my crew.. was as carefully chosen as the disciples of Christ... and I will not tolerate stowaways. you will be flogged, and when we put in to Cuba to resupply GOD WILLING you will be flogged some more. and then enslaved on the sugar plantations for the rest of your miserable lives. to the brig.
>>123702104Could Cortez take on Ruber?
>>123702113he had a gun...
>guy guy gets personally tortured to death by this guydid he really deserve it bros?
>>123702237he did try to sacrifice a bunch of men, women and children for no reason
>>123702104>you will be flogged, and when we put in to Cuba to resupply GOD WILLING you will be flogged some more. and then enslaved on the sugar plantations for the rest of your miserable livesIs that what happened to Tzekel-Kan, or was he executed?
>>123702236it includes (You)!
>>123702263he was probably enslaved and worked till death, since he was a prisoner. or maybe he died of smallpox or something stupid like that. god the natives were a bunch of faggots
>>123702104Was he even in the wrong for this? Stowing away on a ship could actually fuck over the crew if you're eating supplies.
>>123702308Cortes did literally nothing wrong both in this movie and real life
>>123702374Yep, Aztecs had it coming one way or the other, the fuckers deserved it all
>>123702390did he really have to wipe them out like that? hearing about what he did to them, it makes him seem like a biblical figure
>>123702422It wasn’t just him. The other natives HATED the Aztecs.
>>123702422Aztecs basically did population control by staging wars against their vassal statesTheir warriors not only killed the young warriors of the other tribe but had a quota of warriors to capture and sacrifice to rank up in the armyIt was a well oiled machine that required the young men of other tribes to die, when Cortez arrived he was rejected twice until he prove himself a worthy warrior because they thought he didn't had what it took to take on the AztecsAfter he proved himself with a body count nearing 2000 he got the other tribes to rally up for real war against Tenochtitlan and dear God that was a fight of legend, siege, boat assaults in the floating cities, razing the temples, Cortez might get flak from shity white liberals but the guy earned the title of conqueror and this is coming from a Mexican
>>123702390Cortez did plenty wrong, but the Aztecs absolutely had this coming. Half the reason Cortez had so much success was how much vitriol the other natives had for the Aztecs he could use.
>>123702537Again>>123702505Cortez had to gain support by fightingI want you to consider that a single Aztec warrior took on 11 of Cortez spearmen, lived through 2 spears piercing him and hat to be shootAztecs were literal monsters in the battlefield, he had to earn the trust of the tribes before he could receive aid to attack the Aztecs, many tribes had dwindling numbers already considering they had to stage wars vs the Aztecs as tribute too so it was almost a suicide attack for them considering potential punishment from the Aztecs if the attack failed, shit got realer than real
>>123702487This. The Aztecs basically set themselves up perfectly to be roflstomped the moment someone who could challenge them came along.Honestly, if it hadn't been the Spanish it would eventually have been someone else. Sooner or later when you are the big king asshole on the block and you are overtly engaged in asshole behavior, everyone under you starts to resent you, and when someone else comes along who looks strong, all the little people who were only slightly allied with you before will instantly gravitate to this new fellow.
>>123702104i really like the part where that dumb magician guy sees Cortez and he sees him as an aztec war god
>its another thinly veiled mesoamerican history thread under the guise of a discussion of dreamworks' el doradounironically my favorite threads. now we need some chel lewds
>>123702576I forgot to mention the hidden ally of Cortez, old world viruses, the Aztecs actually thought it was divine punishment during the siegeEven if all the other tribes had gathered eventually they were kinda fucked since the Aztecs engaged in ritualistic population control, they really needed Cortez weaponry and biological warfare to even stand a chanceAztecs weren't king assholes for nothing, they earned that tittle and literally built their civilization on top of the skulls of the ones they killed, look at Mexico city they still find walls of skull used as building materials almost every time they dig, Aztecs were real assholes
>>123702624>old world virusesthis was because the aztecs didn't really have cattle, right? among other farm animals that were ubiquitous in europe
>>123702756Pretty much, they didn't have any resistance to it, guaranteed it also hit Cortez allies badly but some got treatment from Cortez side who knew some of it, at least according to records but it was absolutely devastating for the Aztecs after their potable water resources were sieged
>>123702113Hmm. Cortez has a full fleet equipped with guns and I assume cannons, BUT Ruber has the power of completely unbridled tard rage capable of killing a dragon with a single punch....That's a hard call, anon.
