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Hold the heck on, Shinji will be getting a Desktop Army figure? For some reason I was under the impression that DTA only does girls.
>>3505781Idk maybe they are exploiting the femboy look? Look at those hips.
>>3505763In the drafts Kaworu was German, I’m the Anime he’s Antartican
>>3505782Dunno if it's exploiting, but it's true that he fits eerily well into the Asuka, Mari, Rei, ReiQ lineup.
>>3505783And in Rebuild he's from the moon.
>>3505783Then it all comes down to getting himself acknowledged as the sovereign authority of Antarctica and pass a same-sex marriage bill. After that Japan will allow Shinji to get gay married in the deadlands of Antarctica. Easy.
>>3505785Can I get a link to this artist?
>>3505803No problem, this is their pixiv account btwhttps://www.pixiv.net/en/users/2511158
Kaworu was controlled Unit 02 in the episode right? So he was making the unit hold hands with Unit 01?
>>3505784>>3505781Nice! I'm gonna buy it.
Anyone got this in better res?
>>3506713shinji is always cute
honestly i feel better knowing that i can relate to shinji. Its just nice to have a character that shares the same struugles as you. I feel like i'm not alone
I don't relate to any of the characters.The closest thing is that I would like to be an absolute chad like Kaworu.
Shinji is hands down the character I empathize most with, by a wide margin. But I can only identify with one or two of his many issues, so it's mainly really just empathy on my part. I want that kid to be happy goddamnit.
>>3506880>>3506881>>3506882this was one of the saddest eva doujins I've ever read
>>3506883why do you empathize with shinji the most? why not the other characters? i'm really curious sorru if i'm too pushy
>>3506883Me too, anon, me too.
The Movic calendar is late. Usually they'd have it on sale by now, but it hasn't even been announced yet.
>>3506975Kaworu teaching Shinji how to swim would have been such a good scene, shame they never used it
>>3506982Thanks anon, now I'm imagining Q's piano montage but with synchronized swimming.
>>3506974I just noticed Shinji has an engagement ring on here
>>3506982It’s my favorite scene from the drafts
Thought you guys would like to know that I decided to finally be the change I wanted to see and edited/re-worked a certain someone's shitty "contributions" to the KawoShin shipping page on the Shipping wiki, complete with citations/linked evidence. It's not much, as I obviously still can't edit other wikis or anything, but maybe it could help. I just couldn't bear seeing blatantly untrue shit like Kawoshin "decreasing in popularity" next to other Eva ships when it's the most popular ship in Japan and other obvious shipping denial all over it. I also saved my edits in a separate doc in case he decides to fuck with it again (I meant to do this for a while but didn't have the time). EG bullshit aside, thought the page could act as a good resource, regardless. I might add some other small stuff, I dunno.So, enjoy.
>>3507524Just went and read it, good shit anon.
>>3507524Thanks for putting the effort in anon, I looked through the edit history and you-know-who apparently checks back very frequently to see whether his edits have been changed or not. So we'll see whether this stays or not.I'd really just like to clean up Kaworu's entire wiki page by translating it word from word to how it is in his Japanese wiki article so no one can complain about any bias, but looking at the edit history he quickly reverts any changes made within weeks there too so it feels like there's no point.
>>3507526Thanks!>>3507594I suspected. I’ll easily change it if he does again, as I said, that’s why I saved the text. This is getting out of hand. You can’t just edit out shit that personally bothers you because you can’t handle a gay ship. And honestly, that sounds like a wonderful idea. If you were ever down to do it, I’d support you and I guess I could help make sure it won’t get edited again. You could also just backup like I just did - I’d personally be interested in seeing what the Japanese wiki says anyway.
>>3507597His Japanese wiki page (and all of the Eva character's pages) is very clean, it gives a prompt summary of his appearances in the show/movies/manga, quotes from Anno + Sadamoto about his character, and how he was somewhat inspired by Ikuhara. Basically it's written very matter-of-factly so there can't be any bias. Exactly how a wiki article should be written imo.There's 'no controversy' or 'character reaction' tabs like there are in his English page.
