Birthday Boy EditionPrevious Thread: >>3597148
This cope art is cute
>K: Ikari-kun.>S: Nagisa-kun!>K: What're you doing out here?>S: There's some dandelions growing over here, come look>S: Haha, they're pretty aren't they? So fluffy, soft and pure white...they remind me of you Nagisa-kun.>S: And they look like they'll disappear if I touch them, just like with you...>S: ...Just kidding. Ah-!>S: (Did I say something weird!? I didn't mean to say the dandelions are pretty like he is in a weird way or anything! What should I do, did I weird him out?! >S: -I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like...!>K: Thank you, it makes me happy to know you see me in that way.>S: Nagisa-kun. >K: This yellow part of the dandelion reminds me of you, Ikari-kun.>S: Huh, me...?>K: In the language of flowers, dandelions symbolize the sun.>K: Just like how I feel all warm inside whenever I'm with you, Ikari-kun.>K: Look, they're very pretty.>K: Just like you!>S: (Bluuuuush)
>>3597899>K: And if I'm like the fluffy part of the dandelion as you say, then that means I'm only able to be here because I'm supported by you. >S: D-Don't say things like that! I'm the one who's...>S: Nagisa-kun, thank you.>K: Want to go play piano?>S: Sure!
>>3597900That was really cute. Thanks, anon.
>kaworu is the only one shinji doesn't have fight in battlefields to get a happy birthday
Marehito's doujin excerpt:https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/90343570
Panda's doujin excerpt:https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/90362756
Kannu's web-only3 manga (WIP):https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/90367956
Fucking hell, Kakure's doujin already sold out.
By the way, former YoI doujinka unico (POPOLO) recently joined us. Her stuff was top quality, may she stay for a long time.@u2co3
>>3598074I hope this means masumasu will come back to us too
>>3597803Did rebuild and it’s poor character development make Anna’s Kaworu the most disappointing Satan clone?Yes or No?
>>3598080No Rateru, Devilman wasn't that important for the development of Evangelion. We told you already
>>3598065Lots of things sold out in minutes
>>3598082I mean, this is her third doujin and she STILL can't predict the correct quantity. Her first took almost a month, her second was gone in under a week, and now she is surprised the stock didn't even last 24 hours. She is really bad at this.
>>3598083Wasn't she in another fandom before this? Some shounen sports shit one.
>>3598085Idolmaster has boys??
>>3598086Apparently it's called SideM.
>>3598083Well as you said, the last one took a week, maybe she was expecting something around that time. Besides, weren't there nip fujos that just moved on from nge because of the ending too? I could understand if she was unsure because of that, at least it was pre order for the event?
>>3598089>Besides, weren't there nip fujos that just moved on from nge because of the ending too?Some did, but overall the numbers have only increased. It's not a boom like after Q, but still a strong increase. For example for months they were practically raiding suriga-ya's stock. Someone in early march dropped their entire collection of 90s doujins and even that was gone in days.
>>3598092I wonder if it's been like that for other Eva ships or just Kawoshin
>>3598093Good question. I'm single fandom so I rarely interact with or watch the others.
>>3598092>the numbers have only increasedI feel like this is only because of the type of community the japanese kawoshin fandom is, like, if it were for Rebuild alone then you have nothing to work with after the story ends in 3.0+1.0, other than making stuff based on new merch like the "wedding" art. For Q you had "We'll meet again" to keep you waiting for the last movie so of course there was more hype let's say
>>3598099>you have nothing to work with after the story ends in 3.0+1.0I don't know about that, I've seen a lot of doujins/art of them in the Neon Genesis world working at the same company or living together
>>3598100And that is mostly because of their headcanon of Mari being manga Mari and in love with Yui. That's a thin thread. The rest obviously don't give a fuck and when they move on it'll be because some other series caught their attention
>>3598099>you have nothing to work with after the story ends in 3.0+1.0Kek, they manage it just fine. Japanese women have an unhealthy obsession with office love stories. It's honestly nauseating.
