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fucking hate fruk. honest to god if france died by having his organs systemically removed via amateur surgery england would have no reaction whatsoever that faggot deserves the worst
im not joking around
>>3795412>>3795416lol someones mad
>>3795416perfidious albion
>>3795424is that how they say fag in england?
>>3795424indeed
>>3795412Meh, I don't hate France but I don't like FrUk either.I'd rant a bit about FrUkfags but I don't want to turn this place into a war zone.
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>>3795468based. apologies I was off my meds last night. Still hate that faggot shit but I’m more collected
>>3795474the true heroes of the story
>>3795412ok but that's like the point of the ship, isn't it?
>>3795580it’s dumb as shit but for the sake of the thread i won’t go into it england should be with a real man
>>3795605like who?
>>3795610like me
>>3795613yes yes valid point.
>>3795605They're just drawings, calm ur dick
>>3795622untrue
>>3795610murica.
>>3795614thank you for understanding
>>3795479Maple12031>>3795478Pixiv ID 12560482>>3795476hounzaqwq :: Pixiv ID 19227719>>3795073ymgr64>>3795068 >>3795069ninonuko>>3795471HAMUSITAs
>>3795692thxsomuch I didn't know the sources
>>3795613I concur with the four-chinned man
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>>3795706>>3795707Sweden is a lucky man
>>3795557couldn't agree more
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warms my heart to see a hetalia thread on the first page
>>3795625>real man>americawell.... uhm
>>3796158>>3796159>>3796160I want them to have crazy hate sex
>>3796170Competitive intercourse
posted this in the other thread already, but I jus love this image so much iI have to repost it lol
>>3796278i like this pairing but i dont really think its very realistic
>>3796300vuggg what could have bvvn...
>>3796300Have you ever heard of hatefucking?
>>3796305>>3796307its weird thinking of america being the top of a country that he is actually less powerful than
>>3796313Anon, I don't want to get political but America is still the undisputed number one superpower.
need to lick his rectum desu
>>3796300>i dont really think its very realisticI know, but I enjoy the "can't live with you, can't live without you" dynamic they have going on.
>>3796300They do get along in the manga for the most part, though.
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>>3796068The natural order
>>3796313massive kek, anon, China for its impressive rise still has nothing on the US
Anyone got the source for this?>>3796300In terms of what, politics?If so, then unrealistic as opposed to what?None of these ships make sense.Germany brutalized Italy in the later parts of WWII, Russia and China have only been friendly during the early days of the CCP takeover and as of very recent, and that's kinda been put on hold because of the war, India and Indonesia are most shipped with their ex-colonizers, and Russia and America hated each other throughout the entirety of the Cold War, and yes, after liberalization, Russia may have become infatuated with America, but the feelings was definitely not mutualIf we're talking real world politics, the big ship that makes the most sense is Japan/America. They even have the classic romance structure: meet cute where big strong handsome jerk hassles pretty feminine lady, he's taken in by her beauty, but she's acting coldly. Period of long distance, lady is courted by other ikemen guys, arrogant lady loses her mind and blows up big strong dude's garage, dude beats up lady and takes away her guns then forces her into humiliating subordinate position which she initially resents ("What?! My Crush Made Me Sign a Demilitarization Pact??"), but mutual attraction grows despite it all, she gets used to her position, gets a girlboss glow-up, intimidates big strong dude with sexiness, he starts getting defensive, but attractions wins out, bygones become bygones, and they now enjoy an extremely close relationship.Just replace "the lady" with "the bottom," and we're good to go.
>>3796510True, Hetalia was never really accurate to real life History/politics in the first place, so arguing about which ships make sense and which don’t is just kinda stupid
>>3796510i just like the ships better when they make a little bit of historical sense, i think its cute, like US/UK or lithuania/poland
>>3796510>Anyone got the source for this?Herehttps://xxwdf.lofter.com/post/1d2270b8_1ccc71776
>>3796530It's fan art like this that makes me wish there was a more serious version of hetalia. Imagine if we got an actual adaptation of the French revolution or the fall of the Qing empire.
