Does anyone know any good forums for just discussing fujo related things?
I kinda just want to talk about shit. And it's cool that there are images here, but don't you guys ever just want to talk?
Also I'd rather it not be twitter or reddit. Just an actual forum, like fujochan but faster.
>>3745262Discord sucks desu.Anybody know any others?
>>3745264>Discord sucks desu.yes but if there is a based one with no trannies and where you can talk about cute boys and scream NIGGER, please share it. >>3745259>not be twitter or redditThis
Most fujos right now are gay shippers from non-fujo shows so they just tend to find each other in twitter/tumblr fandom spaces (twitter is especially annoying since results show up in searches, so you either have to censor the characters' names or deal with normies screeching about how they're not gay). Fujo forums are mostly inactive or centered on roleplay, so yeah >>3745262this is your best bet unfortunately.
>>3745305>yes but if there is a based one with no trannies and where you can talk about cute boys and scream NIGGER, please share it.God damn, this is all I want. When I find fujo spaces they're either woke as hell or they're antis or they're annoying. Ideally this board would just become that place but I dunno how it would be asked for and I dunno if many others feel the way I do anyway. >>3745306I guess it's just the way things are now. I hope some other anon knows of a place though... I'm tired of twitter/tumblr/discord.
>>3745327sooo... what do you want to talk about? anything specific on your mind?
>/cm/ oriented Discord servers are always either full of puriteens who’ll say you’re fetishizing gay men (even if you’re a gay man yourself) or full of /pol/shitters who constantly talk about raceI have been trying to find a server that does not fit into either category for at least 4 years, but to no avail. I genuinely hate that I can’t just talk about who the cutest boy this season is or the latest BL because I’ll either have a SJW complain about “that ship has a 2 year age gap!” or unironic Nazis who go a single week without bringing up Trump. Fuck, man.
i just recently got into bl myself and started watching anime again after a long break. i get it. i'd like to talk about it, but there's not really a place where i would want to do so. most people seem to be content with screeching their opinions at each other without engaging in any sort of dialog or discussion. so be it.
is aarinfantasy still active
>>3745341By /cm/ oriented you don't literally mean based off this board, do you? Because that's an untapped option in that case. Any of you professing to want this can set one up. Seen this done successfully with the /cgl/ artist alley general, it went fine and the same kind of discussion was continued there in a less anonymous format. Discord is not an enjoyable format to me personally but it sounds like some of you want one and just haven't been able to find a crowd like you seem to mutually desire.
do people still use IRC? i remember fujo translation groups would have their own channels way back in the 00s and stuff. i would assume anyone still clinging on to it may be a mellowed out oldfag that doesn't sperg about sjw or /pol/ shit and just wants to enjoy stuff like the good old days.
>>3745356The worst discords I've ever been a part of were spun off of /a/ and /vp/. Had to learn the hard way that the only anons who can hold decent conversations under IDs are the ones who take some weeks before confessing they even use image boards. Otherwise you get a weird mix of unfunny edgelords and normalfags who bitch about everything 'having to be gay all the time' and 'why can't we talk about my rape fantasy for the fifteenth time'.Either keep your head down until you ascertain if a server is decent or slip away without a fuss. I've opened a few that read like they were designed by 15-year-olds with too much time and noped out, but the ones with minimal channels and little to no graphics or bots? Usually keepers. Some subjects are cursed though, you're better off discussing them in servers for other series where the people are alright than trying to join the one big server everyone points you to.
>>3745338I guess ideally about Osomatsu ships currently, as I've become a little obsessed with them. Alternatively, ships in The Boys. Really I just wanna sperg about dudes banging or being cute with likeminded people.>>3745341This anon is correct. I don't mind what your political views are but the trouble is an SJW is going to be fucking annoying. And an unironic racist who goes on and on is going to be fucking annoying too. The unironic racist less so than the SJW, but that's because the racist usually doesn't think their opinion makes them a righteous protector of truth. >>3745349>I'd like to talk about it, but there's not really a place I would want to do so.Can we ask 4chan for a discussion board? Didn't some other nerds get a whole new board for extreme sports recently?>>3745352What's that?>>3745482I've heard of IRC. How do I use it?
>using shitscordFound your problem. Discord is an amalgam of the worst parts of IM services, modern social platforms, forum powertripping and avatarfags from imageboards. It's a disgusting cancer that always collapses onto itself and every communtiy it latches onto because 100% of the time its users are psychotic faggots obsessed with being relevant at any cost. Anyone suggesting shitscord should be rangebanned from 4chan for being a cancer on internet.>>3745509>Can we ask 4chan for a discussion board?About cute boys and "fujo-related" things? You can do it here on /cm/ (images may be its primary focus, but discussion isn't forbidden at all, just look a this thread for example) o on the boards related to the media you want to discuss.
>>3745509i never watched osomatsu. maybe i will give it a go. with "the boys" you mean the amazon show, i assume? i only read the comics a while back and didn't give it any second thought after finishing it. i guess i'm just done with things "subverting my expectations". and then the show changed one of the characters i actually liked, so i never bothered.when i think about it, it's kinda odd. i don't seem to engage with live action shows the same way i do with 2d stuff. i just consume them. i never knew about supernaturals rabid fanbase while watching the show. >Can we ask 4chan for a discussion board? would that really accomplish something you can't already do here or on other boards?
>>3745548Well you can discuss things here, but it doesn't seem to be board culture? You for example have to start a thread with at least 5 images, as I remember getting various threads deleted for not doing so when trying to start discussions... I would be fine doing it here I'm just not sure how many would be interested in engaging. I'm not sure why barafags get all of /y/ to post whatever they want to their hearts content (porn, doujins, discussion, manga threads, art threads, gift threads) and why /cm/ is just image threads and maybe the odd discussion. I haven't been on 4chan enough years to know why it is /cm/ is like this in comparison though. >>3745557Osomatsu is fine. I'm mainly in it for the incest ships. The humor is good in a sort of cringe way, it's not very clever and it's more of something you put on for a smile. As for The Boys- the comics are okay. The character you're talking about- do you mean The Deep, Stormfront, or who? I'd say a lot of characters were changed though.I didn't know about supernatural either. I actually have never watched that show. I'm not sure if I should be upset or not about having missed out. But I hear the ending sucked so maybe I dodged a bullet. I don't usually like shipping 3d folks, as irl men aren't as soft/pretty and don't adhere to all the gay tropes in my head. But meh, guess I can't judge those that do. The boys is an exception for me. I ship Homelander x Homelander because there's a scene where he nearly fucks himself and it's great really.>would that really accomplish something you can't already do here or on other boards?I will attempt to make discussion threads here after posting enough images, but as I said above to the other anon, I'm just not sure anyone on this board would be interested. Which is fine. But I think a lot just want to look at pictures and I just want to chat really.
>>3745509Aarinfantasy was an old website where bl manga and anime was hosted. I believe it had a forum as well. I personally never used the site for anything other than watching/reading, but think of it as a proto MRM where you could talk to people outside of the comments section
second life had a better community than anything that exists today
>>3745606/y/ and /cm/ get grouped together by the wider 4chan populace but they are very different boards with very different board cultures, and they also have different mods since they are technically on different websites. iirc /cm/ was actually created as an offshoot of /c/ while /y/ was created mostly as a containment board
>>3745606>You for example have to start a thread with at least 5 images, as I remember getting various threads deleted for not doing so when trying to start discussions...I don't see how this is a real impediment. Just post 5-6 pics at the beginning and let the thread run its course. That rule (which is mentioned in the sticky) exists and is enforced to prevent the board from being flooded in pseudo request threads like /y/ and /gif/ (two boards with similar rules that almost never are enforced, decreasing their overall quality). >I'm not sure why barafags get all of /y/ to post whatever they want to their hearts content and why /cm/ is just image threads and maybe the odd discussionThere's nothing stopping you or anyone else from making threads for the discussion of other topics. Shotafags have a main general (full of discussion), a manga thread and a doll/figs thread that are perfectly fine because they posts cute males along with the discussion, not to mention "oddities" as you call them /cm/'s draw thread and that AI thread. /y/ and other boards like /h/ and /u/ are supposed to be for porn, but as you mentioned it has lots of other stuff going because the users want it.Do you want to talk about "fujo-related things"? Make a thread for it.>I haven't been on 4chan enough years to know why it is /cm/ is like this in comparison thoughIn my experience people here are more shy than users of other boards, maybe because /cm/ is really slow compared to most of 4chan, but this is something that has been changing with the time. The shota general (the thread I frequent the most) for example was completely silent when I began to post there around 5 years ago, and now it's one of the most active generals fool of discussion, funposting and autism.
shotafags are easily the most cancerous part of this board
>>3745650True. The only thing /cm/ and /y/ have in common is that both boards are for gay and solo male stuff. Other than that, they are completely different in terms of rules (/cm/ is SFW but tolerates a bit of "tasteful" ecchi and furry/kemono; /y/ is for ecchi and porn, except for shota, furry and hard /d/ fetishes), demographics (there seems to be a noticeably larger female demographic on /cm/ compared to /y/), favored content (most /cm/ users prefer pretty boys with "anime aesthetics" while looking down on western cartoon art styles; while most /y/ users prefer more masculine males and don't mind western art at all) and moderators (even when mods are global, they are slightly more active on /cm/ than on /y/ and much less tolerant of request threads). In fact, /cm/ is closer to /c/ and even /e/ (two boards that favor cuteness over sexiness) than to /y/ (which can be seen as a 2D version of /hm/, another board where masculine men in erotic scenarios are the favorite of the users).
