Why did blacks have so much representation in the 90s? Are you hoping for any cool black hero?
I assumed it had to do with the success of Beverly Hills Cop
>>122807852Imagine if they where released today. /co/ will be furious.
The thing is, they were just developing properties people had faith in back in the nineties. People had a passion for the first three characters, Blade got on the vampire bandwagon, Spawn was a huge comic begging to be developed and Steel was probably greenlit because even normals had heard of the Death of Superman and his replacements. Meteor Man could be the only one that had a black empowerment message as it's main theme.
>>122807852because in the 90's we had the same stuff going on as today. except we called it by different names
>>122808079>>122808125Can't see it.These are characters who were always black or just plainly original and made for film, not adapted.
>>122807852Blade and Spawn are cool, black heroes today are just dopey nerds and fags
>>122808245Even the character they turn black are not important to plot and don't compare to amount of blacks in the past.
>>122807852>Are you hoping for any cool black hero?yeah I want someone cool and chadlike instead of the beta boy nerd cuck black friend you see so much in cartoons like Craig from CoTC and Clyde.
>>122808245 Lol they make original black characters today ppl still bitch and cry about sjw's you can't win
>>122808397>"""original"""" black characterslmao
>>122808350So maybe it's not the representation or the volume of it, but the bastardization of a beloved property to fit an agenda that while noble, will be demonized as it entitles itself to every mean, justified by its righteousness. Obviously representation is more important than a character staying redheaded, but its seen as much more legitimate by all to develop original concepts, or faithfully adapt existing ones.
>>122808456Complaints I seen: black panther, background characters, original hero taking another hero mantle. A fantasy samurai show that only use a person name like other samurai anime made /co/ angry.
>>122807852what are you talking about? none of those movies were made with that in mind and nobody cared about that.>>122808090>Meteor Man could be the only one that had a black empowerment message as it's main theme.no it didn't. i just rewatched it last year and it was about poor neighborhoods with rampant crime as was the concern at the time. there is no racial commentary. underrated film, btw
>>122808397One could argue Miles Morales is not an original character. Nor is Tim Fox kinda is, but not really. They are poorly developed legacies. Bishop is though. John Stewart is a well fleshed out legacy at this point, but was always distinct.
>>122808079/co/ would literally chimp out FOR a Steel, Blade, or Spawn movie in 2020+
>>122808556I don't think it hits you over the head with race, and I concede that it may be more intended towards class, but given its producers and cast, it was about representation in act, not in statement. They made a black movie and they didn't have to tell people it was a black movie.
>>122808544>original hero taking another hero's mantleso an unoriginal hero?
>>122807852Lol. So much representation. The 90's was based as fuck for not pandering to the shitskin criminal filth.
>>122807852That was a SMALL fraction of the black superheroes in comics at the time.>>122808079>>122808125>>122808397>>122808544Literally every black character now is a race swap. There are ZERO original black characters in recent /co/ related media.
>>122807852>Pluto Man is the only one who did something for the Black community >Would be seen as a Uncle Tom now a days because of his outlook in life.
>>122808629If Robin becomes batman nobody will call him unoriginal.
>>122808544To be fair. Black Panther, like Wonder Woman, were movies that received too much accolades based on their moral stances than their actual quality.Wonder Woman straight up sucked, it was just regular. Black Panther was ok, but being taken as a point of pride by African Americans was embarrassing.
>>122808629I guess Barry Allen and Hal Jordan are unoriginal heroes>>122808663the 90s never had Spiderverse therefore it loses.
>>122808701>If Robin becomes batman nobody will call him unoriginal.>an already existing, well known and most closely associated character takes up the mantle of he who was his mentorOh, anon
>>122808740If Barry had been basically Jay but Asian, that would have been unoriginal. It wasn't very original to begin with, granted, but it was much more distinct than Miles and Peter.
>>122807852Time is a closed circle, unironically.
>>122808782Why does pic related make you mad?How about black manta son becoming aquaman?How come Green lantern did not trigger you in the past?
>>122808874Because this happened now.