>>3796533There are some pretty fundamental issues that version would need to answer first.Here's one: what exactly is the nature of the country-people in terms of their interaction with the world and their relationship w/ the nations they represent?Like, in your serious version of Hetalia, is the wider world aware of their countries having sexy bishounen mascots, and if so, how did they find out? How could they have possibly known that this individual is the literal spirit incarnate of their nation?They've been around since Ancient Egypt at the very least, so how the hell did people come to learn of their existence?Then there's the question of how people over the millennia have reacted to learning of the existence of these eternally young, beautiful people who are the literal representation of their nation. Would they be made oracles? royalty? gods? temple prostitutes? Would there be significant differences between, say, how Assyria treated theirs vs. how Funan did?Another possible issue: would the countries themselves know that that's what they were? How would baby Britannia have known who he was? Was he just made with the inherent knowledge of his being? Or did the nations learn this through self-discovery, i.e., with the fact that they're immortal. But in that case, how would they know that their relative immortality meant that they were country gijinka, and not ... some kind of Twilight vampire?Maybe they discovered the nature of their being by noticing that when a nation collapses, the immortals suddenly die? Question is, how many immortal ancient pretty boys had to die concurrent with their states for people to start noticing a pattern?
>>3796550>>3796533These questions are relevant because they define how these characters would interact.If two nations made their mascot king, then the interactions between those two would be of governments interacting, which means they affect, not only reflect, their nation. But, if the whole country-person thing wasn't a thing anyone knew about, then it'd just be a couple of nationalistic schmucks.Another possibility: people are aware of them, but they're not in government so much as they are government.I.E., maybe their favor with a particular government could be used for stuff, possibly proof of sovereignty.For example: maybe in China, competing dynasties would scramble to take Wang Yao for themselves to claim legitimacy. If I'm feeling particularly horny, maybe the idea was that any claimant to the throne needed to "conquer" Yao to prove legitimacy.Alternatively, he could just be the emperor, or puppet emperor.Maybe during the French Revolution, they sent Francis to the guillotine, and when he resurrected, they put him in prison with Marie Antoinette. Maybe Athens was so annoying that the Athenians voted to ostracize him.There are a ton of possibilities for how everyone would fit into their societies, which means many possible ways for your "serious" Hetalia story to go depending on how you would want the characters to interact.There's also the issue of autonomy: how much of their country is a country? Do they develop an independent sense of character?This issue is relevant to answering these questions: Did Ludwig approve of the Holocaust, or was he horrified by it? How come Ivan smiles so much when most Russians think it's weird? Who did Alfred vote for president in the last election?Also very interesting: how quickly did Ivan and Alfred start hating each other after WWII? Was there a personal instance between the two, did FDR just order Alfred to stop calling Stalin "Uncle Joe," or was it like flicking a mental switch for them?
>>3796530Bless you, anon.>>3796527I need historical sense before I ship it, since real life lore is effectively a semi-official extension of Hetalia lore, and so it informs all my headcanons. But that's just me
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>>3796551>If I'm feeling particularly horny, maybe the idea was that any claimant to the throne needed to "conquer" Yao to prove legitimacyNice. Idk about anon, but I like the idea that the country-people aren't aware they're the human representation of their nations at first, but as time passes they gradually come to understand what they are. I think it'd be interesting if they started feeling sick or if injuries, bruises, and cuts appeared on their bodies whenever some type of crisis happened like revolutions, civil wars, famine, plagues, etc. That could be one way of finding out they're the representation of a nation.>so how the hell did people come to learn of their existence?I have different ideas for this, maybe some country-people wanted to stay incognito and wander around their nation just watching history unravel before them for a while, maybe others wanted a more direct approach and actively seeked out their emperors/presidents/kings/leaders. Now, idk how they'd prove they're the real deal, but once they'd done it, I'd like to think that some governments would keep it as a secret that'd only be passed on to the next rulers but if they were overthrown for whatever reason, the country-human could just introduce itself again to its new rulers, other governments could go full Vought/Homelander and advertise their country-people as the greatest thing ever. Idk.
