. You aren't all self-insertfags, are you?
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>>128281780
One day someone will ask ian why do they still keep silver and blaze in the comic even if they dont do anything or have any special arc
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>>128281868
>He's a coward,

Antoine being an incapable coward was phased out of the comic before he and Bunnie became a thing out of nowhere. It was kind of jarring when he suddenly decided to take a solo mission to Robotropolis, and even moreso that he actually pulled it off competently.
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>>128280658
What animal is Gamma or Gemerl? It's a fucking robot. Stop being an autist.
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>>128281886
You don't read anything other than Sonic material, I take it.
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>>128281868
Honestly Bunnie x Sonic and Antoine x Sally would have been much better.
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>>128281887
You keep saying "they keep silver and blaze" in the comic when last time we saw Blaze she was in her own world and Silver as far as I know is back in the future. Anon, you wouldn't happen to be complaining about things you don't know about, would you?
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>>128281876
Don't be a moron, you've been told repeatedly that the reason she got cut, just like Cream and Omega at the end of Year 1, is they want characters to be introduced properly in stories focused on them, not as a random cameo at the end of an unrelated story
Im pretty sure that will never happend since Ian and sega barely give a fuck about Marine
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>>128281887
It's for the fans, obviously. Both are ridiculously popular. Same with Shadow even though he's accomplished nothing thus far.
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>>128281940
Then blame Ian if he doesn't introduce her, rather than making up random bullshit or acting like you haven't been told repeatedly why she didn't get introduced in that issue.
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>>128281917
The issue with Belle is she's clearly modeled after a human being, of which Eggman is explicitely the only one of in Sonic as things are now, so it doesn't make any sense. Her being a puppet modeled after a mouse would have made a great deal more sense. Gamma and Gmerl meanwhile aren't supposed to look like anything besides robots because they so distinctly lack traits meant to imitate humans, unlike Belle.
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>>128281880

Yeah...shitposting...
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>>128281940
>Ian and sega barely give a fuck about Marine
Thank goodness for that. She's literally annoying kid: the character. That's all she ever was.
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>>128281965
>The issue with Belle is she's clearly modeled after a human being
what human being do you know with an animal-shape muzzle and a giant clown nose
what
she's a toy doll
the only thing wrong with her design is her face shouldn't have been emotive and nearly everything that went wrong with her introduction goes back to her being too organically expressive unlike normal for Sonic robots
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>>128281905
I don't think it was out of nowhere. When they expanded his backstory they showed he was a timid/coward growing up. Wanted to be more a man like his father and started to realize pining for Sally was dumb when Bunnie who also had emotional hangups was around.

He was just always outclassed in anything he could do because Sonic was around and the early comedy days went overboard on his coward side. Otherwise he had balls like decking Geffory.
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>>128281965
Of course there are other humans. They all live in a separate dimension.
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Why are these threads always so full of anons outright lying about things and being morons?
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>>128281981
Blaze WAS for Sonic, for two games. She has been for Silver for way longer afterward to the point where you can't believably say she's for Sonic anymore unless you mean in your headcanon.
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>>128281905
You're referring to his redemption episode in SatAM? OK, that's fine, but Antoine's overall character and what people know him for is still his cowardice.

>>128281930
Those are slash pairings, my dude. Antoine never had Sally's eye, and Bunnie and Sonic were not teased in SatAM to the best of my knowledge. These comics still ride off things people know about the characters from that cartoon, despite this going way longer and I'm afraid they're beholden to that.
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>>128281984
and yet everybody loves Cream when she's the exact same thing.
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>>128281965
they should have give her ears
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>>128281985
>unlike normal for Sonic robots
Badniks and egg pawns are always expressive though?
>>128281998
>He was just always outclassed in anything he could do because Sonic
And Rotor, and Tails, and literally every other freedom fighter regardless of gender.
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>>128282037
Cream is as useless as Marine but not nearly as willfully annoying. I didn't want her in the comic either but whenever I say that all the pedos start getting riled up.
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>>128282022

Canonically Silver and Blaze barely know each other.

