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>Clam eaters get two cartoons about clam eating.

>Dicksuckers get none.
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>>116658090
>>116658090
You have to do something worth telling a story about before one start making a cartoon about your life.
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>>116658090
There are literally hundreds if not thousands of cartoons featuring females who are attracted to men and would thus likely suck dick though. In fact I'm pretty sure that some of them outright make dick sucking jokes regarding at least one woman.
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>>116658090
Shiro from Voltron (He is part of the main cast).
Adam from The Hollow.
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>>116658090
what about us motherfuckers
we ain't got any either
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>>116658117
But Voltron is not about being a dicksucker. It's just something thrown in there to appease the tumblr crowd.

Also the Hollow sucks anyway.
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>>116658126
Close enough?
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>>116658126
I'm sure theres some Anime out there about how cool incest is.
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>>116658090
Between she-ra and owl house, it seems that gays are trapped being cute background dad's, but not romantic leads.
Nobody wants to think about two young Chad's sucking each other's dicks. They want to think of two elderly gentlemen holding hands at their son's recital
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>>116658142
It's part of the character's history.
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>>116658153
i don't want to watch anime you fuckin weeb
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>>116658090
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>>116658090
gay people are gross and so are lesbians who are not super models. the only acceptable homosexual relationships in media is lipstick lesbians, fat hanna gadsby looking motherfuckers need not apply.
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>>116658160
>Nobody wants to think about two young Chad's sucking each other's dicks.
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>>116658160
I guess it's easier to have gay female leads because lesbianism is already fetishized by a large portion of dudes so it's easier to swallow.
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>>116658090
Dicks are only a source of comedy, in wholesome family entertainment. Such as being kicked in them.
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>>116658176
Benson is the only Chad in this pic.
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>>116658090
Plenty yaoi anime that feature cocksuckers only. Made by women for women too, so cunts can't complain.

>inb4 'hurrr I don't watch anime'
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>>116658169
This show's gay?
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>>116658090
'Dicksuckers' already got the origins of Western philosophical tradition and prose.

We live in an era of female liberation and empowerement, you shouldn't be surprised that the arts of the era follow it's ethos.
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>>116658236
Too bad so much of it does the Seme-Uke thing with an older man.
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>>116658289
Since when Clam Eating is about female empowerment?
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Pearl never got to eat the clam she wanted.
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>>116658346

>Be a slave.

>Get Horny over master

>Master doesn't spare coochie.

>Master instead spare coochie to unemployed loser.

Why hasn't she killed herself yet.
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>>116658403
>coochie
Are you from 2018 twitter
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>>116658300
That's because a large part of the audience likes the Seme-Uke thing with an older man and wants the Seme-Uke thing with an older man, just like the capeshit audience likes big boobed heroines in tight costumes and wants big boobed heroines in tight costumes. Stop trying to take away what people like. You sound like the type of whiny cunt who bitches at people liking what she doesn't like.
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>>116658413
That's quite a lot of assumptions you've strung together, starting with believing that I'm a woman.
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>>116658433
You aren't the first of your kind to post here, stupid.
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>>116658462
Why are you so upset, sweetie?
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>>116658403
>Tumblr says that slaves can't consent
>Tumblr also desperately wants a slave to have sex with her master
Literally what did themstdve memest by this.
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>>116658470
Don't try to derail the thread.
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>>116658479
But they're lesbians so it's non-threatening slave sex.
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>>116658488
I didn't bring up yaoi, retard.
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>>116658488
Not that anon, but derailing it from what?
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>>116658488
This thread was never on any rails to begin with, let's not kid ourselves here.
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>>116658498
OP lamented the lack of cocksuckers in animation. Yaoi is full of cocksuckers and zero clam eaters, so it's on topic. Your personal tumblr grievances with animated cocksuckers made for clit stroking isn't the topic here though, go bitch about your fat white woman problems on tumblr. Got that sweetie? Now shut up and stop derailing the thread.
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>>116658545
Nah, I'll do what I want haha :)
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>>116658540
I disagree. OP is clearly complaining about dyke dominance in western animation. What are you going to do about it?
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>>116658090
I-i just want catra to get a power sword and be she ras real skeletor
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>>116658545
>there aren't any good male/male romances in animation
>well there are in anime
>yeah, but those mostly follow this weird seme-uke relationship
>OOOOOOOOOOO MMMM GGGG STOP DERAILING THE THREAD TUMBLR TUMBLR TUMBLR

It's rare to come across someone as thoroughly retarded as you, even on 4chan.
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>>116658241
tch bros before hoes my dude
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>>116658602
She has the staff in the intro that she never used
And the whip that she gets rid of
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>>116658585
Nothing, I disagree with your disagreement and am now replying to your post in a fruitless endeavor to take up space and waste time.
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>>116658616
I don't see the word 'romance' in OP, why are you projecting?
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>>116658637
That's the best you can do? Concession accepted. Probably one of my easiest victories on this site, but I'll take it, thank you.
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>>116658633
As long as it bumps the thread for even more fruitless endeavor I'm down.
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>>116658187
>lesbianism is already fetishized by a large portion of dudes so it's easier to swallow.
If I knew that cartoons would have got like this I would have stopped my lesbian fetish 10 years ago
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>>116658645
Are you talking to yourself? You're not making any sense.
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>>116658656
Based and deconstructive nihilism-pilled.
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>>116658625
but imagine the possibilities and power
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>>116658660
>I-I don't even know what you're saying any more haha..
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>>116658669
I never knew how much I wanted Catra as Vergil
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>>116658585
>What are you going to do about it?
Find some tissue and open my zipper?
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>>116658585
Probably jack off to Pearl getting mindbroken by her first penis.
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>>116658616
Looks like you can't read.
>>116658236
>Made by women for women
What does this mean? It means it appeals to women. It appeals to the women who create it and it appeals to the women who support it. That's how all fiction works, by the way, it appeals to someone who creates it and supports it.

Your complaint boils down to 'but it doesn't appeal to meeeeee' well cunt, deal with it. I don't see you paying people what they want to create what you want. Like all cunts, all you can do is whine.
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>>116658678
Thanks for admitting that. Now shush, adults are talking.
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>>116658413
Triggered?
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>>116658708
Nah, I'll do what I want, haha! :)
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>>116658695
Oh wow, another one! Two retards for the price of one!
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>>116658686
>>116658694
You ain't gonna see that in the cartoon though, most probably.
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>>116658764
I mean SU is finished so no shit, still gonna jack it.
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>>116658757
Name-calling shows you have no argument.
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>>116658777
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>>116658695
>I don't see you paying people what they want to create what you want
Applies to OP too. He wants cocksuckers in cartoons but isn't willing to pay the costs to have cocksuckers in cartoons, so executives go with what sells.
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>>116658313
You misunderstand my point. A work doesn't need to be empowering (even though I'd probably classify a bunch of classic yuri which SU is heavily inspired by as such) to be a product of empowerement. Our society has, from a histotic point of view, recently started to see women as an equal, important group to men, and this train of thought is especially popular among the youth, so you'll see more at it in forms of entertainment targetted at the young, such as cartoons.

