who would win in a fight
Batman, like in what way does cao even stand a chance?
>>124590840Batman probably, Cap is strong but Batman has more hand to hand techniques, not to mention his gadgets
>>124590860sweety...cap is quite strong
>>124590840Batman admits that Cap has the advantage but it could go either way.
>>124590840Probably. Comics Cap is just peak human. Batman beats dudes with much more power regularly
>>124590840Cap is a much better fighter and has superpowers, but Batgod would win for plot armour reasons. But I think Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva would be able to beat Cap, like they do Batman.
>>124590919damn, Shiva usually beats bat? didn't realise she was so strong
>>124590915>Comics Cap is just peak humanhasn't been a thing for over 2 decades. >>124590867
>>124590928Shiva is the top fighter in all of DC, well I'd say tied with Richard Dragon. Yes, she kicks Batman's ass.
There is no such thing as Capwank, so sadly Batman wins even if he shouldn’t.
>>124590840Cap would. That was Batman's assessment the one time they fought.
Logically, Cap, if written as a comic, stalemate, because Batman can't be allowed to lose in a crossover even when he should.
>>124590840Batman simply because he is more popular so the writers would write it that way. If you mean irl, obviously a supersoldier would beat a rich natty detective.
>>124590919>Cap is a much better fighterNo. He may be a better fighter, but literally nobody is a "much" better fighter than Batman.>>124590927She's not, it's just that fighting is the only thing she ever does or cares about. Plus: no secret identity and no detective stuff and also no no-killing rule.
>>124591021You are such a twit. Why don't you know anything?He's not just a rich natty detective.He is the spiritual son of a transcedental hyperdemonic entity created to destroy evil and corruption. He is the echo of the ultimate hunter in the dark. He has stared down Darkseid in his own lair.A boyscout on steroids is hardly a match for that.
>>124590867>guys lifting weights>girl posing with her ass outAh, the good ol' days.
>>124590947Reminder that she jobbed to Prometheus and got impaled on a hook by Cass.
>>124591027>She's not, it's just that fighting is the only thing she ever does or cares about.She really is better than Batman, Karate Kid and Richard Dragon are as well, Bronze Tiger is about on his level but without gadgets I'd say even Tiger takes Batman.
>>124590840Batman wins, and quite easily desu. It would be a long fight but it wouldn't necessarily be a stressful one for him.Yes Cap is strong but not enough for him to compensate for his lack of fighting ability. Batman's mastery in martial arts and acrobatics are way more of an advantage compared to a bit of brute strength. In the end it will come down to hand to hand combat and Batman wins those. Don't think Cap can even touch him desu.
>>124591124Cap's physically better than Batman at everything, not just strength, not by a huge amount, but enough to make note of it.
>>124591185Cap's mental powers were enhances as well, his senses are peak human, his decision making and tactics are peak as well
>>124591209That, too, but I just wanted to clarify that the advantage wasn't just strength.
>>124591124> It would be a long fightLol no, Batman regularly fights enhanced humans, the only tricky aspect is the shield.
>>124591254>Batman regularly fights enhanced humansas does Cap. What the hell is this comment supposed to mean?
>>124590840As always: whoever the writer wants - or editorial mandates.
>>124590840I'm a massive DCfag and Batfag but Steve would mop the floor with him and make him cry mommy.
>>124590947>Shiva is the top fighter in all of DC, well I'd say tied with Richard Dragon.shiva third, dragon second, karate kid first
>>124590869>it's conceivable... but not likely.
>>124591274>What the hell is this comment supposed to mean?I believe that Batman is more talented in all aspects, and has more direct experience bridging huge power gaps. The gulf between him and Captain America in terms of strength is massively overshadowed by Batman's tools, talent, and experience.
>>124591282Except when they actually crossed over, Batman lured Steve into the sewers, swiftly beat Steve senseless then saved him from drowning in Poo-Water anyway from the kindness of his heart.Batman wins.
>>124591311No fuck off, that's non canon garbage with results decided by fan votes.
>>124590840Bruce would win. Not a knock on Steve, just the way it'll go.
>>124591328I'm compensated by the fact that MCU Steve would absolutely destroy every cinematic/live Batman that ever existed or will exist.
>>124591324All the crossovers are “noncanon” to DC by that metric, dumbass. Amagalm alone has already been designated as DC Earth-496, Earth-9602 and Earth-692
>>124591282Batman has beaten people with bigger physical strength and speed than Cap, on top of having a wide array of gadgets which can be harmful to metahumans let alone a peak human. He is also a more knowledgeable combatant in general.
>>124591337That's a better argument, albeit still debatable. Steve is my favorite core avenger so I'm not biased against him, but having read a lot from both, I just view Batman as more capable comparatively.You can call it batwank if you'd like, that's also a fair point.I think a more common misconception is that Nightwing would beat Daredevil.
>>124591346He has never beaten anyone on the level of Cap.
>>124591337He probably would in melee, though that probably shifts if we allow stuff like the tumbler/batwing
>>124591346>Batman has beaten people with bigger physical strength and speed than CapSame is true for Cap, he's beaten people much stronger and faster than himself.>on top of having a wide array of gadgets which can be harmful to metahumans let alone a peak human.Cap has fought Hydra super-science, brilliant tech-villains (and heroes) he's not going to be undone by a gas grenade or tazer.>He is also a more knowledgeable combatant in general.Highly debatable, Cap has fought super-Nazis in open World War, whereas Batman generally fights clever psychopaths on his home turf.
>>124591365Anon, he’s oneshotted motherfucking Solomon Grundy, and has suits that can solo Darkseid/The League
>>124591366Does Steve get a quinjet then? When you have to resort to tanks and jets, you've already declared a loss.
>>124591322>goes back to having trouble fighting a Clown and Mobsters with Handguns.
>>124591377Is there anyone in DC who CAN'T solo Jobseid at this point?
>>124591380No you haven’t? The batmobile is a regular part of Batman’s arsenal. It’s his most famous gadget. That’s like saying he’s not allowed gas bombs or batarangs.
>>124591346>Batman has beaten people with bigger physical strength and speed than Capagain, so what? So does Cap on a regular basis, in fact he regularly goes up against people like The Hulk. You're whole point is null
>>124591377And Cap could also oneshot them
>>124591365Even if you're talking about direct combat with no planning involved, you'd still be wrong. Bane is stronger than Cap and so is Killer Croc and these are just regular stooges that he fights. He's fought augmented soldiers on more than a few occasions.