>>122808815The only place Miles resembles Peter is in Spiderman: Homecoming. And that's because 1.they borrowed so much from Miles' comic (Ganke, creepy goth gf).2.Homecoming peter is nothing like 616 peter.If comic characters actually aged up this would never be a problem.
>>122807852Half of those are shit
>>122808701But those heroes don't have a Batman-Robin relationship, it's just some rando designated to put on the mantle. Putting one guy in another hero's costume IS unoriginal, it's just a tweak on the status quo, completely different from giving them an original identity (like Nightwing). >>122808874>Why does pic related make you mad?It doesn't>How come Green lantern did not trigger you in the past?The point of the Green Lantern is that it is interchangeable, not the same thing as others.
>>122808874>Why does pic related make you mad?But it doesnt?>How about black manta son becoming aquaman?I can't care about Aquaman, it's just not in me. Geoff John's can eat a tuna dick.>How come Green lantern did not trigger you in the past?Aren't there lots of GL's? Like weird alien ones? Black guy GL isn't so far off. Baz sucks though, sucks hard.
>>122808897Yeah. Nobody cared about nick fury or iron patriot in the past.
>>122808910Miles was just Ultimate Pete in characterization.
>>122808678>There are ZERO original black characters in recent /co/ related media.Falcon? He had his own showLuke Cage? (although he hasn't been in much since 2018)Black Lightning? The tv show
>>122808957because back than they did not change stuff because of sjw politic bullshit.thats why.
>>122808931>>122808931Isn't it common for a new guy to take a hero mantle. We have multiple Robins, flash, supergirl and more.
>>122808931>completely different from giving them an original identity (like Nightwing).Probably the single best example of why it doesnt work... people can accept him, but Fucking NOONE wants to actually read/watch Dick cosplaying around as batman. It's fun for maybe a couple scenes here and there. But people like Batman, because he's Batman, not someone in Batmans costume. People liked Dick a whole lot better when he just went off Nightwing, and Agent Grayson, and it showed in sales.
>>122809050What is SJW? I never get this complaint.
>>122809050No, the reason is you weren't stuffed with years of propaganda back then or you simply weren't old enough to complain about it.
>>122808874>Why does pic related make you mad?The concept doesn't, the execution does.SEE PIC RELATED!
>>122807852I would not put Meteor Man as a good example of Black representation in superhero Fucking Blankman is a better representation than that, and that's saying something
>>122808079>confusing the /tv/ tourists and Youtube outrage shills with /co/Did you start going here in the 2010s or are you just a shill
>>122808991One was the classic teen who can't juggle work, relationships and superhero-ing.The other one focused more on imposter syndrome and family drama.They're nothing alike unless you make being a teen and superhero their only traits.
>>122809097Honestly, I really hate that.>A boy pupil for Batman? Well he'll be a Robin! A girl? Batgirl/woman it is!>10 different red/yellow motherfuckers with bolts on their ears>The league of (powerful)(people), like SuperMan, PowerGirl, SuperGirl(...)
>>122807852same reason you see so much SJW stuff today. Media companies want to over correct for the widespread mistreatment of Black people to try and pacify the riots in response to stuff like Rodney King in the 90's or George Floyd/Breonna Taylor/whichever Martyr of the week, while still obviously making no fundamental change to how black people are treated. OJ's juror's let him off because the LAPD was afraid of what the black community's response to his freedom would be. That being said, Todd should try to get zack snyder to make the net spawn movie. Who would be a better fit for movie about a guy that's basically Batman+Venom who kills people with fire and chains?
>>122809161Probably the most sensible and straightforward answer that is rooted in reality...which is why no one on /co/ will read it or accept it.
>>122808397idiots gonna idiot
>>122807852Who is bottom left?
>>122809025Don't waste time arguing with morons. He will take falcon as a race swapped cap no matter what the comic book wikias tell him. He's the flat earth society of /co
>>122809161bullshit.like twitter and hollywood wanna tell us back than we didnt had diversity in movies.bullshit.
>>122807852The 90s were all about extreme violence, so, of course blacks were everywhere.
