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>>121089495
I don't get it.
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I don’t hate either of them but they’re not similar characters aside from pacifists.
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>>121089495
>>>/trash/
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>>121089534
Steven universe trannies overdosing on copium and HRT again

>ree how come avatar is a universally loved classic and Steven universe is a joke to everyone outside discord
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>>121089495
I think OP of this thread and that tweet are both faggots so yeah.
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>>121089495
One has cancer, the other is cancer.
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>>121089583
Only correct answer.
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>>121089495
Depends who wrote that statement.
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>>121089495
Aang is my least favorite character among team Avatar. And don't care for Steven Universe.
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>>121089571
>trannies

I thought SU was popular with women.
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>>121089615
Just because they claim they does not mean that are in reality.
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>>121089495
No. I don’t care about Aang, but I don’t hate him. I fucking despise Steven. I hate seeing that fat fuck all the time on this board.
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>>121089615
Not real women.
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>>121089495
no?
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>>121089630
Speak English
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>>121089549
>pacifists
Even then Aang never killed anyone like Steven did
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>>121089495
Aang was just unwilling to kill
Steven befriend gay, space Hirohito, Mussolini, and Hitler.
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>>121089656
Instead Aang pull a deus-machina out of his ass and energy bend the problem away.
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>>121089495
Aang didn’t cry all the time. And he didn’t forgive the Firelord immediately for all his crimes. He put him in jail.
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>>121089686
>>121089656
Steven would kill Ozai laughing like a freak
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>>121089495
>Aang didn't want to kill but was ready to knock a bitch out
>Steven let three space tyrants roam free
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One is the protagonist of a well-written fantasy story that takes time during the narrative to criticize propaganda. It does this only a few times when the story calls for it.

Another is the protagonist of an okay fantasy story that takes time away from the narrative to be propaganda. It does this constantly and it feels even more clumsy than the main plot.
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>>121089495
Steven is just a worse written Aang though. Sugar just makes her characters cry a bunch and then calls it development.
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>>121089707
Steven would bend over backwards and cry because Ozai didn't give a shit about the opinions of a gem bender.
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>>121089709
Aang gets to be Jesus so him knocking down a tyrant means God wants him to do the empire will listen to him, plus having the prince as a friend helps. Steven knocking down tyrants mean waging war between a group of 8 people and an entire space empire
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>>121089495
I like both tho?
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>>121089736
It cease being an insect when it has grown that big. It's nothing more than a monster that needs to be exterminated for the greater good.
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>>121089751
>Steven knocking down tyrants
Motherfucker just break their gems, that giga gorilla thing made a weapon for it
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>>121089495
The end of Aang's arc is him taking Ozai's bending away and putting him in prison. Steven's arc ends on him hugging things out with White Diamond.
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>>121089785
the diamonds took a steamy shit right on their faces without even trying or without their armies
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>>121089785
Okay well now he’s at war with an entire space empire and Earth is gonna be destroyed. So seems like a dumb decision to me. I mean that’s even assuming he gets the chance since the Diamonds are kind of stronger than him
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>>121089495
Fuck off SU fag.
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>>121089615
Women with beards and penises
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>>121089811
>>121089812
The dumb shit escaped certain death multiple times and foiled his own plan without repercusions, the power of the script would protect him
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>>121089534
Me neither
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Steven Universe fags are a disease
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>>121089885
This
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>>121089885
>>121089900
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>>121089751
Not everyone follows the Avatar just for being the Avatar. It wasn't like that in Aang and it sitll wasn't like that in Korra
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>>121089732
Just pretend he’s Jasper. They both have long hair.
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>>121089924
this, the Avatar is a guardian of peace/balance not a role model or deity to worship
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>>121089818
This one autistic hang up you SUtards desperately cling to is really convincing me that SU is a masterpiece
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Okay. I never liked Aang anyway and I hate Steven.
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>>121089952
>>121089924
>The only way for this war to end peacefully is for the Avatar to defeat the Fire Lord.
It’s what Iroh said
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>>121089982
Exactly, he keeps peace, he's the bender police
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>>121089723
Everything is propaganda. One is just more ham-fisted than the other because it was made by people who think things like "subtlety", "nuance", and "making the show actually entertaining and enjoyable to watch" are stupid because they allow us ignorant plebs to ignore the propaganda and continue thinking wrong.
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>>121089996
Well then people listen to him for being the Avatar since he’s the bender police
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>>121089982
Well, yeah, if you beat the big bad first the whole thing stops.
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>>121089545
>Don't watch Steven Universe
>it's shit
oof

do better, anon
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>>121090023
Uh no? That’s like completely ridiculous. Could you imagine if someone killed the president in the middle of a war.
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>>121090070
That's what happened in most wars. Only difference is that they either fled or surrender first in real life.
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>>121089630
>>121089642
>>121089850
I teach middle school and some of the girls like it. Not everyone is a tranny.
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>>121090105
Yeah, kill the leader of a country, that won’t backfire at all or have any retribution
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>>121089656
Aang killed a vulturewasp that one time out of anger.
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Why are jannies deleting random posts
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>>121090154
Bird bugs aren’t people. Though I would argue they are closer to people than beings of light
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>>121089495
I hate both, so I guess.
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>>121089656
What about all those fire nation soldiers in the season 1 finale and other fodder? What about Zhao? You going to put that all on the ocean spirit?
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>thread immediately starts being a discussion about avatar
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>>121090173
I see you see my point.
Also, Jasper was just fiiiiiiiiiiine afterwards anyway.
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>>121090194
Why would it not be? Aang is in the OP and being directly compared to Steven
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>>121089495
yes, both are fags, but at least aang's show is actually good
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>>121089495
>>121089630
>>121089615

>this whole thread

daily reminder that your seething is pathetic and your cope-fueled sentences full of buzzwords will be unable to create anything while SU will go into history as the best cartoon of the decade.

it means nothing that some retards made 2 hour videos screeching about of SU, it is in the collective memory and there´s nothing you can do about it.
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>>121090228
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>>121089495
Why? Steven literally drags down the show and by focusing on him we loose much of the cool shit the gems do because he's to young. Sure Aang isn't the most interesting character but we can at least focus on other characters and he doesn't ruin the show as a whole.
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>>121090228
>coping this hard
Sad!
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>>121089495
Well I do hate both
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>>121090228
see >>121089885
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>>121090228
I prefer Hilda desu but I do like SU well enough
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>>121090209
never seen any substantive discussion about steven universe aside from waifuism
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How about liking one, and being ambivalent to the other?
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>>121089751
>waging war between a group of 8 people and an entire space empire
That's a better plot then the show we got.
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>>121089495
but aang is not cancerous preachy and he didnt tell Ozai "no u"
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>>121090260
>>121090225
>>121090189
>>121089961
>>121089632
>>121089607
What’s wrong with Aang?
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>>121090228
copium overdose
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>>121090228
>SU will go into history as the best cartoon of the decade
But Gravity Falls and Adventure Time came out in the same decade
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>>121090228
>while SU will go into history as the best cartoon of the decade.
No wonder America lost their youth to anime, youtube and foreign animation
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>>121090317
>Adventure Time
Kek, that’s even worse than SU and I didn’t even think it was possible until Come Along With Me
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easy
i love aang
and i hate steven universe guy

i won the game
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>>121090228
Fuck you, She-Ra>SU
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>>121090228
>it is in the collective memory and there´s nothing you can do about it.
So is the oud house and it not only did better then Steven universe but it's simpler and has more potential for "life lessons and moral statements" then this show.
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>>121090228
>SU will go into history as the best cartoon of the decade.
no prizes , no alumni worth a dam , no nothing but gay propaganda and gay prizes

lmao fag
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>>121090389
I have never understood how why it gets chopped up in 5 seasons
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>>121089495
No, and steven constantly softballed everything and got the easy out. Aang lost everything and started at the near bottom and earned everything. Steven did everything and then decided he had ptsd. Aang had normal reactions to things at the time they where happening. Steven got lucky that white's reset shit didn't fuck him up, and ended up just kind of "forgiving" the diamonds with no repercussions. Aang fought with an opponent who was going to KILL him and bested him, then took the very power which he lauded over others and left him a husk of his former self.

Steven wishes he could be Aang, just because both have a friendly demeanor and prefer piece doesn't mean I cannot hate Steven.
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>>121090347
Only the first part is relevant, the rest is just typical 4chan bullshit that has always existed.
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>>121089495
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>>121090450
like any other tv series? dafuq are you talking about
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>>121090009

Then you should know what I mean.

ATLA's propaganda boils down to "genocide bad"

SU's propaganda is "tyrants aren't so bad once you get to know them, also what even is gender am i right 12 year olds?"
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>>121090495
It was like 52, how is that 5 seasons worth? That used to be just one season.
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>>121090549
episodes are 30 minutes long, the story arcs fit into around 10 of them each season, and releasing episodes in batches of 10 gives animators time to work on the next batch while the one before it can be advertised and garner views
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>>121090462
>got the easy out
Not really, Ozai was definitely weaker than Aang, WD was definitely stronger than Steven. Aang punched down. Plus being the Avatar, uh he’s sort of the balancer of the world so everyone will listen to him. But Steven’s shit is more comparable to going up against like Raava’s dad. Like one is Jesus vs Hitler and another is Jesus vs God Hitler
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>>121090302
he is a pussy
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>>121090808
No he’s not
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>>121089591
I know you ain’t posting Owl House
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>>121089495
Both are faggots that would let their girlfriend get raped by someone because violence is not the answer
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>>121089495
Aang was the least interesting character in ATLA though and the way he won against Ozai was an ass pull.
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>>121089495
No!
They have some similarities, but are different!
You like sword and sandal , Avitar, you like sci fi, Steven!
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>>121089495
What is the connection here? Retarded kid with powers?
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>>121091362
Aang had to work his ass off to compete with Ozai. Steven gaining the convenient power of nepotism by becoming Pink Diamond was an actual cop out that turned him invincible and him talking all the diamonds into becoming friendly and obedient within the span of a single episode was the most retarded shit I've ever seen in an animated series finale
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>>121091681
So we are just going to pretend that Aang didn't just conveniently meet the Lion Turtle and conveniently learned energy bending so that he could had depowered Ozai instead of killing him?
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>>121090239
>After everything's done and settled, the gems have nothing to do but be whored out as propaganda
You ever think they regret trying to save earth?
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>>121089583
fpbp
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>>121089495
Nah, I love Aang and if I ever met him I'd love to try and sit down and talk for hours with him.

If I met Steven I'm fairly confident I would stab him.
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>>121089495
aang isn't gay
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>>121091750
Over a hundred men has been inside of Aang though.
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>>121091719
I doubt anyone with a brain would equate these two examples.
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>>121091681
>Pink Diamond was an actual cop out that turned him invincible
He was very much not invincible, he literally lied down dying in front of White
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>>121089751

>waging war against a galactic empire

No. Steven literally got a few henchmen sent to him and got invited back and not completely raped on nepotism alone. Aang didn’t have the convenience of being related to a fire nation royal family that are just a couple of wine aunts in order to talk them down.
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>>121089495
This is probably the definition of bad faith debate
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>>121091719
It was a middle ground between pacifism and killing. Aang kicking Ozai's ass, turning him into a benderless bitch, and getting him locked up like he deserved was 100x times more satisfying than the shit Steven pulled with the diamonds who were even more evil and deserving of punishment than Ozai but got away scott fucking free.

