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Nick fires Jim Jenkins instead of John K back in the early 90s; What changes?
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They'll still fire John K afterwards.
Plus Jenkins left Nick after season 4 when they didn't renew Doug.
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>>128232282
>They'll still fire John K afterwards.
Yes, in 2018 when they find out about him being a pedo.
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>>128232250
Shut up nigga
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They might have made the Ren and Stimpy movie and the series would still be popular.
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>>128234037
Also The Ripping Friends will be a Nicktoon as well.
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>>128234037
>and the series would still be popular.
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>>128234252
Until John K got exposed.
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>>128232250
I still dont know who John K is and no one will explain it to me.
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>>128234037
But the series is still popular. It's just nowdays, threads for this show are just circle jerks of bashing Ren and Stimpy, John K and pretending Robin Byrd and Katie Rice didn't actually use John to boost their careers in the industry.
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>>128232325
No still in 1992, because John is notoriously horrible to work with. Stop hampering on about the pedo thing. Even before that, John was an outsider due to how hard it is to collaborate with him.
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>>128234485
Ren and Stimpy is popular with zoomers and millennials who have read the john k blog. most people don't know this show
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>>128234542
Nope, just the pedo shit, John K and Carbuncle stay to compete with Ruegger/Spielberg.
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>>128234400
Exposed for what
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>>128234663
For being a pedo.
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>>128232250
He still gets fired for not delivering episodes in time
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>>128234583
It's not really competing when Ren and Stimpy was actually the most popular show on tv and had real fame compared to Animaniacs-(Sitcom fake cartoon).
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>>128234453
zoomie leave this site
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>>128234798
He says until 2018 because thats the year he got exposed.
>>128234846
Only Nu-Animaniacs is a sitcom fake cartoon, OG-Animaniacs was a real cartoon made by artists who had ties with a major feature studio and crew trained by it's most famous director, some before he founded that studio.
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>Only Nu-Animaniacs is a sitcom fake cartoon
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>>128235002
It's true.
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>>128235044
It's not true but yeah animation was better in the 90s compared to today.
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>>128235073
Yes, it was.
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Are ren g stimpy back?
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>>128235125
No the reboot is still hiring artists.
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>>128235125
No, everyone is making sure it stays canceled until John K is dead.
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>>128235148
Unrelated, has nothing to do with the reboot.
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>>128235125
Yes, this is a John K/ Ren & Stimpy thread.
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>>128235255
No, he was talking about the reboot, which has since been canceled.
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>>128235306
Huh
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>>128232250
Why? Jim managed to get his show done without any BTS drama.
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>>128235684
Millions of people were begging for the Ren & Stimpy reboot to get canceled due to John K's actions which it did.
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>>128235878
It was put on old but then production started again.
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>>128235876
To play catch up to Tom Ruegger and Steven Spielberg.
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>>128235893
No, it didn't, nobody wants to have the good guys loose.
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>>128235895
But they already had shows doing that. Doug was supposed to be the "calm" cartoon out of the bunch.
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>>128235878
That was adult party , want a good reboot of this cartoon because ren g stimpy franchise is dying
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>>128235915
Only Carbuncle episodes of Ren & Stimpy had the talent to compete with Tom Ruegger and Steven Spielberg.
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>>128235878
>>128235936
Why are you contrarians acting like games didn't ruined the show's reputation.
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>>128235936
No, that was John K being a pedo.
Pic related.
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>>128235895
You're fucking delusional. What has Doug to do with Animaniacs or Tiny Toons? Those are more slapstick comedies while Doug was a pioneer in slice-of-life kid's animation.
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>>128235895
>To play catch up to Tom Ruegger
What year do you think it is right now? Ruegger's a nobody in 2022.
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>>128235939 #
You're missing the point. The three original Nicktoons were vastly different from each other on purpose, to help the Nicktoons brand fire on all cylinders right out of the gate, and it worked. There continued to be calmer shows after Nick's Doug ended too. It's all by design.
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>>128236014
His baby was raped.
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>>128235939
John's cartooning theories are 100% correct, however, this Ren & Stimpy reboot is a spiteful John K creation cash grab... We've already seen what R&S is like when they try and do it without him (powerwords: soulless and cheap), and this time, we wont even know if the reboot will be better or worse than games era.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/01/functional-drawings1-draw-with-purpose.html
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>>128236023
Animation doesn't work like that.
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>>128236085
Answer my question - What has Doug to do with Animaniacs or Tiny Toons?
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>>128236095
>Animation can't have a wide variety of styles, tone and more, they all have to be the same.
People like you are why it's impossible to tell the difference between so many cartoons. Especially the ones with the thin outline "bubble chin" design.
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>>128236107
Doug's quality is not up to the same level as Tiny Toons and OG-Animaniacs.
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>>128232250
John K still gets fired (his and Nick's conflicts had more to do with episodes being late), it just maybe happens in 1993 or 1994 instead of 1992.
There may be more Classic Episodes, but there may also be less episodes all the way up till John K gets fired on account of the delays.
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>>128236166
You're comparing apples to oranges. Doug has nothing to do with those shows and isn't trying to be those shows. It's just doing its own thing.
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>>128236207
John doesn't get fired until 2018 because he got caught being a pedo.
This way quality animation doesn't die out and doesn't get replaced with cheap chintzy tweening.
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>>128236166
You're comparing a calm, awkward slice-of-life show to two zany slapstick shows? Are you retarded?
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>>128236023
Pretty influential due to helping re-popularize distorted, squash and stretch slapstick style cartoons, as well as the idea of cartoons that appeal to a wide range of ages from kids to adults through subversive humor. At the time of it's premiere, there was only Ren & Stimpy and the Simpsons doing humor for adults (even though R&S was branded as a kid's show). Even Matt Groening was a fan.