>>3598103Regardless the movie gave them a lot to work with in terms of making stories for fics and doujins just based on the fact Kaworu and Shinji are both alive and in the same town
>>3598105And if anything they are probably writing more stories based on canon than ever. The movie ending gave them the banal boring mundane AU 90% of the doujins and fics always used. If I had a buck for every fic where Shinji, ace of the sales department at NERV falls in love with Kaworu, grandson of the owner of the multinational company SEELE....
>>3598106Now that you mention it, yeah it's fucking crazy how much nips love AUs. Even with 3.0 I think I saw just as much doujins of Kaworu/Shinji in a normal world going to school together as I did with doujins taking place during their time at Nerv together.
>>3598112They do, it's insane how little they want to work with canon. The most popular fanfictions are iirc without exception AU stories. And it's nothing new, even the EoE Afters were the same shit. Everyone returns from tang and you get endless high school/社会人 drama.
>>3598118I sort of get why though, writing a story during the events of NGE or rebuild means having to work with Eva's very inconsistent lore and come up with fitting scenarios, mech battles, etc.
>>3598124Yeah that's true. Actually, now I remember one fanfic that did it. I'm not sure if it had shipping or not because that... thing had the length of 10 telephone books and I'm not a masochist. It was one of the most autistic things I have ever witnessed.
What is this?https://twitter.com/evangelion_co/status/1401675272986914817
>>3598132I'm guessing they'll tell us about Commander Kaworu and the Third Impact after all. In like ~20 manga pages.>EVANGELION:3.0+1.01Huehuehuehue
>>3598132New version of the movie with animation corrections will start airing June 12th. Similar to how 3.333 was.
Any new info since the movie came out? Not like I can trust /a/ to find out
>>3598140What kind of info?
>>3598141Staff commentary, interviews that shed further light on movie context, etc
>>3598142The Newtype interviews. But it's hard to say much about them since we don't have, or at least I don't think we have scans.
>>3598132I don't normally mock random twitter comments, but lel at that comment bitching about no LAS wedding.>I thought that in this movie we were going to have the first couple from different countries but I see that Japan is not prepared for this, what a pityThis is the funniest thing I have read all week.
>>3598147Someone should tell that dude that Mari is from England lmao
>>3598150Just tell him that Asuka was born from an interracial marriage.
>>3598142Does this count? >>3594929
That page count is low even for a doujin, how much story they can tell with it? Watch it be the cut Misato, Ritsuko, and Kaji drinking in a bar scene and nothing else.
>>3598159Idk, they might want to milk Commander Nagisa for how popular he turned out to be
>>3598160How popular? We don't even get that much fanart of it anymore. It was almost like a flavor of the week.
Between Iseki and Maeda what are the odds that we get a new Kawoshin art?
>>3598159>page count is lowIt sounds like it'll be written info with some illustrations here and there
>>3598161Because it was all you could draw at the time since he was shown in a new promotional video. Then when it was safe to post spoilers more frecuently they just focused on his instrumentality scene
>>359815936 pages definitely doesn’t sound like enough to go over every character for the 14 years that happened
>>3598163漫画 “EVANGELION:3.0(-120min.)”収録これまで語られることのなかった『ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:Q』前日譚企画・原作・監修 庵野秀明脚本・監督 鶴巻和哉漫画 松原秀典 前田真宏And at least 10 bonus illustrations by various artists out of the 36 total page count..
>>3598162If this is before Q then very low
>>3598161It's like one of the most talked about things from the movie, people want to know what the hell went on during the timeskip
>>3598167The manga is a Q prequel, but the illustrations are a separate thing.
>>3598168Do you think this booklet will satisfy the average nip?
>>3598162Iseki could draw one last Kaworu Maeda could finish pic related
>>3598166Waitasecond>3.0(-120min)>-120minThis is going to be about Operation US, lel.