Essentially, an increasing amount of works about women, for women, or by women are being made, which is reflected in the amount of lesbians in your animation.
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>>116658187
Unironically this, the main reason why wLw relationships can get away with it it's because it's way more normalized than male homosexuality but you will never heard a lesbian admit it. Show me a cartoon in which 2 of the male leads end in a relationship then I'll believe that the creators had guts.
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>>116658871
Show me a cartoon in which 2 of the male leads end in a relationship
>>116658236

>inb4 anime doesn't count
Well then, sounds like America is the problem.
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>>116658905
>Show me a cartoon in which 2 of the male leads end in a relationship
That's literally what the person you are quoting was asking in the first place.
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It's only a matter of time, She-Ra was the first time the protagonist ended up in an explicit lesbian relationship (no, Korra wasn't explicit) and it just ended.
It was the same for tv, iirc Whedon was one of the firsts to bring lgbt relationships in mainstream tv with Buffy, and now we have plenty of gay male relationships in tv shows.
/co/ is going to bitch about it regardless.
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>>116658948
Anime where at least 2 of the male leads end in a relationship:

https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/28/Shounen_Ai


>inb4 b-b-b-b-but anime doesn't count
America
is
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Problem
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>>116658864


Alright, but in order for a group of people to be empowered, should the other ostracized group be depowered as a consequence?

You mentioned that gay men have the beginning of time and philosophical idealisms. Okay, but how does that really affects the world today?

It feels like you're putting less importance in a specific group to enhance the other, which is not something I'm down for.

It's great that women are now empowered and can make good representations of even smaller groups. But equality should also apply to gay men who have been just as demoralized and underrepresented as women.

Saying that "There were gay men in Rome" or something does nothing to the issues we have today.

I can see your point that empowered women working in shows would normally mean more women-oriented stories.

But in that case I feel like gay men in the business should also be able to tell their stories for the youth, but unfortunately that's not the case.
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>>116659000
How many cartoons are about Male gay relationships?
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>>116659018
How do you know? You talked to a gay dude in the industry who was barred from airing his gay dude show despite having everything it takes to create it?
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>>116659038
How many cartoons about VEGAN gay male relationships? As a vegan, I don't feel represented.
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>>116659054
Nice deflection.
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>>116659038
Right now, not many, as I said, lesbian relationships are the first that get normalized, and with cartoons it only happened very recently and it wasn't without its struggles.
But things are already changing with gay men thanks to shows like Kipo or The Hollow.
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>>116658117
Adam is the only canon gay I care about.

Shiro was just too much of a boring super soldier for me, but I only watched 2 seasons. At least he had the benefit of being an actual character.

>>116658176
These two are the worst. The other guy is literally a Benson clone with even less personality, and also a slut who already gave Benson a cheek kiss after three 5-word sentence "conversations"
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>>116659038
You know why yaoi is successful? Because women started drawing manga that sells, and manga that sells gets an anime to boost sales even more and make lots and lots of money for the producers. It's called return of investment. How do you guarantee a cartoon about gay male relationships will make a return of investments?
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>>116659065
Vegan representation matters.
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>>116659075
That's the thing though. Although it had struggles. It's much easier to normalize feminine homosexuality due to the world's mindset.

Feminism is a very marketable thing right now, that new awful song in Live Action Aladdin shows that. So while there is struggle, they at least have the terrain to work on it.

Gay men aren't really that easy to market to a wider audience.
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>>116659153
So you want men to stop fapping to lesbians? Because that's what you're complaining about. Hey everyone, stop masturbating to lesbians because >>116659153 is upset you like seeing girls kissing.
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>>116659103
>How do you guarantee a cartoon about gay male relationships will make a return of investments?
You are basically saying that people won't invest money in something that might bring back money, because investor aren't sure it will actually bring money, despite precedents existing that it actually could.
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>>116659103
That's the thing right? The terrain of the current world makes gay women more easily marketable. Because feminism is a good thing for a lot of people, so it provides the tools for lesbian representation.

Gay men just aren't as marketable in the west and that's what I find it a shame.
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i'm a total /toy/ fag and if gay cartoons mean gay action figures i'm all for it bros
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>>116659153
That's why I said it's a matter of time, it's going to get normalized as well, especially with the help of Netflix, who doesn't really care about appealing to a wider audience as long as they can get a specific audience to subscribe.
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>>116659187
No, I'm not saying that, I'm asking you how you intend to make your Gay Male Cartoon profitable. What are these precedents? Your whining suggests you want Real Gay Representation, so yaoi doesn't count because it's made to fulfill women and it's not in any way representation of Real Gays.
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Characters to busy dying of AIDS and anal cancer.
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>>116659187
Not the Anon but to be fair that's pretty accurate.

A lot of investors are trend-chasing cowards.
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>>116659192
>yaoi
>lesbian representation
The fuck is this retard talking about?
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>>116659215
I feel like I'm a bit more skeptical in that regard.

Maybe in the future, but I'm hardly expecting it any time soon.
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>>116659192
Anon... yaoi is male on male sex. Women who write yaoi write male on male sex. Lesbians have nothing to do with it.
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>>116659249
I know your brain let can't let you process more than 20 words at a time. But I suggest you to take the two hours of brain processing to actually see what's being discussed.

Oops sorry, too many words. Let me rephrase it.


Read good, see talk, digest words.
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>>116659285
>brings up lesbians in a discussion about women sexualizing men
>gets rabid when called out on her nonsense
'sup hole.
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>>116659281
He asked a question as to how a cartoon about gay men would get profit.

I answered that the west is easier to market gay women than men.
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>>116659265
I'm not. Tbh, Benson and Adam are already better rep than the hot controversial mess that Bubbline and Korrasami were.
But to make a gay relationship as popular as those two couple were we need something like a western Yuri on Ice. Which mostly appeals to women tho.
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>>116659306
Depends whether you consider yaoi "representation" or not. It's extremely easy to market yaoi in the West.
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>>116658241
It's aggressively gay for a show that hasn't done anything technically gay.
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>>116659328
Ironically those make it more difficult to market yaoi (and therefore homos) in the west are alphabet people who don't feel special enough and want their own special unique representation.

Japan has no such bullshit, and you see the result. There's manga for every niche, homos included with geikomi.
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>>116658187
You see I hear that over and over and over but is anyone really into that anymore? I feel like they all died out once real lesbians became a thing.
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>>116658241
The dude that made it explicitly said it is not gay.
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>>116659018
I wasn't trying to make a statement for right or wrong, it was an observation of why things are as they are. I'm aware there are many issues within the animation industry, but ultimately a form of media is merely a tool shaped by the society using it: in order to treat animation, you have to first treat the society.

>Okay, but how does that really affects the world today?
Our Western society is mostly built upon thoughts a bunch of ancient Greek men had, so a lot. I'd say that Plato's dialogues have a way larger importance and effect on today's world than the two cartoons in the OP do.

