So what would have happened to him after the events of the film?
House arrest for a few months
>>120250637court marshal and dishonorable discharge
Arrested for treason.
>>120250713pretty much this, he ordered a nuclear strike on US civilians, there's no amount of connections that can make up for such a blunder
>>120250637>Actually believed 'Duck and Cover' was a real thingWhat a fucking idiot
>>120250637This was the 50s right? He would have been executed I think. I mean, he did kinda launch a nuke.
>>120250775>>120250778The nukes had only just been invented and not everyone had truly grasped the scale of how destructive they were, Duck and Cover was real propaganda being fed to the public to downplay their threat by implying they were survivable. Mansley was just a suit who was probably too low on the ladder to know much about military hardware as it was still being integrated onto the fabric of the government's workings. How big government secrets were and who needed to know them was still being sorted out. I.E. Mansley goes through the whole film acting like a super elite know it all, but he actually knows jack shit.
Dishonorable discharge, maybe a prison sentence. However given the extraordinary and unprecedented circumstances I could see him simply getting demoted. Either way he's not getting any favors from anyone.
>>120250769Fuck US civilians, he ordered a strike on US soil. A country can excuse a few thousand dead civilians- even the US. What the US CAN'T have is the damage to it's prestige by accidentally nuking itself- America would lose tons of face, and would be lucky to keep NATO (NATO would ask themselves if the US is willing to nuke itself on the word of one crazy fed, it's not hard to imagine what might convince them to nuke one of them). If they are unable to cover-up the attempted nuclear strike (which they might or might not), then his trial would need to be extremely public so that the US can demonstrate that it can be trusted with nukes. Same for the guys who launched the nukes as well on the word of one crazed fed, not waiting for confirmation from the president or a general or anything like that. I mean- even if the Iron Giant decided to destroy all humans, it could only be in one place at one time, and was attacking a small town of little strategic import- military high-command could have easily sat back for a few days to get a read on the situation and consider their options.
I´m more interested in how their world reacted to the knowledge that aliens exist and can build giant robots filled with devastating weapons, capable to fly and even self-reparing.
>>120251127>The nukes had only just been invented and not everyone had truly grasped the scale of how destructive they wereSo were the reports of how Hiroshima and Nagasaki no longer existed downplayed to the American public?
>>120251360>Same for the guys who launched the nukes as well on the word of one crazed fed,Fucking this, people shit on Mansley for launching the nukes but the crew of the submarine ( I think it was a submarine) should have refused.
>>120251501The submarine crew probably didn't realize that the radio had been taken and just heard a guy hysterically scream at them "Launch the missile now" through a 50s-tech radio. I can't really blame them for firing at that point, they probably thought that the general saw some serious shit going down given how hesitant he was just seconds before.
>>120250637He got laid
>>120251558>>120251501Yeah, the situation was... unique to say the least. I mean, what exactly are the protocols for dealing with a giant rampaging alien robot?
>>120251400I think they were actually.
>>120251400Little Boy and Fat Man were actually exceptionally small nukes compared to what would start being produced during the Cold War. They were incredibly destructive for the period but next to the kinds of nukes that would have been launched during the Iron Giant they were basically chump change. The reason that "duck and cover" was actually able to be sold to the public was because they used examples of surviving structures from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which would have been absolutely flattened in the context of 1957 when the movie took place.
>>120251609the based ending
Executed via firing squad for treason.
>>120251501There were reports of a giant metal man that had just sent out a giant beam of destructive force terrorizing the countryside with belief it was russian made while a guy (Who they thought was the general) yells to launch it. I figure in such a situation they would definitely launch it without second thought.
>>120251501The submarine crew did nothing wrong.
>>120250637Put up against a wall I'm sure
Realistically a 50s general would have just blown Mansley's brains out himself.