>>3745664/y/ is definitely more permissive of /d/-tier content, one big example is the bara diaper thread that was allowed to stay up for months recently
>>3745666 (devil trips checked)That diaper thread was a one-time case, and it was panned to the point where people cheered the guy that flooded it with other kinds of porn. /y/ in overall is much less tolerating than other porn boards. IMO the rank of tolerance to "fringe fetishes", from less tolerated to more tolerated is the following:>/c/All forms of ecchi (underwear, swimsuits, bikinis, sexy attire, and of course nudity) are forbidden. All images must contain at least one girl (solo male content is banned).>/cm/Allows very light ecchi content (sexy attire that isn't revealing, underwear and swimsuits, nipples, bulges, lewd connotations like condoms and not too detailed boners). Pics of girls and straight couples are banned (they go on /c/).>/e/Allows nudity, but men in general, sex of all kinds and masturbation involving sex toys are banned.>/s/Same as /e/ but in 3D.>/h/Allows sex and masturbation with toys, but only of the "vanilla" kind (normal human male fucking normal human female) and only if there's a woman present. Fetishes like tentacles, homosex/yuri/yaoi, futanari, body fluids other than cum and non-human characters are banned.>/hc/Same as /h/ but in 3D.>/u/Very similar to /h/ in terms of tolerance to fringe fetishes, but to some people yuri/lesbian porn is a fringe fetish too.>/y/Has a higher tolerance to fringe stuff than the previous boards, but fetishes involving shotas, furries, body fluids other than cum, body transformations and deformations and ugly monsters/beasts are banned.>/d/Allows diapers, body transformations and deformations and ugly monsters/beasts for both men and women, but loli/shota, furry, ryona/gore and gross body fluids (vomit, scat, blood) are banned.>/trash/Allows all of the above except for loli, shota and cub because reasons. Pony porn is ok unless it's cub.>/b/Allows all of the above, loli/shota/cub included, unless it involves small cartoon horses (GR15) and a mod is looking at your thread .
>>3745670You seem really knowledgeable anon. Why is shota and loli relegated to /b/? We have a thread here but it's not lewd. I'm actually glad this board isn't a swamp pit of porn but on the other hand...
>>3745680>Why is shota and loli relegated to /b/?That has been the case since 2005, when the boards dedicated to loli and shota porn (/l/ - Lolikon, /sm/ - Shota/Male and /tl/ - Torrents/Loli) were removed from 4chan and not4chan over concerns with the hosting provider and lack of enough moderators to keep users that shared illegal content away from the boards. It has never been explained why none of the other hentai and random boards allow loli/shota porn dumps even when there are more mods and janitors than 17 years ago, but some people claim that it is because moot and most of the mods hate these genres and don't want them (this could explain why /trash/ has an extremely specific rule about loli/shota, /trash/ was one of the mods' pet project to have a furry board), however, it doesn't explain why these fetishes are allowed in other random boards like /s4s/ and /bant/ (which have a different rule that forbids porn dumps in general).
>>3745680>Why is shota and loli relegated to /b/?because lolifags will spam their bullshit on every board unless they're contained
>>3745682Actually, the extreme lolispam you mention is a relatively recent event. The lolicons have always been trying to have "subtle" loli threads on /a/, /v/ and to a lesser extent /co/ and /g/, in all cases with success rates varying from thread to thread (sometimes threads are deleted after 2 replies, and sometimes they get up to 800 replies full of porn), but it was when "cunnyposting/cute and funny" and "UUUOOOHHH CHILD EROTIC NEEDS RAPE CORRECTION" memes emerged that the number of loli threads increased very noticeably, possibly because those memes are easy to exploit and propagate.This boom in positive popularity caused lolicons to become bolder and create threads more frequently, threads that became more active due to people wanting to further exploit those memes (some shotacons, for example, created their own term "willy" (short for Wild and sILLY)). This popularity boom did not go unnoticed by the mods, who added filters to prevent threads with the word "cunny" in the OP from being bumped and for a while banned all those who said "cunny" and similar terms. Of course, this only made the lolicons more aggressive with their threads and memes, continuing to this day and generating notable drama, such as the war between /g/v/ and the mods over the use of scripts to embed loli porn in images or the infiltration of /tv/ pedophiles in /v/ and /a/ threads.
>>3745606it's james stillwell. the way he fucks with homelanders insecurities by just not caring was by far the most amusing thing in the series for me.supernatural started very nice but got worse and worse over the years. i only watched it because of jensen ackles. love the guy to bits. haven't finished it either. probably should to get some sort of closure. >Homelander x Homelanderaren't the characters in osomatsu also drawn very similiar? i'm sensing a pattern here... can't put my finger on it, though...
>>3745607i wouldn't know about that. i love the art direction and the characters, but it did not translate to the ingame graphics for me very well. i do enjoy me some nice rogue-lites though from time to time. i'll consider it.
Fujochan, Choachan for kpop stuff, and you can try some of the threads on lolcow farms I think they have ongoing fujo threads on /m/.
I honestly wouldn't be against if we had threads just meant for talking in /cm/. Maybe having a thread like that will increase the activity on /cm/ and therefore encourage people to post more in the picture threads too....
>>3745758No way that would just be /r9k/ liteThis board is for images, not whining and bitching
>>3745763doesn't seem to stop you.
>>3745715I like fujochan, it's just a bit slow. Everyone's a bit bitchy on lolcow but I'll try and give it another go. >>3745763How would it be r9k? I've seen loser fujos and they're usually less of a depressing, obsessive bunch than the robots over yonder.
>>3745688I confess selfcest is the best cest. Also this comic page is hilarious. I enjoy their expressions.
>>3745786nothing to confess. i'm posting the feet thread atm. it's interesting to see how many ways to approach that topic there are and where people are coming from. would you explain to me why you like selfcest? i mean it's a topic people are fascinated by for some time now. might as well broaden my horizon, while i'm here. the whole exchange between homelander and stillwell is great. the artist really nailed their expressions and body language.
>>3745606>>I haven't been on 4chan enough years to know why it is /cm/ is like this in comparison though.Literally Hetalia. We had a period of about 4-5 years where any discussion could be banned on sight because people wouldn't stop having country wars and spamming threads with demands. Most of /cm/s oldfags moved to /a/, and then when /a/'s gotten shittier for holding BL/shipping conversations they've just vanished to god knows where. Before all that there were generals with IRC channels and everything.There was a long stretch where /cm/ was unmoderated and stereotyped as a bunch of underage girls with shit taste posting youtubers, and it completely eradicated any one distinct culture as different generals didn't want to interact too much in case people outside their thread were teenage girls. Things started to pick up during the global pancetta though and now there's less 3 year old threads lying about the board and OPs posting selfies to ask if they're cute, we even got a sticky to mimic /c/'s rules even if the OP had to keep reposting it for weeks to make it happen.>>3745680They used to be their own board(s) but were removed to prevent people fucking about posting real CP/traces of real CP. The move to /b/ was because /b/ is fast and shit would get deleted by new threads quickly before we had archives. Now I think there's some real concern about advertisers and legality because the world's much harsher on drawn content these days. Also my memory of shota threads on /cm/ shortly before the Hetalia apocalypse happened was that some fuck would constantly make "muscle shota" threads that would be thinly veiled diaper/watersports fetish shit every time, and nobody liked it.I think everyone's too divided to hold general conversations without someone being disgusted by another. The internet expanded, more anime became available to us, and now everyone can like such a huge range it's rare to find someone who fits with you. That's just the reality these days.
>>3745254Even if fujochan is very slow, please try to support it. Please recommend it to other 4chan fujos.
>>3745785Everytime there is /cm/ discussion thread on 4chan, it eventually devolves into females discussing their sex life or gay men lamenting their lack of one.These two groups will always been drawn to such threads, and by their nature, they can't allow for a conversion to persist for too long without making it about themselves.
>go to fujochan excited to talk about anime>the anime board (fandom) only gets like 2 posts a day, meanwhile the IRL blogposting boards (off-topic and fandom sperg) gets hundreds of posts a dayYeah, I don't think I'll be using fujochan.
>>3745795It's just a higher tier of masturbation. It's narcissism on steroids too, and I love a good, greasy narcissist. When I really love a character, the best character to ship them with is just a doppleganger of themselves because who else would be good enough? They're so delightful there needs to be two of them. I think outside of sexuality it's just interesting from a fic POV. There's a lot that can be done with it. Everything from an in depth analysis on the character's psyche, to horror about meeting yourself and the implications that has for the world the character is living in. I only see selfcest working for specific characters though. Like, well, Homelander. He craves attention and is weirdly obsessive about it, so I feel like it works specifically for him. I don't think selfcest would work with say, Butcher.
>>3745807Oh I remember Hetalia... I got into it briefly years ago but the fans were rabid. I remember getting a lot of shit for shipping USUK because they were """brothers""" when the majority of the world is related in one way or another...Sad that I missed a time where there was more going on here. Do you think that if I began for example posting manga threads, they would move at all? I've been getting into the work of this BL artist recently and they're really good...>>3745833I have no idea how to shill fujochan to more people to get those boards moving. In fact I only heard about it from a fujo I know, word of mouth shit. Half the internet is a cesspit so most spaces should be avoided altogether when it comes to invites...
