Thread for discussion creator owned western comics including webcomicsToday's NCBD discuss your pulls or weekly reading in general>Currently Reading>Planning on ReadingPrevious thread>>124551857
Storytime Anchor post for any storytimes today
>>124575081The old thread didn't even hit bump limit and you immediately made a new one? How pathethic...
>>124575206It got archived and I'm trying to help make /co/ a better board again
Oh cool! My friends had the creator as a professor for some cartooning classes they took in college. Really glad to hear he was able to make a buck off the book by selling the rights to netflix for a shitty live action version. That's living the dream if you ask me
Is Nemesis by Millar any good? Is this pre man of steel trauma or post?
>>124575081>Currently ReadingI don't know if it counts but I just read We only find then when they are dead and I'm interested to see how it continues
>>124575899I've seen people compare it to Unfunnies
>>124575244I was going to make one too but I realized that the threads should be more spread out through out the week.>>124575081I just caught up on Radiant Black and I'm reading Goon. I'm thinking of starting to read Hellboy ,deadly class and East of west.
How much capeshit do you think makes up comics ?
>>124576514Depends on what you meanAre we talking about right now or in all of history?America or Europe as well?Direct market only or do we expand to much more?
>>124575140Skybound X #3 storytime>>124575494
>>124576604>Are we talking about right now or in all of history?Right now in market America or Europe as well?Burgerland
>>124575081Surprisingly good and varied.
>>124576164In my defenseToday's WednesdayI made the last thread and this one as wellI just want to test the waters and regardless of what happens to this thread, I'm probably not gonna make the next>>124576783I'd say 50/50 unless I'm gravely mistakenThere are plenty of non Marvel and DC publishers and I'm seeing a lot more horror lately
>>124575140Jupiter's Legacy Requiem #2>>124569024
>>124576959>I just want to test the waters and regardless of what happens to this thread, I'm probably not gonna make the nextI'll probably make one on friday
>>124576851>Variant cover is Orange man bad. Dropped
>>124577048we gotta have a set day maybe
>>124577793>we gotta have a set day maybeFriday seems good
>>124575140Radiant Black Issue #6>>124577734
>>124576783Direct Market != Whole marketThere's shit like school book fairs that help Scholastic make bank
>>124578820Oh shit I forgot about book fairs.
What did he say about his mother /croc/ ?
>>124579696Must be something especially terrible considering Franky's mom was a bad woman IIRC
>>124575140Shadecraft Issue #5>>124579198>>124577863>>124577048If we do these every Friday we can assort all the storytimes that happened during the week
>>124580048Do you want to start a discord server like /hyw/ ? If people want to continue to discuss shit after a thread is archived we can always continue it on the server.
>>124579696"Ark! Ark! Ark! Ark! Ark! Ark! Ark!"
>>124580193Eh, you guys can do that without meI prefer using my Discord account just to communicate with friends I know in real life and for classes I'm taking at UniI don't really use it for anything elseBesides, I wouldn't want to turn this place into a circlejerk that risks having drama but if you guys can pull it off be my guest
>>124575081Bless you OP. The indie creator-owned scene has some good stuff that people don't talk about nearly enough. Alterna Comics has a mixed bag, but you can find some real gems.Geronimo's Blood Realm wears its influences on its sleeve (Dark Souls, Samurai Jack, medieval stained glass windows) and despite having less developed action than I hoped, the art direction was still pretty damn cool. Especially when you consider it's a one-man comic.
>>124580260TAKE THAT BACK ANON
>>124580406Here's a page from the first volume.I recently ordered the second volume, but Alterna's not buddy-buddy with Diamond so who knows when it'll arrive.Anyone who's thinking of buying, Alterna has trades that are glossy and "Giants" that are newsprint. The Blood Realm "Giants" are newsprint.
>>124580406Does Alterna get scanned?The unfortunate reality is that creator owned stuff is hard to discuss here to begin with but its made worse when its not scanned for storytimes
>>124580260I didn't know there were so many ways to call someone a faggot
>>124580475You can find some older comics of theirs, but not the newers ones.I'd still recommend buying Alterna comics, especially because they're keeping the prices low. They got digital and physical on their website, but the digitals come a bit later, a few months after the floppies. And the older digitals are about $1.00, so it's pretty much worth it. So far I triedThey also have a policy of keeping every title a one-shot or a mini-series of about 4 issues, so the writers need to wrap things up somehow very quickly. If nothing else, they're not "writing for the trades".
Does this count as creator-owned? If so, what does everyone think of it?
I’m sort of mixed on jupiter’s legacy right now. I did finish the first two issues and plan on binging the rest after I get done at the gym. I really felt with the son about the feeling of having a father thats hates what you embody.
>>124580795Skybound is 50/50 between the creator and publisherIt still passes
>>124575081>>Currently ReadingTuki by Jeff Smith just got the digital copy from the Kickstarter >>Planning on ReadingPic related
This was a neat page
Does anybody remember that comic about that cowboy talking about the end of the wild west?
>>124581211East of West?Black Jack Ketchum?Bouncer?Century West?I'm just throwing out westerns(?) I recall.
>>124581031I couldn't remember the artist's name if you pulled out a gun, but his work is phenomenal. He also did art on Limbo (Image) and it was a neat foray into voodoo.
If nobody else does it, I'm gonna storytime M.O.M. later today
>>124580406The last thread didn't hit bump limit so we don't know how much momentum we can carry
>>124581696Most people only care about industry drama so they won't open the thread.But try making a new thread on the first Wednesday of any given month for a few months. If the interest is there, people will naturally come to the thread.
>>124580260This is a blue board
>>124580878Congrats Anon, you're more ahead with the plot than the cancelled Netflix series
Should we include webtoons in these threads ?Their website says that the ownership of the comics belongs to the creator.
>>124582500Yeah sure, webcomics are allowedBasically whatever can't be discussed on /a/
>>124575899Pre-Man of Steel
>>124581011Hold on, Jeff Smith did another comic? I hadn't heard that.
>>124582531>allowedthere's that word again faggot
>>124581838Please man, I just want a general to talk about comics please. Im tired of having the same pedo/coomer bait, political comic, toddler cartoons, waifu fagging and other garbage threads. Im only here still for the occasional good discussion or 3x3 thread.
>>124582652>Please man, I just want a general to talk about comics please. Im tired of having the same pedo/coomer bait, political comic, toddler cartoons, waifu fagging and other garbage threads. Im only here still for the occasional good discussion or 3x3 thread.Well come to the suffering train. I'm genuinely thinking of sacrificing my humanity and becoming a Jannie just prune all the east vs west threads and muh feminist threads.
>>124582652We all do but if we couldn't keep the last thread alive, what are the odds of sustainability?We're the minority and we desperately need new blood who do care about comics
>>124582728Well you shouldn't have any problemsIts probably all empty seats
>>124582749Then well keep pushing foward. Fuck it , if were consistent we'll be able to create a sizable group of who are interested in comics.
>>124582576https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tuki/tuki-fight-for-fireThe kickstarter is over but I'm sure it will be available in stores at some point point. They just sent out a pdf of the the 1st book. Maybe I can story time it soon when I get a chance and if captcha doesn't kill me
>>124582652Just do what I suggested and we'll see how it develops.If people don't want to talk about comics outside of coom and outrage, then grab your liquor of choice and numb the pain.
>>124582728Video related is how I feel when a good comic discussion thread gets killed and replaced by a thread about [insert tumblr tier web cartoon, toddler cartoon, boobies titties makes me do coomies, political industry nonsense] https://youtu.be/DLY89DleD1I >>124582749I feel like comics as a industry aren’t respected, I seriously wish we did a mass split up like video games did. Make a cape board, non cape board and a simple cartoon board. I don’t hate the said cartoon threads but I just hate these stupid ass threads about these toddler cartoons or coomer shit.
>>124583201https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE I know its overuse but it applies to this situation.
>>124583236Yeah the last indie book is thread was probably died for the 87th mad at he-man or fat starfire thread
>>124583310>Yeah the last indie book is thread was probably died for the 87th mad at he-man or fat starfire threadWhy are people so assblasted at the idea of a bunch of AU YA books thats targeted towards fatties. Literally ignore it and it'll crumble away.
real good series for my zirittheads out there
>>124583236My concern with board splitting is thisCartoons are /pw/Comics are /xs/A board split doesn't guarantee better moderation either so shit like East vs West threads are likelier to stay up even longer
>>124583368Because its literally one of the only comic they knowPeople are more aware of and eager to discuss that shitty New Warriors that never came out than say Beta Ray Bill
>>124583475>People are more aware of and eager to discuss that shitty New Warriors that never came out than say Beta Ray BillDaniel Warren Johnson is a god The guy knows how mix east and west really well. I'd post it but this is no big 2. he did a short story for superman and it literally made me cry and I'm the type of guy that'll laugh at a horrific moment while watching movies.
>>124583236It took until Storyman storytiming for us to have a long lasting Something is Killing the Children ThreadThat title isn't even brand new, its been a praised title for years that's popular in every other comic discussion circle yet /co/ barely if not never talked about it until recentlyEven without storytimed you'd think we'd still have more people keeping up with it on their own
>>124583257It's trite under certain circumstances, but it resonates right now.I've nothing going in my life except the comics I read and the comics I make. Game nights with friends are starting to annoy me, video games aren't as fun, movies are boring... Comics are the only good part left. I will not give up because that would be giving up on my own existence. I'm not ready for suicide just yet.Thanks for reading my blog post.
