>remember almost every moment from this movie>still laugh my ass off every time i watch it
>>126324830This was the kino era where they actually tried new shit.
>>126324830The Emperors New Groove was so fucking good. The writers for that movie better have been given a raise or something cause there's nothing like it.
>>126324830>>126324890https://youtu.be/L5SS8ExxRP8https://youtu.be/kvznYJEFh1wamazing intro songs
>>126325050Ratatouille perfected the formula
>>126325332There never should've been a formula in the first place.
>>126325050If you ever watch The Sweatbox, by the time the movie came out, most people who worked on it were a bit disheartened because they had to throw out so much of their original work with a more serious tone to it. One of the lead animators for Yzma talks about how he was excited to animate his favorite archetype: An evil diva lady who loves herself with a voodoo flair. When final version of Yzma turned into a slapstick diva with severe anger issues and they had to toss all his animations, he pretty much stopped showing up for interviews for the documentary. Even Eartha Kitt said she preferred original Yzma because she was more serious.It's actually fascinating how much of the crew have negative feelings about the movie when it was released and became a cult classic.
2000s Disney was the last breath of quality from it's bloated corpse. Weekenders, Dave the Barbarian, emperors new school, lilo and stitch, all bangers that still hold up as kids shows
>>126325565im surprised we haven't got contrarian enough to say kingdom of the sun would have been a better film than Emperor's new groove
I love this movie.
>>126326332man I remember the Lilo and Stitch seriesI loved it
>>126325565True and don't forget the song Yzma was going to sing. But all in all this movie was top notch in a lot of comedic ways. Yeah it wasn't as serious as the original story but it was great none the less.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA
I love the restaurant scene where they waitress says "Mazeltof".
>"...How did we get here before them, Kronk?">"Well ya got me. By all accounts it doesn't make sense."
>>126327215And the OP slapped toohttps://youtu.be/WREobnmYO4M
>>126326332I can hear the picture you posted. Get out of my head
>>126327503YepI think that show is why I am obsessed with monsters/magic creature designs and multiple to catalog
>>126327503To this day I don’t know what of that is alien speech and what’s Hawaiian.
>>126324890>kino film>kino animation>kino video gamesHow did the generation that grew up with this stuff turn it into such a shit show?
>>126324830I'm so happy you can still enjoy things OP unlike 90% of this board
>>126324830Kingdom of The Sun getting shafted for this crap full of reddit tier humor is the greatest tragedy in animation history>b-but I laughed when the guy said funny pop culture referenceKYS
>>126324830>Tfw realize Yzma was actúa the victim here
>>126328841Here, I'll bring some misery to this thread: this movie wouldn't be the same if it was made today. It would be CG. Spade, Goodman and Warburton wouldn't be in it because of the colour of their skin. It would probably be marketed as some sort of social statement rather than a fun movie.
Does it age better than Road to El Dorado?
>>126327503anon, dinosaurs aren't allowed to roam the earth anymore. why did you post that picture
>>126329074Well I guess I was wrong.
>>126329096Man, why do I keep forgetting to rewatch El Dorado? To answer your question though, they both aged really well. Its just that El Dorado was made with the expectation of getting a sequel at some point.
>>126324830Kronk and Yzma were absolute highlights of the moviehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcKGw-IO5Uc
>>126324890Wasn't L&S Disney's attempt to capitalize on The Iron Giant? I think I read that somewhere. Not that it matters. That's how the industry works. But which did it better?
>>126325373Formulas work. Breaking formulas works, if you know how the formula works.That's not to say you can't come up with something else that works, but then you've created a new formula.
>>126329109I wanted people to feel the same thing I did when I saw it. Which is oh man this'll be great to shitpost with
>>126329179>oh right, the bait>the bait for anon
>>126324830only comedy I like more is Super Troopers.
>>126324830I thought it was overrated,
>>126331483>overratedIt is hardly talked about outside animation circles.
>>126327503Admit it you'd bang Yzma just for Eartha Kitt's voice.
>>126329202Both kino but Iron Giant is kinoer
>>126334495Take your shitty buzzword back to /tv/ where it belongs.
>>126336265Back to Twitter with you.
>>126324830>be me>watch trailer for the movie when it first came out>at one point Yzma lifts her dress up and tells Kuzco and Pacha "I bet you weren't expecting this...">Kuzco and Pacha both act horrified and disgusted>Yzma then further lifts her dress to reveal a dagger to kill them with>Kuzco and Pacha both breathe a sign of reliefI laughed my fucking ass off when I first saw that, and I knew immediately the movie would be an instant classic
>>126326332Disney TVA Post Phineas and Ferb has been quality stuff as well.