>>3796573Based America be like
>>3796576>>3796550>Do they develop an independent sense of character?Their character would probably be influenced by their rulers. Let's take China for example, in this hypothetical version of hetalia, being under the rule of one party and being constantly bombarded by propaganda 24/7 would eventually start molding the way he thinks and sees the world. His own experiences (eg. the century of humiliation) would also be an influence.>Did Ludwig approve of the Holocaust, or was he horrified by it?Maybe he was initially horrified by the idea, but the more his government fed him propaganda the more he could've begun believing his country was justified in doing what it was doing.You know? People often see propaganda and ideology as a merely cynical cover regimes use to brainwash their people, and while that's true to some extent, it's also a way to justify their own beliefs, goals, and self-interests to themselves, eventually, they end up sincerely believing in their own ideology/propaganda because everyone wants to think they're doing the right thing.Now, of course, there will be things the country-people won't agree on with their rulers, but it's not like they can do much anyway, they're just the human representation of a country. In my headcanon country-people aren't powerful by themselves, their strength and grandeur depend on the state of their country and on how competent their rulers are.
>>3796550>>3796551Yeah, you're right but I wish we could get an episode about the french revolution and the fall of the qing that isn't a comedy.
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>>3796578>influenced by their rulers>own experiencesSo your model gives a high degree of individual autonomy to the country-people, born from the stock of their nation, but forming their own mind about things like any ordinary person?Regarding canon, that must be true, given the variance in character, but given that the trend exists where country-people tend to so often take to the (stereotypical) character and tastes of their own country, no matter the period, it might not be true in entirety.Let's imagine: baby Romano is taken away from his homeland, maybe when the Emirate took the South, and brought to the court of Tang China, where he is isolated for the next thousand or so years, eating fancy Chinese food, drinking fancy Chinese tea. Flash forward to the Communist takeover, you take Romano and have him try a nicely made pizza, with a crispy top and chewy crumb, topped with basil and good cheese, piping hot from a burning oven. It's something completely unfamiliar that he's never had before. The twist is: it has pineapple on it. And to wash it down, an espresso romano, strong bitter black coffee with a big squeeze of lemon. Would he be revolted by the pizza, or the coffee?Another scenario: scoop up Arthur thousands of years ago when he was Baby Britannia and Francis when he was still Frankish, not "French," before the two had met, before they were well aware of each other, before the Norman Conquest, before this whole rivalry developed, and drop Arthur (Arthurus?) in a monastery in Ethiopia, and Francis in the Nara court of Yamato Japan.Flash forward to the middle of the Second Hundred Years' War in the 18th century.Sit the two down in a room. Will England lunge from his chair to strangle the pagan?Given what you'd said, I feel like you'd say no to both of these.However, it'd be weird, wouldn't it, Romano scarfing down a ham and pineapple pizza, and being turned off by a harsh, acrid, but incredibly Italian black liquid?
phobso>>3796736>>3796578So, to sum up this exploration of the autonomy question, in the hypothetical case that a country-guy is separated from their native soil and raised elsewhere, would they still reflect the characteristics of their country in the PRESENT?If yes, then that would imply the influence of a supernatural mental link with the people of the nation that birthed them. They would change their personality gradually and subconsciously to be better in line with that of their nation.If no, which you might favor, then there is no psychic link, which implies that countries changing to fit the times is a result of pure enculturation, therefore, their base personality traits are derived from salient characteristics of their nations at their BIRTH.That would mean, for instance, that the Mr. God Save the Queen Arthur Kirkland we know today had an upbringing and ethnic make-up less like your average Chelsea fan or Bullingdonite and more like your average hillbilly Roman citizen of the North.Going by that route, he'd likely retain some of those Roman characteristics to this day.There's also a middle route that could be taken wherein the guys have both some degree of mental autonomy, but are heavily influenced, whether with direct interaction or not, by the whims and moods and discourses of their societies. In this scenario, our Ethiopian monk Arthur may not consciously know who this horny pagan in the silk robe is, but he's already pissed off at his face and his weirdly nasal speaking.>propaganda and ideology as a merely cynical cover regimes use to brainwash their people, and while that's true to some extent, it's also a way to justify their own beliefs, goals, and self-interests to themselves, eventually, they end up sincerely believingWhat you say is correct, but incomplete.Lemme temporarily break from the Hetalia stuff: sometimes, well, actually, most times, the process you describe goes in the reverse.