>>123702791weren't there also reports that the aztecs polluted their own water supplies due to the mind boggling amount of human sacrifice? that is to say, blood and guts were poured into the rivers and infected them
>>123702756Human settlement of the Americas was resulted in a ecological holocaust for many of the endemic species. Expansion across the americas was swift and much of the native herbivore fauna had no real time to adapt to the new dominant predatory species. Thus there were no really good animals to domesticate and turn into beasts of burdens. While the new world had domesticated animals, they were small, chickens, dogs and rodents and the diseases endemic to them were non threatening if mutated to affect humans.The old world civilizations developed alongside the domestication of sheep, pig, horses and cattle. And within these cultures the viral strains that made cows sick, would generally wreck more havoc on a human host. Overtime the population of the old world was largely inoculated to diseases like smallpox, which was only one of many viral strains that originated in livestock that had mutated to find compatibility with humans.Once the Columbia interchange was establish its estimated that 90% of the inhabitants of North and South America, as well as remote pacific and uncontacted tribes, were wiped out by a bombardment of viral strains that humans were not meant to combat. tl:dr Yes
>>123702827It's a bit confusingCortez did use the source of the water as a siege point and main area to deploy his boat assault he blocked it in order to both pollute the reservoir and use it as means of attackThe Aztecs continued sacrificing captives immediately after the plague started so it might have been an unfortunate coincidence, Aztecs were not used to siege tactics at that point, they did accelerate the sacrifices to get rid of the plague so it's a logical conclusion although not a confirmed one
>>123702104>then enslaved on the sugar plantations for the rest of your miserable lives.What? People enslaved others their own race? This is not accurate. Only whites enslave, and they only enslaved blacks.
>>123702537Part of the reality of being an empire that rules through atrength and fear is that the first moment you show real weakness everyone you ruled will freely gang up on you and fuck you amd you better pray to god nobody stronger shows up.
>>123703094I know you are joking, but it's quite sad that there are "highly educated" people that believe that
>>123702104Cortes was actually a pretty cool dude, who has repeatedly beaten improbable odds. I wish there was media with sympathetic takes on him, because he's the protagonist material.
>>123702505>>123702567This. If even 10% of the stories about the Aztec's cruelty was true, the Aztecs were literally Dark Eldar. Their entire religion, society, and economy revolved around the capture and torturous execution of slaves. They believed that if they didn't rip the heart out of at least one person a day, the sun wouldn't rise. They believed if they didn't peel the skin off several slaves a year maize wouldn't grow. They believed if they didn't drown a few people a year it would never rain again. The list goes on. A lot of natives threw in with the Spaniards simply because they hated the Aztecs so much, and one tortured god who demands no sacrifices sounded better than an entire pantheon who demanded constant death
Was Pizarro worse than Cortes?
>>123704021The Aztecs would torture children to death so their tears would sustain the god of rain. Fuck em.
>>123702104I don't think he could legally enslave the stowaways.
>>123704078They were both fine, Peru has had it not so bad
>>123704162Of course he could, Cortes is the captain of the ship and the highest ranking military officer, he has full authority over the ship, and stowing away is a crime
>>123704200But they are subjects of the Spanish Crown. He has no legal bearing to enslave or sell them.
>>123704078Pizarro was honestly a wannabe Cortez, and he took his tard rage out on the quiet nerdy kids of South America. If anyone dindu nuffin it was the Inca. Atleast they only sacrificed their own kids.
>>123702104I think we are all getting away from the fact that Jesus "picked" his disciples by pretty much going up to a bunch of random fishermen and saying "follow me if you want salvation". He was not picky at all.
>>123704209He flogs them, then turns them over to the Spanish authorities in Cuba who God willing will flog them some more and enslave them.
>>123704209Cortes works for the Spanish Crown
>>123704258Nah, the story is that Christ’s selection was eternal and pre-determined, that He was looking into his disciples souls when He chose them, knowing who they would become
>>123704162Enslave? No. Enslavement had been made illegal in most of Europe by this point (Indentured servitude and slave trade involving already enslaved people where A-OK though)Slave like labor as a punishment for a crime? Sure at least as long as they where in his custody.
