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You have real talents and skills, right /co/?
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Nah all I do is try to come up with how I would have had a series be done, so not even an idea, the negative space of an idea
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>>120271631
I write sometimes
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>>120271631
I write anything from poems to prose to comics (which I draw as well), make music and make videos. Most professional comic writers meanwhile are overpaid idea guys.
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No, I do nothing but waste resources on my stupid, bullshit education.
Everyone would be better off with me dead but that's just me though.
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I can write, that's about it. I'd trade my millions of $ to be able to draw well (and quickly).
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>>120272198
f
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>>120271631
>Be me
>wannabe writer
>have one or two isolated cases where I actually sit the fuck down and write
>then I do nothing
>read the things I've written
>even my selfhating ass thinks it's kind of good
>still no motivation
I want to end myself sometimes.
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>>120272228
everyone point and laugh at the pathetic writefag
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>>120272251
There's like two more above him.
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>>120272251
pls don't...
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>>120272269
POV: You asked Emmy for your 10th footjob of the day
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>>120272249
Set yourself a daily target and stick to it. Even if it's just 500 words a day you'll be surprised how it racks up.
Trust me, you can do it.
>t. Anon with 3 novels on the market
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>>120272350
She's used to it.
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>>120272364
Good for you, Anon.
I'm glad someone is having some success.
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>>120272375
Hahaha she doesn't understand her emotionless face just makes it better
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>>120272249
>>120272364
>be me
>want to write
>write 140k word story
>people say it's great
>read it to 'edit it' before sending it in, another draft so to speak
>cringe at everything, think characters are hackneyed and devoid of anything interest
>cry
>delete it in a rage
>write porn for /tg/
>quit
>last writing I did was for my mate's tabletop game he's making
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>>120272396
She doesn't understand what she's suppose to do this way.
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>>120271631
I have a couple ideas. But at 30 I should really start doing the character design.
1. Urban fantasy
2. Sci-fi spaceship adventure
3. A coming of age story with a squirrel
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>>120272448
I'm nearing 31. I have no talents bar writing. I've wanted to do lots of shit but being able to draw is a better skill than being able to write. People will read a comic if you put cute girls in it and lewdness. They don't care about the story. They wanna see boob and vagene and benis.

I had an idea of doing a porn webcomic but each 'event' the community voted what happened next. I.e 'she is attacked by a tentacle monster' or 'she falls down into an ooze creature' or 'a vampire attacks her'. But then I found a person who did that... but had finished. So I thought I could manage to do it but keep it going.

Basically a community CYOA with porn.
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>>120272523
My urban fantasy, is something of a bucket list that I want to make into a book. If it does good I could do a sequel or pitch it as a show.

My other two are less guarded and don't mind talking about. So I'll probably post here. I'm not a great drawer but I think I tell good stories, at least that's what I believe.

I think the sci-fi could have some cheeky scenes in a pulp sort of way. The captain of the space ship is an ex pin up model. Also I had an idea of an intergalactic night club, with a parasite that shapes itself into women body parts
>Ex. You're dancing but it's too dark to see and you can barely make out some ass and an arm, eventually the legs disappear to the bar and you follow. Suddenly you being pulled into the wall and eaten.
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>>120272697
I wrote a plan for a book but my issue is I just hate starting and making sure I get stuff right. I was this dude >>120272408 so after the first major attempt I've lost desire. I'd love to be able ot draw instead.

When you see shit like pic related, you just cry.
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>>120271631
I'm a writer for comics and games with artists and programmers working alongside me and we all make good money.
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>>120272251
>>120272259
Oh no no no no how can they live with themselves?
They're just as bad as idea guys lmao
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>>120272770
Good on you lad. Can you give us an example of your werk?
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>>120272408
You know normal people, when they see holes in their writing, they EDIT the book. You know, go in and fix the stuff that you notice doesn't work. It's not supposed to be perfect on the first draft.
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>>120272836
It's porn and 4chan is one of the few places I've decided to not make myself known on anymore.
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>>120272845
I was an idiot and depressed. Which is why I mentioned it. Don't do what I did.
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>>120272879
A shame. Don't suppose you work with a guy called Isiac?
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>>120272903
Not that I know of.
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>>120272911
Okey doke. Ackure? I knew some guys in the business.
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>>120272754
Kiss my ass, this guy patreon can suck it. I know my stories won't be the greatest thing ever, but if some people like it that'll good enough for me.

Truth be told I'd like to write for edgey teens. Those who are a dipping their feet into the adult world but still enjoy childish things. I feel a lot of writers who write for teens make it to clean or just way too dark were it's straight for adults.
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>>120272805
true, they should all just kill themselves
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I write greentexts about cartoon girls having sex with each other on an anonymous imageboard
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>>120271631
Here's an idea: go fuck yourself.
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>>120273348
>t. buttblasted ideaguy or writefag
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>>120271631
No, I'm the opposite.
The ideas for my work come slowly and how to express them through writing is constantly changing.
It don't matter though because I barely work on it.
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>>120271631
>>120213102

I like to believe this anon is at least better than CN and Netflix writers... okay probably not better than Netflix writers nor 2010s comic book writers.
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>>120271631
I'm trying to learn how to program
I originally wanted to make video games and tell stories but after seeing the shitshow in the community I just want a nice job and a quiet life with the occasional vacation
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>>120273045
>>120272523
Drawfags are retards, do not be a drawfag who can't direct and storytell worth a shit. They can't communicate create atmosphere, they're literal cavemen with a brush in their hand.
Try having a relationship with a visual artist, they're genuinely handicapped.
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>>120273824
seethe more, nobody's gonna read your 200K word fanfic
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>>120271631
Nothing wrong with bring an idea guy. So long as you can back it up with actual work to develope that idea and create a success
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>>120273848
And no one is gonna look at your napkin doodles.
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>>120273868
>actual work
idea guys don't do that
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>>120273884
cope
napkin doodles of boobies will always be more popular
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>>120273893
Imagine being proud of appealing to the lowest common denominator
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>>120271631
You need to do much better to explain, in actual detail, who or what is an "idea guy" and what constitutes "real" "talents and skills".