There's also a large amount of media featuring two male main characters and centering around their feelings for each other, which might not be lust or love, but often things like aspiration, compassion or envy. Now, the modern concept of 'love' as a purely lust-related concept is a fairly recent, and I honestly don't expect it to last as the times ultimately are to change, however many centuries it might take. But we happen to live in today, and have to deal with the world of today. Such is life.
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>>116659408
How dare he! That heteronormative cis white male deserves to be CANCELLED!!11111!
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>>116658488
There are no rails on the thread, we're plummeting off a cliff fist fighting in the dinner car for egg salad sandwiches.
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>>116659428
Egg salad sandwiches are white supremacism
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>>116659428
Fuck you asshole, those are my fucking egg salad sandwiches you hear?
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>>116659155
An infinite number till the end of time.
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>>116659458
I DONT EVEN WANT EM BITCH BUT YOUR CANDY ASS SURE AS SHIT AIN'T GETTING EM.
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>>116659408
He specified that badgerclops and Mao mao aren't dating. That's it.
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>>116659491
I'LL BE DAMNED IF I'M NOT EATING THAT FUCKING SANDWICH BEFORE THIS TRAIN HITS THE BOTTOM OF THE RAVINE, I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD
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>>116658090
Sure everybody’s different, but most dicksuckers I know are based enough to not give a shit and can empathize with other straight characters because they’re people. Meanwhile the only people I know who watch media about gay men are lesbians and fujos.
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>>116659370
America: WHY DOESN'T THIS THING APPEAL TO ME? REEEEEEEEEEE I DEMAND YOU CHANGE IT TO APPEAL TO MEEEEEEEEEE!!!111!!!!!!


Japan: You're a teenage boy? We got manga for teenage boys. You're a teenage girls. You're an adult man? We got manga for salarymen. You're an adult woman? We got manga for adult women. You're a woman who gets turned on watching boys fuck? We got manga for women who get turned on watching boys fuck. You're a man who gets off watching women get raped? We got manga for men who get off watching women get raped. You're a gay man? We got manga for gay men. Come on in you'll find something you like.

Why can't America be like Japan, sigh.
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>>116659081
Adam is great but now hes stuck in digi hell with just his group as actual company (well at least the adam and co we followed). And I dont think either Kai or Reeve are compatible saddly
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>>116659238
>What are these precedents?
Yaoi.
>so yaoi doesn't count
It does.
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>>116659306
>He asked a question as to how a cartoon about gay men would get profit.
Same way most shows make profit. Derivate product and good audience number.
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>>116659628
Are you the same anon who complained that yaoi panders to women and therefore you a Real Gay don't like it?
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>>116659547
>Why can't America be like Japan,
At least we faggots can marry here
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>>116659628
Yaoi is made by women for women, and it caters to women's tastes. If you want to use that as your basis be my guest, but I thought you wanted representation.
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>>116659503
So they ain't gay.
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>>116659547
Weeb
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>>116659547
>REEEEEEEEEEE I DEMAND YOU CHANGE IT TO APPEAL TO MEEEEEEEEEE!!!111!!!!!!
Not what is said.
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>>116659628
So your precedents are the animated portrayal of straight women's masturbation fantasies?
Financially it's sound, but not very LGBT.
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>>116658090
>What is Kim Possible
>What is Futurama?
>What is Star Vs The Forces of Evil?
>What is Randy Cunningham 9th Grade Ninja?
>What is Phineas & Ferb?
>What is Steven Universe?
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>>116659722
>Financially it's sound, but not very LGBT.
It's very LGBT.
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>>116659850
As a lesbian who wants stories made by lesbians for lesbians it ain't the same.
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>>116659862
Well, seeing that Yaoi is about gay-male, that's not very surprsing.

As for lesbain, we are already seeing that product like She-rah is already working.
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>>116659862
Shut up tranny you will never pass. Your just a man that likes to fuck dykes.
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>>116659881
My point is the writers should be more in tuned to the audience is all.
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>>116659850
>made by straight women for a straight women audience
>LGBT
Not even Japanese audiences consider yaoi to be lgbt. It's fetish fuel for women. Lgbt comics would be geikomi which are made by gay men for gay men, except geikomi don't have the intersectional bullshit that plagues lgbt ideology, they're just made by men for men.
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>>116659919
You're not their audience, that's my point. The audience for a yaoi artist is other women like her, not you.
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>>116659964
So it is not LGBT.
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>>116659881
Alphabet people in the west do nothing but bitch all day that schlick material for japanese women doesn't appeal to them. You even got them here: >>116658300
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>>116659950
Now we need this in the west.
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>>116659997
You already do buddy, behold the western response to Gengoroh Tagame
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>>116659988
>You even got them here
Not really. it's complaining about the age difference, not that it's only made for women.
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>>116660044
The age difference exists because it appeals to women.
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>>116658479

The two parties canabalize each other and many of the first camp had a meltdown on part with a sunken ship since it would be problematic to ship it anymore.
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>>116659919
That was never your point, your point was that people didn't want to invest in gay show because they were afraid it wouldn't make enough money, because they are not sure it would work because no one has really tried before so they don't know if it will work, which is bad circular logic.
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>>116660067
I'm not even that guy.
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>>116660109
I'm happy to post a real lgbt comic by a real gay man. /co/ has gone without Josman for too long.
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I can only tolerate homosex when it is a big manly man screwing a cute feminine bottom as the gods and our ancestors intended.
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>>116660122
Happy to see a new point of view.
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>>116660263
And that's it for issue 1! The next issues feature good ol' fisting and Tom of Finland fetishwear, let me know if you're interested.
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>>116660280
Oh come on. Josman is representation, Josman is LGBT culture.
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>>116660293
If it's the one with Twinkie House, go for it.
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>>116660332
if Josman is so great then why hasn't he made anything in the year of our lord 2018 to 2023?
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>>116659627
If they can accept their fake families then Adam can settle for fake digital cock.
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>>116660347
Because he already reached perfection, that's why.
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>>116660364
if he's so perfect then where did the second half of the comic jus tgo?
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>>116660372
Blue board.
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>>116660293
Damn, so that is what gay men like?
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Truth is the women who wrote these cartoons are disgusted by the fact someone who could have a girl without being shamed by society prefers to suck dicks
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>>116660395
Pretty much. Look up the works of Gengoroh Tagame, Josman, Jiraiya and Gai Mizuki to get an idea what gay men like.

Then adapt that into a gay male cartoon for gay male audiences.
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>>116660474
ESL?
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>>116660350
Its all based on their memories and shit though
They are the only true, complete AIs. Everything else feels too fake and fabricated
Who am I kidding anyways, he'll probably fuck kai when they get digi drunk or whatever
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>>116658090
Lesbians will always be more easily accessible than gay men or even bi men actually
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>>116658403
This show is funny, for a progressive show, it features one of the most unhealthy gay relationships I’ve ever seen
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>>116660574
The real question, is why is this the case
>>116660594
Thats literally the point, its a slave master thing, its bound to be awful, Pearls whole ass arc is growing out of it.
A better gay relationship is Garnet. Doesnt matter if R&S are too co dependent, thats the point of being a permafusion
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>>116660594
Slave/Master is hot.
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>Bara (薔薇, "rose") is a colloquialism used to refer to a genre of Japanese comic art and media known within Japan as gay manga (ゲイ漫画) or gei komi (ゲイコミ, "gay comics"). The genre focuses on male same-sex love, as created primarily by gay men for a gay male audience. Bara can vary in visual style and plot, but typically features masculine men with varying degrees of muscle, body fat, and body hair, akin to bear or bodybuilding culture.

