So it's all Rocko's Modern Life's fault, huh?
>>119158822That's like saying it's Franz Ferdinand's fault for the Holocaust
>>119158822Kyle worked on Phineas and Ferb?
>>119158822I thought Theoup Van Orman first worked on Rocko’s?
>>119158915But if you went back in time and killed Joe Murray to stop Rocko from ever being made, and thus causing certain people to enter the industr, leading a chain reaction of other people getting their big break, would that not drastically change what shows would exist right now in the present?
>>119158822Uncle Grandpa deserves a spot up there. Pete learned a lot from his time on Chowder.
>>119159016They'd probably just find other shows to work on.
>>119158822These trees are stupid shit.>I worked at McDonalds part time while I was in med school, therefor everyone whose life I save as a doctor its all thanks to McDonalds
>>119159219It's more like, "I got my big break thanks to a spot on Jay Leno in the 90's, now I'm a huge comedian", which is very realistic for Hollywood careers.
>>119159092And Tig n' Seek should stem from there, the same way The Fungies! should stem from Clarence.
>>119159219I mean it makes sense. Contributing to a show gives you a good case to run your own.
>>119158822Why do the animations gradually get gayer as it goes down?
>>119159219>the fast food industry and the medical industry are the same industry Yeah, you might wanna rethink that one
>>119158822mmm rocko and spongebob were beasts of the 90s, more in tune with ren & stimpy than any of the mentioned there. Angry Beavers, now that's an oddball.Strange how phineas and ferb never has any children series outside magiswords.
>>119158822>OK K.O.! could've led to Trick Moon R.I.P.
>>119158822I kind of like this chart to show where all the show creators came from. Now that we are at the start of a new decade, this chart is gonna be bigger.
>>119158964>>119159589Psst, hey, take a closer look at the colors of those arrows. The only show to stem from PnF was Milo Murphy's Law (and pic related).
>>119159701looks like a flash animation
>>119158915>I'm just a crosshair
>>119158822Yes. And if you kill Walt Disney nothing od this ever happens, and if Colón doesn't reach America it also doesn't happen. And if Black pleague kills all europeans it doesn't happen
>>119159738It's pitch bible art. Not an official promo image.
>>119160734Still, it would be nice if these cartoon pitch bibles could be made by people who had least had some basic understanding of art and color theory? Even if it's 101 shit. It would be one thing if they were amazing writers with no artistic talent pitching these shows, but they're not. They're non-artists and bland writers who get the chance to run a show and heavily depend on their crew to carry their ass.
>>119160879pitch bibles probably need a lot of drawings done fast and there's no telling if the concept would be picked up no matter how good the art would beits probably standard practice for pitch bibles to just be mostly doodlesyou gotta remember most cartoonist aren't illustrators, doesn't mean they don't know how to draw, they're just trained differently try getting a concept artist to draw people and you'll understand how uneven most people's skills are
>>119161090But I'm not asking for full illustrations or complex concept art. I'm asking if people who were interested in making a cartoon could at the VERY LEAST draw something like pic related: Simple, charming, basic understanding of design, appeal, composition, and nice colors. All wrapped up in a very easy-to-do doodle package. I just think it's absurd that there are so many people who want to showrun a cartoon and can't even draw a flour sack. It's like wanting to be a conductor and knowing jackshit about music.
>>119161187you aren't seeing how often Schulz fucked up and drew his characters way off modelhe had the fortune to be a newspaper artist and only needed a strip every weekpitch bibles need a lot art quick
>>119159016yes but rocko's modern life isn't meaningfully related to all these other shows. It was just a part of a long sequence of events that created them
>>119161469>pitch bibles need a lot art quickPitch bibles can be made over the span of months to years. They're not turning around a quick weekend-only freelance gig, you know. It's not unusual to hear that someone was putting together a pitch bible for half a year before sending it to Disney. Are you really going to imply that if you gave someone who could at least doodle very well a month to put together a pitch bible with art that is only as complex as pic related, that wouldn't be enough time to fill up a few pages of characters, backgrounds, and write out episode ideas?
>>119161670well it clearly depends
>>119161771yes and noits an effect of the industry being gate keeped by the rich people in the industry are there because they can be there, not because they really want to they're unhappy living your dream so they decide to taint it to feel special
>>119161827> by the richOr just ask your working hard family to pay your tuition. Look at pic related.
>>119162016what is he even saying here
>>119162150He's lamenting that money matters and that he didn't get into the college he wanted
>>119162181he did though
>>119158822Random question but does anyone know the name of the font for the creators names towards the bottom (like in Rebecca Sugar and Pendleton Ward)?
>>119159616I'm still mad. I actually enjoyed that pilot.
>>119162181This anon is right.>>119162263Alex went to CalArts even though he lived in a single parent household. Complained about financial aid while going to one of the top art schools.
