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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/encanto-reviews-what-critics-are-saying-about-disneys-new-film.html
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The Mouse is clearly paying them
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I’ll wait for the Schraffillas review
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>>127239221
>critics
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>>127239221
I literally only found out this was a theatrical film from this thread. I have seen zero marketing for this film and the images I saw I thought were for a Disney+ or Disney Junior show, granted one with a big budget but still a show
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How am I supposed to relate to these characters when only one is white passing and that one is a woman?
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>>127239221
It looks like Meet the Robinsons, but about 50% more racist.
Might be good.
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>>127239221
Like critics were going to give a Disney animated movie about brown people a bad score
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>>127239307
>I can't relate to most Disney films because they are animals
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So everything is the main girls fault for being a fuckup but the grandma has to apologize to her anyway?
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>>127239295
It's gonna be put on Disney Plus on Christmas last I looked.
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>>127239702
It’s the grandmas fault for demanding everyone keep a perfect image of the family and making sure the main girl was in the background since she doesn’t have a fantastic god like power. The closest thing the film has to a villain is the grandma.
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>>127239702
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okay.
I'm still not gonna watch it.
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>>127239221
>critics
you mean stinky old liberal boomers who praise anything with a colored person as the main character?
little rat bitch could eat beans and rice for 90 minutes and the "critics" would swoon over it.
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When will I be able to pirate this? I thought it released on the 26th but have seen twitter posts saying it's today
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>>127239773
>>127239810
Reminder that this is totally the writer’s way of getting back at her family for making fun of her after coming out as a latinx or some shit.
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>>127239892
I think it’s more of a generalization on how Spanish family elders tend to be emotionally distant and mean as fuck. All my Latino friends grandmas were horrible women whenever I went to family gatherings to get some food.
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>>127239773
>>127239810
Interesting conflict.
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>>127239810
I at least hope there’s lots of sister incest porn out of this
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>>127239773
>It’s the grandmas fault for demanding everyone keep a perfect image of the family
If they don't they'd get cancelled by twitter
The Grandma is right
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>>127239221
Don’t they say that about every Disney movie that comes out?
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It looks really boring. remember when Pixar films had fun. Worlds and unique character design?
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>>127239773
>Latinx grandmother is mean towards the teenage grandchild with high hopes and dreams and ends up causing most of the movie’s conflict
So they’re ripping off Coco?
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>>127240060
This is not a Pixar movie
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>>127239221
Like Coco I'm sure it will be perfectly fine, but easily forgettable. Cant be worse than Raya unless the family has someone blaming the main character for a crime they did.
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>>127240095
My mistake, but that doesn't make it less boring lol
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>>127240115
Encanto looks boring as fuck while Turning Red, the real Pixar movie, looks like the most annoying piece of shit ever made in animated form. Can’t decide what’s worse.
It’s up to fucking Sony and Illumination to save Western animated movies.
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>>127239221
Well that settles it: Oscar for Best Animated Feature.
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Honestly thought the twist was the grandma keeping the power to control the house to herself when the house wanted the main girl as a new host. I mean the grandma is still the source of the issues but still.
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>>127240157
I wasn't paying attention and I assumed Turning Red was DreamWorks or something
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>>127239221
I saw another review that basically said it was average but fun for kids. This article's probably paid-by-Disney
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>>127240100
>Cant be worse than Raya
Sure it can. All it would have to do to be worse than Raya is lack a cute blue dragon to carry the movie
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>>127239702
No, the grandma is the one destroying the magic, she’s making everyone miserable
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>>127239221
Wooooww, the same critics who made Ghostbusters 2016 certified fresh and gave Birds of Prey a higher rating than Joker? They say it's the best? The same critics who couldn't stop praising Raya? That one? Well I'm sold, these brainless motherfuckers clearly know what they're talking about.
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>>127239221
They already remade Coco? It only came out 4 years ago
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>>127239221
im only gonna watch it for bruno. is there camrips yet
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>>127241303
>Bruno
I hope he's in it for more than 3 minutes because I really don't give a shit about anyone else I've seen besides maybe Camilo. Who I'm sure has maybe 15 seconds of screentime.
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>>127239221
I think we've established like like 7 years ago that critic is a nice word for "shill".
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>>127239930
That's just the older women. It's almost like they were kidnapped and raped into the family or something and take it out on the younger generations.
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>>127239773
just like irl
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>>127239221
>critics say
>And if they don’t say that, they are labeled as bigoted racist white supremacists and no longer invited to pre-screening events. So they better shill, when they are told to shill, otherwise mister Mouse will be upset with them and ruin their career.
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Imagine the jungle the mc must have behind that skirt
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>watch trailer
>gift giving ceremony occurs on a family member's 5th birthday
>they say the last gift ceremony before the tiny black kid's was Mirabel's
Ok you guys are absolutely right about her looking way too old because I assumed for sure that the shape shifting cousin in the poncho would be younger than her.
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>>127239295
I not only didn't realize it was a theatrical release, I didn't even think it was a movie. I thought it was a disney+ series.
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>>127239810
>family member is the villain

Based. Bonus points for it being a woman.
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>Kick son out because he points out peoples bad futures in order to help them try and fix shit.
>Become enraged at granddaughter for having the audacity to reconcile with her sister and make it so she won’t marry the boy you chose for her to marry
The grandma was a real piece of shit. I feel like she deserved a bit more punishment than just admitting her faults since she’s been doing this to her family for decades.
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>grandpa was killed by rebels
What time period is this shit supposed to take place in? Is there a specific Colombian political conflict the grandparents lived during?
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>>127239221
Critics would say ANY Disney movie is one of their best. This is the 10th time in as many years that Disney's newest hot film is among their best and groundbreaking according to critics. Actually, you could be any animated movie and at least get a 70% on Rotten Tomatoes. You could even be Sing and hit that benchmark. Critics are a joke.
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>>127239221
/co/lombiano aqui, No confiaria en los criticos ni siquiera por 1 Millon de Dolares.
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So does she show her feet or not
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>>127241918
It looks like the West has finally succumbed to the Japanese same-face syndrome.
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>>127242384
Earliest is the 90's, the CIA killed Gaitan and blamed it on a farmboy.
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>>127243218
>Wtf why do family members look like each other?
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>>127239892
Mexican Becky Sugar somehow looks more Jewish than the real Becky Sugar.
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>>127240624
Pixar has been making Dreamworks or Walt Disney Studios movies ever since Brave. They no longer have an unique identity or artstyle.
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>>127242384
As far as I remember the Revolutionary Armed Colombian Forces(FARC in spanish) are still active and are an issue in colombia
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I saw this movie today.
It was OK. Some of the songs I didn't really like like Luisa's song but for the most part I just came away with it saying "yup that was a disney movie." Did get teary-eyed at the song 'Dos Oruguitas' but overall the movie still was just okay.
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>>127243727
if u know about 100 years of Solitude please tell me if it was anything at all like it
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>>127243796
Nope
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>>127239221
"disney animation's 60th film".

