What is the actual ideological reason for the conflict?
tits vs ass
>>124583203Don’t the Decepticons want to extract energy from other planets and use it for themselves? A kind of energy imperialism?
>>124583203With how blunt modern writers tend to be, I'm guessing the Decepticons are conservatives.
>>124583203As with anything else in Transformers, it depends on the continuity.
>>124583203Depends on the series.Sometimes the Decepticons are robot supremacists, sometimes they're a revolting underclass that devolve into robot supremacists.
>>124583203>Allies | Axis.
In IDW2, it's isolationists vs. imperialists.
>>124583388>In IDW2, it's isolationists vs. imperialists.That sounds interesting.
>>124583203Something something Jews
>>124583203Take your pick>Classism>Megatron's naked ambition for power>Resource wars
>>124583203No one has developed a better source of energy yet
>>124583203Two answers to the same question that is freedom. See long ago, before Autobots and Decepticons, all Cybertronians had predetermined roles in their society. Optimus and Megatron both expressed a desire to break away from the structure, each stating that Cybertronians should have the right to choose what they want to be. However where their beliefs divide is how freedom/personal choice should be obtained. Optimus believed in everyone having the right to choose, while Megatron argued that the strong decide their own path and the path of others for the good of the collective. This started the war.
Onee-samas vs. Imoutous
>>124583203Decepticons believe in right of conquest. That this is good for the Cybertronian race for prosperity.Autobots believe freedom is the right of all sentient beings.However, the previous ruling faction which were the autobits predecessors believe every cybertronian was born to do a certain position. Decepticons believe saw this as corruption. Most Autobots were sympathetic to the Decepticons but didn’t believe violence was the answer. Anyway, Decepricons eventually slew the all those in charges and then looked to conquer other lands and expandAutobots seek to stop this.Basically Decepticons and Autobots are a two-system political parties taken to the full extreme.
>>124583644Autoboots sound strangely...communist...
>>124583203Decepticons want to save their race and autobots are self hating hippies who want to save humans
decepticons like purple and autobots like red :)
>>124583664I think you have that backwards.The "sympathetic" Decepticon origins have blatant parallels to the rise of Soviet Russia.
>>124583203blood niggabots versus grape street crip niggabots
>>124583203Changes series to series. But generally it's no more complicated than Optimus Prime vs Megatron and their respective followers. Nothing really explored beyond that.>>124583358Funny enough, there was one backstory I heard about where Megatron was originally a miner leading the Cybertronian blue collar laborors against the elite ruling class. Protests/unionizing turned into coordinated violent attacks, which eventually lead to the Autobot vs Decepticon war. I kind of like the idea the good guy/bad guy role was switched during their origin story.
>>124583203To sell toys, that is literally the only reason anything happens in this franchise.
>>124583973>there was one backstory I heard about where Megatron was originally a miner leading the Cybertronian blue collar laborors against the elite ruling class.That's IDW and the aligned novels. And the Netflix cartoon hinted at it too.Optimus in those cases starts out as being on Megatron's side, then turns against him when Megs decides to burn everything and take over.
>>124583997And vidya.Also toy commercial series have a feedback loop.
Can we all agree Sunbow, Animated and IDW2 had the best origin for Optimus
>>124583203Is there any in-universe reason for the Decepticons to call themselves that way if they presumably view themselves as good guys?
>>124584082And in IDW1, Megatron makes that turn because he's falsely arrested for a bar fight and the government sends a thug to silence him and his rhetoric. It's there that he decides "might makes right".
>>124584167It's usually a "we claim this name calling as our own" kinda deal.
>>124584167Yes. Just recently too.They try to tell the public “they are being deceived” by the current cybertron administration.So they call themselves Decepticons.
>>124583203>What is the actual ideological reason for the conflict?Decepticons are either:-Expansionist/Darwinists-Accelerationist/SupremacistAnd Autobots are either forcibly locked in combat against that (the target of the Decepticon aggression and purges) or ideologically driven to contain the Decepticons even when they fuck off and decide to leave the Autobots alone and conquer other species.That's the OSTENSIBLE reason for the conflict.The reasl reason probably involved the 'Autobot Code' and the 'Decepticon Code', which are literal packets of UNDECOMPLILED computer code which can be installed and uninstalled and create subtle but fundamental changes to the Transformer's personality.We know that these codes LITERALLY date from the Quintesson occupation and have not changed since. A Quintesson who had been trapped in a time warp for millions of years and awakened in the BEAST ERA was able to immediately recognize Autobots and Decepticons because of this. No physiological examples -- but it was blindingly obvious to him who was what because it recognized the programming overlays.tldr; The entire war is probably a failsafe embedded into the military hardware when the Quints sent it to try and retake Cybertron. (A period of history that we've never seen in 40 years even though we know it must have happened.)
>>124584167Same reason the Autobots are called that way even though a bunch of them aren't cars.
>>124583203Decepticons believed Cybertron was once at war with the rogue planet Destron
>>124583203Nothing, it's racism
>>124584339Not really. Transformers aren't "born" as Autobots and Decepticons, they choose what faction they want to join, a lot of them even change sides.
>>124583605Which one is which?
>>124584082>Optimus in those cases starts out as being on Megatron's side, then turns against himI don't know how I feel about that. On one hand, Optimus and Megatron formerly being friends adds some pathos to their conflict. On the other hand, the defector "good guy used to be on the bad guy side until they realized they were bad guys and now fights against them" is kind of a cliche, and the bad guys origin always goes from fighting for a just cause to shooting puppies evil just 'cause real fast.
>>124583997This is a non-answer, really.
I like how Optimus Prime ogles Elita One. He wants her to not fight and stay safe.I love how Megatron ogles Nightbird. He wants to liberate her from her human masters.Megatron is woke.
>>124583582>Cybertronians should have freedom! >but only freedom as dictated by me, MegatronWhat a fuckhead. Just wanted to replace the old people in charge with himself
>>124584391kek. I remember one cartoon they had early 2000's (Armada, I think) where their badge literally just flips around to the other one when they change sides like they all have both just in case.
>>124584478Because that's never happens IRL.>>124584476Megatron is broke.
>>124584482>MEGATRON HAS FALLEN, I STARSCREAM AM YOUR NEW LEAD- Oh shit, it's not just Megatron, we all got our asses kicked. Um, uh, AUTOBOTS, I STARSCREAM HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS AND WISH TO JOIN YOUR SIDE.
>>124584482Armada has a fuckton of faction switching happening, but you're probably thinking of two characters: Scavenger, who was a spy, and Sideways, who was working both sides. They had specific reasons to have built-in switching symbols, it wasn't a universal thing.
>>124584513>Because that's never happens IRL.Where did I say that it doesn't? People who do that in real life are also fuckheads
>>124584608Oh, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything like that. I just wanted to point out that it does happen. Meet the new boss, same as the old and all that.
>>124584422It helps that the "bad guys side" weren't the bad guys at the start.
>>124583203>those fuckers want to take our shit!
Heroic vs Evil.
>>124584781>those fuckers>our shit
>>124584238So like the n-word, I gotcha.
In essence, the more recent depictions of the Decepticons were that of Well-Intentioned Extremists, fighting against a system they perceived as being corrupt and inept (whether or not it truly was).Naturally, though, they decided to install their own corrupt system to replace the old one, and things kind of snowballed from there.I like the history of Optimus/Orion and Megatron being friends; it adds a personal weight for their conflict together, like they're not just two guys fighting each other, but two guys who were at one point as close as brothers.
