Goku vs Superman 3 when? We know Strunt math is going to be in full effect. What will happen?
Using strunt math then base Superman is like 501 trillion universes without any amps
>>122797793I'm a gokufag and I accept superman wins. There's like dozen of different versions of superman dethbattle will fuse together.
>>122797868>There's like dozen of different versions of superman dethbattle will fuse together.Nah only one is needed.
>>122797843>Anonymous 05/03/21(Mon)23:55:21 No.122797843▶>Using strunt math then base Superman is like 501 trillion universes without any ampsthen why does he job?
>>122797892Because strunt math never works in non-power scaling settings.
>>122797892As a writer, your job is to come up with a good story that fits the character, not appease the crippling autism of power level fags
>>122797843But he wasn't able to handle Perpetua who had to rest everytime she destroyed one (1 (uno)) universe ?
>>122797941Scott Snyder was really weird in his writing. Basically, Perpetua was not good at destroying things. She could only create things using energies given to her from the source. After she got sealed in the source wall she lost that energy. She was fodder, having to actually try to steal Dr. Manhattan’s connective energy in order to raise back up to her previous status. The only reason why Perpetua wasn’t one-shot was because of Snyder’s shitty writing and Perpetua’s children and her Monitor physiology that gave her insane resistances to everything. Basically plot armor.
>>122797793WHY IS THIS FUCKING BOARD OBSESSED WITH DEATH BATTLE?!
>>122797979Because it’s cool
>Only 369k views RWBYbros, why are we flopping? Is Death Battle also dying? You told me that Mikasa was going to attract more audience than the Mitsuru fight. This shilling tactic isn't working, what the hell?
>>122798103Stop talking about Rwby. The match is over. Let that dying series go.
>>122798103They need to break already the "in case of emergency" Ruby vs. Maka, or Neo vs. Harley Quinn. It's the only way to get more views and shilling to save this damned company.
>>122797843>Using strunt math then base Superman is like 501 trillion universes without any ampsAnd using canon, he can't destroy a moon without knocking himself out.
>>122798138NO. WE CANNOT FALL INTO OBLIVION AND DIE WITH ROOSTER TEETH. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEXT AVATAR!!!
>>122797977According to Scalingfaggots every writer working for DC is shit for not appealing to their headcanon.CAS was seriously damaged by the heat of 10 billion sun? Well Morrison's just a massive retard? Snyder made Perpetua one of the strongest beings in DC only a universe-buster? Snyder should kill hilself gor not understanding that it's a "Superman level feat"These scalingfaggots are so far up their own ass with their headcanon that they literally can't accept canon. It's weird.
>>122797918Dragonball manage to constantly scale up. Why can't superman do same?
https://youtu.be/OPctga8T-GM@18:25Some faggot is calling you out Otto
>>122798383Because Superman isn't DBZ.DBZ centers around training and power-growth. The next villain is always more powerful.Superman doesn't train, and his power doesn't grow. That's why Zod, in one day's time under the Sun is his equal. That's why characters like Darkseid, Mongul are always a threat to him despite not growing in power.
>>122798382The thing with scalefags is that they will take the most over the top feat they can find and wank that as the most canon and true overall power of their character even if canon and many other feats say otherwise. Like CAS they will go with him being this super unstoppable thing and ignore the 10 billion suns thing because that is hardly shit in comparison to his most wanked stuffSame with dragonball. You got them saying Goku is worth like a billion universes because of random likely out of date multiplier shit being applied to an anime only universe shockwave feat only for such a thing to never happen again and Goku proceeds to get punked by a bearhug from the LoraxHowever that's generally just how powerfag threads go.
>>122797793it's another>Charges attacks for 20 seconds ManVS>Faster than a speeding bullet Manepisode
>>122798382DC writers are numerous, braindead and contradict each other. Snyder is an idiot who wanted his OC to be super strong but failed at it, had Superman bust World Forger than job to Perpetua. DB is hardly consistent either. Toriyama who makes stuff up on the go and is too old to care, and his Toei and Toyotaro lackeys. Goku punches and threatens the universe and according to scaling should be 100000x universal by Moro Arc UI, than jobs to Moro's galaxy explosion. It's up to interpretation on what make the most sense.
>>122798103Kys rubyfag no one cares about a shitty scaled up passion project being disney-tier handled by some dying corporation
>>122798214Why Harley? She'd just die, she's a street leveler. She's not appreciably super-humanly strong, fast, or durable. If she gets shot, she dies. At least put Neo in a fight where she has to work for it. And it'd satisfy Ben's taste in mid 2000s anime.
>>122798474>That's why Zod, in one day's time under the Sun is his equal.>That's why characters like Darkseid, Mongul are always a threat to him despite not growing in power.With all the Feats Superman has under his belt why are these guys somewhat "still a threat" to him?
>>122798383Remember when Goku was powerful enough to blow up the moon but not strong enough to stand up straight on King Kai's planet? Standing in 10 Gs is something Spider-Man could do without even noticing. Dragon Ball is packed full of inconsistencies that make the jobbing in Superman books seem tame.
>>122797918Consistent power levels are in tandem with consistent writing
>>122798621Who is left?
>>122798488lol Dragonball is not complex.>new bad guy is stronger than last >goku lose at first and get zenki>get a new transformation >win >rinse and repeat
New DB is #4 Trending on YTalso who the hell is Iron Fist and why is he fighting Kung FU panda?
>>122798617Its not so much that but the nature of Dragonball powers. All of their shit is ki based and the main thing is the ki lasers acting like needles to pop a planet like a balloon. It's why they aren't going around bench pressing mountains and shit. They aren't the raw physical strength type.
>>122798617Seriously why is hard for you to understand energy ki output and strength do no correlate?
>>122798648>Who is Iron Fist and why is he fighting Kung Fu PandaIron Fist is a marvel martial arts based hero. He is fighting Po because martial artists theme
when is my boy getting an episode. we need more monstersHis most requested match is charizard but that is kinda lame
>>122797843What is strunt math?
>>122798617>Dragon Ball is packed full of inconsistencies that make the jobbing in Superman books seem tame.Remember that time when Harley 1v3 Superman, Batman and Wonderwoman ?Or when Black Panther fullnelson'd Silver Surfer ?
>>122798617They use Ki to augment their strength, it's like if the Human Torch could use his fire the way Bane uses Venom.
>>122798764>What is strunt mathThe reason we got shit like Luffy being multiple times faster than light and Mickey getting absurd power because Zeus made a constellation
>>122798688In DBS, we were shown Beerus busting planets with punches and kicks, as well as Vegeta punching Broly through several mountains
>>122798805That's strike force using their ki. Vegeta does that sort of shit in regular super saiyan mode yet he couldn't lift 1000 tons
>>122798764some DB researcher i think. he thinks that han solo and kirk can move faster than their ships or something like that. i dont follow it eitherWhen Star vs Steven comes up and you see both are put at MFTL, then you'll know that's "Strunt math"
>>122798805They had an episode explaining how you can concentrate your ki to punch harder.
>>122798103The V4 and V5 RWBY trailers have more views than the Mitsuru and Weiss fight. Even some RWBY'S Chibi episodes have more views than the recent average Death Battle. It's not a RWBY only problem, RT and DB are dying as a whole. It's rare for them to hit big numbers nowadays. There was a time in which DB could shill RWBY with no problem, but now RWBY's Death Battles are also struggling with numbers. It's not as effective as before to rely on DB for RWBY shilling.
>>122798648You have to go back
>>122798621Umbrella for certain wins if he just keeps to the air or even just far afiled while turtling up behind the shield feature. What is Jesus supposed to at range shoot him with a normal ass gun lmao. But precedent of all stickfight media goes utterly against that kind of tactical action and he 'will' come in for that flashy weapon fighting action which is where things get chancy, but even at the best case scenario of sword to umbrella combat I'd expect for umbrella to still win. Yes, Jesus has his slew of abilities, and while I will not take away from that I will note plainly that Umbrella is normally shown fighting aggainst foes who turn fought against other opponants with powers every bit as strong and moreso then any individual bit of halo granted magic.>>122798641Umbrella is a old darling OC with a great deal of clout in the stickmen animation community. because the creator Resh made what were probably the best at the time stickfighting animations with Umbrella being center stage to his work when he existed. The character makes periodic appearances in other people's stickfighting creations as a background nod. him and a few others are kind of like mlp's background ponies nowadays with how they constantly appear in minor roles/background references in the aniations of Dojo and others.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAqv6N-EulY
>>122799084RWBY is dying because its shitDB is dying because its becoming shitIf RWBY dies it dies hard and remains dead for years until some company digs it up and tries to revive itIf DB dies its gonna get easily replaced. Its not like its inherently theirs in the first place vs debating has always been a major portion of fandom autism
>>122798593I think himiko toga is a better choice
>>122798456Is Iron Fist going to get stomped hard? Or does he have a chance at winning? Also, who would win between Gene from God Hand and Po?