>The use of bara as an umbrella term to describe gay Japanese comic art is largely a non-Japanese phenomenon; the term is not used within Japan, and its use is not universally accepted by creators of gay manga. Bara is occasionally conflated with yaoi (also known as boys' love or BL), but yaoi is historically created by and for women, and features bishōnen who frequently conform to typical seme and uke dynamics. In contrast, bara is considered a subgenre of seijin (men's erotica) for gay men, and more closely resembles manga for male readers (seinen manga) rather than manga for female readers (shōjo or josei manga).

Yup. Yaoi is not LGBT. Pic related is LGBT.
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>>116660640
t. african american
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>>116660661
>all gay men like bara
Not even a majority of gay men like bara.
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>>116658236
>>116658545
Read OP post again, it says CARTOON! Not animation, they are not the same and even if OP meant in general, yaoi is just shoujo but with a boy in the role of a girl; you know what they say, boy shows are for everybody, girl shows are for girls. Toriko and even Blue Flag with its odd ending are closer to what Op meant.
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>>116660748
>retard can't read
It says bara is what dumb foreigners call gay manga made by gay men for gay men. Bara IS gay men comics, and you're saying the majority of gay men don't like comics gay men make. Sounds pretty self-hating.
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>>116658090
seme-uke is just weaboo for top and bottom
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>>116659671
they aren't gay for eachother
that doesn't mean badgerclops isn't fucking other dudes left and right
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>>116660868
>gay men don't like comics for gay men
>women don't like comics for gay men
>straight men aren't interested in dicks and balls
>neither are lesbians

So how is he planning to make his LGBT cartoon profitable again given his own intended audience hate what they themselves produce?
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>>116660915
Sure.
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>>116658126
Technically also Steven Universe.
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>>116660926
Frankly I find it really based if Parker did intend to have a gay man not be gay for his best friend even if they're male.
That kind of limitation of how gay a character is you don't really see when people try to get LGBT brownie points.
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>>116658160
What the black kids father is gay? But how
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>>116661004
If this work the work of gay dude the explanation would be he fucked a woman then later discovered he loves sucking dick, like our savior Josman >>116660025 says, but since this is a propaganda show made by dumb ignorant women they probably adopted.
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>>116660748
>gay men don't like gay man comics
Well then, why are you bitching about representation when you don't accept actual representation?
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>>116661056
Never understood how you "discover" you like sucking dick. Look in the mirror motherfucker, is that something you like? Yes? Why is there a question about it?
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>>116661056
Gay men adopt.
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>>116660748
>we want comics about black people!
>black artists makes comic about black people
>Ewwwww not like that!
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>>11666120
Pedophiles adopt, you mean.
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>>116661241
Who says all gay men aren't pedophiles?
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>>116661186
Dunno anon, you should ask a gay man that.
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>>116661274
You might be onto something.
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>>116660707
>Not Hickspanic
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>>116662489
I'm stealing that now.
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>>116660025
Incest, why did it have to be incest? And parent-child to boost, at least cousins would be less disgusting.
>>116660498
Adam should take advantage of the system and make his own harem, pound the gym trainer's big ass; pound the jocks' hard asses at his school, you get the drill.
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>>116658090
As it should be. Nobody wants to see two guys kissing, not even gay men.
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>>116663078
>>>/y/
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>>116662564
https://medium.com/fat-daddys-farm/introducing-the-rednexican-56c4e7e7b4dd

Someone already beat you to it.
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>>116665231
Kek.
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>>116660661
>Yup. Yaoi is not LGBT. Pic related is LGBT.

I would argue that a lot of these boundaries have broken down over the years, since the boom in m/m content produced for hetero/closeted men.

It's a lot more of a spectrum now, especially with so many specialty magazines popping up in digital publishing
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Please end yourselves, homos
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>>116660661
>Yup. Yaoi is not LGBT.
Yaoi is LGBT, numbnut. Gay media is gay media. It doesn't matter who makes it.
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>>116665558
Not going to happen.
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>>116665607
Statistically, it will lol
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>>116659373
People still fetishize lesbians, yes.
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>>116665536
The boundaries haven't broken down at all. What's made for closeted gay dudes isn't made for women, and what's made for women isn't made for closeted gay dudes. Specialty magazines are called that because they target a specific audience and not other audiences. Sjws have an interest in muddling the waters and creating confusion but that's just blatant lying on their part, and it just pisses people off because muddling means an audience ends up not getting what that audience wants.
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>>116658090
Unlike She-Ra, Steven Universe is filled to the brim with unhealthy relationships that no one ever identifies as such.
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>>116665562
I agree with this attitude. Black characters written by white people are black. Female characters written by men are women. Fuck this representation bullshit, a man who writes a woman who hates feminism and wants to stay at home barefoot and pregnant having only white children is female media. It doesn't matter who makes it.
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>>116665754
No.
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>>116665729
>Unlike She-ra

You actually need semi-competent writing for proper relationships to be established.
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>>116665798
Too late. No taking back your own words now, thot.
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>that no one ever identifies as such.
Lapis and Jasper were never presented as being anything other than unhealthy. Sucrose herself has addressed this numerous times.
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>>116665562
Finally, the right of straight white men to write niggas and whores like niggas and whores is recognized.
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>>116665851
Never said it was okay.
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>>116665851
Looks like you're replying to the wrong Anon, numbnut.
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>>116665562
Many yaoi mangaka have spoken out against statements like this and said their works are for women only, not for homosexual men.

>Source?
https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/mechademia-2

pp. 64–79.
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>>116665953
If you consider a genre made by women for women to be representative of gay men, sure.
But if you consider a genre made by women for women to be representative of gay men that means you're a retard.
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>>116665978
No stupid, you replied to >>116665709 so I'm replying to you.
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>>Source?
Cool. Glad I can read it.

That statement deserves not just a grain but about a pound of salt, but even if your post is 100% true, then that just makes it LGBT media for women.
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>>116658090
Alright but at least Pear grew out and accepted her relationship was in a degree toxic, Catra ended up dating Adora after all the shit she made her go through
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>>116666140
Gay shit by and for the gays. Like the She-Ra reboot.
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>>116666161
For straight women, since lesbians aren't attracted to men. Since when are straight women part of the alphabet soup again?
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>>116666140
>No stupid, you replied to the anon who posted several minutes after you!
Hm.
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>>116666184
Yaoi is not for any gays at all. It's for women who are attracted to males, we call those "heterosexuals".
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>>116666188
Ignore the retards
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>>116658160
>Between she-ra and owl house, it seems that gays are trapped being cute background dad's, but not romantic leads.