>>3598172Fuck, it’s also called “day before Q”. It probably actually is about it
>>3598172>>3598173Well there's still the extra unrelated illustrations. Honestly it doesn't matter what it's about to me anynmore since the lore doesn't matter in the end
>>3598172>>3598173So just boring ass Wille shit again
>>3598177Well we might get one panel of Kaworu being all wow shinji ur coming home :)
>>3598177Sadly, it’s very likely
Also, from Yamashita’s tweets, it seems that it was drawn by both Maeda and Matsuraba
>>3598181Is this artist a kawoshinfag or not? They drew Karla x Shaun today
>>3598185I still have no idea, lmao
>>3598185>Karla x ShaunLink?
>>3598189A little bithttps://twitter.com/pwpwap/status/1401580769869328386?s=19
>>3598132Oh man they are desperate to redeem this movie with fans. I thought it was over, Anno.
>>3598190Looks like yuri kawoshin
>>3598200I thought it might be too but I can't really tell
>>3598177Have you never watched the Avant of Q and wondered>This is fine, this is fine, but boy I wonder what happened 2 hours ago
It's 16 pages.wowitsfuckingnothing.jpg
>>3598226The manga is being drawn by Tsurumaki??
>>3598229Tsurumaki did the writing, art is by Maeda and Matsubara.
>>3598231>Tsurumaki did the writingIs this confirmed? I know that the other two did the art, but I haven’t seen anything about him yet
>>3598232>Is this confirmed?Uh, yeah. See >>3598166>脚本・監督 鶴巻和哉
>>3598231>Tsurumaki did the writingDamn, 16 pages of Shikinami wank confirmed
>>3598236You just know. Even the announcement art put her in a new plugsuit, because of course.
>>3598240Slim chance it could include some Kaji/Kaworu too because he's the one that came up with that in the first place
>>3598248Still the best thing to come out of this movie
>>3598248I legit hope the manga will be Misato PoV. That's the only thing that could somewhat justify its existence.
>>3598339mr.Q's doujin is a mafia AU? Kek, I think that's a first for us.
Has this telephone card art appeared anywhere else?>>3598364I think you are right. There was a mafia AU printed fanfic made for one of the Rendans, but this could be our first doujin.
>>3598081>anno says Eva = Devilman and NausicaAnd in the end his films with their flat characters proved equal to neither Tell me Anno’s female protagonist (Mari) with her zero personality beats complex Deuterotagonists like Kushana
>>3598422>Anno saysthere's your problem
http://loopingworld.com/2013/09/27/nausicaa-of-the-valley-of-the-wind/> According to Anno, Evangelion ended up being a cross between Devilman and volume seven of the Nausicaa manga. At an “ideological” level, Anno had to arrive at the same answers. The most disappointing pupilPersonalityless waifus and unexplained deus machina over a coherent message or striking characters I bet Go Nagai wishes Miura wasn’t the one who died
>>3598427>According to AnnoThere's your problem
>>3598427>>3598422All this proves is that Kaworu is far more inspired by Selm than Ryo, which anyone with a single brain cell could figure out.
>In the Kaworu complementation scene, Mr. Kaji's comment sounds like he has a malicious intent. The person I went to see the movie with also said that the choice of words in that scene was strange... Reading the director's misconduct report, it seems that director Anno has a unique way of using words, so maybe that's why it came out that way? But I wonder if anyone else pointed out this line.>I'm not sure if anyone else pointed out this line, but it was said during Kaworu's Q, but with Shin, it seems like the loop theory has been confirmed and he's being called incompetent more and more.Huh
>>3598427>loopingworldshinji-kun i'm loooooooooooooooooooooping
>>3598464Looks like this comes from someone who thinks Shinworu was actually doing something other than sit on the same spot all day thinking about how he would meet Shinji and sacrifice himself for the wish that would finally give him happiness in all those loops. He genuinely believed that was his only option
>>3598462Both still are better characters than any of the characters anno actually wrote. After he got rid of all the talented writers who carried him in the past, Anno’s writing abilities and creativity were on full display for final
>>3598464>Kaji's comment sounds like he has a malicious intentAre they saying that Kaworu or Kaji has malicious intent?