>>123704326This. Even Judas' role was predetermined. Really like the Judas from Jesus Christ Superstar, where he's a cynic who cannot tell if Jesus is a guru, revolutionary, or charlatan before finally deciding he must be a madman to be stirring up so much trouble for no discernable reason.
Why didn't he just magic himself away or use illusions
>>123702104Real hernan Cortes was based
>>123704864Magic isn't real my dude.
>>123702567Aztecs were coked up psychopaths. Cortes and Malinche and the central American tribes did nothing wrong wiping out the Aztecs
>>123702597Real life Chel Malinche was the true puppetmaster behind the conquest of Mexico. Look her up.
>>123702624Aztecs are not so different from the drug cartels that run mexico now
>>123702756>>123702791The old world viruses came a year after Cortes already conquered Tenochtitlan.
>>123702902>Once the Columbia interchange was establish its estimated that 90% of the inhabitants of North and South America, as well as remote pacific and uncontacted tribes, were wiped out by a bombardment of viral strains that humans were not meant to combat.Estimated by who? The 1619 commission?
>>123703228I'm gonna make a comic about him and malinche
>>123704021Old world blood magic moloch worship with a new world Jungle twist
>>123704078Cortes was supremely based. Pizarro less so.
>>123704236The Inca did human sacrifice too. They were just less industrial and technologically developed than the Aztecs. Too much cocaina
>>123702374He screwed over the non evil Mexican that sided with him.
>>123704021This might be true, however.Cortez was still a prick that once conquering the Aztecs decided to slave everyone.
>>123705127No. He taught them christianity and gave them a lifestyle not based on blood magic sacrifice.
>>123705163Look dude, just because they put a cross in an enslavement camp doesn't that make it a church. Politicians have used religion to justify their extraction of resources as long as humanity has existed.
>>123705149The New Laws in spain prevented the enslavement of native peoples in the Americas and gave them rights. The new law became official law in Spain in the late 1500s I believe
>>123705180The first slave holder in America was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
>>123705180Stop trying to rewrite history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Laws
>>123705220those laws where half assed.
>>123705180Actual Mestizo here. There are shades of grey throughout history and it's not hard to argue that the Aztecs were way way worse than the Spaniards. I won't hesitate to label their culture all many of it's practices evil. Colonization sucked. But don't pretend every culture that was erased were innocent noble savages
>>123705327The cultures weren't erased. Mayans and Aztecs and the rest still exist today, as does their culture and native traditions. Spain just made them stop the mass human sacrifice.
>>123705276They were based laws that explicitly banned slavery and the exploitation of natives in the new world. Sorry to shit all over your oppression narrative.
>>123705327That is true, its just a shame that colonization erased many cultures before they could evolved into a more fair. Europeans where barbaric in the past but they can still look back and appreciate their old culture, Mestizos can't say the same.
>>123705368The laws did ban slavery but the Encomendados only obey them partially and even after actually following the law they already had other methods to keep control over the natives.
>>123705429Better than what the aztecs did. Spain treated the natives the same as they treated their own peasantry.
Okay but what are our thoughts on Simón José Antonio de la Santísima Trinidad Bolívar y Ponte Palacios y Blanco
>>123705598absolute fags. Hernan Cortes was unironically based and unironically did nothing wrong.He was a prodigy in terms of both logistics and battlefield strategy, and also had more cajones than any man in spain.
A FUCKING REMINDER THAT MALINCHE WAS THE TRUE LEADER AND BRAINS OF THE CONQUEST OF MEXICO.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Malinche>Marina [maˈɾina] or Malintzin [maˈlintsin] (c. 1500 – c. 1529), more popularly known as La Malinche [la maˈlintʃe], was a Nahua woman from the Mexican Gulf Coast, who played a key role in the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, acting as an interpreter, advisor, and intermediary for the Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés. She was one of 20 enslaved women given to the Spaniards by the Natives of Tabasco in 1519. Later, she gave birth to Cortés's first son, Martín, who is considered one of the first Mestizos (people of mixed European and Indigenous American ancestry).