>>124583570We have to do a Goon story time binge sometime.
>>124583236You know what gets to me the most?We,have lurkersFrom twitter, to Knowyourmeme, etc who go here to get funny screencaps and memes These same assholes are the people pushing for more and sharing outrage bullcrap because that's literally the only thing (aside from memes) they get when coming to /co/ regarding comicsThey've been on this board for years now and yet they still can't get why this place hates outrage YouTubers who profit from being the TMZs of /co/
>>124583570To be fair SKC looks like just another Netflix series script in comic form, so it's forgivable that people don't give a shit.A lot of comics are failed scripts these days.
>>124583593Keep fucking going anon. Work on your art and read more comics.
>>124583310>>124583432>>124583475>>124583570>>124583639Im soooooo fucking tired of outrage threads and outrage comic news. >>124583411That looks pretty neat
>>124583658There's nothing wrong with wanting an adaptation if the comic still,holds up on its ownManga and Light Novels are made to get anime adaptations and its encouragedIf the adaptations for comics are more for animation, we'd be singing a different tune
>>124583658I wouldn't say that. I mean Remender is a boss for continuing deadly class after season 1 got canned.
>>124583674That's the plan, my man.Already got some scripts done, a few ideas on the back burner, and I'm inking the backgrounds of a comic that I'll hopefully get published professionally.It's a purpose and it's better than the nihilistic void used to be there.
>>124583720I legitmately think animated adaptations are going to save the comic book industry and Kirkman is going to lead us to it. I don't think he's a genius writer (he's above average) but he's one of the greatest business men in the industry and thats a fucking fact.You don't get two major brands without being a little bit smart.
>>124583720>>124583723The issue isn't the authors wanting an adaptation, but the authors treating the comic as a sort of elevator pitch for the eventual ("guaranteed" in their minds) TV series. Everything feels like a script's pacing transplanted poorly into a comic.
>>124583743God I got to start writing now . I've been putting of for months .
>>124583743>Tfw working on multiple scripts at once>One for my ongoing webcomic, another for next issue of an indie book I'm about to launch >Third is for a pitch>Pitch has me stuck the most cause I got approached asking if I wanted to pitch project after I posted designs on social media >Me and co-writer have the characters figured out, find them fun to write but the problem is our plot feels too jumbled >Restarted draft on pitch twice cause wasn't feeling either. Honestly not expecting to get picked but shaky that if we do get picked up we'll be going in with a story that's half bakedLong story short, I got too much shit on my plate and I feel dumb for putting myself here. Thankfully I'm not on any deadlines.
>>124584056How do you even write scripts?
>Find a /croc/ you love>It’s on Hiatus>The creator is doing something else at somewhere elseSaga, Southern Bastards, Diesel... Happens every time bros
>>124580465You're in for a treat. In the second volume he starts using more paneling instead of every page being a splash.
Are there any long running fantasy series out there other then saga and birthright.
>>124584170than looks interesting
I'm story timing Walt Simonson's Ragnarok . Join if your down. >>124584910
>>124584170>Southern BastardsIt's not like coming back
>>124584170Happens often with webcomics as wellhttp://hardycases.com/archives/comic/sr1-one-last-mealThe guy who made this did one of my favorite Nuzlocke comics when I was a kid (I'm 21 now)
>>124583658Jokes on youIt got picked up for a Netflix series
It’s actually good to see that this board is getting filled with storytime threads. Hope this trend goes longer.
>>124580878I just finished the first series, ehhhhh its alright, I had mild interest in it but felt sorta rush. I’ll probably read the sequels once I finish a couple more on my backlog.
>>124575140>>124581330Storytiming M.O.M. right now>>124586178
>>124584915I just finished my Story time . Check it out I guess ?
>The more indie comics I read the more I don’t wanna read the big two Is it really continuity that drags down the big two (mostly marvel) I can practically jump into any DC comic just fine but there’s something so much fun reading about a universe you know nothing about.
>>124584170For some reason, Westerners prefer to just not end things instead of rushed endings, which is dumb because rushed ending is better that no ending.
>>124586831>Is it really continuity that drags down the big two (mostly marvel) I can practically jump into any DC comic just fine but there’s something so much fun reading about a universe you know nothing about.I get that feeling. Around middle school I took a break from the big 2 and only read indie , manhwa and manga.
>>124586874I'm a college student that wants to read comics and put a stop in manga, but its very hard to find actually finished comics that covey topics I like
>>124586566It has some beautiful arts. And has that nice vibe that I loved about Simonson’s run on Thor. Thanks!
>>124586939I went through a bad jojo phase in my sophomore year, got back into cape stuff three years ago.
>>124586963Jesus christ are you me ? I had that phase in my 8th grade year of course. I thought Araki could do no wrong at that point in my life.>>124586939Don't stop with manga man. You need a balance of Big 2 , indie , Manhwa and Manga so you won't get burnt out.
>>124586963Jojo is honestly the more "comic esque" manga, its deliberately western-like. I personally want to read comics that I could like, oddly, my favorite experiences are STILL Cape stuff. I just...I just really like seeing superpowered beings beating the crap of each other, add all the crazy lore there too, but keep the fighting men.
>>124587023I think Jojo is alright and it had some affect on my writing style but HxH is now my favorite anime/manga. Id say Araki is the Morrison of manga maybe. Steel ball run is the only one I liked. What the hell is manwha? I got burnt out of the big two probably because I was reading two runs from both at the same time. Starman and Astro city which I plan on finishing these two as they don’t really burn me out and I enjoy astro city and Brubaker Cap and some other book I forgot. The last things I read from the big two were Silver Surfer requiem which is amazing and Longbow hunters. >>124587026Oh god don’t get me started, if somebody brings up anything Flash, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Superman and any other character(s) I go autistic.
>>124587159>Oh god don’t get me started, if somebody brings up anything Flash, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Superman and any other character(s) I go autistic.Yep, its just something I don't understand. I definitely enjoy reading a lot of experimental stuff, but because they are so...short, they don't leave on me a...impact, to put it in a way.Heck, I like a fair amount of the Watchtmen wannabes
>>124587023THISComics of all kinds have gemsBeing born in a certain country doesn't dictate talent and if you limit yourself, you're missing out
>>124587026To me manga has better fight scenes (not trying to start a east vs west here) but capeshit to me has given me more stronger emotional reactions. Peter and Franklin talking about their dead uncles , Laura confronting Logan and her crying out her pain , Superman fighting to protect his son's life and literally anything Busiek has written. The only other that has gotten me as emotional as capeshit is Oda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npufTv1ifNg
>>124587234I think the issue here is that the monopoly of the big two means that a lot of the new blood rarely can be actually free
>>124587303I agree , my ideal comic book market is 40-50 capeshit and 50-60 /croc/.
>>124587159>Id say Araki is the Morrison of manga maybeI think of Nisoisin as the Japanese Morrison.
>>124587303Its a vicious cycle>Person wants to get into comics>Comics exists for person's tastes>Person isn't a superhero fan and doesn't like massive continuities>Person assumes comics are just that and only that>Person's only exposure from discussion already surrounding comics are those comics they don't like>Person ignores the medium entirely and those ignores comics perfect for them >Repeat
>>124587374This is why I like guys For the love of comics. He truly sees what comic are really are. He doesn't make distinction between American , Euro or Japanese. He sees them as comics. https://www.youtube.com/c/FortheLoveofComics/videos
>>124587420I wish I could do that, I'm not even American but I can't avoid thinking on comics as reflections of their "national character" (I know I sound like a /pol/ack)
>>124587159>I think Jojo is alright and it had some affect on my writing style but HxH is now my favorite anime/manga.I swear to god , I think Togashi would be happier and the fans would happier if he adapted Hickman's chart fetish. Instead of characters monologuing about power systems , Togashi can use a in universe data sheet to spill all his worldbuilding.
>>124587357What has we wrote?
>>124587468Romance shit from what I've seen>>124587357Nah , Araki and Morrison are legitimately insane thats why we love them both. They're always trying get away with the craziest shit.
>>124587498>Romance shit from what I've seenHe also writes a lot of meta stuff.> Araki is insane.Nah, Araki is actually just a westaboo, he isn't a larping basedman like Morrison.
>>124587519Fucking the plot of Stone Ocean and Steel ball run gives me a head ache. If you want a real westaboo go read Keyman. Its pretends to be a superhero story in the first chapter then devolves into a american style occult hardboiled detective story.
>>124587468The most Morrison-esque thing he's done is Medaka Box, which features an arc where the protagonist (designated as a "protagonist" in-universe and therefore unable to lose as part of her powerset) becomes a villain and the side characters need to change the genre of the story from battle manga to romcom so they can stop her without fighting.
>>124587568>gives me a head ache....? Anon, those stories are fairly simple to understand, the only real "this doesn't make sense" is how some stands works and its very clearly something you're not meant to care.