Otherwise, this whole thread is pointless shitposting.
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>>120273922
where do you think we are
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>>120271631
Has there even been "idea guys" in cartoons who only does basic writing but has a lot of money?
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>>120273940
I'm sure there's on in every office but probably never attached their name to anything.
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>>120273968
Huh. Could've at least be credited as "producer" or something.
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>>120273922
Have you not checked out the various /co/ project threads? You'll find them in those, ordering writers and artists around and being assholes to people that don't do as they say. I've seen it plenty of times myself and those projects always die because of ideafags. Because they drive everyone away and it devolves into people posting the same images and coming up with ideas that will never be fully written or drawn.
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>>120273824
When will the writefag cope end, drawbros? Why can't they just admit their worthlessness and lack of talent? They'd be much happier that way

>>120273893
Based, writechuds are just jelly because drawchads get all the love
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>>120274032
If the past decade of animation has taught me anything, it’s that no one cares about poor art but will care about poor writing.
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>>120271631
>Complaining about "idea guys" in an era where every new piece of media is a sequel, rehash, remake or adaptation.
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>>120272198
Hey man that's not true. You have a lot to give to the world and you shouldn't do anything rash. Talk to someone, even if it's just me right here. If you feel your education is fruitless or will be take a year or semester off and just get a job or switch majors/focus.

My father attempted to take his life on my birthday and I'll never be the same I just thank his every day he's here even if it's still tough.
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>>120274025
>Have you not checked out the various /co/ project threads?
No, never. I personally stay the fuck away from that cancer.

>ordering writers and artists around and being assholes to people that don't do as they say. Because they drive everyone away
It's called "editing". It works in real life, but it's totally useless on a place like Four Chan. Writers and artists are the bigger fools for listening to those cretins instead of telling them to go fuck themselves.
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>>120272249
Go for walks, even if it's cold. And breathe deep and slow. Motivation will come with the right state of mind.

>>120272448
Urban fantasy should be a novel/prose, space shit makes backgrounds easy so make that the comic and the squirrel should be a picture book.
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>>120272523
That's a good idea but seems like a lot of effort for little fiscal return if you aren't on patreon.
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>>120274215
>It's called "editing". It works in real life
Editing is only good if the person doing the editing is competent. Ideafags are not that. They're the ones that "supervise" everyone and it works out as well as you'd see on sitcoms.
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>>120274206
Thank god*

What an odd autocorrect
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https://vocaroo.com/1nT48WWrM6XZ

I make music sometimes.
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>>120274260
Yeah, I think so too.
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There are Idea Guys who are people in projects who contribute nothing but ideas, and Idea Guys who are wannabe writers trying to make something. For the second group:

True Idea Guy: Has ideas but never does anything with them. "Wouldn't if be cool if..." "I would like to see...".

Idea Guy: Writes ideas and notes down about them regularly, but never does anything with what they've saved

"Writer" Guy: Has a collection of ideas, has plotted stories out, and has knowledge of their characters but has never written a draft of any kind.

Beginner Writer: Has the details of their story down and knows the story they want to tell, but struggles with execution or completing the first draft of their story.

Writer: Has completed a draft of their story, put the time in to refine the story after receiving feedback, and is able to finish the work to a satisfactory level and let people enjoy it as a completed work.

Looking at the groups, the first group is stuck at the pitching phase. This when a writer goes through some potential stories with their editor and they get feedback on what would be good to work on and what wouldn't. The second is stuck in the story planning phase. This is when you would talk with your editor to figure out the kind of story you want to tell and you draft out various potential paths for the story. The third is the taking the plunge phase, where deadlines and responsibility to a boss help you complete something that you can get feedback on and improve upon. The fourth is the most difficult- the drafting phase. This is where you can put so much effort into completing something until you realize its flawed by the end and you have to start all over. You have to survive the disappointment and time needed to make a draft you and your editor are satisfied with to get to the final phase, which is publishing the story.
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>>120274549
The drafting phase is where you will really grow as a writer. You will encounter the most failure here and the most situations to learn and improve from- both in terms of your technical abilities as a writer and in term of your time management, self-discipline, and physical self management. If you want to be a better writer, get to this phase ASAP. Focus on short stories or comics. Save your opus for later. This will shorten reaching the drafting phase a lot and speed up your growth as a writer. You will get feedback sooner and people are more willing to give you feedback if it takes less time to finish reading something.
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>>120273940
Justina Ireland? She's doing the High Republic with a collective of writers iirc. And to an extent Kathleen Kennedy
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I always assumed that I would just find someone to be the artist to my writing but I guess it would be a lot more impressive if I learned how to draw myself. Back to /ic/ I go again...
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>>120271631
I can't even come up with ideas actually.
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>>120274402
this is nice. it'd feel a lot better if it was just a little bit clearer, it sounds cluttered sometimes like there are just one or two too many ideas going on, especially at a point around 20 seconds in.
what programs do you use?
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>>120273940
I thought those were producers?
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>>120272249
it takes 21 days to make or break a habit. just write SOMETHING for that amount of time and worry about motivation after you have your writing habit set in stone
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>>120274878
0cc famitracker.
The muddiness probably stems from the fact that I don't know anything about mixing or mastering.
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>>120275249
I have vanilla FT. Do you like 0CC better because you can have more than one expansion chip at a time? I never understood why people preferred this over vanilla. You can still do a lot with base 2A03 compared to other modules like the VRC6, and when you feel confident as you finalize it, it arguably makes it more impressive
VRC6 - Official: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysCxbfg1VvY
2A03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChxLMJuB3gM
Is 0CC still being worked on?
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I was an idea guy in high school. Now I draw my own comics. I don't think I'm the best artist and I don't think I'm coming up with the best new ideas, but I am proud of what I have accomplished and the growth I've made. I've built up a community of friends and cartoonists over the years and value their friendship more than any job I've had. I'm even working on a new project just so I can have an excuse to bring them onboard and print their work.