>>120250637He'd get yelled at real bad
>>120250637even as far back as WW! and before, some of the only thing that will get you executed outright under military law is Murder and Rape, even desertion would usually be deferred to prison sentence, except in one very strange case in WWII.Mansley IDK if he is subject to the UCMJ or not, but I think the severity of his very blatant Sedition could easily warrant a death sentence under normal circumstances, but defense arguments could probably work that down given indeed a gigantic alien robot bristling with unstoppable weaponry existed and had just attacked US forces.either way, he's going to Prison.
>>120250637Luckily he will be incarcerated for a few months. Agents like him have it easy
>>120253636The problem is calling down a nuke is very much NOT his call. He's not even military, he's a fed. He has no jurisdiction calling a nuke- it's dubious if the general did, but for the record he very much let it be known he was against such an action (for one notable reason being that they were all within blast-range). And militarily- nuking then and there wasn't really a good call. Yes, it's a giant space-robot, and it was a problem, but the actual fight was basically a skirmish- and the robot could only be in one-place at one time. It really wouldn't have been much of an ask to try to delay the robot for a few days as the military weighs their options- the small rural town was not of any real military importance anyway.
WHERE'S THE GIANT MANSLEY?!
>>120253437Being in a sub sucks.
>>120254172
>>120250775>>120252033This. Since the nuke was aimed directly at the town, there's pretty much nothing they can do.
>>120254193
>>120254074>It really wouldn't have been much of an ask to try to delay the robot for a few daysScary Fighting Mode IG was absolutely clowning on them until Hogarth settled it down. The might of the Military Industrial Complex couldn't hold it off for a few minutes, much less days.
>>120250775How big a boom your Nukes can make was probably a pretty closely guided secrete. Plus the town was so podunk it's unlikely there were any buildings sturdy enough to withstand a blast even from a smaller nuke.
>>120254281Even if the attack was a mistake, respect to the General for immediately pulling out his sidearm without any hesitation as a giant metal robot nearly crushed him. Absolutely stone cold.
>>120251360>crazyHe was unironically right though, there was an alien and it was a weapon.
WHERE'S THE MAN GIANTSLEY?!
>>120254337That rapid-fire disc barrage is the coolest impractical shit.
>>120254558Aliens are the undisputed kings of cool impractical weapons
>>120251400Prior to that day, there were talks of the conflict with Japan possibly going on for another year or two. People were, understandably, absolutely sick of the war, and with the Reich already taken down they were willing to take any solution to make it all be over with. The US public truly didn’t know the extent of the damage done to the Japanese public, assuming the Atom was akin to several harsh air strikes. This truth was downplayed for years and post WW2 censorship prevented the Japanese from talking about it in their media which is why they made pic related as an allegory for the terror.
>>120254395Is this fanmade?
>>120250775>>120251127Duck and Cover was a legitimate practice and is still a viable survival tactic even today. If you are outside the immediate blast zone but still in danger, getting something in between you and the blast in the second from seeing the flash to feeling it, massively improves your odds of survival. The idea that it was useless propaganda is a myth stemming from a misunderstanding of how radiation works amd a general mistrust of cold war policies.
>>120254878Looks more like a deleted scene
Does it matter? Sooner or later the full alian invasion force will follow the Giant, and everybody will be dead.
>>120254878>>120254960Its a deleted scene titled "the giants dream" from the DVD extras iirc.
>>120254558>>120254727>impracticalDunno, those disk weapons look awfully effective to me, disabling 4 tanks in the span of one second.
>>120255016Is that actually canon
>>120254395Is this scene canon? The iron giant being the scout of an alien invasion totally makes sense, otherwise why would be loaded with so much lethal weaponry and a WMD beam canon?
>>120251609
>>120250637>So what would have happened to him after the events of the film?slap on the wrist since he can say that thought that it was soviets robot
>>120253636But Mansley did rape someone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YSh-Hoy7FA
>>120250683It's unlikely that he's military - he's just a federal agent, and so he would not be subject to the uniform code of military justice and thus not subject to a court martial or dishonourable discharge.