>>124591377Is Batman using special equipment to do this?
>>124591393Anon, Batman doesn't run over the Joker, or shot missiles at the Penguin. He's not Deathrace2000-Man.
>>124591400Bane is equal to Black Panther physically, who Cap is pretty much tied with.
>>124591399>Captain America>lasting a millisecond against The Justice League
>>124591402He’s using equipment that he constructed with his own two hands. Is Cap using a shield he forged himself out of metal ore he mined himself?
>>124591413He's much stronger than him unless we're talking off-Venom.
>>124591050cap's powered by AMERICA so he wins
Batman thinks Steve is just a mook and Steve puts his fist through Batmans skull and out his arse
>>124591433*Laughs in Final Batsuit**Lobotmises Steve’s iq from 75 down to 3, then throws him into the sun*
>>124591424I was talking out of suit, but yes, in suit BP is much stronger than bain.
If Captain America is susceptible to Bat-wank like every DC character who isn't the Joker, then Cap would obviously lose. Supes, Lanterns, cosmic space Gawds, all of them are crippled by Batwank, even if Bruce is on their side.If Cap isn't hobbled by Bat-wank, then Bruce is definitely in trouble. It comes down to how integral you consider the wank to Batman's character.If it's taken like a mutant power that makes everyone around him a gullible clumsy moron, its a clear win for Bats.
>>124591394>in fact he regularly goes up against people like The HulkThat's a stretch. He couldn't beat the Hulk in a million years. Batman has "beaten" the Hulk in a crossover and that was pretty stupid in itself.Cap's most impressive fight is probably against Absorbing Man. But he could never put down someone like the Hulk.
>>124591400Thos is why you batfags are fucking insuferable just shut the fuck up already, Cap would knock Bane out with one fucking punch!
>>124591454That's pure bullshit. Cap could barely get a decisive victory over Daredevil (who in fact has a 1 punch kill technique which can kill Steve)
>>124591454Oh calm down, we all knew it would come to this from the first post.
>>124591454>“w-w-well what abou—“No. Bane.
>>124591459Daredevil would also beat Batman>>124591460It's still annoying, fuck these retarded batfags
>>124591454Bane is a 15 tonner. He would rip 616 Steve in half.
What would happen if you give Batman the super soldier serum?Would it change anything?What about Bruce Wayne?
>>124591474Wrong. Cap would break him in one punch.
>>124591472>Daredevil would also beat BatmanNo. Even without sonic grenades Bruce has too much shit up his sleeve to lose to DD. He would disorient him and then get a decisive victory.Most of these fights with street level characters would be more fair if you took Batman's gadgets away from him.As it stands, I'd say the Punisher has the biggest chance simply because of his arsenal.
>>124591478He’d become less powerful than he already is
>>124591400>bane strong>killer croc strong>cap not as strong>so batman win!fucking dork. comparing the leading avenger and the worlds ultimate super soldier to a fucking cuban prisoner on roids and a retarded mutant with a croc face is stupid. batman fans are either delusional or disingenuous.
>>124591478>>124591487he took venom before; it made him go mad. he also got supermans powers before and lost his mind and humanity
>>124591479Can you back that up in any way?
>>124591487>The serum's general effect is to enhance and perfect the recipient physiology as well as emphasizing key personality traits, which can be a liability if the recipient has negative psychological traits.I dunno, wont that make Batman even more cunning and strategic?
>>124591478Batman's greatest power isn't that he's so competent, its that everyone he encounters is obligated to no longer be competent at all. Batman is immediately the smartest, most resourceful and cunning individual in any situation, even if someone else is a specialist in that science/skill/technique and considered the absolute master of it.He can throw 'rangs better than Boomer, show up Green Arrow with a bow, out-shot 2 Gun Kid (ironically), and on and on.That's just how it is at Detective Comics comics.
>>124591400>>124591471>>124591454Cap has beaten Bane, but not with one punch.
>>124591488And he's a leading Justice League member, what difference does it make?The fact of the matter is, Batman has beaten physically superior foes and has more gadgets and resources up his sleeve, on top of having better knowledge in combat techniques, having literally mastered all of them.Steve's advantages are his strength, speed and the shield. And the difference isn't big enough to give him a decisive edge.
>>124591509>amagalmNot canon, and Pre-Flashpoint
>>124591509I thought these crossovers weren't canon? Because if they are, Batman has beaten the Hulk and that's a lot more impressive than Bane.How can a super serum that makes you peak human increase Steve's odds of winning here by an exponential amount?
OH NONONONONO...CAPBROS?! WE LOST AGAIN!
>>124591499Cap is faster, stronger, smarter and a better fighter.
>>124591478Not much would change. He'd just become more competent than he already was.You may as well give him the Beyond suit, it basically mirrors the effects of the super soldier serum while adding a whole bunch of other shit as abilities.
>>124591509Still easily. Batfags are cancer.
>>124591512Avengers fight tougher foes.
>>124591515That's not Amalgam.>>124591517Well they were mentioned a few times in Marvel and DC comics, but not recently.
>>124591530>fasterPossible.>StrongerStronger than Bane? No. Not even ultimate Cap is stronger.>SmarterPossibly, it depends how much that would matter in a 1v1 fist fight.>A better fighterAgain possible, but Bane is no slouch either and the strength advantage here is pretty significant.I believe Cap can beat Bane but to assume it will happen with 1 punch or that it will be easy is pretty stupid. He has struggled for longer against inferior fighters.
>>124591536You're the one making the claim that Captain America could 1 shot a 15 tonner with ease. If all you have to fall back on is that Amalgam comic, or any instance of PIS in general, then I guess Black Panther is objectively superior to Silver Surfer and would blow him out.
>>124591544And how many of those did Cap take down by himself?
>>124591557You batfags are so annoying... just stop already.
>>124591577I didn't make the thread. Just being objective.
“B-B-BATKEK-SAMA, PUH-LEEEAASE FUCK PEGGY FOR M—AAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” - Steve Rogers’ final words before his untimely death
>>124590840they wouldn't fight
>>124591619That's the logical answer, we don't do that here
They met thrice:During WW2: they didn't fightDuring Marvel Vs DC: Bat won by luck after hoursDuring JLA Vs Avengers: Bat stated Cap had a chance to win, but neither wanted to waste time because them fighting wasn't important.Generally speaking, Cap and Bat are more or less on the same fighting level.Which means Bat would never waste time and risk losing by fighting him head-on unless forced (like in MvDC) and would instead use gadgets, tricks and misdirection, which would give him a strong advantage, should be believe there was a need to fight Cap
>>124590947>Tied with Richard Dragon.Uh huh. I dunno how they spin it now, but she flat out said fighting him was pointless back in the day. Aside from outliers like Karate Kid a millenia later Richard was hands down the best in DC.