We only have so much time on this Earth. I want to use that time to share my passion for what I do with as many people as I can
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>>120275372
Fuck it, I'm in a good mood tonight. I've posted a few of my comics here in the past. /co/ would you like to see my newest project?
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>>120275424
I'm listening
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>>120275232
>it takes 21 days to make or break a habit.
Will this work for porn and masturbation?
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>>120272198
You have yet to show us what you can do with the education you claim has been wasted on you. I will not believe for a second that everything that you have ever been lectured about has gone in one ear and out the other.
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>>120275508
Thank you, Anon


Now prepare yourself for Grublins: The Head-Hunters!
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I just want a cheap CGI family film that appeals to my diaper fetish
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>>120275575
Grublins is a comic about what if Humans lived alongside a race of Goblin-like creatures. I'm not into fantasy stories so I thought telling one would be an interesting challenge. I tried making a story that someone like me would enjoy. So I made a fantasy world about Goblin slaves who drink their own pee and have names like Grunkalunkus or Bong-Hitter
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>>120275639
Keep in mind that most of what you see is still a work in progress. I started doing the series you're about to see for fun and because I wanted to do something for Christmas. The story kept growing and now I'm planning on printing the book. What you're seeing is the printing files in their current state
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>>120271631
Nope.
I just need to keep pitching my idea for a pokemon/digimon knock off where everyone battles with stolen Sonic OCs. Sooner or later someone will work with me.

I mean, it's a good idea, right?
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>>120275619
Boss Baby doesn't do that to you?
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>>120275729
I made this entire comic just because some dude on instagram liked the Santa character. I thought it would be funny to do more with him
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>>120275737
Nah, I'm more of a Secret Life of Pets guy (if that movie had diapers)
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>>120275729
Pretty neat. Do you plan on releasing this outside of 4chan?
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>>120275770
>>120275772
Thanks dude! And yeah. I self-publish most of my books which I sell on my website. I also post almost all my comics on insta too. Recently though I've been taking part in a few anthologies as well as running a few of my own. If you're into the indie comic instagram community then you might see one of the new books I helped create in a few weeks!
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>>120275726
I like it
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>>120275846
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>>120275869
Now that I've had the chance to look over the whole comic, I can see that I might not be completely done with it just yet. I think I might try adding in a few pages to give it more of a conclusion as well as adding a bit more depth to a few moments

And now, for something really fun! I haven't posted any of the following pages until now. Consider this an exclusive sneak peek!
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>>120275917
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>>120275932
One of the biggest pain in the asses of making this comic was coloring Boiler. Hence why when I decided to add this story he has a slightly different look. Remember, always plan out how your shit is gonna look before you start drawing. I never plan shit out and end up having to make these types of changes, but thankfully in this instance I can pass it off as a piece of character development. I might add in an extra scene of him returning the Great Grub's head to hammer that point down too
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>>120275372
I used to be just an idea guy too. I got tired of complaining and just started writing and drawing a comic and after three years, I’ve been making at least two pages of it per month. It’s nice to have something I’ve made, even if it isn’t insanely good.
Sometimes you just have to start working toward your dream.
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>>120275976
>>120275982
I know how you feel, dude. I've got a saying when it comes to making comics that always inspires me to continue even when I'm feeling down. You don't have to be a great artist and you don't need to be a writer to be a great cartoonist. Keep up your craft, dude! I fucking dig it! Got an insta?
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>>120276029
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>tfw I've been writing for a few years (nothing published)
>been trying to learn how to draw
>been learning music theory and messing around with DAW's for a few years now
>had an idea that I can create animated shorts based on stories I can write
>everything all made by me

It'll take years, maybe decades since I'm not particually good at any of those things yet, but It'll be my crowning achievement since I don't have anything else going for me. It'll probably be bad and my own thread will be added in Kiwifarms.
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>>120271631
I wish i could write, instead I just aimlessly draw characters for no apparent reason, I wish I had the intellect to make them a story.
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>>120276095
animation is a collaborative effort, after all
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>>120276029
https://m.tapas.io/series/Centimeter-Tournament/info Here’s the comic itself on Tapas
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>>120276062
And that's all folks! Well, I do have another 3 page story but I sorta want to save that for the print release. I hope you enjoyed my dumb comic and if you want to see more from the universe I've been building please ask! I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to shill out my shit here

>>120276097
Hey man, you ever wanna collab jus let me know
>>120276095
I say fucking do it, anon. Nobody starts out great. We're all shit until we get better. If your biggest fear is that people are gonna make fun of your work then I got good news, you're in good company. But even if your comic is terrible or your art is shit or your story is incomprehensible, you still created something. That's not something most people can say. Expect your first story to be shit but use it as a learning experience to make your next story even better
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>tfw all the shitting on writefags in this thread

I'm a writefag myself and have written fanfics for fandoms on /co/. Not all of us write inane drabble.
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>>120276179
Anon, it's ok to be a writefag. What isn't ok is to constantly put yourself down and prevent yourself from trying what you really wanna do. If you wanna draw, start drawing. If you wanna write, start writing. But you gotta put the effort into it if you ever want to get better at what you wanna do
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>>120276208
I guess I just got bummed because I wish I could draw, too. It would be nice to be able to write and draw, both together. Then I could start a comic.
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I spend too much time trying to think of something unique, and if it doesn't impress me I drop it. Same with drawing, if it's not coming out the way I picture it in my head I give up.
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>>120274737
Stay away from there. You won't improve at all posting on /ic/. Just download the loomis books and buy the cheapest physical copy of an anatomy book you can find and draw. Watch movies from before 1982 and learn how to compose panels from them.
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>>120276252
Drawing will take minimum 3-4 years to get to a place where you'll feel confident enough to use it. Especially if you aren't a bad writer and want the art to be similar quality.