I don't even know how it's a contest but I guess faggots will trash on any show just to prop up shit with gay people in it
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>>121091814
>got invited back
Because he was Pink Diamond. However, if he killed the other Diamonds, I’m pretty sure every other Gem would be pisser. Also Aang is just best friends with the royal family and happens to be the spiritual leader
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>>121089495
>Steve is a faggot that forgave a genocidal maniac and gets cucked by his dad
>Aang denied a genocidal maniac death and took everything away from him and let him live to see it.
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>>121091681
See what’s funny to me is that Steven went that general guy’s route of being in situations that would trigger his power instead of like working them by hand. But then again that genera was pretty based
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>>121091842

>because he’s Pink Diamond

Literally why I said nepotism. And that’s on par with being a spiritual leader if not god empress in SU that demands obedience in the gem empire to the point of no questions asked lesser gem executions. Other Avatar incarnations wished they had that level of authoritarian power. Not to mention Steven’s power basically steam rolled WD’s and single handedly got him the other two diamonds on his side so it’s not like he’s punching up by any means.
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>>121091921
>And that’s on par with being a spiritual leader if not god empress in SU that demands obedience in the gem empire to the point of no questions asked lesser gem executions.
Yeah, lesser Gems. There is a reason Pink is on the bottom of the Diamonds and White remains supreme to the point her Pearl can tell Yellow and Blue to eat shit
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>>121090710
White Diamond is way less of a threat to Steven than Ozai was to Aang, as crazy as that may sound considering Ozai is wannabe god meanwhile White is actual god. Steven didn't have to work hard to "defeat" White because White already loved him/her, mostly all he needed to do was stand around and let the events play out. Ozai was much stronger than Aang without the Avatar State the fight itself posed more of a challenge to Aang than anything Steven had to overcome past the Rose reveal. Steven's biggest conflict with White was her turning the screws on his identity issues but he didn't need to do anything to overcome that except witness the truth.
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>>121091950
That rock on Aang’s back was BS.
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>>121091945
>bottom of the totem pole

Again Pink’s power steamrolled through and basically got Steven out of every bad situation he’s been in including WD’s supposed superior power.
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>>121091978
>Again Pink’s power steamrolled through
It blocked like one attack. It wasn’t exactly wrecking shit.
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>>121091872
That general was absolutely fucking right. Aang’s techniques meant shit once he went Avatar against Ozai
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While energybending was a cop out, Aang's story was definitely better at showing the challenges of pacifism in a violent world. The shows are pretty different though in tone and structure - comparing them seems kind of pointless.
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>>121091999

If it can resist a full blast of WD’s power when she’s actually fucking pissed and not fucking around anymore you can be damn sure that shield could fuck her over.
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>>121092052
I don’t know defense would equal offense.
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>>121089495
I hate both. I hate Aang less though.
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>>121092083
Why hate Aang though?
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>>121092082

Steven effectively used his defensive powers against Jasper in an offensive way, if the same defensive power against WD was actually applied as it was in Japser’s situation at the same scale Steven would probably stomp. Even if that wasn’t the case, the war of attrition between an immovable object and an unstoppable force would at the very least make them equal on the playing field.
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>>121091762
And some women
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>https://twitter.com/MannLightfoot/status/1244841651127963648
For anyone who wants to see the tweet's faggot op getting buttblasted by the amount of negative replies
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>>121092157
Eh, that was Jasper, this is White. But a stalemate can be easily broken by the rest of HW
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>>121092157
Yellow Diamond just smashed Steven through the shield, I don't know if White has it in her to do anything physical though like stepping on him. Steven would probably lose a war of attrition because he'll tire before her. But yes a big reason why Steven won was because White couldn't just overpower him like the Diamonds would do to Pink whenever they threw her in the prison tower.
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>>121092197
>Linking to a Twitter post
That is even worse than a screencap you piece of shit
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>>121092276
Die mad faggot
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>>121092303
Go look for retweets somewhere else
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>>121092082
>I don’t know defense would equal offense.
It does for Steven. He can rapidly expand his impervious barrier like a shockwave to topple foes.
Admittedly, Steven absolutely hates going on the offensive.
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>>121092456
Every steven universe tranny in this thread migrated here from lefty twitter
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>>121092461
Yellow popped it pretty easily
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>>121091719
Energybending was also something never even mentioned in the series until it showed up at the end of the Ozai fight.
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>>121092856
Avatarfaggots like to pretend it totally wasn't an asspull and isn't shit in comparison to Steven Universe when in reality they are both just different quality of shit.
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>>121090347
Why is posting on your phone bad? I usually just post on PC but if I'm at the gym or anywhere else outside I browse on my phone.
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>>121090239
ftfy
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Reminder that only Korra is shit. Why the fuck does it exist?

There is no movie in Ba Sing Se
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>>121092990
Does Avatar really need a movie?
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>>121092977
Saved
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>>121093000
Does it really need a Netflix adaption?
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>>121089495
I completely missed the Steven Universe boat, so I have no strong opinions on it at all.
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>>121093012
Did you hear Katara is gonna be 16 in that?
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>>121089495
Hell no. Aang actually had his morals tested repeatedly. Steven always had things fall into place for him because the writers were more focused on subversion than telling a good story.
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>>121089495
Aang is a spiritualist monk burdened with the duty of saving the world from a militaristic force expected to murder a man when he’s barely a teenager. Steven is a reincarnation of his mother (sort of) who comes off as a an annoying kid who doesn’t know any better.

One is experienced and wisened after experiencing great suffering. The other is a kid with alien physiology who knows jackshit.
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>>121090228
>best cartoon of the decade
From a "left a lasting impact" standpoint, that would be Gravity Falls.

From a ratings dominance standpoint, that would be Loud House.

With the lame PSAs and cringey already dated morals you will be more like the Captain Planet of this decade. Brought up mostly just to get meme'd on.
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Imagine not being prepared to use lethal force when the time arises.
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>>121089495
Both were pretty lame main characters, so... yeah?
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>>121092197
The longer he goes the more he squirms.
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>>121093952
>Ben 10
What a joke
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>>121093932
Mmm, things definitely feel gayer because of SU. I choose to blame it for the industry
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>>121089495
neither of them are a very good depiction of pacifistic characters being forced to go against their beliefs for the sake of others in animation to begin with
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>>121092973
People wanna live in the past and not feel old. They only wanna recognize rotary phones
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>>121093952
imagine being such a chad the creators have to ruin you to drag out the series
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Aang kicked the shit out of people including the Fire Lord. He may not have killed Ozai, but he did de-power him both physically and politically. Ozai was thrown in prison to rot for his crimes against the world and the victims of his abuse were allowed to get closure, he wasn't left in power under supervision while his victims were glad handed into acceptance in order for a violence free resolution to occur. Steven is sad, Aang is a chad.
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>>121089495
False equivalence.
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>>121090193
>What about Zhao?
Well yea, Aang hopped out of the water mech and the spirit grabbed Zhao on its way back to the pond, remember?
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>>121095295
Based
SU trannies on suicide watch
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>>121089495
that's fucking retarded
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>>121089495
I haven't seen Steven Universe but don't the diamonds he Talk no Jutsus commit like, intergalactic genocide?
Ozai was an asshole but he tried to provide a good life for the people of the fire nation, which would've been everyone if he won.
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>>121095295
Sounds to me Aang is wasting government resources instead of putting him to actual use
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I don’t hate either, but I don’t like SU the show itself. I feel that it’s bad writing ruined Steven and the other characters, especially with their half hazard morals.
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>>121096612
By that logic, the Diamonds did nothing wrong since they were looking out for their own species as well
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>>121095295
Ozai has a fate worse than death.
In Japan and the Fire Nation, death would be honorable after defeat.
Now he lost everything, his respect, his dignity, and his powers.

Meanwhile Steven let's his nazi mothers rule because they're sorry. He doesn't even take responsibility of his powers or inheritance to govern peace like Aang does.
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>>121096696
But they don’t rule anymore
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That is the most obtuse logic ever, and obviously trying to force a catch-22 where it doesn't exist.
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>>121090228
SU will go down in history as the waste of potential it was and dogshit staffing behind it. gravity falls and adventure time will always be far more fondly and culturally remembered from the 2010s era of cartoons.
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>>121091978
>Again Pink’s power steamrolled through and basically got Steven out of every bad situation he’s been in
Yeah, that’s what superpowers are for
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>>121096707
They rule over the gems and homeworld. Realistically, Steven should be the one governing homeworld or assisting them. Instead he's driving away because he abandoned his responsibilities.

Meanwhile Aang was responsible with his job as the Avatar even to death.
Aang >>>>>>>> Steven
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>>121089495
Do they mean the characters or the shows? Because I don't hate either character, and while I certainly like Avatar CONSIDERABLY more than I like SU, I can't actually say that I hate SU.
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>>121096747
Dude, they don’t rule, where are you getting from? They have elections now, and that would be ridiculous for Steven to lead, he’s a 16 year old. Also he’s driving away because he’s moving out which is what people used to do at that age
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>>121096775
Aang was 12, physically and mentally.
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Not in the slightest. Maybe you hate bald characters, or people will shrill voices. There are myriad reasons to love or hate anyone, both legitimate and banal
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>>121096783
And I personally found it a little dumb they’ll all gonna listen to someone whose balls haven’t even dropped and Iroh’s excuse of Zuko being a good leader because he had a pure heart a little cheesy
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>>121089495
Aang isn't a faggot and the show doesn't look like shit.
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>>121091318
Can that someone be Anon?
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>>121096790
Aang's the avatar, and could trash everybody's shit with the avatar state if he felt like it. Normally he wouldn't, but I'd imagine Sokka probably had that bluff in mind if they had to convince the council beneath Ozai to back the fuck off and let Zuko take the throne.
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>>121096825
That’s a little Injustice-y.
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>>121096839
It is to bring balance though, given the world was out of whack because of the Fire Nation's century-long campaign. Plus, kings being removed by force by their sons isn't exactly unheard of. Might not always work for the one taking control, but what are some old farts gonna do when a kid who is borderline god tells them to start playing nice?
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>>121096871
You’re making it sound like that Twilight Zone episode about the kid who controls an entire town
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>>121096519
And the soldiers?
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>>121089495
Comparing Avatar and SU is like comparing Chrysanthemums and poison ivy. Yeah they're both plants but they're also vastly different and, most would agree, one is superior to the other.
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>>121090193
>You going to put that all on the ocean spirit?
Kind of, yeah. IIRC Aang was actually unconscious during the entire thing, and the Ocean Spirit was basically using his body as a puppet to take revenge. I guess it would be on him for letting the spirit take control, but how would he have known that something like that would happen?
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>>121090228
It'll go down as the cartoon that made it's living pandering to tumblr-minded sociopaths. A colossal waste of potential that dithered about as it's creators gave mixed signals in an attempt to appease as many woke extremists possible. The best thing to come out of SU were artists like Bushmallet
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>>121089607
I always felt Aang was made like that intentionally to make it easier for viewers to ignore him somewhat and pretend to be in “his shoes” especially as kid. Aang is rather basic of a character
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>>121096907
Not really, just the usual antics they'd pull where some dudes try to be scary, Sokka says "don't make the avatar angry" and they nearly pee themselves
>>121097018
The ones that got shoved around by the water? Probably fine. Either were captured by the Northern tribe, or fled to safety.
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>>121097332
Yeah, definitely sounds like a Injustice thing
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SU is badly written, it flip flops between slice of life shit and trying a grand storyline and fails on both, and the core underlying theme is that emotions make you weak and erratic, despite trying to display that as a good thing.
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>>121097368
Literally depicts flaws of everything wrong with modern universalism without even realizing it. Typical of those types
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>>121089723
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>>121090501

Don’t fucking conflate messaging with propaganda you useless schizos
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>>121091721
Getting paid to say stupid shit? I’d kill for that
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>>121097422
It's typical post-modernism that confuses stoicisms mastering of self and emotions for repression, unironically proving Stoicism correct when Steven, a person encouraged to be free and wild with his emotions, breaks down and becomes a literal monster that needs childish affirmation to stop rampaging.
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>>121097368
I've said this so many times on here the past few years.