They HAVE fought before, in DC vs Marvel crossover from the mid 90sBatman won.
>>124592144That was the same series that had Spiderman beating Superboy, and Wonder Woman kicking Storm square in the head and it not flying off.
>>124591124You are also an idiot but from the other side!!>>124591282>I'm a massive DCfag and BatfagA massive fag, gotcha>>124591322>Wait, let me put on my metatextual cosmic hyper-armor forged by the literal cretaor of the universe>>124591324Bitch.
>>124591365He beat the Hulk.
>>124591427By hamburgers and lies?>>124591471That issue was such utter garbage.>>124591478>What would happen if you give Batman the super soldier serum?Yikes.That's as close to invincible as you're likely to get.
well assuming the fight takes place in the marvel universe I would assume batman would just get his hands on some kind of marvel tech anyway.if we're talking bare-knuckle in the woods captain america. I mean isnt he physically stronger/faster than every regular human? Sure batman might fondle him a bit but all cap has to do is grab him and basically fold him like a pretzel. Assuming he doesnt do some "Idont want to fight you" stupid fucking captain america monologue.
>>124592257>forged by the literal cretaor of the universeLmao, Captards confirmed seething casuals.Batman made it himself. And then rebuilt it himself a 2nd time when Jarro sabotaged it. World Forger took no part in its creation, it's all Bat Power, baby!
>>124592314It's unlikely that he has enough power to fold him. He does have a power advantage but so do a bunch of other guys who have already lost to batman.I think in a continuous 1v1 Cap should have an edge at least physically, so it's likely he'd win (but not certain).In an all out battle with all the gadgets and the other shit, I'm giving it to Batman.I unironically think Punisher has a better chance at killing Batman than Cap does if we remove all the plot armor.
>>124592273Nice try, fuckstick.
>>124590840Batman. But it's a hell of a fight that could go the other way if luck steps in.Cap is physically superior, combined with his fighting ability which is at least just below Batman's of not on par, if they're naked fist fighting, Cap takes it in hand to hand. Batman deals with super people often and they seldom have Captain America's prowess or sharp mind. But one frequent sparring partner does: Diana. Diana would fuck Steve up. And Bruce spars her regularly. He's kinda ready, it's not just a cliché.Batman has too many resources and tricks. Batman knows his shortcomings, compensates with tons of equipment on him and he's a lot more ruthless. His entire suit has countless different features these days, forget the belt. Cap would fall for Batman's shit more easily than the other way around even with Steve's tactical mind. Batman has insane tech just on him any time, nevermind what he can call in too.So Batman wins.I mean, no one would argue current Black Panther couldn't fuck Captain America up. It's sort of the same thing.
>>124592212>Spiderman beating SuperboyConsidering it was Ben under the mask at the time, I can believe this.
>>124592428-Impact webbing (or any kind, really) only sticks if Superboy allows it to. Tactile Telekinetic field means it's not really on him. Same has happened with rope, razor wire, hi-tech mechanical grapplers, some kind of gem substance etc. He can make it fall or even explode off him.-Superboy by that point completely humiliated Aquaman physically. Someone who tows aircraft carriers and lifted a cruise ship. Orin was punching and kicking away and Kon just grunted a bit and wiped the floor with him. So Aquaman left and came back with a fuck-huge tidal wave and almost drowned him.-Tactile Telekinesis almost meant that Superboy could have just held Spiderman in place the moment he touched any nearby wall, floor or ceiling. Or debris attached to them. Then walked over and beat him silly. There are limits to this but the people who have broken it are completely out of Peter's league when it comes to power.Like I said, Spiderman's win was retarded. He ain't out punching Superboy, his webbing isn't going to do him any good and Kon can take away his agility with a thought.
>Don't know how much I am repeating from the rest of this thread, but here goes.The winner of Cap v Bat is tied more to who funds the story/writers. (also assuming this is Steve v Bruce, not Sam v Dick or Bucky v Azrael or some shit)DC money then it is Batman HANDS DOWN. Firstly because Batman has been written as having beat whatever Marvel EXPY shows up in DC without much problem as the common DC flex but Bat doesn't go down in crossovers. Marvel pays and it's either a draw or Cap MIGHT win if the tumblrinas aren't running the house.Captain America is possibly as strong as (DC)Bane, has his mind for strategy as well. His training is way beyond "basic combat training" they gave soldiers back in WWII, he has put in the time to learn how to fight and how to handle himself. He's closer to a Jason Bourne with enhanced strength and an indestructible battle-shield. Cap can take teh Marvel equivalent of bat to TOWN (Moon Knight) whereas Batman took on the Super-strength strategists of his own universe and ended up with a broken back, or fought to a stand-still, or ended up with a dead Robin (he got better though!) besides that Bat is a jobber nowadays, Batgirl and Blackman have to be improved to the point that they're Batman now, can't get the throne without unseating the king..
>>124592741>Captain America is possibly as strong as (DC)Baneno
>>124590867natasha should've kept the short hair non-ironically
>>124592808Pre 52 Bane was pushing around 1000lbs there's a comic panel in this thread where cap is doing that while casually talking to (Hercules, I'm guessing). Sure, NuBane probably clocks in at 5-ton or some other ridiculous power-creep range but at the strength level where Bane broke the bat, he was still roughly equal. (MCU Steve pulled an escaping helicopter down, where the maximum thrust hits around 4,400lbs but you know... movie shit gets ridiculous)
>>124592741Ha, he doesn't come even close to Kingpin
>>124593058Neither does the Bat
>>124592907>Pre 52 Bane was pushing around 1000lbs there's a comic panel in this thread where cap is doing that while casually talking to (Hercules, I'm guessing).Demolition Man.
>>124593058Steve isn't greedy with the hero jobs. He knows that his team mates need to put in hours on street-level stuff to qualify for Avengers pay. Steve was letting his boy Sam lend a hand.