Without it, we probably wouldn't have had stuff like Duckman, Beavis & Butthead (and other MTV cartoons), Rocko's Modern Life, 2 Stupid Dogs and other cartoons that were allowed to push the envelope.
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>>128236260
And John still hasn't finished Season 2 of the original show in 2018.
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>>128236291
The show would of had over 20 seasons by then.
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>>128236264
I didn't ask for a John K dicksucking lecture.
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>>128236303
No he would still be working on Season 2 and Nick would still be waiting for it, still reairing only the first 6 episodes of Season 1.
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>>128234846
I bet WB and free to air TV paid a lot more than pre VIACOM MTV and basic half time cable TV
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>>128236260
You know nothing about animation or the history of his firing, clearly.
John would still get fired by Nick, but perhaps later than earlier. They were already getting fed up with him consistently being off-budget, off-schedule and non-negotiable.
By the late 90s and 2000s, John was that cool, edgy outsider artist you'd hire for some sick one-off work, but never for long-term productions. His pedo exposure just ended his career.

No amount of headcanon will change that.
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>>128236340
There will be more episodes after Canadian Kilted Yaksmen.
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>>128236368
>John would still get fired by Nick.
Yea in 2018 because of the pedo shit.
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>>128236316
Shut the fuck up faggot. I get it John makes you angry but there's no need to be an executive dick sucking faggot when they made ren and stimpy worse.
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>>128236260
>and dont forget the uh...allegations
Fake tales. Robyn lived with him for 5 years, not exactly a big story there.
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>>128236394
No. No way in hell Nick would have that unprofessional prick work for them for decades. They already got tired after 1992. Give me a good explanation why Nick would still work with John in 2018 when he doesn't start working on-schedule, on-budget and be negotiable?
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>>128236464
To play catch up with Ruegger and Spielberg.
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>>128236398
I don't even know what your point is and what that has to do with Doug. You've been spouting a ton of nonsense in this thread and I think there's something very wrong with you. I know R&S was influential but I don't know why you were telling me that when I never asked.
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>>128236494
I didn't talk about Doug your thinking of someone else and you have a lot of nerve to project your own mental illness on others.
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>>128236488
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>>128236516
I'm not the one who went fucking nuts when I told you I didn't ask you for something.
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>>128236536
Your the one going nuts schizo.
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>>128236521
Just remember that there is a world that Tiny Toons existed for over 30 years by the original staff instead of The Simpsons.
That way Nick had to play catch up to WB/Fox.
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>>128236549
*You're
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>>128235878
>millions
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>>128236572
Oh so now your correcting my spelling too? Im pretty sure my writing wasn't bad that it was completely unreadable. But I will make sure to correct my spelling sometimes.
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>>128236603
100s of millions actually.
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>>128232250
Nick should’ve been more like Adult Swim back in the day: giving shows a 2-year hiatus between seasons. That way John would’ve been less pressured and delivered quality episodes.
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>>128236464
The funny thing is that lots and lots of people like to talk about John K's "daddy issues," but there's obviously a lot of material in his cartoons that involve criticism of executives and similar people. Had to cut some of that out of Stimpy's cartoon show. His dad seems like an upstanding man, tough but fair, and despite John K's success and achievements he had a point about being a cartoonist. Also before the past decade your dad being tough on you was not an alien concept - in many places, particularly among cityslickers, men are expected to not be tough at all.
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>>128236095
That's how it works, retard. All three Nicktoons were highly influential on TV animation in their own way.