>>124584167In TFP, Megatron (while trying to deceive an amnesiac Optimus/Orion) claimed that the name was a badge of honor of sorts:>"Another craven Autobot scare tactic. The name was meant to demonize us. Instead, we wear it as a badge of honor, for if speaking the truth is deception, then we are gladly guilty."If it were me, I would expand on this, having the ruling elite try to discredit a young Megatron and his supporters by calling them "Deceptive Constructs" (Constructs, in this context, being a slur against those who were constructed cold - born unnaturally). Naturally, they took the name and made it their own, calling themselves "Decepticons"
>>124584478Megaton's belief is that if someone more powerful can beat him, they have the right to rule and decide the fate of the planet. Why the hell do you think he keeps Starscream around? Guy shows promise
>>124585095>Megaton's belief is that if someone more powerful can beat him, they have the right to rule and decide the fate of the planet"might makes right" retards always claim to believe this, but when push comes to shove they always cry when the bigger, stronger dude comes along. Which Megatron did when Unicron came along and told him to sit the fuck down
>>124583203not a superfan but I always thought it was fascism vs democracy
>>124585154I mean, Unicron DID just outright blab to Megatron that he had a giant weakness that the Autobots possessed.
>>124583358Literally all ideological villains are a mix of conservatism, authoritarianism, and imperialism.
>>124585219What, and you think if Unicron hadn't done that Megatron would have done what he was told?
>>124583476>>Classism>>Megatron's naked ambition for power>>Resource warsI think all three work togther. It starts off as classism, then Megatron gets a taste for power, then it becomes a resource war.
>>124584927I will admit the chickbot is cute.
>>124584478A LOT of revolutionaries think exactly like that. Or they only start the revolution as a means of obtaining the ends of putting themselves in charge.Megatron is at least better than that because his motives for starting the war were selfless initially.
>>124583375>Decepticons don't want to be trapped in their own bodyOH NO WE GOT TOO COCKY STARSCREAMBROS THEY TURNED US INTO TRANNIES
>>124584958>So like the n-word, I gotcha.
>>124585305Yeah the founding fathers would make great villains in some alt history comic since they started the Revolution purely to take power for themselves
Optimus lucked out with having a mentor like Alpha Trion.Megatron’s mentor is that shitty Megatronus.
>>124585305True. Basically the masses just go with the "WE WANT FREEDOM!" bit but generally aren't thinking any deeper about how that freedom will be codified into law, maintained, or protected. So many revolutions end up empowering someone who smiled at them, fed them slogans, got them riled up perhaps even enough to paint the streets in blood, but then wind up being just as bad or nasty as the previous regime. When populists go to war the common folk are rarely more than fodder.
>>124585375They make pretty great villains in real history
>>124585226Depends. Industrialisation is considered progressive vs those who want to conserve nature and the enviroment.
>>124583203Depends on the continuity, in current IDW decepticons are expansionists/imperialists that argue against policies such as strict energon rationing and the ban on making new titans. Megatron is a firm believer of accelerationism which basically ends with him causing a lot of shit behind the scenes to try to sell the ascenticons/decepticons as the answer until his shady allies cause so much shit it risks directly incriminating him so he just goes for a coup.
>>124585449Any industrial villain is probably also an imperialist or running an authoritarian conservative society
>>124585493I HATE THIS FAMILY! I WISH I WAS NEVER BORN! *cries while looking at porn between fingers*
>>124583203War machines fighting for power, and (originally) non-combat machines working for peaceful coexistence.
>>124585543This page more or less shows how he saw Cybertron's post war policies.
>>124585543Are Shockwave or Ratbat on the senate council in the new continuity?
>>124585720Shockwave is a war criminal and a terrorist leader.Ratbat is a senator, yes. He was never a normal bot, though. He's the mini bot representative.
>>124584796¿Same tripfag? ¿2012?
>>124585761What about Metalhawk and Alpha Trion?
>>124585720Shockwave was an exiled criminal Megatron snuck back into Cybertron to start trouble left and right with a radical "unaffiliated" terrorist group. He was using them to make more people unsatisfied with the current administration's inability to handle it in hopes of acquiring more power. Ratbat was a senator.
>>124585788Alpha Trion is in Galaxies which I unfortunately have not had the pleasure of reading yet.
>>124585549I recall one important historical event was that Washington stood down and allowed the transfer of power after his two terms as president. Presidential term limits were not a thing written into the Constitution and were not put in place until 1951 with the ratification of the twenty-second amendment. He didn't want to be a president for life, a defacto king, which helped hammer the point into the American consciousness. A different set of factors, a different set of men, and it could have been quite different. Of course even as much as they got right they still had a perception of "free men" in the general white land owning calibre and were perfectly fine with owning human beings.Hopefully things don't go too /pol/, I mean they shouldn't. Transformers threads are usually pretty chill. I mean in the Cybertronian sense it would be like the Autobots win and freedom is the right of all sentient beings but beastformers aren't considered truly sentient and minicons can still be owned and housed in your chest cavity without their consent.
>>124585788Metalhawk has only made a tiny cameo as a technician in a space station.Alpha Trion is Ultra Magnus's mentor and some kind of historian/archaeologist.
>>124585375The American Revolution to the Whiskey Rebellion is a great hero-into-villains arc.
>>124585849I'd stress that in many continuities beasts are often considered just that and not just a matter of their alt. This became a point in TFP with the Predacons. Oh in Aligned they also had prejudice against minicons. One of my favorite bits of the novels was that minicon terrorists detonated themselves at Six Lasers over Cybertron, the joke being that they were tired of being too short for any of the cool rides.
>>124585849Doesn’t Hasbro have in place the current canon between Generation One and Beast Wars, is that the Great War survivors treated micromasters and mini cons as second class citizens. While the micromasters saw the bigger bots as fuel guzzler assholes. This led to the Maximals and Predacon factions
>>124585761>>124585788>>124585802>>124585905>>124585843Thanks guys.So sooner or later the Decepticons are going to kill all of the senate council like they always do in every continuity. (except for Ratbat in this case)
Decepticon origins:Marvel Comics:The Decepticons emerged from the gladiatorial State Games, which caused Megatron's rise to public prominence - in the aftermath of the destructive Vos-Tarn War, Megatron was able to use his fame and charisma to unite both the survivors and the planet's malcontents into a new army. His plan was to turn Cybertron into a mobile cosmic dreadnought and conquer the galaxy. The Decepticons developed new technology to allow them to transform into attack vehicles and weaponry, launching a devastating attack that killed billions and shook the planet from its orbit before Optimus Prime turned the tide.The Transformers cartoon:The Decepticons began life as a line of military hardware robots created by the Quintessons, alongside the consumer goods robots that would become the Autobots. Following the defeat of the Quintessons and their exile from Cybertron, a brief period of peace descended, before the base differences between the two breeds of robot led to the outbreak of conflict. Lusting for power, the Decepticons, as they now called themselves, rallied under a leader and began a war with the peaceful Autobots, who proved unable to match their inborn military skills. After the fall of several successive Autobot leaders, the heroic robots turned to stealth, and invented the art of transformation; with this edge, Sentinel Prime defeated the Decepticons' leader, ending the war and ushering in the prosperous Golden Age of Cybertron. Over time, the defeated Decepticons married transformation technology with robot mode flight powers, leading to the creation of Megatron around nine million years ago. Gathering like-minded warriors like the loyal Soundwave, the emotionless Shockwave and the young upstart Starscream, and brain-washing others into his service with the Robo-Smasher, Megatron slew Sentinel Prime and reignited the war.
