Which Isekai show won?
>>126337718Amphibia But it survived because it’s so bland
>>126337718Amphibia, obviously. Anyone got any good Anne dabs?
>>126337718Sounds like none of them.
>>126338360But Infinity Trian died and came back from the dead.
all garbagegarbage garbage garbage garbage garbageWhy can't american animation be more like Primal and less like this crap?
>>126339297Primal is gay
>>126337718i think anne ssj killed amphibia foreverowl house have an entire filler season and it was utterly bland IT was killed by the exces but the one with the most potential answer is none
>>126337718Ducktales absolutely assblasted these shit shows in ratings quality and number of episodes
>>126337718Anne Ma'am slambammed Amphibia
>>126337718The one about a cute girl.
>>126337718Big city greens.
>>126340612Well, that definitely can't be the owl house.
>>126337718High Guardian Spice. At least that one can show blood.
>>126342527Wait what the fuck? Where does this gif come from?
>>126337718The one that is reaching its full conclusion
>>126337718Book 3 of Infinity Train is one of the worst things ever made (and the other seasons are either just okay or mediocre) while The Owl House is super lame, so Amphibia wins by being decent.
>>126337718Infinity Train, because it escaped being constantly compared to Amphibia or The Owl House since its second season
>>126343475What made Book 3 lame?
AmphibiaNo contestFatality Flawless Victory
>>126343256This is from the second trailer of High Guardian Spice here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y8zeoHBd6w&tIf you watch it, you'll notice its full of the shit everyone assumed HGS was going to be about. Dumb girls running around and getting into dumb and poorly animated scenarios, but then for no reason there's a scene where the MC fights bugs and cuts and stabs them while they're shooting blood everywhere.
>>126340929Speaking of which I fucking hate the character designs of the Bowel House. It’s all so ugly and uninspired.I prefer the Middle Ages look of Amphibia. I just wish the 3rd season didn’t take place in LA. Make it take place in SF or some small California town or whatever, fuck LA
>>126343544>wannabe edgy storyline told like shit where a cult leader is portrayed as the "good girl" and her brainwashed cult victim sidekick is portrayed as a horrendous monster for not instantly unlearning the bull that was fed to him for a decade>writers having a bias against him and rumored that one of the main writers projected her own exes unto him>tries to put too many plot threads and complex character arcs in ten 11 minute episodes, ending up as a mess that leaves no storyline with a satisfying ending>little girl who is one of the main characters gets turned into a plot point and gets a cliffhanger ending>zero focus on the train as a setting making the whole concept of the fucking show pointless >plot conveniences and contradictions up the ass>the worst ending to any season of the 3 shows on the OP>crew was so fragile they made a "cooldown season" in Book 4 to calm down over how "intense" book 3 was instead of going directly to adress the cliffhanger of the previously mentioned little girl, ending the show with that plot line never really answered It's so bad I want IT to stay dead. Let it be a lesson to showrunners everywhere to never do this shit again.
>>126343594That sounds awesomeNow I want to watch the showIt’s a pretty good idea for a show tooA magical girl show that’s full of violence where the main character is oblivious to the violence
>>126343728>>126343594if it gets all Madoka up the ass it will at least have something going for it.
>>126343636>Speaking of which I fucking hate the character designs of the Bowel House. It’s all so ugly and uninspired.Finally someone speaking the truth.The fucking brown color palette they use on everything is fucking disgusting and an eyesore.
>>126343747I think Madoka actually took it too far to take serious, but that's just me. That's not to say MM's bad, in fact I love the PSP game based on it. I just want HGS to be an honestly funny show, but its also not afraid to get violent as a way to say "Yeah, sometimes you need to fight and kill to help people".
>>126343715>crew was so fragile they made a "cooldown season" in Book 4 to calm down over how "intense" book 3 was instead of going directly to adress the cliffhanger of the previously mentioned little girl, ending the show with that plot line never really answeredImma be honest, this sounds like the shittiest thing I've ever heard a crew do, and I'm a fucking High Guardian Spice poster.
>>126337718None, they all got fucked overBut I do like Infinity Train the best
>>126343728I kinda just want Rose to be honestly heroic, but realistically so. Like, Aang from avatar is already the superior character, but I hated his "killing is wrong" schtick, and also hated how the entire series sort of bended to give him what he wanted. It would actually be refreshing if he killed the firelord, but did it because it was the right thing to do and not for some shocking suddenly gory moment.