>>122799084What on earth are you rambling about? The V4 RWBY trailers were from 2016, and the V5 trailer was in 2017. Of course they have more views than a video from 2019. If you compare them to their actual contemporaries, the V4 trailers are completely blown out of the water by Death Battles posted in 2016 and V5 is similarly outperformed by the ones in 2017. The last RWBY chibi episode was in 2018, of course it has more views than a video that's less than 24 hours old. Death Battle is doing fine, it just can't carry the corpse of a dying show like RWBY. Get the fuck out of here with your disingenuous shit, RWBYfag.
>>122799473Actually, fuck, the V5 trailer has less views than Weiss vs Mitsuru anyways. Fuck out of here.
>>122799316Himiko Toga is also a weak bitch that would also probably die if she got shot. Parasoul has no feats outside of gameplay animations, and no one knows how the fuck to treat the Skullgirls storylines. All of Neo's more well known opponents likely die if they face her. Road is probably the best fight for Neo that won't just roll over and die when hit by a superhuman closer to Spider-Man in terms of strength than Batman.
>>122797793Has Superman used any of his kryptonian martial arts in the past two? One lets him shuts down the bodies of other people and the other allows him to fight in an alternate plane of existence with his mind. UI Goku barely beat brute strength so how would he handle someone that has that along with a dozen powers and decades of experience beating stronger opponents?
>>122798103blake vs mikasa is garbage clickbait because 99% of people would agree mikasa gets shitstomped a lot of death battles are them scraping the bottom of the barrel and picking terrible matchups
>>122798488with something like marvel or dc its understandable to have wacky scalingwith fucking dragonball it is so braindead easy to scale they literally have characters saying how much they can destroy having goku job is just pure retardation
>>122797843No, that's Swan math
>>122798535>DC writers are numerous, braindead and contradict each other. Snyder is an idiot who wanted his OC to be super strong but failed at it, had Superman bust World Forger than job to PerpetuaThis is the problem with you scalefags.A story or arc isn't can't be good if it doesn't follow your headcanon scaling.Snyder introduced Cirisis/Anticrisis Energy, explained the reason for the Crises and the eventual need for Future Crises, broke the Source wall effectively integrating Hypertime in a seamless manner. And generally made sense of everything.But he's one of the worst writers according to you scalefags because Perpetua was 'only' a universe-buster.
>>122799750If goku don't lose in the beginning where is the tension. Anyways DB is really repetitive. They almost had one unique villain that wasn't stronger than the last, but they made goku outpowered his magic and made him cell 2.0.
>>122799970>where is the tensionnowhere because super is garbage
>>122798635>Consistent power levels are in tandem with consistent writingYes, but a scalefags don't give a shit about actual consistency, they only care about what's consistent with their headcanon.
>>122799877Proper scaling tell you what a hero can do and not. A story will be inconsistent if a hero can do something in one volume but can't do it in the next.
>>122799398If they buy into black tortoise meteor scaling?Danny's fucked
>>122799990Super is garbage but the anime managed to have a 10/10 finale despite the arc being the worst. Manga's just whatever.
>>122797793Now that immesurable speed Naruto is confirmed to be very real, who the fuck can beat this verse?
>>122800211>Proper scaling tell you what a hero can do and not. A story will be inconsistent if a hero can do something in one volume but can't do it in the next.The problem is that scaleautists don't grasp the concept artistic license and will literally try to calculate what's called Earth-shaking punches. And when Superman later gets knocked out by a nuke they get mad.And when you point to the fact that their calculated that their calculations are flawed to begin with because their numbers would literally cause an Extinction Event and that didn't happen, they get mad and claim that you can't apply physics to fiction...even though that's what they did to calculate this hyperbole statement to begin with.
As a writer you really dont want your lead to spend his time training and preparing if you have a longterm series like Superman and Batman in DC and Marvel-types.Escalation doesnt work well in Manga, it wont work well in longer form things like american comics.It's why Marvel and DC do reboots once a while and fix continuity and retcon shit.Allows them to clear the board , other than just wiping away events. Take Spiderman. he's actually had arcs where he's trained under Shang Chi , and developed a meta-human martial art just for him.For that Arc, he was much stronger.It's never been referenced again.
>>122800551Seems like I'm adding Roshi vs Jiraiya to the list of episodes that are fucking wrong. Especially since his clone was keeping up with Isshiki in a fight.Naruto keeps being robbed.
>>122800568I'm not talking about adding autistic calculation to feats. Honestly I forgot about them, does people are stupid. I'm just talking about consistent powers and abilities.
>>122800211Except universe-busting is a God Tier feat, and Perpetua was never written to be anything more than a universe-buster.Yes, she created the mulitiverse 52 universes/bleed/god sphere/monitor sphere but we don't know how long it took her or how much Crisis energy she had been granted for that cause.
>>122800551Makes sense and always did.
>>122800551another good one. Sasuke tracking Naruto's chakra all the way across a different dimension.Death Battle can't take a look at feats for shit.
>>122800814Isshiki teleporting mid battle and Sasuke tracking his movement. This fight was already out before Hiei vs Sasuke was made.
>>122800568>you cant apply physics to fictionwrong strawmanyou cant LIMIT fiction by real lifeobviously, you can apply physics to fiction by saying"there's gravity in this comic"not saying it needs to be 100% accurate but if there where LITERALLY no physics it would just be random shit happening which it obviously isn't>artistic licensewhich is fine but obviously gets to a point where its impossible to care about the story if shit is taken too farI'm not expecting the writer to calculate how strong someone would theoretically be if they could throw a bus across a city but they should be able to use common sense like obviously if someone can destroy a planet with a punch then fucking Catwoman should not be able to beat them
>>122799183Nice. I remember going on stickpage and shock 1,2,3, was my favorite
>>122797892Same reason Moro blowing up a galaxy made supposable multiverse level characters shit themselves.
>>122800945>which is fine but obviously gets to a point where its impossible to care about the story if shit is taken too farArtistic license is key in engaging the reader. But feats are different in that they happen.A narration caption saying "the punches nearly destroy the universe" isn't a feat, and it doesn't even have to be literal.
>>122799877What anti-Perpetua fags don't understand is that she indicates individual DC universes are stronger than the energy needed to create them.
>>122800723She did it in an instant, all hands made the multiverse in an instant going back to the one Krona saw. And she was brought back up to that level.
>>122800723Didn't she start to destroy everything when she fought Keks? They even had a guy come in with a book to write the last moments of the multiverse.
>>122798270Who knows what the properties of a “shadow moon” are though
>>122800945>like obviously if someone can destroy a planet with a punch then fucking Catwoman should not be able to beat themHow many planets have the Flashes ever destroyed? Let alone with 1 punch?
>>122801078>she indicatesHeadcanon 101
>>122801078>>122801088>>122801102Anti-DCfags don't want Perpetua to be universe level. That implies some incredible powers for DC, but it does make sense. Every universe should have their own Lords, at the very least. That means to kill a universe Perpetua had to frag at least two races of Dr. Fate level beings. And then you get the odds of them having their own Oans and shit.
>>122801103>>122801103>Who knows what the properties of a “shadow moon” are thoughMental gymnastics.
>>122798488>Like CAS they will go with him being this super unstoppable thing and ignore the 10 billion suns thing because that is hardly shit in comparison to his most wanked stuffNo it’s ignored because taking it at face value is also ignoring the entire context of the story.
>>122798764Death battle got a lot of shit over the years for not scaling characters to other things in their canon on a similar level leading to some really bad blunders like saying Goku, who regularly overpowers things that can casually destroy planets could barely destroy a comet and a bunch of other really bad calls. So they hired a bunch of other researchers and now they have the opposite effect where they go "they beat this character who can use magic to move planets therefore they should also be able to move planets." They don't do many close matches anymore because of this. The new one was literally normal super human with sword and jetpack vs Gun Wizard with magic weapons and a magic barrier that isn't measured in any consistent way in the show except however tough or weak the plot needs it to be. And they (may have, it was a shill match for their failing cartoon by putting one of their characters against a way more popular one) thought it was a fair match because jetpack fast
>>122801111i was just being hypothetical
>>122801123How is it headcannon?You either go with the position someone with the power to open their hand and create a multiverse and everything in it took her time after getting back to that level to destroy each universe, which as an anti-DCfag you would want to do, or you go with the position that each universe in DC is worth more than the energy to create a multiverse in an instant.And given >>122801126the later might actually be true. You have to kill the Lords of Order and Chaos to kill a DC universe, and each of them is multiverse level in power.>>122801146It's also a LMAO argument since the same page describes it as the energy of countless worlds and the bleed. It's cherry picking the least impactful line in a series of descriptors.
>>122798456Actually i think he was reffering to 4thSnakehttps://youtu.be/2MaV95Yw0YM?t=283
>>122801161God help us, that might actually have been Scott Snyder's position since she was going to create a humanoid army to fight the other Hands.
>>122801146>No it’s ignored because taking it at face value is also ignoring the entire context of the story."Context" that isn't outlined in the story is called headcanon.