>>120254742Wow, they literally tried to memory whole a fucking nuke
>>120254074>He has no jurisdiction calling a nuke- it's dubious if the general didFun fact, until close to the 60s generals/admirals/what have you did indeed have the authority to deploy nuclear weapons, there was just a bunch if hoops they had to clear first. It wasnt until MacArthur made it clear he wanted to nuke the Chinese to hell during Korea that we bumped it up to solely the President making that call.
>>120256326Darn, there is a based alt history where I don’t have to deal with the Chinese buying all the Nvidua cards fir bitcoin mining
>>120251127You are naive to both the massive public knowledge of the world war-ending super weapon, and the reasons why the world and public would explode at the idea of it not being properly handled
>>120256415Probably for the best. Bad enough we get one psycho with his finger on the button, dont need a whole potential legion of them
>>120250637>nuclear armed submarine>in 1957Also,>USS Nautilus>rated to carry nuclear missilesYou might as well as had a movie with the HL Hunley carrying WWII-era magnetic torpedoes
>>120255056Not only that, but assuming it's just shaving little pieces off of the disk and launching them at the enemy while charging them, extremely ammunition efficient.
>>120256572Nigga a hundred foot man made of metal falls from the sky and can quite literally tank anything and everything mankind can throw at it. Shush
>>120254378i love that explosion effect.
>>120250637Favorite Bird film ( perhaps because he didn't write it ) Not a big fan of his Pixar films and their writing style
>>120250637Maybe charged with something or lose his job?Alternatively, he might even get away with it. America has nearly nuked itself several times and if it comes out he called a strike, he can say it was done in defense of America during the early Cold War from some communist plot. It might be hard to believe but I think a good portion of Americans would accept it as a defense if they say it was the only way to keep the country safe from the "reds".
The Iron Giant takes place in the late 1950s, around the same time America's military was introducing the Davy Crockett Nuke gun for combat use. If it really wanted to (and had no means of actually pulling off a cover up), they could just say it needed to be used do to a crisis of an unconventional weapon being released on American soil and play PR from there.
>>120254742The nukes were still a good decision- the only thing I fault Truman for is I think he could have waited a few more days to really let the damage sink in after the first one before firing his second (and only one left). All estimates, from both the allies and Japanese had more CIVILIAN deaths following a conventional land invasion of Japan, than the sum-total estimate for the nukes- and that's before getting into the deaths of any soldiers from the Japanese, British, or Americans.
>>120256415All that would have accomplished would have been starting WW3. Even if you nuke all of China, the Japanese spent 8 years and a huge leg up in seizing Manchuria and Inner Mongolia prior, and got stuck in a quagmire. With the Communists focus on guerilla warfare, even with the nukes, no serious progress would have been made by the US- and this is assuming the Soviets don't intervene (who had a huge finger in the Korea pie already), and the massive potential ecological damage made. It ended any chance MacArthur had at a political career- and his hawkishness is probably why North Korea still exists (China mostly intervened for fear of America crossing the border, which was pretty much 2 days from happening as MacArthur didn't really plan on stopping).
>>120250637>Government agentPromoted
>>120257569Given how alphabet agencies work, this is quite likely.
>>120255510based edit
Manley not being shown any kind of karma is a legitimate flaw.
>>120251400You have to understand how drastically the scales of these things increased, destroying a single city with a bomb is child's play in comparison to what can be fired out now, a nuke was like a few days of firebombing condensed into a single explosive, there were people who survived the actual hit, these days? not a snowflakes chance in hell.
>>120257851They may have survived, but it wasn’t a good life, anon.