All my experiences with fujo have been awful. I'd never identify myself as one.Do I like hot men having making love, cuddling, kissing? Yes.Am I female? Yes.Do I shit on everyone who ships characters that aren't my OTP? No I do not.Do I harass artists that draw characters that I ship gay in straight couples? NO I do not.That's all I ever see fujo do and its fucking gross.
>>3745889I'd argue this is all you see because they're the loudest people... It'd be like swearing off anime because all the fans are fat, loud, and annoying.
>>3745807>I think everyone's too divided to hold general conversations without someone being disgusted by another.isn't that the truth. i wish people could be a little more accepting of other peoples tastes, but everything has to come down to tribalist bullshit these days. >now everyone can like such a huge range it's rare to find someone who fits with you.i had this conversation with a friend recently. i basically apologized for not being able to provide manga without some bl component. it's what i enjoy atm. luckily there was a "free manga day" where i live, so i could try out different genres and suggest some of that to him.
>>3745883thank you for humoring my curiosity. it's not a point of view that is easy for me to get my head around, i have to say. not that i don't get it on an intelellectual level, but it's hard for me to comprehend the desire behind it. do you have any recommendations for a story that explores a character in that regard? horror-related would be nice. i'm reading hikaru ga shinda natsu, where an eldritch entity posseses the dead body of the protagonists friend and he is the only one who knows about it. hijinks ensue. that seems kinda in the same ballpark.
>>3745681years ago (when moot was still in charge) some mod made a statement on /a/ that loli was not allowed, even if it wasn't explicit./a/ went crazy over this and spammed the board with loli until the mod relented.
Any site with usernames and avatars is destined to descend into cliques and popularity contests and all sorts of other faggotry (pick any example you want). But it's always poignant when you find some anon in a thread who seems on your wavelength, especially if it's an obscure topic, and you eventually have to part company and never see each other again. That said, I've been "in fandom" since about 2006 or so, and I've sincerely never found any sort of public fujo-topics discussion place with usernames or regulars that was good for any length of time -- something always fucks it up eventually, if the mood isn't inherently off to begin with. I have about ten or so people I regularly discuss BL, anime, etc. with, and I picked them up one by one in all sorts of places, often very miscellaneous ones.
>>3745886There needs to be some kind of large scale migration to fujochan.
>>3745833be the change you wish to see, nonnie. Post more in the anime boards and then maybe people will follow suit
>>3745889>Do I shit on everyone who ships characters that aren't my OTP? No I do not.>Do I harass artists that draw characters that I ship gay in straight couples? NO I do not.>That's all I ever see fujo do and its fucking gross.You do realize that those are all average shipper shit, right? Yumejos and straight shippers do that shit too. It comes with the weebness. Learn to ignore the schizos and you'll be fine.
>>3745758>>3745763/u/ has a general yuri thread, and /y/ has a general BL thread. Both generals could be adapted to /cm/ in order to encourage discussion like you want without going full /r9k/ancer.
>>3745889Been hanging around fujos since about 2006ish, still haven't known a single one personally that does any of that (yumejo however, oooh boy. 2020 was full of mistakes). It really depends on the fandom and crowd you approach. If you're into something super mainstream of course you're going to find a bunch of extremely loud terminally-15-year-old nutcases. Nicher fandoms tend to be more amicable because the people know they won't get shit for content if they act up, they're grateful for what they get, they don't have the time or energy to be shitty when they have to feed themselves. The only exception through the ages is when a scanner monopolises something and decides they're king of everything. Secret clubs never died with LJ - they just got harder to find.>>3745890A bit of this too. There are so many shitty anime fans in the world, and if you go to the right parts of the web you can see them fucking about being awful, but it doesn't take much to just not be in those places and treat them as not your side of things.>>3745897I've had times where I was in the shipping goggle/BL mode too. Lately I'm on plenty of seasonals and comedies that have female casts, but the way I enjoy series means I can never really sell those to people either. I enjoy goofy shit I can make bad jokes at, I get invested in characters being stupid, and plenty of things I'm happy to follow get a myriad of complaints from all types. It's made me very unsure of knowing what a friend might like because I'm seemingly easy.>>3745883Not a fan of Osomatsu-san shipping, but I love that you bothered to put this all into words so well. I was trying to explain Reigen x Reigen to someone the other day and I didn't even think to mention narcissism/insecurity dynamic.>>3745886I swear old fandom never gave a shit about brother pairs, not to mention UK was his dad not his brother. Old Hetalia fans made abuse jokes about the Soviets, shitloads of crossdressing kink, youth tops senior, etc.
>>3745988>yumejo however, oooh boy. 2020 was full of mistakesWhat happened? I basically left fandom discussion mid-2020. so I'm way out of the loop.
Thoughts on https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/boyfriends/list?title_no=2616 ? I just found about it and the boys look cute.
>>3746041Personal story, I tried joining in some small communities during the early lockdowns when everyone was pretty shaken and trying to find solace in each other. At first it was talking about cute boys and whining about rude people, but as time went on there were people with relationship problems who just wouldn't let it go, parents from hell, a million childhood trauma stories, a whole load of unaddressed mental health problems, terminal cancer sobstories, surprise arson, and then it turned out one girl was stalking everyone and sockpuppeting on twitter to send artists both hate and support messages. I was absolutely fucked with anxiety so I didn't quit when I should have but it's kind of funny now just how much of a disaster it was. I think the core problem was that once I got talking to people they didn't even give a shit about the series/boys in question and couldn't hold a conversation about that, they were either normalfags or complete schizos who were somehow in the same 4chan threads. I know better now (I hope).>>3746053Cute art style, writing doesn't interest me. When it comes to webtoons my favorites all seem to be "I already read this scene in the novel, here's how it should go! Oh no why are they treating me like the MC?!" adventures. Cale and Dokja have some raw sexual energy they're completely oblivious to.
>3746053The ads for it are god awful but I've heard its okay.Way, way too girly and pc for me, pretty sure one of them is trans too, but if that doesn't bother you then go for it.
>>3746059why would anyone be bothered by cute boypussy?
>>3746053The goth tranny makes it a hard pass for me
>>3746041NTA but a lot of yumejos are annoying as shit. Kinnie autistic "cringe is dead uwu my delusions are my whole personality Uwu" kinda shit. Those type of people tend to be the ones who go apeshit over NOTPs and find bullshit excuses to harass other fans. Sure there's cringy fujos but i find delusional yumes way more insufferable.
>>3745889If you look at “pro-ship” fujos they’re a lot more chill about that stuff but they’re also annoying in their own way, at least to me.
>>3746087they have some weird persecution complex. which isn't unjustified, but they should shut up about it because it gets annoying.
Feels like a dodged a ton of shit.
>>3746058Yeah, sounds like the reason I peaced out of most internet interactions in mid-2020. (or even before, I was hanging around some pretty miserable and petty places) The sockpuppet girl is a new level of crazy, though. I guess part of the problem is that anyone willing to identify as fujo/yumejo/whatever is also probably internet-addled enough to be crazy in other ways.
>>3745509>the racist usually doesn't think their opinion makes them a righteous protector of truthDepends on your racist.Your garden variety racist, not so much, but your Greek statue pfp motherfucker who goes on and on about the decline of Western civilization will have similar delusions
>>3746053I only saw a slice of it on YouTube, and I was thoroughly disgusted. It was the most vapid, pandering, cutesy bullshit, unbelievable garbage
>>3745988what are you watching? i don't mind female casts or characters at all, but i have a hard time trying out new stuff. most of the free manga were such a slog to get through and if i have to read another story about a girl being the favorite servant of an evil/misunderstood demon king, i'll defenestrate myself. it's the female version of the isekai that blight the mediascape today. but hey, i just bought the first volume of kieta hatsukoi, which i like because the characters make stupid faces and the worst decisions possible, so maybe the stuff you watch is up my ally. we all have our "guilty" pleasures, that we enjoy in spite of our sense of quality. promare is total dogshit by my standards and i love everything about it. anyway, time to give cyberpunk: edgerunners a go. that seemed somewhat promising. wonder how it turned out. can't be worse than the game...
As a man I must say this thread has been interesting to read through, seeing as my perception of fujos has largely been from the overly vocal/fetishising ones
>>3746330those are the good majority of them.The ones in this thread are the few fujo rejects who can't get along with the rest and have to be here rather than fujo spaces (formerly tumblr, but now twitter/discord), or gay men
>>3745509>I've heard of IRC. How do I use it?IRC is a text based chat over the internet. It and teamspeak were what people used before zoomers discovered the joys of being groomed and datamined on discord. You can use it in your browser or with a program like HexChat. At the most basic level you just select a network like Rizon and enter a server name (usually #something) and you can join as a guest (depending on the permissions/rules of the server) and begin chatting or sharing images/videos while more advanced you can register a unique nickname with a password that carries over in any server and allows you to build up friendships (you also can set it up so you auto login to your nickname and autojoin servers when you open the program). I really like IRC but I will be honest I lurked a bunch of anime related channels for this thread and all of them were shit and boring. The only channel where I had good BL discussion was on the politics channel my boyfriend is a fixture on since the female channel owner is a fojo and there is another woman who also like BL. So it was basically 2 fujos and a femmy twink talking about A Cruel God Reigns while the rest of the channel is losing their minds over Ukraine.