>>126343636Season 2 got worse turning Amity's cute design into a danger hair dyke straight from tumblr
>>126343715What plot conveniences and contradictions? Genuine question, I agree with you, I’m just not sure what you’re talking about specifically
>>126343747Yeah, what if the whole thing was a trick? The whole "show SJWs advertising this thing so people think its going to be lame and low energy, but really its Berserk with cal arts girls?
>>126340929>>126343636What caused this retarded fan war between owl house and amphibia?
>>126344758tribe war shit, it also included infinity train at first but like what >>126343533 said it slowly just devolved into a shitfest between owl house and amphibia
>>126344802And it looks like Amph won the shitfest after all. TKO.
>>126337718None of themGlitch reigns supreme
>>126344758Amphibiafag hereI just don’t like it. Not that Frog Show doesn’t have flaws, but there’s hardly anything to like about the Witch Show. Which bothers because honestly the original idea and designs of Witch Show were SO MUCH BETTER. Fuck, why didn’t we get that show. But also the writing and the godawful pacing on Season 1 is what drags the show down.Nener nener nener Ya cant touch ma weiner
>>126343533>>126344802Thats because the third season took it out of the running
>>126342527The Owl House should just get a brutal final season like Samurai Jack had. I think that'd be a perfect send off for the show.
>>126344758Kek It’s one sided (just like amphibia fans did with IT and Hilda). Go into a frog thread and say “owl” once and they’ll sperg and shit their own threads with pure vitriol about the owl house. I don’t think owl fans acknowledge them unless frog fans go into their threads and force the “tribewar” meme.
>>126346378>Kek It’s one sidedI agree. One show's cancelled, the other isn't. That's extremely one sided, though none of you can compare to High Guardian Spice.
>>126346680>slicing >With a maceLolWho would wanna compare to braindead artists
>>126337718So far Infinity Train for concluding without controversy.
>>126337718>Infinity Train didn't get an ending>Owl House got a truncated ending>Amphibia's the only one with a real endingAmphibia by default
>>126346729Honestly, this is my favorite HGS clip because its so shameless. Why wouldn't you just animate him with a sword, or have him destroy the tentacle with the swing? Here's another weird gif though. Before, the bugs bled, but now they don't?
>>126343860>Creator said in B4 AMA that the thematic softness of the last season was to "Subvert Expectations™" after B3Owen, I hate with all my soul that one of my favorite stories (S2) has come from your terrible show and I promise you that one day I will piss on your grave.
>>126347617Holy shit, things always go bad when people start talking about that "subvert expectations" bullshit. Why do expectations always have to be subverted?! At this point "subverting expectations" is just a dog whistle for "I'm about to fuck the story up".
>>126344206>gohm randomly explodes after killing simon>simon getting a higher number in at most a few weeks than amelia did in 30 years>one-one never even acknowledging passengers tearing the train cars apart
>>126348816>one-one never even acknowledging passengers tearing the train cars apartI agree with the other points but I don't think that's a plot hole, in the grand scheme of infinity a few kids trashing some cars isn't that big of a worry especially since it was confirmed in the same season cars reset, whose to say once every last apex member leaves the mall car it wont suddenly reset and become untrashed
>>126348816Didn’t Simon actively try to get his shit higher
>>126349277He shouldn't be able to do nearly as much bad if he wanted too
>>126338522Yeah but Cartoon Network cancelled it for being too serialized lmao
They're ALL winners, and so are we.
Consider the following
>targeted kids above pseuds who like watching edgy/gay relationship therapy or alternative roasties who unironically refer to themselves as wicca while trying to reconcile their love of Harry Potter with their hatred of J.K Rowling >pitched as 3 season package with concrete beginning, middle and end so Matt could exit with grace instead of ranting on Twitter when the show gets cancelled or dropped Remember, prudence is the mother of all virtues. Unless you're dabbin' on 'em.
>>126340537>Popular = good
>>126337718Owl House, frogshow is shittily written.
>>126347788If you always do what's expected, that can get boring fast and then your stuff will be forgotten. If you always do the unexpected then even if it ends up being shit people will still talk about it because at least there's something to talk about.
>>126354856>targeted kids above pseuds who like watching edgy/gay relationship therapyHow do you explain Sasha then?