>>124585926Not that I'd heard. I mean it wasn't in any of the material that I've read, but I could be missing something. I thought it was still the Great Upgrade backstory.
>>124586021Against the Autobots under the command of new leader Optimus Prime, the protracted warfare ran for five million years, draining Cybertron dry of energy and forcing the Transformers to seek new power sources on other planets.2005 IDW continuity:During the reign of Nominus Prime, Cybertronian civilization was stratified by a Functionist society that equated one's worth as an individual with the usefulness and uniqueness of one's altmode. Among the impoverished lower classes was a young, idealist miner named Megatron who sought to peacefully end Functionism as an institution. His treatise gathered momentum among Cybertron's working class, but the Decepticon movement didn't come about until later, when an embittered and disillusioned Megatron began circulating more radical and violent samizdat writings. Indeed, the name Decepticon was taken from one of Megatron's favorite rallying cries: "You are being deceived." They soon began scaring people in high society. They really came into their own when Megatron led an uprising in Kaon, taking the city and killing a Prime. The Decepticons soon began spreading across the planet, recruiting new people and carrying out terrorist strikes in advance of their main assaults. Eventually they overthrew the Senate and yet another Prime, but by then it was clear they were going to install a brutal dictatorship of their own. The Autobots of Optimus Prime rose up against them and war began. The war they started proved too destructive for Cybertron to handle, and the Decepticons had to abandon it after the disastrous Thunderwing incident.Live-action film series:The origins of these Decepticons began when the Fallen turned on his brother Primes in an attempt to seize power at the cost of humanity's existence. One account has it that the Fallen gathered a small army of construction drones to assist him and named them Decepticons.
>>124586054Either way, he would become known as the first Decepticon and would go on to become the Sidious to Megatron's Vader, tempting the latent aggressive edge in the Protector. Filled with dreams of power and paranoia of losing that power, Megatron reformed the Cybertron defense force into a massive engine of war, ready to wipe out entire alien species who would dare challenge them.When science leader Optimus Prime's opposition became known, Megatron branded them traitors and declared his followers to be the Decepticons. Soon after, The Fallen commanded Megatron to build the Nemesis, a ship that would carry his sarcophagus and Decepticon soldiers in their search for the Matrix of Leadership left on Earth. Megatron was commanded to remain on Cybertron, so Soundwave commanded the expedition. Most of the Decepticons left Cybertron, leaving Megatron with a reduced, but still potent, army.Animated continuity family:Around 1 billion years ago, the Destrons emerged as a new faction on the Protectobot governed Cybertron. Led by Devron, the Third Cybertronian War was fought between the Destrons and the Protectobots (who were led by the new leader Nova Magnus). The Destrons emerged victorious, though many Cybertronian records were forever lost due to the Great Purge. The Decepticons came to prominence as a sub-faction of the Destrons around 70 million years ago. They advocated the use of the AllSpark to bring Cybertron itself to life, that it might serve as a cosmic juggernaut that would allow the Transformers to return to the era of expansion and colonization of other worlds they had enjoyed nearly 700 million years beforehand. When the Decepticon leader Megazarak was ousted by charismatic rhetorician named Megatron, tensions finally exploded, and the Autobots and Decepticons went to war for possession of the AllSpark.
I like the modern approach that Alpha Trion, Megatronus and Alchemist Prime are the last of the original Primes on Cybertron.Alpha Trion mentors the Autobots. Megatronus mentors the Decepticons. Alchemist is fine hanging in MacCadam’s and representing the neutrals.
>>124586071After something in the vicinity of six million years of civil war, things reached a crisis point when the Decepticons began a strategic bombing campaign on Cybertron, demanding the AllSpark be turned over in exchange for a cessation of hostilities. Rather than give in to Megatron's demands, the Autobots instead sought to put the AllSpark beyond any Cybertronian's reach, launching it randomly through a space bridge to some distant corner of the galaxy, where it was hoped it would never be found. The Autobots pulled a victory only due to their exclusive access to space bridges, Project Omega, and their decision to send the AllSpark into deep space.Aligned continuity family:Megatronus, a member of the Thirteen, considered himself the first Decepticon. He killed Solus Prime and was imprisoned for it in an alternate dimension. The Decepticons originated from those in the lower castes of Cybertronian society in the Badlands. Megatron, a gladiator who seized control of all the gladiatorial pits and assumed the name of The Fallen, began preaching to the dispossessed on the Grid. He allowed them to bomb Cybertron and throw their society into chaos, for he rightly believed if he denied any connection to their extremist behavior, it would elevate him in the eyes of the High Council. Even the Seeker Starscream kidnapped Sentinel Prime for him. When the Council questioned Megatron about the movement's name, he denied he had heard of it, though he also accepted it for reasons outlined above. When Halogen appointed Orion the new Prime, Megatron declared his Decepticons would continue to fight for freedom. During the war they conquered eighty-five percent of the planet, as well as occupying Moon Base One and Trypticon Station, before poisoning the core itself with Dark Energon.
>>124585965>So sooner or later the Decepticons are going to kill all of the senate council like they always do in every continuity. (except for Ratbat in this case)Well he already went through a coup about 7 issues ago and was holding most senators hostage, only a few managed to escape.
>>124586087When the Autobots left aboard the Ark, Trypticon transformed into the Nemesis and followed them with Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, and Lugnut into unknown space, while Shockwave took control of the Cybertronian Decepticons.Cyberverse cartoon:Megatron established the Decepticons as a political movement, opposing the Cybertronian status quo. Standing alongside the former gladiator as he declared his vision of a Cybertron where all would be one were Starscream, Optimus, Soundwave, Arcee, Ratchet, and Shadowstriker. Optimus, at least, would soon become disillusioned with Megatron's actions, finding his friend's chosen course too violent and power-hungry; after a final confrontation with his old friend where he failed to sway him from his course, he fully broke away to chart a different path. Circa 66 million years ago, the Decepticons launched a plan to use Vector Sigma to reprogram the AllSpark, only for the Autobots to send it off Cybertron.2019 IDW continuity:The 'Ascenticon' faction began with Termagax, noted Cybertronian engineer and philosopher, in the aftermath of the War of the Threefold Spark. Dissatisfied with the way Cybertron had developed in response to the Nominus Edict, Termagax created the Ascenticon to become part of the Cybertronian senate and institute reforms, starting with scrapping the Edict. Termagax's student, a young firebrand named Megatron, became the first Senator of the Ascenticon faction.Over time, Termagax's dissatisfaction with Cybertronian society grew more extreme, until she eventually recused herself from society entirely, leaving the Ascenticons in Megatron's hands... just as the senator wished. Megatron shared his mentor's desire to get rid of what he saw as the restrictions on Cybertron's growth, but not her grassroots approach. Megatron began a scheme to make sure the Ascenticons rose to power, even if by mass deception.