>>122801161>the same page describes it as the energy of countless worlds and the bleed52 = countless to low iq dcfags
>>122801176>He likes MK1 Liu Kang's fatality>He hates friendshipsI want to vomit.>>122798456>Admits Blake acts like a sociopath, smiling after murdering an unknown girl and being totally unphased by losing an arm>"But they totally respect the characters!">>122801161Swan might actually pull that argument one day. It's not that far removed from the whole "DC was created to kill other multiverses" thing Snyder wrote.
>>122801237What do you think the blood of 52 universes is?Do you think it has anything to do with that thing called the Bleed that he's been trying to absorb throughout the story?
>>122801237>Drrrr there are only ten billion suns in the bleed hurrrrrGo be a retard somewhere else.
>>122801176I think the point that was being made - is that 4thSnake argues that DB do matchups based on powersets which really that true as DB has done several matchups where abilities wise the two fighters have very little in common. Rather they did it because of similar charcterization or story. Shadow vs Ryuko being a prime example of that where outside of golden super forms - they have very little in common in terms of their abilities but have very similar stories and charcter arcs
>>122797793http://www.capeworldcomics.com/comic/iron-fist-vs-po/Got my preview up. I anticipate another win over G1 as they wank Danny to Hulk level.
>>122801318not really that true
>>122801264Whatever it is it has the heat of 10 billion suns, when weaponized by Mandrakk
>>122801214>Literally called a THOUGHT Robot>Fight takes place in a dimension past Limbo>Mandrakk himself is referred to a self assembling hyper storyThe “10 billion suns” shit is stupid to anyone not literally retarded when you realize that CAS is bigger than the entire multiverse. Saying that he was literally hurt by the heat of 10 billion suns is like holding a lit match up to Jupiter and saying that you’re burning it.
>>122801351Learn what a synecdoche is.
>>122801358Yeah. Doesn't he point to Limbo and its like the size of a ball to him? The story also says the multiverse is so small to the Monitors they have to use nanotech to interact with it.
>>122801272DCfags getting offended by DC comics.
Why do DC fans want this again? Seems King if petty if you ask me
>>122801319lmao G1 fags BTFO once again. I wonder if they'll really do it?
>>122801358I mean, it sadly makes sense. That fight is one that exists in a place presented within boundaries of human imagination and artistic expression which it surpasses many times over. It can't be taken at face value, but considering interesting power scaling outcomes like the Hulk being able to move quintillions of times the speed of light, well...
>>122801420You mean Po vs Danny? I like it because its a creative fight, the most creative fight this season by far, and if Brandon doesn't fuck it up we're going to get a funky 70's kung-fu flick soundtrack.>>122801431I want to see how many universes they rank the iron fist at. How many big bangs is Luke Cage's bestie worth?
>>122798617>Standing in 10 Gs is something Spider-Man could do without even noticing.He is fucking street levelCity block level at the very best
>>12280149010G is nothing, anon. He exerts more force on his joints just swinging between buildings.
>>122801490Even regular humans can take 9g for a few seconds.
>>122800551>>122800646>>122800734>>122800814>>122800856>>122801004Naruto/Boruto doesn't exist and has never existed.
>>122800814But sadly no one cares about boruto sasuke because he's the most hated character in the series.
>>122800856Didn't sasuke lose this fight?
>>122801479No I’m talking about Goku vs Superman 3, besides people making jokes about it I barely see any DB fans actually want it
>>122801586The ones that think Goku will win want it.
>>122801571Naruto doesnt exist
>>122801625So a small percentage?
>>122801586DB fans want it because they think Goku will finally get a win over Superman. DC fans want it because they think it’ll finally shut up the former.
>>122801624Even worse>>122801631This and always this.
Do you think this is a legit feat"It's Black Tortiose stopping a Meteor from hitting Planet Earth with his Chi". Black Tortiose appears in Kung Fu Panda: Paws of Destiny.
>>122801676The feat is that he tracked the chakra to another planet in another dimention.
>>122801358He literally exists in the Monitor Sphere which is PART of the Multiverse.
>>122801703>”Limbo is the furthest edge of the manifest DC universe”Hmm, I wonder what’s right above Limbo.
I can't even imagine how many death threats DB has gotten from that battle. And giving Goku the win will pretty much double those.
>ben vs hal is a positive like ratio
>>122801780You underestimate the pull DC characters have. Hal Jordan fans once threatened to burn down the DC office.
>>122801773>”Limbo is the furthest edge of the manifest DC universe”>Hmm, I wonder what’s right above Limbo.Still part of the Multiverse, hence the name of the map, THE MAP OF THE MULTIVERSE.
If they do a third Goku VS Superman fight it should be done as their final episode where they try to piss off as many people as possible before deleting the channel and all of their online presence and fleeing the internet forever
>>122801784I don’t think I’ll ever get over the absolute shitstorm that Ben vs Hal caused. At least you could predict something like that happening for Goku vs Superman but the Ben vs Hal outrage came out of fucking nowhere.
>>122801825>DURRRR the overvoid is part of the multiverse because its on the map to HURRRR
>>122801784Honestly I think GvS gave them a bunch of neg drones.
>>122801891Kaido is only island level. He's by far the weakest character in there.
>>122801950oh wait there's Light too.... it's a pic of overrated characters I see.
>>122797793Where’s Nappa vs Madara Strunt?
>>122801854The maps ends at the Source Wall you fucking dingle berry
>>122801825Well I guess it’s not like the story ever says that they’re not in the multiverse anymore-oh wait.
>>122801950Don't blame me, blame the anon who asked for him to be added. I've only ever liked one anime, so I'm not gonna bother putting the effort into figuring out the power levels of every purple haired magical girl.>>122801969>overratedYeah that's somewhat the point. Though actually, I didn't add Light myself. After I made the first version with like 10 guys or so, some anon took it and added another half dozen while ruining the image scaling with his fucking phone image editor.
>>122801991Read you fucking retard."We're not in the 52 WORLDS of the Multiverse anymore"
>>122798648Because that cartoon bear is going to fucking obliterate him and it's going to be funny to see Marvelfags cope.
>>122798103It's basically just an advertisement, and everyone skips the ads when they have the option to.
>>122801476>but considering interesting power scaling outcomes like the Hulk being able to move quintillions of times the speed of light, well...I always found it funny how it was DBZ fans who started this whole travel speed vs fighting speed shit, but boy did they latch on to Goku making waves with Beerus
>>122801658Yes small percentage
>>122802009Are you sure you’re not fucking blind? >There are 52 worlds in the multiversal super-structure.>Take the Ultima Thule, Marvel! I’ll get you the energy you need to return to the multiverse.That’s the quote, word for word.Your quote isn’t even in the panel.
>>122801586What do you mean? There's still a good percentage of normies who never picked up a Superman comic book in their life and have only seen him in the DCAU or the DCEU think that Goku will obliterate him. Unfortunately, that's a very high percentage.
Alright DBbrosMy uncle who works at RT just informed me Po vs Danny is gonna be live actionThoughts?
>>122802074I'll accept this only if it becomes extremely obvious immediately that neither actor can fight.
>>122802074Would be retarded. Especially since the live action fight this season is going to be Jason vs Michael
>>122802034Even the Marvel handbooks differentiated travel and combat speed.
>>122802074this would be hilarious and I hope it's true.
>>122801891>STTGLLmao superman jobs hard in that situation
>>122802114There's at least 20 guys in that pic who could turn STTGL into a smear with zero effort.
>>122798621Jebus would just disintegrate him with the halo.
How will Kirby downplayers recover from this one?Oh, are you thinking I'm talking about that measly crack in half planet feat? Oh no. I'm talking much, much more powerful...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6htoDftzI
>>122802217>an at best large planet feat That’s the impressive feat? Kirby has been above that for years
How do you go from “MY SKIN IS COLD” to Ikari
>>122802090No they didn't.
>>122802346Yes they did, they just called it Agility / Reaction.
Why do people still think Death Battle is biased against Sonic when Ben himself is a huge Sonicfag iirc?
>>122802363No tard. "The ability to move the body with flexibility and coordination" is not the retarded "reaction speed" power that only exists in the diseased minds of vs battler scum. Fuck you.
>>122802412You need to understand that the Archie fandom and the game fandom hate each other.
>>122802363>HURRRR they gave Mr. Fantastic high agility that must mean they think he's faster than the Human Torch DURRRRRRRead the page you posted dumbass.
>>122802454What do you mean by that? Is there a factor here I'm not getting?
>>122802412Well obviously because they can't get over their own bias. It's almost impossible to convince a mindless consumer normalfag fanboy that no, Goku is not really that strong, or Alien X is not actually omnipotent. That sonic just is not fast enough. I would be shocked if you could convince 0.01% of fans to see reason in this way. The kind of midwit 100-120 IQ people that never self reflect, never take the time to actually THINK about whatever it is they're watching or reading.
>>122802412They're biased against Marvel more than anything else. They keep sneaking in random Ls against anime and cartoon characters.Look at this shit, Po is about to demolish Iron Fist, Po is a WB character, the same company DB works for. If it wasn't obvious enough.