>>124593100That tracks. I was looking at the Suit and thinking "Daredevil? From the Bearded Avengers?" Hercules usually wears green shorts with suspenders and a sparring helmet (and is brunette but aside from that... looks nothing like that guy at all) Is Hercules just dressed as an Olympic wrestler? I mean that sort of tracks, all things considered..
>>124591299You think Cap doesn't have decades of experience with hand to hand combat AND bridging huge power gaps? And he beats people/organizations with high tech gadgets all the time.
>>124591299>The gulf between him and Captain America in terms of strength is massively overshadowed by Batman's tools, talent, and experience.It's not overshadowed, if anything it means that Batman has to crutch on a wider variety of tools in his line of work to make up for the physical disparity that Captain America can accomplish with just his shield. It's not like whatever tools he has on hand Captain America has never encountered before while fighting The Hand, AIM, HYDRA, or any other supervillain that relies on surprise, obfuscation, or stealth.
>>124591294That’s cannon one DC.
>>124590840They're both incredible fighters, but Cap logically has the advantage in a hand-to-hand because he's stronger and doesn't get winded.Bats would definitely win if he had access to enough gadgets and preptime though.
>>124594289It’s not, it’s repeatedly been stated as an alternate dimension in DC and has so far been assigned to 3 seperate universe numbers to distance it from the real canon
>>124590840Batman with prep timeCaptain with no prep time
Captain American, no doubt.
>>124590928Captain America is explicitly not superhuman.
>>124590840Batman already won, because unlike Cap, Bat didnt need steroids
>>124591414>Batman>lasting a millisecond against Superman aloneEvery BvS storyline is pure author fiat and you know it. If Supes wanted to he could vaporize him from orbit before Bruce could blink
>>124595073Uh, that's talking about movie and Ultimate versions. Mainstream Cap is as strong as a man his size can be without extra tampering which would be just as strong as Batman going through extensive training every day.
>>124595158You know there's Bat-roids somewhere in that cave.
>>124595275>just as strong as Batman going through extensive training every day.No, it'd be significantly stronger. Batman, simply because he has to maintain his secret identity and eat/sleep/rest significantly more than Cap, can't hope to train enough to reach Cap's level.
>>124591454Capfags are just as insufferable as Batfags, and are also MCU tourists.
>>124595158He needs literal plot armor from a god. Getting by on just super steroids seems a lot more impressive in contrast.
>>124595475No one is even close to as insufferable as Batfags, particularly normalfag Batfags who just parrot "muh prep time"
>>124590840Depends. Is this Pre-Winter Soldier movie Cap, where Cap is just a peak human? Batman wins.Is this Post-Winter Soldier movie Cap where he's distinctly superhuman? Cap wins.Batwank? Batman wins.
>>124590915Comics cap is more than peak human, even if they were fairly matched cap won't get tired unless hes got some bat-meth batman will so is down eventually. Its how bane got him
>>124590927Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. NOT the world's greatest fighter. He learned many different skills to help him fight crime, but as a result he's nowhere near the level of the top martial artists of DC. Batman actively fears Shiva, is at a decided disadvantage against Deathstroke, needs a trick or a miracle to defeat Bronze Tiger, so on and so forth.
Batman is explicitly peak human just saying
>>124595475>Capfags are just as insufferable as BatfagsThat's one of the oddest takes I've seen on this board, ever.
>>124590840Marvel as usual
>>124595256And if Bruce wanted to he could kill Superman in his home before he even knew it. Batman’s prepared for it.
>>124590840It might honestly be to close to call, Both are peak human fighters with immense fighting skills that can take on people far outside of their weight classI'd give Batman a slight edge with his standardarmored suit, gadgets and ninja training letting him disengage basically at will with the likes of his smoke bomb and grappling hookI think it would come down to if Batman can get around that shield of Cap's
>>124590840the day of batman being mainlyjust a martial artist are gone, he's basically iron man light at this point
No one is saying Black Panther wouldn't fuck Cap up.Batman would too. It's that simple.
>>124590840Cap's charisma makes Bruce stand down and they talk it out.
>>124599608Black Panther wears an indestructible suit AND is an enhanced peak human on Cap's level. Batman has neither of those traits.
>>124591322>>124591381Yeah that's the ridiculousness of Batman.
>>124599608Black Panther has been wanked a ton those past few years
>>124601897>>124601118>>124599608They stalemated in their last fight while they both had the Phoenix, but then again, Aaron.
>>124591063Everyone has jobbed to Prometheus
>>124591124>compensate for his lack of fighting abilityCap has more combat experience than Batman.
>>124602425I'm not sure where this meme is coming from that Batman is more skilled than Captain America at fighting.
Real question is, who can beat Spidey easier based on the responses shown so far.
>>124603035Spider-Man is in that weird place where he either outclasses his opponent or his opponent outclasses him. He's too smart, strong, and fast for street level but not fast or strong enough for much above that.
>>124602596It's just an extension of the meme of Batman being the best at everything.
>>124603035Cap would stand a better chance. A lot of Batman's fighting style is based around stealth and misdirection, all of which are completely nullified by spider sense.
cap is an army guy therefore not cool therefore he loses
>>124603035Batman, always ready and has more in store to fight stronger/faster enemies than him.
>>124603256Cap misdirected spidey in Civil War.
>>124602596db says batman is a better fighter
>>124590840Batman can win assuming he uses a bunch of gadgets and traps and shit.In a straight up fight with their every day equipment Cap should win. He's stronger, more skilled, and more experienced. Also has no issue killing Bruce
>>124603319Except Spider-man Knows exactly when, where, and how dangerous anything Batman can throw at him is going to be.Cap doesn't stand a much better chance, but they at least know each other and Cap can talk him down.
>>124603378>Also has no issue killing BruceYes he does. Cap only kills to save lives, and even then it;s a last resort. He's not gonna decide to kill anyone in single unarmed combat.
>>124603351Db is wrong a lot.
>>124603485Depends on the situation. I'm just saying Cap has no reason to pull punches like batman does
>>124603351DB is retarded, and if you use it as evidence your even more retarded.
>>124603405Spideys problem is hes not a real fighter and always relies on spidey to fight for him, all it takes is putting him at a positions where his spidey sense can be a deception of where he wont anticipate attacks he naturally cant avoid. Which Batman can exploit with his gadgets and gases.If batman comes with prep that exploits and overrides spidey sense, peter is in trouble.
>>124603518He doesn't have a psychological compulsion against lethal force, but he still won't use it unless he has to. In an unarmed 1v1 they both are gonna be striking with full force, but neither is gonna be trying to snap the others neck or anything.