I feel like the CG ones should get their own numbering. The last true Disney animated film was The Princess and the Frog.
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if mirabel is the youngest daughter, why did they design her to look middle aged?

i honestly thought she was the mom when i first saw the preview
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>>127241467
I don't mean to blogpost but unfortunately what you described was more likely to have happened than you think. I'm not sure if you were meaning to joke or make a throwaway comment but that sort of shit actually happened and wasn't that uncommon. Happened to a great grandma, a grandma, and it almost happened to my mom back in the 80s; she managed to get a hold of the steering wheel and crashed the car. Police were involved and the guy's family was shocked that my mom and her family wanted to press charges because that isn't how they would have expected it to pan out in Mexico. My mother likewise knew another woman that this happened to in the 90s (in Mexico).

If that happened to you yeah I can see that making the woman bitter and mean towards the younger generations. My one grandma didn't bother with her grandkids at all, she was mean.
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fucking sudacas prietos: the movie
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>>127244073
let's not pretend like 90% of everyone south of the usa in the American continent doesn't have like at least 1 enslaved African ancestor from the 1800s or earlier.
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>>127244073
that's not nice
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>>127242384

1950s,which would put Pedro's death sometime during the Thousand Days War.
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>>127243847
>The last true Disney animated film was The Princess and the Frog.

AM I A JOKE TO YOU!?
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>>127246220
lmao that's like betting 1 million dollars in the roulette to maybe win 100 000, else you loose it all.
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>>127239221
they reach such a low point in soullessness that you wouldn't even know it's animated if you blurred their face out.
Fuck, real actors with the shitty disney face app look exactly the same now. This isn't /co/ anymore, it's /tv/
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>>127243414
Brave was fantastic. All their films since have been crap, except for Incredibles 2 and Finding Dory. Lightyear looks very promising, thankfully.
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>>127247063
>Brave was fantastic.
Stopped reading there
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>Bruno attempts light humor to try and make Pepa feel a bit more calmer during her wedding
>She honestly thought he caused her to make a hurricane on purpose
Bruno really did just get the short end of the stick in the family since abuela pretty much made him an outcast the moment his power was chosen for him. I mean honestly the ending should have been her leaving the family after the realization that her abuse broke it apart but instead she’s forgiven in 13 seconds and that’s it.
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okay so the movie came out yesterday, I haven't seen it yet, but I have one question for those who did:
Do the VAs drop random spanish words every 2 sentences in the english version? Because if yes, I'm not gonna watch it in english
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>>127242183
That was 2/3 of Coco's plot.
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>>127247473
Actually fuck you (SORRY) but I really believe this American liberal or whatever shit of not forgiving is bad. It's better to forgive, am I saying this because I've been the victimizer? I've also been the victim but overall more the victimizar i think. In any case I don't expect everyone to forgive but I do believe it's better when they do and if you do great thank God for that.
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>>127247568
Also i could say that I have suffered psychologically greatly so I got that so from that I know I don't want others to suffer. I also acknowledge that others also suffered more than I do and perhaps that's why they act so much worse than me even though I think that doesn't give them an excuse to hurt someone through hurting someone else that has nothing to do with it just because they want that which they want to hurt to hurt the most and as much as possible
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>>127247541

Oh yeah
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>>127247473
The reason most western media is shit is because Female Characters are always enabled to being shit incarnate. Female Characters are never held responsible for the horrible and even evil shit that they do and that's why I largely quit watching western media.

>>127247093
Agreed and Merida is officially Pixar's most unlikable female main character. Selfish entitled royal brat who even spends most of the movie denying she's responsible of any wrong doing and at the end? Merida gets her way instead of being castigated by the mother she cursed. Not to mention that what her mother wanted wasn't so bad, to start being a young adult and do her responsibilities as diplomat. Merida was willing to offend and start a war with clans due to pure laziness and entitlement while claiming she's oppressed. Cunt you're a princess who gets to waste many days eating free food and only doing your hobbies. A commoner woman in that era had to work hard.

Seeing that shitty movie win the award for Best Animated Film was repulsive. And don't get me started on Raya, there's another Women Can Never Do Wrong bullshit film. Also Coco had this as well, the main character's ancestor found out her husband was NOT a cheat and she never apologizes to him because her cunt nature if the reason her family were oppressed by her bitterness. Western media reeks of estrogen shit.
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> l*tino "culture"
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>>127243386
i give you that Rebecca isn't traditionally attractive but at least she doesn't look severely autistic the moment you look at her
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>>127243982
Because she's a self insert
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>>127239221
Critics liked that piece of shit with the dragon, didn't they?
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>>127239221
>cgi
>animation
Lol
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>>127243989
>Be light skin Black
>Recognize like 30 percent of your ancestors were hardcore rapists

Feels bad man
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>>127239810
In retrospect I should've seen this coming given the grandmother's darker clothes. She looks like a variation of Gothel.
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>>127239892
>coming out as a latinx
How... how the fuck does that even work?