>>124586165Megatron's scheme began with the creation of a sub-faction, called The Rise, composed of those radically opposed to the Edict, and the Autobot hegemony. The intent was to have the Rise creation friction, which would turn the Autobots increasingly fascistic, and therefore drum up support for the Ascenticon way. Unknown to all, Megatron had Shockwave returned from exile to whip the Rise into suitable shape. In the senate, the Ascenticons proved contentious, siding against the Autobots and Reversionist factions.In public, Megatron began giving rallies, gaining popular support while condemning the violence of the Rise. As the cycles passed, their rallies grew harder and harder to control as support for their cause grew and grew, with the most recent rally having injured a dozen people.Soon after, Ascenticons began branding themselves with the new insignia. Elsewhere, Soundwave approached Sentinel Prime, stating the Ascenticon viewpoint that the planet's situation dictated an immediate, accelerated election, which Sentinel angrily refused. Sentinel Prime made plans to arrest the Ascenticon leaders at an upcoming Senate session only for Heretech to reveal this to Megatron, driving the Ascenticon leader to accelerate his plans. When the Senate met, Megatron's forces attacked the building, overpowering the guards and taking the Senators hostage where Megatron cast aside the mantle of "Ascenticons" and adopted Sentinel's mocking moniker of "Decepticons". We Have Deceived You Now in control of Iacon, the Decepticons focused their attention on winning over those Cybertronians who controlled the everyday functions of society.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/idw-new-transformers-miniseries-wreckers-tread-and-circuitsMAKE ROOM FOR THE WRECKERS IN SERIES REVEAL FOR IDW'S ROWDY NEW 'TRANSFORMERS' MINISERIESBeginning this fall, IDW Publishing's ongoing Transformers comic book saga, chronicled from the earliest days of the devastating Cybertronian War, will erupt with the re-introduction of the fan-favorite, down-and-dirty Autobot special missions force in Transformers: Wreckers—Tread & Circuits — and SYFY WIRE is powering up an exclusive first look and series reveal at this latest sci-fi offering.These "Right Bots For the Job" will star in their own four-issue October miniseries written by David Mariotte (Transformers vs The Terminator, Sonic The Hedgehog) and illustrated by Jack Lawrence (Transformers: Lost Light), with surging colors courtesy of Candice Han from last year’s Transformers / Back to the Future crossover.“The Wreckers are an idea that comes from the comics—a team of Autobots willing to do what other Autobots wouldn't, and look cool as heck while doing it," says Mariotte in the official press release. "Every iteration has been a bit different, and with Jack and Candice on art, this one's going to be a gorgeous new take on who the Wreckers are and how they do what they do best.”The Tread & Circuits storyline offers a glimpse of life on remote colony worlds, far from the Cybertron War, where thrilling entertainment offerings are difficult to find! Fortunately, we can always count on the Wreckers, a fearless team of wild spy/daredevils who broadcast death-defying stunts and action as a cover for their covert operations.When the security detail of the Speedia 500, an actual race for governmental control of an entire world is threatened, the Wreckers accept a new challenge. They must band together to save the most widely-aired sporting event in the whole galaxy without getting exposed for their undercover affairs.
>>124583203Usually it's decepticons wanting an empire, autobots wanting a republic
>>124586217“I was collecting the UK Transformers comic when the first Wreckers story was published in 1986, and it’s so awesome to actually contribute to their legend,” adds Lawrence in the same press release. “The Wreckers have always felt like a pulp adventure team, and I'm excited to bring some of that feeling to these pages.”Transformers: Wreckers—Tread & Circuits #1 will be delivered with multiple cover variants by a trio of talented Transformers comic artists: Cover A by series artist Jack Lawrence, Cover B from Anna Malkova, and a Retailer Incentive edition showcasing artwork by Nick Roche.Now check out our exclusive interior art peek at IDW's premiere issue arriving this October!
>>124583203Same as COBRA vs Joes."Heroes trying to stop crazy genocidal maniacs" vs "The weak should fear the strong"
>>124586217>>124586235>The Wreckers, but as a quippy, quirky, GotG style teamNo, thanks.
>>124583203Purpose made Warbots doing what they were designed to do, fight a war.
>>124583476didn't it just turn into resource wars after the war dragged on for a few million years?
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>>124586423It used to, but nowadays it's all about the Allspark.
>>124586423Depends. Sometimes the dwindling resources are the cause of it while other times it's a byproduct of prolonged war. Of course you'd get shit like Armada and the hunt for Minicons.
>>124583346>>124583375>>124583582>>124583644>>124583973The G1 show makes enough sense, the Autobots were worker drones and the Decepticons were warbots. After revolting from their creators the warbots eventually turned on the weaker, smaller worker drones and tried enslaving them too. Cut to a few million years later and they have just been killing each other so long that it's basically their society now. Even in the show the leaders Optimus and Megatron were built during or late in the war after the fighting started.It never made a lot of sense for Megatron to be the rebelling low class worker
>>124586293>>124586272>>124586254>>124586235Way too happy for Wreckers. This is like the cast of Rescue Bots Academy going from their soft, kiddy training missions to being chucked into the smelter of war. Poor bastards.
>>124585095If this were true then Trypticon or Predaking would be the leader.
>>124583203One side is pro-Skub and the other is anti-Skub.
>>124586098What the shit! They’re really integrating female bots right from the beginning this time.Megatron has a female mentor. Strika and Pyra are great generals. Nova Storm is female. Arcee and Greenlight are dating. That little punk kid Gauge.
>>124586632Who would have thought 30 years ago that Transformers would end up having more female characters than G.I.Joe?
>>124583358No not really. Megatron wanted to overthrow traditional Cybertron castes.
>>124586632>Strika is a great generalThat's been her gimmick all the way back from Beast Machines. She fucks Lugnut
>>124586632>>124586653Seems like Go Bots was a bit more progressive making female bots common among the entire cast on both factions. They were pretty rare in Transformers.
>>124586714I did like that we finally got toys of the Elita One and her crew or Arcee.They just announced a Masterpiece toy of Nightbird. She started as a non transforming robot one-shot.
>>124586714True, they had Smallfoot, Crasher, and that space shuttle among the regular cast all the time. Before all the other semi regular recurring female bots throughout the show. Transformers got one in the movie, one more in Beast Wars, then it was touch and go after that with 1-2 maybe among the cast in each later series.
>>124583230>that one time they teamed up to beat up unicron, the foot lover
>>124586569People generally didn't like the idea of transformers being built and having predetermined ideologies.As early as Beast Wars, it was phased out in favor of Primus and the transformers being self-determining, "natural" robots.
>>124586814I do like how they overcame being slaves for the Quintessons though
>>124586811>then came Galvatron the inflator
>>124583203A fundamental disagreement with how to dismantle the Oppressive government that ran Cybertron, that turned into a war for resources.Should be noted, neither side was for KEEPING said government; because it was that goddamned bad. But one side wanted to reform and the other side just wanted to tear the whole thing down and replace it, effectively with a fascist junta.>>124584478The absolutely tragic thing is, that isn't the case. Megatron's ideal government was very different from the Functionists. Granted, he shifts most of the Tyranny off to organic life like us, but he was very steadfast in not being like the previous regime.Of course, he also commits a shitload of horrifying war crimes, so my heart only bleeds for him a bit. Specifically when Ravager dies.
>>124586569wasn't Megatron meant to be a gladiator?