EVERYONE ELSE HERE IS BRAINWASHEDOnly I am the true independent thinker, of enlinghtened opinions. No possible opinion any you have is valid because I'm the ONLY true thinker here and you are a pig being fed propaganda. And what I say is that robots are cooler than boring humans anyways, and we shouldn't care about flesh representation when silver representation is superior.
I know where we are but Meteor Man was the best. And he even became Marvel canon. You just have to ignore who he got the other part of the meteor from.
>>122809702You should at least be self aware that diversity became a problem to you in this decade. In the 80s we had cartoons mr.T A-team, Harlem Globe trotter, GI Joe and more.
>>122807852It's pretty crazy how each and every one of them was the first ever black superhero. Then Black Panther became the first ever black superhero movie.
>>122808079no way, most of those are kino
>>122810238The bottom right is actually the first black movie hero. I can't think of sooner.
>>122808079These are original characters, not repplacement, thus /co/ would ignore it unless it got popular, at which point we'd sneer and call them shit reactively
>>122807852>Why did blacks have so much representation in the 90s?Because, contrary to popular belief, the 90s (and in some ways the 80s) were more woke than we are nowadays. Eminem and South Park and the SpikeTV edgelordy pop culture of the late 90s and early 2000s were a bit of a backlash to that. Nowadays there's less representation but way more jerking off about what representation there is.Also in the 90s, before the internet destroyed the monoculture, movie stars were still stars and people would go see a movie just because Eddie Murphy was in it, so a lot of popular black stand-up comedians got to star in movies using scripts white actors didn't want. Blade was more a blaxploitation movie with vampires, but there wasn't really a *notable* black superhero movie until Black Panther.
Blade and Spawn are cool tho
>>122812186>would ignore it unless it got popular,This show had a 1 week shitstorm for doing something almost every samurai show done. Most of the complaints was pre-released.
>>122807852BasketballNot even joking
>>122807852People in the 90's understood that we're all people. People back then had thicker skin and knew how to joke around and how to take a joke.
>>12281244880s Reaganism was a reaction to 70s hippies90s Wokeness was a reaction to Reaganism2000s edgelordiness was a reaction to 90s wokeness 2010s wokeness was a reaction to Bush-era edgelordiness. We'd probably be in an anti-woke phase now, but Trump became president and scrambled things a little by making wokeness the culture and the counter-culture at the same time. The politicization of absolutely everything is making it difficult for America to reach a new cultural consensus on anything.
>>122812448That term woke is shit and no one in the 90s used that term.
>>122808245this/co/mblr once again making up strawmen to call anybody critical of sjw changes to hobbies a “nazi”
>>122812849People in the 90s were not "woke" you fool. That shit term came with Gen Z fags. People talked shit about each other openly with the understanding that deep down we respected or disliked each other based on merit.
>>122812883This. People really be all sleepin' till the new millenium
>>122812883>>122812943They weren't woke, they were "politically correct", but it's the exact same thing.
>>122812956No that's not true either. Again that shitty term "woke" just sounds like nigger slang and all it does is drive people away from any rational thinking. People now just use buzzwords without thinking.
>>122812995People were not politically correct either numbnuts, the 90s extreme shit applied to late night talk show hosts and comedians. People just ignored divisive race garbage.
>>122813025word, this nigga here wit da big brain
>>122813025whoa, demz fightan words, bruv
>>122813090It just saddens me to see billionaires take advantage of distract and confuse young people through their social media and behind the scenes think tanks and their attack on public schools.
>>122813115No, you're just an oversensitive Gen Z fag in all likelihood, so you get easily distracted by my use of the word nigger, which I don't mean in a racist way it's just a part of 90's and early 2000's 4chan culture, and as usual you missed the actual point that people in the 90's talked shit about each other all the time but we understood deep down that it was alright because people in the 90's were politically incorrect in public but not racist in actuality.
>>122807852No Blankman, such a pleb, OP.