That being said why not start today rather than some day in the future? Watch sports documentaries and just see the addictive focus some of the greatest athletes have. None /sp/ people will scoff but that shit is inspirational as fuck and being competitive with other creators will push you to excel.
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>>120271631
Im the money guy
my talent is making money and then spending it on fetish comissions
the minimum I pay for comissions is usually $800 for one drawing
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>>120276596
commission me
assuming that's not Zimbabwe dollars you're offering
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>>120276179
The only problem with being a writefag is that it's harder to make it without art while drawfags can make a bigger and more immediate impact on their own. But that just means we have to work harder for it. Not saying drawfags got it easy but it's an even harder battle for writefags. But no matter what you do, just doing something is better than nothing. And if you have to work twice as hard then it's up to you to do that if you want to succeed.
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>>120276616
Its murrican dollars but i can also do euro or even bitcoin
how anatomically accurate can you draw a canines vagina? and when i say accurate i dont just mean visually accurate i mean scientifically accurate
cause last drawing cost me $2k but that was just because the guy was also a vet surgeon
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>>120276677
>animal genitals
gross, I pass. I like my furries with human looking stuff
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>>120275554
yes anon. and in cases like that you have to actually do enough stuff so that do you don't think of porn and jerking off.
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>>120276649
>The only problem with being a writefag is that it's harder to make it without art while drawfags can make a bigger and more immediate impact on their own.
Not if you're a romance novelist who writes a novel a month
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I can't come up with horror scenarios for a horror superhero.
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>>120276871
What kinda horror hero?
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>>120271631
>You have real talents and skills, right /co/?
Oh lord no. That's why I write.
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>>120276889
A ghost who is stuck in the physical world and is trying to move on by doing good deeds. She's being helped by a witch who is definitely not trying to take advantage of her naïveté.
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>>120272754
>$33,497.49 per 2 weeks
>$66,994.98 per month
>$803,939.76 per year
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>>120272754
>Patreon has gone from 3,985 patrons to 10,153
>Earnings are no longer visible
>Average donates $8.41 every 2 weeks
>If things are going the same rate as they were in that screencap, she should now be making $85,345.05 per 2 weeks or $2,048,281.15 per year
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>>120276946
Cool
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>>120276946
It sounds like the witch is manipulating ghost girl into making peace with people that the witch has harmed in the past. But, don't spoil it on my behalf
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>>120271631
I write comedic skits and act as a director for some of my buddy's skits. I'm currently attempting to write a talk show parody, but too much of the humor is derived from Eric Andre and in extension Space Ghost. I'd love to show my animation, but it's currently looking like I'm proud of being a terrible artist.
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>>120276111
This will be more of a pet project small enough that I can do it alone. Think 'Mike and Melissa' in terms of low budget.

>>120276163
Thanks anon. A few stories I've written felt like masterpieces until I read them over a few days later and I just wanted to junk them. Hopefully I'll gain enough confidence to showcase my stuff in the future.
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I write fanfictions.
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>>120277173
Why even bother with a medical or law degree?
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>>120276946
So yu yu hakusho?
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>>120271631
>Make 4k per month making a porn game thanks to patreon and commissions
>Don't like it but it sure beats the video game studio I used to work at.
>Every fucking week a handful of turbo autists send me their 12 page essay on their perfect porn game idea.
>Alright bro I've played a lot of porn game so here's what you have to do if you want to be successful:
>It's yet another self insert fanfiction with obscure characters that nobody knows mixed with their OC.
>Don't thank me bro we can split 50/50 after you've programmed, drawn, and written the whole thing.

I hate idea guys so fucking much.
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>>120272249
>I want to end myself sometimes.
Then do it. Please.
You've already realized it yourself that you're a fucking worthless waste of space, what more do you want from us?
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I've been working on writing a big collab story with a friend who's doing the art.

it's a long story about my giant girl OC meeting his giant girl OC

Also they got huge oversized tits
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>>120276450
can you recommend any good movies for diving into study? movies where everything is obvious to even the worst movielet?
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>>120277595
What if I ask 2%
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I can actually draw, but my depression is fucking me in the ass atm so i don't have the energy to really do anything
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>>120277879
Me too, I was just getting into writing but then it's like I just stopped and dropped into a hole when I realized I was illiterate.
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>Wrote 4 comics (3 drawn and 4 in progress)
>Slowly but steadily building a following on my IPs
>Got good will with artists cause I pay on time and built a large network that all trust me as a result

Still writing comics but I'm also making the jump into writing and directing animations. There's a publisher that's interested in one of my IPs after I began posting concept art of it, sadly I still don't have the proper artist picked for it. They told me they're willing to wait for me to pitch it but I don't wanna keep them on that for a whole year.

Overall in a way better spot than I was 5 years ago.
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>>120277844
You don't even deserve exposure, mongrel.
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I draw for writings I really like. For free.

Hate drawing girls.
I'm a fujoshi that can't draw the gae butt stuff, but if I like the male characters I just draw them.
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I was thinking of rebooting the Marvel Universe because for shits and giggles. And why not? That bald headed nigga with the Kitty pryde fap folder did the Ultimate universe right? So why not me obviously. And it’s not that hard to write the story or hard to make the characters considering the characters and worlds are pre made for me and not to mention I could just grab eighty something years of comic book history. But, I want some fucking changes as well but I don’t know if you guys would like it
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>Have stories in my head for years
>Occasionally get the urge to write them out
>The stories revolve around around several fetishes that tend to get a lot of hate even in places that are pretty open sexually
>Yet at the same time, the stories aren't as "hardcore" as most content in this space usually is. They're actually pretty slice-of-lifey.
>Get discouraged from writing because I think they'll either be super cringey or too tame for the sort of people who might be into it
>I always sucked at writing in school, and everybody prefers art over writing anyways.