potatoserver404>>3796738>>3796578Please forgive me if you've already heard this.Ideology isn't just in formal theory from institutions that you hear about in university and read in manifestos, it's in the unconscious to semi-conscious conceptualizations of the reality held by individuals.I'd argue that the central tenet of American ideology is liberalism. Both major political camps talk about freedom as an essential good in all cases. The American liberal definition of freedom as developed by thinkers such as Locke isn't one universally held, and despite being older than America itself, it's still relatively recent. "Freedom" is severely ideological, and such discourse is made in earnest by the masses. Ideologues who trend away from this axiomatic assumption of people power=good, like iirc Thiel, are rare in American discourse.Despite a lot of propaganda bullshit Americans throughout time make about freedom that no one in their right mind would believe ("Terrorists hate us because of our freedom," "My right to own a slave is more important than your right to not be a slave"), the fact is, most Americans sincerely believe in liberty or death.And it's like that everywhere, for many ideas, maybe not to the same degree, but the general principles apply.People call it Putin's war, as if the Russians haven't been whining and whinging about Sevastopol for thirty years, as if his popularity ratings didn't rise right after the invasion. Russians didn't need to be brainwashed the way North Koreans had to be, they were simply already raised to consciously or unconsciously believe that All Will Be One With Russia because that's just how the world works, it's a "normal" idea, and unlike with weirder ideas, like Communism, the state didn't need to work hard to do this, because their role as a "great unifying civilization," like America's Manifest Destiny, it's been in their discourse already for centuries, but is ALSO being weaponized by the state for its cynical ends
>>3796739>>3796578But even then, it's hard to truly delineate where "cynical manipulation" ends and "sincerely speaking" begins, because many of the people in government may only be using these talking points for their own goals of mass manipulation, while many are true believers.Which of the supporters of the Iraq War were just money-hungry warmongers, which of them were enraged by 9/11, and needed something to unleash their anger at, and which of them seemed to sincerely believe that Saddam needed to be capitulated? It's hard to tell, they're all working together, all saying the same things! Same deal for Russia w. the Ukraine war, France Algeria, etc>>3796576>maybe some country-people wanted to stay incognito>maybe others wanted a more direct approachI was thinking of something rather similar.It'd be unlikely that prior to globalization, every country would be doing the same thing with their country-guys, or that every country-guy would be doing the same in their country, or even equally aware of the nature of their existence.Arthur could be pillaging ships on the high seas, and Francis could be learning cooking in Milan, right while Yao is sitting pretty at a council in the Chinese court, as he always does, and Braginski could be weeping in a dark room because Catherine the Great was feeling very excited that night>secretI was thinking of something very similar!This whole thing being kept a secret would be very convenient, because were it public knowledge, it'd have potentially pretty huge ramifications upon the course of history. But it being kept secret, at least until recent history, would leave history largely the same.Question is, how could it be kept secret? Again, it's hard to imagine it being a uniform thing. It's hard to hide being immortal if you're unaware of it the first time.Perhaps it could be that various shadowy powerful groups are aware of there being quasi-immortals, but not so much of them being literal, like actual genii locorum
>>3796740>>3796576I feel like different regions would have different awareness of the phenomenon, and awareness is roughly on a similar level among different groups within a region as information in well-connected regions tends to be shared.That may vary if the groups aware of the phenomenon are more esoteric.Perhaps the country-people could also share information among one another.Some European rando could one day notice that despite being 40, they don't look or feel all that much different from when they were 20, and 40 more years later, they're pretty sure they're immortal. They leave their village to avoid suspicion, and a hundred years later, traveling the continent, they see someone they recall meeting yeeeears ago still looking exactly the same despite it being more than a hundred years later. They accost them with some questions, and realize that, yes, it is them, same face, same voice, but different name, different city, different accent.They start a club, and look for other people like them to share info with, and not only are they only able to find, like, three more, but they're relegated to Europe.Here's a possible scenario I've thought up: So, what I just described happens between Arthur and Francis, and they make a friend of some Dutch guy.Arthur and Francis hate each other, but there are certain periods where they literally cannot be in the same room without coming to fists. Hollander points out that they seem particularly at odds when their respective nations are at war. Arthur brushes it off as simple patriotism but Francis notices that despite Arthur doing nothing to him personally during the Hundred Years' War, he felt pissed off just thinking of him, and starts to think there's something to it>>3796578>powerful by themselvesWell, maybe not powerful, but perhaps they are in other ways obviously supernatural.Russia, for example, has those purple eyes, and England has those uh fuckin shinigami eyes. Perhaps there are other tells?
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>>3796756I wonder what poles think about their country being a femboy.