I think because lesbians are more accepted or perhaps comercial on the mainstream audience, and there’s always the narrative one can pull out by making their relationship ambiguous and say until the last moment “they are just very good friends”, with gay males it’s more obvious and not as commercially accepted by mainstream audience
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>>116666211
Yeah, which is why it's not LGBT
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>>116666186
LGBT media isn't defined by who makes/consumes it. It's defined by who is depicted in it.

That all being said, I, as well as probably everyone on the planet, knows for a fact that gay men still consume yaoi media, despite whatever the hell your source says.
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>>116658160

And as >>116658187 said, lesbians are fethishied more often and are easier to swallow for some people
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>>116666275
>Black media isn't defined by who makes/consumes it. It's defined by who is depicted in it.
>Female media defined by who makes/consumes it. It's defined by who is depicted in it.
Do you agree with these statements?
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>>116666275
Wrong.
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>>116666322
>Female media *isn't defined by who makes/consumes it. It's defined by who is depicted in it.
Corrected. Apologies for the typo.
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>>116666275
The fact that X group consumes media meant and created for Y group doesn't mean media isn't meant and created for Y group anymore. It just means there's some outsiders who parasite off Y group and its media.
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>>116658160
Did anyone else find these two characters a bit regressive? Like, I know She Ra can be very campy and obvious with its gayness, but Bow’s dads felt more like stereotypes of flamboyant gay men (especially their voices). I liked their dad joke bit and they did have some personality, but I would have much rather seen just two regular dudes who happen to be a gay couple.
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>>116666353
>>116666322
She will never agree those. Intellectual honesty from a hole? Nah, she just wants to invade your space and you shut up and stop asking for things that cater to you!
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>>116658241
There’s subtext. Two males live in the same house and pretty much adopt and raise a kid. Some subplots between them would also work as subplots between couples. It’s up to your own interpretation though.
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>>116666464
Creator said there's no gay in the show.
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>>116666322
Yes. Of course.

Sorry -- you cannot "gotcha" me with this. It's simply that in those cases, a pejorative representation will get an exponential amount of public ire. But no one would, or at least should care if they're fine.
Avatar was created by 3 white guys, despite the fact that it was a show steeped in asian culture.
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>>116666275
Going by this statement, pic related is 100% black media.
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>>116666389
And who's going to stop them?
I'm not sure if you know this, but white kids in the suburbs were once a parasite into, and are now a very large market for gangster rap.
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>>116666516
It is.
It's important to know what "black media" was, when it was created by racist white people.
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>>116666475
As overused as it is, I’m applying Death of the Author here. He’s welcome to his own interpretation, just like I’m allowed mine.
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>>116666490
>a pejorative representation will get an exponential amount of public ire
And who decides which representation is "pejorative"? Females? Blacks? I don't see why their opinion should keep any importance since it doesn't matter if they don't consume a product, all it matters is the depiction exists. If white guys think it's not pejorative because they enjoy it blacks and whores can go kill themselves.
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>>116666407
>Did anyone else find these two characters a bit regressive?

I am not sure how to feel about these two shows, they deal with often complicated subjects but both shows often shoot themselves on the foot for their inability to deal with them.

Pearl relationship with Rose was toxic and at least the show acknowledged this and focuses on Pearl personal growth, but at a moment one has to realize all of her character basically keeps revolving around Rose, and it’s the same with Garnet it seems as a good relationship at first but the more you think about it Ruby and Saphite are really codependent

And with She re, I can’t believe Catra ended up with Adora, I know many claim that it shows how relationships can be “messy” but their history and relationship seemed to be outright toxic for both parties and it kind of sucks that Adora was forced by the narrative of the show to get together with Catra when there were healthier and better options she could have ended up with, and similar to Pearl it seems Catra will always correlate her worth towards Adora, I wish they had focused her arc on having building self worth outside other people and not making her be buddy friendly and in a romantic relationship with the people she hurt the most, what amaze me the most is that people hail and defend their relationship
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>>116666553
When it was good and funny
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>>116666595
>And who decides which representation is "pejorative"? Females? Blacks? I don't see why their opinion should keep any importance
Now you're just not making any sense.

If someone who doesn't cook makes a cookbook full of terrible recipes, no one would buy it. It's still a cookbook. It's just a terrible cookbook.
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>>116666534
Nobody's going to stop them from consuming a product, but artists are going to stop them if they try to pressure artists into changing what they create to appease the parasites. Gangsta rappers don't change gangsta rap to appeal to whites.
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>>116666653
I don't think I brought up once anyone having to change anything.
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>>116666578
It's not interpretation, it's how it is. Authors have the moral right not to see their work modified in ways they don't approve of as their work is an expression of themselves and their ideas, it's part of intellectual property rights.
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>>116666634
Your example is irrelevant, dude. This is more like a cookbook that caters to people who love meat, and vegans complaining that it doesn't cater to vegans.
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>>116666685
>>116665953
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>>116666713
It's not irrelevant.
A bad representation is analogous to bad food.

Your example is like gays being upset that there isn't enough gays in a show that's 100% about non gays.
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>>116666685
If nobody has to change anything, that means it's all okay, so you lied here: >>116665953 >>116666490 >>116666553
No reason to say something is racist if you think it's okay as it is.
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>>116666735
Oh, cool. Totally remember saying that thing I never said.

Fuck this Anonymous board sometimes. But especially fuck the stupid people on it.
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>>116666774
It is irrelevant. It's not bad representation of you, it's good representation of someone else's fantasies. Nothing bad about that. It's not bad food, it's food that tastes bad to you and tastes excellent to another. That another has the right to enjoy his food.
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>>116666693
There’s a pretty strict view. So people who consume media aren’t allowed to have their own views and opinions on it that differ from the creator’s, and if they do, they’re committing a thought crime?
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>>116666811
I think the problem here is that there is an incongruency in our understanding of the simple fact that racist = bad.

Not entirely surprised by this.
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>>116666840
The law is pretty lenient and allows to air your bullshit thoughts as longs as you recognize your bullshit thoughts aren't worth anything and hold no weight over the actual work, but if you insist that Harry Potter is trans, for example, JK Rowling has the right to force you to cease and desist because she did not create Harry Potter as a trans person.
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>>116666857
How is a "racist" comic bad? White people create it for white people, and white people know real blacks aren't like that. Sounds like you just don't want white people to have something they enjoy.
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>>116666940
Ya huh.
You do you, man.

I'm out.
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>>116666857
I think the problem here is you thinking everything is representation when it's not.
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>>116666995
>representation
There's a reason why the word "positive" is oftentimes added to the front of that.
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>>116666774
>A bad representation is analogous to bad food
What's bad food to you is good food to me and you have no right to take away my food. That said, if the creators state it's not meant to be representation you can't erase their intent, as their work is defined by their intent.
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>>116667033
The problem here is you thinking everything is representation when it's not. It's not representation.
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>>116667033
If a man makes a bbq and shares it with his buddies and not with you, you can't complain you weren't included and didn't get any food. He made it for other people, it was never meant for you in the first place. Now use your big brain and apply that analogy to media.
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>>116667095
Nice job adding that second sentence so the site doesn't prevent you from posting the same thing twice.