>10 months ago, the urge to write hits again
>As I'm getting older, I'm giving far fewer fucks than I used to
>Finally get over my self-loathing and say "fuck it"
>Spend a few hours writing out one of my stories
>Publish it online with an account that had previously only been used to manage my watch-list and favorites
>I figure worst case scenario is nobody likes it and it just fades into obscurity
>Actually get a few faves and follows
>Not many, but hey, it's more than I was expecting

>Kept writing whenever I could find the free time
>Put out a new story about once a month
>Have almost 100 followers now and hundreds of views on all of my stories
>Even getting comments from readers praising my work

Keep at it writebros, there's an audience out there somewhere. At least if you're writing smut. My more vanilla stories barely got any attention at all.
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>>120277558
Because not everyone can be Sakimichan
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>>120271631
>Be me in middle school
>Come with story ideas
>Never really write anything down
>Not even draw anything
>Would just act everything out in my head
I think that's where my idea-guyisms come from
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>>120277879
>>120277930
Whenever I have trouble getting motivation I drink coffee and listen to some music that gets my hyped up. I have energy and bobbing my head and I feel like moving and doing stuff.
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>>120272114
what is writing in comics/animation? i get something like BTAS and Infinity Train, but there are also writers for Dora the Explorer and Peppa somehow
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>>120274104
People that are only idea guys are the absolute worst. Just want others to realize their ideas and then take the fucking credit. Fuck’em.
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Idea guys are the worst, don't be an idea guy. Everyone is an idea guy in a sense, of course your epic ideas sound great in your head, that's pretty much for everybody. Real test comes when you put that idea on a paper, does it look great then? If you're a writer, then be a novelist, don't expect other people to fill some blanks for you. If you want to work on comics, learn to draw because majority of comic artists are idea guys/writers/artists at the same time because that's how it works.
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>>120279058
>but there are also writers for Dora the Explorer and Peppa somehow
they're kid shows so you gotta make sure that the plot is understandable by tiny children
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>>120271631
i have skill but no ideas.
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>>120275726
Please elaborate, I want to know exactly how shitty this ideas is so I can insult it correctly.
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>>120278315
What kind of smut do you write?
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>>120271631
No I do something much more important. I give out uneducated criticism nobody asked for in unhelpful ways. Also your thread is shallow and pedantic.
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>>120272408
Same non here:
Get a professional editor next time. And there will be a next time, you've done it once and the first time is the hardest.
I've got 2 manuscripts that'll never see the light of day because I think they're dross.
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>>120272198
first time i come back to /co/ in a good year and this is one of the first things i see. great.
>>120271631
i am an ideas guy. i can animate well but my standards are too high/im fucking lazy. making a cartoon is so time consuming that the hobby isnt really worth it.
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>>120277819
Sorry for the slow reply

Just watch TCM if you have it, but orsen Welles and Hitchcock movies are a good start. Klute and Manhattan are two good ones from the 70s, Alan J Pakula and Woody Allen respectively. The DP who worked on both is the guy who did all three Godfather films and he worked with Pakula and woody regularly. He had a wonderful eye for lighting and was dubbed the prince of darkness for his ability to cast characters in extremely high contrast despite using mostly natural lighting and some overhead lighting. I'd highly recommend any films he worked on.

Really just browse the Criterion Collection too. I've avoided noting French films but they're are excellent visual artists even if their scripting can be a tad annoying. Highly recommend Le Samorai, pic related, because it's a perfect movie script and shooting and acting all around.
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>>120280935
Le samourai* whoops.
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>>120271631

I'm good at business communications.
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>>120272770
>we all make good money.

Nice try, very convincing.
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>>120272228
Well if it makes you feel any better, I'm only good at the art/technical side of things and hate writing. Artists need writers
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>>120271631
Honestly OP should've just started with posting this first for the sake of context and clarity >>120274549

Now with that out of the way, we can clearly identify what this "idea guy" criticism is all about. Getting people the fuck off their asses, and telling them to actually DO SOMETHING. Anything at all! Like the Nike slogan, just do it! But instead of being nice and friendly, it's going down the right path, that is, by being a complete fucking asshole, constructing an argument with some real self-reflecting venom in it.

Why do you think drill-sergeants act the way they do? To give PTSD to the soldiers before the war? Well maybe, but mostly because it's the best way to motivate and teach someone.

That's all fine. But here's my 1%. None of this fucking matters. Life is merely a dream. I have no desire or intention of sharing anything with the world because it doesn't fucking matter, and most people are too stupid and shallow to 'get' it anyway.

Everything is always better when it's inside your head. More colorful, more vibrant, the plotholes, inconsistencies, and faults barely exist, if at all. And whatever it would or could be, physically, in the "real" world, could NEVER match up with the visions inside your head.

99% of the things in your head will stay there anyway, because of fiscal, temporal, physical, etc. limitations. Sooner or later, one of these things will hold back your grandiose ideas. To the point where it barely resembles what you originally thought of, that is, if you want your idea to sustain itself. It must sell its soul and become like Jeff Bezos or modern Disney. Corporate, buearcratic, emotionless, "spark"-less, trite garbage.

Why bother at all, when I'm perfectly content with my fantasies.
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Is there an easy way to find serious collaborators who want to make things together? I've been wanting to work on other people's projects for a while but a lot of them usually leave their projects to die. Site recommendations or threads would be good
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>>120281260
Get money and post some jobs
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Im currently writing a comic, and i have a business partner that does the art. If we're lucky we can pitch it to a studio by October
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>>120279809
Just a kid going on an adventure with his Sonic OC and battling other sonic OCs. Femsonics, recolors, inflation sonics, Sonichu, Coldsteel, Blonic.

I haven't really planned out much since I know I'll never find a partner in crime. Just an idea I keep in the back of my pocket for the lols so to speak.
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>>120281277
>get money
Look I get that people want to be paid but this is cancerous. Stop listening to creators who are well into their careers. Most comics operate at a loss it's fucked up to expect page rates AND back end money while the writer is expected to play financier, conceptual creator and writer and editor (and possibly letterer and publisher and marketer).