>>3598472>Anno’s writing abilities and creativity were on full display for finalThey obviously weren't because he made Rebuild only to have something to Khara's name. He started without a plan and ended without a plan. Now to judge what current Anno can do you have to watch his Ultraman movie, that is a project he actually cares about
>>3598480No they are saying that they took Kaji's "you were trying to be happy by making him happy" as him saying Kaworu did everything wrong
>>3598464>the loop theory has been confirmed and he's being called incompetent more and more.The Chad Karl and the Virgin Looper
>>3598478>no shinji plugsuit bfIt's all so tiresome.
Advanced relation algebra.
>>3598500And that is only counting Kaworu and Shinji, everyone is Gendo in this movie
Ha ha I thought only we were cursed, but I've just seen someone retweet ReiShin 2814.
>>3598512which one is 28
>>3598512I think I know what exactly you are referring to, lmao
i just love shinji and kawo guys
>>3598497The Chadliest chad to ever grace a manga
Any Chinese anons here willing to translate?https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/90413215This is the first time since 2013 that mos is drawing Eva.
Lol imagine being this delusionalhttps://www.arqacrypha.net/post/eva-3-0-1-0-cc-ad-translation-pt-4
>>3598667Fucking lel, this is literally, and I mean literally Nietzsche's way of describing the concept of eternal recurrence, or "time itself is a circle". Literally, from the Japanese editions of Thus Spoke Zarathustra:>時間自体、一つの円である (過去は未来に影響し、これを決定する。すなわち過去は未来につながり、円環をなしている)
>>3598669Their crazy ass still believes Asuka was originally merged with Kaworu as the first angel Adam, it's amazing.
>>3598629>only kaworu to ever get a kiss and love confession and die on his terms >not a chadHe wasn’t even supposed to be a protag but Sadamoto says he had such charm as to grab the limelight, also break the no romance rule and in general distort the story around him He is the opposite to qworu’s widely acknowledged incompetence
>>3598696>love confession and die on his termsAnimeworu got this too, and way better.The one thing Karl wanted was to not be forgotten by Shinji, and he ends up getting forgotten. He's a failure and completely pointless in hindsight, he never accomplishes anything and his feelings weren't even born of his own will but taken from Rei. Worst woru.>qworu’s widely acknowledged incompetenceCall him incompetent all you want, he's alive and happy and got what he wanted which are all things you can't say for Karl.
>>3598697>he ends up getting forgottenBecause Shinji dies a day after Karl does.And the colored art Sadamoto drew to end the manga says they’ll met again in the reborn world so honestly a far better end for him than qworu>alive and happy About as alive and happy as the amnesiac human Satan was at the end of devilman/start of Violence jack. It’s crazy to claim what was a bad end to devilman is a good end here.
>>3598714>And the colored art Sadamoto drew to end the manga says they’ll met again in the reborn worldThis is a massive cope lmao. A single fanservice drawing is not a confirmation of anything especially considering Rei is there too despite being confirmed perma dead in the final chapter. Contrast that with Rebuild's ending of Kaworu happy and alive with his own life. He gets the far better deal and is actually a character of his own agency unlike the dude who's feelings were fucking Rei's in the first place.
>>3598718>massive cope lmaoTake it up with Sadamoto leaving that as his bookend. > copeMuch less than claiming Anno pulling a Yahweh and making Kaworu like Ryo in violence jack is a fitting end.Incidentally, Ogata saying her Shinji got left behind just makes it more hilariously like violence jack. Since you got a salaryman stranger, and the child left behind in the red shore Guess the salary man is either an imposter or Shinji’s soul broke into little shards scattered across the multiverse
>>3598723>Take it up with Sadamoto leaving that as his bookend.The bookend is Shinji walking into the snow not knowing ANYONE or any of the events of the manga, Karl was literally not remembered by him. Nothing he did mattered in the end. How the fuck is that a happy ending for him in comparison to Qworu that got everything he wanted?