>>126325565Also Sting wrote a whole soundtrack for a movie with no plot and then they wound up using hardly any of the songs he wrote.Is The Sweatbox the same as the Emperor of the Sun documentary? I think I saw one or the other.
>>126325565It's very fascinating although I think Disney made the right choice. Considering it spawned a DTV Spin Off, Animated Series and has become a cult classic. Kingdom of the Sun while interesting I think would have been quickly forgotten.
>>126324830Same. I know it by heart. My fav Disney movie
>>126329132Emperor's New Groove was meant to be a one and one thing especially after it made only $169.6 million on a budget of $100 Million. However it became the Top Selling Home Video Release of 2001 making $125 Million in total VHS and DVD Sales. Its 2002 broadcast premiere on Disney Channel also ranked first in its time period with a viewership that included 1.3 million children between the ages of 6 and 11 and 1.2 million tweens between the ages of 9 and 14. Reruns of the film over the next three years continued to draw large viewing figures and rank first in the ratings. When shown on Toon Disney, The Emperor's New Groove increased the channel's audience share for the time slot by 125 percent. This Tremendous post Box Office success led to Dosney commissioning the DTV Spin-off Kronk's New Groove and The Emperor's New School TV Series.
>>126324830I give Michael Eisner credit in that he threw everything against the wall to see what would stick. I'd rather have a guy who takes chances and makes interesting failures than the bland soulless slop Iger and Chapek push out.
anyone played this gem
>>126338729This game was awesome. Probably the first "meta" game I ever played
>>126325565Kingdom of the sun sounded great, and the emperor's new groove was great, but honestly its hard to disagree that there were just too many plotlines going on at the same time in the 'kingdom of the sun' version and things would likely wind up messy if they went that route.>'prince and the pauper' plot with kuzco and the peasant>yzma trying to destroy the sun by invoking an ancient dark god>some romance plot between kuzco and a peasant girl>kuzco being turned into a llamaStill, i'm sure that with a little more polish it would have been a fantastic movie. I'm glad that at least some of it was preserved with the sweatbox and the soundtrack release.
>>126338582It was so successful despite Disney not wanting or expecting it to be that they were forced to make the shitty sequel and TV show to support the massive fanbase? Why didn't Disney build any badass Emperor's New Groove rides in their parks?
>>126329202It was Chris Sanders getting to revive a kids book idea he had in the 80s after Mulan did so well.
>>126325565>how much of the crew have negative feelings about the movieThey're overly attached to the Disney formula. It was just not coming together with Kingdom of the Sun, the executives sensed it right. I definitely wouldn't mind another jab at a more epic tale set in the Andes but what came out of this whole mess is nothing short of a miracle, especially if you know how animated movie production works.
>>126338729>Cheap movie tie-in.>Developers inject their heart and soul into it anyway.>Feels more like a canon product than the sequel or series.To this day I still long for a ||Kingdom Hearts world that reuses some of the OST, has Kuzco as a party member who shouts "Llama coming through!" as he charges enemies, and a keyblade with a pan flute as the teeth. They could've even called the world Kingdom of the Sun as a cute reference.[/spoiler]
>>126339872>||You are not on Discord.
>>126338729Comfy af and great soundtrack.
>>126338729unironically fantastic osthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMcv0ZXJ-fQ
>>126339149I have no idea. And I have no idea why there aren't Any Phineas and Ferb, Gravity Falls, Amphibia, Owl House, Big City Greens rides/attractions either.
>>126338226Got any examples? Not calling out I just don't know. P&F was pretty good for what it was though, really creative and genuinely funny bits. Clean comedy doesn't get enough credit for being funny without the usual crutches.
>>126338729>expect it to be shovelware-tier>fantastic music>great graphics for the time>good controls>good level design outside of the river section>writing almost as funny as the movie itself ("this scene was much shorter in the movie" is one of my fav quotes in the game) >rather easy and the 100% reward isn't good but still a good timeWas pleased by how good the game was, it should have been almost as popular as PS1 Toy Story 2.
>>126325290Watching Lilo for the first time as an adult fucked me up. I knew it was a sad film but god damn.
>>126339887I wish I was on MSN messenger.
>>126325565If Deja hadn't left production of Emperor's New Groove, he wouldn't have been able to animate Lilo, so even though we didn't get Kingdom of the Sun it was a decent tradeoff.