Rugrats was a show about babies, yet also one of the earliest shows were the parents had a more significant role than just being a moral guidance or faceless entity. It's also the show that actually helped Nick become a powerhouse in TV animation and turned Klasky-Csupo into a household name in the business.

Ren & Stimpy brought back the zany spirit from the Golden Age of Animation, which managed to influence the next generation of animators and cartoons like Rocko and 2 Stupid Dogs.

Doug was a pioneer in animated slice-of-life and completely different from all others at the time - it didn't try to be wacky, fantastical, zany or hyper. It was just a calm portrayal of a teenager growing up and aging. It's influence can be seen on many children's and adult animated SOL shows like Hey Arnold and Recess.

Both 3 shows, equally important for Nick and TV animation in different ways.
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>>128236752
No, it doesn't.
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>>128236464
The "shit work ethic" is on the fault of the executives. At the very least, games did managed to have good art that makes it better than most cartoons today
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>>128234400
People acted the same way about John K back when the biggest crimes they could bring up was criticizing The Real Ghostbusters, Animaniacs and The iron Giant. The times just changed and people started making up sexual accusations to smear people instead
Cancellation was probably partially inspired by the intensity of trying to destroy John K despite that he is a revolutionary animator who cares a lot about cartoons.
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>>128236260
Cancel culture Peeps are not pro-life. In fact it's probably a way for their choice to support the murder of fetuses to spread to the rest of their life like a cancer. Basically a form of psychological decompartmentalization.
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>>128237074
>The "shit work ethic" is on the fault of the executives.
>all three shows get ordered to make 13 episodes (26 segments) to be done before the show premiere
>Klasky-Csupo and Rugrats could
>Jinkins and Doug could
>yet John hasn't delivered any episode weeks before premiere
>Nick even helps him by cutting the ordered episodes in half
>it's the fault of the executives
I hate Nick's execs but this was all on John
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>>128236464
>unprofessional prick work
That was just an excuse or Nickelodeon to use their corporate leeway so they could pull the entire series and employees under their sole control, and it worked. John just had a very strong work ethic. He knew what he was doing would create amazing quality art, so he pushed his employees to hold up that standard. It's not like they were forced. Stop making false claims to support the executives, they deprive themselves from experiencing true glory again.

https://files.catbox.moe/4y1l6a.pdf
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>>128236804
I accept your concession.
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>>128236556
Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck are always going to be the real mascots, Animaniacs and Tiny Toons was a pretender through and through as John K wisely said.
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>>128237178
>I hate Nick's execs but this was all on John

Whatever helps you cope. The reason why John K was controversial in the industry was always, always that his work makes their work look bad. Including his instructional stuff!
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>>128237372

>cans without labels cgi is better than pixar

based
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>>128237294
Yakko, Wakko and Dot are not pretenders.
Buster Bunny and Plucky Duck are not pretenders.
Ren and Stimpy however are pretenders.
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>>128232250
Animation would be in a better timeline but even then, that's hard to say considering honest artists are cancelled and hated for any honest truth they have that's not in the public's ideal.
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>>128237117
Yeah. How come they only RECENTLY brought up his alleged sexual abuse? Why didn’t they report him to the police back in the day?
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>>128237142
Didn’t Robyn Byrd abort John’s child?
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>>128237753
Yes and that was her who wanted it. She wanted John to make her famous in an instance but since she didn't get that. She could only resort to throwing John under the bus since many clueless people already aggressively hated John badly. Thus why Robin Byrd and Katie Rice's social media contancts/ careers were boosted.
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>>128237730
Someone slipped.
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>>128237730
Because what John did was not a real crime. He actually helped Robin Byrd and Katie Rice, but they made fake tales in order to degrade him even more.
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>>128234778
>>128234583
>>128235959
>>128236260
>>128236394
"Pedo"
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>>128232250
The changes depend on if people were actually willing to listen to John. John K's art techniques are advanced but require respect of art and life.
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>>128237178
Samurai Jack s5 is a good example of what you get when you listen to John K even though the overarching story is bad, the art is a lot better. Back when john k was always making people mad you could excuse some of them to some extent because they were just fanboys who didn't know anything about art and liked their favorite cartoons. No longer true. How can you not want your favorite cartoon to get an art upgrade like Genndy did? That variety of nostalgiafag lost all defense.
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>>128237875
Nothing they said was fake. John K is a pedophile and a rapist.
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>>128237992
Let's face facts: katie and robin just had some horny fantasies. It does not reflect reality other than the fact, they used John.
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>>128232250
The historically revisionist viewpoint on John Kricfalusi is not only slanderous, but attempts to wipe away decades of innovation in the animation industry caused by Ren & Stimpy. His name has been removed from the opening, they will remake the show without his approval, and he has been removed from Nickelodeon's records. I hope in the future Kricfalusi is seen as a hero, albeit flawed, to animation. We need to boycott the remake and make it heard that this is not acceptable, and we must preserve the legacy of John K. He is just as, if not more influential than his successors like Stephen Hillenburg. The people of Spumco, although largely forgotten and demonized, will one day be remembered once again as the saviors of modern animation, nothing has come close and nothing will until the sellouts are exposed and ousted.
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>>128238018
>>128238053
>t. John K.
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>>128238074
>t. Robin Byrd and Katie Rice
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>>128238083
t. Stephen Worth
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>>128232250
In such a scenario we would currently be enjoying 90's quality animation rather than these neverending calarts abominations.
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Cans Without Labels fucking sucked.
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>>128232250
We would have been experiencing more kino ren and stimpy episodes.
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>>128238150
filtered
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>>128238200
terrible animation and continuity errors in a ten minute short that took 5 years to finish is typically offputting to anyone, so if that's the bar for filtering, consider me filtered
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>>128238127
This.
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>>128238284
shut the fuck up about cans without labels already. vague very negative sounding statements is NOT criticism. and most likely he missed out on help finishing it due to his cancellation.
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>>128238299
A ten minute short shouldn't take 5 years to finish.
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>>128238299
>shut the fuck up about cans without labels already
no, it sucks and it's hilarious to rip on it