>>3745254i just keep to myself. i like niche men, and cope with lack of anyone existing for it. good luck :)
>>3746513which men/couple do you like?
>>3745889No matter how much western fandom kick and scream, being a woman and liking m/m ships automatically makes you a fujo like it or not. I'm seeing a lot of westerners trying to redefine the word for various reasons to just mean the "bad" fangirls (mostly for a easy target to shit on and pickme reasons) and it's pathetic.
A lot of problems with modern fandom would improve significantly if everyone born after approximately 1995 or so was banned from the internet.
>>3746516it's funny cause a lot of those people are sjws that chimp over perceived cultural imperialism/appropriation but have no problem taking a japanese word and twisting it how they see fit. i guess japs truly are honorary aryans if they don't qualify for respect kek.
Trying to use that Fujochan board but every other page the servers are fucked. I don't think they can handle more than two anons lurking at the same time.
>>3746492I miss IRC. I had a really good channel I had hung around for over a decade, good friends with most of them, and then they just slowly got the SJ brainworms and stopped being able to do anything but freak out about politics 24/7. I hate that got so many people, it's so fucking exhausting. >>3746513Same here, pal. I've always been into niche stuff, so I'm okay with not having anyone to talk fandom with, but I wish there was a good place to talk about (retro) anime and video games in general. Every one of those places descended into a cesspit with the rise of Twitter and tumblr.
The real reason for the decline of fandom is that none of you fuckers is willing to do shit. Does a forum exist? No, but all the tools to create them that existed 10 years ago still exist. You could just do that. Or your own discord with your own rules. Or an IRC. Learn to fucking google shit, try it out, fail and try it out again.Instead of trying to create and manage A Community I do suggest just sticking with small groups, once you have 10 weebs together it turns into drama central. Find 5 idiots into the same shit as you and stick with them for those topics only.Good luck faggots, I'm out.
>>3746519stupidity is something that you catch, not something you are born with or that is age dependant. people in large communities or social groups are more susceptible to it than people who live in solitude or small groups. it is also more of moral than an intellectual deficiency. see what>>3746530 wrote. once it gets a hold of people, it's very hard to get rid of. so i guess i have to agree with >>3746539it's probably best to value quality instead of quantity when it comes to social interactions.
>>3746443& That's respectable kek. I never really wanna give fujos a bad time but seeing how some interact with bi/gay men is always a bit funny
>>3746539And how are you even supposed to find these people if the communities of like minded people don't even exist?Great job at dropping bombs of knowledge everybody here with a functioning brain is aware of, anon.
>>3745254I want to know this too, sites like Twitter and Tumblr are honestly kind of intimidating and hard to navigate, but because I never visit anything like it I have 0 fujo friends to sperg about niche (and less niche) stuff with. I'd even be satisfied with a shitcord if I could find a decent one that doesn't skewer you for "proshipping" or whatever the kids say these days.>>3745509BLmatsu is based, are you in it specifically for the selfcest angle? Or do you have any kyo-ai pairs you're into too?>>3746530>retro anime & vidyaWapchan, full stop. It's decently paced and relatively peaceful with less Mauritanian/Twitterfag shitflinging than you'd expect.
>>3746636>WapchanThanks, I took a glance and while I don't like the font, the community looks right up my alley. I'll make sure to pop in every so often.
i feel like /cm/ is the only place i can fully express my love for boys, a lot of it is because of 4chan's anonymityi like imageboard culture in general, this board is comfy, and the fellas are cool (/lgbt/ and /r9gay/ make me want to kill myself and everyone inside it), so i support this >>3745758>>3745763it's fine to blogpost as long as they're still posting images>>3745889a best friend of mine from elementary school is a fujo, she's chill, i wouldn't want to interact with any other fujo thoughit does feel weird seeing your childhood friend retweeting animu guy getting buttfucked lmao, although the same can probably be said about me as well
>>3745670>body fluids other than cum>banned on /y/but anon, there’s piss, sweat and milk threads up right now on /y/
>>3747155Please someone think of the drooling.
>>3747041comfy really is the best description for the board and people here are kind, if somewhat reserved. but who am i to call anyone reserved. i lurked for a long time before posting and i still have the feeling i should apologize for doing so at all. i hope i made some amends since then.i try to not bother my irl friends to much with this side of me, but sometimes they have to endure a weird rant of mine, which they do. bless them.
I'm also a fucking joke and I'm not out.>>3746626At least in my case, I joined the "bad" communities, lurked, commented sparingly, and found like-minded people faster than I even expected. We made our separate communities, that in turn turned into even smaller groups for niche interests. You're underestimating everyone here "with a functioning brain", take >>3746636 for example. Oh, but it's so hard to navigate, if only someone could filter things out for me so I don't have to invest any effort whatsoever.These "pro-shippers" seem to make the majority of fandom, as far as I can see, but you've all been driven out of your own places by children with a lot of free time that make you think they're the only side of fandom left. You're not going to immediately get doxxed. Make a fucking twitter account, search content you like, block freely, you'll find your people pretty quickly, those puritanical antis you're so scared of are relentlessly mocked, easily identifiable, and meanwhile you're all here crying about how the twitters are too scawwy and the shitcords soooo baaad.As you can see form my posts, I'm a big retard, and yet I can find someone to talk about whatever piss bullshit I'm into any given day just because I put in the fucking effort to figure out how tumblr, a site used by millions, fucking works.Anyway, posting this ttly platonic, don't be disgusting u guys, official picture that got like 200 comments the other day about how hot mobrei is.
>>3747502welcome back. you are not a retard and your insights are valuable, but your aggressive way of conveying them might be counterproductive to what you want to achieve. personally, i have no intention to use the sites you mentioned, because, for now, i am content with what the board has to offer. maybe i'll try what you suggested later on, maybe not. who knows.
>>3747502What you say is true. You might be an asshole about it, but I agree. It really is that simple and easy to find someone to talk about these things. The worst you’ll get are retarded comments on your posts from people you can easily block and never think about again. Just like random people in the supermarket who happen to piss you off, it really is that easy to forget about
>>37475021 of ayrt and that's not what I meant. I actually agree with you to an extent. By "hard to navigate" I don't mean that I don't know how to look up a tag or whatever, just that I personally have no experience with social media whatsoever and no real starting point I know of to lurk moar with, since from what I understand you also need to post consistently for algorithm reasons among other things. More a personal problem in not knowing how to effectively start than a "waah antis" situation.Wrt Discord, virtually any publicly accessible server you'll find is by and for zoomers and there's minimal way to filter it, which again is a matter of lurking moar and making friends to invite you to smaller servers, but requires more personal connections to make your way around and is more difficult.TL;DR I'm a bigger retard and happen to have trouble with it. That's all.
I wish we had an LJ revival but as someone in their mid-30s, I barely have energy to watch TV passively, let alone keep up with the brighteyed 20 year-olds on twitter. I'm on a few fandom discords to follow writers. Tumblr's been a low-key thing for the last decade or so. I don't follow any anime blogs, only a handful of scanlators. I think I dropped out of anime and BL in 2015 when it started going more mainstream and the really loud western Otaku took over. Tl;Dr 4chan's the only place that's left for fujo-ing for me and even then, I'm barely here.
>>3747636i'm 33. i really went on a bender in terms of anime and manga after a long break and i'm enjoying myself, but i hardly form any of the attachments i used to have and i'll have to slow down to prevent getting burned out again.i can understand the frustration of being drowned out by the more obnoxious part of a fanbase. didn't have to hide threads on /cm/ until recently, but, oh boy, do i need to hide them.
>>3747636It's dreamwidth now not LJ but the "active" fandom places over there are not very interested in animu moreso live-action m/m
>>3747584>just that I personally have no experience with social media whatsoever and no real starting point I know of to lurk moar withLurk moar just means be in the place silently. Just be there. Just log in every day or from time to time. Once you've googled and clicked and read the FAQs, then you can, for example, come here and say "I've tried X and Y but I still don't know how to do this, can somebody help me". Don't just say, oh I don't know how tumblr works. There's no algorithm shit going on with tumblr at the moment, sometimes it breaks randomly and doesn't show everything on the search, for example, but that's it. Search tag, follow artists/people interested in your thing, like and reblog, leave a comment if you feel like it, send asks, etc. You'll go through these steps naturally once you're actually there consistently.>>3747570What I want to achieve is venting, and aggression is not punishable here; I behave where I must.>>3747636>>3747698dreamwidth is just an LJ clone hosted by the AO3 people so it can't be bought by Russia and wiped of all "bad" content overnight like LJ was once. I do think the biggest issue of the LJ style fandom space is that everyone needs to find where to host their own pictures, and that's too much effort for most, forget about the basic <a href=> stuff we all knew how to use back then. Sincerely don't think it has a future, unless a Big Account makes a push for it, or some other stroke of luck makes it mainstream. But it can work for small communities/tiny fandoms, maybe.
>>3747728of course it isn't. why would it be? vent away. i did the same.
>>3747584Use tweetdeck for twitter, you can refine searches way more in columns unlike the main site where searching and selecting photos will show a hodgepodge of things out of chronological order. Columns stay until you remove or change the search string too, so you can follow tags that way without ever following another user. In fact you can make a user column showing a user's media only tweets without following them, and they'll never know you've been watching.