>>122802497Yeah, I guess that's fair. It doesn't help that all of their matchups are DC characters whose;>Comics nobody really reads besides Batman's and he gets destroyed in a majority of vs battles unless you give him prep time>The DCEU isn't really as popular as the MCU to make up for that either, so nobody really knows much about DC characters and just how BULLSHIT the verse is compared to Marvel's.
>>122802487We’ll think of it like two versions of Sonic, one’s that’s based off the game continuity and another based off the comics, it’s pretty dividing so you got game fans and you got Archie fansAnd like with any character really, these versions usually have people debating which is best and liking both doesn’t really happenSo even though Ben likes Archie Sonic, people will still say he is biased towards game Sonic characters
>>122802548The last time Marvel lost was against a DBS character, what did you expect. Last time they won was against a DC one
>>122802576Well, there's also Star Wars but they lost against themselves there.Venom also lost to Crona, which puts the symbiotes in the oxygen club against anime characters.
>>122802487Yes. The Archie series had a lot of SatAM in it and have forced to chance their plot and setting several time to be more like the game. Archie fans see the games as invading and meddling the little world the comics had going on.In other words, Amy and Rouge vs Sally and Bunnie.
Can somebody link me proof that Kirby vs Ditto and Raven vs Scarlet Witch were both ditched in favor of Kirby vs Buu and Raven vs Twilight? It'll help me in an argument I'm trying to use against a friend.
Sonic outran a big bang in the first cartoon.
>>122802634What? Is that supposed to be.... impressive?Ppfffff.BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>122802634The big bang was not really that fast. Well the DC one was.
I will let you DC babies laugh for now.
>>122801700Nar/Bor doesn't exist.
>>122802965Sure not Dragon Bros, you're only setting yourself for an ass fuckery as feats start coming out. Have fun trying to multiply your headcanons while we just overwhelm you with our massive feats.
>>122801700Oh wowKi sensing
Who should he fight?>>122801257Eh LKs MK1 fatality makes sense in a story sense. Then again MK has p much moved away from that plot point. Its still limp shit af tho also mk is fucking shit now
Who do you guys think the most powerful character in Death Battle is anyways (besides meme answers like Chuck Norris and the likes)My money's on Darkseid. The fucker should reasonably never lose even in the comics.
>>122803032oh you want this (you)? you want it?good pup gooood pup here's your (you).
>Superman dies once in the entire continuity >The number of times Goku died is countless, he dies sometimes just to avoid being a father like a joggerThe state of Gokeks
>>122803246>That time Whis implied Goku died to Beerus’ sneeze and had to be revived
This absolute jobber now stomps Naruto and DBS
>>122798840>TFW you were friends with StruntWhat's my proof? He had a raging boner for the Avatar Toph castle feat, loved all Sonic talk and really had a fixation towards Natsu vs Tsuna when DB fanfics were all the rage back then.
>>122799316Agree. Good one. Parasoul, Penguin or Harley could also happen.
>>122803156Darkseid is literal fodder to Superman.
>>122799493Weiss and Yang's V5 trailers have more views than Weiss vs Mitsuru.
>>122799686Yes. In the first ones animation, superman took out goku with martial arts, and then let him eat a senza bean. A smart bloodlusted superman would have just gone for the phase punch or the lobotomy asap, but animators gotta animate
>>122803251>Sneezes away planets>People think Asura can beat himCan’t make it up
>>122803343Are you still friends with him?
>>122803343Ask him where Nappa vs Madara is? I wanna see Naruto fans cry
>>122803440DBZ characters literally tank blasts with enough energy to atomize planets. Heat vision won't do anything to them.
>>122803482You’re unironically thinking too big.Superman used his microscopic vision and heat vision together, to burn away Goku’s brain on a cellular level
>>122803303He’s a turtle
>>122798103Even HBombers's "RWBY is Disappointing" has more views than the last two RWBY Death Battles. It seems that with luck the Mikasa fight will reach two million views at most in the next months. They really shouldn't have removed RWBY from YouTube. Outside of the trailers and music, many of the most popular RWBY videos are actually of people complaining about it.https://youtu.be/81fdKWOHrdE
>>122803518Didn't knew that soeyboy made cartoon reviews
>>122803499Goku absorb blast the size of a coin packing planet level energies. Even at microscopic levels it would have to be trillions of degrees, HV caps at 5000 degrees.
>>122803482First off, what >>122803499said.Second. superman has enough power in his heat vision to ignite suns. I'm sure its comparable to whatever goku fights.
>>122803471Haven't talked to him in a while. Still have him on Discord, last I heard of him he left the debating team to pursue an animation degree. But I did know him long before he became part of the team, used to be an avid dude on a DB fanon wiki and loved Sonic vs. Char fights.
>>122803587Lee Kirby? wtf is this? why are they talking about comic books? Especially marvel?
>>122803561>Second. superman has enough power in his heat vision to ignite sunsIQ <<< 30Suns ignite themselves because of the pressure.
>>122803634Marvel comics exist in DCAnd Kyle is a comic book artist Sometimes
>>122803547No Superman’s heat vision has statements of it being unquantifiable and it can match absolute zero (like when he used his heat vision against captain cold.)Superman’s heat vision was also able to contend with that one girl amped up with all magic speed and energy from the godsphere once. Also it can seal cracks in space and time and stuff
>>122803482>Heat vision won't do anything to them.
>>122803156When it comes to power? Sure Darkseid has the most 'power' at his disposal of anyone in Death Battle. But Superman is the most 'strong' character so far. He was capable of damaging a Darkseid who had overpowered the Source.
>>122804072Here Darkseid was struggling to fight against the source which was made up of the anti-life entity (that’s what the black side of the source is), while Superman thought the anti-life equation ‘ticked’ in death metal.
>>122803892Heat vision is light, anf light doesn't have temperature. Even so heating something up with 300 degrees isn't impressive. And magical space cracks are unquantifiable
>>122803343He used to be active on the fanon wiki and deviantart, a lot of people were friends with him so I don't doubt you
>>122803006Nope doesnt exist. Sasuke killed it all.
>>122804122Heat vision isn’t light it’s plasma that Superman shoots out from his eyes. It’s easily hotter than any physical quantification that’s possible as I said. Even if it’s unquantifiable it’s means it can do stuff that Goku has no resistance to
>>122803401Nah. Those fights are one-sided stomps in Neo's favour. Road Kamelot. They used Elfen Lied. D.Gray-man is not out of the question.
>>122804527>Those fights are one-sided stompsGee death battle has NEVER done those before...
>>122804181It’s easily hotter than any physical quantification that’s possible as I said.Max heat is 5,000 degrees.Read a comic.
>>122803156Thanos or Doom
>>122804662That was New 52 Superman who died. Doesn’t exist anymore.
>>122803547Ki doesn't abide by real physics or else Goku would fly into space from the equal reaction of his kamehameha
Jesus Christ, why is Death Battle threads so autistic?
>>122804662Not the same superman. For all you people cry about "but they used more than one version" which they totally don't, you sure don't ever seem to understand it.
Can we talk about how bad this season is? It’s even worse than season 7
>>122804803This is beyond normal autism though. This is advanced autism.
>>122804853Yeah it's had no 'wow!' episodes yet. I haven't really cared about any of them.
>>122804881What part of "this is way beyond the normal level of autism for 4chan" don't you understand?
>>122804689When did he die?
>>122804925The part where you obviously don't spend enough time on 4chan to realize it's much, much worse than this on many boards.
>>122804662Facts.And LMAO at people claiming New 52 isn't canon anymore and then use Post Crisis feats like they are.Even if he he doesn't exist in Infinite Frontier canon (or whatever DC is calling it) he's still a full power Kryptonian from Prime Earth...meaning there's no reason to believe that any other version of him is more powerful.
>>122804853Mmm, so far I only disliked the Shadow and Blake episodesYoda vs Mickey was cool same with Heihachi vs Geese
>>122805007>then use Post Crisis feats like they arePost crisis superman LITERALLY travelled to the current DC verse and has become the main character again.>meaning there's no reason to believe that any other version of him is more powerful.Post Crisis supes was deliberately stated to be the most powerful.
>>122804978It's a sliding scale of autism. /co/ is relatively normal by 4chan standards outside of a handful of the most autistic namefags imaginable thanks to lax moderation. Death Battle threads are another low point, particularly how frequent they are and how much the autism spills out from it.
>>122805041>Post crisis superman LITERALLY travelled to the current DC verse and has become the main character again.Proof?
>>122804932Back in 2016It was a culmination of several things all at the same time>being dumped in the fires of apokalypse>being forced to overcharge his cells, damaging them>kryptonite poisoning
>>122805072>ProofFucks sake I am sick of you nonreaders. The ENTIRE FUCKING RUN from like 2016-current. Post Crisis Superman survived the end of that reality along with a bunch of others like post crisis Lois Lane, Parallax Hal Jordan, pre crisis Supergirl and Barry Allen on some super special world hidden away. Once they escaped they made their way to the current DC verse or elsewhere.This is not new information you hapless newfag. Read a fucking comic before you feel the need to comment on the characters in them and talk down to people who have.Fucking kill yourself.