>>126340457I wish I was on ICQ.
The ring bell sound before Pacha and Kuzco start fighting on the bridge cracks me up for whatever reason.
>>126341866>Tema: El Mundo Es Perfecto>Interprete: Óscar D'León.>Compositor: Gaby Cárdenas, Walterio Pesqueira y Renato López.
>>126329244>You must know the rules to break the rules
>>126341866Someone should really do a Quechuan fandub.
>>126324830>>126325565>>126339691I've said this before but it bears repeating: Emperor's New Groove is an instance where the executives were right. Reworking the film into something more deliberately comedic stopped it from being a another generic fairytale with annoying side characters.
>>126343496>is an instance where the executives were right.I'm convinced there are a SHIT TON of moments where the executive is right. But we don't notice them because people don't actually ask, "What went right?" except 4channers with template threads. It's easier to notice the, "What went wrong?" moments with things like Suicide Squad. There are so many good movies out there and very few theatrical released ones give the director full control, that there has to be an actually high percent (I'm talking like, 70% success rate) of executives making good calls out there. We also know that Zootopia was one of them.
>>126325565the problem with KOTS was that it was another rethread of a classic children's tale(Prince and the Pauper) and also too ambitious and bloated for a feature length film, while it did sound interesting I doubt the final product would've turned out as good as ENG
>>126325565>https://www.vulture.com/article/an-oral-history-of-disney-the-emperors-new-groove.htmlAnother in-depth article chronicling production anecdotes right here, definitely worth a read.
>>126343770>There are so many good movies out there and very few theatrical released ones give the director full control, that there has to be an actually high percent (I'm talking like, 70% success rate) of executives making good calls out there. We also know that Zootopia was one of them.I don't doubt that at all. Hearing the original ideas for Star Wars, Pokemon, and Ben 10 can make you realize that franchises have overseeing executives for a good reason. Creative people need professional filters for their bad ideas.
>>126343770>>126343974If you ever read leaked original scripts, you can see that the creative pool is closer to the content and variety of novels with similarly low quality. Executives kill some good ideas, but most of what doesn't make it through revisions is generic and laden with all the wrong tropes.
>>126343496The fact they ran with the titular character being more of an asshole than the antagonist for most of the movie was a pretty bold move all things considered. It's a more daring movie despite being a comedy.
I’m impressed by the fact the protagonist was such an egomaniac and yet managed to still be likable despite all his negative traits.I’m working on making a protagonist that’s egocentric and vain but still has redeeming qualities to him, and the balance they were able to find with Kuzco is mindblowing
>>126324830Gotta love how this movie came out only 5 months before Shrek. Truly some of the most enjoyable and quotable animation comedies ever
>>126343915>Reynolds: I remember someone said, “Well, we don’t really need that character.” And I go, “Wait, the guy next to Yzma? Yeah, no, his name’s Kronk. Chris calls him Kronk. And I think he could be really funny.” They go, “Yeah, we don’t think we need him.” I said through desperation, “Let me write a scene and let’s just see.” I have no clue what he could do, or any attributes other than what we just saw in that one scene where he shows his abs, which is not going in the movie. I just have a voice in my head and the look of the guy. Somehow, we just came up with the idea: “Let’s just write a dinner party scene. The dinner party scene where he poisons Kuzco.”>Reynolds: I go home and I’m sitting there. I start with Yzma. You find a line to get you in, and hopefully the rest will come. I go, “Is everything ready for tonight?” And then I go, “I think we’ll start with soup and a light salad, see how we feel after that.” And I just thought, Holy shit! It’s all about the dinner [not the poison] for him. I give it to Mark, he’s laughing, takes one little couplet out, gives it to Chris Williams. Chris Williams boards it, he adds the little bit at the end about dessert and coffee — because again, we’re all on the same comedy mind-set. A week later, we pitch it to Tom and Peter, and they are laughing. Peter Schneider goes, “Oh my God, he’s worried about the dinner?” At the end of it, Tom Schumacher turns to me and goes, “Looks like you saved your character.”Holy based, Kronk was hanging by a thread.
>Don't tell me. We're about to go over a huge waterfall.>Yep.>Sharp rocks at the bottom?>Most likely.>Bring it on.
>>126346614Kuzco is such a chad.
>>126334433>>126339872>Kuzco as a party member who shouts "Llama coming through!" Too based
>>126343770Ridley Scott is the only director who should ever be given full creative control. Everyone else needs heavy executive meddling to produce watchable films.