>>3747834What the. That's freaking useful anon. I mute some users who post a lot of text tweets but I still love their pics.
>>3745828Why would I? Fujochan doesn't allow men
As ad-ware and Zoomer-filled as they are, manga reader sites have decent fujoshi-oriented recs in terms of lists, especially newer titles.>>3747667The ability to nope out of a thread, fic or fandom space is a skill if you wanna enjoy things in the long run.
>>3747920you can extend that to companies and their products and i have employed that skill for a long time now. that's why i don't form attachments. it's not worth the effort and i have to cut ties eventually anyways, but the frequency of this occuring has increased tremendously over the years. i'm just tired of it.
If you're into weeb shit just learn Japanese.Japs got their own flavor of brain dead social media cringe going on thanks to normalfags and kids being allowed on the internet but at least it's not the FICTIONAL CHARACTERS HAVE RIGHTS!!1 bullshit. Hilariously though from experience their image boards can be even more unproductive than 4chan because they let Chinese and Koreans live rent free in their heads 24/7.
>>3747728That's true. A lot of my reservations come from the algorithm and the apparently complicated etiquette and processes of SNS as opposed to imageboards and forums tbdesu, but a part of that might just be /ic/ crabs poisoning my brain. I'm allergic to being a newfag, but if lurking moar is as simple there as it is here than it at least shouldn't hurt to try. Thanks anon, you've inspired me.>>3747834That's really useful, thanks! I'll look into it.
>>3747975Honestly the biggest rules for socmed like twitter are:>don't repost other people's artwork when you can retweet it or post a link to where they posted it>don't quote retweet other people's artwork because for some retarded reason it allows people to like and retweet without adding to the original post's counter/algorithm boost>when dealing with japanese artists don't even think of liking and retweeting a pairing the other way around or they'll block you, haha what the fuck are switches amirite>put something in your profile indicating you are over the age of 20 (18+ emoji will do) or some artists will block you for being underageWhenever someone reports they've been blocked by an artist it's usually for shipping Guy2xGuy1 instead of Guy1xGuy2. JP fans are still absolutely anal about that and have a massive grudge against "the opposition". On some occasions they block people for not being Japanese, but more often they'll cite that Westerners are filthy multishippers who don't follow the laws of yowie.
>>3748144They block overseas accs because they're anal about art theft/reposting.
>>3748144I don’t know what bizarro world you’re from, but I’ve never seen Japanese artists block people because they ship something they don't. If anything, they usually block westerners if they are the type to make weird comments on their art
>>3748200>don’t know what bizarro world you’re from, but I’ve never seen Japanese artists block people because they ship something they don't.Absolutely false, JP artist are famous for being insanely autistic about stuff like top and bottom
>>3748165that certainly won't make me want to steal more in retaliation
Can't /cm/ just make a discord server?
>>3748300Yeah that certainly wouldn't become chaos.Going by your average /cm/ discussion, it'd go:>gay zoomers that won't stfu about real life and how depressed they are about god forbid being single at 20>femboy/tranny lovers trying to groom the depressed gays into becoming one of them>shotafags getting too comfy and start discussing real kids>the occasional straight guy finding his way in and seeking attention and praise>zoomer-hating 30 year old fujos with 4chan stockholm syndrome blowing up over all of the above
>>3748336Better than always complaining abut fujo spaces not existing kek
>>3748300I have been in three /cm/ servers over the years. If a new server is made, it will probably go the same route as those three: barely any /cm/ images, instead it's just 24/7 posting about how much they hate niggers and troons in the... #politics channel that every /cm/ servers has for some reason. Look, I'm not saying antis are any better. But Jesus, why does it always have to be a choice between SJWs or Nazis?
>>3748361>why does it always have to be a choice between sjws or nazisMaybe normies are busy with other things?
>>3748300every /cm/ related server I joined turned into one of two things:its mostly lonely gay guys, one them suicide baits and turns the entire server into being his personal support groupor its mostly chicks who end up making the server be a support group for their abusive relationships (which they obviously aren't going to leave) and constantly bitching about guys who use 4chan
>>3747267You do have a point honestly, drool/spit is pretty underrated
>>3748361>>3748418>Remove politics channel>Foster a culture that encourges talking about BL and guys rather than IRLHere, mods do you you job
>>3748488Any server with a politics channel is automatically shit. I don’t know how discord servers become so bad when you just need to enforce this rule
>>3748488think about it anonmost people on 4chan hate discord. When you make a 4chan discord server what kind of people is it going to attract? What kind of people are going to be the regulars in 4chan discord server who'll be the ones that end up dictating its culture.
>>3748543>most people on 4chan hate discordMeme from newfags. 4chan used to have irc communities without problem
>>3745670/u/ should actually be higher. loli is against the rules but the mods let it slip and ignore "age gap" and /ll/ - lesbain loli threads all the time. wish /y/ was like that sigh..
>>3748622It's funny how blue boards like /a/, /v/, /co/ and even /cm/ are more tolerant of loli/shota ecchi images than the red boards.
>>3748628Last time there was a straight up nsfw loli/shota board it turned into a shitfest with actual pedos posting about what they want to do to real kids and actual cp getting by. Even the shota thread on here goes into rants about what they want to do to little boys irl and jerking off over their underage sexual experiences.I can understand them not wanting to moderate that shit.
>>3748622>>3748628fujochan has a /sh/ boardthere, you can post all the shota, both pure and lewd, that you want
>>3748701I'd post there more often, but they're staunchly anti-maleit does make it fun riling them up, though
>>3748704I go around the internet pretending to be a man all the time, give it a try, come on
>>3748707god I wish I was "only pretending" to be a guy
>>3748712Imagine having to pretend you are a man AND an american just when you talk about cute anime boys and then going back to not being those things. Bliss.
>>3748701I know about /sh/. I was simply reflecting on 4chan's inconsistency regarding loli/shota.>>3748704There's 8ch an.moe's /sm/ board, which doesn't have an "anti-something" stance and allows all kinds of shota, including traps, straight shota, furry/kemono and even toddlercon. The board is quite slow because it's hidden and requires you to post somewhere else in the site in order to bypass the faux 404 screen affecting it and the other loli/shota boards, something few people know.
>>3748448On the rare occasions I've drawn my own lewds it always hits harder when there's threads of saliva across the open mouth.>>3748715>going back over my posts to remove the Us and Ss so they don't know my school taught us the other English
>>3747155Right. I was focusing on "gross" excretions like poop, vomit and blood (and piss, but that seems to be ok for /y/).>>3747267>>3748448>>3748725Dribble is hot, specially when it's non-consensual, like in a forced kiss.
>>3746053Is shit like this really the state of BL nowadays? Looks bad. Unironically, the overabundance of cutesy shit in this vein is why I've never called myself a fujo. Cute anime boys are boring to me; fucked up older men are more my speed. I doubt there will ever be a community that centers around what I'm into (realistic & gritty rape/horror-themed BL), so I just take whatever crumbs that I can get. Doesn't help that fandom in general is terminally retarded nowadays. The whole "anti"/"pro" ship thing is just the latest iteration of the us vs them tribal mentality that seems to have taken off with sites like Tumblr and Twitter.
>>3748749>Is shit like this really the state of BL nowadays?Not really. When I think of "bl today" there's dozens of artists that come to mind before some webtoon.I don't pay much attention to western circles though.
>>3748701>there, you can post all the shota, both pure and lewd, that you wantNo we can't because the site only allows women to post. Stop shilling it here, 4chan is mostly men and most of the people are not going to put with its retarded rules (hence why it's dead.
>>3748749>Is shit like this really the state of BL nowadays?Obviously not. It's a western comic (The artist is asian but a andrian), you can tell by the troon
>>3748753>>3748758I thought the style looked western, but I wasn't sure. I'm really well-versed on what's popular right now; most of the mangaka I like (like Fuchiya from picrel) have either stopped drawing BL or fallen off the map completely.
>>3748762*not really, even
>>3748749>>3748762do you have any recs for horror?
I learned that if I wanted discussion here I would make a thread properly, pepper in a question, and tend to it off page 9 every once in a while. Takes like 5 seconds to do this and someone will respond eventually, especially for something as hot as The Boys currently if OP was the one talking about Homelander and Butcher. I myself was thinking of a Breaking Bad/Saul thread since it's back in the fujosphere again. Maybe not as hot as it was back then but Korean and Chinese artists came back to it and Lalo/Nacho is pretty spicy.You just get used to this board's slow pace. Sorry but that's it. If you want to make a friend go on social media, your mileage may vary. The internet landscape has changed and no matter how many spinoff forums or boards you make, you'll never get the same feeling
>>3748749bl today is mostly women in their 20s watching shounen and squaking over how they want to see the younger male characters get raped
>>3748704Why do you feel the need to blog on anonymous image boards, cause that's the only way anyone would know your gender
>>3748860and now you see why they have that rule.
>>3748860I don't. They're on a constant witch hunt for men, and harass users for posting what they deem as "scrote" content or opinions.