>>123706097Simon Bolivar is one man, you dip
>For the conquistadores, having a reliable interpreter was important enough, but there is evidence that Marina's role and influence were larger still. Bernal Díaz del Castillo, a soldier who, as an old man, produced the most comprehensive of the eye-witness accounts, the Historia verdadera de la conquista de la Nueva España ("True Story of the Conquest of New Spain"), speaks repeatedly and reverentially of the "great lady" Doña Marina (always using the honorific title Doña). "Without the help of Doña Marina", he writes, "we would not have understood the language of New Spain and Mexico." Rodríguez de Ocaña, another conquistador, relates Cortés' assertion that after God, Marina was the main reason for his success.>The evidence from Indigenous sources is even more interesting, both in the commentaries about her role, and in her prominence in the codex drawings made of conquest events. Although to some Marina may be known as a traitor, she was not viewed as such by all the Tlaxcalan. In some depictions they portrayed her as "larger than life," sometimes larger than Cortés, in rich clothing, and an alliance is shown between her and the Tlaxcalan instead of them and the Spaniards. They respected and trusted her and portrayed her in this light generations after the Spanish conquest. Native contemporary art depicts Malinche as larger than Cortes and leading negotiations while Cortes sits on his ass. The Native Tribes saw Malinche as the leader of the Anti-Aztec coalition. They saw Cortes and the Spaniards as her attack dogs that she had on a leash.
>>123706138You won’t ever hear about this for women’s history, either. It’s all Marie Curie and etc
>>123706176He was a gigantic flaming sodomite and homosexual, who encouraged his men to sodomize eachother instead of form families with the natives. Simon Bolivar is a globohomo jesuit faggot of the highest order.
>>123706203Damn, tell me more about that
>>123706186>In the Lienzo de Tlaxcala (History of Tlaxcala), for example, not only is Cortés rarely portrayed without Marina poised by his side, but she is shown at times on her own, seemingly directing events as an independent authority. If she had been trained for court life, as in Díaz's account, her relationship to Cortés may have followed the familiar pattern of marriage among native elite classes. The role of the Nahua wife acquired through an alliance would have been to assist her husband achieve his military and diplomatic objectives.>Today's historians give great credit to Marina's diplomatic skills, with some "almost tempted to think of her as the real conqueror of Mexico." In fact, old conquistadors on various occasions would remember that one of her greatest skills had been her ability to convince other Indians of what she herself could see clearly, which was that it was useless in the long run to stand against Spanish metal and Spanish ships. In contrast with earlier parts of Díaz del Castillo's account, after Marina's diplomacy began assisting Cortés, the Spanish were forced into combat on one more occasion. Cortes and the spaniards called her Dona Malinche, and Cortes himself said that aside from God, he held the lady in the highest esteem possible.
>>123706212>Similarly to some others in the history of American Independence (George Washington, Miguel Hidalgo, José de San Martín, Bernardo O'Higgins, Francisco de Paula Santander, Antonio Nariño, and Francisco de Miranda), Simón Bolívar was a Freemason. He was initiated in 1803 in the Masonic Lodge Lautaro, which operated in Cádiz, Spain. It was in this lodge that he first met some of his revolutionary peers, such as José de San Martín. In May 1806 he was conferred the rank of Master Mason in the "Scottish Mother of St. Alexander of Scotland" in Paris. During his time in London, he frequented "The Great American Reunion" lodge in London, founded by Francisco de Miranda. In April 1824, Simón Bolívar was given the 33rd degree of Inspector General Honorary.>He founded the Masonic Lodge No. 2 of Peru, named "Order and Liberty". https://www.rimasons.org/trestleboard/244-simon-bolivar-the-latin-american-liberator-and-freemasonry
>>123702374Nice bait kid
>>123702390Aztecs was not worse than any European nation before Rome
>>123706302Tell me what you think Cortes did wrong. Are you a supporter of Aztec human sacrifice cults?
>>123706317Aztecs practiced human sacrifice and slavery at an industrial scale unlike anything ever seen in Europe. And before the Aztecs, the Mayans were doing it too.Why do you support ancient child sacrifice cults so passionately, anon?
>>123702487The best part is how the Spaniards were even worse with the natives after the conquest.
>>123706361The natives were fine with the Spanish compared to the Aztecs. Cortes even legitimized his half native son Marten and made him heir to the Cortes name, and sent him to live as an aristocrat in Spain, where he grew up with Phillip thr future king.Spain hated the natives so much that they kept drafting legislation like the New Laws to give indigenous people more rights and protections.