You should try again now. I'm pretty sure the stuck record defense is considered a stellar argument in some circles.
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>>116667171
We're not on /r9k/, retard. You should go back there.
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>>116667163
So basically, an exclusive film festival.
I wasn't invited to go. Would probably be ushered away if I tried to get in the door. And will have absolutely no access to the movies shown inside of it. Okay. Fine. Maybe I'll hear about what was good or bad at the BBQ on BBQ-related podcasts this weekend.

Completely not what I was saying, but whatever.

Also, thanks. My brain is pretty big.
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>>116667189
>a newfag too
You just keep giving.
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There's a problem with the idea that depiction is representation. Representation is, by definition, a person or organization that speaks, acts, or is present officially for someone else. If I, a creator, state my work is not representation in any way you have no right to twist my work into something it is not. That violates my right to the integrity of my work, that is my right to protect my work from any alteration, distortion, or mutilation as it is my work, not yours.
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>>116667253
No, stupid, your brain clearly isn't big enough. That's an analogy for all media not made for you, or any person that's not the target audience.
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>>116667268
Shoo, /r9k/.
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>>116658236
I was swamped by the absolute amount of garbage yaoi that was made back in the early-mid 2000s to the point where I never touched the genre ever agian. Did it truly get better?
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>>116667317
She hates the idea of media not catering to her while demanding no media cater to people who don't agree with her. See how she insists "everything is representashun!" despite creators stating their work is not representation of LGBT people at all.
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>>116667317
>That's an analogy for all media not made for you, or any person that's not the target audience.
No, it's really not, you know. Because you see I like barbecue. A lot of people do. If I WERE invited, maybe I would have enjoyed some of the food.

If anything, anyone who would be upset by your analogy is more akin to the analogy I made about gays in >>116666774, which is again, different from from people not liking something bad. You see, this all goes back to the racism = bad thing.
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>>116667411
No.
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>>116667479
But you are not invited, and that media is not for you. And you don't like this metaphorical barbecue because if you did, you wouldn't be bitching that this media is "racist", "not okay" and other bullshit complaints like that. The fact you complain is proof it's not for you.
>different from from people not liking something bad
It's not bad. Ask the people it's made for. They say it's good. I don't see why their opinion matters less than yours.
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>>116667551
>It's not bad. Ask the people it's made for. They say it's good.
Okay, going back to your BBQ analogy, what you're saying is basically someone is having a BBQ and serves a chewed up piece of gum on a stick. And then says, enjoy the BBQ.

Maybe he has chewed up gum-loving comrades, but most of the rest of the food-eating population would most likely say get this shit out of my face.

No one will stop him from serving his chewed gum sticks, except for the fact that no one will come to his "BBQs", and no one certainly will buy his product, which also happens to be chewed up gum on a stick.

No. That is indeed not made for me. Or most people. Because most people do not like terrible things.
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>>116667551
Cunts don't want people to be happy. If something makes you happy but makes her angry, she will completely ignore your feelings and demand everyone cater to hers and hers only. If you disagree and want the thing you enjoy you are EVIL and BAD.
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>>116667678
What's the rest of the food-eating population doing at this BBQ? They weren't invited, call the police and kick these trespassers the fuck out. Fucking thieves.

And your analogy is still bullshit because, to keep yaoi as your example, she's serving nice juicy stories her fellow chicks love, and they keep coming for more. See how yaoi sells despite not catering to homos at all and not being "okay" as per your own words, because it's got its audience that wants that and doesn't care for anything else. She doesn't need other people buying her product and she definitely doesn't need you, nobody does.

And this applies to all media, by the way. The only time someones served gum on a stick is when sjws forced capeshit writers to write sjw shit nobody wants, and make women unsexy and unappealing and not what the readers want, now that was the gum on a stick that made capeshit readers go get this shit out of my face. It's YOUR bbq nobody wants to go to, sweetie.
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This is depressing. Im gay, i dont like yaoi because it never actually captured the dynamics of the real relationships i had, observed or wanted, and it just felt like the the straight woman equivalent of lesbian sleepover pillowfights made for straight men. Its fine that it exists but its its own thing, and it feels like gay media either falls into the category of romance aimed for straight women, hardcore porn for gay men, or serious drama. Growing up i wouldve really appreciated something like what is happening now in childrens cartoons for girls, just fun shows where maybe the lead guy had feelings for another and it wasnt made into a huge thing, but i dont see it happening soon. I think there are a ton of factors that play into why lesbians get so much more representation, but im really not smart enough to articulate it so I'll just say they just seem more palatable in general to everyone. Men, women, straights, gays, parents and kids. I dont think its easy for people to separate gay men from gay sex, and all the hellraiser shit that can come with that scene
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The good news is that Stevenson's "Nimona" is going to be a movie, and those boys are gaaaay.
The bad news is that it's getting delayed, like every other movie.
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>>116668099
>I dont think its easy for people to separate gay men from gay sex
I wonder why
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>>116668130
Based Noelle.
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>>116668163
everybody has sex, gay guys on average tend to have more for a number of reasons but why would that matter when everyone's still doing it? I guess it just feels as though people treat portraying a gay relationship as explicit at almost the same level as sex, which is maybe why they keep it between older background characters and not at the forefront.
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>>116668405
>gay guys on average tend to have more
So much more in fact they dominate HIV infection rates since the 70s. That's not something that can be overlooked easily. Are you transman? You talk like a woman, not a man.
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>>116668459
>>116668405
Gay guys invented pozzing, that is having unprotected sex for the explicit purpose of getting HIV.
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>>116668480
Gay men should burn.
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>>116668459
>So much more
Anal sex creates small cuts and abrasions. Usually not large enough to be noticed.
Large enough to spread HIV.
It's the type of sex more than the amount.
Wear a fucking condom.
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>>116668459
>So much more in fact they dominate HIV infection rates
Are you aware of how HIV is transmitted?
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>>116668551
That also explains why women get more STDs.
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>>116668551
It's the type AND the amount, anon. Straight guys have anal sex with women too, but they are far less infected than homos. Condoms break for straights and gays alike.
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>>116668563
You think women never do anal for their men?
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>>116668099
My theory boils down to "there is a strong connection between dykes and misandry, and the people pushing for faggotry in cartoons are dykes. The higher ups approve their lesbian submissions because gays are too yucky to be marketable."
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>>116668622
Not nearly as often as you may think, and it's certainly not the main way they have intercourse, as with MSM.
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>>116668647
Anal sex is they highest risk method to get infected for both partners, and I think you're underestimating the amount of women who do anal.
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balls
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>>116668647
>Not nearly as often as you may think
The amount of amount of infected heterosexual women is double the amount of heterosexual infected men here >>116668163. That means there's a lot more women who do anal, and they do it with the same small pool of men. 80/20 rule strikes again.
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>>116668592
Receptive anal sex is something like 20 times more dangerous than vaginal sex. It's tricky to nail down exactly how often different populations have sex compared to one another, but "this is about 20 times more dangerous. Every single time" is an extremely big red flag that the type of sex is likely to be the key factor. Additionally, these tend to be much smaller and more closed populations than is the case with heterosexuals - like dropping a few gallons of ink into a pond vs. a lake fed by a river. You'll notice the effects in the former more than the latter.
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>Anal
Why do women degrade themselves so much?
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>>116658090
People love the idea of two women fuckin'. Two men, not so much.
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>>116668723
This.
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>>116668703
>women can only get it from anal, right? This number means that all those women are having anal sex