Like:
>White kid summons his white parents to the living room
>"Mom, Dad... the truth is... I'm black"
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>>127246240
It's more like instead of betting a million dollars in the casino you throw it out of the hotel window and then blame the roulette tables.
They put that movie up against the final Harry Potter movie. They sent that bear out there to die.
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>>127249644
You've seriously not heard about the trans-race movement?
They're the most oppressed minority around. NO ONE likes them.
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>>127249748
>You've seriously not heard about the trans-race movement?
I mean... I've heard of people claiming to be in a body "of the wrong race"... but I thought they were still not enough to be an actual movement... damn...

So, does this person even have a drop of latin blood in her? Or literally a whitey roleplaying?
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>>127249841
Fuck if I know. Wouldn't be surprised if she's just some chick who's has latino ancestry, but hasn't had fucking anything to do with any latino community outside of the US, and still think she speaks for all of them.
Wouldn't be surprised if she was just LARPing either.
If people in governmental positions do it, the chance of some art person from Cali doing it skyrockets.
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>>127243989
>My one grandma didn't bother with her grandkids at all, she was mean.
My Great grandmother was shit towards my Grandma but she was very sweet towards my mother and me, My Grandma was shit towards my mom but she was really nice to me and would spoil me.

My mother is strict with me but she's not an awful person but I also looked at the fact that even if she was poor she was partially raised in an environment where she had a good education the years she lived away from my grandma. She got to go to university and have a stable life once she left my grandma's household. But I hear about my grandmother and my Great Grandmother's lives and they were treated like shit by other people and the men they were with treated them like shit. My Grandma at the least ended up with an American that treated her well and the kid she had with him is the only kid that she likes.
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The theme of family pressure to be perfect doesn't really make sense for the world. Shouldn't a movie about magical realism be crazy? What's the writer's beef?
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>>127251594
>Shouldn't a movie about magical realism be crazy?
No, the point of magical realism is that everyone acts indifferent to the magic or see it as a normal evreyday thing.
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>>127251892
>Magical Realism
Not the same anon, but why is magical realism sometimes treated as some sort of LatinAmerican exclusive unique genre?

And I'm asking as a freaking spic who is tired of other latino shitting their pants over "muh realismo mágico"
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>>127239221
>Its about the soulless self-hating misanthropes that live in the hellhole states South of Texas

Welp, on to the next movie. I'm here to watch compelling film about the lives of people, not the shuffling abominations that don't have souls.
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>>127252050
>Calling yourself a spic
lol poor little self-hating bitch
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>>127239221
>‘Encanto’ is Disney Animation’s 60th film
That’s nice.
>and critics say it’s among the best
That’s a huge statement. Better be sincere and not clickbait.
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>hispanic-americans will watch this and think it's their culture
I hate this. It's just like the mexican-americans actors in Rio
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>>127252185
Kek... must sting not having your own racial slur, eh mi gringuito?
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>>127252497
X-Americans are all degenerate filth desperately trying to cling to a culture they have no connection to while ideologically shitting on traditional values.

As a Britbong, we literally have second and third generation muslim immigrants going batshit insane because they want to be a "Real muslim" so they become a radical fuckwit and blow themselves up.
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>>127252636
Why would you be proud of being called a racial slur? What the fuck is wrong with you? Go seek validation on /pol/ over being called one of the "good ones" cause you ain't finding it here.
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>>127252735
Banter is an art lost to mutt-things.
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>>127252810
Banter is directed towards other people not yourself, otherwise it's just pity partying or self-hatred.
And you do know that almost everyone in latin american countries is of mixed-race, right? Yet another example of you internalizing /pol/cel memes. They're never gonna let you in their secret club bro.
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>>127252735
>Why would you be proud of being called a racial slur?
>What the fuck is wrong with you?
I would be more worried about assigning words a power they shouldn't hold... that can only lead you to seethe over the most stupid things.
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>>127243179
>>127243179
Latinbro recomiendas verla?
>>127243179
Me interesa la opinión de un colombiano sobre esta película. Qué reacciones ha habido en tu país? La gente la ve con buenos ojos o como pura propaganda gringa?
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>>127239892
She's still pretty white passing. Maybe because most Columbians come from colonizers.
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>>127253030
>I would be more worried about assigning words a power they shouldn't hold... that can only lead you to seethe over the most stupid things.
bruh you guys cry whenever someone calls you "Latinx" stfu.
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>>127252050
>trying to impress edgy /pol/ teenagers
Triste
Did they not teach you about Gabriel García Marquez or Isabel Allende in school?
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>>127247651
The only one who speaks the truth. You Americans make trash for women.
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>>127239773
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>>127240875
Sounds honestly not that bad. I might gonna watch it.
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>>127253403
>no one has even said anything about "latinx"
The only one who seems to be crying about words is you, anon.
Are you, like... ok?
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>>127239221
Wow what a time to be alive when everything is the best ever.
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>>127239295
Then watch more Nickerson, Disney and Cartoon Network anon. Because a kids movie surprisingly gets advertised during kids shows. Who would have thought?
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>>127239892
>>127243386
>>127247779
>Rebeca Zucar
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>>127253556
>>trying to impress edgy /pol/ teenagers
Not trying to impress anyone, anon... what are you even talking about?

>Did they not teach you about Gabriel García Marquez or Isabel Allende in school?
Had to read their books all throughout the equivalent of high school. Why do you think I'm asking what I'm asking in the first place?
I was taught magical realism was a LatinAmerican exclusive and unique genre. Years later, I read stuff from authors from other parts of the world which felt like magical realism and turned out to be classified as such.
Read more into it, and turns out magical realism is present in many parts of the globe... yes, its origins track down to LatAm, but why some people still consider it exclusive to it? It is one of those "anime is a Japanese exclusive thing" kind of deals?
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Any place to watch it online ?
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>>127239221
Whats this even about? Why would kids want to see this?
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Three Caballeros > Emperor's New Groove > Saludos Amigos > Coco > Encanto
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>>127253957
It's either the best thing ever or the worst, there's nothing between them
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> random black kid in a hispanic family