>>123706361The Central American tribes chose to ally with the Aztecs. You are a racist patronizing bigot denying their agency.The Central American tribes asked for the Spanish to take them over and worked together in alliance with Spain to wipe out the Aztecs and their evil blood cult empire built on slavery and human sacrifice.Why do you defend Aztec slavers so passionately?
>>123706471Typo>The Central American tribes chose to ally with the Aztecs.**Spanish
>>123705355>The cultures weren't erased. Mayans and Aztecs and the rest still exist today, as does their culture and native traditions.Yeah, they exist as a tiny fraction of the population now in tiny pockets like the rest of Native culture across the Americas.
>>123702236Ruber punched out a dragon and his boys had steel skin.
>>123702236But did he had pride?
>>123704021>They believed that if they didn't rip the heart out of at least one person a day, the sun wouldn't rise. >They believed if they didn't peel the skin off several slaves a year maize wouldn't grow. >They believed if they didn't drown a few people a year it would never rain again. The list goes on.As opposed to civilized euros that managed to exterminate millions of heretics during internal religious wars or had a custom of torturing and burning women?
>>123708898Not even the Slavs went through half the horrors of those subjugated by the Aztecs
>>123702390The Dorodans didn't really seem too keen on the human sacrifice, and Miguel and Tulio reformed that out of their religion with their influence
>>123702593How convenient that magician guy just happened to land in front of Cortez's horse after getting drained in that whirlpool
>>123704864>Prince of Egypt comedic priest turned into the villain of the other film in productionThis guy sucked. He wasn't funny or threatening
>>123702104What a shitty bore of a movie. Sorta alarming that this is considered an underrated gem nowadays
>>123708898>Killing as a punishment is somehow comparable to killing to make the sun rise every day
>>123711098>Genocide is killing as a punishmentYikes.
>>123702797>has a full fleet equipped with gunsHe sank his boats so there was no way but through the Aztecs. The boats they used later on in the siege of Tenochtitlan they built on the lake
>>123702902North America was devastated and the Anglos moved into an empty continent, but Cortés fought a full strength Aztec empire. Smallpox only came along once the fighting was over.
>>123711098>Your daily religiously motivated public murder is different from my daily religiously motivated public murder
>>123702505I really wonder why such war games, for lack of a better term, were a constant with Native American societies. They didn't seem serve much function outside of social advancement.
>102 posts>5 imagesI guess this isn't gonna be a based Chelposting thread after all...
>>123706361They honestly preferred being ritually cannibalized
>>123713210Powhatan at least had the beginnings of the proper Kingdom going. That kind of thing takes real warfare and not playing around.
>>123713213These animators deserved a better story and screenplay. This was boring and uninteresting to watch. Kinda pointless
>>123705355Existing as a throwaway minority that nobody gives two shits about with no real political power and are shot at whenever someone wants a new gold mine compared to once literally owning the country isn't much of an existence, anon.
>>123702104What was even the point of this film? Nobody learns anything, develops as a person, or ends up in a better position than when it started ( other than Chel being now part of the team ) The whole thing felt hollow and meandering
>>123702390Didn't their own prophecies of their shitty god quetzalcoatl doom them too? Lol
>>123702902>Human settlement of the Americas was resulted in a ecological holocaust for many of the endemic species. Expansion across the americas was swift and much of the native herbivore fauna had no real time to adapt to the new dominant predatory species.Not to mention that they were sweeping through right as the ice age was ending and a lot of species would already be struggling to adapt to the changing climate. It was essentially a one-two punch of extinction events.
>>123713210Because proadaptive societies are not a given. Societal collapse is far more common than you think, cultures are NOT equal at all. There is a reason why the Americans never made it out of the stone age, and that was because their cycles of societal collapse never ended - while in Europe and Asia that cycle was put on hold long enough for technology to survive to the next phase.This is not to say that the Native Americans were stupid, but rather - again - that societal collapse is the norm. Europe and Asia are the abnormal ones.