>>124587608>...? Anon, those stories are fairly simple to understand, the only real "this doesn't make sense" is how some stands works and its very clearly something you're not meant to care.Yeah your right , I haven't read Araki in a while though. Speaking of Araki , why do half of his endings for his runs end with asspulls. The only one that was fine with me is Steelball run.
>>124587661>why do half of his endings for his runs end with asspulls.Because manga endings usually are rushed af, but they at least like, end.
About to read this what am I in for?
>>124587707>Because manga endings usually are rushed af, but they at least like, end.Comics do have endings. You just have to start treating comic books runs as their own books.
>>124587720Kirkman made a promise by Issue 75 as a jokeHe lives up to it
>>124587720Excitement then disappointment then excitement then disappointment then excitement then just meh for the rest of the run.
>>124587736I do that when discussing cape stuff, I mean about /croc/, the amount of series that are still on "hiatus" is absurd.
>>124587736>>124587768>>124587755who is the best character is the series?
>>124587707You're on /croc/Not every comic was made to last foreverA lot of them last a few issues and conclude
>>124587810I mean that there is a absurd amount of hiatus here.
>>124577483>someone made fun of daddy so i can't read it!Cry more pussy
>>124587780Just to clarify My post was the second reply and I just saw your post clarifying what you meantI agree that a lot of series' still on hiatus is asinine but there's also stuff outside of the direct market and there's still EuropeThere are still limited series that are short but have the full plot outlined
>>124587829>>124587780But most popular ones always finish plus you got to keep mind a lot of them have jobs at big 2 companies.
Oh look we passed the reply count of the last croc thread.
>>124587831The lefties are the ones crying about the orange man since they can't seem to stop mentioning him
>>124587831>>124577483>>124587996Lets please not do this . Literally create another thread if you guys want to argue.
Anyone got an update when EVS will release part 2?
>>124588052I thought you were already doing that?Wouldn't he update on his backers?
>>124588068it says it's locked just wondering when it will ship
>>124588026I don’t like politics in comics, I already deal with them enough on this board
>>124580475Nothing actually gets scanned these days, if people can't rip it from digital they don't even bother. Back when I was pirating comics we got pubes in the gutter and we were happy about it!
>>124588156Fine but lets not derail this thread like the first /croc/ thread. They're literally 15 to 20 threads like that.
>>124588184A guy that scanned Bloodhoney also did a pair of The Twilight Zone comicshttps://desuarchive.org/co/thread/124091006/#124094138
>>124580260"Ark! Ark! Ark! Ark!" to you douchebag
best /croc/ crossover ?
>>124587026>>124587159JoJo feels western because of the massive influence of western movies. A lot of the encounters throughout JoJo are copied movie scenes with everything refitted into a stand fight.It was never that magical for me because I knew this from the start, but I did like it at one point. >Id say Araki is the Morrison of mangaNo, they are quite different. A lot of Morrison is a response to previous comic book works, while Araki is a lot more straightforward with his narrative. The seinen parts of JoJo are more referential, but it stops at callbacks to his own work.
>>124588513DefinitelyI also loved the Metalocalypse crossover
>>124584097Different anon. https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/darkhorse08/company/submissions/ghost_sample_comic_script.pdfThis is a pretty good template to follow, though its not standard. There's not really a standard script format like there is with film, and it varies between publishers and even creators. For the most part it's what I follow, but I've also only done self-published work so I'm not the best resource for this.
>>124587592>>124587468Pic related, the「Final Boss」 character offers a supporting character a chance to become a 「Protagonist」 by giving him a special ability. She warns him not to become too powerful because that will make him a final boss type(and therefore destined to always lose to the heroes), and he decides to get the ability to cancel out plot armor.
>>124588993Forgot the picture.
>>124582749I am a longtime lurker who's heavily interested in this thread's survival. I'll start actually contributing to try keep it alive.
What is Kirkman's magnum opus Invincible or TWD?
More long running series like >>124589075?
>>124589321anything by kirkman he's unironaclly the indie torchbearer
>>124589321How many issues we talking?
I've seen some ads hyping up EcholandsIs the team good?
>>124588513I thought that one was mediocre.There are probably many better examples.
>>124589372Woah, 300. Sounds massive even for me.Like, over 20 to be honest. >>124589360He might be cringe sometimes, but overall he is a positive for me
>>124587206>its just something I don't understandI'll solve that problem for you. You're low brow trying to dabble in high brow.
>>124589659>He might be cringe sometimes, but overall he is a positive for meHe's the only indie creator that seems to gain mainstream traction, he helps the medium, he deserves respect for that
>>124589659Chew, The Goon, The Maxx, Hellboy, Usagi Yojimbo, Saga, etcGoing past 20 issues isn't that uncommmon
>>124575081First time posting here, I know not ALL of the comics in this image are creator owner, but enough are that I think this would be a good place to ask for recommendation.I tend to love Fantasy and Horror. I've caught the begining of the Something is Killing the Children Storytime and that one looks quite good. There's also this Fantasy-Western one I think called Manifest Destiny that had very good art.Really I want to know what's "hot" in the non-mainstream Marvel/DC sceneIt doesn't even have to be Horror or Fantasy, I'll read anything as long as the art it good/interesting>>124580406This looks really rad.I might check it out, though I hope it's not too derivativeCoda is also one I've been looking to get my hands on>>124584387Oh boy have I got recommendations for you.Bone is an absolute MUST if you want a great Epic Fantasy adventure; I'd recommend buying the black & white single volumeCerebus the Aardvark is the absolute pinacle of the genre for comics. It's 300 issues long (16 volumes) and probably the most ambitious story ever told in the mediumElf Quest is just really fuckin good. I didn't really know what to expect as I thought it was going to be a somewhat generic fantasy adventure, but the worldbuilding is just so interesting.Fables (and I know this is a contentious one) is also one I can recommend the first 75 issues with no reservation. I don't think I've seen another comic use it's ENORMOUS cast so effectively; giving everyone their turn to shine (shame about the second half)>>124587787Man, it's been a while since I've read it. But I remember liking Rick & Michonne a lot
>>124589693There's also Mark Millar and now maybe Garth Ennis considering how popular The Goon isAlso that's just direct market, Dav Pilkey is popular
>>124589715>There's also Mark Millar and now maybe Garth EnnisThey maybe popular to comic fans but the average normie doesn't know their works, the walking dead and invincible are pretty much very well known now
>>124589703I know its not super uncommon, but I rarely find a reliable catalog for that.
>>124589360Maybe he wanted good comics...
>>124589760don't be pretentious lad
>>124589770You're pretentious if you don't like Kirkman? Ok, commie.
>>124589728Dude, The Boys is huge now
>>124589794I remember Kick-Ass also became huge for a while after the movie
>>124589728People love Kingsman, dude.
>Tmw spent the entire half of today binge reading a series that wasn’t on my backlogJupiter’s legacy was alright. Flying fox was the only like able character to me. I thought the utopian’s daughter was a punk qt. I might read Goons since I heard thats good or idk ANYTHING that isn’t cape. I can see why you anons get burnt out on them. For a good idea of what im feeling to read next, heres a small list.>American vampire>Undiscovered country >Y the last man >Atomic robo >East west >Godland Convince to read one of these series or convince me to read one I never read before.
>>124589794>>124589826that's true forgot about that stuff
>>124589837Catch up on Beta Ray Bill by Daniel Warren Johnson and then tell me that again. No need to be pretentious about it, we all like creator owned comics here.
>>124589915Anon he's just burnt out on capesYou can get burnt out on a thing you like
>>124589915>>124589945Capes are a drug man, I forgot he had a mini right now, I wanna read that juggernaut one. I wouldn’t consider Thor and even the FF as cape honestly. They have cape ideas but Thor is stilly fantasy/sci fi and the FF is still sci fi. Thats like saying new gods are cape all because they’re connected to DC
>>124590040>Thats like saying new gods are cape all because they’re connected to DCThey are. And so with Lucifer and the Endless.
>>124590062Well its like a genre in that universe.
>>124590040>>124590062I doubt Ennis would call his Punisher titles cape
>>124590120> Man puts into a costume and fights criminals, some of whom also use weird costumes.Its a cape.
>>124590120Thats what im saying, its in a cape universe sure? General structure to be a cape but is something on its own. Punisher isn’t a superhero but a gritty comic about a lonely man trying to save lives not in the most heroic way.
>>124590062Is Trouble cape?
>>124587420I also recommend Earl GreyHis playlists are so organizedhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1ZtauWih38Lr1aVEXuZybw/playlists
I just read Huck. So the ultimate edgelord of comics, Mark Millar wrote this in response to the Man Of Steel movie? This reminds me, if the bully in your classroom says “Dude that’s mean”, that guy is seriously fucking up whatever he is doing.
>>124590506I thought Ennis was edgier?
>>124590506It was a pretty shitty comic and his reaction to that movie was spergy as fuck. Ironically, he was the one that needed to chill out.
>>124589659Descender and its sequel Ascender
Do Australians make good comics?