>vague very negative sounding statements is NOT criticism
At 3:30 in the short, the "shading" on George Liquor fucking turns him blue, and the central can in the shot is magically closed again.
It teleports back to Slab in the next shot.
I don't know how the fuck you even have continuity errors with a CG set of model cans that you can easily replace and reshoot the scene with, but they sure fucking did it.

>and most likely he missed out on help finishing it due to his cancellation.
Credits shows 14 different fucking animators, how much more help did he need?
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>>128238462
Cans Without Labels is far better than anything made for television in the 2010s and it's pathetic that your eyes don't work well enough to realize that. Cope harder, astroturfers.
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>>128238498
>webm related: better than anything TV made in the 2010's
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>>128238699
why does the kid blinking have more frames of animation than george's fucking walk cycle around the table
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>>128238699
The fluid animation, voice acting, pacing, plot and dialogue all made great comedy, most notably the line “Eat the fucking Face'' And I love how John referenced the sliding animation error from Nurse Stimpy. Cans without Labels fantastic and lots of more potential to be explore but it doesn't fucking suck.
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>>128236464

Despite the whole R&S and APC conflict I think Nick and John K were personally still on good terms until the pedo shit came out.
Since John was suppose to do a R&S short after the SpongeBob movie.
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>>128239825
Pedo shit that was false and rob fans of actual cartoons. Imagine how cool it would be to see Ren and Stimpy and Spongebob have a crossover in their primes.
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>>128239825
Nick and John should've just made Ren & Stimpy theatrical shorts for various Nickelodeon and Paramount movies or just given it the Rick & Morty treatment and have John and the crew just deliver at least 5 episodes per year. A more short-term relationship seems to work well with John
>make a short or two
>we call you when we need more
He has all the time to work on it, Nick has the rest they can get.
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>>128239974
>A more short-term relationship seems to work well with John

Nickoloden wanted to milk many Ren and Stimpy episodes so it's their fault.
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>>128240074
It's a thing where both are at fault and none can take full blame.

John could've played more ball at times, be less stiff and just allow guys like Waller, Camp and Reccardi to have more directing duties on less important episodes so he could focus on more important episodes.