>>123713210As pointed out>>123713937 not all cultures are created equalMexicas were a blight before becoming Aztecs to the point myths of monsters that wore the skin of people and called the names of their loved ones originated from the actual Mexican tactic of killing scouts/hunters from other tribes, learning to mimic their last words or screams of agony as they skin them and wearing their skin to assault the settlements, Mexicas were monsters before they conquered Tenochtitlan and actually had an exodus that caused famine war and devastation on its path as they moved from USA territory to their promised landSay wathever you want but cultural unification, property management, lordship and inheritance created a perfect storm for Europe to avoid the multiple collapses it fared from going full cultural reset, Christians recording history during the middle ages later lead to the reinassance and later liberalism and illumination into the industrial revolution Aztecs put their cult above anything, they worshiped the smoke and mirror deity as the one that owned them and really believed in cycles and the debt of blood being needed for the world to work, this shit was doomed to collapse and destroy all the other tribes with them even without Cortez factoring inThink about it, mayans suffered agricultural collapse, Aztecs would have destroyed their own human resources eventually or clashed with North American tribes eventually after they destroyed everything in Mexican territories, there's really not way to avoid that path
>>123713937>. Europe and Asia are the abnormal ones.That's like saying bigger half of mankind is abnormal.
>>123714332China is the odd one and the Indian empire before Muslims invadedDo you know how many genocides happened in China or how many lost cultures existed in India before the empires formed? The cycle of cultural collapse was almost as cruel as motherfucking Africa the bucket of crabs of the world
>>123713550The point was that people should travel in big well armed groups to avoid misundertsandings.
>>123713550>>123714420This was the first of a series of road to animated movies just like the road to movies did before.Chel was part of the sex appeal and fun of a group of bantering friends that go and have adventures across the worldIn an alternate Timeline wo would have had road to Morocco, Atlantis, Utopia and other cool places and they would have been aimed to the young adult franchise having proven they didn't have to stay PG to make money, that's the reason why they fought so hard to keep Chel sexy, they wanted to have cool road to animated movies aimed to teens and adults so it's a shame el Dorado failed
>>123703228There's a show on amazon prime, Hernánhttps://www.primevideo.com/detail/Hern%C3%A1n/0O738B0LJ4BGEI3LQD3EGSS262
>>12370503190% is an estimated statistic that has been established hundreds of years before the 1619 project and whatever that is about.From eyewitness accounts at the time, and from more recent documentation of uncontacted isolated tribal communities, the survivability rate has been documented be be around 10%. But it depends on the disease and how isolated any particular group has been from the population centers of the old world.
>>123714789>Filler movie with a paperthin story and underdeveloped characters created to start Dreamworks's first movie franchiseGlad this failed. You can't tell they didn't care about good storytelling when making this, only about the future expansions and competing against Disney. It deserved to flop
>>123715691Heck, the simple fact that this was a ripoff of Kingdom of the Sun and got rushed to theaters to come out before Emperor's New Groove and make Disney look bad is more than enough reason for this deserving to flop and not getting any sequels or expansions.
>>123715691Honestly it would have been cool
anybody know if the native american (US) tribes knew about the aztec empire? they must've been terrified if so.
>>123715691a movie about Cortes and the war against Tenochtitlan with a Prince of Egypt feel would've been pure kino
>>123702422The Aztec were killing all the other tribes by offering them as constant sacrifices. They got what they deserved.
>>123717402Many of their myths are tied to the Mexica Exodus, hell even before they left they hated their bloodthirsty ways
Didn't Spain punish Christopher Columbus for his retarded cruelty?>>123704021Sweet Jesus man...
>>123704021To be entirely fair, if you were absolutely convinced that all of reality would fall apart and everyone would die unless you tore out that still-beating heart, AND that those crying babies were the ONLY way to get rain and let people eat because the rain god is petty and spiteful, you'd do it in a heartbeat. You'd do anything, pay any price, if it meant the universe got to keep functioning at all. Even your own soul is a pittance, weighed against all that is or ever could be falling back into the primordial chaos.
>>123713495They had a chance to integrate into society yet they still prefer to stay away of it, leeching from it and selling their 7 y.o daughters for cattle or money, I wish the Spaniards finished the jobt. Mexican
>>123706138I'm not even mad, I literally would not exist had it not been for her and Cortes.
>>123719209Columbus being a cruel despot was a black legend made up by the English during their war with Spain.
>>123702104Cortes stole every scene he was in in this movie. so badass
>>123721043>every scene he was inyeah... all 3 of them
>>123705392The world is divided enough as it is. It doesn't need any more cultures to fight with.
>>123719407I see you are well acquaintanced with Tojolabal marrying practices, sometimes they sell their daughters for just booze, it is that bad