>>122802217He’s not referring to feats in that statement. He’s referring to shit like extra in-game content like minigames you autistic powerleveltard.
>>122805072Non-reader plz go.
>>122805103>ConvergenceSays nothing about Post Crisis Supes returning in any meaningful way. New 52 ended with Dark Nights.And when I say proof I mean post the fucking page that confirms it.I know you can't because it doesn't exist. But I'm still going to give you the chance to prove your fan theories.
>>122805198>t. wikipedia reader
>>122803499Joke’s on you, Goku doesn’t have a brain
>>122805221Where's that proof? I'm waiting son. Come on, prove your fan theory. Lay it on me.
>>122805198Post Crisis Superman literally had a kid during convergence (Jon) and they went back to the regular universe after defeating the anti monitor alongside Parallax Hal Jordan, Pre-Crisis Flash and Supergirl
>>122805251Convergence lead into Superman: Lois and Clark, then Rebirth.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Lois_and_Clark>"Superman: Lois and Clark is an eight-issue comic book limited series published by DC Comics, written by Dan Jurgens and art by Lee Weeks. The series is notable for the reintroduction of the post-Crisis Superman and Lois Lane, in DC continuity after DC erased the characters in the 2011 New 52 relaunch."
>>122805311>Convergence lead into Superman: Lois and Clark, then Rebirth.>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Lois_and_Clark>>"Superman: Lois and Clark is an eight-issue comic book limited series published by DC Comics, written by Dan Jurgens and art by Lee Weeks. The series is notable for the reintroduction of the post-Crisis Superman and Lois Lane, in DC continuity after DC erased the characters in the 2011 New 52 relaunch.">>122805221>>t. wikipedia readerStill waiting for that comic scan...
>>122805481>Still waiting for that comic scan...You want a comic scan of an entire miniseries?
>>122804658Okay, the fights also suck in addition to being one-sided stomps. If they're going to shill RWBY again using Neo, at least put her up against a fellow illusionist so the fight can potentially have a cool visual element and not just "Neo styles on a helpless opponent that has no way to deal with her illusions". How the fuck are Toga, Parasoul, Penguin, and Harley going to deal with someone that can just ambush them by blending into thin air? We saw the animation of "RWBY girl styles on opponent that has no counters for a semblance". It was Blake vs Mikasa, and it sucked.
>>122805493>You want a comic scan of an entire miniseries?No, I simply want the one scan that confirm your fan theory.
>>122805509What fan theory?
>>122805509I'm not spoonfeeding you.
You're both wrong.Current Superman is Jonathan Kent. Who is the son of the previous Post-Crisis Superman.
>>122805607Jon vs Gohan when
>>122805627>>122805607What kind of reply are you expecting to get?
>>122805642No reply. Current Superman is John, not Clark. Anyone who thinks differently are non-readers.
>>122804765This is said by the guy who invented the strength level scales for Marvel...
>>122805687He, it’s kinda like saying Bruce isn’t Batman during DickbatsYeah he technically isn’t but you can’t stop people from calling Bruce BatmanPlus sharing names isn’t anything new, you got the Flashes all together now, the GLs
>>122805689He's simply pointing out that you're stupid for throwing away your life trying to figure out something so pointless.
>>122805687Okay. Got any more unrelated points of information for us?
>>122805711People can call Superman Clark all they want, canonically they're wrong. John is Superman.
>>122805741Two people can be SupermanNot like Clark retired
>>122805724Ah yes, analyzing the narrative consistency of the arts is stupid, and not the shallow dismissal of such.
>but...Jon Kent is Superman
Goku>normal strong guy with magic ki powers>only powerful when actively fighting>could be shot dead in his sleepSupes>basically a god>passive invulnerability>weak to magicDon't think goku can harm supes physically with strikes but his ki blasts might fuck with him as it's magic
>>122806013>as it's magicKi is stated in the show to not be magic, which also exists as a separate force other people use.Got any more Goku vs Superman 101 questions?
>>122805905Oh that’s the futureIt’s like saying Barry or Wally isn’t the Flash because a new one becomes that
Just watched Blake vs Mikasa The fight was kinda bad. Blake is clearly faster more durable, has more techniques, a better weapon for fighting humans. Half the fight she just runs away and let's Mikasa just flail about. Nowhere near as good back and forth as lex vs doom. Mikasa just grunts at her about her having four ears. Which came off as hilarious. Blake loses an arm just to go and say Mikasa can hurt her. Then immediately dies. Like Blake is then said to be able to react to lightning and can do better damage. So the fight had to be that way or else Blake just speed blitzes. 3/10
Aura also is a shitty looking ability. Its just a purple electrical field around the character. When I think of aura I think of something like super saiyan or haki. Its just kinda plain.
>>122806289It's based on the shields from halo.
>>122805853Yes, especially when the "consistency" as you call it is inherently fluid and easy to manipulate.
>>122797793they maintain their autismo no limits fallacy on superman so it's irrelevant
>>122806377>inherently fluid and easy to manipulateThis is only a reflection of the author's spineless laziness.
>>122806362But why purple then. If its just because rule of cool it could be anything.
>>122806431Or maybe normal people aren't as autistic about how "powerful" a particular character is when fighting another and place more of an emphasis on the narrative outside of maybe an extremely rough power ranking used just for the most basic consistency. That's the beauty of the early Marvel ranking, you rarely have "X character is objectively stronger than Y character" bullshit but instead "X character and Y character belong to the same general power level so either could win based on story requirements" which gives the writer way more wiggle room.
>>122806475Because it depends on the character.
>>122806547Consistent power levels = consistent writing. You don't need schizophrenic pattern recognition to notice that if A beats characters stronger than B but then looses to B, that it doesn't make any sense.
>>122806644kek whatever you say autismo, here I am actually enjoying the characters and story when all you care is who could beat who in a slugfest. You also seem to forget that characters sometimes beat characters because of a particular weakness instead of an objective powerlevel so rock beats scissors that doesn't mean rock is inherently stronger than paper. You're ignoring too many variables when trying to assign an objective rank or arbitrary number, the Marvel category system works because it can easily be manipulated for whatever the narrative needs.
>>122806674>Supes defeats the abstract entity of fear Pretty good feat
>>122806807I find it interesting that Superman is able to have such control over fear.
>>122806794>You also seem to forget that characters sometimes beat characters because of a particular weakness instead of an objective powerlevel so rock beats scissors that doesn't mean rock is inherently stronger than paper.literally no one said it doesn't you're just strawmanningand obviously different series have their own type of powerscalingif I was powerscaling dbz it would just be brute forceif I was powerscaling jojo i would spend 90% of it talking about hax and speed because even top tiers like jotoro or pucci could get one shot by low tiers>weaknesses which you would also take into account when powerscalingliterally everytime someone is anti powerscaling they always have this made up arguments as to why its bad >You're ignoring too many variables when trying to assign an objective rank or arbitrary numberpowerscaling is LITERALLY just taking all the characters stats into account and saying "most likely ___ would happen"if you asked a random person on the street" who would win in a fight, a gazelle or a lion" they wouldn't say "well maybe a roided out male gazelle would beat a starving baby lion"they would LITERALLY just compare the average lion to the average gazelle and leave it at that AKA powerscaling
>>122797868Tbh, current main line Supes is op as shit. More so than the composite they used for 1 and far FAR more than the new 52 they used for the second fight.
>>122806923Well he was the rings original choice for earths Green Lantern. Just got passed on it because it's not his home sector. That requires one of to be able to conquer their own fear.
>>122806794>im just enjoying the characters and storysame shit as when people defend all the retarded plotholes in the new star wars movieif the movie and characters are inconsistent as fuck what is there to enjoy?
>>122806938>muh powerscalingProbably the most autistic thing about powerlevel fags.>If you take the strongest and weakest thing obviously the strongest would win!No shit sherlock, my entire argument that it's pointless arguing over two similarly powered characters, hence why the more open Marvel rankings are better.>>122807007>you enjoy characters and writing huh? here's something with bad characters and writing, bet you enjoy that!Man you are retarded
>>122806807what is the point of these beyond simply being another example of dumb bullshit writers will pull out their ass on a whim and then never get mentioned again?
>>122807118..because the story doesn't revolve around the feat. It's something there to add to the story. Do you have brain damage?
>>122807233So what is the point of treating it as a "feat" then?
>>122807254It IS a feat by it's existence, dumbass. It's not suddenly assigned the title.
>>122807107>my entire argument that it's pointless arguing over two similarly powered characters, hence why the more open Marvel rankings are better.RANKING peoples power is still powerscaling moroneven if two people are around the same strength you can still reason why one would win>you enjoy characters and writing huh? here's something with bad characters and writing, bet you enjoy that!bad powerscaling in a fucking action show would LITERALLY be an example of bad writing which youre defending so yeahif mary jane fucking knocked thanos out in 1 hit and there was no explanation that would be dogshit writing because that would be inconsistent as fuck with everything we know about the two characters
>>122798611Because Darkseid is a literal god who is heads above him.Mongul? I don't know. That one has no explanation.