Looks like they are going after latin people with them forcing black people into them
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I want to bully Bruno
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>>127254933
He has the pixar nose
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>>127253220
Tarde y no onions el mismo anon pero yo diría que acá la cosa tiende más al entusiasmo simplemente por ser tenidos en cuenta y que sólo los intelectuales de Twitter se quejan porque la película no trata "temas profundos de la realidad social colombiana". He visto otros quejarse de que hay muchas referencias culturales regionales dispares (sobre todo en trajes), pero esos también son tuiteros.
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>>127247651
There is too much truth in this post.
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I spoiled myself by reading Wikipedia but Mirabel and Bruno easily earn my sympathy while the matriarch, I dislike. The story feels sloppy though.
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>>127255530
Of course, the matriarch gets away with being a piece of shit. Typical western media, a woman must never be held responsible for wrong doing.
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>>127254330
In a nutshell, they started it and magical realism isn't that popular of a genre in the first place. Also the concept is pretty general, so sometimes things that could fall under its umbrella don't. Rip van winkle, for example, is american folklore or magical realism depending on how you slice it. Pretty much yes, its an "anime is Japan only" kinda thing. Some people see it more generally, some don't.
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>>127255604
I'm a woman and even I can't stand women like her.
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>>127254330
>I was taught magical realism was a LatinAmerican exclusive and unique genre.
It is? Because Latin American literature is woefully lacking in fantastic elements, unlike English literature which is saturated with it. The great, great majority of Latin American literature (outside of compilations of folk stories) is historical fiction about dictators and/or poor people being exploited; it's practically the "We Live In A Society" meme made to fill an entire library.
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>>127256195
Fantasy=/=magical realism
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>>127252050
>Not the same anon, but why is magical realism sometimes treated as some sort of Latin American exclusive unique genre?
Because the defining works came from Latin American authors. But it's hardly unique to that part of the world. Porco Rosso is also magical realism.
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>>127252050
Why are spics so self-hating?
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>>127244136
That's right
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>>127240875
>she’s making everyone miserable
just like an actual abuela!
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>>127247779
>isn't traditionally attractive
Rebecca looks more like a god damned monkey than Ian
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>>127256321
because our culture sucks ass
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>>127256458
you are now officially also Scottish
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>>127252732
>second and third generation muslim immigrants going batshit insane because they want to be a "Real muslim"
so they want to move to another country and complain about non-halal food
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>>127247651
Does anyone get the feeling this guy's mom told him no once and he still holds a grudge?
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>>127241918
>hot cousin handholding (fingers crossed) hot cousin
They fuck together in foursomes, right?
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>>127256691
Eat shit and die, enabling bastards like you have ruined civilization since you allow women to act horribly and it's obvious that you don't mind crime when it's done by women. Fuck you.
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>>127256321
The kings of being self haters are white people.
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>>127239221
>60th film
Honestly thought there were more.
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Jesus Christ was Fez literally the only ethnic guy they could find to play Mirabel's dad? He sounds younger than all of his daughters.
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>>127255530
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>>127255645
I have sympathy for Bruno as a fortuneteller, but not for Mirabel. She just seems cloying and annoying. I do feel a little for Alma.

The story seems so niche to me. I know some families put pressure on their descendants, but a lot of families are not like that. It seems like it was an issue for the writer but it's not a universal concept.
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>>127239221
>That pic
I just have one question, where are the boobs?

Aren't Latina women supposed to be curvy?
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>>127258197
I don’t think movies need to have universal concepts to work. For example, the vast majority of movies have grand romances, but not everybody relates to that either. The more important thing is that you can understand the characters’ situation and sympathize. You don’t always need to empathize to sympathize.
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>>127239829
this
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>every single human animated film is "dude brown people lmao" now
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>>127259952
>every single human animated film
Wait, who else makes films?
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I think Mirabel should have got a gift- a really shitty gift like the ability to grow nails or start a lawnmower first try.
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>>127259952
Brown people who act white because I assure you Disney does not have the nerve to depict Non Whites like how they truly are. That would NOT be Jewish Politically Correct Family Friendly.
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>>127239697
Unironically yes. Sure, I can find them funny and endearing but I'm not connecting with Pumba on an emotional level
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Encanto art of book Photo image youtube rip dump storytime
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>>127256244
>magic realism is not fantasy
Just a subgenre of it.
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>>127258462
>Aren't Latina women supposed to be curvy?
Yes they are, but this is what happens when you let modern white people design the characters
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>>127260269
Fuck Jennifer Lee
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>>127260437
She's good since she green lights bad ideas for movies she's the one wasting Disney money. Hope that she helps Disney lose billions and hope that the people who eventually replace her are just as terrible or worse. We want Disney to fail as much as possible.
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is there a hypno scene bros?
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>>127260495
>Walt Disney nimation Studios' Black Employees group
fuck that

Disney loves to brag about how all their projects are a "collaboration", but honestly that just sounds like corporate speak for "made by committee".
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>>127258462
>Aren't Latina women supposed to be curvy?
Not all of them
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>>127239930
Sucks for you. Abuela was ever-loving until her last day.
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>>127260760
Thing is, the premise of refugees founding their own town in an encanto is great. The whole idea of a family having to be a beacon of perfection just doesn't fly with me. There's a disconnect between those two concepts.

If the story was about a group of refugees finding a magical valley to protect them from war and danger, that would've been awesome. But they had to add shit that wasn't necessary like giving every family member powers. The idea of a magical homeland is plenty to explore and they made it more complicated and less focused.
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>>127260855
The idea of a house being the measurement of the family that inhabits it is a solid concept, but I think it wasn't executed well in the movie. The house should go from being vibrant and full of life in its prime to being cracked and dilapidated in the course of the story should take decades, not days. The family was never truly broken- it was all a rather juvenile take on what a broken family is.
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>>127260917
I wrote >>127260970 before I read that comment/saw that image. I was right.