>>126344211It's true! Yzma and Krunk were portrayed like the protagonists despite being evil. This might be the first time Disney ever did that.
>>126345294>I’m impressed by the fact the protagonist was such an egomaniac and yet managed to still be likable despite all his negative traits.because he's funny, didn't go overboard with it , got his comeuppance after being a dick and managed to leave his negative traits aside for the sake of being a human again
>>126325565the original yzma seems so boring and feminist. good thing they made her a joke.
>>126339149Oh I can tell you why. This was 2001, right after two giant disasters for disney parks: Animal Kingdom and Disney's California Adventure.Animal Kingdom is fucking amazing but didn't bring in the numbers that executives wanted so they more or less shelved it and didn't introduce anything new except for the yeti ride already in production for like 15 years. Disney's California Adventure was a fucking stain on the brand after it came out and disney spent a LOT of money fixing up the place.The 2000's were a really bad time for the disney parks. This is also the era where Journey Into Imagination lost its sponsor, so they gutted it and made a ride about the senses in its place, which was so hated they slapdashedly put figment back in like a year later to placate people... except this version is still hated 20 years later and parks fans STILL want the original version back.
>>126327811Jews, either they make the best things to watch or the worst, right now it's the latter so we have to watch stuff from the far-eastern kikes instead.
>>126325565>>126325050>>126343915They could've tweaked the original Kingdom of the Son and release it as a "more serious" sequel to TENG, though Disney probably wouldn't want that considering how Atlantis and Treasure Planet flopped.
>>126347343I like that at the end they still kept his prideful demeanor instead of turning full goody two-shoes.
>>126345294>>126347343In the original ending, Kuzco would've demolished a rainforest to build his waterpark, implying he didn't learn his lesson and just went from picking on villagers to picking on wildlife. Sting sent a letter to the executives saying he would resign from the project if they didn't change the ending; surprisingly they listened to him and changed it.
One of rare moments when disney makes actually not normie shit content and something very good
>>126329179Patrick Warburton is an absolute delight in everything he does.
>>126347162he yells it even when you get to play with him as a human in the revisit/post-game
>>126329179Funny how Patrick Warburton went from bit player Puddy on Seinfeld to animation's favorite "big and dumb" voice actor.
>>126347864Wasn't Sting pretty much done with the project anyway? He just sent the letter not knowing if they would even consider his opinion on the matter, but upon reading it, Roy Disney and the rest thought it was totally logical and immediately approved.
>>126338729Always had to get my dad to do the panther chase level for me because my tiny hands couldn't press the button fast enough
>>126347200Your example of a director who's never made a mistake is Ridley Scott?
>>126324830This movie has one the best Latin American Spanish dubs ever.
>>126340216Lilo and Stitch deals with a lot of adult fears that younger viewers won't really be able to fully grasp. Things like the struggle for steady employment, overwhelming debt, the crippling weight of responsibility you weren't ready for, the loss of family not only from death but simply an inability to meaningfully connect, all very true-to-life traumas going on in the background of a fuzzy blue alien hitting people with volkswagens and learning to hula. It's one of those kid's films that actually gets more meaningful the older you get.
>>126324830wife and I are gonna be pic related for Halloween. Any tips anons?
>>126349884You go as Yzma, she goes as Kronk.
>>126349884Make sure to have her say, "Wrong hole, Kronk!" when you put it in her ass.
>>126338729fucking supurb musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLg-c2iht-I&ab_channel=YouAllSuck5000https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y16jfYgBLsQ&ab_channel=Cristinaloverdehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMcv0ZXJ-fQ&ab_channel=Cristinaloverde
>>126350030the coaster levels were so damn fun
>>126325565Groove DOES have cheaper looking animation than its predecessors (but it's Disney so it's still solid), so I can understand why the animators would be pissed. The aesthetic fits the script though.Kingdom of the Sun would have probably been the reverse where it looked very nice but had a weak script.
>>126345294You can be an asshole as long as you pay for your mistakes. Kuzco went from emperor to a llama who nearly died more than once.
>>126351022I actually rewatched the movie a couple of days ago and thought to myself how much I loved the flat, wide shots the film used and the pure focus on character animation. I can tell that when compared to like, Notre Dame, it's "cheaper", but they really allowed the animators to let loose with just going crazy with facial cues and acting. They didn't have to focus on the technical aspect of having a 3D sweeping shot with Belle and Beast dancing utilizing new CG technology to craft the background; they just got to be classic "acting" animators. It reminded me of how Lilo and Stitch is just a lot of basic perspective shots that put big emphasis on character acting instead of large production value (Like say, the tree in Pocahontas which had a team of five people per shot just to work on). It pays off because there are so many subtle ticks and cues the animators get to do that really match the voice actors performances.