>>124575899>Is Nemesis by Millar any good? Is this pre man of steel trauma or post?It makes kickass look like shit. I think it's stupidly entertaining at best.>>124575974Yes. It's a multiple time storytme of pain selection.>>124580193No. Seems like a drama magnet. And we're not exactly hitting bump limit anyways, and there's not exactly anything to organize. But if you think it's useful, just do it.>>124580795I only read one or two issues. Felt much more go nagai than ultraman with the RIPPING AND TEARING. Not my thing. Might give it another chance in a trade or two.>>124583368I am convinced at least some of it is done to either promote the work, or to promote youtube channels or discussion channels about it.>>124591057Hanselman is aussie right?
/croc/-Creator Owned Comics I'm currently reading>Blacksad>The Walking Dead>Cyberfrog>Geigerrate lads
>>124591321fuck you nigger, thanks for the rate though
>>124589837I thought Y the last man was shit, had that annoying quipy smarmy writing style. >>124591256got excited for a second and thought there was some hr geiger comic I wasn't aware of
>>124587787Glenn and Carl Glenn because he's asian and I self inserted as him and Carl because I also self inserted as him when I was a middle schooler when I read the books.
>>124584170Who ever recommended Diesel to me, thank you very much. It was a super satisfying read.
>>124592561Does it get a proper ending ?
What are some small /croc/ publishers should I look out for ?
>>124592561You’re welcome anon! I’m very glad that you enjoyed it too. It’s a shame that the 2nd book is not coming out, because this books had so much potential.>>124592590Nope. And it breaks my heart because of that.
>>124591256Blacksad is good
>>124586865I disagree. No ending is better because it leaves the series on a bittersweet note, instead of a shitty one. >>124584170>>124585338Latour just had to start trouble. Although issue #20 had a lame ending with Roberta letting Boss live.
>>124586831It's not continuity per se. Continuity is good for returning readers.The problem is that Marvel and DC have explored practically everything about their universes by this point. You might get a unique story now and again like Immortal Hulk, but everything else is nothing more than a slight twist on something already established.>Dr. Strange has to deal with a new and unknown threat.It's Dr. Doom teaming up with Dormamu.>there's portals popping up all across the US, and nobody knows why.It's the Negative Zone on the fritz. >A mysterious person with mysterious powers has been plaguing our hero.It's a mutant.
>>124587720After the prison arc is just a repeat of the same plot point and it doesn't go anywhere.>We've found a safe place>There's people here>But the people aren't as friendly as we thought>Zombies attack>Humans attack>Humans are the real monsters>Move to a new safe place>There's people hereAfter a while not even the characters feel like they're people. They become paper-thin dialogue dispensers and drama creation machines.
>>124589712You can tell where exactly Dark Souls influenced his comic, but not enough to where it feels like a ripoff.
I need more recommendations for /croc/ publishers ?
>>124596040I'm not 100% certain if they're all creator owned, but they are indie.Ablaze ComicsAftershock ComicsAhoy ComicsAction Lab ComicsAlbatross Funnybooks (where Eric Powell is published now)AWA StudiosBehemoth ComicsBinge BooksBlack Mask ComicsScout ComicsSecond Sight PublishingSource Point PressVault Comics
>>124596146>>124596040Also Alterna Comics.
Am I the only one faggot here that reads everything from Terry Moore?
>>124596184What kind of stories does he do ?
>>124596238His biggest and best is strangers in paradise which starts out slice of life with some thriller added later. He also did horror (Rachel Rising), sci fi (echo) and his current one is serial. that's about a demon child hunting for a killer.If you get upset by strong female characters I wouldn't recommend him, but Ive always at least enjoyed everything he's done
>>124576771Is Art Adams the most underrated artist in capeshit?
>>124580795>James HarrenI just got to his BPRD stuff this past week. I went from not knowing who he is to making something with his name on it an instant pickup.So, picked the fuck up. Thanks.
>>124591022Finished Descender this week by the way, good read
>>124596529>If you get upset by strong female characters I wouldn't recommend him, but Ive always at least enjoyed everything he's doneWhy would I be ? I'm not the asshole that spams the amazing spiderman threads.
>>124596529I once tried reading Rachel Rising, but it felt like he was trying to ride the line between realism and the supernatural, so neither side was interesting.Sam Keith does better female protagonists.
>>124597278>Sam Keith does better female protagonists.I'd agree with you when comparing the characters from Rachel Rising but disagree about the ones from Strangers in Paradise
>>124596890Ascender is ending in AugustHave you started it?
>>124597586Is it good ?
>>124597667Haven't just curious if you started Descender is something I haven't began reading yet
>>124576771They need to get the show's actors to voice some of these
>>124596040Boom, oni press, selfmadehero, tko studios, non-foreign stuff from fantagraphics and drawn and quarterly, behemoth, ablaze, idw's top shelf productions imprint.
>>124591256Only blacksad is good from there. I want to make a list of recommendations from image comics, they publish a lot of mediocre content but also got some gems.
Dear god , I'm mad at myself for not discovering Goon so early on.
>>124598402Goon was a /co/lassic for a long time. It’s kind of weird to realize it’s fallen out of the zeitgeist, and did so long ago.Taking a 5+ year long break from a board and coming back feels like you’re visiting another planet.
>>124598402>2004>This is still relevant>If not, even more than ever beforePowell fucking knewHe always knew
>>124598470Who cares about the Eisners?It's only good as an advertising sticker and nothing else.
>>124598513Do japs cream hard about Tezuka's as much as Eisner's ?
>>124598513I don't give a shit about award shows in general at this pointI don't care if animation is treated like shit by the Oscar judges because I don't need animation to be validated by old farts who don't even bother watching all the films
>>124596184Whats so good about him?
>>124578844Book fairs are so nostalgic to meI miss my school libraries, they unironically had a pretty good selection
>>124598465>Taking a 5+ year long break from a board and coming back feels like you’re visiting another planet.We're rebuilding anon
>>124596529>If you get upset by strong female characters I wouldn't recommend him, but Ive always at least enjoyed everything he's doneI get upset by everything, but it works out because I really enjoy being upset.
>>124598575>>124598513I like Eisners just cause it helps me find stuff I might have missed otherwise
>>124598465When did you take a break?
>>124576771another week in a row that I've wanted like every cover. I went with Science Dog.
>>124598778That's fair but they have nominated some stinkers like Tom King's mr miracle.
>>124596841I thought the artist was Ottley ?
>>124596872Check out Rumble, art by Garden, written by John Arcudi.
>>124598875aw man, I was going to read that
>>124598917>GardenI meant Harren, of course. I think I had a stroke.
>>124598875They have decent track record. Especially if you check out nominees. I found out about the Pic in the op (and tons of other things) from the Eisners and it also helped me discover manga in actual want to to read
>>124598947Read it if you want to . To me it felt like a absolute character assassination.
>>124599127Do you have a list of nominations. I genuinely want to see them.
>>124593826>not coming outAs in its never ever or just on a hiatus?Because even Battle Chasers eventually is coming out of hiatus after over a decade
>>124599145It's another Tom King story.If the subtext were any more obvious in his body of work it would be just text.The subtext is that he feels bad for bombing Middle Easterners but thinks all he needs is a mommy to help him fix his life.
>>124597278>Sam KeithAny particular comics of his you'd recommend?
>>124582749>>124582652>>124582838I think for sustainability we would need 60 posters at minimum, that's how many show up on average for Death Battle threads and at least one on the catalog reaches bump limit depending on whatever Anons consider to be the "main" oneGranted, Death Battle posters are massive circlejerkers /croc/ should be a general where people can come, go, come, go, etc on repeatTake breaks entirely and don't have to worry about it goingHow long did Horrorverse last again?
>>124598470Sounds like a salty bitch.
>>124599322Anon, you do understand humor right?
>>124599339Sure anon, sure... still sounds like a salty bitch.
>>124588026Art is always political. If you don't want politics then quit talking about art.
>>1245988232012 or there abouts? Came back around 2017-18.
>>124598917I’ve had Rumble on my list for ages and never realized Harren was the artist. I’ll definitely move that up my list, thanks!
>>124599381Salty? Yes. Bitch? No. It's his shitposting nature.>>124598513They SOMETIMES nominate shit that's worth looking at. And the fact that they now nominate shit that counts as full on SOPs is amusing.
>>124599479See you guys when M.O.M. wins one because Emilia Clarke wrote itGotta get those validation points
>>124599396Ah yes , when I watch primal I immediately start thinking about LA's homelessness epidemic. Fuck off.
>>124599396...but that doesn't mean that every discussion about art needs to look like a cable news OP/ED show. There's LOADS of other threads absolutely devoted to /copol/. That discussion is better off there.
>>124599216>The subtext is that he feels bad for bombing Middle Easterners but thinks all he needs is a mommy to help him fix his life.No wonder Barda gave me Dommy mommy vibes in his book.
>>124599514I would take MOM WAY before a number of other books that got nominated, like Mockingbird, or the shit from Black Mask.
>>124599527I know you're just making a bad faith argument, but yes, there are political themes in Primal.
>>124599589>I know you're just making a bad faith argument, but yes, there are political themes in Primal.What are you talking about. Its just guy and his dinosaur fighting and killing shit. Your overanalyzing a simple thing.
>>124599283TLDR; The 60 people you get in one thread should never be the exact same 60 people every time
>>124599615>YourLOL nevermind you wouldn't understand retard
>>124599665*You're overanalyzing a simple thingHappy ?