SU isn't a bad show by any means, in fact I think it has some of the most unique designs of any cartoon of the 2010s, however, the writers seemed to have been confused what kind of show they wanted. The balance between slice of life, slow paced kids' cartoon vs. deep lore sci-fi adventure action cartoon for young adults swayed back and forth.
If it was more consistent and just knew what it wanted to be I probably would've loved it.

Yeah, Aang is a pacifist and spared his shows' version of Hitler, but that was AT THE END OF THE SERIES. Aang had already battled MULTIPLE villains up to this point and most of the time had no issue fighting them to protect his friends. They saved the pacifist moment for literally the final 10 minutes of the final episode, whereas in SU......... Steven spares and redeems literally every. single. villain. All of them. It literally became a parody of itself.
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>>121097459
Now SU gets a point for that because it promotes structure and discipline in parenting and how a lack of that will fuck a kid up. I feel too much stuff does the opposite and wants free reign kids
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>>121097430
Basically Avatar isn’t preaching about it. Even with Korra being dyke it makes sense and feels less force because less be honest Korra always gave off bi vibe and hit “characteristics” especially personality wise where most people could easily believe she a dyke or plays both ways. More classic tomboy to bi/dyke.
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>>121097367
They aren't killing anybody or forcing an unjust regime though.
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>>121097488
It doesn't promote it though, it just confirms the life lessons SU actually does promote are horrible.
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>>121089495
It's not. Both are good tho
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>>121089495
Aang isn't a faggot
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>>121097500
What is the point of a council if they are not allowed to question ? Aang would burn the Magna Carta if he could
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>>121097469
>SU isn't a bad show by any means
HA
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>>121097544
It's just a matter of getting them to accept Zuko as the new Fire Lord, since there likely had been some resistance, though clearly not enough since the comics don't seem to mention Zuko having too much opposition outside of some who preferred the war for "unity"
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>>121097459
I learn about this shit in school and casually. These fuckers are to blinded by either Marxist or traditionalist Christian sources they have no fucking idea or understand shit about Greco-Roman pre Christian classics. Fuck Thomas Aquinas, fuck Marx, and fuck all this modernist shit. I can literally fucking google half shit easily so it’s annoying these fucks are either to blind/brainwashed or stupid to look up.
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>>121097605
Is that the one where some guy cucks him
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>>121097653
I only read the first few, so I don't know. I recall something about Mai breaking up with him, which just makes their whole thing in season 3 literally pointless, but the creators seem determined to take the biggest shit all over their work with the comic books.
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>>121097651
Aquinas is the reason Christanity allowed individualism and rationalism to flourish anon. Without him, Christanity becomes like Islam, which basically outlawed rational thinking for centuries.

Aquinas was the guy who introduced the idea that Natural law, man's and God's Law are different.
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>>121097680
Comics can be ignored. I did that with Dragon Age and most things that start as tv, show, or movie first. With how much they change canon in multiple franchises now if I ever bought any of these labels I would just the “shit/garbage” un canon. Especially with Dragon Age. Then give fags who added gay or pandering shit huge middle finger subtle in “recon” or reboot
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>>121090194
Surprise surprise people would rather talk about the better series.
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>>121097763
Well yea, that's the simple thing to do, especially since it seems like Korra didn't even bother to bring anything from the comics that were out during her time into the lore as far as I recall. And even with the Korra comics, they probably won't crossover anything and just continue to pile more crap onto their respective shows.
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>>121089495
Have not watched Avatar but I have not heard of Aang redeeming Azula and Ozai on his travels, so no.
Also, correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't Aang earn his powers, and it's why he wins? Steven literally just lucks out every time he is in a fight. He creates a shield by accident, fuses by accident, gains a new power by accident, etc. He never actually defeated White Diamond, he just happened to NOT be PD and that was enough to break her. Technically White won and then had a change of heart when she realized what she actually won, Steven is a horrible hero.
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>>121097745
Fair but Christianity got west into that position in first place and Thomas biggest contribution is not his actual input but trying to translate Classics especially Plato that lead to later things. Most people later using that same rationalism figure out that Thomas even himself is often so blinded by dogma and his religion. People mention Plato and Aristotle while “glancing” over Thomas for good reasons
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>>121097459
Uh, anyone can break down man
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>>121097811
No, he wins for being the Avatar. If he was just a regular guy who beat up Ozai, he’d kinda just be executed along with his friends.
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>>121097816
Depending on the conditions sure.

But Steven had no reason to break down, he had solved everything in his life, but because he was an emotionally immature manchild, his minor insecurities became a complex that lead to his distabilization.
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>>121097856
It’s more because he tended to suppress things as a child so they pop out later in life
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>>121097811
Sort of. Aang is able to learn all the powers because he's the avatar, and thus his learning is greatly accelerated by virtue of his past lives awakening memories inside him when he begins to learn. Of course, they don't always come easy. Air and Water were simple, as they share similarities in their style and philosophy. But Earth and Fire were difficult for Aang due to how their principles conflicted with his views. Earth required more focus than what he was used to, and he was initially led to use anger for Fire.
However, he does get an extremely lucky break via a mystical creature giving him a fifth power to depower the villain.
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>>121097888
I guess he's lamer than I thought. But if he trained in the slightest and had a hold on his powers, then he's better than Steven who is never able to do that. Even when you think he does, he just gains new shit for free that just works out.
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>>121097888
Yeah they just got way too many differences in how their powers work. Because the thing is, nobody knows how the fuck to train Steven. Especially not the Gems. They didn’t even train to learn. They’re born knowing what they do like machines.
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>>121097888
It takes way more from Eastern culture obviously. Aang is basically a Buddhist monk. The earth and fire benders could be more of Japanese or nomadic people or even maybe Muslims more so. Or west vaguely. Western philosophy before Christianity was more stoic and at times militaristic along with individualistic vs more collective Confucius
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>>121097812
You're forgetting it was Aquinas and his contemporaries like Albertus Magnus and the New Dominican order that even allowed the classics to flourish and to be divorced from the more common thought that "Everything is done by god"

You can't discredit Aquinas about dogma when Plato and Aristotle were themselves also bogged down by dogma, You can't also discredit Aquinas for being a builder upon older philsophies, or you can do the exact same for Plato and Aristotle.

Aquinas was extremely important for western Philsophy, not just for reigniting classic theories of thought, but for his own.

Hell, Metaphysics is a phrase still used today entirely by theories of Aquinas.
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>>121097874
Supress my ass. He didn't supress anything, the issue was Steven had no control over his emotions.

He was an emotionally crippled manchild because he was never given guidence on how to handle his emotions.
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>>121096726

Holy fuck no. Intelligence and careful application of powers through training and effort is basic story telling, not having your powers to hand hold you through your mistakes and avoid major consequences. Crying tears to wake up the dead at the end of bad movies has been and always will be the pinnacle of cheap writing.
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>>121097812
People overlook Aquinas because the study of the realtionship of between world, man and god is basically ignored in modern philsophy.

Hell, modern philosphy is a joke period, because they still allow marxism and socialist theory, things long long LONG disproven by their narrow perceptions of what human thought is, to be taught.

Imagine if a Philsophy class allowed people to still think the earth revolved around the sun, that is Marxism.
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>>121098062
That’s what powers are for. To use them in situations others would be fucked up against. Do you just not want him to have powers?
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>>121098095
Not him, but there's a difference between a power that's earned and used well within the plot, and the character basically getting an "I win" button that they either had all the time and conveniently didn't know about, or were given at the last second because they conveniently were in the right place to activate their bullshit power.
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>>121098082
Agreed, Plato books are over 2 millenniums old but still more valid and telling then anything a Marxist has made. It’s lasting effect alone is telling
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>>121098095

>do you want him to not have powers

Unironically yes
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>>121098082
Also true about Marxist part but I was referring to more of enlightenment and pre Marxist thinkers. They just saw “ancien regimes” and church that supported as stagnant and weakening west. I was pointing out why more Voltaire era dismiss such figures as just “pasting torch”
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>>121098017
I prefer classics and think church has weaken west and post Greco-Roman world more so then help considering what came before and what came after. We would be Muslim like with Thomas input and translations I will give him that
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>>121098124
But his powers almost never first show up in a fight. He made the shield while eating ice cream, made the bubble while with Connie, made the watermelon Stevens while eating watermelon, fused while dancing and having a nice time, Dream powers during sleeping after a long day, possession powers during thinking about someone at night. These aren’t exactly pulled out of nowhere in the climax of a fight
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>>121098257
Maybe, but those aren't quite bullshit like tears that basically let him not lose anyone he decides to cry over. If you're gonna do what is basically a save through the power of love, it should still require something more than just a mere reaction like crying. Maybe even have a limit and possible consequence if overused.
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>>121098303
I mean; if you look at Lars, he basically died from head trauma, I don’t think it would do anything if he was like drawn and quartered
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>>121097368
My problem with the writing wasn't really the balance. I quite enjoyed the mixture.
I just thought that a lot of the resolutions for each episode kinda missed the mark on what began the conflict in the first place. Thus, they fail to provide a satisfying resolution to each episode.
The most egregious example of this was S1 episode 3 where Steven's childishness and irresponsibility causes the crash of the tower, but it ends with the episode chanting the very symbol of that irresponsibility: the backpack.