>>126349277on the one hand, the attempt of trap and then kill her best friend while Amelia did not seem to actively want to hurt someone at least, on the other Amelia had more than 30 years on the train.final verdict: probably a purely aesthetic decision for Simon breakdown
>>126337718>when you want to be in a western isekai but you have a penis instead of a vagina.harsh
>>126337718TOH will be the only one to stand the test of time. Frogfags will move on to the next Calarts style show because they're all interchangeable. And Infinity Train is just a trainwreck that is best left forgotten. TOH content will keep getting made because Luz and Amity are so cute and sexy.
>>126357750>TOH will be the only one to stand the test of time. Frogfags will move on to the next Calarts style show because they're all interchangeable. And Infinity Train is just a trainwreck that is best left forgotten. TOH content will keep getting made because Luz and Amity are so cute and sexy.Bitch please, people have already moved on to the next gay thing
>>126357579Western isekais need to be more progressive and have grown men being reborn as little girls.
>>126357396An angry white girl.
>>126354056This I can get behind
>>126357758>people have already moved on to the next gay thingYou mean Molly? It's not particularly gay and the creator hinted the most popular ship with Molly won't be canon. People will always return to Lumity since they're canon and dating now and will be even gayer in s2b.
>>126344206>Grace is saved by butterflies she helped last minute that were conveniently there when she fell down>Simon dies because he just happened to be at a point where the ghom were when it happenedPlus the whole Simon-Grace back and forth on Amelia ruins a lot of arguments that "they both had their chance" when Grace actively robbed two chances from Simon to learn from Amelia.>>126357323Simon is a loser too, but the writers who had it out for him are bigger losers
>>126357295>Popular = goodBut that's all Owl, Frog and Train fags argue about, which is most successful
>>126347617>Creator said in B4 AMA that the thematic softness of the last season was to "Subvert Expectations™" after B3But its not even doing it because Book 4 is moslty just the same as Books 1 and 2. Yeah, there are no brutal deaths, but so what? Are you telling me that some death scenes are what puts you apart from other seasons and not the mood and thematic narrative youre going for? Nobody died in Book 1 either, the dog just got turned into a cockroach for a couple of episodes and then got healed. And the people who died in Book 2 were villains. Its such a stupid argument, its not any different than Books 1 or 2.
>>126357750>people wont remember shows with actual story and characters, but they will remember the show with the gays because the lesbians are cuteAnon you could say this about SU, She-Ra and all the other queer cartoons out there. All of them which have been tossed aside and forgotten in favor of owl house, for being the newest lesbian trend. And that means the next one that shows up will steal its spotlight.
>>126358269>You mean Molly? It's not particularly gay and the creator hinted the most popular ship with Molly won't be canon.Ok, so you're one of those anons. Figures since you're a Lumity fag. Let me remind you>animatic features a song about Libby that has the aesthetic of a love song>directed by Sam King, the one who wanted to make Penumbra a lesbian, and who claims Molly does the queer stuff better than Ducktales>Creator only said that characters were not blushing in a scene where they not blushing, never that the two girls would never be gay>confirmed LGBQT representation of some kindPeople will move on from Lumity like they moved on from every other gay ship thats just a trend. Maybe not as much as Catradora due to it not being insanely toxic and abusive, but they have 2B and "season" 3 to fuck it up
>>126354856>>pitched as 3 season package with concrete beginning, middle and end so Matt could exit with grace instead of ranting on Twitter when the show gets cancelled or droppedyeah, so about that...
>>126358356Counterpoint, SU and She-Ra had stuff other than gays
>>126358316>Amelia ruins a lot of arguments that "they both had their chance" when Grace actively robbed two chances from Simon to learn from Amelia.If the IT cancellation did one thing is that more fans outside of /co/ are coming to that same realization
>>126358423>Counterpoint, SU and She-Ra had stuff other than gaysI can admit SU had other stuff besides gays, but most of that stuff is shit.She-Ra didnt. Thats literally the entire conversation about it now that its done, its just Catradora. People dont talk about other characters or storylines unless they relate to the queer rep. At best people say Entrapta is cute, but thats about it. The entire reputation of She-Ra now is "that one show with an enemy to lovers relationship you either love or think is super abusive", not as an adventure show filled with great characters and good stories. Its just Catradora over, and over again in any discussion. No shit the Amazon adaptation isnt gonna have anything to do with it.