>>122813292I just want to add to this a bit. Now a days people act politically correct "woke" in public but now it's nearly impossible to tell who's actually racist deep down or not. That's what happens in "woke" culture now. People virtue signal in public but often times it's just fake shit to throw people off their true agenda.
>>122812995>politically correctSimpsons, family guy, and south park started in the 90s and it was considered politically incorrect. I'm not sure any cartoons have right wing ideologies. Unless if you count Christian stuff. Most cartoons had progressive morals. Apolitical shows are a rarity.
>>122808874>Why does pic related make you mad?Because I already liked Falcon before and making him Cap ruins him as a character with a dogshit story made by a hack writerOn top of everything you can't go back on that without niggers and wokies chimping out because of Hollywood brainwashing
>>122807852Because people didnt mind since it wasnt crammed down their throat. Anyways porch monkeys arent really worth even talking about unless its posting lettersN
>>122813403>>122813292Anon, you know that posts is ironic, right? no one says demz on 4chan
>>122812893>>122808245You had nonstop bitching about Black Panther.
>>122813468First of all network TV shows weren't as wild as 90's era comedians but even so the shows you mention actually were quite politically incorrect by today's standards. Apu was cancelled by Disney now for example and even South Park is getting backlash now.A comedian like Jay Leno would be booed off stage now because people can't take a joke anymore.
>>122809107>Fucking NOONE wants to actually read/watch Dick cosplaying around as batman.It was popular enough that they kept Dick as Batman even after Bruce was back.
>>122809702There was basically token diversity in the 80s and 90s where you got black side characters outside of few cases like the Cosby show, etc. where you had a specific black POVs. And briefly when people thought Japan was the next big thing during the bubble years you had some minor asian representation as girlfriends and bad guys.
>>122809370Meteor Man features a black cast about a black superhero fighting black criminals within a black community. How the fuck is it not a good example of Black representation? You can criticize it on Townsend's politics, but that's still Black politics.
>>122813703Bullshit. Arsenio Hall had his own late night talk show, Wayans brothers had a dope ass tv show, spawn had a cartoon on HBO, Wayans brothers also had their own version of SNL it was called In Living Color etc. You don't know shit about the 90s.
>>122813613South Park has always received backlash, do you not remember the fucking movie coming out?
>>122813825Yeah but the baclash back then was from out of touch superoldfags, now it's from oversensitive youngerfags.
>>122813800That’s why I said you had some outliers. I watched Moesha and Gregory Hines Show back in the day but those were far from being big shows on major channels, only things like the Cosby Show with strong black POV had major success with actual cultural impact and status akin to white shows. If you were Asian, you had like, Joy Luck Club and, I dunno, Sammo Hung’s Martial Law and that was about it.
QUIT SHITTING UP THE THREAD WITH IRRELEVANT DISCUSSION AND HELP ME U AUTISTIC NECK BEARD MT DEW CHUGGING SJW FAGGOTSN
>>122814149Well at least they tried, whether they were successful over the long term or not... I mean it's a tough business, something like Milestone comics was doing well enough that it got bought out by DC but that goes for any TV show or product. Most small businesses or new shows end in failure due to not being able to compete with thebudgets of the big guns, that's more of a systemic financial problem.
>>122807852Funny thing is, these are way better black characters than any of the bullshit put out in the modern age
>>122814301Dude fuck u fuckin assholeNo one cares about ur retarded opinion. Were here to post letters and type sage in th3 options
>>1228143920/10 you try too hard and still fail.
>>122814414>>122814353Samefag>reeee he doesnt like my gay sjw faggot topics so hes a trollNo u stupid mother fucker its a retarded topic. Dont u have some kid shows u could shitpost about?N
>>122807852Man I love 1st Blade movie
>>122814470Dude ur nobody. Who gives a shit what u like?>>122814461I
>>122807852Goddamn that Spawn suit still looks cool
>>122814461Shut up you unfunny cunts, tryhard loser.
I just want a show similar to Static shock where the appeal of the hero isnt the fact that he is black, had moral teachings that werent pretty much strictly tied to politics and wasnt filled with the same hypocrisy that twitter has of preaching against racism while shitting on whites
>>122813569The autistic minority is not /co/. Black panther wasn't even "white bad". The conflict was almost entirely black.