This sort of thing happens in a LOT of episodes in season 1 where the problem that initially kick starts the conflict is completely ignored.
In the Frybo episode, the conflict begins when Steven doesn't pay attention to Pearl and uses the shards to bring the suit to life.
This sounds like a set up for how Steven gets to learn to pay attention.
Instead, the conflict is solved by Steven using.. more shards.. to bring more clothes to life. Y'know, the very action that caused all the ruckus in the first place.
It's just not very good writing.
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>>121098328
Given the kind of crap SU got away with, someone probably would because god forbid the boy ever suffer a major loss. At least Aang didn't get some magical fix all for his people being genocided.
Yes, I know he sort of does in Korra where all those fuckers just get to become airbenders, but that whole show was a mess of bullshit
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>>121098346
No, that was a Peedee and his dad thing. Different shit. The actual monster is just a vehicle
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>>121098381
Was it ever said if Aang was killed by Azula or not? I forget. They don’t outright say it but I felt that’s what they were going for. Though I think he did say he was gone
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>>121098388
Indeed, even so,
having the resolution for the conflict be the very thing that started the problem in the first place just plane out doesn't make sense.
It isn't even acknowledged by Pearl at all too with her only comment in the end being "wear your clothes."
The fact that Steven's irresponsibility of not paying attention to Pearl's advice is not even touched let alone resolved.
A lot of episode does this with Steven. Where he just keeps being irresponsible and the show doesn't even acknowledges that fact
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>>121098426
He was pretty close to dying, but I don't think he completely crossed over yet, since the next avatar would have likely been born to take his place as is the case when the current expires. It was only because Katara had the water she got back in the North Pole she was able to save him.
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>>121089534
They’re trying to say they’re the same, even though there not. I mean The Avatar gets the girl in the end not friend zoned.
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>>121098449
But the monster isn’t the conflict, it’s again the vehicle to represent the conflict.
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>>121098469
>This fucking autist again
I thought you killed yourself at this point
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>>121098479
It's a poorly written representation of the conflict.
The creation of that monster really was just Steven's fault.
The kid didn't know any better, Steven, who have been warned, should have.
It's a better representation of Steven's irresponsibility than the kid's responsibility.
This is what I'm saying. The show misses the mark constantly on what the core reason of the conflict is, so when the resolution happens, it just feels weak.
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>>121098534
But it wasn’t about responsibility for the monster, it was Peedee and his dad having issues
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>>121098500
What's wrong now?
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>>121098545
Yes, it's the relationship between his dad, whatever.
That's not the point.
The point is that the monster's creation was Steven's fault more than anyone.
But the show completely ignores this, to the point where the actual resolution for defeating the monster is repeating that irresponsible action that started the whole thing in the first place.
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>>121098581
But the monster isn’t the point at all is what I’m saying
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>>121098469
didn't steven and connie end up boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of steven universe future? I never watched it but that was the impression I got from twitter faggots
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>>121098581
To be fair, you can have the solution be doing more of whatever caused it to begin with, but there still has to be some kind of addressing of the person who made shit hit the fan all the same.
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>>121098604
Yeah they kiss and are planning to have breakfast together and go in space on the weekends
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>>121098346
>I just thought that a lot of the resolutions for each episode kinda missed the mark on what began the conflict in the first place. Thus, they fail to provide a satisfying resolution to each episode.
Almost like the writers didn't adjust their writing style to the short episode lengths.
If you know you have a limited amount of time per ep then don't give yourself more than you can chew.
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Sure why not. Steven is unironically a more likable protagonist than Aang though.
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>>121098590
The monster was a major focus on the plot.
It was effectively the only exterior conflict in that episode and it runs on shitty writing.
I wouldn't complain if this was the only instance of this happening, but this is a major problem especially in a lot of season 1 episodes.
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>>121098642
Why does everyone shit on Aang? He’s a good boy
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>>121098581
Sounds like modern liberalism
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>>121098656
But the exterior conflict is only used as a tool for in the internal one. Or rather interior as it’s a situation between 2 people.
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>>121098621
I agree, but Steven goes away free.
his irresponsibility isn't addressed at all in this episode
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>>121098693
That's what I said, they still need to address the elephant in the room. Even Regular Show still made sure whoever caused the park to be destroyed got an earful, usually Rigby, but still.
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>>121098680
yes, and I'm saying those don't add up.
The exterior conflict is poorly written to match the interior one in the show.
Therefore, the resolutions for the episode comes short.
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>>121098043
>he was never given guidence on how to handle his emotions.
I mean, there's no disputing this. Every single authority figure in his life was some kind of mentally unstable mess that could barely handle their own substantial emotional baggage. His own father was a lazy beach bum who didn't bother enrolling Steven in school or even taking him to Doctor's appointments because of his own unresolved parental issues.
Contrast this to all the kids in Avatar, who at one point or another had an adult mentor or guardian who taught them important lessons about themselves and their place in the world.
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>>121098757
Because the exterior one is mainly meaningless and just as a way to have Peedee and his dad know how the other feels
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>>121098780
A good old Cartoon Network comparison might be Billy and Mandy. They had no issue depicting characters as retards, stupid, amoral, and as assholes but made joke of it not justified behavior. Many actually get dark sense of karma at times
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>>121098346
Here's another good one:
The episode where Steven turns himself into an abomination of cats (lovely concept) starts when Steven ignores Pearls advice of not to transform willy nilly.
The conflict is resolved not by Steven learning to control his transformations but by crying about it to his dad, who has no idea what the fuck he's doing and sprays him with water in desperation.
You'd think, at the very least, Steven would learn from his mistakes and the lesson would be that he shouldn't transform willy nilly and listen to Pearl's warnings, but no.
The lesson is apparently per Garnet's words: "it should teach us to trust Steven to handle himself."
lol
In later episodes we see Steven doing the cat trick again, even though there isn't a need to, showing that he didn't learn at all.
I really am confused if the writers are doing this intentionally or they just not very self aware on what they are writing.
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>>121098661
I suppose the mere fact steven had an actual family and even conflicts within that family, humanizing him and displaying a certain character growth we hadn't seen before- for his father, revolt against his stuffy yuppie parents in the 1990s to pursue a life of rock and roll seemed like a great idea, but for steven who had spent his life in the somewhat lackadaisical world of adventures with the gems and pizza at dad's carwash, the more stable life of a middle class kid in a normal house was appealing. At the least he wanted perhaps to know his grandparents and was angry at his father for denying him that experience purely because of what he viewed as his father's silly conflict.

Aang has no family, no parents, no past to the point where they literally declare every airbender is dead for the sake of convenience. Even the airbenders who are later alive again aren't related, they aren't just "bending nomads who had no bending and thus were not admitted to the temple, left instead to become an underclass in other nations". Aang's connection to his own people, supposedly a major focal point of the story and leading to questions of whether he should seek revenge for his people or hold to their teachings, is completely irrelevant.

Aang could be replaced by Clint Eastwood's character from the WA WA WA movie and he'd have the same depth of kin relationships.

Now maybe you have disagreements- but the fact is Aang's existence as an air nomad- central to the story- is itself basically irrelevant to the story. A totally central element never gets explored at any point purely because the writers don't give a shit. Last of his kind is treated as just a checkbox on the road to being avatar/root of conflict rather than anything meaningful in his character development.
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>>121098852
Heck, even Ben 10 usually had Ben learning some lesson, even if a few episodes later would have him pull another retarded stunt. Did get a bit grating at times in the sequel series, where they sometimes made him even more reckless than his kid self, but I know that franchise has been something of CN's whipping boy, hence the reboot being designed to be extremely toyetic than the previous ones.
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>>121098867
Someone said it was made by woman. Many don’t understand when they are clearly in wrong so they just cry and whine out of confusion especially if people baby them non stop
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>>121098926
I do shit on this episode, but seriously lovely concept.
horrifying as hell. Shame about the writing
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>>121098867
It's more realistic this way. If people actually learned anything the world wouldn't be so fucked. All you can do is tell people not to play with matches and keep running water on hand/matches out of the way as precautions.
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>>121098895
Huh. Did not expect this much of an answer
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>>121098867
I don't get the complaint here.
>Steven was new to transforming so doing it willy nilly is bad
>He fucks up and yeah, it's really bad
>So when he masters it more, he does it again, but in a much less subdued way
Where's the problem?
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>>121098907
I give them a “pass” or different criticism on that. Like Teen Titan Go you can tell they are just making shit and don’t put much thought in it so it being retard or reckless like a looney toon is more excusable and even acceptable if done well and right. Steven Universe tries to have “lesson” and “message” somewhat but fails completely
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>>121098964
perhaps, but I don't think really makes for a satisfying resolution.
It doesn't even feel like a resolution in this one
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>>121098867
>later episodes we see Steven doing the cat trick again, even though there isn't a need to, showing that he didn't learn at all.
That was a gag and long after he had better control over his abilities
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>>121098895
But it was hardly out of convenience that the airbenders were all dead, it was because the villain thought he could break the cycle by removing one of the four nations/races that the avatar reincarnated into. As for the people who were living in the one temple, they weren't technically airbenders, just peole Aang accepted as the new inhabitants because he knew he couldn't just throw people out just because they weren't his kind and didn't respect all the culture they were living in.
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>>121098780
Yeah, it’s even said out loud they are terrible at being his guardians of teachers
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>>121099015
He doesn't master it.
He had to cry about it to his daddy, and in the end of the episode, Garnet tells us that this event should tell how Steven can handle himself.
How?
He didn't "handle" anything. In fact, the episode was just one giant fuck up on Steven's part. He isn't even the part of the resolution.
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>>121099022
Yea, but TTG has got a lot of problems that go beyond their writing, such as their attitude towards anyone who criticizes their show, even when it's actually fair and not just "not muh titans"
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>>121099080
He came up with the resolution when recalling how water drove them away
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>>121099098
I think them saying that was basically network saying “fuck off, we are rebooting this for dumb little kids”. The original was more preteen aim. The rest are likely targeted at little little kids who like colors, noise, can’t follow plot, and need a distraction. Basically modern looney toons but much less clever and good
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>>121099080
>Garnet tells us that this event should tell how Steven can handle himself. How?
By not doing it for a while? The next time he uses cat fingers again is a couple of seasons after iirc. That's after he learned how to use his other abilities.
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>>121099058
He never even for a single second thinks "who were my parents". All the other characters have family-related motivations, such as Zuko with his faggot father or Sokka with his father. Aang is an empty vessel whose relationship with the airbenders is merely established as important/the primary driving force but at no point does he really ask where he comes from or why or who his people were. He was merely an acolyte from a people who are supposedly celibate in nunneries and monasteries, but also supposedly nomadic. His existence is an afterthought for the writers because his people were always supposed to be extinct and thus Aang was the special main character with a power no one else had. That was the big extent of his life.

Also his relationships with people like Bumi were fucked up. Instead of Bumi living for 112 fucking years it should have just been his son carrying on in his name with a message from his princely friend from a hundred years prior.

Aang had the worst character development of any character on that show, Sokka and Zuko were infinitely more interesting to watch because they were always underdogs compared to the other characters who were all 'gifted' and spent their time compensating for their inefficiencies by gathering other skills that could make them better mixed-arms warriors.

Zuko and Sokka almost take Aang's place on the "getting revenge for my life" development with Zuko eventually choosing not to fuck over his sister after everything she'd done. Aang didn't even have any personal problems with the fire lord at the end of the story, it was all glossed over just so Aang didn't have to make hard decisions.

The next series might even be worse because of the problems created by the colonization never really being fixed but instead you have Earth kingdom revanchism just to shake things up. And mecha, because fuck you.
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>>121099108
really just pure speculation.
Neither the dad or Steven knew what the fuck they were doing.
you might as well have him fall in a ocean beforehand or some shit.
I like this episode because of the whole cat abomination, but it was weak man.
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>>121099156
Maybe at first, but it seems like they always want to come back and pick a fight with people, even when they aren't talking about TTG, as seen with them defending Thundercats Roar with that cringe inducing cameo with Larry Kenney, which just seemed like "shut up, stop having opinions about any show!"
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>>121099209
A lot of it is hit or miss desu. I get a couple chuckles from it
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>>121099175
that line comes at the end of the episode.
It tells that the events that transpired during that episode should tell us that Steven can handle himself.
In reality, her just goes and cries about it to his dad.
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>>121099191
Not like he has to have family issues, especially when he was faced with the reality of being the last of his entire race. I'd think anyone in that situation wouldn't be just worrying about their parents, though in Aang's case, they made it clear the Air Nomad culture was about everyone being family to one another basically, hence why Gyatso was so important to Aang out of anyone he knew from his era.

What's wrong with Bumi living for so long? It just helps establish that some people can long lived.

I'd hardly call it the worst, not when you have characters like Ty Lee and Mai who basically only get one big moment, and that's stopping Azula from harming Zuko, and then being shut away until the finale.

Yea, Aang got out of stopping Ozai too easy, but that's hardly something anyone can defend even with the mentions and hints about the Lion-Turtles in earlier episodes at least making their existence not entirely bullshit.