>>124587331>other side just wanted to tear the whole thing down and replace it, effectively with a fascist junta>The absolutely tragic thing is, that isn't the caseMake up your mind
>>124583203In G1 the Decepticons believe Cybertronians to be the master race and that they should rule the universe while Autobots believe "freedom is the right of all sentient beings"
>>124587410No, originally Megatron was built by the Constructicons to be the ultimate warrior for the Decepticons. Then Optimus was built to counter him since he was more powerful than any Autobot.
>>124586427MOOOOOODS!!!!1!Kidding. I still remember anons (one or two) who flipped out in Bayverse one the kid who checked on the Autobot that crashed into her family pool had a pink pony. Or Hub commercials/trailers that showed pone.
>>124583203Megatron is an egomaniac showroom exploit any situation and make himself into the 'solution'.
>>124583768But what about blue???
>>124587962What about Rumble?
>>124584301Which continuites have Quints as the creators besides the original cartoon?
>>124586814The very first TF comic had them as naturally evolving mechanical lifeforms (eventually retconned as being caused by Primus).
>>124587921Fucking showroom?IMegatron is an egomaniac who will exploit any situation and make himself the 'solution'.
>>124585849>minicons can still be owned and housed in your chest cavity without their consent.This just sounds like TF porn.
>>124588298Only if you record over them, spewing your own data onto their supple tape reels.
>>124583203G1 Cartoon>military hardware vs civilian hardwareG1 Marvel Comic>system was already failing, city-states needed unity, Megatron wanted tyranny, Prime wanted freedomBayverse>Decepticons are basically Robot SatanistsUT>Decepticons want to conquer the universe but all their cool guys die so they end up with with low-tier criminalsIDW1/Prime>OLD ORDER BAD, how do i reformed govt?IDW2>Cucks vs Cuckers
>>124586427>not Unicron hinted at the endThey fucked it up
>>124586182Great post /thread
>>124585849>and were perfectly fine with owning human beingsWell, not quite. Thomas Jefferson pretty vocally decried slavery despite owning slaves himself."For in a warm climate, no man will labour for himself who can make another labour for him. This is so true, that of the proprietors of slaves a very small proportion indeed are ever seen to labour. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us [slaveowners] in such a contest."By all accounts, most of the Founding Fathers were well aware of the evil of slavery. They were also well aware that, at the time, it had become an indispensable institution to the American economy.Washington and Jefferson would probably not have even had careers in politics if they didn't have plantations to sustain them financially.That's a pretty fucked place to be.
>>124589681Was raping a 14 year old slave also indispensable to America? Because Jefferson did that too
>>124589694No, that's just fucked up. Men aren't angels, after all.My intent is not to exonerate Jefferson and co. for owning (or in this case, abusing) slaves. No matter how you slice it, it's evil, plain and simple. My point was that the irony of a nation dedicated to the freedom of all men supported substantially on African chattel slavery, as well as the difficulty to remove such an institution, was not lost on them.
Whats the deal with Predacons Vs. Maximals?
>>124585226Not exactly. You can make anarchists effective villains if you frame them as pure chaos-causers. Same with authoritarians that are socially left like Kilmonger
>>124589783>as well as the difficulty to remove such an institutionWashington literally moved his slaves around between states so he didn't have to free them. I don't really give a shit if the irony wasn't lost on them, they were monsters
>>124589783anon have you considered that there was no irony and the whole freedom thing was just patriotic bullshit and most of them just wanted to keep making profit with less taxes?
>>124589783What was the institutional difficulty when they broke the treaties they signed with the natives?Anon, what if they were just greedy?
>>124584305It was established back in 1985 that the "auto" part coms from autonomous, not cars. Autonomous robots, Auto-bots.
>>124583664Communism is inherently anti-freedom. If you don't want to work because you've managed to be self-sufficient, they throw you in gulags and force you to work. Communist countries have to build walls to keep people in, free countries have to build walls to keep people out.
>>124589850>OUR SHIT>THOSE FUCKERS
>>124583358quite the oppositemegatron is a communist revolutionary kinda like che
>>124588017The live action continuity (maybe)
>>124583203Autobots want to rape but Decepticons want to kill THEN rape!!!FACT!!!
>>124589926>>124589868This. It was a power grab to make rich richer. Most English taxes barely touched common Americans and the tolls later put in their place by the "free" government were much worse.
>>124589681Some hated it, some were fine with it, some found various ways to justify it. I'd say more on the issue but best to avoid something that might go full /pol/.
Transformers King Grimlock #1 preview
>>124584194That thug being Whirl of all people...
>>124585371on a random note, stamper showed up in a /g/ thread today
>>124589850>>124589974To be precise it's inheriting the generational baggage. Both are successors to Decepticons and Autobots respectably. The Autobots won the last great war and the Decepticons were salty over it but had to fit into the new reality that the Autobots (later Maximals and the Maximal Empire) created. In one probable origins story of the Predacons, the faction was created by one of the original Predacons, their leader Razorclaw, who used his old teams name for that. He wanted to use the Predacons to eliminate the Autobots and claim Cybertron for the Preds. Unfortunately when he was almost victorious, the Tripredacus Council waltzed in and threw a wrench in his plans.So yeah. It's essentially how Germany was salty over the results of WWI. But here replace Germans with Decepticons/Predacons.
>>124583664How? Maybe the caste system of the original autobots? But how does the freedom of others equate to communism?
>>124584422That's happening right now in real life. Look at all the rhetoric right now.
>>124591826And I believe Fortress Maximus Cerebros help create the Maximal group. That’s why they’re called Maximals.
>>124589850(BW) Megatron is like a KKK member with a time machine.
>>124586217>>124586235>>124586254>>124586272>>124586293These aren't Wrecker's, unless this is showing us how they go from naive noobs to hardened commandos.
>>124592039He fucking would declare himself grand wizard
>>124591935That is in beast wars uprising not normal beast wars
>>124586277>>124592063>>124586581Are you chucklefucks forgetting? This is how the new bots in Last Stand started out.
>>124586569That's not G1 lore. G1 lore was that the Decepticons started out as a new kind of flying Autobot and Optimus was reborn at the start of the war. Did you watch the time travel episode?
>>124592039How is the new toy?
>>124583203I'm glad someone else noticed that this is easily the weirdest never ending conflict in comics, at least to me, I've never quite understood why they're constantly at war, just that they are, of all the timeless nightmare worlds this one always weirded me out the most
>>124593161What do you think every iteration is the same single war?
>>124593189I know it's not but I feel like the constant using of the same heroes and villains makes it all kinda blur together, and they tend to have a relatively consistent characterization
>>124593122I hate that you can't disconnect the tail from the arm and the scale panels are kind of finicky to transform.Otherwise it's fine. The t-rex mode is amazing.
>>124585334I am now imagining a scenario where starscream actually becomes "trans" for a few episodes but it turns out its some elaborate plot to ursurp megatron and claim dominion on the galaxy.
>>124585334>THEY TURNED US INTO TRANNIES>TURNED US
>>124585334Anon it's TRANSformersYou really didn't check that?
>>124593161Cybertronians have been at war for 8 million years they aren't just going to stop.
>>124593205Let me put it this way>about forty years of material>spanning every imaginable media>multiple countries>mutliple companies>far, far too many writersThere is no singular plot. Not even Autobots vs Decepticons. That being said there really has been amazing consistency in characterization, more than any other franchise running this long.For a story about shapeshifters the ans sure love stasis.