>>3598730>Qworu that got everything he wanted?Shinji who he vowed to protect broke into little soul shards, scattered across universes Qworu is amnesiac, powerless, stuck in a universe where there are still gods (Mari)tampering with the fabric of life and who he is. His last memories before he died and was reborn was that he’s a failure. The person he’s closest to might not even exist. It’s literally violence jack’s prologue.>walking into the snow not knowing ANYONEHe’s literally meeting all his old friends again (Kensuke, Asuka) and making friends, on a better foot. So yeah, not a stretch to take the closing artwork in context of that. And ending offering hope versus one of hopelessness, failure and loss.
>>3598736Are you writing a fanfic? Because everything you just said is headcanon.
>>3598736>His last memories before he died and was reborn was that he’s a failure.???His last memories are walking happily with Kaji on the farm and then smiling with Rei. Karl literally doesn’t exist in the final manga chapter.
>>3598739>ogata says Shinji was left behind Like her interpretation better than the Michael bay hamfisted ending Anno tries to force
>>3598741Ogata said she FELT like Shinji was left behind because she didn't get to voice adult Shinji you fucking retard.
>>3598742It makes a whole lot more sense than some hamfisted ending where with deus ex machina, no character development or justification Anno tries to spin a bad end into a fix for all
>>3598740Don't bother, that Devilmanfag genuinely thinks Karl showing up in a single illustration means he got a happier ending despite being completely forgotten and never mentioned again after his death.
>>3598746Keep telling yourself that, the entire nip fandom, artists and Ogata don’t see it your way.
>>3598752The entire nip fandom is generally happy with the ending Kaworu got though
>>3598753Why has Shinji been left behind then? And why are so many like Ishida not impressed by the ending?
>>3598736>And ending offering hope versus one of hopelessness, failure and loss.Shinji literally doesn't remember anything in the Manga ending, he's practically an entirely different person. Not only does that make the whole of the Manga's story pointless, but also Karl's existence pointless. The one thing Karl wanted he didn't get. An utter failure to the very end and not even a well written character.
>>3598755>Karl wanted he didn't get. An utter failureHe got Shinji while he lived. And he’s reborn, seemingly without all the suffering and test tube baby stuff that made what he was in the manga
>>3598755>not even a well written character.Ishida stayed away from final because he thought it a trainwreck. So take it up with him about who’s badly written.
>>3598754>>3598757>Why has Shinji been left behind then?He hasn't you retard. Shinji grew up and is an adult in the ending, that's why he has the DSS Choker in the first place. Because he remembered everything. >He got Shinji while he lived. He got REJECTED by Shinji at every single turn while he lived. Not a single trace of affection his way. Instead he had to listen to Shinji continue to simp for Rei like the cuck he is.>And he’s rebornHe's not. It's not shown in the Manga anywhere that he was reborn, a single fanservice illustration is just that. It's not canon and never will be.>>3598758>Ishida stayed away from final because he thought it a trainwreckBro what the FUCK are you talking about? You're just straight up pulling shit out of your ass now. Ishida's first line in his interview was thanking Kaworu and Shinji for all their hard work lmao.
Why do you keep talking to Rateru? Remember she hates Rebuild because everyone found out she was lying and not living in Japan like she liked to larp, then she completely moved to Devilman and Karl to cope, now shut up
>>3598760>He hasn't you retardI’d rather Ogata and the fan artist interpretation than a terribly written movie. At least those make it mildly interesting. Remaking the world required using him/leaving him behind in the world.>FUCK are you talking aboutYou’re coping, Ishida barely participated in final or recorded new lines. He even criticized the plot. Doesn’t seem at all like he thought it wasn’t terribly written.When your actors talk or paper over your plot holes it’s never a good sign. Seems like Sakamoto wasn’t impressed either.