>>3748818>>3748749The state of BL nowadays is that there was a massive exodus over to the chinese novels, the manga scene on that side is dead and the doujin exist, but don't get scanlated. The novels seem to follow the regular BL tropes, so you should be right at home. I've heard 2ha/erha/husky and his white cat shizun, is fucked up, so you could check it out. Sorry, mangafags
>>3748869Bullshit, the manga scene for BL is healthy than ever, art is godly and we get tons of stuff even officially translated now.>>3748749>Is shit like this really the state of BL nowadays?Why would you use a single comic to judge the whole state of BL lmao
>>3748864Oh no did the mean roasties call you names? Poor baby, better stay on 4chan when nobody would ever call you a whiny ass autistic faggot that can't stay in topic for two posts
>>3748871I think most people would stay on 4chan because it's not dead and filled with retarded femcels yes.
>>3748870And yet nobody seems to be talking about it according to people in this thread, while you can't step anywhere in a fujo space without the danmei content slapping you in the face. You had a favorite artist that suddenly turned into a MDZS art account overnight and you know it.(Obviously the industry is doing fine, but interest in the west seems to have wanted, to the casual observer that needs to be spoonfed)
>>3748874>And yet nobody seems to be talking about it according to people in this threaThere is an active thread on /y/ which is at his 93 entry despite being on a porn board and fairly young.Also this may shock you but people typically can like more than two things at once
>>3748874*Waned, I can't fucking type
>>3748871its annoying that femoids have spent the last 10 years invading and ruining male spaces. 4chan, now, is filled with /soc/ cumrags and the site is far worse off because of it.If a few posts a day on female spaces can ruin it for them the same way they ruined my spaces, then might as well.
>>3748875I'm just not over all the accounts I've had to stop following after they got into danmei or genshin or whatever else that used to draw things I cared about, don't mind me, I just have a hard time getting into new things. But at least I'm not this other incel in the thread lol
>>3748879>>3748879>I'm just not over all the accounts I've had to stop following after they got into danmei or genshin or whatever else that used to draw things I cared about,What it has to do with BL manga?
>>3748879right. instead you are a buzzword spewing cunt with an unfounded sense of superiority and nothing to back it up. must be great to be you.
>>3748878I dunno. Around a decade ago, maybe a bit more, /cm/ was mostly female and you'd occasionally get people sharing doujinshi and scans here. Now that threads turn into gay /soc/ whenever they get discussion nothing productive happens anymore.
>>3748888the BL scanlation scene has always been entirely female and occasionally you'd find a member on 4chan back in the day. i remember meeting some on /m/ and the relevant /a/ threads. no idea where they hang out these days. probably have long running secret clubs on irc or discord that they dont let new people into anymore.
>>3748889Some of them are still involved in translation and have gone professional, for example Good Haro works for MangaGamer now, but I don't think she posts on 4chan anymore.You don't really see that shit anymore because the 2016 elections really did a number on 4chan's culture and a lot of oldfags left.
>>37488884chan femanons are a completely different breads from zoomers women from twitter.Not that /pol/tard brand of men that pollute the boards are so much better
>>3748888 (checked)>Now that threads turn into gay /soc/ whenever they get discussionI only see this happen on /v/'s and only /v/'s trap/femboy threads, and I fail to understand why. Threads focused on other genres and body types attract much less /soc/faggots.Link somewhat related, it's a recent yaoi/fujo thread that became a battlefield for twinkfags and barafags: >>>/v/612789986
>>3748928does anyone have that image of that Japanese bara artist who drew what fujos think they are vs what they actually are?It was so spot on
>>3748977I always found this argument pretty weak since there is definitely an audience for burly and unconventional men in the BL sphere, although I suppose that’s mostly in the west
>>3748977The girlies are not wrong though. Men in yaoi and actual bi or gay men are nothing alike. No one demands that yuri creators have proper lesbian/bi women representation. I don't like enjoy most of the fudanshi recs on /y/'s BL threads and if they end up hating a manga, it usually has fujo appeal. Different types of content have their place in the market. Entitlement and berating artists who don't create your type of content does not.It's bad when fudanshi do it. And it's worse when sanctimonious foids do it. Like the Heartstopper creator dragging Japanese mangaka through the mud for the "rape = love" trope using illegal scanlations on tiktok. I don't like it but I don't think an artist should be censored from drawing it. Yaoi content by women for women shouldn't be filtered through men's lens. Similarly, women can't demand men to make bara prettier/less realistic/less exaggerated.
>>3748984If anything it's weak by implying fiction needs to reflect reality.
>>3748869>there was a massive exodus over to the chinese novelsWhat caused that anyway? What's so great about danmei? I'm not really into BL-qua-BL, so I don't get what happened there.
>>3748988shiny, new, and pretty.
>>3748988Chinese writers was pumping the stories out in great quantity. The really popular ones were getting live action and cartoon adaptations with fabulous production values Then Daddy Xi decided women belong in the kitchen and were not popping out enough babies so the genre was banned.
>>3748928>I only see this happen on /v/'s and only /v/'s trap/femboy threadsIt happens here it's just that you (thankfully maybe) don't browse fanbases that attract these kinds of posters trolling around for a discord drop to ERP with people. Usually in the suicide boy threads, online celebrities, etc though mods are cracking down on it more
>>3748985This, its not like bara is any more realistic anyway, with all the hyper stuff.Bald and old dudes in bl isn't even that uncommon anymore.
>>3748977You sure this is a by bara artist? I can't find the source anywhere.
>>3748994It's not bara it's from a comedy manga. People keep using it as some sort of gotcha when it wasn't made as pushback from bara likers, it's just the truth kek
>>3748786I'm not really that into supernatural horror, which is what the majority of horror BL consists of, so I can't give you a very complete list. Here are a few titles that I like. All contain rape/abuse, most contain at least some amount of guro.Heartless by Mado FuchiyaFeeding Lamb, also by FuchiyaSkin by Asada NemuiAnything from GuiltPleasure (all their shit is paywalled but I think there are still a few links floating around out there)
>>3748977That pic has always been retarded>>3748985>Men in yaoi and actual bi or gay men are nothing alike.Yeah, and girls in anime are nothing like real girls. And so are men. That's why it's fuckig anime
>>3748977thats not it.The top half is how fujos view themselves, the bottom half is how fujos are in reality. Like its comparing how they think they look when they cosplay as men, vs how people actually see them. Its so accurate that it hurts
>>3749040What are you talking about? Fujos don't cosplay as men. Unless you're really talking about trans dudes and calling them "fujos cosplaying as men", in which case, it's just cruel and transphobic.
>>3749042have you never been to a con? There's always a group of fujos cosplaying as haikyuu characters or something.why are you bringing up trannies?
>>3749042>Fujos don't cosplay as menHoly lol tell me you have never been to a con without telling me you have never been to a con. Do you think men have the patience to put on that much makeup for all the pinup cosplay anime boy pics that float around for BNHA or sports shit or AOT?
>>3749043Then say crossplayers, dumbass.
>>3749048stop being obsessed with trannies, chud
>>3749042>in which case, it's just cruel and transphobic.Good
>>3749027thanks. already read feeding lamb because of the earlier post. the characters and their relationship are interesting. i'll probably have to give it a second go though because i don't think i payed enough attention, but it's always a good sign when i'm not overly critical or analytical on my first read. that means i'm actually invested in what's happening. i think that gore and rape are fine if they are used to create the tone of the story or to give characterization. i usually don't go for it because gore doesn't really affect me and i prefer consenting (always want to say "healthy" but that wouldn't be true now, would it...) relationships over forceful ones, but it's good to get out of my comfort zone once in a while.reading skin atm and will look into the guiltpleasure body of work when it hits the shelves here. again, thank you.
>>3749042>>3749048Thank you for illustrating why it's annoying to talk about bl anywhere else than 4chan or a friend these days
>>3748988Most Anons would tell you it's having your cake and eating it. You get a romance and a story beyond will they won't they, and in most cases it's already complete with a full conclusion and some sex scene bonus chapters. Everyone who bitched in the past about BL being cancelled before the story got to do anything, or wading through pure romance with no genre fiction that happens to have gay romance, now has some form of media coming out of webnovel and web comic translations. They are longer, and denser than a quick manga fling, they don't always have reliable translations, and the genres being translated are still limited by the interests of translation groups, but they're definitely a whole library for voracious and horny readers.>>3748990>Chinese writers was pumping the stories out in great quantity.More like massive webnovel culture has existed since dial up and companies suddenly realised they could make bank on a huge number of existing titles using the government's "please stop airing Japanese cartoons on our national channels" fund. At first they turned a blind eye to the illegal (gay) content so long as it was making money in physical stores and selling rights to other countries, but there came a tipping point where some series got completely banned.On the Western side, the novels already existed for years, people just started getting translations out there and attracted more people who realised there were EOL audiences who'd flock to it if they did more. The fandoms for these things have been about for ages but always assumed weebs didn't care, so they just shared them with their Chinese reading friends and nothing more.Then MDZS got a donghua in 2018 that was subtitled and reuploaded to all the sites people put anime on. True to donghua tradition shit ends abruptly over and over on cliffhangers, so people wanted to read the source material to see how it went. Rest is history.>>3748930>>3749040What image are you even talking about
>>3749151>What image are you even talking aboutIf I had it i could show youIt was drawn by a jap bara artist in response to fujos wanting him to draw twinks. It depicted very well how fujos see themselves vs how other see fujos.