This book is bumming me out. Encanto had the makings of a great story with all these wonderful elements, but as soon as they made the story focus on Mirabel's internal struggles, it lost its magic.
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Sorry to see Abuela Alma's final character be a rather sterilized individual. They stripped the character of all her individuality.
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>>127239221
What, it's among the 60 best? I guess one can't argue with that.
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>>127261103
Glad they didn't go with either of these concepts. Talking animal trophies has been done and the aerial village is excessive.
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It drives me insane when Disney greenlights a movie based on aesthetics but without a story nailed down. The concept art is beautiful but the story was trite.
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>>127261032
What was wrong with Mirabel?
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>>127261307
Same old shit- one family member doesn't have magic but proves herself special in other ways. She doesn't have anything going for her beyond the same princess principles of love and determination and shit.
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>>127261259
They greenlit it because ethnic stories are "in" right now, and by "in" I mean Californians like them and everyone else tolerates them.
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>>127261355
So in other words, she's formulaic. What if she had magical powers like the rest of her family? Would that make her a better character? Yes or no?
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>>127259044
I sympathize with Mirabel in that she is the only family member who never received a magical power. I feel so bad for her even though she does get on my nerves sometimes with her quirkiness.
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>>127261403
No. Can't Disney focus on somebody who isn't a teenage/young adult girl?
>>127261383
Ethnic stories should always be "in" and not because of idpol. I want to explore new worlds. This story is too tame, like it was written for schoolchildren.
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>>127261387
They should've gone with one of these designs, at least she looks closer to 15 and not 30. Then again I don't know how it'd turn out once it became CGI
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>>127259992
Nah, that wouldn't fit Mirabel's character and it would destroy the moral message that you don't need to have magic to be special.
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>>127260437
Yeah, she ruins everything. She's a bleeding heart liberal who can't write yet she is excused simply because she is a woman.
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>>127261474
>No. Can't Disney focus on somebody who isn't a teenage/young adult girl?

Why not just change Mirabel's design since she looks way older than she should be? Make her marketable by not dressing her in nanny's clothes and make her more like an actual teenage girl.
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>>127261331
Writer pretty much outright states the main character is her. Holy fuck is she awful.
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>>127261460
Jeez Mirabel is shit. Her personality is garbage, her aesthetic is dumb, my god she ruined what could have been great.
>>127261519
Preaching to the choir. Jennifer Lee shouldn't be working in Hollywood yet Disney put her in charge of a whole studio. I can tell she's the one pushing for all these ethnic stories that don't actually have anything to say.
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>>127261604
No. The character for her personality doesn't bring anything to the story.
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>>127261613
That was me who made that statement about Jennifer Lee. I can't forgive her for the trainwrecks she's worked on like A Wrinkle In Time, Frozen II, Wreck It Ralph 2, Raya And The Last Dragon, and so on.

As for Mirabel, she feels like an Anna 2.0. even though I haven't watched the movie yet, so I feel neutral about her but still wished she deserved better writing.
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>>127261618
I like how Luisa is burly yet still effeminate.
>>127261654
It's too much to have the rooms be entire worlds. The amusement park doesn't belong in a house in one person's room- an amusement park is best enjoyed with company.
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>>127261647
>character for her personality

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>>127261604
Some teenage girls really do dress frumpy like that, I was one of them. Her clothing style fits because it makes her even more of an outcast
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>>127261842
That makes sense. But would it sell?
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>>127261703
Yup yup yup. I ain't watching it until is shows up on Disney+. I don't want to give money directly in support of WDAS because of Lee.
>>127261732
Isabela has a great design, but these comments from the artists are souring it. I didn't get the feeling that Isabela was hiding her anxiety.
>>127261772
Mirabel's personality doesn't do the story any favors.
>gender expression
just say gender ffs.
>>127261759
Isabela's not going to be Disney's last flower child, that's for sure. There's just too much in flowers to limit to a single character.
>>127261842
That's me now. I just got too stressed and stopped caring about everything else.
>>127261884
It would have to be done right like Sophie from Howl's Moving Castle.
>>127261895
Julieta was a good design. She was cleaned up a bit too much for the movie though. I like her looking a bit tired.
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People called Black Panther amazing but it's just "okay" in the MCU so let's not buy into hype.
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>>127252497
Good, if Hollywood turns it's all-seeing eye of corruption on to the beaners maybe ethnic Europeans can finally raise their children in peace.
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>>127261996
>Mirabel's personality doesn't do the story any favors.

Then don't make her quirky and cheerful. Make her reclusive and envious.
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>>127262026
There aren't too many "ethnic" Europeans in America. We've all became homogenized under the name of patriotism.
>>127262031
Byron Howard does good art, but I don't see how either of those pieces relate to magical realism.
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>>127261613
>Jeez Mirabel is shit. Her personality is garbage, her aesthetic is dumb, my god she ruined what could have been great.

I wonder if you hate her more than Anna from Frozen or that they're more or less even?
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>>127262213
Anna's worse because Disney's still pushing her as queen when Frozen II nuked merchandise sales.
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Following the release of Encanto, I wonder how many people out there either hate or feel indifferent about Mirabel? And I wonder how much she sells compared to the rest of her family?
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>>127262424
Disney is seriously trying to push Queen Anna even after Frozen is pretty much done for? Wow, that's sad. When will they get a grip on reality and realize Anna will NEVER sell? They already ruined her in Frozen I and they ruined her even more in Frozen II. BECAUSE OF THEM, it's their fault Anna didn't become popular in the first place. When will they shut up and learn to take responsibility for their actions?
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>>127262426
If other members of the family move merch more than Mirabel, then Mirabel is a failure of character design. Same thing happened to Anna.
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>>127261996
>Isabela has a great design, but these comments from the artists are souring it. I didn't get the feeling that Isabela was hiding her anxiety.

>Julieta was a good design. She was cleaned up a bit too much for the movie though. I like her looking a bit tired.

I have a bad feeling they will end up selling a lot more than the main character, Mirabel.
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>>127262501
History repeats itself. How sad. What constitutes a good character design?
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>>127262567
It's hard to say. There is no magic recipe. Some characters work and some don't. They just have to be written properly.
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>>127262704
Is it just based on different opinions or objective criticism?
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>>127261996
>Mirabel's personality doesn't do the story any favors

You mean her being quote: "cloying" and "annoying"?