Amateur artists need to stop being leeches.

>inb4 they do all the work
I just listed all the work they don't do and financial risk they don't undertake.
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>>120281247
Take less drugs, go work a daily job and after a few months of waking up at the ass crack of dawn until the sun has set tell me again that you haven't sold your soul.

You sound like someone who doesn't have a job and thinks society owes you something. Otherwise you've already "sold your soul".
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>>120281596
Get money from investors and/or spare money from a day job. If you really insist on not using money then form genuine friendships with potential collaborators and make sure they share the same vision as yours.
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>>120281596
This. At this point most comic artists are like YouTube beat makers who want to charge struggle rappers hundreds of dollars for a "leased" beat (meaning they'll sell it or lease it to someone else and you have no rights to continue using it and you have to pay them more if you sell it).

And most artists aren't talented enough and ESPECIALLY don't have the work ethic to charge any page rates. This is why CG books all failed to launch. Because even the best artists of the bunch just simply don't put in the work. A 20-40 page comic shouldn't take an artist more than a few months TOPS to finish. And if you're being paid a page rate and expect co-creator financial return and billing you should be quitting your day job and spending 8 hours drawing that ONE comic. Most are hobbyists and yet expect to be paid like pros because "in like Le super talented".
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>>120281247
>Why do you think drill-sergeants act the way they do? To give PTSD to the soldiers before the war? Well maybe, but mostly because it's the best way to motivate and teach someone.

Factually wrong. This kind of teaching works in exactly three situations, and it works better in exactly two situations

First, it works when the learner has already a strong motivation and good working habits toward the goal in sight, but in that situation about any kind of help or pedagogy provides good results.

Second, it works better when the learner personaly care about the aproval of the teacher, or if he has no choice but to submit to the authority like in the millitary, because getting better gets close to 'do or die' in that situation

If the learner is still laking motivation and discipline, then harshnss will not work best. Be as harsh as you want on the internet, you can't stop any anon from calling you a fag and then walking away, even your advice could genuinly help. All you'll have acomplished is antagonizing criticism in his mind

That doesn't mean any method is flawless, but screaming at random people they should feel bad of the internet works like 1% of the time, while showing some care and encouragement might work 5% of the time
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>>120281681
>This is why CG books all failed to launch
>all
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>>120271631
I am a published comic book writer, yes
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>>120281637
>Get money from investors and/or spare money from a day job.
Retarded as can be. This is how you end up in debt because you need to pay investors back. Also NOBODY is investing in a comic. And let's be clear crowdfunding isn't investment. It's selling a product that doesn't exist to rubes. It's presales not investment. And thus you recoup little cost.

Also amateur artists should he incurring risk. Otherwise they shouldn't expect anything more than a page rate and possible future gigs. Many expect to be seen as equals and co-owners. Yet don't use their own time/money (free time/low rates) expecting all of what anon said of the "writer"; to be investor, writer, publisher, marketer, letterer, editor and even colorist (depending on the project and artist).

If the artist isn't spending 8 hours a day working on just that one project they don't deserve even close to a 100-200 page rate. That being said they DO deserve co-ownership in this case as it's two hobbyists joining forces.

Big 2 and oft-published artists have POISONED a generation of deviantart/twitter/instagram artists who imagine they can draw for two hours a day and take half a year to do a single issue while expecting 100-200 per page.
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>>120281719
Most of them act as issue one in a series that will never get to issue 2 let alone monthly. A 22 page comic once a quarter isn't "launching" it's making a little trinket story for backers that get nothing for their money and time spent waiting.

It's not just a CG problem either but they do have some solid artists. It's just that those artists need to quit their day jobs if they're actually expecting a few thousand per issue.
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>>120281695
>If the learner is still laking motivation and discipline, then harshnss will not work best.
I think that anon is flawed this stuck out. These people shouldn't even be considered because they're not ever going to be a professional (semi- or otherwise) in any capacity. They'll always be laggards.
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>>120281681
>more than a few months TOPS to finish.
Honestly that's pushing it too. 8 hours a day for 5 days a week is more than enough to do 22 pages in a month. If they want to charge pro rates (150+ per page) they need to treat it like a job. That's a better daily wage than most people get at their daily job.
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>>120281763
I missed a point where you said

>the writer is expected to play financier, conceptual creator and writer and editor (and possibly letterer and publisher and marketer

Has that always been the case. I know it's a thing for self-employed indie creators but wouldn't that really depend on who you want to hire? Can't you hire those jobs separately using spare cash or even do some of the things on your own?

For example I plan to do the outline, layout, inking, colors, and lettering, while I'll hire a writer for the dialogue with my disposable income. My comic is more like a hobby though so perhaps your argument doesn't apply here.

I do agree with you about charging artists, though. You should work professionally and on time. Being a freelancer doesn't excuse that.
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>>120281719
Not him but the one CG project that ever interested me raised a FUCK TON of money and yet has taken like two years to complete and still hasn't been released. I'm pretty happy I didn't back it cause I'd be furious. They were planning T-shirts and making logos and shit and meanwhile the artist seemingly spends more time doing pin-ups and variants for other CG books.
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>>120281910
Do they NOT work based on a schedule? Sounds like a whole lotta bullshit
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>>120281893
>Has that always been the case. I know it's a thing for self-employed indie creators but wouldn't that really depend on who you want to hire? Can't you hire those jobs separately using spare cash or even do some of the things on your own
>spare cash
What spare cash though? The writer is already paying the artist while forgoing their own page rate. This is exactly the problem. The writer is expected to be some silver spoon rich dude who can just bleed money and forgo payment.

Almost all indie comics make NO return and moat operate at a loss (this means indie not small press publishers which even that is a pipe dream for most). Why is the writer expected to take a loss in the thousands just to employ everyone else?