>>124585334So you saying these formers are trans? What next, claiming the onicles as bi?
>>124593238Fuck off with your shitty discord, namefagging cocksucker.
>>124593289Wanna nut up her tran-cog with my baby butter
>>124593289>that awkward bent "bow" posedid Bruce Timm draw this?
>>124594107>awkwardIt can be pretty refreshing after a long period of standing still.
>>124586254>>124586272>>124586293>Minerva's absent in the fallCalled it, she's the medic. That's good, the Wreckers are one team that'd definitely need a (combat-capable) medic, no having to visit official doctors nor just bleeding out on the battlefield.>>124591627Prime's relatively calm with Grimlock, huh. A bit worried whether Grimlock'll take the mantle suddenly, but the cover makes it seem he just gets whisked to an elseworld.>pic semi-related, Marvel Optimus is disgruntled about the Dinobots
>>124583203To sell toys.
>>124594107It looks nice imo
>>124583599I wish Sentinel P. would let me bondage him.
>>124584082Didn't Cyberverse hint something similar?I think it wasn't mentioned he was a miner, but he was a gladiator and hero that later went into politics. Back then everybody was still siding with him (I wonder why, we don't know anything about the status of the government back then) and I think they never explicitly mentioned when he got crazy and why.CV Megs feels much more chill than most other Megatrons though.
>>124594807>>124594202I guess as a reference it works. But it still looks like they're just puffing their chests outward.
>>124583203IDW's first depiction of the war is my favorite. Decepticons are an anticlassist group made up of laborers and gladiators who preached self deterministic philosophy with a bit of an underlying kratocratic culture. Megatron's growing efforts against the government tempers his heart and makes him more callous and once the more sensitive and poetic bleeding heart aspect of his personality is lobotimized he starts employing and encouraging more violent terrorism in full force. Targets become indiscriminate, the Decepticons go full might makes right, and Megatron's goals and philosophies become megalomaniacal.Autobots are also mostly working class average joes who pick up a gun in response to the escalating violence of Decepticons who threaten peaceful life altogether instead of championing a sympathetic cause. It's a case of self defense that evolved into a conflict of control over society and the planet that escalates for several million years until it kills Cybertron and spreads far into space. All Autobots and Decepticons know anymore is Us vs Them as the reasons and motivations of the war become irrelevant to passing millions of years.I feel it was the best depiction of the war's escalation. Mixed with some details from Aligned continuity like Optimus being a simple Records Clerk and the events from the War and Fall of Cybertron games, it's my most ideal imagining of the war's progression. Great games. Play em.
>>124586811>>124586868dont forget hes a vore fag
>>124592063>>124592270i expect they will eventually become that group, probably once they start getting Impactor and the gang involved.
>>124594107DJW's aesthetic is an offshoot of Bruce Timm's.
>>124586217>>124586235I was never that conflicted about a TF comic I think.I am a huge Wreckers fan the first time they were ever mentioned which should have been the Marvel comics IIRC. And IDW's Wreckers were what got me into the fandom again after decades. But I feel like this will piss me off, though I might be wrong. Aileron is a big red flag for me and so are the strong women vibes the second cover is giving off. Not a fan of seeing Thunderclash and Lawrence for the Wreckers either. I would be alright with a Lawrence comedy series about Thunderclash, but not as artist for the Wreckers.The synopsis also sounds a bit generic and it makes it seem canon, which would make it worse. Right now there are thousands of bots dying brutally on Cybertron while evil is rising while this comic looks a bit like a wacky adventure episode from steven universe or something. All that while the very definition of the Wreckers should be some last resort military faction that does the things nobody else wants and dares to do. I really hope it's good, but if the first issue should start with Aileron being a lesbian and the smartass of the group I will ragedrop it. I am even interested seeing Mariotte finally writing a series on his own, mind you, but judging by his twitter he seems to be a diehard supporter of sjw and I actually mean sjw here, not lgbt+ in general or agreeing with minorities with problems.
>>124583476It's always been a combination of the three after IDW started writing. Decepticons start out as the good guys with Autobots being Fascists but it morphs as Megatron becomes more unhinged and powermad and the evil prime is deposed and replaced by Optimus who is a better person. Eventually it becomes sunk cost for the moderates on both sides as the true believers in Optimus and the original systems ideals become the Autobot hardliners and the psychopaths or especially bitter Decepticons make up Megatron's guys. Overall by the modern era they are both trying to save their race in different ways. Autobots believe they can work with humans to coexist and recover as they think of a way to save Cybertron while Decepticons believe they are the mightiest race (which in their universe they are) and as such have the right to take what they want to fix their home and rebuild the old empire. One wants to live peacefully in the galaxy and eventually rebuild as an intellectual civilization while the other wants a galactic empire as they once had and to bring back their imperial golden age. Bronze age mindset versus Natural rights.
>>124583450Nominus was right.
>>124584194He was still good back then, albeit angry. Even in the mines of Messantine where he got exiled to he genuinely believed in peace and the mass, not authoritarian power. I think something broke him when they threatened to close off the last mines, basically dooming all miners to their death and then having that one guy starting to get violent. Megatron then attacked the senator Decimus IIRC and killed him. After that he was deported but fled, but even then he was still hesitant killing people. He still was in the arena when he killed his first enemy because he had to. It was after that that something in him was broken beyond repair and he literally told this Sentinel when they were fighting.>>124584167Yeah in the IDW1 comics, particularly More than meets the Eyes.
>>124583203modern monarchism vs communism
>>124585375This is why I would throw my money at IDW if they would ever do a short-series about Nova Prime because it's exactly what his problem was.Sadly, IDW1 had the best chance to do it but they fucked it up by letting him be corrupted by the dead universe and return as insane villain. Wasted potential if you ask me. A clash of cultures would have been the best. Nova was probably still largely seen as historical hero, but his ideology doesn't match well with that of modern Autobots anymore.
>>124585334Damus was peak tranny. >becomes the polar opposite of what once was, including size and colors
>>124585334Considering Starscream prior to Prime had the body of a chad you might be on to something
>>124583203Auto bots are basically the rich 1% and intellectuals while the deceptions were literally the lower classes made for war and manual labor.
>>124584927I still can’t believe he touched a car car
>>124584927Are they now gay even in other media? They look so gay.
>>124583203It's all Prowl's fault
>>124600930IDW Prowl has the mindset of a functionist. There should be some three-part war one day. Functionists vs Cons vs Autobots. More or less what almost happened in IDW1 but they chose to skipp the first million years of war when Zeta was reigning.
>>124594107>bow pose>awkwardLMAO at the posturelet.
>>124592349Did you not watch season 3 that outright explained that the Decepticons were built to be sold as military hardware and autobots as worker hardware by the Quintessons?
>>124601616>Things that never happenednice fanfiction newfag
>>124600386i would fuck the shit outta that robot man
>>124601697Evil is sexy. SG Optimus needs more representation, I prefer him and Nova over Nemesis to be honest.
>>124586021>>124586054>>124586071>>124586087>>124586165>>124586182Deepest lore.Good read and I don’t even read or watch Transformers.