>>3749151Really interesting, thank you(I'm not anyone you were replying to) I wish I could like Danmei a bit more than I actually do, I think. I really respect it -- everything I've watched and read has been a high-quality production, on the technical side, and I appreciate (like you said) how the stories give the characters things to do other than just being homos with each other. But, I guess, I don't really find the Wuxia type settings so enjoyable, I feel like it constrains the range of ideas and settings somewhat. And, very subjectively, I'm not so interested in that elegant swishy ideal perfect pretty long hair long clothes guy aesthetic. My favourite Danmei art is actually the English-language illustrations for the novels (which I gather a lot of people dislike?) because they're quite expressive, I find that more appealing than the guys just standing around austerely next to each other.
>>3749248That's definitely the stereotype the West has for the genre, and since "danmei" roughly means the equivalent of oogling pretty boys there is a tendency to lean on more "beautiful" ikemen types, however if you check some smaller translator blogs you'll find that's not everything. Since I'm into fantasy and supernatural stuff (and it'll take me a lifetime to finish all of those) my experience is still limited but ones in other genres I've browsed over include:>reincarnated as my asshole boss's hamster and he's as much of a bastard as I remember>reincarnated as the boarding school bully in vague historic Europe only I'm pretty sure it's some kind of HarryDraco knock off>I'm a beta but my alpha senpai chose me for the work trip and now we have to share a hotel room and exchange spreadsheets>something with schoolboys using social media to see each other in secret>detective uses a machine for entering the memories of crime scenes and suffers repeatedly>detective captures a drug delivery boy and uses him to hunt down a drug ring conspiracy (someone linked me a sequence where he was making the kid chug protein shake because he's "too skinny" when they fuck in the shower and I genuinely didn't expect it to actually be protein shake)>sentient mushroom tries to blend in on human space colony>legendary crime gang in the year 3060 have to convince former space army general that Threat Is Real and the planet is in trouble>esports champs are probably fucking>MMO guild are probably fucking>mystery email sets people up, might be a ghost>an urban vampire one I already forgot the premise of, I think Koreans are more into vampiresI do think sf and fantasy are the biggest genres in danmei, or at least the ones getting the most full translations. If you can stand some urban fantasy or science fiction detective stuff there's definitely some of that by well regarded authors.
>>3749151Small curiosity, whenever a chinese fujo gets canned/a chinese gay thing gets banned, it's almost always legally not because it's gay, it's because it was self-published. I remember a list of the alleged crimes of someone rumored to have been arrested and creating homosexual content was at the end of the list, self-published was the actual, major crime.
>>3749669that's almost worse. what a shithole.
>>3749027heartless was an absolute blast to read. loved narukos design and his relationship with manuel.
>>3749669Damn, I always thought it was "public indecency" or similar wording, and that they treated homosexual relationships the same as explicit pornography. Some het harem webnovels got taken down from sites for being too raunchy for officials the other year, I remember some danmei fans saying it was used as cover for removing other things without naming them. I suppose having a catch all legal term for everything self published is very handy when it could be as simple a reason as "it made fun of my dad (who works for the government)".
>>3745305AO3 is a fanfiction website, but the people there are pretty based. Not sure about the nigger thing though, but they seem to allow any kinds of content in their fanfics, so I wonder if it applies to comments.Would be nice if they had actual forums though
>>3748985this is exactly why I support websites like fujochanwomen should have their own spaces to discuss stuff like bl i know it's not a very active website, but it allows fujos to talk about things they can't elsewhere
>>3749787Yeah. Yaoi's so vilified even radfems on Ovarit hate it.
>>3749081Np. I tend to be very selective with what I read because I'm really not fond of the tropey and unrealistic way that things like obsessive/unhealthy relationships and sexual assault are portrayed in most BL. I understand that it's fantasy, but maybe I'm just a mega-freak because my fantasies are never that idealized, lel. Some of the works I recommended fall into those tropes, but like I said, I take what I can get. My ideal BL would probably have the same narrative structure and tone as a western crime thriller but with gay sex thrown in, and I don't see that ever being a thing.
>>3749787>women should have their own spaces to discuss stuff like blYou're right. unfortunately few people agree.
>>3748762>>3748749It's for exactly this reason that I want to learn how to draw. Somehow I feel doujins are more acceptable than full on novels of the creepiest shit you can imagine... The things that I want do not exist.Would be nice to like the typical fujo shit.
>>3745305>yes but if there is a based one with no trannies and where you can talk about cute boys and scream NIGGER, please share it.You are asking for the impossible.
>>3749787Kek they don't even talk about BL, the site is mostly about them hating men.
>>3748985>The girlies are not wrong though. That pic is stupid and makes fun of fujo hypocrisy, not realizing it doesn't even make sense because no one point out anime characters don't even act like human beings.>. I don't like enjoy most of the fudanshi recs on /y/'s BL threads and if they end up hating a manga, it usually has fujo appeal.This post makes no sense, most of the BL recs on /y/ are done by women. >Yaoi content by women for women shouldn't be filtered through men's lens. Women aren't a monolith, case in point you hating manga done by women on /y/ list. Also a lot of BL mangaka are just trying to do a good story, not everything is coomer content. This post is all over the place. >>3750002Why don't go back there then.
>>3750013>This post makes no sense, most of the BL recs on /y/ are done by women.I went and checked it's true lol There are all manga made by women.
>>3750010that was because the mods decided to shill on lolcow dot farm for some reason, where the userbase has men living in their heads rent free 24/7, despite everyone outside the designated fujo thread on there hating fujos. it really didn't do them any favours cause all the seething on the front page just chases away normal fujos who just want chill fandom discussion.
>>3750016I don't think the owners knew anything about lolcow aside from it being a female image board. Unfortunately, not lurking for a bit to gauge its regulars came to bite them in the ass.Fujochan has its origins on /trash/, where attempts at making a regular BL general kept getting raided by tranny furries (not even buzzwording here, that's exactly what happened) because nothing makes trannies seethe more than actual biological women. They got fed up and then Fujochan was born. Lolcow was one of the places they recruited from because it's probably the most well-known female chan these days, and now the site is full of catty minimodding lolcow users that only use /ffs/ and /ot/.That said, the small discussion /bl/ and /f/ get actually aren't bad. I get the feeling from the way they type that they're completely different set of users though.
>>3750025>>3750016I'm pretty sure they were just a Chrystal Gaffe spin off originally or whatever. The world "moid" is not 4chan native.Either way stop shilling a site that doesn't allow men here, they hate 4chan anyway for what I've seen anyway
>>3750028No, they're definitely from /trash/. I remember the beginnings of it and have seen the relevant /trash/ threads. There's far more fujos on 4chan than you'd like to believe and always has been. The obsessive usage of "moid" and whatnot comes from the aforementioned lolcow.
>>3750030>There's far more fujos on 4chan than you'd like to believe and always has been.4chan has always been a man site. It's why it's such high quality with low focus on 3d shit like the site you shill and unlike twitter with the she/theyThis said, fuck off there. I do recall you guys crying about how misogynist we are anyway
>>3750031The BL discussion on /a/, /m/, and /jp/ have always been predominately fujo. Go cry about it on /lgbt/
>>3750033>The BL discussion on /a/, /m/, and /jp/ have always been predominately fujo.Delusional. Men make the most of 4chan userbase. Especially on a board such a s /m/> Go cry about it on /lgbt/Go back to fujochan. Oh wait it's dead. It's almost like there aren't man women on 4chan.
>>3750035>he doesn't remember the livejournal days where fujos would shamelessly crosspost on /m/ and ljZoomer, please.
>>3750038>Zoomer, please.I've been here longer than you. Enough to have seen the internet go to shit when normalfag women flooded twitter and started to argue 2d=real life.Either way, fuck off to fujochan.
there's some irony over having a meltdown over women existing while consuming nothing but women's content.
>>3750041He's just throwing a tantrum because fujochan's "women only" rule hurt his feelings.
>>3750041>there's some irony over having a meltdown over women existing while consuming nothing but women's content.Oh yeah I love women series. LIke JJk. Haikyuu. Kimetsu. All series drawn by women for women. Oh wait.>>3750042>He's just throwing a tantrum because fujochan's "women only" rule hurt his feelings.Why are you still here? Go back to your "women" only site. You guys hate 4chan, and yet you still post there.
>>3750043And all the fanart and doujinshi you enjoy of those are drawn and written by women. Cope.
>>3750044>And all the fanart and doujinshi you enjoy of those are drawn and written by women. Cope.Of series done by men for men.
>>3750044>Take series made for boys, claim as them and then wonder why men want to post about them?Are women so creative bankrupt?
>>3750038Stupid slut. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>3750045>>3750046Most mainstream shounen are made to appeal to a general audience these days, so that's a weak argument. Also goalposts. You could create your own fandom content yet you don't, you do nothing but consume women's and then kick and scream about them.
>>3750031>4chan has always been a man site. It's why it's such high quality40 keks aren't enough.
>only choices for BL boards are a site where people constantly complain about women on a board where 99% of fanart posted is by women or a site that doesn't allow men>only choices for BL Discord servers are either full of Nazis or self-hating antisWhy is it so hard to just have a BL space where people actually post and discuss BL?