Nick's execs in New York could've been less strict about what and what couldn't get through, allowing the Spumco crew to not waste time, money and resources on scenes or even episodes that'd never come.
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>>128240161
They should’ve just put Ren & Stimpy on MTV: less restrictions and more freedom.
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>>128240161
Nope. John is legendary for giving his animators a hard time but that's just how you make innovative art. It involves really specific criticism that will only help if the people getting criticized are willing to respect and learn instead of behaving like irresponsible children. John K is a modern incarnation of Bob Clampett and Vincent Waller, Bob Camp, Chris Reccardi are the chuck jones of animation. Chuck Jones work is amazing but Bob Clampett is simply superior.
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>>128240769
John, please, you're embarassing yourself.
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>>128240993
>t. Bob Camp
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>>128240399
I think that could've been a better solution. MTV did already air some R&S episodes and those were ratings' hits. But I don't think Nick was in the mood of financing a cartoon and then have it not air at them, plus MTV didn't have the budget at the time to fund it.
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>>128241014
>t. Eddie Fitzgerald
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>>128236085
>John's cartooning theories are 100% correct
Not always, I would say 60% of the time, that whole blog is full of good ideas and theories, especially when talking about animation, antics, takes, etc, but other times it's also full of shit. The one that really got me was when he said that as an artist you don't need to learn gesture drawing, ONLY construction. FALSE, every artist should learn gesture drawing, but especially animators, as gesture drawings teach you how to push and exaggerate a pose, how to create action within a pose, and it helps you be a faster artist.
Gesture Drawings are also great for rough animation and storyboarding. Maybe this explains why some of John's later works looked terrible, as instead of trying to push for a good pose, he would overdraw characters. There's one story about how he brought in an old Richard Williams animator to help with his Adult Party show, and the guy was amazed that the artists were drawing intricate designs on Stimpy's apron in Stimpy's Pregnant in the fucking layout stage, this wasn't a good thing, because as the guy pointed, it doesn't do much to the finished product and its just ANOTHER detail the animators have to keep in mind.
Just read Richard Williams and Grizz and Norm for a better take on drawing and animation.
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>>128239825
>Despite the whole R&S and APC conflict I think Nick and John K were personally still on good terms until the pedo shit came out.
>Since John was suppose to do a R&S short after the SpongeBob movie.
John is a such a moron, he should never have raped Robyn, harrassed Katie, or collected CP, because in the future it would ruin his career, if he hadn't done that, he would have taken advantage of the resurgence of 90s Nick nostalgia, made a cartoon for a Nick, and gotten some kind of comeback, instead his wretched perversions ruined him forever. Same goes for Chris Savino, the idiot had something EVERYONE always wanted, a hit show on Nick that actually BEAT Spongebob in the ratings, and he cant even bask on that success, there's actually a really sad yet funny clip of him at a church crying his eyes out over his stupid mistake
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>>128232325
As if any of the top brass cared about pedophilia
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>>128234778
She was already pubescent and she was asking for it.
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>>128241708
They fired Dan Schneider because of it.
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>>128241835
Prove it. I'll wait.
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>>128241935
>(S)He doesn't know about Dan Schneider.
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>>128241960
Apparently you don't know about Dan Schneider. He's been fucking underage feet and puss and ass for 20 years. You think the higher ups were just unaware?
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>>128242029
>You think the higher ups were just unaware?
Yes, just like John K.
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>>128241835
Didn't he step down himself?
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>>128242243
Nope, fired.
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>>128237889
>Actually, it's hebephile
No one cares about the shit differences
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>>128232909
Why?
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>>128241808
Yeah, it's annoying how people like to exaggerate the fake allegations to make John look more bad.
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>>128242187
John k had a relationship with one girl, he wasn't casting couching every nick star since 1997, and flaunting his perversions on kids TV.
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>>128242458
Roasties like you don't care. But it is a distinction that supreme gentleman quite familiar with.
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>>128242187
John did nothing wrong. It was an inside job in order to remove him from the animation industry.
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>>128237206
And yet somehow Jim Jinkins got to write his own contract with required episode orders, and when Nick didn't fulfill the contract he walked and took Doug over to their main competitor.
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>>128242561
Hilarious you still think that.
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>>128243227
Hilarious how your glad they used him.
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>>128243329
Yes, I am glad, because they told the truth.
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>>128243784
An exaggerated truth.
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>>128243784
Your just glad they told lies just to advanced their careers.
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>>128232909
Whoever drew this should get AIDS
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>>128232909
But Ren and Stimpy are friends though?
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>>128242458
Then I want it addressed that I was only 15 years old when I started getting yelled at by industry people for not liking their cartoons, so they were attacking a kid on the internet.

Not now of course but I want to bring it to the people who put up an act of being really angry and aggressive about John having a teenage girlfriend who later got involved with a feminist cult, sometime later. Like the youtubers.