>>124599665You are insufferable and are completely ruining this thread.
>>124599479Call it whatever you wanna call it, it's passive aggressive bitchy salt.
>>124599765>>124599665>>124599589Lets stop this before it gets worst.
>>124599783What's your problem, nazi?
>>124599809I'd don't want this to become a /pol/ bait thread.
>>124599783quit trying to censor our speech you fucking nazi. If these retards want to ignore basic facts and make bad faith arguments let them.
>>124599836There was nothing /pol/ about the post above yours.
>>124599837>quit trying to censor our speech you fucking nazi. If these retards want to ignore basic facts and make bad faith arguments let them.Literally argue anywhere else man . I don't give a shit about your discussion. I just don't want this to turn into every other /co/ thread.
>>124599882Fuck you conservacuck, you can't tell people what to do here
>>124599874It was getting political and those always gets into /pol/ tier arguing.
>>124599225The Maxx, as almost anyone will recommend.It starts off as seemingly edgy trash from the 90s, but soon changes into a character study of Mr. Gone (the villain), Sarah (one of the secondary characters) and Julie (arguably the protagonist, but that's another discussion). Zero Girl.And I remember Three Women being interesting.He drew another comic recently, Eleanor & The Egret, but I didn't read it.Fun trivia, Dave Feiss (creator of Cow & Chicken) and Sam Keith are cousins.
Pic rel is edgy shit. Piskor seems to be very proud of himself, though. To the point of narcissism
>>124599225Not him, but The Maxx is one of my all time favorite comics. And Julie I think is my favorite female comic characterWith all the crossovers Image superheroes have, it's a shame Maxx doesn't show up more often
>>124599997fantagraphics is french shit right ?
>>124580406This looks like stuff I used to draw as an aspiring artist. Alas I gave up art for accounting and nowadays I work from home for a corporation and earn good money
>>124599911Art is inherently political. If you don't want it then leave pussy
>>124600027You can always go back and do art anon. I'm not saying quit your job. That be really retarded. But when you have free time try to pursue it again.
>>124582749persistence = goodgiving up = badthis is also my first post in these threads. I was seeing some others but wasn't really interested, now I gave it a try. making it a /co/ staple is a good idea
>>124600042Nah , I wanna check out more /croc/ content.
>>124600002>>124599225I recommend the old colourings.The new ones Keith did are good, but they lack the garishness of the originals. They worked because the story wasn't about realism, but about one's own mind and how you deal with it.
>>124589624I would say this isn't crossover, but rather, a shared universe. God, I loved Nexus
>>124590120>>124590588Ennis is a Pennis
>>124600023They publish stuff from everywhere mostly us
>>124600042Art is not inherently political.I hate it when people say it is because it's like saying all body building is inherently political. Yes, there are sometimes elements of politics in certain pieces of art, others are nothing more than political tracts if you're willing to search the shittier parts.But most art is PHILOSOPHICAL, even if the philosophy boils down to "bad is bad because bad is not good". You can make an apolitical piece of art, but you can't make a piece of art without a philosophical bent to it. That is because the artist is human and they need to use their own value judgments which are based on their philosophical principles from which all other actions in their lives are born.Fuck.
>>124600023it's certainly shit
>>124600027Like the other anon said, start doing it in your spare time and post it online for your own enjoyment.I can tell you right now, it's a good way to relax from a crap office job (even if it's from home).
>>124600049I lost my spark. I can't draw anymore, I tried few years ago and couldn't draw anything
>>124599911>It was getting politicalNo it wasn't. Are you farming for (You)? Do you just want to bump the thread? because filling it with this "conversation" we're having only makes the thread look worse. You did a dumb thing, own up to it and shut up.
>>124600171I like this guy.
>>124600194I relax mostly by playing DROD but that's another story
>>124599983>Zero Girl.I read this and it was awful.
>>124600190I bet your some tasteless imagetard.
>>124600274I'm imagetard but whats some fantagraphics shit that you can recommend me ?
This was storytimed during christmas, and it's something you really SHOULD read, even ASAP
Pretty surprised to see Danzig's Verotika having some live adaptation
>>124600299Not /croc/ that's DC. Fuck off.
>>124600190Are you retarded?Fantagraphics publish a ton of top tier stuff
>>124600328It's creator owned - you fuck off. And DIE
>>124600298For you? Nothing. Stay in your lane.
>>124600348>It's creator owned - you fuck off. And DIEI thought that Vertigo not being creator owned is why it died off ?
>>124600042What's political about this comic where a guy jacks off to form a magical cum golem around himself
>>124600334fantashits does not deserve the rights to publish Monsters, it's too good for them
>>124600299>Ted McKeeverHe's a weird feller.For some reason he puts himself in his comics as the protagonist from time to time. At least in his later works. I can't tell if it's narcissism or him trying to literally put a piece of himself in the comics.
>>124600360It died, because Image exists, and other publishers who are superior. And vertigo was mostly known for sandman and preacher
>>124600348It's DC you stupid fuck die die die die die we don't want you here shitting up the thread.
>>124600093i actually dont know. it was a kickstarter series so i assumed it wasnt
>>124600298My favorite thing is monsterAcme novelty libraryAnything by the hernandez bros MonstersHate EightballUsagi Yojimbo
>>124600362It's obviously about how men encase themselves in their own sexuality to ward off a world that attempts to appeal to their softer side. A softer side that may threaten to rip apart the patriarchal fastenings that keep women down.
>>124600395shut the fuck up faggot.and because you autistically sperg, here's another creator-owned comic, only capeshitFuturians by CockrumI hope that you'll die from anger
>>124600360That was later. A lot of early Vertigo has been reprinted at other publishers, like recently Enigma at Dark Horse in a Deluxe format with extras at the end.>>124600391Yes and no. Image never captured the spirit of Vertigo but for people that wanted to do movie pitches it was a better option because you held the rights so you got more money out of it so Image ended up being a mediocre mining publisher.
>>124600442Eat shit, with your DC shit.
>>124600450Vertigo is kinda overrated and remembered through nostalgia glasses. It did have some gems here and there, but you had to dig for them.
>>124600360Vertigo was creator owned. That's why it died cause the overlords at Warner couldn't make money off the TV and movie rights
>>124600450>Yes and no. Image never captured the spirit of Vertigo but for people that wanted to do movie pitches it was a better option because you held the rights so you got more money out of it so Image ended up being a mediocre mining publisher.I wouldn't say mediocre. I'd say their top line up produces some good shit. I wish they were more stricter on deadlines tho.
>>124600473I guess I'll have to find more DC shit to post then, if you like it so much
>>124600475Nah, Vertigo has a lot of forgotten gems.
>>124600507I could maybe name only like maybe 6, but I would need wiki, because I don't remember the titles
>>124600442Futurians are interesting because while they do have capeshit elements, they are heavily rooted in the sci-fi elements. And yeah, the characters kinda feel like rejected X-Men designs, but it had its own charm
>>124600506If you do I'll be forced to report you for off topic, so try it shit head.
>>124600560LOL, like I'm afraid of your tiny penis
>>124599127They HAD a decent track record. Their recent record is spotty.
>>124600475>and remembered through nostalgia glassesHeavily disagree. I've never read anything from Image that was half as good as things like Sandman, Lucifer, Shade The Changing Man, Enigma, Saga of The Swamp Thing, Flex Mentallo, Delano Hellblazer. Best I get is stuff that's on the level of Sweet Tooth at best and while that was really good, I wouldn't put it on the level of the previously mentioned stuff.
>>124583411Did this team do a Black Mask book? I think I bought it but didn't actually read it.
>>124600633Because Vertigo was part of DC they had a specific direction they wanted Vertigo books to go in.Image just publishes whatever as long as you're a popular writer/artist and doesn't ask too many questions.
>>124600633>Sandman & Swamp Thing & Hellblazerstarted as DC series, and they are kinda capey>LuciferSandman spin-off>Shade & Enigmaremade obscure charactersI'll give you Flex Mentallo, alas he recently joined DP which makes him capey as wellI was thinking more of a stuff like The Extremist, Face, Transmetropolitan, Saga, 100 bullets
>>124600708Enigma is also getting a Deluxe reprint from Dark Horse later this year, so I don't think it really counts as Vertigo anymore.
>>124599634Oh fuck, I want to be one.
>>124600750Interesting. Poor Dark Horse, they've lost so many good licenses. I can't forgive that thanks to marlel, we won't get Predator, the original screenplay
>>124600812Marvel seem to be far more spiteful that DC to be honest
>>124600824Yeah fuck em, with a giant rodComplete assholes
>>124599997Yeah, I wanted to pick this up, but it looked a bit too sadistic for where I'm at right now.
>>124600931first issue is very gross, second attempts at some plot. time will tell how much of the enthusiasm will remain with piskor. he can talk the talk, but certainly can't walk the walk
>>124600708Irrelevant, I'm strictly talking about the quality of the comics.