>>124603624>Spideys problem is hes not a real fighter and always relies on spidey to fight for himThis was true for a while, but he's been trained in martial arts by Iron Fist now. He's not in Bat's or Cap's league but he knows enough to make the best of his powers.>All it takes is putting him at a positions where his spidey sense can be a deception of where he wont anticipate attacks he naturally cant avoidSpidey sense gives him a full 3d awareness of his surroundings, and highlights anything that's going to be a threat to him, before it happens. Without super speed, anything you have to actually hit him with is basically a non-option. Trapping him in a confined space full of knockout gas could work, but it's gonna be very hard, and he's gonna know it's a trap.>If batman comes with prep that exploits and overrides spidey sense, peter is in troubleWell yeah, but he'd need the venom symbiote for that, and Venom-Batman is a much more obvious match for Spider-man
>>124603035Spider-Man's power set completely negates Batman's. He's faster and stronger, but WAY moreso than Cap for example. The spider sense nullifies Bruce's chances at ambushing or escaping via smokescreens or gadgetry. Peter is a genius level intellect in Marvel, whose super geniuses are usually considered higher end than DC's, even if Batman has prep time Peter has a decent chance at figuring a way out. It's almost like he was written specifically to hard counter Batman's tricks.
>>124590840Captain America.Prometheus thought Batman's fighting skill was enough to beat him but still lost.
>>124603898>He's faster and stronger, but WAY moreso than Cap for example.No, cap shows peter spidey sense based abilites in combat arent perfect and are automated to make miatakes in a battle where an oppentent has unconventional miadirection abilites.
>>124604497This is my response to who would most likely beat Spider-Man out of the three of them.
>>124599608Panther wank has approached batwank in recent years. Cap and black panther have always been basically interchangeable combat wise. Of course panther has tech and prep wank just like bats
>>124590840No rules? Batman because of gadgets.Straight hand to hand? Cap. Batman stated as such that Cap would win although it may take him a long time
>>124605342Spiderman would thrash punisher.
>>124605692It really depends. I can see scenarios where he gets the tag on Peter.
>>124605666>Batman because of gadgets.When has that consistently saved him getting his ass beat by top fighters?
>>124605729Hand to hand is obvious, but with the right equipment I can see it happening. He's also more willing to kill if they're bloodlusted so he'd be doing everything in his power to get that tag.Cap on the other hand would likely get trashed in H2H sooner because he wouldn't be using any weapons aside from his shield.
>>124605750many times, he'd be dead at this point if it weren't for that utility belt in general
>>124605729Since Batman is such a shitty and poorly written character, Batman's normal Human strength will hurt Spider-Man. Batman once knocked out Cheetah in one punch with no damage to himself or explination to how or why he was able to do it.Cheetah is a powerhouse who can trade blows with Wonder Woman and Superman.
>caps entire schtick is being the peak of human physical potential and such an incredible fighter he can fight guys way above his weight class>NOOOOO batman is that too>and a super scientist >and has infinite resources>and mastered every martial artBatfags are literally that kid on the playground who has to win every single make believe scenario
>>124590860Cap stomped Spider-Man.In hand to hand, he is wanked as much as possible.
>>124605911Isn't that a bit hypocritical in the context of this thread?
>>124605895Wasn't that Catwoman?
>>124605922>Cap stomped Spider-ManWhen? If you say civil war your retarded. He "won" that because Peter worships the guy. There was much worse spider wank in that
>>124603351>B-but my f-fan fiction says that...
>>124605922Cap would get murdered in 3 seconds without plot assisted armor.
>>124592317>Bat PowerIt runs on guano? That doesn't seem efficient.
>>124605799It'd actually be fairly easy to kill Spider-Man with high explosive ordnance if arranged in a way that he can't anticipate and escape the blastwave and shrapnel, but this is why I don't like prep in fights, you can make a really good argument that any dickhead with access to a National Guard's armory can kill anyone short of a near-invulnerable brick.
>>124591311>Batfag making headcanon from his cumfilled ass.Typical. They've been fighting for HOURS without a definitive outcome and Batman only won by taking advantage of Steve being preoccupied of trying to find a way to escape the flooding sewer.
>>124606105All is fair in love and war.
>>124606096Technically, yeah, but it all depends on the writer ultimately. He's managed to escape from much more difficult situations. I just think Frank's willingness to kill + equipment and prep time could have him take the win sooner than Cap and Batman would.If it's a random encounter, it's fairly obvious Spider-Man would beat all of them.
>>124591402Yes. It's called batwank.
>>124605895Cheetah is just a jobber.
>>124603035Logically, Peter would giga stomp them both.But Capwank made him lost against Cap and well, you know how fat the Batwank can go.
>>124591509>Back-breakingSurely he meant buck-breaking, right?
>>124606204Peter wank would probably not allow such a scenario even with cap and bat wank involved.
>>124606096>arranged in a way that he can't anticipateHe can always anticipate it though, he can detect future dangers. The only way to take him out is by using enough firepower to decimate an area so big he can't get out of it even with prior warning, or lure him in by endangering bystanders.One on one you'd have to level a city block to kill Spider-man with a explosives.
>>124606007>H-he lost on purpose
>>124606286>One on one you'd have to level a city block to kill Spider-man with a explosives.Lmao no. He's not a psychic.
>>124605342Of those three, Punisher has actually fought and lost to Spider-man the most.
>>124606304He's literally directly tied to the web of fate.
>>124592392>Diana would fuck Steve up.>Wonder Woman>All statement without any feat>Can't beat decent street-level fighters without gimmicks and/or superpowersWonder Woman fighting ability is a joke among top-tier fighters like Cap, Batman, Daredevil, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Deathstroke, and etc. Nice way to prove that you're a casual.
>>124606323And Spider-Man was nearly killed by Solo who is comparable to the Punisher, except for the fact that he can teleport. Frank also saved Peter during Civil War more or less (and Peter would've been dead had it not been for Tony's suit).The difference is Frank has access to weapons and a willingness to kill that is higher than that of Captain America and Batman.They'd all lose, but Punisher should have the highest chance of winning if you ask me.
>>124606367Then how come he has nearly died from lesser threats? How come he almost got btfo permanently by Kraven the Hunter of all people?
>>124606385WW is on a level far above Captain America. It's obvious that she'd win. What was more retarded was DB's suggestion that she'd beat Thor.