>>122807281>RANKING peoples power is still powerscaling moronThe former in early Marvel's case is just a general framework for shorthand sake for writers and literal children having playground fights that is constantly broken by exceptions. Only a retard would try to treat it like a science>even if two people are around the same strength you can still reason why one would try to treat it It's a fruitless exercise when it all depends on author fiat. This isn't fantasy football autismo.>bad powerscaling in a fucking action show would LITERALLY be an example of bad writing which youre defending so yeah>Uses the most extreme example possible again despite the whole point is that outside of the most extreme examples it doesn't really matterliteral autism
>>122807107You're a retard whose attitude is responsible for the destruction of comics and cartoons.
Just a reminder. None of this is real and my headcanon > your headcanon.
>>122807310>Mongul? I don't know.Smart. Something to know about most of Superman's villains, so many of them are geniuses, extremely clever or brilliant tacticians. >Darkseid has understanding over magic and science far beyond anything earth does>Lex. Nuff said>Mongul. Genius tactician and scientist. Developed his own genetically modified plants, ruled many worlds>Brainiac. Literally the source of the English word>Toyman. Genius scientist and roboticist.>Parasite. Scientist/lab worker.>Cyborg Superman. Superman with a super-computer in his head.>Zod. General of an entire planets military. Super intelligence as a power.>Batman. Batman.
>>122806995Thats because Supes has like infinite willpower. Hal is willpower incarnate though.
>>122807507> literal children having playground fights that is constantly broken by exceptions.still powerscaling>It's a fruitless exercise when it all depends on author fiat. This isn't fantasy football autismo.nobody uses fucking powerscaling to predict how a story will go moronobviously in a fucking story any character could get poisoned,tricked or whateverpowerscaling is just general rules to go by>extreme examples it doesn't really matterextreme examples happen all the fucking time like frieza training for a month and being god tier then retards like you come along and say>POWERSCALING DOESNT MATTER JUST ENJOY THE EPIC STORY BRO
>>122807758>still powerscalingThe only non-autistic use of it, yes.>nobody uses fucking powerscaling to predict how a story will go moron>powerscaling is just general rules to go bySo what's the point then beyond autistic headcanons?>POWERSCALING DOESNT MATTER JUST ENJOY THE EPIC STORY BROYour problem was reading/watching DBZ to begin with which is nothing but braindead action and literal powerlevels. Even if the powerlevels were "consistent" it would still be retarded because it has nothing beyond that.
>>122807851>So what's the point then beyond autistic headcanons?BECAUSE ITS FUN YOU GOD DMAN NIGGER
>>122805082Guy is still alive. He is just protecting the Dark Multiverse.
>>122807601This is just another thing that separates Superman from Goku. If you removed all of Supermans other powers, he'd still be a 99.999th percentile genius inventor, scientist, tactical mind, planner etc etc surpassing even a lot of other smart characters. His father was one of kryptons best scientists.
>>122805503>That RWBYfag still hereNot like it really matters. DB is dying harder and faster than RWBY. You would think that the fight would have reached at least one million views by now with Mikasa being featured, but it seems AOT fans barely cared or bothered watching the DB. Hell, even most RWBY fans don't cared that much for it. At least Tifa's fight managed to stick with fans for longer, attracted more views, and was spread more all over the place, but Mitsuru's was forgotten by the fandoms of both paritcipants as soon as it came out, and Mikasa's is one track to become one of the least watched 3D fights in DB history. Will not be surprised if Death Battle and Rooster Teeth's channels go down before we even get another RWBY fight.
>>122807875But is it though?
>>122797793>What will happen?Goku would be the first and only person in Death Batlte history to lose three times in a row, and all to the same person.
>>122797892Same reason why Goku jobs.
>>122806362are these canon? I think I remember an Elite having them in a cutscene in Halo 5.
>>122807909Post the one where Superman contains the entire universe in a thought
>>122808101>canonAnon plz. Pic is from Halo 1.
>>122797793Both heroes reached points where they can destroy entire solar systems. At one point do people realize how pointless this is? How you even gage characters like this that move faster than light and can destroy planets without effort? Both the writers of Superman and Toriyama have shown that the powerleves of Supes and Goku are as strong or weak as they need to be in the story. There. That's your answer. It varies. There's no real point arguing because the answer is not consistent.At this point, Tori and the writers can both say Goku and Superman are reality manipulators, and you'll still have faggots arguing, "yeah, but which reality warping being has stronger reality warping?" Nigga, who the hell cares? They're too OP already for a interesting story.
>>122808157>Superman reality manipulatorThey basically already did that.
>>122808129But even Max from Sharkboy and Lavagirl could do that
>>122799398> Or does he (Iron Fist) have a chance at winning?Only if they count the cartoon series as non-canon.
They become friends since they both realize this battle is dumb
>>122808157>There's no real point arguing because the answer is not consistent.BUT I CAN TOTALLY CALCULATE IT!t.powerlevel fag
>>122808157>>122808180>reality manipWeaksauce. Even fucking Doctor Manhattan himself couldn't completely reality warp superman away for good. Nothing he tried could 100% do it.
>>122808237Guy with complete manipulation of time couldn't do it either.
>>122808187Hmm, doesn’t seem likely
>>122807927Nah, DB isn't dying. It's just that no one cares for Rooster Teeth stuff outside their incestuous community. Look at the RvB shill match from last season: it occupies a noticeable valley in views (1.3 M) compared to the fights that came before and after it (1.5 M for the werewolf and bat vs spider fights). And then Sanji vs Rock Lee gets 1.9 M, and Hulk vs Broly sits at 4.7 M. Also, AOT ended badly, which is why no one really cares for Mikasa anymore. DB will be fine, and while RWBY might die they're probably going to honour Monty's last request and have Maka right Ruby at some point.
>>122797892because trillions of time unviersal character are dime a dozen in DC
>>122808133yes but is this gameplay mechanics only or not? That's what I'm asking.They have these shiels in some OVAs or in the comics.
>>122802068Now I get why Benfags were seething so hard. They only knew Hal as a supreme jobber thanks to the TV shows/movies.But at least Benfags eventually got over it. Gokufags seemingly never will, which is truly unfortunate. Everytime Goku is going to receive a new color swap, they'll insist that "t-this time he can beat Superman..."They keep trying to force a square peg into a triangle hole.
When the fuck are they going to have horror characters in Death Battle?
>>122808366>gameplay mechanics onlyThe shields are mentioned in basically every book and comic series, too.
>>122808349Goku may not be bright but he’s definitely not that dumb
>>122808399Jon vs Sabrewulf didn't count?
>>122802085I don't believe you.
>>122808404are they really? I remember a comic where the eleites were being stabbed by regular knives.Never touched any of the books outside of the Forerruner ones though so I can't comment on those.
>>122808599Not every elite has them, same as most earth soldiers don't have them either.
Any hopes for Gene appearing? Can he beat Iron Fist and Po?
>>122808399Steven vs Star is just around the corner.
>>122808237Yes he could. He erased countless versions of Superman from existence, but every time he did the multiverse would grow to create new versions of him in alternate universes.
>>122808649>100% do itREAD NIGGA READ100% do itNo matter what he tried Superman would still be there. Thank you for repeating my point.
>>122808399Is Freddy the strongest slasher villain?
>>122808628If's he not too obscure to show up, he'd probably go up against Nero, or Velvet Crowe, or maybe Rad Spencer or Doomfist.
I'm sure Supes is still stronger, but Goku is multiversal at this point and over sextillions of times the speed of light. Xeno Goku is even stronger. He got massively stronger since DB2 where they gave him galaxy level feats and barely FTL speeds.
>>122808700Nah, that title probably goes to Pinhead. Or Final Destination Death.
>>122808756If we put Goku at that level then we can put Superman even above that level just as easily. The high ends of both characters just don’t compare
>>122801586I just want to see peak Superman go against peak Goku
>>122808329>Sanji vs RockThat's speaks more of Naruto and One Piece's merit and popularity, not Death Battle's.>Hulk vs Broly sits at 4.7 MDragon Ball is super popular to this date. Death Battle cannot do shit without Dragon Ball, and Goku fights are their biggest clickbaits and "break in case of emergency" videos.
>>122808736Or this, I guess. Kung Fu Hustle is a sort of an inverse of God Hand, in terms of themes.
>>122808329>4.7 MThat's actually lower than Yang v. Tifa, and likely will not catch up to it. They are indeed dying. Their new videos don't even break the 10m barrier anymore, and their YT subscriptions have slowed down a fuck ton.
>>122809054Well, the views live and die by the popularity of the matchup and of the characters. That's obvious. The fact that all of RT's fights have relatively poor views is indicative of their properties lacking popularity, not Death Battle itself. It took the RvB shill match about a month to get to 1 M views. It took Broly vs Hulk and Might Guy vs All Might a day to get to 1 M.
>>122808896Depends on which Superman.
>>122809120And Yang vs Tifa came out in 2015. Let's see how many views Broly vs Hulk has in 2025, and we'll see if your views have any merit. I know you're hurting because RWBy is dying, but taking it out on a healthier show is unhealthy for you. Blame gen: LOCK, not Death Battle.