>>119162830he didn't come from a single-parent household
Someone do a 2 Stupid Dogs one
>>119158822Are you saying the show Rocko's Modern Life was the main root of all of this?
>>119159589>SpongeBob>beast of the 90sIt premiered in like 99. Its a beast of the 00s, retard.
>>119158822>Adventure Time resulted in Over The Garden Wall, Summer Camp Island AND HildaWhy are we mad at AT again? Sure it spawned OK K.O. and subsequently the furry vore show. But three is better than two.
>>119158964Claiming that shit like Magiswords is descendant from Phineas and Ferb is retarded. Kyle has been bouncing around the idea for years before Ph&F exists. Kyle's style is an Animaniacs knockoff and would have existed with or without Phineas and Ferb.
>>119158822No, it was the networks for giving so many people their own shows in such short spans of time.
>>119163625It had two lesbians that /co/ seems to think took up 90% of the show's screen time in the later seasons
>>119164109>Kyle has been bouncing around the idea for years before Ph&F exists.Dan and Swampy were pitching Phineas and Ferb as early as 1993.
Wait. These two don't figure into this AT ALL?
>>119161670You do realize that the executives that review pitch bibles don't give a rats ass about the quality of the art in said bible right? They just want to be able to see something, anything, they're not the creative types, you could have a pitch made up of half assed doodles as long as you're able to sell them on the show.
>>119158822At a certain point isn't this just the old "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon" thing? You could probably get a similar chart by picking a number of other shows as a starting point.
>>119158915No, no, no. The Jews are at fault for the Holocaust. If they weren't in diaspora in the first place, it would never have happened.
>>119158822Some months ago we discovered 6 roots in current modern cartoons >Beavis and Butthead >Doctor Katz>Moxy show>Ren and Stimpy >Rocko's Modern Life>The Simpsons It's notable that South Park and Rick and Morty are from people who has made their own school. Also for some of them we can find their roots in Fleischer and Disney
>>119159616Thanks is not gonna happen.
>>119158822No, Pendelton Ward should be put into guantanamo bay for his crimes against animation.
>>119158822Is there anything you actually like? Or are you just here to complain that you aren't 6 years old anymore?
>>119164890R&S spawned Ripping Friends and APC. Many of its artists created pilots for Nick and CN.
>>119168096This fucking sicko, someone should've stopped him.
>>119158822Ren and Stimpy should be at the beginning, not Rocko's. Even RML itself was inspired by Ren and Stimpy.
>>119158822>Only four Nickelodeon shows on that listWhat does this mean?
>>119168466Not a lot of original IPs produced over there. 70% are reboots/spin-offs/revivals/adaptations, while the other 30% are short-lived original Nicktoons typically created by rando cartoonists whose pitches for the Nick Shorts Program miraculously made it through development hell. Monsters Abroad could've easily been a part of OP's timeline, and I'm still waiting on that Planet Panic full series pickup
>>119158822Mitch Schauer was involved with cartoons long before Rocko, though.
>>119168933I heard from behind the scenes rumors that Planet Panic got picked up but they're working to see if it should be in the form of one 22 minute episodes or two 11 minute episodes. I hope they don't shove it onto Netflix. Their recent president seems to have a hard on for Netflix.Side note, i also hope they pick up Harpy Gee and Space Mission: Danger.
>>119169187 Why would making it a Netflix exclusive be a BAD thing? Don't we want to make it as accessible as possible? I know Glitch Techs's situation was Nick's way of cutting off the show without giving it a chance, but other cartoons like Hilda or the HBO Max exclusives (live-action ones, too) can easily succeed via both streaming and good marketing. I WISH I could directly support It's Pony, but it'll just be heading toward purgatory at the rate we're going.
>>119158822These charts are worthless because the connections are so loose that you can arbitrarily pick literally any older cartoon to be the root of all modern shows.
>>119169358Netflix is becoming Nickelodeon's new Nicktoons channel. Dumping everything they have no faith in onto there.
>>119169395>everything they have no faith inSo all the good cartoons?
>>119169395But WE can prove Nick wrong by actually watching and supporting these shows. Rise of the TMNT could've benefited from being on Netflix since Day 1. Nielsen ratings are outdated and pointless.
>>119169572Supporting the shows on Netflix will only make them loose more faith in their networks
>>119169670Good! These networks need to get the memo that streaming is where it's at! Cartoon Network's got the right idea producing a bunch of new shows that go straight to WarnerMedia's own streaming service.
>>119169873These companies are going too far too fast. They'll crash streaming one day soon. Most likely sometime this decade.
>>119168933So I know of the Rugrats reboot, the Kamp Koral show, and Baby Shark but what are the other shows shown here? Like the Sheen-looking kid between Phil and Lil, or the weird looking cloud-thing, the pirate kids, and the green chef puppet?