Anon, women can get it from vaginal sex. The vagina and cervix are quite permeable to fluids. By design, in fact.
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>>116668711
All anal sex is dangerous for HIV. The insertive partner is also at risk for getting HIV during anal sex as HIV may enter the top partner’s body through the opening at the tip of the penis (or urethra) or through small cuts, scratches, or open sores on the penis.

Cocksucking is pretty safe by comparison, at least for HIV (it's not for other stds) but gay men still get infected so much, they aren't cocksucking each other a lot and having little anal sex. Don't try to defend the indefensible.
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>>116668753
Vaginal sex is still not as risky as anal sex, so to get infected double the rates of men, they gotta be using the riskiest methods.
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>>116668761
>All anal sex is dangerous for HIV.
I didn't say otherwise. But compared to receptive sex it's not as dangerous.
Receptive anal sex is probably the most dangerous type of sex outside of, like... really weird shit we don't even measure.
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>>116668777
>inb4 why aren't men as affected
Because 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men, duh.
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>>116668777
>how else can women be infected much more than men?

Anon, there's a Warren Ellis thread waiting for you if you need to be introduced to the concept of dudes that go "yeah baby, you're my one and only" to twenty different women at once.
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>>116658090
Only the meek and feeble minded like lesbians and fags alike.
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>>116668861
If you have anal sex with twenty different men you're far more likely to get HIV than if you have vaginal sex with twenty different men. You're a whore in both cases, and a lying cunt if you call it "abuse" 20 years later.
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>>116658142
>But Voltron is not about being a dicksucker. It's just something thrown in there to appease the tumblr crowd.
Couldn't you say the same for She-Ra and SU?
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>>116668905
>anal sex is more dangerous even if you have the exact same amount

Yes.
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>>116658090
Damn it OP now I really want some deep fried clam strips
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>>116668922
Given the creators of those cases I'm afraid in those cases it was intentional and sought for.
Despite sjws spewing "death of the author!" bs all the time, the author's intent is always all that matters.
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>>116658090
COME ON AND SLAM
WELCOME TO MY CLAM!
COME ON AND SLAM
IF YOU WANT MY CLAM!
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>>116668777
Men are more promiscuous than women. I always use this as more of a comedic story, but while I was still a student, there was a case of an outbreak of HIV in a nursing home in FL (I think) where about a dozen women were all infected by one super spreading elderly man.
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>>116667678
>REEEEEEEEE WITHOUT ME NOBODY WILL BUY YOUR PRODUCT!!!! ME! ME!!! ONLY I EXIIIIIIIST!!!!

I see why sjws are always trying to make things illegal. They're mad products sell despite not catering to them so they want nobody to be allowed to spend money on things sjws don't like, even when normal people like and want that product. Sjws want prohibitionism.
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>>116669354
Slam Clam Thank You Ma'am
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>>116669408
You sound like a hearty chewed gum stick proponent.
Good on ya, bro. Go on and sell your product. I'm sure everyone will love it, and you'll make a lot of money, and will certainly by no means be laughed and ridiculed out of existence.
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>>116669477
>prohibitionist
>telling people they will be laughed and ridiculed out of existence
Pffft
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>>116669560
>prohibitionist
Again, I did not imply that once.
My fault for playing around with you retards.
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>>116669589
Your posts speak for themselves and you're too retarded to realize it. Kek.
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>>116669603
>I know what you're trying to say more than you do! Kek!
Mm hmm.
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>>116669617
Keep backpedaling, sjw. And shut up about comics, by the way, we want sexy babes not your woke crap that doesn't sell.
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>>116668977
Commas are your friend.
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>>116667678
This post is a direct view into a sjw's head and her delusions. Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.oneangrygamer.net/get-woke-go-broke-the-master-list/
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>>116668721
>>Anal
>Why do women degrade themselves so much?

Is their real?

I can’t believe there are women who actually like that or who are willing to have it
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>>116668811
>Because 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men, duh

This sounds very gross
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>>116669560
The image looks so holier than thou and smug, see how they are lifting their heads slightly upward
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>>116668723
>Two women slammin' clams is hot.
>Two men sucking dick is an abomination.
That shit's older than the Bible, man. I thought everyone knew it?
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>>116658176
Kipo was great, especially cause of this
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>>116658090
you've got a point, anon. we'll get you a show as soon as we can
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>>116658905
in live action tv, kimmy schmidt has a gay male couple with a satisfying resolution.

seems that live action is more open to gay men than cartoons
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>>116668922
The entire conflict is being driven by catra's perceived rejection by Adora
Catra kicks the plodding conqust by hordak into overdrive
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>>116658236
The reason yaoi "doesn't count" is because it's really shallow porn
There's a couple exceptions like Given and Doukyuusei (and in my opinion hitorijime no hero) but it's pretty rare and even those works are mostly about the gay romance as opposed to a broader story
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>>116671193
They were the sjws of their time. Selfish, despotic, unwilling to understand another person's viewpoint.
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I don't understand the rabis sjw ITT. First she claims people should make gay cartoons because yaoi is successful, but when pointed out that yaoi is successful because it's not lgbt shit - it's porn for straight women, she rambles about representation bullshit and how yaoi is bad because it's not good representation and makes a pitiful attempt at psychological terrorism rambling your bad representation is bad and won't sell. Except yaoi sells and a lot more than actual lgbt shit? The most successful yaoi sells a lot while not giving a fuck about representation and being statedly nothing but porn for straight women. She admits this sells yet bitches at anyone who wants that and doesn't care for lgbt shit. Doesn't this bitch realize she's contradicting herself?
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Brehs... when are we going to get a cartoon that:
>has a gay boy protagonist
>who eventually ends up with another gay boy in the main cast (this part is important because so far, gay male characters only ever get to be with side characters vs. lesbian couples where both characters are in the main cast)
>and is objectively cute (while there are a few exceptions, like Shiro, gay male characters are usually unattractive like pic related)
?