>>3796750honestly
>>3796760I have a feeling that the Polish audience for one of the most iconic pieces of fujo media would be at the very least tickled
mekkolo, tunos, Pixiv ID 37977>>3796741IIRC, in Renaissance-era Florence, gay shit was kosher so long as you weren't yet of marrying age, and bottoming was an acceptable activity only for, like, teenage boys.I mention this because Veneziano by the time of the Renaissance was basically an unaging 800-year old twink.Perhaps he spent the Renaissance holed up at the Palazzo Vecchio acting as manservant and, more importantly, cute plaything for the entertainment of the Florentine signoria
>>3796760stop calling everything "femboy" its mad annoying and you should kill yourself
>>3796907poland likes to wear skirts and do traditionally feminine things, he's a femboy.
>>3796907It's literally canon you retard
>>3796907ok femboy
Now show me your penis
>>3796966dont tempt me
>>3796946Based Prussia
>>3796750^q^
>>3797021Deck
>>3797020>Based Prussiayou can say that twice
>>3797021Phimosis.
>>3796760Jesteśmy z tego dumni.
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>>3796740Is this the most lewd drawing Himaruya did since World Stars started? Oh yeah, I now remember that recent Japan halloween drawing from his twitter...
>>3796740need poland butt.
>>3797385I'm not the biggest Poland fan, since a. not too into femme-looking dudes, and b. not crazy about how un-Polish he is, but damn if that isn't a top-tier sexy drawing
>>3797390are you polish? what would your version of a cute anthropomorphic poland look like?
>>3797390Yeah, I know that's a very common opinion among polish fans and I do agree that Poland is probably the most inaccurate personification done by Himaruya. I find his feminine appearance super cute but it doesn't fit the real country's vibe, even when you take into account the new wave of femboy memes about Poland. I like zsocca55's take on him a lot though.
>>3797391No, I'm not even European, so when someone like me can tell that your Poland is distinctly un-Polish, then you have a problem>>3797395That is a very nice interpretation, and not all that different from the canon design
>>3795066Explain me this, is Hidekaz gay or did he just discover how homoerotic history appear to be?
>>3797540It's a funny joke anime, don't take things so seriously retardSame goes for you >>3797395
>>3797658That's a shitty ass excuse, every Hetalia character has at least three accurate traits (good and bad) related to the country they represent but Poland has been done almost as dirty as South Korea: even Himaruya admitted at some point that he was mostly influenced by american jokes about polish people when creating him. Also, how come these posts triggered your autism more than the guy who wrote those wall texts?
>>3797658I'm wondering why he made hetalia so homoerotic, retard
gay little idiots.
>>3797395Wouldn't an actual Poland just be getting dicked by Germany and Russia constantly?
>>3797745the polish-lithuanian commonwealth was actually the largest, strongest country in mainland europe, for a little whilethey also had a really interesting government that was like a mix of a constitutional monarchy and an aristocracybut yes they eventually got dicked by germany and russia, and austria and sweden too i think
>>3797708Because it's funny, like I said...
no one cares look at him
>>3797944built for BYCbig yankee cock
>>3797540It would be the twist of the century if he was straight
>>3797676>american jokes about polish people when creating himAmericans joke about Poles being femboys?The only Polish jokes I know are lightbulb and plumber and unreadable names
>>3797980>What did the Polack give his girlfriend for her birthday?Her necklace!
>>3798088I feel like I'd have to have tuned into the Dick Van Dyke show live to understand this kind of racism. Or, I could just be German
>>3798354Prussian-Nordic humor isn't for everyone
>>3798472the fuck you mean “prussian-nordic humor” average americans were making these jokes in the 80s
>>3798655they aren't making these jokes anymore
there's not enough Russia here
>>3797395Love the subtle alt-right YouTuber vibes in top right.
>>3802957>>3800701Stop spamming unrelated /pol/shit.
>>3803002I'm just saying, he really be manifesting certain vibes in that fit there. It's giving like replacement theory video essayist with that ancient statue pfp making a public appearance and turns out he's this waferwristed twink.Anyway, nice America, anon, Chinese? Yes, of course.
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>>3800698Couldn't agree more, anon. By the way, is that official art? It looks hima-esque
>>3808861Ahh, so these are the kinds of "people" shitting up this boardPlease kill yourself
>>3808395I think it is, I've had it saved on my computer for ages so I can't be sure