>>120250775>>120251127Actually, if you're far enough from the blast that you actually have time to react, duck and cover is your best hope of surviving the immediate hazards of a nuclear detonation. Shockwaves still obey the physical rules for fluid waves, which means the more shit they run into at ground level the more they diffuse and dissipate. Getting low to the ground, preferably behind something solid, *substantially* increases your chances of survival.That said, like >>120254196 mentioned - in this instance the entire town IS ground zero, so it wouldn't have helped here.
>>120257462Agreed. The one two punch was excessive.
>>120254212What's this from?
>>120253636>except in one very strange case in WWII.do tell, i wanna hear the story behind the dipshit who managed to get executed for getting lost while taking a piss break in the woods.
>>120250786WHERE'S THE MANSLEY, GIANT?
>>120256493Biden isn’t in office yet anon
>>120250637Mansley was right you knowthe giant was sent to eradicate mankind and was a threat to them all, it was pure happenstance that he bumped his head and met Hogarthpoor bastard was right at the wrong time
>>120257517Yes but I wouldn’t have to deal with Chinese buying up all the gpus
>>120257935Look up Eddie Slovik.tl;dr version - ex con got scared shitless during a shelling, ran off, surrendered to an MP with a note expressing his intent to run away again if put back on active duty thinking the worst he'd get was jail time. Since this was shortly before a major offensive in which expected casualties were high, and risk of desertion even higher, the court martial felt they had no alternative but to make an example of him.
>>120257923The.Silent.War a BBC two part documentary.
>>120257447Huh, so Fallout wasn't lying, mini nukes are real after all.
>>120258052Yeah, that's what the Fat-Man was originally based on. Though the idea for the Davey-Crocket was more of a nuclear artillery gun than a shoulder-mounted weapon. There was a brief time in which the US army tried sticking atomic technology on everything to see if it was a good idea (including a nuclear-powered tank- tldr, it worked but deemed too expensive and impractical given the lead plating you needed to put over the engine making it way too heavy).
>>120258096If I remember correctly the Davy Crockett had similar practically problems. As well as the issue of fallout from the blast potentially falling back on your own guys depending on weather conditions.
>>120258096The tank was also suppose to be amphibious.
Someone brought this up in another thread about this, Mansley is probably already super fucked for kidnapping Hogarth. That shit carries a much more severe sentence than you would think.
>>120258096Oh and don't forget all the fun ideas DARPA had with nukes.
>>120254395When I saw The Iron Giant in a local theater a couple years ago they included this scene.
>>120258210I often think about Lockheed's nuclear powered flying aircraft carrier.
>>120258234Also Project Orion.
>>120258197Damn I forgot about that. Hogarth could also testify he threatened to abuse his power further to separate him and his mother.
>>120258245>>120258234You really gotta wonder just what goes on in their R&D department. Especially since there's a very good chance some of thier crazy stuff actually got built and tested at places like area 51.
>>120258366
>>120250637Why were the 50's so cringe?Russia this, Russia that. I hate boomers.
>>120252033Bloody hell
>>120258023I mean, I can kind of agree with that line of thinking. What was their alternative, give him exactly what he wanted (jail time) and send the same message to the rest of the armed forces?
>>120258412I kind of want to see their dumbest pants-on-head-retarded idea. And how much money was spent on it.
>>120254378that's such a fucking cool effect for an explosion, it's like an emp with the power of a nuke
>>120258566This comes close.
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>>120258895Did I just watch someone die?>>120258904Sort of like a primative VTOL.