He can have Whisper.
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>>128282059
>Badniks and egg pawns are always expressive though?
Through body language mostly. Belle outright has Transformers-style bendable features despite her face being made of wood. She should've had a stiff puppet jaw, which would've made her more obviously artificial, which would've sold the way characters reacted to her a lot better.
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>>128282025
>You're referring to his redemption episode in SatAM?

No, no I'm not.

Even as a kid I felt this was very sudden and strange for Antoine as I knew him back then.
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If rotorfag is here I guess the thread is officially over.
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>>128282075
>He can have Whisper.

Yeah, I don't see Gold 2.0 going any better for him.
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>>128282075
Canonically they find themselves drawn to one another, they're destined to be together.
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>>128282037
Outside pedos she is just the self insert for kids. Never seen huge fan following.

>>128282059
And they all have their niche or background chars. Ants could never fill his role because the kingdom was in disarray, Sally did tactics, and there was no huge army outside the FF to direct. So in writing that left play up his cowardice or just leave him as normal guy who punches something while Sonic cleans house.
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>>128281939 I just wish IDW actually cared enough to make some arcs for blaze and silver like archie did back then
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>>128282088
I really do not miss pre-Ian Archie.
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>>128282112

Now who sounds like a shipper?
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>>128282113
>Never seen huge fan following.

Should we tell him?
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>>128282141
He just said "outside pedos". Are people in this thread allergic to reading?
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>>128282141
Pedo's and diaper fags don't count.
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>>128282129
It's not like they're going to dump every idea at once, they're probably building towards that in the far future.
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>>128282160
>they're probably building towards that in the far future.

I feel confident in assuming that's not the case.
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>>128282138
I'm not a shipper and I'm not making that up, play the games retard. Sega pushes Silver x Blaze because the jap fanbase actually liked 06.
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>>128282160
sega has to approve any kind of development now so I doubt it unless they have new games in the future
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>>128282093
Rotor-anon hardly posts much anymore among us don't you dare to make the joke. Leave him in peace.
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>>128282178
>Sega pushes Silver x Blaze because the jap fanbase actually liked 06.

If by "pushes" you mean "one rarely shows up without the other in tow" then yes.

Hell I'm a Blaze and Silver fan and even I can tell it's not being handled particularly well.
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>>128282181
Any appearnce by them in new games would just have them as cheerleaders anyway.
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>>128282184
sus
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>>128282195
Yes but what is? As far as official material goes, that's as blatant as it gets.
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>>128282197
>cheerleaders

HERE_WE_GO.jpg
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>>128282184
I would if he wasn't so obvious every time. I don't know any other anon in this thread but he always finds a way to make himself known which is a crime against anonymity.
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>>128282178

>the jap fanbase actually liked 06.

Pfft, no wonder. I always knew their taste was shit.
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>>128282088
Yeah, this is decidedly OOC.
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>>128282250
Why, because you don't like it?
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>>128282235
Ooh, it's you. You're the same guy who shitposted on that final StC storytiming thread, aren't you?