>>124602596Every single time Steve and Bruce used fighting skills alone, without any tomfuckery, the result was a stalemate.Kys batfag
>>124606428Kraven is also magic.And like I said, Spider-man is most vulnerable when he's saving other people, which he usually is.
>>124606484Well that's more retarded than any kind of wank then. He may as well be Dr. Manhattan.
>>124606428Why does Batman keep losing to some guy in a clown suit?
>>124606286No, he just senses "danger" without providing direct context to the danger. That's how the sense has been able to fuck him up more than a couple of times, and how his enemies have taken advantage of it. Also, you don't need to level a block, just get him into an area where he can't use his agility to get out in time to escape. It's easier said than done, but it's very possible with proper arrangement.>>124606323To be fair to Frank, he never goes out of his way to try to plot a means to meaningfully hurt or kill Spider-Man, but he can definitely create a situation where he could, and possibly succeed, in doing so, given that he has had access to some very high tech weaponry.
>>124606515Because he doesn't have magic or speed force at his side. He's just a regular guy who happens to be smarter and more capable than most.
>>124603856>but he's been trained in martial arts by Iron Fist nowAdditional training from Cap and inventing a new martial art with Shang-Chi called "the way of spider" when he lost his spider-sense. He's not as skilled those two like you said, but he can definitely hold his own.
>>124606508Except his future sight only gives him a few seconds of warning, and only triggers in the presence of danger. Though it is still better than Manhattan's future sight, which is basically useless considering he can't change the future he sees.
>>124606126Yes but the asspull you made never happened.>>124606458>WW is on a level far above Captain AmericaHappened never. WW has not a single feat of defeating a fighter below Steve's and Bruce's league without any power and magic, and no, sparring with a teammate doesn't mean shit when nothing is at stake between two friends having a friendly practice. WWfags are delusional about their goddess.
>>124606644I was referring to the "magic" explanation. It's stupid, as was turning the Hulk's origin and power into something mystical as well.
>>124590840HOW is this even a debate? You can spend forever matching physical attributes, but Batman is literally a genius in DC. Cap is just a soldier, whilst Batman is a techno detective ninja genius. Granted, he's not THE smartest character in his universe, but he's definitely top 10 both in brains and brawl. With prep time Batman wouldn't even need to show up. Without it Batman would figure out a way to beat Steve fairly quickly.
>>124606695WW is literally my most hated character in DC. If you think she wouldn't beat Captain America you're delusional. She wins on strength alone.
>>124606537>You knw that guy that can't run at the speed of light (or even the speed of sound) ?>That guy who can't lift a a mountain or even a car ?>The guy that has nothing except immunity to some toxins ?>That guy is much more dangerous than anyone elseBatfags and Jokeks, anyone.
>>124606695I'm not the guy who originally made that statement. It's been a while since I've read that crossover issue so I'll have to check up again.I can see it happening though, they're close enough in terms of power and ability that giving the decisive victory to either of them is arguable.
>>124606516>No, he just senses "danger" without providing direct context to the dangerNo, he can pinpoint the source of danger. Being in danger gives him daredevil-like 3d awareness and he can detect which areas will be dangerous when.
>>124606792Not everything boils down to physical abilities anon. Do you think Dr. Doom or Lex Luthor are anything special in the physical sense? They're not.
>>124606746Stupider than a spider bite giving his future-sight?
>>124606784>If you think she wouldn't beat Captain America you're delusional.With what feat, retard? What feat she has that proves her raw fighting skills are on par with Steve? None, never did, never have. Make her powerless and she'll lose to at least half of DC street-level fighters. Post feats if she has any case where her pure skills are shown instead of "muh goddess" powers and "muh greek gods" weapons shit.>She wins on strength alone.I'm talking about skills and tactical abilities, not strength. That's what I've been talking about all along.
>>124606844Daredevil's radar sense is superior, but Peter's gives his more practical advantage in near-death situations.
>>124606784>WW is literally my most hated character in DCHer popularity is overblown a lot, but that's ridiculous. She's never dropped out of the top 10
>>124606861At least Doom has huge magic powers. Luthor is Superman ennemy, he had access to Kryptonian tech.Joker is just the society man and he keeps BTFOing Batman.Crossover Batman =/= Solo Batman.
>>124606890>Make her powerlessIf that's your argument then you're a retard. Make Superman powerless and he'd lose to Elektra. Who gives a shit about "skills" here when Cap couldn't make a dent in her skin whereas she can punch his head off with no difficulty.
>>124606861Dr. Doom's body is genetically and magically enhanced.
>>124606007hey, he said the thing
Whenever when Batman fanboys said Bane could beat Rhino?
>>124606914I said mine, as in I dislike her. I know she's a popular character. And the notion that she wouldn't stomp Captain America is still laughable.I don't know what Capwankers are on ITT.That's like if I said Daredevil could beat Thor just because I like DD more.
>>124606943Yeah, and he has a suit of armor obviously. The point is that these are human beings, not gods or kryptonians. Ignore Doom if you want to but the point still stands.Physical power in itself does not guarantee you will win against any odds.
>>124602596Maybe the fact that Batman has trained under the most prominent DC martial artists? At the end of the day, Batman beats Captain America. Batman goes toe-to-toe with Deathstroke all the time and usually defeats him; and he's just Captain America with bloodlust. And it's not just about Batman's martial arts; it's his intellect, his gadgets, etc.
>>124606939>couldn't make a dent in her skinNice job of proving yourself a fucking casual. One of WW weaknesses is piercing/slashing weapons, bullets or anything with a sharp edge.>Who gives a shit about "skills"When your faggot brain says >>124592392>But one frequent sparring partner does: Diana.Sparing means practicing melee and close combat to improve skills, not to use superpowers. Even more pathetic for WW, is that she doesn't have a feat even in sparing where she's powerless. Get your examples right.Is she going to win with her powers? duh, yeah.Is she going to win without them and only relying on skill and knowledge like street-levelers? hell fucking no.
>>124606893>Daredevil's radar sense is superiorNot really, It has better range, and can detect more minute things, but it's also basically a weakness in and of itself, considering it bombards you with so much stimuli that most psychics can't even read Matt's mind without having a seizure.Unlike spidey sense he can use it at will though, so Matt's had much more time to learn to hone it.