>>122809025>>122809694No one complains about any of those. Not even your /pol/ bogeyman.
>>122812849>70s hippiesMore like 70s ecologism, feminism, and USA's post-Vietnam crisis.
>>122814800Go to /tv/ and look at the archive
>>122814644Imagine thinking my posts are about amusing u. What a man child u are. Typical sjw. Knows nothing except what cnn tells him.
>>122807852>Why did blacks have so much representation in the 90s?Good question, don't really know the answer. Today however, there's a very heightened sensitivity towards who's allowed to write what characters. There's a growing belief that only Blacks can write Black characters, Asians can only write Asian characters, etc. In every Western country, there's more white people than black people, so by dint there's going to be more white writers than black authors, and if only black people can "adequately" write black characters, it's no wonder there's a shortage today.
>>122814688Mosiac and Naomi
>>122815800Seriously what caused this?
>>122808712It was so bizarre everyone talking about Black Panther like if it was the first movie with a black main character.It was like being on an alternate reality.
>>122808079Dude,I would be mad happy if we got another solid Wesley Snipes Blade and MJW Spawn movie
>>122807852People liked blacks back then. Now we just put up with them
>>122808712>>122817349The fanfare behind Black Panther was bewildering. I felt like I had entered the twilight zone, stuck in some parallel world where the Blade and Spawn movies never happened, and Black Panther was the new Goodfellas.People are fucking weird man
>>122807852>Why did blacks have so much representation in the 90s?Because the economy was booming.Good economy = more risks taken, like studios gambling with "urban" characters.
>>122815800>In every Western country, there's more white people than black people, so by dint there's going to be more white writers than black authorsThen why are so many media writers in fact, Jewish?
>>122818976So why are companies taking real risk with LGBT characters? Most black characters are not "urban" b t w.
>>122819003Jews are either a minority providing "diversity" or they are just white so not worth mentioning depending on which narrative is convenient at the timeIf you criticize or complain their over-prominence you obviously are a literal nazi anti-Semite who needs to have his entire career canceled and needs to be ostracized from society.
>>122812849The 90s were characterized by apathy, not wokeness.
>>122813783There wasn't enough buffonery for the average anon's tastes.
>>122807852To this day I will defend that John Leguizamo's Violator is easily one of the best portrayals of a comic book character I have ever seen.
>>122818945It was weird
>>122817212From a non-cynical standpoint, my best guess is a misallocation of empathy. Not that empathy isn't deserved in this case, only that it wasn't put in the right spot. At some point in the last 12 years or so, it was like white people collectively went "Oh wow, we've done some pretty awful shit in the past, let's make up for it!" Only the way they made up for it was just by including more visible minorities in the media. Not actually helping restructure poor/shitty communities (mostly because that'd actually be quite hard, but also probably because they didn't want to suggest these communities ever did anything wrong themselves). It's really fucking bizarre when you think about it. Rather than improve real lives, they just decided to give them more escapism instead.The other problem with this approach is that while white people have done some pretty bad shit, the harsh reality is we're far from the only ones. But by only showing the spotlight on the bad stuff white people do, it's completely ignoring all of the other bad stuff happening in the world at the moment. China's concentration camps are a pretty good example. Some journalists have known about those since 2019 (and even made documentaries about it in that year), but you never really heard about it until late last year/earlier this year. It's fucked.So now we're at a point where there's so much wrong with the world that it's going to take everyone to putting aside their differences before we can set things right. However everyone would rather just point fingers for this thing or that thing, and as such, nothing is ever done.tl;dr white people felt bad for colonization so decided to make up for it by hating themselves and putting more non-whites on TV.
>>122823521>12 yearsHe had visible minorities for at least 5 decades.
>>122823914Yes, but there wasn't this massive push for them until 12 years ago or so. They were slowly but surely gaining more and more relevance, but then it was like someone put the petal to the metal on the whole thing. While they're definitely in more shows and movies, in almost all cases they've been reduced to mere checkboxes on a list of requirements.