Seethe more. Maybe keep posting more and then you will get yourself identified too.
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>>128282283
Because it's supposed to be Antoine prior to Endgame, anybody who actually read the comics knows that doesn't add up.
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>>128282285
Not your boogeyman, he's on /v/ too which is where I've seen him the most since that's usually where I am. Don't give a fuck about limey Sonic aside from its based insane Super Sonic.
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>>128282283
Are you joking? Because I'm familiar with Antoine's characterization. Why would he suddenly be a camopants action hero with zero reluctance?
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>>128282321
>Don't give a fuck about limey Sonic
Cringe. Fleetway Sonic is good shit.
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>>128282113
>>128282093
>>128282184
>>128282235
>>128282285
>>128282321
You people are always a laugh riot.
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>>128282321
>Not your boogeyman
Fair, but you're being stupid anyway with backseating as janny while no one cares and the thread's about the end. Either troll or retarded underage.
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>>128282343
The non-game elements are offputting at best most of the time.
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>>128282357
Archieniggers must die.
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>>128282368
I agree.
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>>128278864
Given the chance, I'd like to give them a backstory. Like, the Deadly six are just a group of Zeti that went rogue and Zeti in general are good folk. But we would have to have a way for the good Zeti to not take part in the story, given that a good Zeti could easily trounce any robot Eggman makes.
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>>128282368
Didn't ask. Just know you have garbage taste and you should stay on /sthg/, /v/ermin
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>>128282384
It's much too late for that. The Zeti are cemented in the eyes of Sonic fans as irredeemably terrible. The only opportunity for a potential backstory to not be viewed with laughter and contempt would have been during Lost World itself.
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@128282376
Why do you always do this shit of shitposting hard as shit and making up drama shit in the tail end of the thread and samefagging like a faggot? I keep seeing you doing this everytime.
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>>128282368
Agreed. I can see someone growing up with them liking them, but every original element from that comic is jarring as fuck.
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>>128281504
Yes, a creation of Eggman when he lost his memories and became a good guy, a machine with the ability to feel and think on her own, that, if you didn't look closely at her, you'd think she's flesh and blood. And nothing happened with her, the most importance she had in the story was Starline kidnapping and scanning her brain which he used to make Surge and Kit.
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>>128282463

Ew, now Surge is gonna get Shit Character germs all over her.
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>>128282475
>Shit Character germs
You mean he didn't have that already :^)
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>>128282398
Not a /sthg/fag since unlike them I actually enjoy some of archie
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>>128282450
Call me a schizo, because I'm probably am one, but I just can't stop noticing every once there's always an anon, maybe two, who picks only for the last minutes of a bump-reached thread for posting nonsensical shit and smelling off samefagging strong, making up total bullshit out of vapid air. This has been happening for a while.

Feels like some kind of outside Discord operation, dunno.
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>>128282496

Oh, he's swimming in them. Now he's gonna give them to poor Surge.
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>>128282463
>if you didn't look closely at her, you'd think she's flesh and blood.
Only because the art isn't detailed enough to show she's wood.
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>>128282527
Stop naming fags, there's no "rotor anon" no "archieniggers anon," there's just anons. Shut the fuck up about it.
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>>128277823
Shadow getting Namek Vegeta's personality.
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>>128280057
She's a robot. The only mandate that says you can't kill a specific robot is Metal Sonic. But Belle is fair game.
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>>128280838
>>128279450
It's cool, talk about whatever you want, long it's Sonic. It's much better to talk about anything else than bashing off IDW or Ian for the hundredth time, anyway
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>>128282093
The thread was officially over the moment it decided to start off the OP with IDW. Nobody likes this comic.

And by the by, take medicine.
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>>128282639
>Nobody likes this comic.
>One of IDW's two best sellers
Mm hm
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>>128282655
Not an argument. Popularity doesn't mean it's most liked.
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>>128282427
>The Zeti are cemented in the eyes of Sonic fans as irredeemably terrible.
Like how the franchise is cemented in the eyes of the public as never having been good in the first place?
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>>128282384
Since I'm mindbroken by this series, I might eat up such lore. But baring really good execution or cute enough girls it's just wasted effort.
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>>128282655
>One of IDW's two best sellers

Then you remember that their other stuff sells like shit, it doesn't look as good.
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>>128282597
Somehow I doubt it since she has a personality and is friends with all the heroes now. Sega will probably not allow her to die at this point since it would be no different from killing an organic character.
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>>128282541
I meant like, if you were an mobian and you saw Belle, you wouldn't know she's a robot off first glance.
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>>128282664
It quite literally does though.
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>>128282612
Thanks, buddy! Maybe that was a little stupid to ask about in hindsight, but yeah, thank you very much. There's just a lot of specific topics I would like to touch of, and I'm not the usual to care as much over IDW, really.
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>>128282728
Only because mobians are retards that think Silver and Sonic look the same. Comparitively, a human could distinguish a wooden human-shaped doll as being only human-shaped and not the real thing.
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>>128282677
"The public" don't matter, because there's enough people to float the series. As always, normalfag tastes are irrelevant. You wouldn't want them to have a voice in a thing you like but they don't, either. You're dealing in a fanbase of a thing though, and their tastes DO factor. And Zeti are not liked.
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>>128282718
>no different from killing an organic character
Sega doesn't give a shit about IDW OCs outside of Tangle and Whisper. Robots and creations are especially destroyed most often in games and Archie.