So it's not her design you mainly have problems with, but it's mainly her personality?
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>>127239221
Encanto was okay. I went and saw it with some friends, and it does distinctly warm my heart to see that western animation hasn't been completely BTFO forever.
The writing was also pretty okay, though the movie overall is kind of forgettable, the songs in particular. There's one that I like.

I feel like Disney animation has this problem where their newer movies are constantly going to be in the shadow of their older, culture defining, critically acclaimed films that everyone remembers from their childhood.

Even more popular newer ones like Moana and Zootopia feel like they lack staying power. I don't know what it is about it, or even what i'd do to remedy it. Maybe I'm just getting older but I ain't feeling the magic.

A shame Shadman's in jail, imagine what might come of this.
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>127262948
...You seem upset, anon-kun.
Can I suggest drinking some water to stop being that salty over a fucking art-dump thread, you fucking troglodite?

>>127262928
Also, OP, good shit (for what it tried to do), thanks for the pics and please continue.
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>>127261460
I can understand Mirabel dressing up in clothes to emphasize that she is part of the Madrigal family and she wants to be special, but her design makes her look old for her age. She's 15, not 30.
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>>127261436
The black-and-white color palette is unappealing to children and not mention it looks like she's going to a funeral.
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>>127239295
Ive been seeing YouTube ads for it for weeks
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>>127263069
I honestly wished they didn't make Mirabel overly quirky. It's annoying and it feels unrealistic how she can act like this even after being shunned by her own family just for not having magic for years.
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>>127249841
She just sick with gendered-language
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>>127263294
Thank you very much for these pics. These gave us insight to the creators' vision and why they chose the designs for each character even though he don't necessarily agree with them.
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>>127256691
>Does anyone get the feeling this guy's mom told him no once and he still holds a grudge?
Peeminist psychopath faggot
Hope you being gangraped and die
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>>127263267
Then she should spend her time attacking a/an instead of trying to change another groups language for them.
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>>127263294
Thanks, Anon. This was fantastic to look at and explore.
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>>127263356
Please stop.
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Man, I feel bad for Mirabel. She's the main character and only one in her family without powers and she gets dunked on both in-universe and seemingly out-of-universe.
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I also still feel bad for Anna. Having to be separated from her sister and then forced to become queen because she's a mere self-insert for the writers. Plus, she's become even more unpopular than before thanks to Disney trying to push her as queen as much as possible while reducing their bestseller, Elsa as a ghostly spirit.
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Just got back from the theater, it was really good IMO.

Had the disney magic
>good songs
>great animation
>fun plot

unironically the best 3d movie so far.
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>>127262748
Art is entirely subjective. There's no such thing as an objective opinion.
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>>127263294
Kill yourself.
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>>127239221
It's good, but it could have been great if they just introduced the stakes or made them more clear. The Columbian strife the mountains keep everyone safe from isn't referenced and it's hardly implied to be present decades after the start of the family magic. If the stakes are just "oh no we'll lose our powers" and their powers are shown to be just a luxury, then beyond family drama it's minor.
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>>127263214
Wow. The author thanked Clark Spencer but not Jennifer Lee. Ouch.
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>>127264506
Then again, Miyazaki makes some great films with low stakes. This is probably just me having a certain expectation with Disney movies.
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>>127264409
Fuck off, Disney.
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>>127256691
90% of 4chode users were either loved too much or too little by their mothers
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>>127256458
It doesn’t, stop being a self-hating bitch.
I bet you’re the kinda zoomer autist that posts “sáquenme de Latinamerica xddd” memes on Facebook
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>>127264540
My favorite Pixar movie is Ratatouille precisely because it has low stakes and thus allows more for character progression and introspection of its themes. That’s not to say I don’t like big adventure movies but when most Disney stuff is epic “save the world” or “save the princess” stories, something that breaks the formula feels very nice.
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>>127264506
>It's good

No. Die because you like shit.
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>>127263235
Wow I hate this character. She looks gross. And Disney chose her as the lead? I feel like that was pushed by Jennifer Lee to have a female lead wearing glasses. And really Mirabel shouldn't wear glasses if she eats her mom's healing food.
>>127263267
Aren't we all?
>>127262776
Both.
>>127263197
The butterflies are dumb.
>>127264697
Disney definitely tried to market Raya and the Last Dragon as about saving the entire world and advertisements aren't letting Encanto be low-stakes either. As usual, Pixar wins.
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Just saw it. It was mostly mediocre with a few good moments. It was also not funny in the slightest.
It’s a slightly worse Coco, which I didn’t care for much either. But it’s better than Raya.
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>>127262567
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>Elsa is a lot cooler
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>>127243179
Colombiano aquí, es una película fantástica que realmente captura mucha de nuestra cultura sin inclinarse mucho por alguna región, el detalle de los asesinos con machetes fue muy bueno
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>>127263235
Does the art book explain why they decided to change the name from Maribel to Mirabel? Or is it just a Coraline ripo- I mean, reference.
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I didn’t get why Maribel never got any powers. By the end they said something about the grandma failing her, but the little boy ended up just fine?
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>>127264810
Shame. It could have been something special too.
>>127264816
Anna's not even cute. She's annoying.
>>127264858
Did they ever explain why? It doesn't make sense really unless Mirabel was adopted.
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>>127264846
>127261436
>127261387
Text on the concept art suggest it was always Mirabel. Which is still dumb- Mirabel isn't a Spanish name.
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Animation is supposed to bring all kinds of diverse content, yet here is Disney releasing two movies in 2021 with plots I’ve already seen done to death in other movies and shows. How many times do studios have to put the same repetitive messages of “be emotionally open” and “forgive those who hurt you” until people get sick of it? I mean old Disney movies were also repetitive, but they didn’t pretend to say anything meaningful, and was more occupied with being extremely fun and exciting. So many one dimensional heroes and villains from long ago had more charisma and memorability than 90% of the modern “deeper” Disney casts.
Fuck, no wonder Arcane blew up, it’s animated content that doesn’t say the same old shit than everyone else says. The movie isn’t that bad, but it’s released in a point in time where we get this type of story every time. Watch any modern disney tva show and you will see the same shit, done better or worse.
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>>127264858
She has the power to rebuild the house if anything ever happens again, she is busted
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Since nothing I've seen indicates Abuela actually has a gift either, I can only assume Mirabel was chosen to be the next matriarch. Which I suppose just entails being the keeper of the candle and going "muh casita muh family" all the time.
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>>127265055
There is no candle, think about it as tangled Rapunzel, mirabel is the candle now
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>>127256458
spics are the abandoned child of Europeans raping Native people.
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>>127265043
>She has the power to rebuild the house if anything ever happens again, she is busted
I dunno they've apparently gone like 40 fucking years without any catastrophe, and this one only happened because Abuela was being bitchy. With this new knowledge that the power of love makes the house tick they should be fine unless a drug cartel blows them up.
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>>127264642
So, what LatinAmerican culture you belong to, anon?
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>>127265099
the house is built around 1940-1950 they should be around 1990 so probably soon
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>>127265074
Cringe /pol/cel meme. Literally everyone in History can trace its origin backs to rape among different groups of people, with Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals being the earliest example we know of with total security
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>>127265108
>Anon
Eww
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>>127265181
So, just another whitey telling latinos how they should feel about their own culture, classic.
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>>127265181
What the fuck are you eww'ing about you absolute retard?
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>>127265255
Ugh too damn Quirky. Also doesn't look like a fucking teenager.
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>>127261895
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Impressive how the outfit they settled on is absolutely the shittiest out of every design idea they played with.
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>>127264340
Then you saying whether a character design is bad or not is based entirely on opinion.
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>>127264907
>Anna's not even cute. She's annoying.