>>124600979Using sandman or swamp-thing as an example is cheating, because they are not creator-owned, and didn't start as vertigo comics, and were going for very long, while the real creator owned comics are kinda limited.There will be always some sandman, swamp-thing or hellblazer comic, but there will never be another 100 bullets or Transmetropolitan issue
>>124601051>because they are not creator-ownedThat. Is. Irrelevant. To. The Point. I. Was. Making.Also, all of these are half creator owned and would've reverted to fully creator owned had Dc not reprinted them for x amount of years where x is the number stated in the contract. Except for Swamp Thing, I guess. Enigma was not a remade obscure character so you're flat out wrong there, it is being reprinted at Dark Horse right now.
>>124599442He left the book and Arcudi continued a second volume with Dave Rubin but it was not the same. I dropped it. Sad story, I don't even know if Arcudi wrapped it up properly. Rathraq was a neat character.
>>124601116>y-you just dont get *MY* point, X is better than Y because *I* like itFuck off pretentious retard
>>124601250Why did you feel the need to act like that?
>>124601225I absolutely hated Rubin but I feel like I might be coming around to him. I tried reading Ether again and didn’t hate the sight of it. He totally botched the Dr. Frankenstein spin-off of Black Hammer, though.And to my knowledge, no, it was never finished but I don’t know why. Arcudi might have covered that on his Patreon.
>>124601225>>124601273I watched a podcast with Arcudi on it a month or two ago and iirc; he said he wanted to go forward with the relaunch but Harren didn't want to and was too busy, so he asked Rubin and then they made the new series. He still wants to continue with Harren again and said they were planning for something later this year, but idk if anything has changed since.
>>124591321>>124594507>>124598269Imagine being this triggered by fun popcorn comics no wonder this board is shit
>>124601323>ask for opinions>don't get the response you wanted>Y-YOU'RE TRIGGERED!Take a chill pill. We get it, you like turning your brain off.
>>124586865>For some reason, Westerners prefer to just not end things instead of rushed endingsI doubt it's a western thing as much as an inability to continue due to lack of funds, time, or interest. Manga can suffer from the same problems too.
>>124601323I said Blacksad was good because out of the list it was the only one I read AnonI don't mind popcorn fun, I indulge in shlock as wellSometimes I read a random Spawn issue and keep reading through until I have something else to do
>>124575140Storyman just did Sunstone>>124600462
>>124589715*how popular The Boys isMy brain short circuited
>>124583236>I seriously wish we did a mass split up like video games didI've made this point several times but mods don't care. Maybe it's because /co/ isn't a particularly high-traffic board or because once upon a time /co/ stood for something it no longer does, but there's little chance for a board split like the sort /v/ got even if comics and cartoons barely have anything to do with each other.
>>124589837I read Love by Frederic Brremaud a few days agoThe art is gorgeous and each trade is a self contained story with no dialogue about animals in the wildNot even onomatopoeia, its completely silent
>>124602171>even if comics and cartoons barely have anything to do with each other.That's probably gonna change if Invincible paves for more and more animated /croc/ adaptations to be popular among normalfagsAmazon's Skybound deal is definitely gonna continue and Faust is getting an animated series already by Sony
>>124602171Also LumberjanesIt has a chance of tearing this board asunder when the trailer dropsIf you thought She-Ra shitposting and its creator being in Anon's heads rent free was bad, Lumberjanes will probably do worse
>>124597741>>124597947Does anybody getting tired when you see this post over and over again?
I wish these get reprinted at some point>Mazzucchelli's Big Man>Bisette's Tyrant (and finished)
>>124602302Not that anon, but thanks for giving me that mental image.We'll be shitposting lasts only 3 months.
>>124602419But he is right tho, why you deny evolutionary theory?
>>124602419There's been a lot more "The East is dominating the West", "What will we do comic bros", "This is why manga are winning" bullshit posted than the usual east vs west thread. It's telling that the weebs whose side is supposedly winning find it necessary to let /co/ know its defeat is assured. Every day. Every week. Every month.
>>124602419Pretty muchHave things improved since Powell said this about a decade ago?
>>124602466Not himEvolutionary theory has applied to western comics as wellWe've seen it happen from golden age to silver to so on until today and its prevalent in the creator owned scene as wellSaga is an example of this
>>124602506He is so right that it hurts
>>124600620When was the last year the Eisners were worth a damn?
>>124602506>Have things improved since Powell said this about a decade ago?I think so ? I mean image has gotten way bigger. There's a large wave of new smaller publishers. Web comics are allowing western creators to publish with exponential ease. Many top /croc/ authors are getting their properties picked up by companies like Netflix and Amazon. I think were entering a golden age and we don't even know it man.
>>124602419I ignore it. It's made and parroted by trolls and dumbasses who don't know anything about western comics except what they hear regurgitated from clickbait and outrage farmers. You think the person who made that pasta ever touched a /croc/ property or bothered looking for them? Of course not.The question is, how do you get more /croc/s out and into the public eye?
>>124602720We don't know it because all anyone can ever talk about is fucking DC making a stupid move and Marvel wasting Disney's money. And if we're really blessed, we'll get a coomer thread about some mid 2000s waifu.
>>124602729Talk about itCross fingers we get an Invincible level success for a noncape titleSomething mostly faithful to the source material and so rewards people who did read the book
>>124602437>>Bisette's TyrantDid this ever get past like issue 3
>>124602729I have an ideaOkay so I Hate Fairyland and the original Gwenpool run are fairly popular hereMore so than the usual creator owned comic and recent Marvel character areI think its because those books attracted cartoonfags who are the majority of /co/They like unique artstyles, fun premises, and cute girlsFind more of those and they will be drawn like moths to a flame
>>124602752>We don't know it because all anyone can ever talk about is fucking DC making a stupid move and Marvel wasting Disney's money.This shit will akk pass over anon . You just got to look ahead.
>>124602504A few months ago, someone on Twitter (I think he was called Lo-Ping and had a panda avatar) retweeted the Demon Slayer article and it spread like wildfire with even Pat Fuckboivin retweeting itThis happened around the same time we got more and more East vs West threads by the dozen acting as if its not a dead subject so yeah, twitter tourists
>>124602988True , the only comics I've heard normies talk about that are non big 2 comics are Lumberjanes.
>>124603105*dead horse subject
>>124603105Oh yeah, I remember that. That was the first time I was consciously aware of anything named Demon Slayer.
>>124602988When the Storytime of Pain season is over, I'll try to storytime the original five issues of Street Angel
>>124602729Just because something is creator owned doesn't mean it;s good.
>>124603599Nobody saying that tho, A decent chunk of this thread is arguing about the quality of certain series.
>>124603599Its the whole assumption that comics are just Marvel and DC that gets to people
>>124604025This Also on a unrelated note any long running series that you guys can recommend ?
>>124603599Nope, but it's not an argument of quality, it's about content. The original post argues that western comics aren't trying anything new and aren't trying to expand their boundaries because of "stagnancy", and of course uses big two superheroes as the sole example. You only have to look at /croc/s, which are constantly putting out new and different stories, to see that the initial broad statement isn't true and is highly dismissive of a big portion of the industry. It's the problem with a lot of these 'criticisms'. They hyperfocus on the big two and keep forgetting that there's a whole different part to the industry that outright defies their easy answers and accusations.
>>124604154Define long runningHow many issues we talking?
Finally a general to talk about comics for once. Victory is sweet bros.
Anybody else reading Geiger? And thoughts on it so far?
>>124604227Don't jinx it so soon
>>124604227I don't mind this wojak. We've finally reached 403 (is of this post) replies with 46 posters.
>>124604249Its Geoff Johns' reinterpretation of ShrekIts fine for what it is honestly, nothing groundbreaking but its enough to catch my attention for me to keep going
Like him or not . He's a pioneer of /croc/ content.
>>124604324Forgot the image
>>124602729Right, because comics are in a real good place and manga is totally not dominating...
>>124604471>Right, because comics are in a real good place and manga is totally not dominating...This isn't about manga dominating . Nobody here has said manga is worse then comics. Its not about that. Its about trying to open people up to non big 2 western stories and try to show the beauty of this industry even if for all its faults.
>>124604551*mediumMedium != Industry
>>124604640Yeah your right , I used the wrong word.
>>124604174>The original post argues that western comics aren't trying anything new and aren't trying to expand their boundaries because of "stagnancy"Which is true. How many creator owned stories are just superheroes with some slight subversion thrown in? How many of them star a PI, and if you throw amnesia and drinking in there you have a grand slam. Simply put, if you look at Marvel, DC and Image, you won't find a lot of creativity, mostly just people trying to get their shit adapted for extra cash. Comics would be better if they were less corporate, but the cartoonists all still get ignored in favor of talking about Lumberjanes, be it positively or trash talking it. You can make a point that people in those threads don;'t know a lot about comics beyond the big three publishers, but no one in that thread knows much about manga either save for Shonen Jump, Shonen Magazine and a handful of the really big seinen.I read Rumble, it's okay, but it's nothing special, and when everyone's saying they lost interest after the artist change, you just know it's nothing special. Land of The Lustrous is far better in every single way.
>>124604737>How many creator owned stories are just superheroes with some slight subversion thrown in?Surprisingly not that much really ? Most of the top comics with Image , DH and Europe aren't cape with maybe exception of Spawn and Invincible (I don't count hellboy because he isn't a superhero)> How many of them star a PI, and if you throw amnesia and drinking in there you have a grand slam.I haven't read a comic with this premise > Image, you won't find a lot of creativity, mostly just people trying to get their shit adapted for extra cash.I disagree . I've have a lot creativity among images comics . All the top series are that top because have some kind of interesting premise.