>>122824125>massive push Their are less blacks in modern entertainment. It like they are not even trying lol. You will have to be delusional and ignore your childhood to think that this decade is more than the past.
>>122820232The LGBT market itself is largely irrelevant. Queer people simply don't make up enough of the population to be anything than a niche market in and of themselves. They're large enough that you want them consuming your product, but you don't want them being the only ones. For the most part there is no real risk being taken with LGBT characters, there are safe and measured appeals to queer audiences while being careful not to alienate other demographics.
I'm still butthurt about Luke Cage getting cancelled and Iron Fist being terrible
>>122823521>But China bad!Yes it is but come the fuck on. What are you gonna do about it? You wanna go to war with China? You gonna take the technology their sweatshops built out of your phone and computer?Get your own house in order first before throwing rocks and doing this relative privation fallacy shit.
>>122820301To this day I will defend John Leguizamo as one of the most underrated modern performers in general.
>>122812893>>122808245We just went through a cycle of shitposting and rage about a Yasuke anime. Quit lying out of your ass.
>>122817212Probably the fact that white men kept dominating the field so even when you were telling all kinds of different stories now, your POV was still very limited to a white man's understanding of the subject, so in order to make things more equal and authentic and actually give people (of color) ability to tell their own stories, rather than having nearly entirely white creative team being the ones getting to decide how for example Malcolm X should be portrayed, without really understanding what Malcolm meant to black people. Because most people don't have the time or resources or interest to do deep research. A good example of this is how the way women are written has changed over the years. Back in the day all male writing teams didn't really know fuck all about women's personal lives or their issues like tampons, menstruation cramps, what staying at home with the kids is actual blike, etc. so they rarely wrote about them from that perspective, or only did very superficial things with them, because they had no lived experience or interest in women being other than depicting them as complainant/annoying wives/girlfriends.Or, look how someone like Stan Lee or Jack Kirby wrote the Black Panther without really understanding black and African culture vs. someone like Christopher Priest writing Black Panther. Of course this can in the worst case scenario lead to just tokenism, like Priest being offered only black characters, but that's more of a managerial problem where you have to keep an eye on how and who you keep hiring, because everyone has these unconscious biases and it requires active effort to look at what you're doing.
>>122818945Black Panther was the first big budget international summer action blockbuster movie about black people with predominantly black cast that emphasized African culture and issues related to black experience. Sure, you had stuff like Blade before, but Blade was one black dude in a mid tier R-rated that otherwise had majority white casting, and didn't really do anything with Blade being black, so it doesn't resonate the same way. Black Panther feels like a black movie to people. Blade felt like a normal, average movie and by that I mean "white"' in this context, because majority of everything in Hollywood is produced by that default approach where you don't have to address race or issues because white people as the majority don't need that kind of visible representation because everything already caters to them by default.
>>122819003Jews are white. And the reason Jews are so big in the creative field is because their culture is deeply rooted in encouraging creative arts, even when there is no job stability or guarantee of success.
>>122825645The main flaw in your argument is that Christopher Priest is from Queens, and as such had exactly as much first-hand knowledge about African culture as Lee or Kirby. Setting aside that Wakanda isn't a real culture and it has massive discrepancies that preclude it from directly mirroring real world cultures, of course. Authenticity and verisimilitude are not the same thing, and one does not presume the other.
>>122825838You’re forgetting that plenty of Priest’s BP actually took place in America which was played intentionally for comedy when American black culture and Wakanda royalty met, and Priest was able to build a much more vibrant and rich culture for Wakanda than what previous writers had done, because as a black man he bothered to do research, instead of being like say Edgar Rice Burrough who had plenty of inaccuracies about Africa when writing Tarzan.
>>122809786>You just have to ignore who he got the other part of the meteor from.What happened?
>>122826011Yes, but you also have to take into account the discrepancies between the availability of information, and the quality of said information, available in the early 20th century versus the early 21st century.
>>122826027Let's just say it was Bill Cosby who saved the day.