>>120258935>The XF-84H was almost certainly the loudest aircraft ever built, earning the nickname "Thunderscreech" as well as the "Mighty Ear Banger". On the ground "run ups", the prototypes could reportedly be heard 25 miles (40 km) away. Unlike standard propellers that turn at subsonic speeds, the outer 24–30 inches (61–76 cm) of the blades on the XF-84H's propeller traveled faster than the speed of sound even at idle thrust, producing a continuous visible sonic boom that radiated laterally from the propellers for hundreds of yards. The shock wave was actually powerful enough to knock a man down; an unfortunate crew chief who was inside a nearby C-47 was severely incapacitated during a 30-minute ground run. Coupled with the already considerable noise from the subsonic aspect of the propeller and the T40's dual turbine sections, the aircraft was notorious for inducing severe nausea and headaches among ground crews. In one report, a Republic engineer suffered a seizure after close range exposure to the shock waves emanating from a powered-up XF-84H. The pervasive noise also severely disrupted operations in the Edwards AFB control tower by risking vibration damage to sensitive components and forcing air traffic personnel to communicate with the XF-84H's crew on the flight line by light signals. After numerous complaints, the Air Force Flight Test Center directed Republic to tow the aircraft out on Rogers Dry Lake, far from the flight line, before running up its engine.https://youtu.be/YItexQxJS9U
>>120255118I don't think anyone cares about canon on a one off movie. The way I see it, it's a story that makes sense, sure. It's what you picture in your head if you think about it a bunch, but as a movie it works better without it. The giant is better as an entity this kid interacts with and is largely a mystery. We're better off not seeing what the kid doesn't know as it's not a necessary thing to know. Plus it's unnecessarily spooky to think about that there's some alien out there that this was an invasion force of and that it means thinking ahead that this could be earth's fate.
>>120250637I asked an airforce friend this question awhile back, whats the minimum penalty he could face for ordering a nuclear strike on US soil, he got back to me with this>Tough call. He’s a federal agent, aka civilian, so UCMJ doesn’t apply, but it would obviously be a highly classified case and the government wouldn’t want to reveal it almost nuked itself>He’d probably just be put in a CIA jail cell for life with formal charges never being brought, or a military tribunal with appeals being blocked due to the thing being top secret>In the case of tribunal, I’d expect old timey generals to give him death>Minimum would again be CIA/NSA (not sure how developed NSA was back then) cell for life>Basically an asylum but can’t risk him talking>Absolute minimum is unlikely, but technically it would be felony impersonation of an officer lol
>>120250637He doesn't exist anymore
>>120258996I wish someone could make a modern recording. It sounds so classic sci-fi
>>120252033To be fair, you don't need to put Tzar Bomba on that list. That's not an example of what a bomb at the time would do, that's an example of the biggest fuckin explosion we could make under zero limitations, including the limitation of needing to deliver it anywhere. It wasn't mobile, it was a big boom built in place and detonated where it was built. It's just an example of "We can make a boom as big as we want throwing all practicality out, and in fact played with the idea of doubling Tzar Bomba's power, but it was pointless to do so and it probably would've created apocalyptic scenarios.Any accurate chart to what they would launch in Iron Giant should rescale this chart.
>>120259049that's pretty interesting honestly
>>120250637the giant rapes him
>>120250637>UNFortunately misTER MANsly, it apPEARS my... EMPLOYERS no LOnger have any nEED for YouR Services
>>120259587Same with Bravo too. The biggest thing with a proper launching system we've made is 9mt I believe. Even just a more average explosion though at 3 megatons is still a good deal more than Hiroshima.
He never existed.
>>120258935Make way for Hiller
>>120257938MANSLEY'S THE GIANT, WHERE?
>>120257830It is more realistic tho.
>>120257982If the giant was just a doomsday weapon sent to destroy, why would it even have an "unarmed" mode and such advanced non-combat AI functionality built in?
>>120260206We cant even be sure why it got sent to Earth. Maybe it got knocked off course and was seperated from its group or something? Maybe it had a non-combat AI in case it came across an advanced civilisation that could kick the shit out of those who send Iron Giants out. Ultimately we dont know.
>>120260557And that's good.And why the giant's dream was cut.And why it should stay cut.
>>120250637Taken to some office job in the agency, his involvement would be scrubbed.
>>120258904so... um... how does it land?
>>120260716same way, like a helicopter.
>>120256326god the Korean war was such a fucking mess
>>120258183I hope there will eventually be a GuP version.