>>3598761>every Karl bro= RateruLiterally who?Point is taken, I do see pixiv and others moving on to the manga and as a long time fan that’s welcome.
>>3598761True. Sadly no one cares about Devilman so she still comes here
Chika found a way to make Shinji both a girl and a boy at the same timehttps://twitter.com/UWufWU/status/1402241292583596034
>>3598764>I do see pixiv and others moving on to the mangaLike 90% of the doujins released for this event were Rebuild Kawoshin bro
>>3598766>yfw the Japanese fandom thinks Karl is a very charming manI for one am glad he’s basking in the attention and art he deserves
>>3598773>碇シンジ(28)、職業VTuberI can imagine her excitement when she realized she could do this
>>3598762> He even criticized the plotHe criticized Gendo's redemption, and I agree with him it's garbage. I don't think it's a stellar ending by any means, but the Manga ending is far worse. I find it pretty hypocritical that you'll criticize one but not the other when they both "reset" the world except this time Shinji actually remembers everything so his experiences and relationships thus far were not in vain. I don't give a fuck if you like Karl or not, just don't start sucking Sadamoto's shriveled cock for his terribly written ending and the absolutely retarded "closure" Karl's character arc got.
>>3598783Don't bother, it's a fake Karlfag, using him as a way to shit on NGE and Rebuild just because. She doesn't even understand Karl at all we had this conversation a million times already
>>3598786That would explain why she didn't respond to any of my criticism about Karl's character lol
>>3598773She must be ecstatic. Give it a year and maybe she'll take the leap into futa country.Also damn, this must be the manliest Shinji she has ever drawn.
>>3598773>>3598778That one comment saying something like>This must be a timeline where adult Shinji still has Ogata's voice
>>3598755>Shinji literally doesn't remember anything in the Manga endingHonestly, better this way than remembering everything and then leaving everyone behind for Mari. And after they emphasize Anime/Qworu had to devote himself to Shinji's happiness in multiple timelines and died. Karl got off way easier and people can headcanon post manga how they want in the new world without the narrative being ruled by Anno's therapy about leaving Eva so Shinji has to leave everyone and grow up.
>>3598793>without the narrative being ruled by Anno's therapy about leaving Eva so Shinji has to leave everyone and grow up.Not one person came out and said this so far, so for the time being Rebuild plays by the same headcanon rules as the manga. Hell, Sadamoto flat out said that Asuka at the end means fucking nothing, but LASfags both nip and western still insist it's a LAS ending. So, you know.
>>3598793>then leaving everyone behind for MariBut the whole point of the last sequence is everyone finding their own place to belong and mutually parting ways. You can call it contrived and retarded that they have to part ways in the first place, but that's still what it is. There's no leaving or abandoning. >And after they emphasize Anime/Qworu had to devote himself to Shinji's happiness in multiple timelines and died.And then he's saved from that fate in this movie and gets to finally live his own life and find his own happiness. Yes, that's an immensely better ending than Karl being dead and gone forever.
>>3598800Rebuild explicitly kills every single Shinji ship with the ending. Manga sticks to the status quo of leaving it up in the air in a total reset with some fanservicey art of all the kids together. Remains to be seen if Khara will do the same for salary man Shinji but I don't think it's likely given the framing of that final scene and Anno's relief to be free of eva. There would be no reason to have him flirty with the girl made to "destroy eva" and not even waving at Kaworu and Rei or showing more acknowledgment between them for a second.
>>3598812So you think it's a bad ending because your ship didn't happen? Lmao. >Manga sticks to the status quo of leaving it up in the air How is this a good thing? It just shows Sadamoto pussying out, at least Anno has the balls to destroy Eva like he set out to do.
>>3598802So you are happy with QKaworu finding his place to belong on a farm as a third wheel to Kaji + Misato or with Rei after being cucked by Mari and having multiple lives and sacrifices solved by a 2 minute talk? As weird as the manga ending was I don't think it can compare to Rebuild's spitefulness.