>>124604828*I have to disagree . I've have seen a lot creativity among image's comics . All the top series are that top because have some kind of interesting premise. Like Manifest destiny , Birthright or Stillwater.
>>124604921Private investigatorAlso another somewhat related note ? I just checked image's current comic releases and only 4 of them are superhero titles out of like 16 titles in total .
>>124575081>croc>creator owned comicsDude, shouldn't it be "coc"?
>>124605069/coc/ is already taken by another group on /co/.
>>124605225Based Goon poster.It’s not comedic, but I highly recommend Hillbilly as well.
not my 3x3 but i felt the need to post something>>124583557what issue?>>124600362whatever prison pitt is i guess i need to read it
>>124602729>The question is, how do you get more /croc/s out and into the public eye?Back when I was getting into a comics, /co/ was a pretty different place. There was a LOT more threads about comic recommendations and people asking "any good comics about X?"It also helped that there were tons of recommendation images for different genres/publishers/characters. I'm actually making one now for Fantasy comics (WIP); though thinking of separating "Urban" Fantasy from non-urban. And obviously open to suggestionsBut the BIGGEST impediment non-superhero comics face to gain mainstream success IMO with comparison to manga is the lack of faithful cartoon adaptations.Unlike /a/, there is not that much of an overlap between people who comes here for comics and people who come for cartoons.Look at what happened with the Invincible cartoon, so many people flocked to the comic to see where the story went. Live Action adaptations help too, but often change so much it's another story altogether. The Manga industry has this MASSIVE boost from Anime bringing people who want to read ahead
>>124605801I miss that old /co/. Recommendation images were thrown around in like every thread. People read comics.This is really 80% cartoons at this point.
>>124605801>But the BIGGEST impediment non-superhero comics face to gain mainstream success IMO with comparison to manga is the lack of faithful cartoon adaptations.This. Non Cape Comics need to have their own animated series that make people ask "wait, what is next?".Hyped for Invincible S2 because it would bring back the community sense
>>124605928>Non Cape Comics need to have their own animated series that make people ask "wait, what is next?".What non caped comic would make for a good animated series
>>124605797Lol thats my 3x3. I'm surprised someone actually downloaded . What did you think of my recommendations ?
>>124604882Birthright is the best example of generic crap with slight subversion.
>>124606041>>124605928Birthright but that's getting turned into a movie. Deadly class would be good but the live action show flopped. East of West would be pretty good as series but it has more of a HBO live action show feel to it. Oh fuck yeah , Chew and The Goon would be a great adaptation .
>>124606179Not really , its does enough things differently from being generic. But if I were to use a better example I should have gone with Chew.
>>124605915>Recommendation images were thrown around in like every threadThey still are, they're just counter productive. Instead of talking to someone, people would rather they just go "take this" and most of the time, the people that post those pics haven't even read half the stuff there but they'll recommend them because they're told to recommend them. Not to mention that first impression count for everything and those pics always contain some mediocre stuff or outright crap so new readers can get turned off, especially since if they make a thread about a comic they just read trying to understand why people like it so much they either get no replies or they get assholes coming in to tell OP to "fuck off" or "kys contrarian".
>>124606186>The Goon would be a great adaptation .Is the animated goon series still happening?
>>124606296I don't think so ?
>>124606296I’ve never heard of a series, but the movie has been in a constant state of it-happening-but-possibly-maybe-someday!
>>124605928the UY animation is coming along as far as I know, but it's not going to be faithful in the slightest
>>124605928Are you... implying Invincible isn't cape?
>>124606465The good thing is that it sounds pretty much entirely original. That’s the other good way to do something. A weird middle approach is just going to piss people off.
>>124606491He's not implying invincible is cape . He's just saying the format invincible laid out would be beneficial to /croc/ stuff.
>>124605801Live action by their very nature makes things less faithful especially as a show because actors get tired and leave, age (kids grow up fast), etc Also budget constraints and because they tend to be 45 minutes long per episode, catch up to the comic fairly quickly
>>124602437We need a full collection of Mazzucchelli's Rubber Blanket. >>124604354I like his stuff.American Flagg is great.
How would you feel if comics were more biweekly instead of monthly ?
So I have a subscription for the next month to Graphite Comics, andI want to get the most out of it. Here are there publishers: https://www.graphitecomics.com/publishers/publishersAnything from these that I should check out? Picrel it's the first dozen or so publishers
>>124607148Beasts of Burden, published by Dark Horse, if they have it. It just wrapped up a mini, but read all of it.
>>124607138That would be great content wiseHelps keep titles relevant in your head more
>>124607210Looks like they've got a couple volumes! Thanks anon
Is it just me or has this board made enjoying comic books harder. . Its like every time I visit this fucking board. I have a greater feeling of distaste come over me. My enjoyment of capeshit has diminished because of this place. I feel like /croc/ has sort rebirth for my love the medium but that's still flimsy.
>>124607328>Is it just me or has this board made enjoying comic books harder. .When the vast majority of comic threads on the catalog are full of clickbait, East vs West, twitter drama, circlejerking the same tired topics and titles no matter how old, etc it becomes near impossible to find or worse, make quality discussion about the medium you enjoy>>124605915Wasn't that always the case?Cartoons are the more popular mediumGranted as a fan of both, cartoons do have their problems with discussion
>>124607328>/croc/ has sort rebirth for my love the medium but that's still flimsy.I think its because of the revelation that there are still people on /co/ (or at all really) who still love comics as a medium and are curious and willing enough to explore it
>>124606041Zander Cannon said he's trying to get an animated Kaijumax series madeI would love to see Ultramega to be an animated limited series, basically an OVA>>124606491Think of it like thisEven if Kirkman got his other superhero titles more exposure through animation, its all still would be capesThat range wouldn't expandIt's like an axisX being variety, Y being quantityY increasing but X not
/co/ question ? Who colored Moebius books ?
>>124607386>Wasn't that always the case?I don’t remember it being this heavily weighted towards cartoons. But I’m also the guy who left in 2012.
>>124607777I thought he colored them himself?
>>124607777Checked. Moebius did his own colors.Your pic is by Gir, however. Gir also did his own colors, though often he had Moebius do the colors.
>>124607900>Your pic is by Gir, however. Gir also did his own colors, though often he had Moebius do the colors.I get it
So Remender's starting yet another ongoing>When an unassuming man stumbles upon a dark-web contract asssasin's vicious plot to kill an innocent target, he turns himself into one. The Professional meets Road to Perdition in this story of a family's unlikely guardian being hunted by rich and powerful men who are used to getting away with everything.>Rick Remender, the series writer, stated, "After years of wanting to work with André I couldn't be more excited to get this into the world. It's a decompressed atmosphere story unlike anything we've ever done before and the exact type of methodical crime book I've always wanted to do.">André Araújo, the series artist, stated, "When Rick and I finally got together after years of planning it, we knew we had to try and push for something special. Our storytelling approach, a decompressed and carefully crafted narrative, became our key to do just that. This is something I've always dreamed of doing and I'm beyond thrilled to share this with everyone else."https://screenrant.com/righteous-thirst-for-vengeance-image-comic-preview/As much as I'm rooting for him after his shit luck with adaptations, I'm hoping him quitting having a personal twitter to concentrate more on his imprint will avoid yet another Scumbag situation (when I reached the end of issue two my enjoyment and smile dissipated like acid)I'll read the first few issues but the word decompressed doesn't do me any favor to be honestIn other news, Tokyo Ghost's movie script got finishedhttps://www.instagram.com/p/CRmJHURl996/
>>124607961This nigga looks like Ma Dong Seok or Benedict Wong. This shit feels like a movie pitch . Don't get twisted , I loved Remender's Captain America run (steve rogers) and Deadly class but it feels like he's trying to get a movie adaptation.
>>124607961ugly looking gook, definitely not reading this
>>124608065>This shit feels like a movie pitcThe worst part of comics is how they became movie pitches instead of animation pitches.
>>124608414>The worst part of comics is how they became movie pitches instead of animation pitches.This is why I'm glad Powell wanted to do a Goon animation instead.
>>124608414I'm not necessarily against live action but I definitely feel animation needs that boost and that synergy would be appreciatedI also feel with how artists are underappreciated in the industry, animation would help highlight their artstyle and designs if the adaptation were to translate that as wellIts honestly great seeing Cory Walker working on the Invincible show
>>124607961>Scumbagwhat happened with it? i keep hearing something with it and twitter happened but i cant pinpoint what>>124606081i mainly saved it because its stuff i havent read
can someone recommend some more comics made by right wing creators?
>>124608626The villains as revealed in the second issue unironically say shit like cuck and snowflake I don't know why Remender left twitter, he's not cancelled or anythingHe still has his Instagram that he regularly updates but I'm noticing a lot of writers saying they intend on phasing out their twitter in favor of focusing on promoting their work on social mediaTynion, Snyder, Higgins, etcI think Remender probably was no different and just did it before everyone else or without warning unless I'm mistaken
>>124607328Nothing hurt my love of comics more than other people's opinions. That's hyperbolic, but I remember several instances of talking comics with people IRL at social functions, invariably our tastes didn't align so we only had shitty opinions about the books each other liked. This board is like that, all the time.