Korra in general is just a clusterfuck.
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>>121089615
yes, a lot of females (female) I know liked it
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>>121099293
He never asks questions about anything at all, family or Gyatso. What came before. He has no interest, meaning that his entire existence as the last air nomad is a character trait rather than any meaningful point which his character can develop on.
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>>121099209
I understand being Dick somewhat to hardcore nerds that non stop bitch but you are right they are getting so full of themselves at this. I think they drove out most decent writers and jumped on circle jerk of current cultural environment. I don’t understand how old looney toon cartoon “violence” and slapstick is more “out date” for little kids now. Honestly think if they still made such things like original ones little kids would still love it. Even as kid I am 100 percent sure half shit I would see on many of networks now would make me think something like “cringe” or “this is fucking retard and gay” even when I was 8. Most of gayest shit they had on kids show back then was usually aimed at girls while boys show at worse would be overtop weird but not justifying the fuckery of it. The adult jokes use to be way more subtle and harmless/messageless in tone just as nod to parents watching and joke for them. The fucking animation on a lot of shit now alone looks so unappealing. They literally have a show about a retard and Autistic kid(Clarence) I think and I just remembered wanting to punch who ever created that
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>>121099425
But he did care what was going on with his people until he found they were all gone. After that, he had to focus on first saving the world and worrying about the survival of his kind later. Not like the show had to be focused on him not having a father figure or anything, especially when he had found a family of sorts in Katara, Sokka, and Toph. He had plenty of meaningful changes when he had to learn the elements that went against his carefree Airbender natue.
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>>121099429
Yea, I've not clue what to say about TTG or its direction, if it even has any. I've seen that clip about everyone farting, and I just can't understand who would think that's funny. And I say that as someone who did snicker at the retarded as hell "fart fight" in Family Guy between Peter and Michael Moore.
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>>121099425
>He never asks questions about anything at all, family or Gyatso
Why would he? He's not just an Air Nomad, he's an Airbending Master, he'd obviously know about his own culture if they were willing to give him the honor of being a master by the age of twelve.
Not only that, but he does go over his own personal history and how he feels about the Air Nomads being extinct a few times, it's just not that relevant when the nation responsible for the extermination of his race is not only still at large, but threatening genocide on the rest of the nations as well.
Why do you think he was so motivated to stop Ozai once Zuko explained Ozai's plan to everyone?
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>>121089615
It’s mainly Tumblr. Though quite a portion of Twitter.
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>>121090302
Bald ass bitch
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>>121099713
Got to slay mad Eskimo pussy.
Stay mad.
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>>121099509
The difference with family guy especially later seasons Seth was originally snobby liberal douch so once he wasn’t “woke” anymore by their standards you can see him start to mock fucks like Michael Moore more then getting super narcissistic later. I really do think they high jacked that shoe from creator and Seth is literally trying to get cancel but they won’t let it. Teen Titan Go writers are likely corporate whores and brown noses
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>>121099758
Are they even hot?
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>>121099840
But the bit with Moore was right smack dab in the time he was making Brian be an obtuse cunt towards anybody that was even slightly religious. At least the one gag that I was talking about in particular was.
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>>121090228
the only good thing that ever came from SU is all the porn of lapis, garnet and peridot
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>>121099916
I mean actual ones
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>>121099875
Family Guy especially early on got un rightful shit on by a bunch of snobby liberals and Hollywood circles as “low brow” because he constantly made mockery over shit they thought should be “serious” or did not deserve mockery. He puts in fart jokes literally at most serious time to “break tension” like when Louis randomly rips a big loud one by accident while having arguing with Rush Limbaugh. The only reason I think South Park gets away with shit is because their “grandfather” in and the creators are Jewish which makes it harder to twist shit on them. Anyone else see how new episode might make reference to “Q” and “our voice be heard”. I wondering when they finally “cross line” and get real heat. I feel like they do so intentionally
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>>121098206
>>121098231
First of all work on your english.

Second, Aquinas and the New Dominican order were one of the most important groups to happen in western civilisation because they reinforced the seperation of Philsophy from religious dogma without forcing both of them to conflict by distinctly seperating the Laws of God, Man and Nature.

Voltaire's era and indeed much of the enlightenment were arguably more insular and backwards thinking than Aquinas because they outright ignored the teachings of their predecessors.

I am a passionate critic of the importance of Voltaire, because quite honestly, he wasn't doing anything special, provided no real unique insights and merely sits in the background as a somewhat witty generic enlightenment toff who only got importance because France was fucking shit.
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Nah. Aang wasn’t as annoying as Steven.
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>>121099989
That fart joke with Rush Limbaugh is unironically pretty funny.
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>>121099989
To be fair, a lot of early Family Guy was pretty unoriginal, with many episodes just doing plots that had been done many times before in other shows. But yea, there was plenty of good moments that got overlooked, even if not everything was completely new and fresh. Either way, FG at least knows how to pace its fart jokes for the most part, meanwhile, that bit in TTG just comes off as somebody's fetish put into animated form. That, and whatever the fuck is going on in that Total Drama spinoff where they're clearly aping the Muppet Babies.
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>>121098181
That's because one was written trying to divorce as much relativism as possible to get to the bearest nub of meaning.

The other is a german socialite failing to understand how supply and demand works.
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>>121100011
I got thick fingers and typing on my phone so my bad on English. Also I’m on random board not class or grammar. Let’s compare Greco-Romans successes and failures before Christianity and west since renaissance I find it hard not to say much or area between that is shit stain or Western history and our equivalent to warring states period. China doesn’t brag about that period or one of humiliation. I’ll give credit to Aquinas and Dominicans for dividing dogma from religion but you should know the pagans in Greco-Roman society already did that before Christianity took over society. The Greco Romans did not trust the over superstitious and dogmatic. At worse they had the “jock” mentality of “fate” and will in life. That physical world is an imperfect example of the “ideal” world(in afterlife or our heads). Plato logic can go in circles but not conflict with natural world or science. They just understood it was over plebs heads so better not having them question long standing traditions, laws, and ceremonies. They were militaristic and cut throat at times but not religious fanatics or zealous at all. The Romans should have did better job wiping Jews and their land off face of this planet. Even if Rome still fell to Germanic people if they stayed pagan they would have assimilated and reformed Rome like many barbarians did with China instead of fuckery Constantine and later Charlemagne and church created
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>>121098963
the writing for the episode was good though what are you on
>>121098867
what a shit take, Steven making one of his fingers a cat and immediately putting it away when it meowed is not the same as allowing his body to be engulfed the fact it never happens again should tell you he DID learn his lesson. the episode was fun, the gems coddle Steven that wasn't suppose to be some lesson. absolute ingrate looking for an example of a bad episode he chooses CAT FINGERS of all episodes
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>>121100282
I honestly wish he did more shapeshifting in combat.
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>>121100288
more shapeshifting in general would be appreciated, they should have made it a more staple part of at least Amethyst's fighting style like a mini version of Beast Boy
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>>121100282
He still didn't learn to master shapeshifting.
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>>121100241
The Greco-Romans did not divide Philosphy and Religious Dogma at all, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

The Classics literally cannot divorce Human, Divine and Natural law, that is one of the big hurdles they couldn't breach.
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>>121100385
he's pretty good at it he just doesn't do full body transformations which would probably be too taxing for him
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>>121089495
Why are people even responding to this?
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>>121100282
>the gems coddle
usually how all the episode ends.
They coddle him, no matter the irresponsible shit he does.
If it wasn't a lesson, it sure as hell should have been one
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>>121100464
it's /co/ favourite shows ATLA and SU
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>>121100464
Because it helps to give a well constructed answer rather than "he's wrong, deal with it", even if that would suffice for such a poorly constructed argument.
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>>121100464
Twitter
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>>121100488
it's Steven getting the lesson not the gems, yes episodes like Serious Steven were important for Steven's development the episodes usually have Steven be punished heavily for goofing around and then he tries to fix the problems he makes. when does Steven ever goof around / mess up on missions again after S1? the last time was like Marble Madness when he got too excited with Peridot and then reality hit him in the face with The Return like a soggy fish
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>>121100387
If “physical world” is reflection of “divine world” then de facto it is. That’s why they did not kill all Jews even if they did not agree with their shit one bit. They respected “old” and long standing traditions. They had a concept of “self made destiny”(being confident and individualistic) and concept of “will” makes shit happen. For example you had to earn honor and respect of “Demi god” or cult of personality status based off populism and military successes/support often times along with elected and appointed officials as allies. Your not just “divine” rule bullshit like sand monkeys or medieval era. You had to “prove” the “gods favored” you. A “weak” or struggling empire is seen as “losing its mandate” especially by dumb emotional illiterate masses. What a dipshit labor or slave think or believe is irrelevant here because Greco Roman leaders openly bullshit them a lot and openly. Imagine how fucking emotional, impulsive, and dumb majority of masses were before mass literacy was doable. We still have people believe crazy and dumb shit while not even being religion. The Abrahamic religions play on that bit of human ignorance and fuels it
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>>121100431
Well I wanted lion fists and Kipo came too late
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>>121090009
>Everything is propaganda
You will never be a woman.
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>>121100583
S2 is not that rife with these problems because the focus shifts moderately away from Steven, and towards the other gems. Not because any "development" on Steven's part.
All of my gripes here is about the resolutions of each episode, and how it fails to effectively address and resolve the core reason behind the conflict of the episode.
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>>121100387
Romans had civil wars, assassination, coups, and rapid populism due to shit like concept of amor fati. They love “fate/will” which often to them equal force and merit ability. Not just given but made. That’s why they say shit sarcastically like “let gods will it”(allow them to succeed. Outside of that and ceremonial shit they are not overbearing on society like the church).
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I liked the idea Steven's pacifism more than I liked Aang's. Aang fought all the time, he just got really bothered by the thought of killing someone and got an asspull so he could beat the shit out of someone and leave them crippled but not actually kill them.
Steven actually committed to refusing to fight. Even when he gets into a big anime battle with spinel at the end of the show, he's explicitly only defending himself and never actually tries to hit her.
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Did anyone expect Plato entering this thread?
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>>121100722
Aang is basically Buddhist monk. They literally have same concept of self defense but don’t strike first. They also protected traders, villages, and small groups in travels I believe in past especially for side cash. A trained Buddhist monk has plenty of practice with sword and can likely kill some bandits and even soldiers.
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>>121100722
Aang's dilemma wasn't all bad, it just got too easily magicked away. There was plenty to understand with him being put off by the idea of killing Ozai, from it being against his people's teachings, to the fact that he was still a kid and had never had to kill before.
Shame they couldn't have at least thought of some better way to introduce the spiritbending, and of course maybe have Aang come up with a desperate solution when he was still facing the possibility of killing Ozai. Like maybe he decides he'll kill himself afterwards to atone for breaking his people's law. Something like that would have interesting as he didn't really have many options until the deus ex showed up.
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>>121100788
Aang's whole shtick is that he refuses to kill period, though. The line is "killing is wrong, no matter the circumstances," not "killing is wrong, unless someone is about to stab you with a knife." Aang believed there was no justification for killing period.
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>>121100768
Nah, but I do wish I had a tub of Playdoh right now.
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I don't like bald or fat shotas but I don't hate either
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>>121100804
>>121100788
>>121100722
Neither are truly pacifists. They practice pacificism. A pacifist will find violence always unjustiable while a pacificist will find violence acceptable as long as it will lead to peace
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>>121100804
He held life in and of itself as inherently sacred and him deliberately acting to take a life, no matter how wretched, would have been a violation of both his principles and his religion that he couldn't justify to himself and the air nomads who taught him.
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>>121100694
that isn't true though, the show actually does focus on Steven feeling like shit for not being good enough. we see how hard Steven takes it when he realizes just how shit he is in Serious Steven and The Test was pretty much all about Steven looking back at Cheeseburger Backpack episode and saying wow I suck. this shows the episodes are self aware about this. I think the culmination of this mini character arc about Steven becoming a competent Crystal Gem member was in The Return when he ignored the gems about retreating and blocked the ship blast. in fact the early S2 episode with Steven driving around with the Cool Kids directly addresses this too with Steven trying to act serious and responsible when they found Peridot's pod. in every serious situation past S1 Steven acts a lot more mindful saying "oh the show just doesn't focus on that anymore" is so stupid you say this like there are no serious moments after S1