>>124607070Captain America doesn't use bullets. You're also confusing me with the other guy who made the argument about Diana sparring with Bruce. Although being able to spar with an ancient metahuman with superhuman reflexes and speed IS in fact a good point.>is that she doesn't have a feat even in sparing where she's powerlessWhat kind of retarded logic is that? Why would she need to be powerless?>Is she going to win with her powers? duh, yeah.And that's literally all that matters. She isn't getting retconned into not having powers.
>>124607107In a lot of ways it is. There's even an official quote about it from the man who created them both.Spider-Man has the other physical advantages so it's not really important, but DD can usually perceive a lot more than Peter can.
>>124607161Yes, but that's just a question of in-combat practicality vs out-of-combat utility.
>>124607132>Captain America doesn't use bullets.That's not the debate, but his shield is sharp enough to cut some skin and if a simple bullet from a sniper rifle can pierce through Diana, then his shield can inflect damage. This is not what we're debating however.>Although being able to spar with an ancient metahuman with superhuman reflexes and speed IS in fact a good point.All of it falls flat when somehow, she doesn't use them during sparing but when she wants to win, she does. You can check them out yourself.>What kind of retarded logic is that? Why would she need to be powerless?Stop being a retard for a second. All of her feats which caused wank from DC on "WW is superb fighter" were accomplished in a mix of superpowers, magic, and amazonian-macguffin skills. You don't see her fighting top-tier fighters regularly and definitely not without powers, which what the likes of Steve and Bruce do regularly and when they need an edge they start using their own gadgets. The logic is that she has never shown her "real skills" and how much of her feats come from her those and this is even considering her feats are mostly against powerhouses who aren't particularly known for possessing superb fighting skills. I'm not saying she should be powerless, I'm saying Diana has never proved herself solely by combat skills without help from something else, her biggest powerless feat is taking on several biker thugs which is fodder-tier in superhero comic books, even powerless Superman managed to beat similar thugs.>And that's literally all that matters.It isn't, because that anon brought up Diana as a measurement for Bruce's and Steve's fighting skills which is why I started this debate in the first place, not because I was angry that WW is gonna wreck Cap in a regular fight. Diana is average at best solely by combat skills. A better measurement should've been the likes of Richard Dragon and Shang-Chi.
>>124603856He was trained by Shang Chi and he's stopped practicing and basically lost that power up
>>124590840Captain America and the Batman square off, each analyzing their opponent’s movement and stance, each waiting for their enemy to make the first move. Cap loses patience first and darts towards Batman with preternatural speed. Batman, cool and collected as always, fires a couple tazer darts towards Steve’s face. Cap reflexively raises his shield and neutralizes the tazers but this gives Bruce all the time he needs to close the gap and land the first blow.
>>124607357Even if you take away all of the combat knowledge/skills away, she's still a metahuman with superior powers to Captain America and Batman.Based on that alone, sparring with her would pose a challenge, and actually managing to kill her if you're simply peak human would also pose a great challenge.In retrospect you're probably right that he should've given an example of Bruce sparring with someone who is proficient on a technical level. But powers will always come into play in some extent or another.Captain America has managed to evade the Hulk and hold his own against him for a limited amount of time, because he is a more skilled fighter. But he would eventually lose, because he simply doesn't have enough power to put him down under normal circumstances. I personally prefer street level characters in comparison to most metahumans, but it's a fact that the average metahuman would win 9 times out of 10.Cap being able to beat Iron Man is a ridiculous notion in itself, but it kind of proves that a lot of the time these characters get wanked and presented as much more powerful than they should be.
>>124607550Using his near superhuman reflexes to get inside Captain America’s guard, Batman forces Cap to drop his shield in order to prevent a grapple from his skilled opponent. Recovering quickly from the surprise of the attack, Cap holds his own, both men striking with lightening speed and savage force. But the super soldier serum flowing through Steve’s veins keeps his muscles from producing fatigue toxins and with the intensity and concentration of the fight, Batman soon begins to tire.Captain America presses his advantage as the tiring Bruce begins to give ground. Snatching up his shield and bringing it round in a single motion, Steve knocks the Batman on his back and prepares a crushing follow up blow.Before he can connect, Bruce detonates choking gas pellets, a risk with him so near but unavoidable. Cap relents for an instant in surprise from the explosion of gas.
>>124607572Pressing his apparent advantage, Batman attempts to finish the fight with a slash from two razor sharp batarangs clutched in his fist. But Bats didn’t count on the Captain’s iron lung and the gas has no effect on him. Steve deflects the attack and retaliates with a series of kicks and strikes from his shield which Batman barely manages to avoid. The gas now laying thickly about the combatants, Batman takes the opportunity to distract Steve with a flurry of blows before melting away into the mist to recover from the gas and plan his next attack.Steve, well used to the fog of war, finds his center and waits, poised for the inevitable attack.It comes in the form of a batarang. Cap hears the buzzing as it slices through the air and raises his shield to block.In the same instant, Batman connects with a series of bone crunching blows. As Steve begins to recover, Batman disappears into the smoke once more.Cap realizes that he's dealing with a very cunning foe and recognizes the need to end this fight quickly. When he hears Batman's next incoming attack, he hurls his shield with all his prodigious strength at his attacker while himself dodging the projectiles, this time a bolas.
>>124607603Batman effortlessly ducks under the whirring shield and again closes with Captain America. With too little time to react, Steve is once more pounded by a barrage of masterfully executed strikes. As Cap falls back under the onslaught, Batman senses victory and prepares for a finishing blow.Out of the now thinning haze, Cap’s shield finally returns after executing a number of precisely calculated bounces, right into the base of Batman's neck and skull.Bruce dies instantly, never knowing his defeat.END
>>124591299Bro, Captain America leads the Avengers. Tons of aliens, super beings, and celestial villains they've fought and no one wants him to be replaced as their leader. To say that Cap has little experience with huge power gaps is wrong.
>>124607566I agree that she can beat them at the same time just by powers, but the notion that she can take on them or even compete with most of street-level fighters in both DC and Marvel based on fighting skills alone, is beyond stupid.>presented as much more powerful than they should be.They have to, then how are you going to make them interesting on action-scale when they're hanging around with literal god?
>>124592304Same way we mog your shitty country outside of comics.