>>3750051>Most mainstream shounen are made to appeal to a general audience these daysThey are still written by men. On Jump, a shounen magazine. You know what shounen means?>s, so that's a weak argumentIt actually pretty good at showing your hypocrisy.>Also goalposts. You could create your own fandom content yet you don't,Who said "we" don't. Have you personally checked every single artist of fanfic writer? > but consume women's and then kick and scream about them.You have to be completely retarded to miss the argument. Your stupid ass site complains about men and that "men should die" while 90% of the series they discuss (just looking at the first page: TF2, Otsu, the vampire series and JJK, Golden Kamuy) are all done by men for men.In fact there may be only one series done by women in the first page and it's animetube, which is not even aimed at fujo.
>>3750053join russian fandom
>>3750058You really got your feelings hurt that badly by a few legbeards saying they hate men on a dead site? Even the women posting on 4chan have more balls than you. Sad.
>>3750061>You really got your feelings hurt that badly by a few legbeards saying they hate men on a dead site? Even the women posting on 4chan have more balls than you. Sad.>Shill her failed site>People point out why it sucks>Waaaaah you are not supposed to do that.Go back.
>>3750060Looks like you're spending more time on there than I ever have.
>>3750045>>3750058>Shounen Jump series>for menYeah, shounen means boy. It's for boys lol. Also Gotouge is a woman. Cry more faggot.
>>3750064>>Shounen Jump series>>for men>Yeah, shounen means boy.Is your argument that is not for me but for boys? Pathetic.>Also Gotouge is a womanProve. Wait, you can't because everything about Gotouge is a secret :^>Cry more faggot.Go back to your site telling people how the "Moids" on /cm/ where mean to you :( >>3750035Why are you still posting here? Answer it.
You don't want to fight with each other without at least posting images, right, anons...?
>>3750067Calm down, ESL-kun. No one can take you seriously.
>>3750063he secretly wants to post there but the mean cat ladies calling him a moid made him sad.
>>3750069Don't worry, the people on 4chan don't take women seriously either. Now why are you still posting here
>>3750067Of course not, anon! You're clearly just a boy, so you're definitely the target audience.Consider spending more of your time working on your English instead of sperging here.
>>3750053/y/ has a discussion board and men are allowed
>>3750073>Of course not, anon! You're clearly just a boy, so you're definitely the target audience.So why are "women" reading series for boy?
>>3750074Interestingly, that's also the only thread men don't post in.
>>3750076>Interestingly, that's also the only thread men don't post in.Men post there though.
>>3750073>Complains dudes leech on women for doujjin/art or whatever>Ignores 90% of the content made by women is from series aimed at men/boys.Come on don't be retarded now.
>>3750053I think BL died when fujos let genderspecials addicted to a Chinese psyop app dictate what is and isn't allowed in BL, or if BL should exist at all.>>3750068I dunno why people aren't ignoring that one angry woman-hating troll.
>>3750080>Posted a series made by a man
>>3750079English clearly isn't your forte. They were pointing out the irony of throwing tantrums over women existing while consuming their content.You have no evidence they have issues with men on the other hand so turning it around on them isn't applicable.
>>3750083>You have no evidence they have issues with menThis discussion was literally sparked by people shilling fujochan, a chan dedicated to hating men and that bans men>English clearly isn't your forteI'm actually worried about your reading and compression. Are you underage?
>>3750080It's not a 4chan discussion thread without at least one gender war, I suppose.
>>3750084Discussing something isn't shilling it. You have no evidence they post there.
>>3750086> Fujochan, Choachan for kpop stuff, and you can try some of the threads on lolcow farms I think they have ongoing fujo threads on /m/.And this is only one post. Moron.
>>3750085I mean, we actually have a nice "hide" button now without any special add-ons required. One click and useless tantrums are hidden. In fact, this thread itself can be hidden.
>>3750087>And this is only one post.14 days ago.The discussion which triggered your meltdown today was more like criticism then shilling. You just got so upset over the mere mention of the name that you couldn't think straight before posting.
>>3750089>14 days ago.Zoomer girl doesn't know about CTLR+F. Do you want some other examples, zoomer girl?
>>3750053Old 4chan had peaceful discussions about BL and homoposting without constantly berating the opposite gender. This whole gender war is a product of western social media that has brainwashed every fan into wanting to be a special snowflake, no matter how much ridiculous shitting they have to do on the other part of the fanbase. Lots of people whining about muh fujos living in delusion land, muh men invading my safe space, but all I see is newfags everywhere.
>>3750088As they should be!
>we need a place to discuss fujo interests>there are already plenty of female oriented sites to do that>yeah but they all suckfemale spaces like this don't work. There's not enough interest and the women that do use the spaces endlessly shame each for expressing "moid thoughts" which restricts them from posting freelyJust hop on tinder and let some random guy fuck the sorrow out of you
>>3749787i got permabanned from there for telling someone to relax with their white guilt. i wasn't even being a /pol/tard, they just came out of the blue to white knight blacks and complain about /pol/ when nobody was even talking about race. pretty weird. wouldn't be surprised if half the site got permabanned for dumb shit.
>>3750091I agree 100% that socmed and the need to feel special all the time did irreparable damage to fandom. Lots of conflicts caused by your average socially awkward, twitter-addicted attention whore.
>>3750068Favorite ship from pokemon, go.https://myreadingmanga.info/kemeo-love-me-right-pokemon-dj-eng/
>>3750122prove it anecdote-chan
I just want a space to post /cm/ AMVs :)
>>3750172there's an AMV thread on fujochan
>>3750172I think you can make an AMV thread here with some character-related fanart per post. We've had music threads before.
>>3750172people still make those?
>>3750201sounds very 2006..Anybody remember those chatroom fics on youtube?
This thread is a perfect example of why no one on /cm/ should ever talk
>>3750122They definitely ban peoplew for "acting like moids". Ironically I'm a man and I never got banned kek But it's not a site worth putting up with the retarded femcels.
>>3750059do they have any spesific website recs or are you talking vk and telegram?
>>3750102choachan worked tho so there is hope, lolcow just wasnt the right userbase.
>>3749930i prefer somewhat grounded, down to earth or at least plausible fiction as well. my taste is rather eclectic and the amount of tropes and figures i can tolerate varies greatly from (sub)genre to (sub)genre. in the end i just want to read about/watch guys being in love. doesn't even need to be explicit. but, as with everything, quality content is few and far between. i mean, finding a good thriller is hard enough. a good one with engaging bl-component? that's tough. as you said, we have to make do with what's available to us. how do you go about finding stuff that's worth your while?
>>3750203people make stuff like this nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh-EqX6pSzQ
Honestly why not make just BL threads on /cm/
Crystalcels or: How your tastes are shit and mine sacred.Now type more apes in captivity.
>>3750368I could make one, but I don't know what to put in the OP and simply copying /y/'s BL threads' OP is too lame for me.
>>3750416what if we started a manga recc thread?
>>3750416>>3750497I think a general /cm/ discussion thread would be better so we can discuss anime and /lit/ too
>>3750416>>3750527No trapshit/femboyshit allowed, right? I know I'm not the only one tired of these flat futas clogging every male-focus board, especially since the reveal of a certain tranny nun waifu.
>>3750529If you add words like shota, Bridget, futa, trap etc to your filters, you'll never see that stuff anywhere you go on 4chan. I filter way more than that.We had a "what BL/BL-adjacent shows and books are you consuming?" thread last year. That went fine.
>>3750529>thread hasn't even been made yet>already jerking off to the idea of banning people for posting related stuff you don't likeThis is why sites made by people like you never turn out well
>>3750416Something like /a/ homo threads. Basically a thread to talk about homoeroticism in anime and what not. It can also talk about BL manga, but that's likely going to just overlap with /y/>>3750529>>3750572Everything allowed on /cm/ should be allowed, otherwise you just end up with other failed fujo boards like fujochan where half of the posts are how "x should be banned". Also "femboy" definition is so vague. Lio is a femboy and hes' super popular with fujos and homos
>>3750613I like femboys, but I really hate when they're drawn pear-shaped (which is too common). They should have thin waists and broad shoulders, big hands, etc. You should be able to tell they're male without having to rely on seeing their dick.When they have tiny shoulders and a thicc ass, I'm reminded of horror body pics that are memes on /fit/Not saying people should be banned for posting stuff like this, just that they should be called a fag for their poor taste
Looks like somebody finally made a BL thread: >>3750676
>>3750416>>3750700Maybe instead of just being BL, it could just be a general discussion thread? Because I'd love to talk about seasonal anime or characters we ship. On /a/, it's always waifu this or waifu that, so it'd be nice to have a place to instead talk about husbandos or recommending fujobait-y manga. Otherwise we'd probably be stepping on /y/'s toes.
>>3750715>stepping on /y/'s toes.I don't think they care about /cm/ enough to be mad and some of us use both boards. Or in my case, I run around 20 different blue and yellow boards depending on what I'm up for. That said, we can't post actual yaoi panels etc here, maybe just non-explicit covers. I keep thinking I want to revisit the scanlation scene but I'm not in a manga mood these days.
>>3750746It's not about stepping toes, its' about redundancy. I agree with that anon that generalizing the thread about homo ships in anime is better than a strict focus on BL.Of course discussing BL is also fine
>>3750030>The obsessive usage of "moid" and whatnot comes from the aforementioned lolcow.As a denizen of the /trash/ general they definitely were fucking obsessed with the word moid and only made the chan because of all the "hey woman, man here" and "fucking moids in my space ree" fighting.
>>3751032>"hey woman, man here"to be fair that is ridiculously cringe tho