the truth is though this isn't really healthy for Steven he's a kid acting goofy should be expected, this "I'm not good enough" is the start of his self loathing arc which doesn't get resolved for a very long time
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I've got bad news, everyone. I'm Steven
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>>121100857
This is why I prefer Western philosophy and religion before Christianity instead of majority of faiths and philosophy from each. The pacifist shit is just un doable in real life. That’s why once Christianity got “Romanize” bit they down play pacifist shit somewhat and openly said certain stuff was un doable. At least with Aang those you see how it clearly cause issues and conflicts for characters
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>>121100859
>looking back at Cheeseburger Backpack episode
and that really just amounts to fuck all doesn't it.
An ideal writing crew would have him feel shit from the get go and try to fix his problem and learn that lesson in that very episode instead of pushing it back to another fucking season to address it.
He does fuck all to make up for it, he just feels shitty about it a season later.
He remains acting like an irresponsible child for the entirety of the first season.
Even the episode you're mentioning doesn't resolve anything.
He realizes the gems are coddling him: the end. That's the fucking end of the episode.
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>>121100814
Is it true rewetting dried play doh will fix it
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>>121101004
Because the episode ended at that point. It was an episode about failing and being okay with it
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>>121100952
To be fair, he was directly told by an Airbender Avatar that he should give up his pacifist principles for the greater good of the entire world. Frankly it just comes down to Toph being right about him not having the stomach for violence. Though I think any 13 year old in that situation would have some kind of mental block about being asked by everyone around them to take a life, even without the psuedo-buddhist philosophy to justify that position.
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>>121101004
So Steven is basically a real life modern woman all but in appearance and name? I can easily see how bitch wrote this without even watching most of it
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>>121101037
Far as I understand, that was a legit fix. Few drops, and any dried shit was good as new.
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>>121093952
I always had some extra respect for Ben since he is willing to ice a motherfucker if they go too far.
He's killed Vilgax like what 5 times now?
He was also going to execute Ultimate Kevin until Gwen stopped him.
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>>121101051
>It was an episode about failing and being okay with it
If this is talking about episode 3, than that's the problem.
The writer's seem to miss constantly what the core isssue is.
Episode 3 happened directly because of Steven's irresponsibility to pack stuff he needed, but the episode ends with him "failing and being okay with it?"
If anything it should have been a lesson about responsibility. How Steven should manage his things better instead of packing random shit he thinks its cool.
But no, the episode ends with them chanting "Cheeseburger backpack," the very symbol of what caused him to fail in the first place.
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>>121101077
True, Toph is base those. Aang represents the “sheltered” kid and inclusive background more from a positive angle. He does not hate it and often enjoy his lifestyle. Toph is opposite end of that basically rejects restrictive and even more sheltered/pampered life but she is “outliner” among many of her “peers”. Aang probably a lot less so. Aang I feel is generic so you focus more on characters and story around him like your there
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Aang actually gave a shit about his role of creating stability. He made sure the Fire Nation wouldn't be worked over and helped smooth over colonization issues. It was obviously a lot of hard work that retards here even give him shit for because he didn't sit back and let everyone rape the Fire Nation harder than Germany after WW1.

Steven just went "lmao no rules anarchy time" - a decision that directly resulted in the annihilation of several planets, including garden worlds, by demented Gems who do it for fun. Then he cries about having nothing to do with his life after fostering the perfect environment for endless interstellar Gem wars.
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>>121101004
>An ideal writing crew would have him feel shit from the get go and try to fix his problem and learn that lesson in that very episode instead of pushing it back to another fucking season to address it.
that DOES happen though every time Steven messes up he tries to fix it, and that does include Cheeseburger Backpack which was Steven's literal first mission. forgetting the sea spire relic was a massive blunder but he's a kid on his first mission the gems shouldn't be leaving it up to him though that was the point it was a test. The Test was in the same season and directly addresses Steven feeling bad about not living up to the gem's expectations. Serious Steven was pretty much all about this too with him acting too energetic and getting them all into trouble so he solves the problem himself. the show is hyper aware of this it's a literal plot point about Steven becoming a Crystal Gem in S1 and ***it's obvious*** immediately into S2 Joy Ride brings it up again

>He realizes the gems are coddling him: the end. That's the fucking end of the episode.
it ends with him swallowing his disappointment with the gems and pretending to be happy for their sake, which is a very important moment for Steven's character. i'm not surprised it went over your head though The Test is one of the best SU episodes if not the best

>>121101087
maybe that would be true if Steven didn't solve 99% of the problems that happen in the show
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>>121101209
So Aang took more Wilson route while everyone else wanted to do UK and France did in real life after war which many knew would lead to next. So Aang saw and stop a future issue from popping up right away. So instead of geopolitics like interwar years you end up with “concert of Europe” and steady peace somewhat?
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>>121093952
>>121101125
Highbreed are literally the Diamonds except they still stayed in power
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Id only say yes because both of their arcs boil down to them pussing out of their destinies and refusing to kill the antagonist
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>>121101315
Was kind of funny how little opposition there was to being genetically modified, but I can guess many were like "beats dying"
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>>121093972
Steven has a yellow star and Aang has yellow robes so they beat Hal too
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>>121101264
Yeah pretty much. He directly intervened when it looked like another war would start over Fire Nation colonies that wanted to remain in the Fire Nation. He basically just came up with a solution that made no one happy, but not so unhappy that they wanted to kill each other again.
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>>121101251
>that DOES happen though every time Steven messes up he tries to fix it
This happens in nonsensical ways that completely ignores why that problem happened in the first place.
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>>121098346
which basically just has Steven solve the problem the exact same way it was caused. Completely undermining his first blunder of not paying attention to Pearl's warnings.
In the end, what I'm saying isn't about Steven as a character. I'm criticizing the structure/resolution of each episodes and how it fails to give a satisfying resolution because it ignores why that problem happened in the first place.
>spire fell because of Steven's irresponsibility to pack things
ignored
>Suit came to life because Steven ignored Pearl
ignored
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>>121089495
I don’t hate them, I actually really liked Steven as a character
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>>121089615
>I thought SU was popular with women.

It is, you just refuse to acknowledge women do

This >>121090111
lurks on this forum
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>>121101351
Steven never stood a chance at stopping the Diamonds with violence, on ther other hand Aang could've killed Ozai 5 minutes into their fight. Steven never gets challenged like Aang though a villain like Ozai would be Steven's worse fears. Steven's most challenging moment in all of SU was probably his encounter with Bismuth just because he was alone for once and could only get out of it by taking her out.
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>>121090123
>Yeah, kill the leader of a country, that won’t backfire at all or have any retribution

In Steven universe killing the ruler of the country unloaded a shitstrom and it enabled some gems to go hunt for Steven’s head
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>>121101479
And the giant zombie monster that was gonna gonna destroy earth just being born
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>>121090228
>SU will go into history as the best cartoon of the decade

I like the show alright, (I even like it better than avatar) but common now “best cartoon of the decade, really?

Trolls are so obvious it’s not even funny
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>>121090317
>But Gravity Falls and Adventure Time came out in the same decade

Adventure time wasn’t even interesting on their last seasons, Gravity falls is overrated
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>>121101535
Is there a cartoon protagonist more humiliated than Finn?
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>>121090356
>easy
>i love aang
>and i hate steven universe guy
>i won the game

Steven > Aang
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>>121090123
It kind of wouldn't in ATLA's case, since they had a direct and obvious line of succession to abuse. Plus Ozai had like an hour ago abdicated his position as Firelord to an insane teenager.
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>>121090414
>So is the oud house and it not only did better then Steven universe but it's simpler and has more potential for "life lessons and moral statements" then this show.

Owl house it’s just slice of life meets Harry Potter + lesbians, it’s a very okeish show and the only reason it baca me popular it’s because of shipping fuel, at least Steven had a lip of potential with it’s world building and their relationships were more complicated than middle-graded crush
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>>121101554
Well technically he just invented a higher position and promoted himself to it
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>>121100722

The issue is one cartoon gives the protagonist literally more than just the one asspull to resolve people trying to attack him. Aang didn't have the benefit of resurrection tears and a laundry list of defense abilities that let him refuse to fight like Steven can.
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>>121089495
What if I enjoy the adventures of one and have never seen the other? Does that make me a bad boyfriend?
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>>121090710
>. But Steven’s shit is more comparable to going up against like Raava’s dad. Like one is Jesus vs Hitler and another is Jesus vs God Hitler

The diamonds are more similar to a Roman Empire and more akin to Greek gods, Steven is also like a demigod who needs to get the jerkass god’s help

I am very tired of the Nazi comparison, be more creative and original with your takes
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>>121101631
Are you dating OP or something?
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>the way even Azula just kind of goes "Dad, what the fuck are you doing?" as she watches him prattle on about being the Phoenix King.
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>>121091966
>That rock on Aang’s back was BS.

That and the turtle were such an asspulls bur everyone conventionally leave that out of discussions
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>>121101433
yeah I can't believe Steven didn't learn the responsibility of... packing correctly... in the climax of Cheeseburger Backpack. huh. the overall arc was about Steven learning to be more responsible which absolutely does happen. Frybo is another good episode Steven used his head to defeat the problem he created, remember the fry suit was loyal to Steven for most of the day so creating more to fight it was a smart move and makes sense narratively, I don't think a single normal person watching that episode would look at it the way you did did you just want Pearl to play a bigger role in the resolution she was barely in the episode at all
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>>121101646
Well if he conquers all the nations then he can’t just be the Fire Lord. He needs a new title
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A prestige Empire-level title that Zuko destroyed upon succession due to it having no de-Jure territory while giving a massive opinion malus to all independent rulers.
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>>121091950
>Steven didn't have to work hard to "defeat" White because White already loved him/he

Steven defeated white by proving her fragile worldview and concept about herself were wrong, i think the art book and even in the show she says she viewed all of gemkind as an extension of herself, Steven proved he was her own person and suddenly the pedestal White was metaphorically and physically standing on broke, that’s how she got defeated, the show actually has a theme of the dangers of putting and holding people on pedestals
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>>121101686
Hah. Nice edit
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>>121101725
Rose has such a big ego
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>>121091950
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Just look at the imaginary
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>>121089571
>ree how come avatar is a universally loved classic and Steven universe is a joke to everyone outside discord
Now this is coping. Read and cry, Avatarfag.
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>>121101686
Hal can't even open a door and you're telling me he is suppose to be a powerful character
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>>121101770
>uses porn to claim his show is better
No, THAT'S cope.
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>>121101707

Yeah but not by actually arguing ethics or philosophy or anything or the sort himself but just having his gem walk about and ignore a blast and a 'no you'.
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>>121101743
>Rose has such a big ego

You think?

I think part of the reason she wanted to become Rose was for her to “escape” her responsibilities and to stop people from placing her on a pedestal as a diamond , and yet that’s exactly what ended up happening again when she became Rose, she could never escape herself even as another person on another world, it’s sad if you ask me

(I think it was confirmed she didn’t liked herself to begin with)
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>>121101781
He faked not opening the door. Really, he did not want to be a stepdad. It’s what animals do actually
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>>121101784
i think desperately hoping SU isn't popular is a pretty big cope too
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>>121101816
>thinking porn = popular
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>>121101770
How does SU have more porn anyway? Avatar had been on way before SU.
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>>121101770
Where is that from? I got the feeling it’s either 4 Chan or R34

Unpopular opinion but avatar is overrated and Steven is overhated, you keep doing this threads which attracts trolls and people who genuinely defend the show and it’s a never ending cycle, you claim to hate She ra and Su but you can’t shut up about it, which makes this kind of threads get over 500 replies.