>>124590840In Cap's corner - super soldier serum + ww2 combat experience, plus all the combat experience he picked up from the 1960's forward to now + 1 CENTURY of constant fighting / combat experience from the Kang: Time Lost arc, PLUS his super soldier serum bonding permanently to the Power Broker's WWF Unlimited Class drugs pushing him well past the metahuman threshold for strength, durability, agility and general speed which was NEVER retconned, even after the Onslaught storyline when Franklin Richards either 'saved' or 'remade' Cap.In Batman's corner we have - decades of combat training and experience, beyond cutting edge gadgets, batwank plot armor, etc.In a straight up fight in a large cage match within a ring, Cap will destroy Batman. No way for another result. In an open air urban environment during night time hours, Bats should initially get the edge by use of mobility, traps, etc, to get a handle on how juiced Cap really is.Could Bats defeat him at this stage? Well, he's gone toe to toe with Killer Crock and Clayface and came out a winner so sure, it's possible. But how often has Bats taken on a foe with over 15+ decades of training and experience (effectively) that has Cap's metahuman physique? It's a sour, uphill struggle for bats, no question.
>>124591512>Batman is better because hes a ninja who jumps at people from the roof>Steve Rogers has fought in literal wars and has defeated numerous super beings by himself. he can also lift Thors hammerits not even close, Batman is a detective, while Captain America is a solider, an icon, and a proud American who leads the free world of super heroes.
>>124607709Both are so much equal in everything that they need luck to get a serious advantage over each other.
Useless debate J
>>124607709Batman has taken down foes that are far more formidable than Captain America and has shown to be capable of taking down the Justice League by himself one way or another.Cap's biggest advantage would be in a random fight where neither of them know anything about the other person.Years of advantage matters little when Batman fights people like Vandal Savage who is even older than Rogers, or Ra's al Ghul. Steve's advantage remains the abilities that he gains from the super serum. That will be the X factor that can make him win.
>>124607747UI Goku smokes him.
>>124606293He did though
>>124607786Ladies and gentlemen, you're witnessing a batfag.
>>124607865Like I said, Steve's advantages come from the serum. When you take into account that Batman has fought and defeated a similar opponent (Deathstroke) who has no issue with killing people on top of it, the line gets blurred.When you take into account that he has a lot more tech at his disposal the line gets blurred even more.I don't think it will be an easy fight for either of them but Batman becomes more dangerous with the more knowledge he gains about a given opponent. Because of this, Steve's biggest opportunity would be in a random scenario where neither of them know anything about each other, so he could outlast Bruce physically.
>>124607915>Batman has fought and defeated a similar opponent (Deathstroke)Most of the times? No. A few times he did? after getting his own ass kicked a lot.>When you take into account that he has a lot more techWhich Steve faced before on several fields. A.I.M, Zola, Zemo, Strucker, Winter Soldier, Crossbones, Zetigist, Flag Smasher, Cutthroat, Iron Cross, Jack O'lantern, Machinesmith, Viper, Nuke, Power Broker, Sin, Taskmaster, hell, even Punisher. Giant arsenal of different toys and weapons is old news to Steve, he handled batman-copycats before.>with the more knowledge he gains about a given opponentSo does Steve. One of, if not the, biggest forgotten aspects of Steve is that he's also a genius strategist and tactician who has prep-time macguffins himself. Gaining knowledge against an enemy and learning about them isn't exclusive to Batman.> Steve's biggest opportunity would be in a random scenarioFalse. In any scenario, one needs luck to gain a massive advantage over another.
>>124608085I think in a random encounter Steve has a bigger edge than in a scenario where prep time is allowed.
>>124608085I don't even see how Batman's gadgets are anything special from what he's encountered, either. They're mostly generic ninja devices that he's seen both heroes and villains use, and wouldn't be a stranger to them. Some of those organizations he's fought hand out much more advanced weaponry to their generic mooks, too.
>>124607786captain america has also fought without the serum and defeated his opponents. you think captain america is all about the serum, but thats where youre wrong. he wins because he is right. he fights for freedom. he defeats nazi, super nazis, hydra, gods, and celestials because hes the best. captain america can squash batman and break his neck with his shield if he wanted to. bruce has NO DEFENSE against shields because hes not used to fighting based style
>>124608209b b but shark repellant! hes always prepared! and if he isnt, then he will be next issue! hes like super smort doodz
>>124607709>Captain America is a solider, an icon, and a proud American who leads the free world of super heroeslets put it like this: ALL superheroes bow down the wholesomeness and heart of captain america. they all respect the man and want him as their leader.counterpoint: ALL superheroes dont like or trust batman because hes a cunt. batman will never lead anything besides a rag tag group of kids who shall later grow to hate him kek!
>>124590840Whoever the host is.>Batman: Featuring Captain AmericaBatman Wins>Captain America: Featuring BatmanCaptain America Wins>Captain America and BatmanThey put aside their differences to fight the real villain, and agree it's a tie.
>>124590840Let me end this once and for allIn straight one on one gladiator style combat with no prepCap would win In literally any other situationBatman would win
>muh prep work!is batman a guy who needs a fluffer lol? is that what robin is for? prepping the bull? captain murica would decapitate batman if he wanted to. batman is just one ninja. captain america can kill swarms of ninja by himself.
In a straight fight, Cap would smoke him. Assuming Bats has his standard arsenal, Batman would likely win.
>>124609120what is in batman's arsenal that would turn the tide? his pellets? a grappling hook? a spray? lmao batman fights like an old timey villian
>>124591124>his lack of fighting abilityA fair bit of Marvel heroes received training from Cap, as I recall.
>>124609277That's what I want to know. And I don't think Bats chucking rangs at Cap is in any way going to be effective.
>>124609277Whatever you can think of, he probably has it. His sonic grenades alone can incapacitate Superman for a short duration, let alone someone like Cap who isn't nearly on that level.
>>124608634What good are these arguments when Batman has defeated a hundred armed people by himself?Every argument you make in favor of Cap already exists in favor of Batman. The difference is one has a lot more equipment on his side and more feats against metahumans in a direct fight.
>>124608393Nah, the serum gives him a definite advantage. Without it he would go down even quicker.The shield argument is weak since he's already fought all kinds of martial artists and has laughed in some of the senseis' faces.The serum can make all the difference here. Without it he'd be dead in seconds.
>>124608415no shark repellant needed :^)
>>124590840>All these posts and no one posted it yetIt already happened and Comic Book Batman beat Cap... he even saves Cap, it's canon too especially since Disneyfags love to brag about Wolerine beating Lobo and in DC everything is canon.
>>124590840Batman is the more capable fighter, but Cap has superhuman stamina, so Cap wins.
>>124610573>yuujiro will just rape batmansmart