>>122809219>Let's see how many views Broly vs Hulk has in 2025>Impying Death Battle and Rooster Teeth will survive for that longHe hasn't heard.
>>122809203I’m talking about the Superman we have been talking about in this thread.
>>122809297Death Battle already survived the death of one companyWhat’s another
>>122809203Well yeah but 99% of the time people mean the obvious, current Superman:>Post Crisis/New 52/Rebirth. All the same character now, in canon.Him at max power just 1 shots Goku at max with a single punch faster than he can even react to.>Silver AgeInvents a new power on the fly and turns Goku into a donut while berating him about the dangers of over eating or something.>Golden AgeTheoretically scales beyond Goku, but Goku should win feats wise.They're the only Supermen that count. Sure you've got the old cartoon variants or smallville or hack snyders man of murder, but those are all an easy win for Goku.There's plenty of future version or alternate world versions too, but nobody wants to see them as their either wipe Goku from existence with a wave of their hand or have barely had 5 issues to their name and just as few feats.This whole "oh but they used lots of version of superman in the death battle" thing is nonsense. They've literally not done that.
>>122809297>>122809332Yeah, Death Battle has already been the sole survivor of one company dying. What's another? After all, gen: LOCK got picked out of RT and given to another AT&T company. Death Battle can probably see the same happen to them.
>>122809219>RWBy is dyingIt's actually the only IP bringing money to RT. >Amount of RWBY merchandise in the 1st best selling page of RT's store27>Amount of Death Battle merchandise in the 1st best selling page of RT's store1https://store.roosterteeth.com/collections/brand-collections#/sort:ga_unique_purchases:desc>Amount of sold out RWBY merchandise in the last months20>Amount of sold out Death Battle merchandise in the last months0https://store.roosterteeth.com/collections/brand-collections?page=15#/sort:ga_unique_purchases:descEven Achievement Hunter brings more money to RT than both, Death Battle and Gen: Lock. Good thing that they barely invest on Death Battle nowadays, which you can tell by how horrible the animation of the Mikasa and Blake fight was. I do agree that Gen: Lock was what likely hurt RT the most though.
>>122809437>Death Battle has already been the sole survivor of one company dying>Superman was the sole survivor of KryptonHYPERCRISIS
>>122809577This is proof Superman will win again
>>122809219Animation quality says otherwise. At least RWBY doesn't skip frames nor looks like a game running at 2fps. How can people defend the current state of Death Battle when looking at what we got yesterday? Even when comparing it to previous Death Battles with RWBY characters, the animation for Blake's is the worst one by far. And I'm being generous when using the word animation in this case. As much as we hate CRWBY, even they haven't dropped the ball this hard.
>>122809482You ever consider merch sales aren't everything? That Death Battle is likely making a fair deal of money due to Youtube views? There's a reason Death Battle was the only thing RT kept from Screwattack? That RT's model of monetization of RWBY, imitating the way Japanese anime companies make money off merch, is unsustainable given RWBY's declining popularity?
>>122809406Post Crisis doesn't beat Goku.
>>122809650Why waste effort on a shill match? I found Yoda vs Mickey to be a better example of 3D fights
>>122809668Yes he does and it's not even close. He destroyed a multiverse not that long ago. The best goku has ever shown is being 1/2 a maybe universal punch.
>>122809659>That Death Battle is likely making a fair deal of money due to Youtube views?You don't know the state of current Youtube? Views barely bring shit. That's the reason RWBY was removed from Youtube. RT relies more on merch and First subscriptions for money. Literally, Blake's DB started with an ad to shill their Death Battle merch, which isn't selling enough on RT's store.
>>122809623Except against me
>>122809659IIRC Ben has said Death Battle isn't all that profitable because they can hardly sell merch
>>122797793Fuck those niggers i want a real good shitLucifer vs The Beyonder Death Battle.
Death Battle is dying? So what, who cares? We can always replace it. What matters is the concept. Death Battle can be substituted by other fan animators and their channels, as another anon said earlier. We already have plenty of sites to discuss powerlevel shit without Death Battle anyway.
>>122809712Yeah in his weakest form since Super started. DB has used Goku absorbing SSG into his base form as canon for their Beerus and Broly debates, and applied the SS multipliers. Goku scales to multiversal by their own logic.
>>122809819This. Go fucking balls to the wall with powerful characters. Make it a 2v2.Lucifer and Michael vs The Beyonder and Molecule man.
>>122809650But Broly vs Hulk looked fine. And so did Mickey vs Yoda. I have no idea why you're bringing up Blake vs Mikasa as the be all and end all? Sometimes, they have a bad animation. Then the next one comes out fine.
>>122809845You really need to keep up with these threads and stop reading the vsbattlewiki. It's getting tiresome having to explain to every new poster why Superman is several dozen zeroes faster or why a DC universe could fit like a trillion, trillion Dragon Ball ones inside it. Or that DC has thousands of universe/multiverse destroyers PER universe. Or that the dimensional scaling turns any higher end DC character into a god beyond anything Zeno or Super Shenron have ever shown.
>>122809845At most Goku according to DB is 1 million times universal.If we go full strunt math, you can get unamped Superman to 501 trillion universes via scaling. Using direct feats, Superman is infinite multiversal.
>>122809796Want to link the exact podcast or tweet? I remember them saying merchandising is hard, but the ones they make does fine. Like the game they made, which sold pretty well.
>>122809952Yeah and if you use Xeno Goku then he matches those feats on-screen multiple times.
>>122809952>dimensional scaling ki energy is adimiensional, dimensional scaling on its own is also plain retarded
>>122810023>feats on-screenWhat feats? Post some.
>>122809845>DB has used Goku absorbing SSG into his base formIs that what happened? I was confused when he was able to fight Beerus as SS3 after getting finger flicked
>>122810053Don't blame me. It's explicitly said in DC that a higher dimensional being than you is infinitely more powerful and there are many, many tiers to that. Which is why it's so impressive when Superman knocks somebody several levels of infinity above onto their ass.Can somebody post that panel with the stupid number of DC dimensions?
>>122810057Xeno Goku was able to defeat Demigra who was going to destroy the entire multiverse (timelines included) alongside the "real world"Even DBS Goku in MUI is stronger than Jiren who is stated to be stronger than infinite Zamasu who was affecting various timelines at the same time. Xeno Goku is unarguably stronger than DBS Goku.Goku is at least 4D and multiversal.
>>122809796I bought the Bayonetta vs Renamos poster and the rerelease of the First Fallen shirt. Both were already shipped and are already on their way. But I cannot speak for most fans. I don't think most Death Battle fans or viewers support nor care for the brand that much, so they don't buy their merch.
>>122810185Oh and Xeno Goku defeated Demigra in his BASE FORM
>>122810185>Xeno Goku was able to defeat Demigra who was going to destroy the entire multiverse (timelines included) alongside the "real world"Oh wow so it’s exactly like what happens each time in DC Crisis events, even including when the “real world” (Earth 33) is about to be destroyed.Oh and by the way Superman stopped one of these events from destroying the entire Omniverse (which should include our real world through Earth 33) by phasing a little bit.Goku is fodder.
>>122810256>Oh and by the way Superman stopped one of these events from destroying the entire Omniverse (which should include our real world through Earth 33) by phasing a little bit.Yeah? And Goku did the same to Demigra in his base form. SS4 is at least 4000x stronger than that, and his limit breaker form is another immeasurable multiplier on top of that. Like I said, Xeno Goku matches his feats.
>>122810325Scaling is not a feat.
>>122810185That’s just scaling
>>122810350Your autism is a feat.
>>122810325Well I should remind you that Superman did this just by casually vibrating his body. If he actually tried then he would easily be immeasurably stronger than this feat. I mean, Superman’s growth is exponential and is limitless. Superman even lifted the book of infinite pages which actually contained the entire DC Multiverse which is massively more complex than Xeno’s verse.
>>122810325and yet he's still not DONE anything more impressive than a 1/2 universal punch vs beerus.
>>122810370I accept your concession.
>>122810363Scaling is completely legitimate, especially in fucking Dragon Ball where it's the only thing that matters to judge strength. Is Goku weaker than namek Freeza now?
>>122810429No, it isn't. You retards scaled Goku to be 80 bajillion what x light speed back in DBZ, but in the END of DBS, some guy was going just lightspeed and everyone was freaking out like it was a big deal. Fuck off.
>>122810374All I'm saying is that Goku got ridiculously stronger from 2015 be it in canon or non-canon that a DB3 would be justified at this point. DB2 came out before Super even started.
>>122810478Yeah, they also made a big deal about Dyspo being faster than the speed of sound like sound and light are even remotely comparable. You gonna argue in good faith sound is too fast for DBZ characters?