From your perspective maybe, others do beg to differ however.

If you ignore her color palette, she is pretty cute.
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>>127265649
>I like all Latin American culture, from the Mexican northern bands to the gauchos in Patagonia.
So... chicano? Did I get it right?
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>>127264781
>I have sympathy for Bruno as a fortuneteller, but not for Mirabel. She just seems cloying and annoying. I do feel a little for Alma.

>Jeez Mirabel is shit. Her personality is garbage, her aesthetic is dumb, my god she ruined what could have been great.

>Mirabel's personality doesn't do the story any favors.

>Wow I hate this character. She looks gross. And Disney chose her as the lead? I feel like that was pushed by Jennifer Lee to have a female lead wearing glasses. And really Mirabel shouldn't wear glasses if she eats her mom's healing food.

What do you suggest they do with Mirabel then? Excise her from Encanto?
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>>127265255
This instantly turned me off when it comes to Mirabel's character. They really tried to too hard to emphasize her quirkiness. I can see why Anonnymiss hates her now.
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>>127266014
Not that guy but I'd find the story more appealing if Bruno was the lead
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>>127266135
You're not Anonnymiss?

And why Bruno and not Mirabel? Because Bruno is not annoying and overly-quirky?
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>>127266159
I think a guy who seems genuinely autistic with low EQ who was apparently either banished by/felt like he had to disappear because of his asshole family is more interesting than happy go lucky teenage girl #391234872 who's just generally overlooked by the family.
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>>127239697
Unintentionally based?
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>>127266310
Yeah, that makes sense. I honestly wished Mirabel had a more reserved and brooding personality instead of the overly-quirky and happy teenage girl.

They already did that with Anna from Frozen and it didn't win her any favors from the audience. Everyone only cared about Elsa.
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>>127265255
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>>127265323
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>>127266356
Unfortunately yes, her design makes her look 30 even though she's 15. I get that her design is supposed to reflect on the fact that she wants to badly be a part of her family and to prove that she is special and all, but still...couldn't they make her look her age?
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I was actually hoping for a non-magical protagonist in a Disney movie who proves to magical people that they're still capable even without magical powers since Anna from Frozen failed horribly, but alas it seems that Mirabel will fall to the same fate.

I wonder when a non-magical protagonist in a magical setting full of magical people will get a great design and good writing?
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Every day I still weep for Anna's lack of popularity. Looks like I might be doing the same for Mirabel as well.

I wonder whether people don't like these characters just because they're not magical like their relatives?
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>>127266440
And that upcoming Red Panda movie doesn't count, since even though the protag has the same personality as Anna and Mirabel, she still has magical powers.
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>>127239697
foxes are more relatable

yiff motherfucker yiff
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I haven’t watched yet. But it would have been really cool to have the movie primarily about Abuela Alma when they first arrive. So her raising these kids, and balancing protecting this little community and being the keeper of the light.
And she tries her best, she really does, and she’s ultimately kind at heart. But over the course, there are some hard choices she has to make, (maybe she refuses to take in some defectors from the rebels, knowing that she’s condemning them to death or something ) and that’s how the cracks in the foundation begin. As the triplets grow, she becomes more obsessed with keeping the encanto and her children perfect, fearing that she’ll lose one without the other.
Honestly, it’d be good less as a fantasy, but as slightly more gothic horror, especially when it comes to the house as a character of its own. The house is magic, it loves and protects them. The house is magic, it demands love in turn.
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>>127239221
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Seems like someone reported the Spanish discussion... sad, it was getting good.
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>>127241629
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>>127266808
I do wonder... does it matter that much to speak in Spanish in a thread that is clearly about a movie based on that Spanish-speaking country? I always thought exceptions could be made...
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>>127266839
>I always thought exceptions could be made...
A little Spanish banter in /co/ media based on Hispanic stuff is OK every now and then, the problem is that the two faggots were completely off topic
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>>127260015
Fine by me. At least, they aren't prentending it's Johan of Arc or Charlemeng.
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>>127254397
Switch the first two and I'm on board.
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>>127266931
Mr Janny please go do your job and delete stonetoss threads instead of oppressing latinx voices.
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>>127267412
>delete stonetoss threads
Have you even entered a stonetoss thread? Those are deleted on sight... the only time they last is because Jannies are sleeping.