Plus, G-merl is already the house robot. Belle has no excuse to live.
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>>128282803
>Belle has no excuse to live.

Except Evan.
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>>128282803
>Belle has no excuse to live.
Female representation and being Evan's personal favorite.
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>>128282823
>Female representation
Not really a problem with IDW original characters. We're kind of drowning in them now.
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>>128282818
>>128282823

Maybe if Evan gave up on making her popular she would do it.
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>>128282823
We already have 3 new female reps. 1 villain, 1 hero, and 1 that's supposed to be the CaC from forces. And then Jewel the Beetle if she gets to be more useful later. Still not convinced.
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>>128282838
Do you need to take a moment to re-read that?
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>>128282862
I think I replied to the wrong anon or I'm just too tired to read properly.
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Anyone gonna make a new thread after this one?
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>>128282321
based rotorchad living rent-free on the head of other schizos
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>>128282838
>Everyone in the sonic fandom fucking hates Zavok
Speak for yourself. Zavok, Infinite, and Mephiles are great villains ruined by shitty writing. The comics prove that they can be evil and entertaining. Fuck the other Deadly 5 though, they make him seem stupid when they're around.
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>>128282882
Get some rest, anon. Lord knows I've zombieposted enough times.
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>>128282889
If you're gonna do one, then please for the love of god, DO NOT START IT WITH IDW. IDW is practically the kryptonite of everyone here.
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>>128282899
You can't fix a dinner that's already been burnt, it'll always taste awful.
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>>128282899
What's so great about Zavok? He's just red bowser. There's nothing there worth saving, you could write any old brute to replace him. And Mephiles? He's literally a doppelganger of a doppelganger. He's fundamentally stupid to exist. He looks like some kind of particularly evil chia pet Shadow. And as for Infinite, at least he looks kind of cool, but I don't really know jack shit about Forces beyond everyone hated it.
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>>128282935
right here
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>>128282889
Anon! What are you doing? Hurry and close your tab right now before this thread archives with you on it!
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>>128282949
Five minutes should be plenty!
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>>128282942

>I don't really know jack shit about Forces beyond everyone hated it.

Its 06 2. A laughable attempt at putting Sonic in a seriousm dark story instead of the humorous cartoon he's meant to be, and it rightfully blew up in their faces.
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>>128282961
Serious takes can work, I think Adventure proved that. However, they didn't commit, and Sonic being "tortured" but being emotionally status quo and not having a proper cast for a "rebellion" (why would you cast loner Knuckles as a leader?) didn't help.
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>>128282945
>Opening a thread with Bigdad art

you fucking moron.
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>>128282999

Nah, serious Sonic is a stupid idea and it never works, and only idiots want them to keep trying.

I can say that cuz the thread is dead now.
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>>128283009
Hey fuck you I like him. I'm not apologizing for your shit taste.
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>>128283026
It literally worked in Adventures. People still love SA2 and rightfully so. It had stakes and interesting characters. I don't want weightless tripe that doesn't even attempt a story unless it's 2D, then it's excusable.
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>>128283029
Say that again when the post devolves into obese-Gaz posts and people arguing about him.
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>>128283009
I'm not usually a fan, but that surge looks pretty OK, and not as far off model as he usually is.
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>>128282235
Literally no one but you make a fuss about this, and these Sonic threads have been having the same plentiful other identifying posters.
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>>128282384
Simple, g. zeti are inverse of the 6 and just prefer to be introverts who ignore the ongoings of the outside world. Simple and doesn't need a lot exploring.
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>>128283104
I'll take it, also helps that Eggman wouldn't try to fight them either since you know, the whole controlling machines things.
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>>128282655
>Putting cash towards product month after month doesn't mean its liked.

Your (you) schizo.
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>>128283099
It's a troll. Just don't give him bait.



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