But yeah main contention is indie artists expecting a 150+ per page and equity of sorts while not working exclusively on that one project for 8 hours a day in order to finish quickly yet with premium quality.

>>120281918
That's the balance in much of the Industry. Artists are allowed to take their sweet time because "oh don't we all want the BEST work possible??" as if never ending production time means better quality. There's also the "oh I'm a struggling artist" aspect as if 150 per page on a monthly isn't a better wage than most creators would make at a day job. If the rate is at 200, if they just buckle down and do 22 a month, its just under 50K after taxes.
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>>120281625
>thinks society owes you something
Why would I ever think that?
>Otherwise you've already "sold your soul".
Listen, society doesn't allow me to just work my fields and live off the sweat of my brow. I'd be the happiest person on the planet if I could do that. But I can't.

It's a corporate, digital world, you will have to suck dick like a whore or become an evil megalomaniacal robot to get ahead. I'll take every fucking opportunity to leech of this fuckhead society, until I get bored of it.

There's nothing good in the future. You have no fucking idea how big of a threat overpopulation is. But it will be. And you're all gonna suck dick because of it, mark my words.

>>120281695
>Be as harsh as you want on the internet, you can't stop any anon from calling you a fag and then walking away
Yeah exactly. Just like how I did that with my other post. Wow the internet really does impersonalize communication doesn't it?
>All you'll have acomplished is antagonizing criticism in his mind
Yep. More hatred.
>while showing some care and encouragement might work 5% of the time
Not sure if that works at all. In fact I'm almost certain that NOTHING works.

>>120281811
>These people shouldn't even be considered because they're not ever going to be a professional (semi- or otherwise) in any capacity.
And what, you think (You) will be? Fuck off. Even IF you are, you are just one extremely lucky person out of the hundreds of thousands who also entertained the idea to be like you at one point or another.

But here's the kicker: 99% of them won't get fucking shit, in regards to their dreams.
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>>120282044
>What spare cash though? The writer is already paying the artist while forgoing their own page rate. This is exactly the problem. The writer is expected to be some silver spoon rich dude who can just bleed money and forgo payment
Sorry, should've said disposable income.

For me it's like buying a commission and in my case the comic will be free so yeah, the problem you're presenting probably doesn't apply to my situation.

And I do commend that you want to earn as much as your collaborator(s). I think you should really just make friends who also work on comics and see if they want to work on the risky project with you. Maybe use your already existing connections for that.
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>>120282068
Jesus Christ this entire post, each reply, is an encapsulation of NGMI.
>take every fucking opportunity to leech of this fuckhead society, until I get bored of it.
>Not sure if that works at all. In fact I'm almost certain that NOTHING works.
>And what, you think (You) will be?
>Even IF you are, you are just one extremely lucky person

And let's be clear the It of the NGMI in this case is anything - a comic that sells nothing and gets no views for free or a wage slave job that allows you to pay for food.

You're a leech and should seek Medicaid to get therapy.
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>>120282068
>Listen, society doesn't allow me to just work my fields and live off the sweat of my brow. I'd be the happiest person on the planet if I could do that. But I can't.

Why not? I know it's the pandemic and all, but can't you move to Europe? IIRC there are governmental incentives where they would pay you if you move to more remote areas.
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>>120282123
See I agree my thing is this is an industry problem not a you or I problem. Not attacking you but your outlook is just as poisonous to the comics job market as the big 2 artists telling amateurs to not work for cheap.

Nobody should want to work at a loss. I personally don't expect any of my comics to make a dollar but that's why I draw write color letter and everything solo. Because it's not worth the material financial investment when the material return is likely nothing.

I do agree with the "friend" thing but this has even poisoned that route in that artists look at everyone even friends as a leech rather than themselves because they truly think they're worth page rates AND equity yet they look at equity offers as schemes because they know most comics (most media really) make nothing.
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>>120274206
>My father attempted to take his life on my birthday
Sounds like your dad really hates you
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>>120282197
>>120282123

Just to put my thoughts out clearly in regards to equity

Artists seemingly want page rates AND 50 percent equity in terms of credit and ownership. Yet if they're getting a page rate and not investing in the project at all then they're already only entitled to like 30 percent equity at most because they've taken a rate the writer has forgone and they incurred no financial risk.

meanwhile they all look at you as if "you're that evil asshole Stan Lee/Bob Kane" and they're the "stunningly talented Jack Kirby/Bill Finger"
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>>120282197
>I do agree with the "friend" thing but this has even poisoned that route in that artists look at everyone even friends as a leech rather than themselves because they truly think they're worth page rates AND equity yet they look at equity offers as schemes because they know most comics (most media really) make nothing.

That's sad. I assume this is what happens when the place you live is more individualistic. My place is more collectivist so people don't mind helping each other without anything in return.
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>>120282217
No we were always best friends and while we butt heads its more that he couldn't make it to Christmas, two weeks after my birthday.

But I'm sure you don't care and just wanted to be a cunt while I was sharing that to hopefully keep another human from doing the same.
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>>120282267
It's more that living costs are high in my area so people from a young age understand they need to make money to continue to put food on the table.
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>>120282217
Go fuck yourself. I have little to no doubt you're the vermin from above saying you'll mooch off the world.
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>>120282143
>is an encapsulation of NGMI.
That's because that's the reality of the human condition. Think back to thousands of years in human civilization. Think about the millions and billions of lives that went and now are gone. The majority of them won't even be remembered, their fates and lives are completely meaningless and had affected absolutely nothing. And once you're done with this boring existence, you will join their ranks. Another faceless nobody whom nobody cared for.

> seek Medicaid to get therapy.
Fuck jews. Psychology is fucking poison.

>>120282152
>but can't you move to Europe?
And then what? You think without connections I have even the slightest of chance to get by? What if I'm actually talented, and knowledgable, but can't for the life of me network, or open up to people in the first place? If I can't even make friends, how could I make a strategic business move?