Of course I think this is the real reason I think they attacked John so savagely, because once the real story about what I wanted to do in animation as a teenager gets out it will destroy their reputations.
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>>128236316
I didn't ask for a industry dicksucking lecture
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>>128244384
Is it even possible to make animation like Ren and Stimpy in today climate considering that creators need to have the same opinion as the public and executives on topics such as homosexuality and what makes a good cartoon popular?
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>>128244384
These same people who hate John also strangely hate Doug TeNnapel and Butch Hartman.
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>>128244384
>I started getting yelled at by industry people for not liking their cartoons
Not comparable to hebephilia/pedophilia in the slightest, dumbass.
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>>128245102
Boil you do the very exact thing I'm talking about, you are one of the perpetrators though one who hilariously has no life. What's not hilarious is how you prowl for kids to attack. You should be in prison right now for doing things like that, you get to say nothing.
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>>128245192
I see you use the name boil all the time; Who's boil?
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>>128245192
>someone should be in prison for making fun of someone else
Oh, grow a pair, you fucking pussy.
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>>128232250
John K is an innovator. Trying to criticize him for being known for his show that spawned dozens of imitators and changed how cartoons are made up until the present day is like criticizing a scientist for only being known for his major scientific theory. That's just clueless, totally off the mark, comical really - but people don't expect better cartoon discussions.
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>>128245233
We're criticizing him for being a pedophile. A legitimate one, as his own lawyer confirmed it.
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>>128245222
And a molester, what you basically are, can rationalize it as just rubbing. Effectively you are in prison already because you spend every day howling and talking to yourself and trying to rationalize and justify your decisions as well as the decisions of people like Andrew hussey. No one can escape Justice and I'm sure groomers will be brought to justice in the near future in society.
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>>128245285
Boil you are one. That's why you call him one. All legitimacy from the John K accusations has drained away because you're the one promoting them so much on here.

John has actual love for kids, the animation industry community is full of freaks like you who actually hate them and only want to exploit them. I loved his blog when I was 15. I didn't love anybody else in the animation community.
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>>128245300
>you are in prison already because you spend every day howling and talking to yourself and trying to rationalize and justify your decisions as well as the decisions of people like Andrew hussey
Projection because:
A) YOU admitted you became a recluse for 15 years
B) YOU admitted you didn't have a job for 10 years and lost all your friends
C) YOU are the only one bringing up Homestuck when no one else mentions a shadow of it.
You are what you hate. And I pity you.
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>>128245402
>That's why you call him one.
I don't call him one. His lawyer did. Rightfully so.
>John has actual love for kids
Because he's a pedophile.
>I didn't love anybody else in the animation community.
Because you're psychotic (see pic) and you idolize a psychotic.
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>>128245285
Robin Byrd and Katie rice wanted fame and fortunate. So they took advantage of John's situation to become more successful no need to defend the fake allegations.
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>>128245402
>All legitimacy from the John K accusations has drained away because you're the one promoting them so much on here.
...What? Since when did showing the truth change it from being the truth? You truly are retarded.
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>>128245462
Forget the girls; HIS OWN LAWYER confirmed it, dumbass.
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>>128245492
You act as if John K haters aren't all atheists. They took the crying of a woman who killed his baby seriously. You know that's poisoning her daily life.
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>>128245560
Forget religious preferences; HIS OWN LAWYER confirmed it, dumbass.
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>>128232250
Nothing really except we get at least one more good season of Spumco Ren & Stimpy.
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>>128245583
More like over 25 good season of Spumco Ren & Stimpy.
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>>128245661
I love Spumco R&S as much as the next guy but I can't imagine *anything* being good for that long. The laws of entropy still apply.
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>>128232250
Reminder that John K did nothing wrong. The only thing he was ever accused of was "sexual harassment" by someone who was 18 years old at the time. Sexual harassment by today's standards basically just means complimenting a woman on her looks. This entire false narrative against him was created by disgruntled former employees and coworkers seething over his superior animation talent and his anti-sjw politics as a convenient way to kick him out of the animation industry.
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>>128245681
>The only thing he was ever accused of was "sexual harassment" by someone who was 18 years old at the time
A) She was 16
B) He was 38
C) The only reason they couldn't charge him was because the statute of limitations had passed
He's still a bonafide pedophile.
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>>128245677
Yeah but that depends if the writers are able to adapt and write good things for ren and stimpy.
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>>128245677
>We live in a world where The Simpsons lasted for over 30 years.
>We could of lived in a world where Spumco Ren & Stimpy lasted for over 30 years instead, all episodes by Carbuncle too.
>As the pedo shit only really started to happen after John K got fired from Nick.
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>>128245741
John K literally did nothing wrong. He certainly didn't commit any crimes. He actually did his two protégés a great kindness by training them to hone their craft and learn art and animation under the tutelage of a master. Katie Rice is using this skill to great benefit with her new industry job working on the Animaniacs reboot, but she shows absolutely no appreciation. And no, John K did not molest anybody or have sex with anybody below the age of consent. Thankfully John's legacy is untouchable in spite of the hacks who are trying to bring him down for #metoo bux and fame.
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>>128245807
>He certainly didn't commit any crimes
Again:
>>128245741
>The only reason they couldn't charge him was because the statute of limitations had passed
With that in mind, he did commit a crime.
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>>128245807
Rice stole someone else's job on Nu-Animaniacs, she needed to get black listed before that happen.
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>>128245853
Include Robin Byrd too.
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>>128245833
What crime?
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>>128245853
Those John K. groupie girls can draw but god damn that show is unfunny.
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>>128245878
Robin Byrd wasn't on Nu-Animaniacs.
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>>128245853
Robin Byrd and Katie Rice both need to be black listed.
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>>128245892
>inb4 "PeDoPhIlIa IsN't A cRiMe!1"
Child grooming, which is a crime.
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>>128245968
John didn't groom anyone.
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I don't believe women.