>>126358444>If the IT cancellation did one thing is that more fans outside of /co/ are coming to that same realizationFor real? Any evidence of that? That's nice to hear.
>>126358581Its all small comments here and there
>>126358722nice.Also, the second comment is such a mess, it's like a person trying to struggle with the slow realization the story they like so much is flawed as hell
>>126358722>Prioritize Simon over a literal childYeah no
>>126359882>>126359872Anne is really more Jesse
>>126358817was worthless anyways since Simon didn't even end up doing anything to Hazel.
>>126359872>>126359882I guess Simon in the hands of writers without bias due to their exes could have had a better arc.
>>126359933Sasha’s arc is kinda shit so farIt’s been two days in universe and she’s been flip flopping all over
>>126357542>Amelia did not seem to actively want to hurt someone>tries to kill Tulip several times>tries to kill many denizens in her attempt to trap Tulip>tries to kill the CatAmelia defense forces' memories are short, very short.
>>126357750>>126358388NTA. I think there's only one thing that TOH will leave a mark with and that's the name 'Lumity'. It's so well-known within the cartoon "field" that whenever a new prominent lesbian couple gets introduced, the first thought will be "Oh, it's Lumity 2.0". Since, TOH is popular than Legend of Korra and She-Ra.
>>126359909And Ryan is more like Marcy than Anne, right down to dragging their friends into magical hostile realms
>>126360180Has Amelia ever once said sorry in the entire show?
>>126339297they hated him because he spoke the truth
>>126342527How the fuck did it come to this?
>>126360795>Has Amelia ever once said sorry in the entire show?Nope.
>>126337718Have to see the endings before you can actually judge them. But so far I'd say Amphibia. Owl House had some major improvements between seasons, and Infinity Train had a great premise, but Amphibia just feels like the fullest story, taking more time with the distinct flaws and character arcs of the three main girls. It helps knowing that it was always planned as a three part structure though, while the other two are being cut short.
>>126360180not an ameliafag, that said>tries to kill Tulip multiple timesthat was to get One-One and only that, She doesn't attack Tulip perse, she just turns Atticus into a fucking soul eater, plus a literal no one is not the same as your best friend> tries to kill many inhabitants in his attempt to catch Tulip> try to kill the catRemember when Book 2 was "oh wait, they aren't just NPCs, you racist piece of shit" but Book 4 and the steward come with the "syke, they are code haha", they basically throw away all Lake's story, but hey at least technically and with someone as autistic as Amelia I can see that she's not sad about experiment or killing on denizenand yeah the bitch should apologize
>>126361722I get it. I don't hate Amelia; it's clear that she values her goals over anyone and everything else. Could there have been another way to get One-One from Tulip? Could Amelia have just talked to Tulip? Maybe. But we don't see it because Amelia doesn't consider other people. Two of the things she did to Tulip: i.e. using the Cat to trap her in her own tape and trapping her with a ghom are things that can kill and will kill you if one references Book 3. Those were legit murder attempts. >Remember when Book 2 was "oh wait, they aren't just NPCs, you racist piece of shit" but Book 4 and the steward come with the "syke, they are code haha", they basically throw away all Lake's story, but hey at least technically and with someone as autistic as Amelia I can see that she's not sad about experiment or killing on denizenYeah that was bullshit and doesn't make me feel good about the Hazel situation.