Basically I'm asking for a R63 version of She-ra.
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>>116675717
I thought that was Voltron and it was a total shitfest because women are dumb and can't just shut up?
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>>116658187
>large portions of dudes so it's easier to swallos

ha
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>>116675787
Voltron fulfills conditions 1 & 3, but not 2, as Shiro gets married to a nameless literal who background character. Compare to Korra or She-ra, who get with a character in the main cast.
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>>116675205
It's rare because it's not what yaoi readers want. Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsukoi are a success and most yaoi is like those two shows because they are what they what both author and audience want.
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>>116675956
Wasn't that because female viewers were bitching nonstop about their specific preferences not being catered to? I guess dykes complain less so it's safer to make shows for dykes.
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>>116676058
My rule of thumb as a creator is that if someone complains about my work that means they're not someone who will buy my work, ergo they're not my audience and they can fuck off and die. More creators should adopt this mindset and care only for their actual audience (the people who like your work and support it) and not for complainers.
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>>116676197
That's what's happening with manga. White cunts bitching that shonen caters to males (big boobs, fanservice, female characters who aren't cunts) and shonen mangaka telling white cunts to go eat shit and kill yourself if you don't like it. I dream of that happening in the US too.
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>>116676729
>shonen
>female characters who aren't cunts
HA! Hilarious.
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>>116676876
The bitter sjw is still here, seething that the everyone is ignoring her? Embarrassing.
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>>116676897
Take your meds, schizo.
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>>116676931
You take your meds, sweetie. You've been rambling nonsense for days now.
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>>116676948
>You've been rambling nonsense for days now.
That would be you, I'd say. You sound clinically insane.
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>>116676990
>no u!
Toddler-level. This is why women shouldn't have rights.
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>>116677017
Yep, my story checks out. Get help, man.
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>>116676990
Nayrt but can you point out exactly what's been posted ITT that is clinically insane to you? I noticed posters like you always make vague histrionic statements without ever stating exactly what you find wrong.
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>>116677037
>my story checks out because I say so!
Not how it works among adults, sweetie. Go back to the toodler zone.
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>>116660129
>Doesn't like manly men screwing other manly men
that's pretty fucking gay bro
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>>116658090
It’s because gay men are boring to hear about.
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>>116677063
>Nayrt but can you point out exactly what's been posted ITT that is clinically insane to you
I make the first post ITT, commenting on shonen characters, and some angry schizo immediately assumes that I'm some sjw bitch he's been arguing with for days now. Judging by this >>116675606 post and the fact that this thread was made like 22 hours ago, the sjw bitch doesn't exist, and that anon is fucking insane. I don't have to read the thread to know it's full of stupid and crazy people, dyke hate threads always are.
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>>11667714
>I don't have to read the thread
Speaking out of ignorance is not the correct to form a judgement and makes your opinion worthless. That post you're quoting isn't a reply to you so I don't see why you're bringing it up, do you think there's a thread timer after which people can't make general comments on a thread?
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>>116677249
For >>116677147
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>>116677249
>That post you're quoting isn't a reply to you so I don't see why you're bringing it up
Which post?
>do you think there's a thread timer after which people can't make general comments on a thread?
What? You're not making any sense.
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>>116677315
You wrote:
>Judging by this >>116675606 post and the fact that this thread was made like 22 hours ago, the sjw bitch doesn't exist

>>116675606 is a comment on the thread, not a reply to you, so I don't see why you're bringing it up. You think a comment made after 22 hours after OP means something doesn't exist, and refuse to read the thread to see whether the accusation is true or not. It's simply absurd because anyone can make a comment anytime they like while a thread is still open, there's not an expiration date on comments until the thread is archived. You're basing your opinion off prejudice and ignorance and refuse to even consider the idea to check if you are correct.
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>>116677394
>more crazy retard ramblings
Like I said, this thread is full of stupid and crazy people, thanks for reinforcing my point.
>Judging by this >>116675606 # post and the fact that this thread was made like 22 hours ago, the sjw bitch doesn't exist, and that anon is fucking insane.
What I meant by this is that schizanon is crazy, since he claims to argue for days with some sjw bitch in a thread that's not even 1 day old, and he assumes that every anon who disagrees with him is that sjw bitch (who most likely doesn't exist), that's why he claims in that post that "she" keeps contradicting herself. He's been at it since the beginning of the thread, I don't have to read the entire thing to know it's him. Even if he's a different anon, this only proves my point that this thread is full of schizoid retards.
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>>116658236
90% of Yaoi suck tho
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>>116677609
What's crazy about stating that anyone can comment on a thread that's still open, anytime they like? That's a fact. You're being completely irrational trying to deny facts.

>he claims to argue for days
No he doesn't. There's no such claim in >>116675606.

>he assumes that every anon who disagrees with him is
Which post is he disagreeing with? Can you point out the reply chain?

>I don't have to read the entire thing to know
Yes you do, because you have no idea what's been said in the thread and are only throwing a tantrum out of nothing because you didn't like a post. Your personal issues are not a valid basis to form an opinion on a discussion that, you said, did not involve you.

>this only proves my point that this thread is full of schizoid retards
>this thread is full of stupid and crazy people, thanks for reinforcing my point
If everyone around you is a problem, sounds like you are the problem.
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>>116666605
>what amaze me the most is that people hail and defend their relationship
They're desperate for gay shipping and will take any shitty writing over nothing.

It's a phase, though, once having a gay relationship in a show stops being seen as unusual and progressive it'll no longer be a crutch for bad writing.
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>>116677950
>once having a gay relationship in a show stops being seen as unusual and progressive
Producers will go back to making shows without gay characters because they will look at what actually brings in a profit.
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>>116677976
Unlikely. The vast majority of people don't give a shit either way, whereas there are plenty of gays in the industry who all else being equal will tend to write what they know.
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>>116678038
The vast majority of people wants to watch shows they like, and nobody but tumblr likes a show because it features gay people. Gay writers can write what they want, and their shows can go ignored much like works by gay men that have been out for years (pun not intended) are ignored.
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>>116676197
That basically means that you won't accept any criticism.

Glad you don't actually create anything outside of your head. It would probably be shit.
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>>116678074
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. If we were on a less genteel site than 4chan I'd think you were deliberately trying to pick a fight
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>>116678089
Between 10 fans who are enthusiastic and pay and 100 internet critics who bitch but never pay, the 10 fans are the only ones whose opinion is important. There's reason why the saying goes get woke, go broke.
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>>116678122
You sound mad.
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>>116677897
>he claims to argue for days
>No he doesn't.
He sure does ---> >>116676948
>You've been rambling nonsense for days now.

>Which post is he disagreeing with? Can you point out the reply chain?
MY post ---> >>116676876
Keep up, retard.
>Yes you do, because you have no idea what's been said in the thread and are only throwing a tantrum out of nothing because you didn't like a post.
It's obviously a shitshow, like every single dyke hate thread; you've seen one, you've seen them all. I started reading this thread when it was new, and even for a dyke hate thread, it was pretty damn retarded. No way in hell I'm reading all this crap.
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>>11667820
Read carefully:
>116676948 is not >116675606 and >116675606 is not a reply to >116676876.
You're failing to prove anything here.

>It's obviously a shitshow
Your posts are a huge shitshow, yeah.

>No way in hell I'm reading all this crap
Then admit your ignorance and shut up.



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