>>3598812Here's the thing, anon. You say there is no reason, but that does not change the fact that nothing explicit happens in the ending, and nothing is explained. What you say is your interpretation, and not the universal truth written in the stars that will smite you with divine judgement if you deviate from it. Thus until this changes, they can headcanon whatever, which is literally what they are already doing.
>>3598818I am happy that Kaworu was finally given the free will to choose his own happiness. Kaworu is the one who makes the decision to live on the farm with Kaji and Misato, Kaworu is the one who chooses to form a bond with Rei. His happiness is genuine, he's happy saying goodbye to Shinji, and he's happy to look forward with his own life. I'm not saying it's a well written ending by any means, but it's still objectively a better ending than Karl being dead and forgotten forever.Again, don't try and slurp Sadamoto's cock and his terrible writing just to try and spite people who prefer Rebuild.
>>3598819Damn I didn't think people would still be in the denial phase
>>3598826Very rich coming from the Karlfag who thinks he got reborn because of a single drawing despite not showing up once in the final chapter.
>>3598826Cope. You can't tell the fandom what to believe.
>>3598823>live on the farm with Kaji and MisatoDidn't Misato turn into a spear?
>>3598830Yes but Kaji offers Kaworu to live on the farm with him and her during his instrumentality so people assume Shinji is able to bring her and others back to life.
h- hey guys wanna hear about my kaworu timeloops fanfiction?
>>3598823That all sounds nice on paper for him and is something I'd like if it were actually shown and developed and seemed like it was planned. But that is not the case with Rebuild making him more Shinji-centric until Anno realizes he needs to give him a semblance of an arc/screentime cause they have been marketing him hard for Rebuild. Until the reset ending I still see the manga as much more cohesive and true to what it wanted to do and get across instead of using the characters as props and stand-ins for the author, but worse than before. Rebuild is absolutely directionless. The crc confirms how many different tracks the people involved were and Anno admitted he had no idea what to do after 3.0. I don't think Sadamoto ever lost the plot so bad until it came to the finale but the bar is on the floor here.
>>3598832I just find it dubious that sacrificing yourself for the wish means permadeath, but not transforming into the spear that carries the wish out. It would also take the impact of Misato's sacrifice away if it was reversed just 5 minutes after she made it, though it's not like I expect much from this writing.
>>3598832Not him but literally how the fuck
>>3598827That's a headcanon while onscreen Mari and Shinji get a romantic ending sequence where Shinji flirts with her and they run off hand in hand. If that was with any other girl or even Kaworu would you seriously argue it was not a pairing end?
>>3598840It is a widely held belief that the final scene of End of Evangelion represents something other than a disgusting murder attempt where Shinji tries to choke the living shit out of Asuka.
>>3598840I'm not even that guy I just find it hilarious you're calling us out on headcanons when you're the one who thinks Karl got "reborn without any suffering" because of one fucking fanservice drawing. It's as retarded as Asushinfags thinking that one calendar picture is canon.
>>3598836Not those anons but by what you are saying, Rebuild is still better than the manga. Rebuild tries to give an arc to these characters and carry the story to an end, while in the manga literally everything that happened means nothing because the world is reset in a way were not even Shinji gets an ending that comes from whatever he did before. It all goes back to square 1. Also all that about Anno just doing this because of the marketing is the same as Sadamoto adding Kaworu to his story only because he's a popular character. What another similatiry? Anno forced himself to finish this shit story jut like Sadamoto forced himself to finish his shit manga. Both of them were sick of working on their products. Karl's arc ends in nothing, he wanted to be remembered and that doesn't happen because everything is retset. Qworu wanted Shinji to find his happiness and Shinji is going to do that at the end of this movie.