>>120258096They toyed with the idea of a nuclear powered jet that could fly for 2 years straight (implying the whole jet wouldn't fall apart by then) but there was no way to get sufficient shielding in a jet so they scrapped the plan. The Soviets of course went ahead with a test and although it worked fine, all of the test pilots died within months of the very short test.
>>120258366Have to spend up their budget or they will get less next year. No matter how stupid the ideas are, they still have to keep cranking them out. And the public wont know how much time they wasted until they're long retired.
>>120261685This'd work nicely with a drone, though.
>>120259587>Soviet scientist in charge of the bomb actually made it to be 100 megatons>went back in and added bits to retard the reaction by half because he feared something that powerful could potentially ignite the atmosphere and kill all lifeGod is deadAnd we have killed Him
>>120259587Tsar Bomba was dropped from a plane. In fact they gave it a parachute to slow it's decent enough to give the plane enough time to get to a safe distance.
>>120250637Astro Boy 2009 was the more soulful flop. Iron Giant is too Calarts
>>120262345fuck off shark tale fag
>>120262407IG is the superior movie, but AB had way more soul. Either case, they're both the most tragic /co/ flops imo ( not a Treasure Planet fan )
>>120259587Yeah I couldn't really find a better comparison image that included earlier nuclear blasts. Tzar Bomba was fucking insane though no matter how you look at it, blew out windows in homes over 500 miles away from the detonation.
>>120262548Brad Bird and David Bowers poured their hearts in both, yet WB and Summit gave them zero marketing and sent them to die ( neither crossed 40 million worldwide )
>>120262645Like, Treasure Planet was a flop, but it was at least able to gross more than 100 million worldwide. Iron Giant and Astro Boy made less than 40 million
>>120262223Well that’s because it was a test, a suicide bomber with the bomba would definitely be more efficient.
Where was The Giant Mansley? He looks normal sized.
>>120263565It was a metaphor.
>>120263793The Giant Mansley was the friends we made along the way.
In real life, Mansley would've been gunned down by those soldiers the moment he threw the soldier out of the vehicle and tried to escape after dooming Rockswell
>>120250637Jail time, but less then Trump.
>>120250775>just take the full impact of the blast broretard
>>120264962So none then(you)the bait workedreplying isn't neededbottom textadditional meme
>>120262345>Iron Giant is too CalartsWeird to see you of all people arguing this ST, I thought this was guy's department
>>120254378Man those guys on the ship must have shit their fucking pants
>>120250637Ordering the intentional nuking of American soil? Execution.
>>120254378imagine all the dead fishes :(
>>120265095I like IG, but it really is too Calarts for its own good. Bird wasn't a veteran
>>120265125Maybe it was just an EMP energy ball so they might be alright.
>>120254395I always thought that this scene meant that the Iron Giant was a deserter who got tired of fighting.
>>120266048Another possibility is that he was damaged before he even got to earth and got separated from his group. Ending up on earth completely by mistake.
>>120266048I think it means the aliens self-destructed in war, the giant being the sole survivor. It kinda works as a cold war metaphor
>>120256572theres no way it was in the 50s, because they showed a 1959 cadillac eldorado in the junkyard
>>120259587>that's an example of the biggest fuckin explosion we could make under zero limitationsActually the creator of Tzar Bomba limited the amount of fission reactions that detonated it. The original design called for 2 more fission reactions which would have made it theoretically larger by an exponential of 2. It's probably a good thing they toned down the yield because it may just have cause worldwide damage at that size.
>>120267425IIRC they calculated, after assessing the Tzar Bomba explosion, that the original design's blast would have literally blown a hole in the atmosphere and caused a global magnitude 6.0 earthquake.
>>120267297its suppose to be, don't you remember the beginning of the movie happens just right after Sputnik is launched.
>>120268063man the movie is too good for me to care about the little historical inconsistencies