>>126343475>WAAAAAAH SIMON DIED>WAAAAAAH IT’S “WOKE”
>>126362010That is why you must consider Amelia's context to understand her actions, she was probably a genius with some degree of autism (or at least it would be preferable to think because otherwise she is the most selfish bicth in existence and should be treated as such ) that obviously tied to someone for being maybe the only person who was with her in some meaningful way and obviously went into a spiral of not wanting to accept the change, and that's the why of putting Tulip on her tape and relives the happy moments of her life was a gift and then she is offended by thinking that it is better to move on (maybe writers never said shit), and literally recreate her life in hypervirtualreality. BUT that only serves to understand her decisions and under no circumstances would it serve to justify them, she ruined the life of God knows how many people and she never apologized or tried to do something besides clean her garbage. I don't forgive Simon for being a canonical clinical narcissist, I won't do it with a snappy dresser>Yeah that was bullshit and doesn't make me feel good about the Hazel situation.>wecouldntprotecthersmile.png
>>126346119Granted, it takes place five years after cancelation and its centered around an oc character
>>126354338Biggest loser of all since it didn't even make it past one season. Also pedobait
>>126346909Is this show parody
>>126337718For me Amphibia won, with infinity train coming in to being almost as good. I like the writing infinity train has going for it, its almost like twilight zone-esque but instead of per episode its per season. I just had more fun watching Amphibia, reaction images and fanart are cuter and funnier and its never really disappointed me.Owl house wasnt horrible but Im not going to say it was well written. Lots and lots of bad writing, not even a /pol/fag but Lumity was ham fisted in and made super in your face. Characters dont need to constantly blush at eachother for us to get the memo that they have a crush. This just does the opposite of what they want when they try to normalize it they just make it super fetishy feeling. The only episode that I really liked was the one where Hooty thinks hes ruining everyones days but hes actually making it better. It has some good sakuga though that feels appropriate, unlike Amphibia where it just felt kind of weightless and sudden/jerky.
>>126362035>strawmanpathetic book 3 fans
>>126359972better to flip all over than being thrown under the bus cause you reminded one writer of their ex
>>126362010>>126361722>>126362480Theres also the issue that the show demonizes Simon yet wants us to like Samantha and Amelia. Characters who A) are responsible for what Simon ended up being (the cat more than amelia) and B) who are arguably worse than him.I'm not gonna follow any show that wants me to simp for the buff gilf who traumatized a child out of spite and whose actions lead to a lord of the flies cult being formed (a cult she met and gave no fucks about, leaving without owning any responsibility), but wants me to hate a mentally ill cult victim.
>>126358817>prioritize your best friend over a creature that is worthless according to your internal logicNah yes
The one that didn't get cancelled and will get to finish it's story completely without any rushing. Amphibia was smart waiting for their final season to get dark/edgy and test disneys limits.
Infinity Train Book 2>=Amphibia season 1>infinity train>amphibia season 2>the owl house season 2>the owl house season 1>infinity train book 3
>>126365221>prioritize your best friend over a creature that is worthless according to your internal logicThe train is very insidious, and it knew what it was doing. One theory I read here is that human looking denizens are next to nonexistent on the train. Lake was an anomaly, but Hazel is something that no one expected. Even Amelia was shocked that Hazel existed, and Tuba and the Cat thought she was a real girl too. The only thing that could get to Grace was something that looked and acted like a human. And what's more Hazel appeared to be a lost, lonely little girl whom Grace could bond with and imprint on. It was the perfect setup...for Grace. Simon only got the Cat, which was the worst thing the train could foster upon him. Again.
>>126337718Not your favorite
>>126365539Isn't the mirror universe confirmed a whole separate thing from the train
>>126368856Why would Andrias be impressed
>>126369758The fact a human can cobble together a mech from alien components that they barely understand should worry the newt with a robotic army
>>126365482I would say Amphibia season 2 is better than books 1 and 4 of IT. Those are so forgettable.
I haven’t really watched Amphibia, just loosely follow the plot second hand. But I liked those threads we had that looked at these isekai shows from a true crime type perspective on how the parents would deal with their children going missing.Outside of fanfic, Infinity Train for the most part just avoids going into it by not showing a lot of what goes on with the real world and the families, and Owl House ended up making an excuse where Luz never had to go missing because she was replaced by a shapeshifter.But now that Anne’s apparently back on Earth, how is Amphibia dealing with the fact that three girls went missing for like a couple months and then one of them just turned up again? Was there a detective on Anne’s missing person case that she had to give some kinda excuse to? How are Sasha and Marcy’s parents holding up?
>>126371500>But I liked those threads we had that looked at these isekai shows from a true crime type perspective on how the parents would deal with their children going missing.The suffering when the moms get isekaid themselves but end up in the wrong dimensions to where their daughters are at
>>126371500man I miss those threads
>>126364635Who gives a shit? Are you this buttmad about a fictional character?
>>126358316Yeah the ending was fucking retarded. It would have been better if Grace had died and Simon was left to rule over a dying kingdom, as kids begin to defect and over the course of time Simon comes to realize what hes done. I like Simon too btw, but that doesnt mean hes absolved of all guilt. Grace really deserved worse.