I really don’t understand you
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>>121097541
>Aang isn't a faggot
Him being so friendly with Zuko says otherwise. 2 men can't be that friendly together.
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>>121101859
>he doesn't have friends
Lmao
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>>121101844
popularity=popularity, SU online presence is really annoying especially when it was airing
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>>121101853
She-Ra is okay outside gay stuff
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I found this on his twitter replies, thread, whatever (I don't do twitter)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1364253481889005570

>cartoon black girl practising Kung Fu
I'm hyped
>electricity powers
every. fucking. time
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>>121099205
>you might as well have him fall in a ocean beforehand or some shit.
It needed to be water from is dad
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>>121099425
One of Aang's main personality traits is that he avoids conflict until he's cornered and forced to face things head-on. He runs away at every chance, his first instinct is trying to escape from every fight, and even after book 3 he keeps trying to postpone the inevitable. That's what his culture taught him, and that's who he is. This also applies to the way he thinks. He avoids asking personal questions. He avoids thinking about his past. On the guru meditation-thing he even admitted that thinking back was painful to him. Of course he shows no interest. He goes back home after years away? Everyone is dead. He Visits a temple from his youth? Hobos are breaking apart the place. He visits a place to learn about the past? The last connection to his home and his oldest friend gets captured and possibly killed. Goes to visit a past life? Every single time he's almost killed right away because some dumb mistake a past avatars did, which by the way, should not be his responsibility in the first place! And he still tries to help everybody he meets with a smile! Give the poor TWELVE YEAR OLD BOY a fucking a break! By the end he not just becomes less of a scaredy cat that runs away, he fight off all his fears and insecurities from the past seasons and manages to build his own strength to give a decent fight to one of the strongest firebenders in the world who is being powered-up tenfold by a magic space rock, but he also stops a very pissed off avatar spirit and shuts down all and every other past avatar at the same time because HE wanted to save the world HIS WAY. Forget Zuko's dad, THAT was the moment aang showed his growth. He had the power. He had the training. Nobody would have blamed him and many would claim him a hero. But he willingly chose to try a harder way. A better way. To respect his culture, his beliefs and the memories of all the people he lost. He CHOSE to not become the same thing that killed his people because they were seen as a threat.
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>>121101859
You must have run screaming any time your friends got chummy and screeched "I"m not a faggot" all the time
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>>121101845
>How does SU have more porn anyway? Avatar had been on way before SU.

(Yeah, I got the feeling that was porn)

Steven has tons of female characters and just one or two guys, which includes the main protagonist has 2 forms, one hunk and a chad and another one which is soft which, I don’t know why but it seem to be appealing to people so it’s full of p*rn.

Why? I dunno, you are asking me to explain the internet and that is beyond my knowledge
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>>121101879
Except no.
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>>121101853
>Where is that from? I got the feeling it’s either 4 Chan or R34
Rule34 Paheal
>Unpopular opinion but avatar is overrated and Steven is overhated, you keep doing this threads which attracts trolls and people who genuinely defend the show and it’s a never ending cycle, you claim to hate She ra and Su but you can’t shut up about it, which makes this kind of threads get over 500 replies.
>I really don’t understand you
I didn't make this thread but everyone wants a fight and so I fight
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Aang's supporting cast are all engaging, well-rounded characters with their own story arcs and who can be badass in fights

SU's supporting cast can't accomplish shit without Steven plot-armouring to the rescue and only exist to hang off his dick.
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>>121101869
>>121101900
I'm not saying that having friends is gay, but the way Aang and Zuko are friends is essentially gay.
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>>121089549
Aang isn't a pacifist though. You can't be a pacifist and then magic kung fu your way out of problems.
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>>121101944
Pearl and Amethyst have pretty good development
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>>121101951
No, not really
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>>121101961
see
>>121101962
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>>121101676
If that's your interpretation of what I meant, that "Pearl needs to play a bigger role" or whatever, then I'm not going to waste more time.
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>>121101770
Fusion is sex-coded
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>>121101973
That doesn't prove Aang and Zuko were gay.
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>>121101944
I think SU has a strong cast of characters with weird distinct character designs, color schemes, voices, musical themes, backstories, personality. But they absolutely are too incompetent looking at Spinel clown on them like they were nothing was so stupid
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>>121101902
>Look it up
How does Steven have 3 times the amount of porn Aang does? Aang is at least human looking
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>>121101891
>She-Ra is okay outside gay stuff

She ra is the mostly safe and cliche marvelish narrative with gays, id it wasn’t because of Catradora the show would have been forgotten because it literally has nothing else going for it.

Steven had (even is some consider it had ) a world building, characters who had more than one dynamic and relationships with the other characters some of the characters were very controversial and polarizing (Pearl, Rose, Steven) which made discussion interesting, it had catchy music and pretty backgrounds and the fandom has tons of r34


What did she ra had? A marvel-ish, super hero story, Adora which can’r even be qualified as a character and it’s just used to be shipped with Catra, Catra stans, Catradora fanart and Why is Catradora shit threads?

The show is basically the Catradora show, and the only reason it’s discussed it’s because people want to shit on Catradora


a war as a important point
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>>121089495
I like Aang because Aang isn't a faggot.
I hate Steven because Steven is a faggot.
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>>121101976
well yeah what role did you want her to play in the resolution, did you want Steven to defeat the problem by listening to Pearl so the problem is solved by how it was created. No normal person watching the episode thinks that Steven using the shards to defeat the shard was how it should have went. You're pivoting away from "Steven should solve his problems" because you realize that's literally exactly what he does. The show is very self-aware of Steven's role in these episodes and have made whole episodes in response to them.
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>>121102048
>Steven have 3 times the amount of porn Aang does? Aang is at least human looking

Steven has 3 turns the amount of porn?

What? Why? How?
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>>121102048
the amount of people who want to fuck fat people is higher than the people who want to fuck bald twinks
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>>121101977
>Fusion is sex-coded

Some of them are, others aren’t.

It depends on the Characters, Pearl and garnet fusion seemed more intimate while, Amethyst and Steven were just a hug and sister like relationships, Connie and Steven has romantic undertones (a dance) but it didn’t carry (or at least to me) sexual undertones to it.

I guess it depends on the characters
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>>121102143
>it's not all sex coded, only some are intimate love-making, some are furious hatefucking, and others are just casual incest
A naked beach can not simultaneously be a naked beach for some, and a regular beach for others.
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>>121102067
Suit comes to life because Steven uses the shard despite the warnings.
that is the problem: Steven literally wasn't paying attention to the warnings and that makes him use the shard on the suit.
But the solution to the problem is not only using more shards, which by logic, would create more fucking problems because it created monsters in the first place.
The fact that Steven caused this because of his carelessness is completely ignored.
why the fuck are you talking about Pearl, when my point is that Steven's mistake of ignoring warnings is completely ignored in the episode.
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>>121102199
You can wear clothes to a nude beach
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>>121102169
Credence for the theory that Steven is the only interesting character in SU, whereas Avatar has a vast cast of interesting characters.
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>>121102212
And yet it is still a nude beach.
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>>121102017
>I think SU has a strong cast of characters with weird distinct character designs, color schemes, voices, musical themes, backstories, personality. But they absolutely are too incompetent looking at Spinel clown on them like they were nothing was so stupid

You lost me at the half of you sentences.

I agree with Steven having distinctive characters with personalities, motivations and designs, but what are you saying about spinel?

Dunno if this has been said before but Spinel is the Catra of the show, I am very thankful they didn’t give her that much focus outside of the movie
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>>121089495
I dislike both Aang and Steven. I enjoy other aspects of their shows, however.
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>>121102214
Lapis has more than Toph. What does that mean?
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>>121102098
Because SU is for developmentally stunted sex addicted lgbt freaks
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I decide which one I hate, not you, faggot. If I say I like Aang and not Steven, you cannot tell me otherwise.
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>>121101951
Aangzula is better
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>>121102169
>There is porn of Zuko getting cucked by Watermelon Stevens
Why God?
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>>121102169
>>121101770
>using paheal and not 34.xxx
NGMI
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>>121102201
I knew you were going to say that which is why they said before
>>121101676
>remember the fry suit was loyal to Steven for most of the day so creating more to fight it was a smart move
Frybo only turned problematic after it had been up for a long time, Pearl talked about using the shards as infantry this is what Steven did. You offer no satisfying way to end the episode. Steven doesn't make the same mistake again after the episode Steven being irresponsible was a reoccurring theme in S1 because he was a noob.
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>>121102402
>the episode Steven being irresponsible was a reoccurring theme in S1
that's not a theme. That's just him failing to learn each episode is supposed to teach him over and over again.
He isn't even explicitly challenged or scolded for his action. He doesn't even reflect on how ignoring those warning was a bad move.
He wasn't "responsible" with the shards, and he remains irresponsible for the rest of the season.
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>>121089495
Every SUfag deserves a bullet in the brain.
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>>121102214
>Credence for the theory that Steven is the only interesting character in SU, whereas Avatar has a vast cast of interesting characters.

I’ll have to disagree

I think one of the strongest suits of Steven universe is that all of the characters are interesting and distinctive, ask any person which is their favorite character and the answered will always vary a lot , some would say Peridot others Garnet or Pearl or lapis or Jasper or Spinel or Steven or Rose or Amethyst, there may be some who even like the diamonds etc.

All the characters of Su were interesting had their fair good amount of development, is common for shows to have “that one” character which are the author’s darling and the one who receives all the flaws and development through the shoe, you could say in avatar is Zuko, (he is The fan favorite afterall) in She ra it’s Catra (seriously with she ra she is the only character who mattered for the narrative) in the owl house is Amity or Eda but all the other characters are plain, “nice” (like Bow or Luz) and simple and even boring.

In Steven all the characters messed up and had flaws and were polarizing and there isn’t “that character” within the narrative, almost all of it’s characters are “that character” and were allowed to mess up , have flaws, have an interesting story and development
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>>121102503
Well put simply there is a reason why only you are complaining about that, it's because everyone else who watched the season could tell what they were doing. Steven does steadily get better and better over the season, with some rare backsteps here and there, culminating in The Return and his declaration
>I am a Crystal Gem too!
Steven was a very convincing child character and S1 was his best season, after they start ironing out character flaws the character inevitably becomes a lot more boring.

>He doesn't even reflect on how ignoring those warning was a bad move.
Maybe that episode doesn't have a "I'm sorry for not listening to you, Pearl" line but it doesn't need it as much as you think it did
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>>121102295
>I dislike both Aang and Steven. I enjoy other aspects of their shows, however.

That’s fair
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>>121102323
>Because SU is for developmentally stunted sex addicted lgbt freaks

I am asexual and I am genuinely curious of why and how that shows awakened so much r34, is doesn’t seem possible but yet here we are talking about it, it’s scary
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>>121102658
>I am asexual
Stop eating fast food, work out, and take zinc supplements.
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>>121102503
>that's not a theme. That's just him failing to learn each episode is supposed to teach him over and over again.
>He isn't even explicitly challenged or scolded for his action. He doesn't even reflect on how ignoring those warning was a bad move.
>He wasn't "responsible" with the shards, and he remains irresponsible for the rest of the season.