>>124608689A lot of them do crowdfunding and don't do digital which is hard to have them be judged on their merits since we can't storytime them (and the ones we have storytimed weren't that good to begin with, Meyer has two SoP on him)I will say Doug TenNapel for his faults is talented and has worked on a number of quality books but you probably already read them (Earthboy Jacobus is his magnum opus, read that shit regardless about how you feel about him)Kamen America isn't my cup of tea, it had an over reliance on memes but the third issue was better/more bearable than the previous two
>>124608723I know there's a chance you're probably just memeing (Poe's Law) but Herge was a right wing royalist when he was still alive so yeah, that unironically checks out
>>124608753doug hates fags and trannies that's based in my book
>>124608965Its weird that I found a copy of Ghostopolis at my high school (this a couple of years ago and I'm entering my first year of college). I went to a very blue school in a very blue state.
>>124609075My high school library had loads of Kenshin volumes and the Watsuki scandal happened first year when I entered collegeMy college library has a book by Gerard JonesI also live in a blue state
>>124608689Do you think this blacklisting of rightwing creators will get so bad theres gonna have to be a guild made to protect them?
>>124609075he doesn't let his politics get involved with his work like most right wing creators unlike lefties that's why
>>124609196I thought unions were a left wing thing?Honestly I could picture a crisis hotline/support group for harassment being made considering the opposite end of spectrum has been doing itBut enough politics
>>124604237A number has already been mentioned in this threadSee >>124589703
>>124608689Pitt if you want fun mindless actionKeown has had a number of writers to help out
>>124606465Panel's tomorrow>An early look at Samurai Rabbit: The Usagi Chronicles—The legend, Stan Sakai (Usagi Yojimbo) joins the cast and creators of this all-new Netflix animated series based on the world-renowned comic book series, Usagi Yojimbo. Terry Kalagian (Gaumont, EVP, creative content, US) hosts this fun discussion with the artists behind the scenes as well as the voice talent who bring these exciting new characters to life!https://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/3357/dark-horse-panels-comic-conhome
>>124609731any idea where one can purchase Pitt collections?
>>124610129You can read all the issues on RCO but Keown's probably gonna do a crowdfunder
>>124610241so there are no collected editions
So for those interested Killadelphia is getting a spin off>"Nita Hawes Nightmare Blog is pure horror in the classical sense of the word," Rodney Barnes said. "Its roots are in the tradition of the classic horror films and novels I've loved throughout my life. I'm incredibly excited to see how fans take to the story.">"Nita Hawes Nightmare Blog is the perfect conduit for us to explore all manner of things that go bump or scream in the night," Jason Shawn Alexander said. "This is kick ass horror with crazy amazing talent behind it.">Jimmy Sangster might have left Maryland for the vampire-infested city of “Killadelphia,” but there is still untold evil lurking the streets of Baltimore. The demon Corson has surfaced from the underworld to possess a once-wronged man, and his vengeance will come at the cost of humanity’s despair! But Jimmy’s former lover Nita Hawes—a woman with demons of her own—has begun a quest to root the evil out of her city. Guided by the ghost of her dead brother, she must come to terms with her own past, lest she join her brother in a state worse than death!https://www.cbr.com/killadelphia-nita-hawes-nightmare-blog-spinoff/Never seen /co/ talk about this nor have I read it
>>124608689Been re-reading Fables now that I've come back home and grabbed my collection. Bill Willingham's leaning are pretty obvious. What's particularly interesting though is that while Fables was ongoing, is was known for having a larger female fanbase than almost any other ongoing comic at the time, with Willingham getting countless variations of "I got into this series because my wife/girlfriend read it" mails from fans.In a way it makes sense, women just love fairy tales, and the romance in Fables is quite well realised.Interestingly on thing I read recently was that Willingham's biggest regret with Fables was the amount of raunchy sex Vertigo wanted him to put in the series to keep it "for Adults" like the rest of Vertigo comics, while Willingham would have preferred a series for all ages. And sex does becomes a less prominent part of the series as it goes on. In particular I had noticed that Pinocchio, who's introduced as a Monster Girl-type character (a man stuck in a child's body who just wants to fuck and drink), behaves more like a child after after the first couple of arc
>>124611194Geppetto did nothing wrong
>>124605928After Invincible, assuming the message that execs get from it's success is "people want more animated adaptations" and not "people want more violent superheroes", I think Chew is the next logical adaptation to follow up InvincibleChew's more cartoony artstyle lends itself well to animation, it's was also published by Image and ongoing around the same time as Invincible, so there was probably a sizable overlap in the fanbase (at least I remember them being often mentioned in the same post in the "what are you reading" and "non-Big 2 recommendation" threads). It's got a similar level of over-the-top violence, and UNLIKE Invincible the cast's already super diverse with an Asian protag so you don't even need to change anyone's ethnicities.There's plenty of other comics that's make for kick-ass animated series like The Goon, but Chew's got more of an ongoing narrative over Goon's episodic format, so people will be more likely to want to "read ahead"
>>124611909>After Invincible, assuming the message that execs get from it's success is "people want more animated adaptations" and not "people want more violent superheroes",What are the odds that Faust is being adapted into animation by Sony is because of Invincible?
>>124606041I Hate Fairyland
>>124608065That's all his comics though. He's also a pretty crummy writer in general.
You lads excited for this?
>>124612682I've enjoyed Tomasi's work and the premise seems funI wouldn't say I'm hyped because I'm incapable of it but I do intend on trying it out
>>124612682I remember seeing an ad for this in Image comics, but what's it about?
>>124612705Seems obvious enoughThere's a sniper, his partner's the bullet
>>124604354Chaykin is a crazier than a drugged up hooker, but his comics are always exciting. My first exposure to him was Midnight of the Soul and despite the weird usage of digital art with traditional, it grew on me.
>>124612726Macro-Micro fetishists will buy it in droves.
>>124612682Did it finally get a date announced?
>>124612829So about the same number as people who get Wasp comics got it
>>124611194Speaking of comics women like, I found out a female friend of mine is into smutty fanfictionConsidering recommending her Saga but only until the hiatus is over
>>124612879>into smutty fanfictionI wish I was surprised. Chicks dig Saga because, from what little I know of it, it kind of sounds like wishy washy romance fanfiction. I don't know that much about Saga.
>>124612899There's romance and very explicit on panel sex
>>124575081Congratulations OP! The thread made it to 500 posts in 2 days.For a topic like creator-owned comics, I'd say that's a success.Maybe we can make this a weekly or a monthly thing if it continues being about a wide range of titles instead of a bunch of shitposting like any other general.
>Bump limitYou guys wanna wait until Page 6 to start a new thread and link this one to it or would you rather we wait it out and make one when we feel enough time has passed in general?Regardless, it was nice talking to people who actually give a damn so thanksI'm going to sleep>>124612939I personally feel like a month is too long of a gap to wait/co/ isn't going anywhere sure but the board's quality has been plummeting every day and the idea of a creator owned comics general was to try and foster better discussion to make things more like old /co/ at least in one threadI'm the OP for this and last time (not the first) but honestly its not up to me or you for how these threads are made (I don't intend on making a new one myself)If others start making them and people start going to them regularly and fill them up like any other general, that's on themI can't control it You can't control itLets see what happens
>>124612995*see what happens and hope for the best
>>124612995We can't control it, sure, but voicing a plan is better than keeping silent.I wouldn't want these kinds of threads to become a mire of the same people posting useless shit endlessly. Especially because it helps lesser known titles get a spotlight.If no one makes a thread in the meantime, I think a new one next Wednesday might be a good idea.New comics will be out, we can talk about various topics again, and it won't be too long of a wait.
>>124613059>If no one makes a thread in the meantime, I think a new one next Wednesday might be a good ideaWill you make one yourself next Wednesday if no one makes one directly after this one and that nobody else does it on Wednesday?
>>124613109Sure, why not.I'll prepare the text ahead of time and post it next Wednesday. I'll probably do it around 11 AM EST.
>>124612995As the guy that started the first /croc/ thread ( it was /indie/ then ) It feels surreal seeing this blow up in /co/ . I'm glad to see my autistic frustrations about the stupid /a/ argument " big 2= entire western comic book medium " lead me to create this out spite and a desire to see this shit grow.
>>124613604Some of the best things on the planet were created out of spite.
>>124613646It sure is. I just woke up and its around 3 am where I live so I'll probably start the next /croc/ thread. I think Wednesdays and Fridays are good days to start /croc/ threads since the life span of thread is usually 2 days.
>>124613703Makes sense, I guess.I'd still prefer a weekly rate, but maybe 2 a week will help us get through all the topic properly.
>>124613703I think cross-over art of /croc/ characters make for very good OP images. Like the one between Hellboy & Spawn we had in the previous thread. Would be cool to have a whole collection of art like it to use
>>124613931>>124613921Preferrably higher resolution art.
>>124613931Or this, you get the idea>>124613940Yeah of course, I was just grabbing the first image I found on google to give the idea of what I meant