Sorry.
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>>128234542
Jesus christ John K shills can't get it into their thick skulls that everyone who ever worked with John K despised him can they? Dude was the most abusive boss around, the situation was untenable. His employees would have a wall were they could pretend to kick his knees that was full of holes ffs.
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>>128245978
Your proof?
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>>128245449
John K actually tried to help people, help people a lot, which is why he pissed off assholes and they tried to pervert his teachings. there's also of course another huge reason why assholes hate his work, it's because they actually hate having positive relationships. Ren and Stimpy is all about friendship. it's about an unbreakable bond through good and bad. so assholes like a lot of people in the animation community react to it like vampires in the Sun.
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>>128232250
Not much, except John K is no longer the poster child for pedo cartoonists.
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>>128246026
Funny how I never mentioned his teachings, meaning you're bringing up irrelevant shit.
Stick to the topic at hand, that being: John K is a pedophile
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>>128246026
>>128246034
People who cry about Robyn's accusations hate John K for representing everything they can't do in cartooning. They try to make it sound like she was 16 years old during APC instead of 23.
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The biggest sin John K. ever committed was trying to make it so you had to have drawing ability in order to get a job making cartoons. You can imagine why that would rub people the wrong way.
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>>128246046
>Stick to the topic at hand, that being: John K is a pedophile

you mean the career boosting topic?
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>>128235959
Stupid, the accusations weren't a thing back then. They tried to claim it was an "open secret" but they were lying, the industry was full of people who'd use any ammo they had against John K. People didn't think being attracted to Sody Pop was "pedo" back then either. She's named after Bob Clampett's wife for God's sake.
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>>128246061
Let's be honest, the guy is a groomer and a pedo. But it's pretty unfair how he's footed for all the blame when there were and are much worse people in the industry.
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>>128246019
Try having actual good drawings in cartoons instead of quibbling about vacuous bullshit from your brain farts.
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>>128246086
No, the taking responsibility for your disgusting actions topic.
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>>128246127
Stay on topic:
Your proof showing John didn't groom anyone?
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>>128246068
This. John K haters are severely mentally ill and very disturbing. -> >>128246006
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>>128246423
And what about John K's proven grooming and pedophilic tendencies?
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>>128246504
John was training people to be his successor. That wasn't grooming or pedophilic tendencies.
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>>128246545
And the fact that John, being the adult in the situation, apparently saw no problem in inviting an underage girl to live with him, again to remind you because you need it; an adult, and the fact that his lawyer confirmed he had a 16-year-old girlfriend when he was 38?
C'mon, man. Who are you trying to fool but yourself?
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>>128246597
John K isn't a pedophile. Every woman he fucked was within the age range a normal human male would consider fuckable. You just live in a clown country with a comically high age of consent. What he did was no different from him fucking a 20 year old fan. Both are equally stupid and easily manipulated. In an ideal world that wouldn't be the case but the majority of women lack agency so it is what it is. If he's a criminal then everyone's a criminal.
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>>128246655
>You just live in a clown country with a comically high age of consent.
And if John didn't like it, he could have moved to a different country where it was legal, but your weak link is: He didn't.
Weak argument.
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>>128245222
As well boil, you may try to excuse the horrible things you do online by saying they're just words to yourself, but Jesus says that people will have to give account for every careless word they say. That is your satanic philosophy.

And I think these defense mechanisms are trying to preserve your innocent little boy act for Mommy, and I hope one day you realize that you can't put up that act anymore.

Anyway, this is the same dude who tried to get a hate mob going on this board for 13-year-old artists. He thought this was a place for assholes like him but that place doesn't exist outside of Hell
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>>128246597
Who are you trying to fool but yourself?