>>124583358Megatron is a commie though, hes fighting to overthow the class system
>>124586581I cannot imagine Wreckers to be in training. Wreckers are a result of an already existing war and military. They choose the strongest and toughest guys to assemble a special task force blow some sparks out of enemies that lost their right to be pardoned. Unless this is an absolutely new definition of the Wreckers that has not much to do with the teams we know this must take place in the future when the war is already raging for decades and the Autobots are in dire need to see some heads roll.But the preview doesn't look like that either. So I have no idea what it even is. Since we have the token lesbian as one of the mains I am sure nothing bad will happen to them anyway because plot armor and messages etc.
>>124583230But who's in the right?
>>124583230Prowl/Shockwave vs Galvatron/Thunderwing then?
>>124601635???But he's been telling the truth. Read here:>>124586021
Transformers #33 preview
>>124602508If you have to samefag just to have someone agreeing with you, then you not only have nothing, but are the most pathetic virgin in the thread while you are at it.
>>124583203You need good guys and bad guys to sell toys. Every reason given after is an excuse to try and make the conflict make sense.
>>124602910Who are the two drunk bots?
>>124591935In the 2006 IDW Beast Wars comic the Maximals existed previously as a sub-group of Autobots. Then they took over and downsized themselves and the remaining Autobots into their current bodies after all control of everyone went to the Prima Council.Also they created re-education camps for P.O.V.s because at that point there was still no Pax Cybertronia...needless to say BB hated being a guest there.
>>124603151The Seacon is Nautilator. He has the blue and grey, faceplate, and back leg bits on his back. It took a moment because it's a low rez image and my brain misread the pink and since some of the Seacons have pink I thought it was one of the others. The pink one I dunno.
>>124583203cuck vs conquest, thats all
>>124602910Something about Sixshot makes him feel like the Sentinel Prime of the Decepticons to me. Just slightly less hot-headed (unless he is on the phone).
>>124583469This but unironically
>>124602872I'm not the same person. I just wanted to show her that her information was correct. Why are you so angry?
>>124584478He simply accepted that Cybertronians are incapable of change.
>>124603394the pink one's Twirl
>>124602910WTF!!! Trickdiamond is in continuity now!!!!!So that means we could get MegaEmpress, Lunaclub, Flowspade and Moonheart too! But with western personalities and none of that kawaii shit!Damn son!
I'm writing a Transformers fapfic with Anon and Slipstream. Any requests in terms of Transformers references?
>>124605066“Shove it up her tailpipe!”“Uuuhhh, I’m… I’m about to slag!!!”
>>124602438The Head people that fucked off to a different planet during the war
>>124589868>>124589926>No one is ever complex or sincere but me, Anonymous, Cocksucker Supreme! Stay in school.
Is their a combiner team more fucked over then the Seacons?
>>124605066Do fembot fics also give the bots- you know. Both things? Like the malebot fics do. I mean I am not complaining I can imagine being more creative fucking my husbando that way.
>>124603644>that one who jumped on her
>>124589868There is no subjective contradiction between wanting "freedom" and owning slaves or peace and killing people. The trick is that such persons simply do not see certain people as people. Might sound weird but even nowadays many are thinking that way. I think a trick is cherry picking selection bias and all of that. If a person decides that a group is evil they will remember the cases in which one of them acted the way they expect it better than the many cases in which they don't, especially since negative events are easier to remember and get more attention. Now imagine things from times back, where news and different PoV weren't really a thing. I think it was easy for many of them to consider slaves not human when they never actually talked to them, maybe never even met slaves or only ever talked to them as a master that considered them working drones, like robots. Speaking of this I would like to see a more elaborated conflict between aliens and TFs like it was hinted in IDW1. In which the racism exists on both sides, with aliens having weapons of mass destruction and being ready to commit genocides while not viewing Cybertronians as proper people since to them they are just smart machines.
>>124606467The scream is real. Depending on where you read it, either she broke her leg there or reinjured a recent break. They kept in her reaction because of how realistic it was. kek
Was there ever a person that was a fan of Trion? He gets shilled so hard in half of all series and continuities as if he would bring in the money, but I never met a single fan of him.I think even Ramjet, Swerve and Sentinel Prime have more people simping for them.
>>1246028725 faces of darkness part 4, last 6 min has Hotrod inside the Matrix where Alpha Tryon explains the start of the great war, and while it's true that orion is reborn this isn't during the first great war, as there had been several already. The OG Cons were war machines but would allow fallen slaves to prove themselves capable of joining and Bot's would take war machines that were more heroic to protect them. By the time they leave cybertron they are purly factions and have no real meaning on biology
Someone wrote a review of Kingdom! (sounds like shit). There is a voice sample of BW Megs.https://www.geekcastradio.com/articles/review-of-transformers-war-for-cybertron-kingdom/>They do somewhat tease a new series after this but it’s vague and in the dark except for a key quote at the endI told you this shit won't end. We will get new trilogies of that stuff forever.
>>124601697Guess the artist achieved what they wanted then.
>>124605034She has already appeared in other previous editions.
>>124591785Which thread, anon?
>>124600386I think it's more like they're supposed to be dudebros but you know dudebots. Still better than the duobots.
>>124584739They at least tried to make things a bit more complicated this time around with Elita being on the not-yet-con side but she got drummed out and hard. They always had some wannabes, hangers on, dreamers, and dumbo(t)s who didn't know how bad things were going to get but since they've defacto won they're recruiting people who aren't bad just scared and handing them guns to use on those not yet scared enough to join up.I can't remember how this was handled in IDW1 where the Decepticons also won and controlled the planet for a bit. Been too long. Nothing tops Starscreams first shot at the throne when he had people resorting to cannibalism. Then they made him king of the whole damn planet later on.
>>124585226There are also fictional religious fundamentalists (which doesn't always involve conservatism if it's a new cult) and fictional murderous leftist revolutions inspired by the bolsheviks and Mao, which can't really be called conservative.Examples of religious fundamentalist villains that aren't conservative:The Leader's cult from the SimpsonsDeacon Blackfire's cult from BatmanVillains inspired by bloody leftist revolutionaries and leftist ideology:Blackstars (see pic attached) (also religious)Various fictional portrayals of Anarchists such as The Man Who Was ThursdayThe Government in Harrison BergeronThe Pigs in Animal FarmLotso in Toy Story 3, arguablyEcoterrorists:MCU ThanosThe guy from Secret Service/KingsmanRas Al GhulBureaucrats:The government guy from GhostbustersThe Alliance in Firefly/Serenity isn't really right wing, and is arguably portrayed/coded as left wing.and many more
>>124585305Most revolutionaries who turn out to be evil were always corrupt. They just knew that the movement was a road to power.Read this:https://www.econlib.org/could-such-a-man-care/
>>124606510Fuck, that's even funnier now.
>>124610938Yeah, I can't remember if it was on the DVD commentary for that episode or somewhere else but after that take the director was like, "Good job, Claudia" and she's just on the ground writhing in pain.
The autobots were good guys and the decepticons were bad guys
>>124583203Depends on the continuity.In the G1 cartoon, the Autobots were descended from civilian tech-products, whilst the Decepticons were descended from warbots. With the Quintessons kicked off, eventually the Decepticons figured that they should be in charge and tried to take over, which led to an on-and-off series of wars before we got the classic Optimus/Megatron clash. There are some hints it's literally inherent to the Decepticons; they were built to war, so they instinctively want to fight and conquer.In the G1 comics... I don't know, I think they were just largely evil because they descended from Robot Satan?Dreamwave comics pioneered the idea that the Decepticons started out as a rebellion against a corrupt, oppressive Autobot rule, only to go horribly off the rails and become worse than their former overlords, and every comic since has run with this idea.I don't know what the deal was with TF Prime or Animated.