>>126326956that's because the plot was leaked and it's a huge mess, filled with too many characters and subplots to make it work.
Never got it and I'm peruvian
>>126347864Based sting saved the movie!
I consider it a classic
>>126350030I never played the game cause I figured it was another cash grab but hearing these tracks makes me really want to look at this game now
>>126349234I think it's more Ridley Scott is their example of a director whose unmodulated creative vision is still marketable
>>126324890lelo was such a fuckin cunt
>>126325565Not sure why they're surprised. I can't imagine a professional animator not being used to very developed projects being cancel/reworked. It comes with the territory. Disney did this all the time.
>>126329096Road did not age well at all and outside of a few scenes and Chell there’s not a lot to get out of it. Prince of Egypt on the other hand has aged incredibly well apart from the ‘Big Boys’ number
Aside from the obvious visual gags and tone, it's really the extremely clever writing that sealed this film as an instant classic. There's not a moment that feels out of place and the flow of events and emotional payoff are perfect. It's the parts of a film that hard to quantify but I think the comedic rework ended up creating a more intelligent film than what Kingdom of the Sun would have attempted to be.
>>126324830I been asking a Loud House Movie request based on a scene from The Emperor's New Groove.>>126306747
>>126353252You never become completely detached to it, though. It's like how a comedian still gets butterflies in their stomach right before they step on stage, even if they have decades of experience.
this is still one of the funniest scenes in Disney history.
>>126324830that movie has aged like fucking wine and is highly quotable to the point of having multiple memes made using it.
>>126339368We're they aware of how much of a coomer Sanders was? I mean he's amazingly talented but god damn dude, calm down before you suffer a stiffy-induced heart attack.
>>126353762Imagine the shit he doesn't show off.
>>126324830As a young boy, being an emperor sounded cooler than being a king or prince to me and strived to be one
>>126324830I haven't watched this movie in like 15 years, should i?
Do you think Kuzco is a virgin? Do you think Yzma would've had him covered in Aztec pussy every weekend? You think they got drunk once and fucked?
>>126354183He finds Yzma repulsive and probably rejected every single girl that could be his fiancee.
>>126354352When they were drunk, she could've looked younger, hell she could have a temp. youth potion lyin' around.>rejected every single girl that could be his fianceeTheres a difference between gettin' married and bustin' anut, mang.
>>126324830>The year 2000 was so based.
>>126354183Although his station would afford him many a woman to satisfy his desires, I can totally picture him ultimately not wanting to be touched and just masturbating in front of a mirror.
Don't drink the wine. Poison!
>>126343770Kickstarter actually proved this. Creators would almost always go overboard with retarded ideas if suits weren't there to reel them in.
>>126324830It was funny itself but all the movies that wanted a slice of its success and tried to emulate its humour soullessly made me retroactively dislike it somewhat
>>126356693Imagine blaming a movie for things completely beyond its control. Who even tried emulating it? Shrek spawned way more bad imitations.
>>126354849Hmm, yeah I could see it.Just him and a guy with a bowl, in the corner.
>>126324830this movie was ok but fuck it because normalfags had to elevate it to epic meme status
>>126354589The last good full 365 days before everything turned to shit in September 2001.
but seriously, why did Yzma had another lever?
>>126340216>mfw being old enough to realise that Lilo feeding that fish isn't just your typical quirky Disney princess thing, but actually her coping mechanism stemming from the fact that her parents car crash happened due to bad weather
>>126359765Obviously a trap meant in case someone else tried to access her secret lair. A 50/50 shot of getting them is pretty good for a trap.
>>126359765The lever gag was hilarious. Yzma and Krunk make the best team. Is Krunk's New Groove any good? Does it have all the same VAs as episode 1?
>>126362001>is kronk new groove any goodit's the perfect example of a soulless sequel.
>>126362098I love the Earth, Wind, and Fire songs, though.
>>126347864>implying he didn't learn his lesson and just went from picking on villagers to picking on wildlife.huahuhauh to be honest this is kind of hilarious considering the shit he went throught on the movie
>>126349931wtf I ship Yzma and Kronk now
>>126324830>So you turned me into a LLAMA!