>>119170090 >doesn't know Big Nate Read up on this legend, anon. The others you mentioned are Middlemost Post (an original Nicktoon created by John Trabbic III, a NuSpongeBob and PGBC board artist) and Santiago of the Seas (created by Niki López, a color stylist on The Fairly OddParents! and Harvey Beaks). I'm not sure who the green puppet chef's supposed to be, but the Variety logo's supposed to represent Nick's new Star Trek cartoon.
>>119162016so alex is a spoiled d-bag huh?
>>119158822People who worked on one show also worked on a previous show!I will never understand these stupid diagrams.
>>119170890It's showing how various individuals did work on some given show, and then while doing so made contacts that they would use to either make or work on some other show. This is how networking in the real world works. The idea that people do everything in a very coherent and concise way, usually by explicitly stating that they want to do X in a public manner, is a media fiction. That is not how the real world works.
I love cartoons
>>119159616Good. I’m sick of “this show is good because it’s cute” crutch.
>>119172842But it was also funny
>>119173224cute and funny, you say?
>>119162876He never mentions his dad being his inspiration and what fond memories he had with him. What I heard was that his dad was a drug addict criminal who abused his mom to the point of running away.
Did Mitch Schauer even work on Rocko? He's not in the credits in any episode
>>119159701>>119159738When that show comes out, we can have a better opinion.
>>119168933>still waiting on that Planet Panic full series pickupFucking hell, that show could be something great (and they could make toys off of them too).
>>119170042Are we looking at a remake of the internet bubble bursting?
>>119159760the song isn't THAT bad, sheesh.
>>119168933 Nick could've had their massively popular original cartoon that skewed around a slightly older demographic long before Amphibia and The Owl House became the Top Modern Cartoons™. It's almost hilarious just how badly they botched this one up. Almost.
>>119175949Here's the updated poster btw
>>119175949Nick's biggest problem is that for some reason they refuse to grow up with their audience.
>>119165031This is pretty much the only correct one I've seen. A lot of people don't know that John K and Joe Murray were the two major advocates of storyboard-driven animation in the early 90s, back when the method just wasn't done (and most people who worked with John K wanted nothing to do with his methods after they got done). Spongebob and Adventure Time are the two series that really popularized the production format. Joe Murray really is the sole reason storyboard-driven cartoons are a common thing today.And contrary to popular belief, late 90s shows like Dexter's Lab were NOT storyboard-driven (the post-revival seasons were, though).
>>119176103Bingo. Nico Colaleo once mentioned the requirements Nickelodeon had back when he first tried pitching Ollie & Scoops: >It had to star two best friends. One had to be the "smarter" or more grounded of the two, the other had to be the "dumber" or wackier one. If the characters were animals or creatures, they could be any age as long as they were childlike at heart, and if the characters were human, they had to be children. And that was it. They basically wanted another Spongebob and Patrick. And while this dynamic does come off of practically every new pilot they release, the ones that actually try to be more than "SpongeBob 2.0" always get ignored and the creator loses their rights to said pitch. Nick really needs to be open to more variety among their original animated content, or else this reliance on SpongeBob will continue to be their creative downfall.
>>119176491This honestly depresses me as a guy who grew up on Nickelodeon and have been inspired by their cartoons to make my own scripts. Hilariously enough on of my ideas involved a smart and a goofy going to a supernatural school character but after i realized the two couldn't make enough episodes by themselves i decided to make it about the entire school and have each episode focus on a different student and/or staff. Reading that just makes me feel like my improvements would mean nothing to them.
>>119164890R&S spawned Cow & Chicken which spawned Billy & Mandy which more directly spawned Chowder
>>119158822Lists like this should also track when shows had a huge amount of crew from a previous show even when the creator had no involvement (like a lot of the Uncle Grandpa crew was on post-Movie Spongebob, most of the Fish Hooks crew spawned from Chowder and Flapjack). You'd also see some more interesting family trees if you tracked all the stuff the creators had worked on (like yes, Hisrch worked on Flapjack, but Gravity Falls more directly spawned from Fish Hooks)
>>119159760Who took him out?Don't say you don't know.
>>119176773>Hisrch worked on Flapjack, but Gravity Falls more directly spawned from Fish Hooks That's a good point actually. Most Flapjack alumni either joined Pen on Adventure Time or JG on Regular Show. Gravity Falls was mainly staffed with newcomers and Hirsch's buddies from CalArts. Outside of directors like Rob Renzetti, Aaron Springer, and Stephen Sandoval, the only main veterans on the show were Josh Weinstein, Tim McKeon, and Carl Faruolo, the last two having come from—you guessed it—Fish Hooks.
>>119177169I miss Tumnus Hirsch
>>119159092Hoo-boy, Mrs. Browngardt is quite the looker. We've all got a chance, fellas.
>>119177982It's literally just the hairline. Pete's not too bad as far as guys go. Plus, a fun and likable personality can go a long way, which is something many anons need to be reminded of.