>instead of oppressing latinx voices.
Also, Spanish or not, those two anons were completely off topic.
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>latinx
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>>127262792
>bottom far left
That would have been the best uncle to incite the little girls to ship him with Mirabel
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>>127265074
>raping

Spaniards were literaly known for marrying the girls, while the English raped and killed them. Learn your history.

The fact spics have spanish surnames proves it. They are literaly love children of spaniards and natives, that's the reason there are so many while north native americans hide in special areas to maintain their low numbers.
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>>127263149
>youtube ads
They is no excuse for anyone these days to not use ad block.
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>>127267979
The outfit doesnt' translate to live action well. And they were cheap, that isn't real embroidery!
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>>127243328
>the CIA killed
many such cases!
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>>127260558
This is gorgeous, why couldn't the film look like this? That version of Mirabel is nicer too, I dig the green dress and the big flower and retro hair.

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>>127266554
These are good ideas

>>127261032
Oof. Mirabel affects the magic of the film and not just the house? That sucks, did this character get a fair shake?
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>>127261387
Man she looks cuter in 2d, the one where she has the mint green glasses and scarf is so appealing while still making her look a little dorky. Interesting to see so much concept art with some manner of green being integral to her look.

>>127261460
When the reasoning is written out it makes sense but I can't say I find it personally appealing. If she feels overlooked I think it would make sense for her to wear even brighter colors or more jewelry. Instead the base of her outfit is plain in cut and color with all the attention grabbing elements being embroidered afterward which is significantly more work. I think a brightly colored fabric would stand out more and wouldn't need so much embellishment. Orange or hot pink could have worked. The direction Byron Howard took here >>127261569 is also cute albeit less brightly colored.

>>127261842
Mirabel doesn't look older because of her clothes but because of her face. They used the same visual language mostly used for older adults.
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They are paying a lot to advertize it for sure, but I don't see any real hype so far
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>>127262426
I think there is a chance Isabela will sell more merchandise. Perhaps Julieta might appeal to little girls but they tend to like mom characters less and I agree with you that she was cleaned up too much.

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OK I think I've isolated why she looks so old. I can't believe I'm saying this but she lacks proper forward growth. Look at how set back and sloping her chin is, she has a massive overbite and a flat philtrum. Mirabel needs to mew.

Can someone edit her profile so her chin is adjusted forward?
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>>127267979
Looks like the host of a live-action preschool program akin to The Big Comfy Couch. The acting is what sells it.
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>>127239307
Bad guy is white
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>>127268969
I'm glad I don't have a brother because if he was a a Chad I wouldn't be able to cope with the jealousy and inferiority complex.
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>>127247651
And the new film Encanto continues this routine.
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>>127239930
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>>127266808
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>>127239221
I don't see how you can look at this picture and think this movie will be good. It's more of the same soulless corporate greed Disney has been churning out since Iger was installed as CEO. Disney hasn't had a creative in charge since Eisner and the only reason Marvel has been a success (if formulaic) is because Feige is a genuine fan of comic books. No one in charge of Disney has any love of creating new stories - only a love of making money.
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>All those namefag posts

what the fuck
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>>127267979
>still no Raya face character in American parks
Come on at least she’s an actual princess
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all this shit looks the same
stop watching this garbage
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>>127261996
>Yup yup yup. I ain't watching it until is shows up on Disney+. I don't want to give money directly in support of WDAS because of Lee.
Well thanks, you fucked over a good movie.
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>>127261996
>>127271387
>I’m not watching this Disney movie until it’s on Disney’s own streaming service, instead of in theaters, so that they’ll only get 100% of the profits instead of 80%. That’ll show em!
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>>127271458
>what is pirating?
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>>127260970
It’s more like that the cracks are internal and since the mask of perfection is starting to fall of now so does the exterior of the house
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>>127271497
Not poor, I just don't want to give Disney any money. Simple as.
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>>127241038
wrong mexico
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>>127271476
Then why specify waiting until it’s on plus rather than anon saying they’re waiting to pirate it?
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>>127271840
Because the HD quality rip comes from Disney+
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>>127260739
Do, Dolores got cut out, huh?
Also, how can you call the colors of the town folk "neutral"?!
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>>127243989
Me again. I actually DID mean it as a joke...damn. I just thought of what would happen to cause an older woman to act like she hated the family she was in, and that was the most logical thing.
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>>127247651
You watched Brave for MERIDA?? The promise of a literal sexy mama bear got me to watch and Mauddie's tits KEPT me there.
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>>127271497
Good boy, eat your slop.
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>>127270427
Agreed, that's why I'm not looking forward to Disney's future projects. They've been consumed by greed that they forgot what made Disney great in the first place.
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>>127268374
>I think there is a chance Isabela will sell more merchandise. Perhaps Julieta might appeal to little girls but they tend to like mom characters less and I agree with you that she was cleaned up too much.

Actually, I wasn't the one who said Juliet's was cleaned up too much. You've mistaken me for someone else.
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>>127267573
Please don't encourage incest.
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>>127268303
>Mirabel doesn't look older because of her clothes but because of her face. They used the same visual language mostly used for older adults.

She looks older because of both. I can't believe they designed Mirabel to look like a 30 year old nanny instead of a teenage girl. These writers really love to self-insert so much.
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>>127271495
>It’s more like that the cracks are internal and since the mask of perfection is starting to fall of now so does the exterior of the house

Yeah, that does make sense.
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>>127271497
cope harder mousexecutive
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I feel embittered knowing that Mirabel could have been a great character but these writers choose to make her overly-quirky and make her look twice her age because they want to make Mirabel their self-insert.

I just want a good story about an equally good protagonist with no supernatural powers in a setting where other people have supernatural powers. And they prove that they can still be capable without them.
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>>127262567
It needs to be simple enough, it needs to stand out from the other characters, and it needs to appeal to the target demographic of the movie.
Mirabel's design isn't going to be moving dolls, because she lacks all the elements a little girl would gravitate towards, and it's difficult to see how she would fit any boys' merch either.
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>coming out as a latinx
>>127239892 I fickin lol´d
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>>127266014
Give her a better character design and make her less annoying? Or have the movie focus on more characters rather than just her?



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