Not fooling myself but keep making your mental gymnastics.
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oh no. a grown man found a 16 year old attractive. clutch those pearls, girls
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>>128246708
His lawyer confirmed it.
No gymnastics there, just a plain ol' walk to John-K's-a-Pedo-Town
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>>128241484
I'm retarded. Who's grizz and norm and where can i read their stuff?
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>>128246695
>trying to preserve your innocent little boy act for Mommy
More projecting, as I've already shown.
Your mother is ashamed of you and, if she's dead, the last thought she had was "I raised a retard."
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>>128246752
Wear whatever tinfoil you want, it still doesn’t make your false rumors any more credible.
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>>128246815
>false rumors
When your lawyer's involved, it's not. But whatever helps you cope at night.
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Who is boil?
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>>128246863
Another DeviantArtfag that guy thinks is spamming him when it's his way to cope because it's actually just the entirety of 4chan laughing at him.
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>>128246838
Whatever helps you feel right.
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>>128246889
Whatever helps you be wrong.
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>>128245741
>A) She was 16
Actually, she was 13, apperantly John had been talking to her since she was 13, maybe he was grooming her from the beginning, maybe not, but with pedophiles, you can always expect the worst.
Also the motherfucker had child porno for crying out loud
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>>128247345
>Also the motherfucker had child porno for crying out loud

Exaggerated lie.
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>>128247396
Proof?
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>>128246124
>there were and are much worse people in the industry.

50% correct.
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>>128241484
>Not always, I would say 60% of the time

Wrong.
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>>128247436
You first.
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>>128247513
For what? This is my 2nd post in the thread, the first being >>128247436
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>>128247649
Just saying you provide proof first.
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>>128247655
Just saying "For what?" because I didn't say anything that needed proof.
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>>128247491
Yeah, it's more like 50% rather than 60%.
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>>128247675
No it's actually 100%
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>>128247671
>Just saying "For what?" because I didn't say anything that needed proof.>>128247436
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>>128247704
...Right. I asked you for proof of your statement. And it was my 1st post, so I didn't say anything that needed proof, so I don't know why you're asking me for proof for what I said.
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>>128247900
And I'm asking you proof for your statement.
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>>128247943
Just say you're a troll and don't have proof of your point next time, okay?
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>>128247900
You clearly believe John has child porno show explain your proof.
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>>128247958
Just say next time you hate John and trying to say his a pedo
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>>128247965
I don't because that wasn't me.
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>>128247979
I'll let the facts say that for me.
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>>128247982
It was you cause you wouldn't had said proof if it was another post insulting John k.
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>>128247996
>It was you
It wasn't
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>>128247990
I'll let the reality say that for me.
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>>128248006
Whatever you say.
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>>128244780
They're all white conservative males, that's literally the only reason why. Leftists base their entire personality on being extremely petty and vindictive.
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>>128245807
Something I never understood is that John K. looks "buff" at times later on in random appearances. Is he actually /fit/ or is he just larping his meathead fascination by stuff his sleeves with tissue paper? It's so fucking bizarre.
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>>128248048
Based post. and these same cockroaches forced the John K respecter to leave twitter because of their arrogant self righteous false stories. No wonder cartoons are in a bad state. Creators have to constantly make sure whatever opinion or thing they do is in the public good view. Hence all the creators walking on eggshells. John is certainly no bad man and didn't groom or use anyone. Robin Byrd and Katie rice are the ones who did John dirty.
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>>128248094
>John is certainly no bad man and didn't groom or use anyone
see >>128245492
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>>128245405
lol namefags are pathetic
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>>128236368
Shouldn't retard be lower than autist? With autism there's at least a chance you're a computer wiz or some shit.
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>>128237875
If they're fake, why did John apologize for it instead of denying?
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>>128242458
lots of people care. it costs nothing for you to say "heeb shitstain" instead of pedo.

16 is the age of consent in many states and countries and lots of people think it's fine. 14 is way too young though
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>>128248441
Denying it would make John seem more suspicious and the apology was forced by the evil cancel culture who wanted to make John look more pathetic and bad.
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>>128242458
I care
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>>128232325
Dan Schneider was there for years.
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>>128250322
And the higher ups didn't know about it.
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>>128237206
>That was just an excuse or Nickelodeon to use their corporate leeway so they could pull the entire series and employees under their sole control, and it worked.
John K's inability to get shit done on time is such a well known fact that the Simpsons lampooned it 90 years ago.
And then you shills SHOULD have learned it first hand given the debacle of the kickstarter but I guess denial is just that powerful.
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