What if when it comes to that famous "do or die" situation (like say, I'm forced to become homeless because my leeching is at an end) I instead choose the easier way out? Suicide? Who's to say my choice was "worse" than someone else who "tried"? Do you think it will fucking matter? Nobody's going to fucking remember neither me nor that guy in like 50 years.

>there are governmental incentives where they would pay you if you move to more remote areas
Oh yeah? Where? To be quite honest, they're are probably scams that are not worth it, or somehow add to your debts in the long run, I bet.
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>>120282367
>a bunch of 'what if's

Get help. That's a sign of anxiety

https://www.healthline.com/health/anxiety/catastrophizing

>Psychology is fucking poison
No wonder you feel helpless
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>be a plotter on a comic book cartoon
>Get paid to take an already story line and change it a little to fit the theme of the show
>Have others wrote the thing
Feels good. Having 60 years of media to take from also helps.
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>>120282197
>I do agree with the "friend" thing but this has even poisoned that route in that artists look at everyone even friends as a leech
Bro sounds to me like you came by assholes who just pretended to be your friends, instead of real friends.
Tho friends or not, unless they're really invested in your idea, no shit they're gonna want some kind of compensation for the time they put working on it.
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>>120282286
>>120282336
You the fuck kills themselves on their loved one's birthday you fags
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>>120279871
Furry shota with a mixture of diapers, pee, soft sexual exploration, casual and accidental nudity, innocence, embarrassing situations / humiliation. Usually not all at the same time, but it's a shared universe where these different things come up pretty often.

I mean, my first story involved a pre-teen boy having a wet dream, which lead him to accidentally hump and jizz on his younger brother in his sleep. I worried that most people who would be into a story like that would want more hardcore sexual content, but the story ends with the older boy waking up and freaking out about what he did. Instead of things getting more erotic, all he does is take his little bro to get cleaned up and try to get him to stop asking questions and not tell anyone.

From there, I ended up writing a few stories involving the younger brother's bedwetting problems, but those stories are 100% non-sexual.
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>>120272249
nigga quite complaining and go write. if you stop, kill yourself
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>>120273105
Based.
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I bet every single anon who says they are a writer in this thread doesn't have a single chapter to show, and are really just idea guys in denial
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>tfw I can draw, create 3D models, animate, program and compose, but can't write
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>>120277558
To quote Zoidberg, "Not a day goes by I don't ask myself the same question."
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>>120271631
If I had any real talent and skill, I wouldn't be browsing 4chan right now.
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>>120277819
Here are some great filmmakers/films that come to mind when I think of striking composition:
>Stanley Kubrick (in terms of visuals, Barry Lyndon is a definite highlight and arguably among the most beautiful films ever made)
>David Lynch (Eraserhead is particularly striking and a very short watch)
>Akira Kurosawa (Seven Samurai is full of shots and compositions you've seen imitated countless times)
>Orson Welles (Citizen Kane, The Lady from Shanghai, Touch of Evil and especially)
>The Third Man
>David Lean (Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge on the River Kwai)
>The Passion of Joan of Arc (a silent film, but makes the imagery all the more central to the work)
>Scorsese (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Last Temptation of Christ)
>Halloween (a very low budget affair, certainly, but I love the way Carpenter uses shadows to make Michael Myers so sinister and enigmatic - if you want to see how important this is, compare the first Halloween to Halloween 4 or H20 where they fuck up the mask and the lighting, completely diminishing the effect)

All great films, all have really strong composition that can definitely serve as an inspiration for your artwork. I hued older, but tried to pick movies I think are also great films in general and not just visually appealing.
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>>120271631
I am trying, but it is hard to learn creative skills while having to deal with Uni and stuff.
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>>120281596
>>120281681
>>120281763
>>120282044
Why should a artist what to work on you garbage, when he can make more drawing booba? lol the state of ideaguy, poorfags.
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I didnt enjoy drawing, but I do enjoy making youtube videos and started learning to make music in quarantine. Once I feel more confident in both of them I'd like to offer those services to other creatives definitely, maybe (MAYBE) I'll offer some ideas to the writer or artist or whatever but only to help understand and grow their goal, not replace it with mine.
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>>120281277
Original poster you responded to, I'm an animator/artist who has a healthy line of work. I also like to take my mind off of large projects and work on side projects that aren't as demanding.

The best idea guys are either open to change and have plenty of room to grow and improve, or are stubborn enough to have a strong vision and work ethic without the talent. It's always a pleasure working on a passion project
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>>120271631
im trying to work on drawing, but my lack of skill keeps making it hard to look at so i dont draw for long periods and just repeat the same cycle for ages
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>>120284968
>>120281260
I do 3D art and animation, and would like to collaborate. What kind of animation do you do? even if it's only 2D we might could find something to work on together.
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>>120279010
This. It'd be one thing if there could at least be 10000 of them that can coexist, but odds are that you can't. Sakimichan is an anomaly, not a standard.
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First time picking up a pencil, give it to me straight bros, do I have talent?
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>>120282515
>Bro sounds to me like you came by assholes who just pretended to be your friends, instead of real friends
I mean that doesn't really make sense. It's like assuming your friends will give you a discount, who's really the asshole then.

>>120284572
Learn English if you want to talk shit and not sound retarded but also this isn't in regard to people who have no problem making a living doing porn pinups thisnis in regard to people who want to make comics. Most porn/commission artists don't in fact make good money.

>inb4 my faves do though so they all do
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>>120282537
Grow up. Also learn English.
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>>120283738
Make a video game then. You don't need writing.
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>>120285730
talent comes from hard work, not intrinsic ability
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>>120271631
Every time I write or draw I'm reminded of how shitty I am and quit.
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>>120286728
So that is a "no", then? Well, I guess there is always politics..
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>>120283624
I just write fanfics and greens
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>>120271631
And what have you done OP? Besides whine about what you think other people should do?
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>>120277683
thanks for the big tits



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