>>124612448>PrimeMegatron was a miner-turned-gladiator and Optimus was an archivist, they then became friends and wanted to work together to reform the system so that shit like slave caste gladiators weren’t a thing any more. The ruling council was willing to hear things out because the two of them had a huge following, but ended up making Optimus the Prime because he was more peaceful. Megatron got pissed and led his followers, who became the Decepticons, into open war to tear down the system because it was obviously still holding him back, and in response Optimus raised his own army, the Autobots, to keep them all from falling under Megatron’s tyranny.>AnimatedSimilar to the above, Megatron was a power-hungry rebel/warlord and the Decepticons just wanted to follow him for more power. Autobots are the majority of the species and Cybertron is still around, with Prime being a normal rank instead of something particularly special.
>>124583203Oppression. The runaway military leadership wants to take over the factories and enslave the workers. And probably make them produce guns and bombs to take over the universe, but whatever plan the Decepticons had for a quick war broke down spectacularly, really quick.
>>124612554>Megatron was a miner-turned-gladiator and Optimus was an archivist, they then became friends and wanted to work together to reform the system so that shit like slave caste gladiators weren’t a thing any more.Do they show any of this like Dreamwave/IDW did or is it just lore dumping? Do we see the former rulers and society? I dopped this series back then tried to pick it up 10 years later and dropped it again since it seemed to just be a generic kiddy cartoon, but that would be cool.
>>124602438Unfortunately, ass. There is more honor to fight and die зa poдинy thean there is to simply look after one's жизнь.
>>124613760No we just get amnesiaPrime behaving like a cinnamon roll to Megs for a few episodes.
>>124614286And which episode showed all that?
IDW Transformers Comics Solicitations: October 2021Transformers: Wreckers — Tread & Circuits #1(W) David Mariotte (A/CA) Jack Lawrence (CA) Anna Malkova (CA) Nick RocheOut in the Cybertronian colonies, good entertainment is hard to find. Fortunately, there’s always the Wreckers-brave Cybertronians broadcasting death-defying stunts and action-all as a cover for undercover operations! When the only event bigger than a new Wreckers broadcast, the Speedia 500, a race for governmental control of a whole world, is threatened, the Wreckers have a new mission: Save the most viewed race in the galaxy… without getting caught. Wreck & Rule!Transformers Beast Wars TP(W) Erik Burnham (A/CA) Josh BurchamCelebrate 25 years of Beast Wars! The Maximals and the Predacons are back in this all-new series.“In the beginning came the beasts, and all that creeps, crawls and flies-but nature lies, they’re robots in disguise!” With this one line a whole new generation of Transformers toys and fans were created. Now, 25 years later, an all-new series brings your favorite characters back!In the future, the planet Cybertron belongs to the scientific-minded Maximals and the action-oriented Predacons! When a crew of Predacons, led by the successor to the Megatron name, steal a golden disk and a ship capable of traveling through time, it’s up to Optimus Primal and his Maximal crew-Rattrap, Rhinox, Cheetor, and new character Nyx-to catch them! Collects issues #1-6 of the 12-issue series.Transformers #36(W) Brian Ruckley (A/CA) Anna Malkova (CA) Red Powell (CA) Billie Montfort“Sea of Rust”, part three! The Autobots are outnumbered and surrounded in Termagax’s base with Decepticons on one side and the most deadly Cybertronian environment on the other. With an incredibly powerful artifact on the line–one that could turn the tide of the war in their favor–can the Autobots withstand the siege?
>>124614487Transformers: Beast Wars #9(W) Erik Burnham (A/CA) Josh Burcham (CA) Priscilla Tramontano (CA) Alex Milne“Thicker Skin”. The Predacons begin their hunt for other fallen protoform pods, containing potential reinforcements in their quest to crush the Maximals. But Skold, the Predacon powerhouse, is left behind because she’ll slow the mission down, at least according to Terrorsaur. When Skold encounters a pod on her own, it’ll be up to her to bring it to the Predacon’s side… or put it down for good.Transformers King Grimlock #3(W) Steve Orlando (A) Agustin Padilla (CA) Bryan Lee (A/CA) Agustin Padilla (CA) Maria WolfKing Grimlock rampages on! Confronted by the ghoulish host of the Red Wizard’s Army, Grimlock leads a band of villagers into a war against their ruler. But all is not what it seems near the Red Wizard’s compound. Will Grimlock lead them to freedom… or destruction?!Transformers Shattered Glass #3(W) Danny Lore (A) Guido Guidi (CA) Alex Milne (CA) Fico Ossio (CA) Sara Pitre-DurocherShattered Glass isn’t your average Transformers tale… “Shards” is the story of the ongoing battle between the power-hungry Autobot autocrats and the freedom-fighting Decepticon laborers. Join author Danny Lore (James Bond, King in Black: Captain America, Champions) in exploring this fractured alternate universe just before it shatters.In issue #3, Starscream seeks out more Decepticons to prevent another war that could destroy Cybertron, but memories of the past haunt every step. As the Autobots close in, Starscream must decide between peace for his planet and his former best friend
>>124614558Oh shit they're bringing in more already
>>124614586i feel like starscream is going to die in his issue
>>124614286So it's not in the cartoon as I said. Might read that though, it mentions Magnus and Sentinel and the past could be interesting.
>>124614558Who is this, I never watched BW. Looks as if Sentinel became a furry. Cool style though.>>124614586>>124614603>>124614625Those covers are fucking gorgeous.>>124614635The cover is a hommage to a Marvel cover with Megatron, so doesn't necessarily mean much.
>>124615135Thanks. How weird, never saw that guy before I think. But I like the snout and color.
>>124614558Oh shit, are they actually using toy-only characters?
Looking at the older Kiss Players in LegendsYou can really tell Marissa is the only non-asian
Another JP cover for the Classics volumes.
>>124615355Seems like he was in the comics. I skipped the BW and bay movie comics though, so I don't know what happened there.
>>124584301So how do you explain the few robots who end up defecting from one sude to the other? Shouldn't the codes prevent that from happening?
If the new SG comics doesn’t have this fucker in then I’ll be disappointed
>>124615674???This cover was revealed in May 2019.https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/17/hero-x-transformers-classics-vol-4-cover-revealed-388364
>>124615674Somehow, I can hear Transformers EVO while looking at it
>>124583203I thought it was because Decepticons deceived.
>>124616240Cool. Never saw it!Do such new prints of Marvel/UK exist in the west? I downloaded them but owning them physically would be quite cool. Think someone started a reprint once but it was discontinued halfway.
>>124616456No the CONcieve and are decent at it
There is a FT Bludgeon in the making.
>>124583203Good vs Evil.
>>124616817I can already hear Boco cooming
>>124618090Are these complete or are the UK parts missing? 8x~300 doesn't sound enough to cover all 300 issues.
>>124607140>We will get new trilogies of that stuff forever.yeah i had heard Legacy was being geared up as the next trilogy but im curious how it'll work since there's Prime and Armada character updates slated in the near future.
>>124618796It doesn't have the UK comics.