>>3598836For the hundredth time, I'm not saying Rebuild is a stellar ending. It has a lot of problems and should've dedicated far more time to developing all of its non-Shinji characters including Kaworu. But as it stands it's still a far better ending than the Manga because at least it actually SAYS something. A meta message of moving on from Eva is still better than the Manga ending which has no message at all. An ending of Kaworu living with Kaji or Rei and making the decision to seek out his own happiness beyond Shinji is a better ending than Karl being dead and forgotten having achieved nothing. Kaworu and Shinji mutually finding closure with each other and parting ways is better than Shinji forgetting Karl. As it stands imo:TV End > EoE >>>>>>>>>> Rebuild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > MangaDon't defend literal garbage to try to stick it to an ending which is a bit less shitty.>>3598837Yeah I agree, it's a copout to imply Misato and others can come back to life. There's no permanency to anything nor any real consequences to any of Shinji's decisions.
>>3598860>A meta message is still better than no message at allThat's subjective, personally I always had a burning hatred for everything meta. If you need to shoehorn meta into your fiction to such an extent that meta completely overtakes it then you have no business peddling fiction in the first place.
>>3598864Damn, you must really hate NGE and EoE's endings then.
>>3598866I am not 100% satisfied with EoE, that's for sure. But nah, the meta didn't hijack either of those endings. They are self-contained and deliver their message within the bounds of the story.
>>3598867Shin Eva still conveys the message of growing up and putting others before oneself, the moving on from Eva meta doesn't come in until the very very last scene. You can argue the message isn't a very good one or that it's poorly portrayed, but it's still something over the Manga's nothing.
>>3598870The meta aspect begins as soon as they enter the minus universe, that is much longer than just the final scene. I'm not defending the manga here, I removed your references to Rebuild and Sadamoto's crap because I was arguing with your point in general. Having some kind of message is not inherently better than having no message at all. And I think it would be an understatement to call the value of making that message one which examines the work as fiction, rather than a message that works within the fiction, especially when it happens out of the blue at the end of a tetralogy, subjective.
>>3598872>I removed your references to Rebuild and Sadamoto's crap because I was arguing with your point in generalYou were literally arguing Sadamoto's ending is better than Rebuild, unless you're not the original person I was replying to and if that's the case you should say so instead of barging into our conversation like a cunt.
>>3598873I am not the Karlfag you've been arguing with until now. Sorry about the confusion.
>>3598874In that case, yes:>Having some kind of message is not inherently better than having no message at allI 100% agree with this, I find the meta bullshit in Rebuild in extremely poor taste and an excuse to cover up blatantly lazy writing. I was only arguing on the basis that even with all its flaws Rebuild still manages to be a better ending than the Manga's and Qworu is handled far better than Karl. Of course that says more about how bad Sadamoto's writing is than anything else.
>>3598875Completely agreed with everything.
>>3598766>>3598773>make Shinji both a girl and a boy at the same timeTbh merely having boobies while being a male character makes Ryo and Go Nagai angels cooler than kaworu
>>3598860>Don't defend literal garbage toToo bad Sakamoto and others thought they acted in literal garbage Imagine hiring an Alist for a shoddily written character
>>3597971Ah, she finished it. This was very nice.
>>3598882Not that anon but funny that you think Sakamoto thought of this as anything other than a paycheck
>>3598880What does giving him boobs because the author didn't want to commit to him having a male body (and because booba in general) in that one have anything to do with Chika making Adult Vtuber Shinji have a girl avatar?
>>3598880Doesn't Ryo keep getting cucked by Miki in literally every spinoff Nagai shits out?
>>3598880Boobs on men is shit taste. Now having a vagina under your balls otoh has literally zero downsides.
>>3598906It works if they’re cute like Satan, your idea just sounds gross and unsanitary
>>3598901>in literally Just devilman, and Ryo kills her for it.She doesn’t exist in devilman lady at all or the sequels
>>3598487what's the name of this doujin again?
>>3599533It’s one of Meco’sShe drew the best Karlshaun ever