There was clear development for his character, I think one of the most important episodes for his development were “the test”

In “the test” he was desperate to prove he could be a crystal gem, even though he still couldn’t control his powers only to accidentally realize how the other gems were as Lost and confused as he was, that’s the moment he “shelved his agency” and the moment he began repressing everything and putting others before him, all of this comes back to bite his ass on Future and it’s one of the factores which contributed to his corruption in the last season.

There was clear development.
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>>121102622
I'll guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I don't think Steven's flaws was sufficiently acknowledged or confronted in the first season.
I think a simple line included like:
>"I'm sorry for not listening to you, Pearl"
would have massively improved the episode, because it at least an acknowledgement of the mistake that caused the whole raffle in the first place.
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>>121102622
>Steven was a very convincing child character and S1 was his best season, after they start ironing out character flaws the character inevitably becomes a lot more boring

Ageee and disagree.

Steven was a very convincing child character, but after a time he became “boring” to me because he seemed brodline Garty-sue, until future revealed he was as messed up as everyone else, that was the moment where I started liking his character again
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>>121102819
>I'll guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
>I don't think Steven's flaws was sufficiently acknowledged or confronted in the first season.
>I think a simple line included like:
>>"I'm sorry for not listening to you, Pearl"

I actually agree with you, I did liked Steven as a kid, he was a convincing kid character to me but after a time he became boring to me (similar to aang) until everything came crashing down on the last season and I found him interesting once again.

This may be just me but I am very knee on the whole “ seemingly more innocent/pure characters being revealed to be as messy and flawed if not more then the rest of the characters”

Usually on a show the main character will never be the “most interesting” character because they are never allowed to screw up or have flaws and personally Steven as a character was a breath of fresh air (or maybe it‘a just me, like I said I really like that type of character)
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>>121102695
>Stop eating fast food, work out, and take zinc supplements.

I am sorry, but I already do that
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>>121101794
>Yeah but not by actually arguing ethics or philosophy or anything or the sort himself but just having his gem walk about and ignore a blast and a 'no you'.

Aren’t actions stronger than words?

Ethic and philosophy or the lack of are reflected on our actions
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>>121102859
>until future revealed he was as messed up as everyone else, that was the moment where I started liking his character again
Liking Steven in Future is such a bandwagon move and it really made me realize how people just really prefer an angsty character
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>>121089495
That bait for gay retards will get 500 replies and a whole bunch of onanism will occur in such gay retard thread?
Well, EVIDENTLY.
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>>121103088
>onanism
Ain't that some fancy Japanese word for a fetish?
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>>121089495
No, whoever made this is a retard
I hate derailed Steven in Future, not the original or Aang
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>>121103143
Fruitless self-indulgence, usually interpreted as masturbation.
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>>121103072
>Liking Steven in Future is such a bandwagon move and it really made me realize how people just really prefer an angsty character

I actually like go-lucky, nice, dumb and heartwarming characters

Never been a fan of the angsty character, even in avatar Iroh was my favorite and not Zuko, I am not too sure why I began starting liking Steven better after Future, I just did.
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>>121089732
>Steven would bend over backwards and cry because Ozai didn't give a shit about the opinions of a gem bender.

Steven could kill Oazi like he did with Jasper
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>>121089943
>Just pretend he’s Jasper. They both have long hair.

This
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>>121103334
Pfft, sure
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>>121103441
>>121103334
What if they kissed?
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>>121089495

>One de-powers and locks up it's antagonist for their crimes against humanity.

>Other Forgives their Antagonists lets them go scot free after they commit genocide of hundreds of species across the known galaxy whipping of probably sentient species who never had a chance to develop, because they Diamonds mined their planets in to oblivion, practiced segregation of their own race and executed their own for race mixing, but it's OK they said they where sorry.

yup totally the same.
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This is like saying Goku and Zidane are 100% the exact same character. Yes, they have monkey tails and are sent to a world in order to destroy its people and gain a powered up form. But that's literally it. One is a fighting autist that is literally has a flat character arc, while the other is a loner thief who falls in love with a princess and defies his fate.
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>>121103499
Twitterfags are the new hippies, thinking "love is enough maaan".
They'll get broken on the wheel of time as have all other children, and not before time; need their experience to tell other delusional kids-who've-found-support-group what's up, and what's down.
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>>121103656
Who the fuck is Zidane?
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>>121103656
No, Zidane is the guy who smashes Italian greaseballs when they brazenly admit to having paid off the refs and fixed the competition, duh.
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The chad protag of FF9
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>>121103461
>What if they kissed?

Do you want more r34 of the show?
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>>121103961
Don’t see why not
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>>121103675
Algerian footballer known for being a great striker for several clubs and the French national team. Most notorious moment in his career was headbutting a fellow med in the chest after getting shittalked by him during the World Cup finals of 2006 between France and Italy.
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>>121089615
it is, though most people on this board have never spoken to a woman so they wouldn't know that
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>>121102533
SUfags don't have brains
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>>121104025
Oh. What does he have to do with Goku?
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>>121103499


>>One de-powers and locks up it's antagonist for their crimes against humanity.

>>Other Forgives their Antagonists lets them go scot free after they commit genocide of hundreds of species across the known galaxy whipping of probably sentient species who never had a chance to develop, because they Diamonds mined their planets in to oblivion, practiced segregation of their own race and executed their own for race mixing, but it's OK they said they where sorry.


>one just simply lock up the bad guy without thinking maybe this whole fascist problem doesn’t really on one single guy they can direct fingers at and blame for a whole society collective problem.

>The other one shows that it was the people within the system the one who began taking action to dismantle the toxic ideas and expectations that were harming everyone, it showed how even the leaders were getting harmed and once the thin facade of the perfect leaders was destroyed they decide to change their ways, dismantled the empire and actively work in order to repair the damage they did, all the power they had within the system were taken away from them and they were put to work to fix their mistakes while never being forgiven by the protagonist for what they did (they even showed how killing one of the beloved leaders escalated and worsen the situation)
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>>121104079
He manages him.
I mean, if could manage Ronaldo and a locker room of similar universe-sized, egos...
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>>121104169
No wonder Goku always beats Superman
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>>121104111
Are you being ironically retarde or unironically?
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>>121089495
Yeah I hate them both, fuck forgiveness and good endings
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>>121101632
True, Nazi antagonist is wore and lazy at this point.
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>>121101845
I think it's this >>121101902 and also the fact that SU characters are easier to draw.
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>>121104245
>True, Nazi antagonist is wore and lazy at this point

Second this
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>>121101770
You fuckers are faggot flooding those boards with that shit!? God damn it I know for fact more easily jack it to avatar then any thing in Steven Universe. Which is fuck both ways but if you are masturbating to Steven Universe you aren’t “norm” or fuck in head or just weird. Avatar at least looks anime like. Fags are only small percent of population but those faggots flood boards with their own damn porn. Doesn’t make it most popular. Just spamming and really perverted and demanding but small market niche
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>>121089495
One was a series that almost everyone liked, the other was a series only gays and trans liked.
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>>121089495
Fuck off back to Twitter
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>>121101879
Spammy fags aren’t they but definitely more “niche” base then a “popular” one
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>>121104432
>and demanding
Supply and demand Anon
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>>121104209
>retarde
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>>121101896
I don’t even agree with Aang philosophy personally but that was respectable and worthy of honor I felt
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>>121104111
Horrible grammar
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>>121102169
There is something wrong with this but I don’t know what
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>>121102695
Why zinc
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>>121102053
Simple man and direct but correct
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>>121104657
He wants to live in a world without it
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>>121102169
That just proves your more weird and masturbate all day. Nothing more. Avatar has some actual Flappable women. Steven Universe is weird as fuck to beat your meat too
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>>121089534
The joke is:
steven universe fans are mentally ill trannies.
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>>121103854
Imagine if this came out today
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>>121102585
The show's fanbase did more work to develop its characters than the show did, excluding Pearl most are one dimensional or underdeveloped and their flaws are not handled realistically, they aren't given much focus and important personal conflicts are left to be resolved offscreen because of the Steven only perspective rule. Sokka is a comic relief character and has more development than Amethyst or Garnet.
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>>121104755
Actually, looks like it’s weirder to jerk off to Aang than Steven, ya freak
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>>121102385
Anon, rule34.xxx is a booru, paheal is the real deal that has the real tons of images
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>>121104432
The difference is that Avatarfags are all pedos, SUfags are all mommyfags.
And I take the non pedos any day
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>>121104766
>The show's fanbase did more work to develop its characters than the show did
Only because the fandom tried to make Spinel the Sans punk of SU doesn't mean the fandom can make them good, I think the show does it as it's supposed to be.
Garnet and Amethyst development got full in SUF
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>>121098604
They're engaged, but in an open relationship until after college.
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>>121104111
So “re education” labor camps and idealistic utopian idea of society. That how never gone wrong in real right........
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>>121104549
True, but we rule 34 and bunch of other stuff need better filters
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>>121104782
I jack off to neither. Most people who likely beat there Dick to avatar are with female characters not so much male ones
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>>121104600
>Horrible grammar

Try to writing on a second or third language first before complaining about bad grammar
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>>121104887
Teens should be illegal and off limits but sex with 13 to 17 year old is a lot fucking different then 12 and under. The first should be dealt with by parents or personal ass beating by brother. The second are really pedos who deserve rope.
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>>121104920
>Only because the fandom tried to make Spinel the Sans punk of SU doesn't mean the fandom can make them good, I think the show does it as it's supposed to be.
>Garnet and Amethyst development got full in SUF

Yeah
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>>121105172
The female SU characters also have more too
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>>121104887
The difference between younger generation they got their first finger or Dick in girl around 13 to 16 unless a loser. Pussy not hard to get even when I was growing up 2000s or my brothers and friends in 90s. You do realize how many teens probably beat their dick regularly too? I don’t look at that shit and off put by it but I can easily see why many might beat it to imagine of teenage women. Many are fucking teens or lost their virginity around similar ages. To me a “true” pedo is Mohammed and touching 8 year old. While touching 16 year old at 25 or older makes you dirt ball piece of shit at worse but not a pedo
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>>121105230
Your Esl makes it easy to detect the samefagging
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>>121105311
You do realize libs, trannies, fags, and similar types are likely very disportional drawl that shit excessively. Tumblr full of fuckery. More normal people try to go out and get real pussy more often instead of being online and jacking off idea to fictional characters
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I love Avatar and have seen it five times. Dropped SU after ten episodes because it bored me.
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>>121105678
You made the right choice
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>>121089656
Last episodes of season 1 say hello. Avatar's "Final Form" destroyed an entire navy fleet of Fire Nation soldiers
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>>121105543
All evidence proves otherwise
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>>121106011
No it doesn’t. Media and academic institutions treating you like retard kids in class with pats on back and stickers(“new outlets”) is not facts. I see more people remember and discuss avatar or how show was cool when I go out to bar, club, house party, play sports at rec, or you know actually go out and socialize. Steven Universe not once. A lot of fags, tranny, and similar lib types are anti social awkward fucks that are “there” at best but nothing more and maybe ok when buzz(drunk or high) or they are unbearable to be around. This one of few platforms that won’t ban me for many of these comments. Steven Universe fan base are people who are online a lot and inclusive anti socials or women with mental issues(so many). The difference between avatar fan base as kids is when they pretended to be in show and pretend fight while Steven Universe fags post gay shit online and “dress up”.
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>>121106207
>Still mad people don’t find Avatar characters as sexually attractive as SU ones
Kek
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>>121106207
The SU discussions are more intense than "lmao gay do gay stuff" a lot of people predicted the Pink Diamond Rose twist and White Diamond even before the show proved it
>>121105678
Good, you should watc SUM and SUF only. SU is really not the best for everyone



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