>>122810500The fact is that ever since the death battle came out, scaling for both characters has been worked on tremendously. Even though Goku has been severely buffed by Super, Superman’s older and less-known feats have received legitimate scaling that puts Superman above anything Goku can do. I would like to see a third death battle just to see how death battle could experiment with both of Goku and Superman’s high-end feats using their more scientific approach to scaling seen in Beerus vs Galaxia and Broly vs Hulk, however I just know that it won’t be enough for Goku. Superman still wins. But I do agree that we should get a third episode since the 2nd was done way too prematurely and I would like to see a long episode with the best animation they can do, with their best story telling, and with the best research they can produce. It would be a monumental feat which would accelerate death battle even further among its development stage.
>>122797793Why would anyone want Goku to win? He is legit a piece of shit super villain now.
>>122810563Sound no, light yes.
>>122810645Since we're going to probably see further development until Toriyama dies, I think this would be an acceptable "state of the fight" for the time being.
Just watched this. Unbelievably retarded. Worse death battle by far. Even when the Knuckles one happened.
>>122810824Does Jobren have any shown defence against mindhax?>>122810839kek still gets plebs mad daily
>>122810864>p-pleb!It wasn't a good match anon.
>>122810824>until Toriyama diesI just realized that Toriyama is almost like 70 years old. Damn.
>>122811034Yeah I know, man, Chad Lantern was just too much a stomp on Ben. They should have given ben an easier opponent like Beast Boy.
>>122810864Given Dragon Ball's previously established precedent of "high enough power level can invalidate hax", I suspect Death Battle will pursue that avenue and see if Jiren's number is big enough to be immune to Jonn's Swiss Army Knife of bullshit. But truthfully no, Jiren has no explicitly demonstrated defenses against mind hax.
>>122811097That’s really more of a Ki thingSo like against stuff like the Force sure since that’s life energy too, but not against J’onn I think
>>122811125>>122811097Hard to resist something when the pathways in your brain that do the resisting are literally turned off.
>>122810256How was two parallel earths colliding going to destroy the entire Omniverse?Have you considered that maybe this random guy in a single page of a Superman book is, exaggerating?
>>122811064"Death of Toriyama" is probably a good a cutoff point as any for a final, definitive version of Goku. Unlike DC, there hasn't been a good precedent set for Shōnen Jump passing a series off after the death of a creator. Boruto is a sequel that later got taken over by the original author, and the DBS manga is still being "overseen" by Toriyama.
Superman's a faggot.He'd get the shit kicked out of him by the Chad Wally West, assuming writers don't randomly make Wally retarded for no reason.
>>122811230I'm sure at this point he's just signing off his name for the checks.
>>122811064>>122811230Toriyama is barely involved in the manga, Dragon Ball is like way too big to just drop
>>122811253Supes won the most recent race. Cope.
>>122810563Don't start with this downplaying shit.There's far more evidence confirming that Superman can't move at the speed of light than there is confirming that Goku can't.If you want me to crack open then folder and start posting images we can go.
>>122811125>>122811171I mean, Jiren resisted a time stop because his number was big. There's a precedent for bullshit resistances because of sufficient ki in Dragon Ball, but there's also the fact Jonn's number just might be bigger as well.
>>122811293>assuming writers don't randomly make Wally retarded for no reason.They nerfed Wally so he wouldn't completely and utterly humiliate their mascot.
>>122811309Considering he regularly flies faster than light every single issue, I highly doubt thatAnd Goku has honestly never done any speed feats of note
>>122811326Whatever you say anon, whatever you say.
>>122811332Goku scales to speed feats of note.
>>122811321Because it was a Ki technique Confirmed in the manga at least
>>122811332You mean when he travels through space?Because he's regularly blitzed by light in combat.You want to keep going, because I'm just getting started.
>>122811406And he regularly dodges light toYou know actual featsInstead of just scaling like a monkey
>>122811372Manga versions are barely FTL and galaxy busters. Anime versions are fucking busted. Jiren was stated by Vados to be above time itself.
>>122811485Beyond time is done once you go FTL. Not that impressive.
>>122811517Kirbybros are we beyond time?
>>122811465I don't know what you think scaling is. Other characters have FTL feats and Goku scales to them because he has faced them in combat. Nobody is using multipliers to say he's FTL based on non-FTL feats.
>FTLSlow, that's too slow, Dragon Ball bros.
>>122811465He himself claims he can only move at "almost the speed of light."Why would he do that?I have collected 1 GB folder of this shit for people like you who do nothing but downplay DB. And if you want the sources just ask, because I have those too.This one is from Superman 195.
>>122811548>>122811485Time stops at light speed. Hell this lends MORE credence to the fact that Dyspo going FTL was not just bad writing.
>>122811560He’s just being humble
>>122810563>frieza vs a speedster>never shoots his legs with death beamsI was so disappointed, that was some weak torturing Frieza did that allowed him to a chance to use his full speed.
>>122811372Oh, it is? Didn't know that. I thought it was some weird biological ability of Hit's species.
>>122811177>Have you considered that maybe this random guy in a single page of a Superman book is, exaggerating?The irony and hypocrisy of someone defending Dragon Ball while saying this is amazing.
If we wanna wank, then Goku technically has infinite speed by the Android arc because he was using instant transmission to fight Cooler in some kind of timeless dimension.
>>122810210>Bayonetta vs Renamos poster and the rerelease of the First Fallen shirtWeird that the only character-based merch is of deceased participants.https://store.roosterteeth.com/collections/death-battle/products/death-battle-first-fallen-t-shirt?variant=39314368725040
>>122811647Yeah, Whis says in the manga that it was something Goku could exploit
>>122811704That's not speed, that's teleportation. And the Cooler movies aren't canon. And the second one kind of sucks.
>>122811704>in some kindOf course.Also not even canon.
>>122811704I don’t think that’s actually canon. But if we assume it is, that’s like Hyperspace. Not really speed, more like pocket dimensions that allow teleportation.
>>122811788>>122811806>muh canonWho cares?Also Super follows the anime canon anyway. Kid Buu was going around the galaxy destroying planets by flight. That's MFTL speeds right there.
>>122811788King Cold mentions Cooler
>>122811832I agree that Goku has MFTL+ speeds. The question is HOW fast Goku can go at maximum. It’s still slower than Superman.
>>122811709Huh. Well, in that case it's hard to say what Dragon Ball's stance on attacks with direct biological interactions are. Toriyama's decision to have Goku die from a heart disease that he can't just ki his way out of continues to have ramifications.
>broke his mind so much he went looking for feats in non canon movieskek
>>122811969We're talking about Xeno Goku, a non canon entity to begin with, you fucking tard.
>Stronger and faster than Infinity >Metaversal level>Beyond all mathematics and storiesBros...
>>122811928The movies are their own Canon. Say if you wanted to use cooler movie goku in a specific vs match. Or meta cooler himself. In a deathbattle.
>>122809957>501 Trillion universesExplain. I’m genuinely curious.
>>122812028>still below the wrestleman that checks his emailsBros…
>>122812034He was just moving in a pocket dimension. That can't be used as a speed feat.
Can Goku survive a planetary explosion? I don't think he could considering Vegeta died when the earth blew up.
>>122812028>Stronger than literal Gods.>Shakes an infinite void.>Would one-shot any incarnation of Superman.What is it little brother?
>>122812212He can't breathe in space so no but he can survive the impact of one
>>122812052Supes scales to Hal who scales to the 7 lantern entities who power the 7 lantern corps and just 1 lantern corp has 7204 Green Lanterns and each Green Lantern has to make a universe in the Green Lantern power battery. Plus universes in DC are like 9.945 billion times larger due to the scan of the universe expanding to 60 trillion light years in half a second so 9.945 billion x 7204 x 7 = 501 trillion universes.
>>122812241in battle of the gods he was fighting in space without any problem
>>122812241>breathe in spaceHow tf do you breathe vacuum?
Who wins this one?
>>122812240>Killed literal Gods>Shook multiple extra-dimensional realms which are infinite in size including heaven and hell by just stepping >Would one-shot any version of GokuWhy even bother?
>>122812263It was stated he was fighting in the stratosphere
>>122812247Imaging taking something so far fetched and retarded seriously.
>Do the impossible! See the invisible!>Touch the untouchable! Break the unbreakable!>Do the impossible, don't you wanna bet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqUsHmtZygg
>>122809078I think Gene would win.
>>122812293I’m using strunt math for it.
Crap cyborg doesn't have any universal feats
>>122812418Don't worry, there's always more cyborgs.
>>122812418Nobody likes cyborg except Geoff Johns.
>>122812351SuperCHAD can do all of those things
>Goku>SupermanWhy bother with such mid-tiers?ENTER: SOLAR, MAN OF THE ATOM!
>>122812594>SolarI am tired of these people. Tired of being compared to their shitty knock offs.
>>122812784Monty has gone up against Darkseid, Superman, The Spectre, and Parallax Hal. Spiral gets eaten . Literally.
>>122812784Anti monitor is considered mutliversal. Is spiral?
>>122812293>DB scaling>Goku is 1834018240085310135 times universal!!
>>122798214It won't happen cause they know Ruby loses hard
>>122813358That’s why I think they’re saving (or more accurately, buying time) for Ruby so that she potentially gets a super power that completely shit stomps Maka.