>>3507524Looks like it's already been tampered with. Godspeed, anon.If I can suggest anything, there should be a separate section for supplementary material so that you don't have to throw all of that in the Fanon section.
>>3507524Thank you anon! I still remember when I visited their shipping page and was horrified with what I was reading. I really thought that it was a different ship or that I watched a different version of the story.I really hope THAT guy stops with it already. He is obsessed at this point and I overall dislike his Eva takes.
>>3507789Fucking hell, he works fast doesn’t he. I’ll fix it. He can’t just delete straight up links and citations, fuck this guy. Separate section might be nice, but from the way this wiki is structured it seems that it only has the “fanon” section? Maybe I haven’t looked at enough pages.
>>3507789Yeah that was fast. I'd also like to give two suggestions. Let the semi-canon status be. For one, picking fights with an admin will get you nowhere, and that admin already ruled against the Asushin faggot more than once. But also, Asushin is similarly tagged semi-canon, and as both are only explicit in spin-offs I'd say it's fair enough.Other than that, I think you should be able to put some of the removed stuff back if you change their context. They were scrapped with the "dubious claim" justification, and that's hard to challenge. Rather, play along. This is all about quality after all. Instead of using it as a measure of popularity, make a Tanabata subsection where you present how the star-crossed lover symbolism had been recurring in everything from promotion (Q poster), the movie (screenshot), staff interview (the seiyuu thing), and collaboration (the Ladybear ice cream thing). Instead of just linking sources like a laundry list, it would be better to present them with embedded images and whatever template wikia has for quotes. Make it nicely structured and easy to read for someone who is not familiar with all of this. Since the star-crossed lover tag is already in the infobox I don't think something like this would be easy to attack without showing obvious bias, and it would get about half of your removed sources back in the article. Also let's save this for later, but instead of simply mentioning official art, making a gallery of them should be a no-brainer. Pictures speak for themselves. Anyway if you dump your planned edits on pastebin in advance we might be able to weed out the bits that are likely to get edited out.
>>3507837Thank you so much anon. I kind of felt that I could have formatted stuff better but was in a rush. If you guys could help me with that bit or even include stuff I miss (what’s the Labybear ice cream thing?) that would be lovely. I’ll put it in a pastebin when I get home.Could I contact this admin? I don’t want to stay in a 24/7 wiki war but I want to keep this dumb guy from tampering with the page so much as he’s clearly omitting important information.
>>3507840Same anon here, I misread. Just checked the page and it wasn’t THAT guy who changed it but I’m guessing the person you’re referring to as the admin?
>>3507836>but from the way this wiki is structured it seems that it only has the “fanon” section?Here's the style guide, this is what you'll have to work with:https://shipping.fandom.com/wiki/Shipping_Wiki:Manual_of_Style#Headings.2FSectionsThat's kind of strict, but Behind the Scenes and Trivia should do.>>3507840>Could I contact this admin?Changing it back to semi-canon was an admin edit, so they are watching. You shouldn't bother them yet. If things get ugly start a Talk page, that will get their attention in a more neutral way.The LadyBear thing was this:https://twitter.com/LadyBear_info/status/1280049428271775744It's only worthwhile if you want to unload a whole bunch of Tanabata shit, but it helps to drive the point home.
>>3507841RABNerd VP who changed the status back to semi-canon is an admin, the Asushin fag who scrapped most of your stuff is not. This admin previously rolled back edits and even protected the page once when denial got to the point of vandalism.
>>3507843Okay, well the only thing the admin changed was that and that’s honestly fine. It appears that the person who deleted and changed the majority of my edits was not F but this person (Trkasu), apparently another AsuShin shipper (which they state in their profile) who I guess ALSO watches the page?
I'm back. I made a pastebin: https://pastebin.com/A3ut479MIt's not formatted or anything yet, I just copy-pasted my edits and also dumped links to supplemental material at the end that I kept or discovered over the years as a resource, including some things that can/should be re-worked into the body paragraphs according to proper wiki guidelines.
>>3507831I hope he moves on to something else after 3.0+1.0 comes out, he's apparently made several accounts on Reddit and the wikis just for this purpose.
>>3507846>>3507881May I suggest changing the possible crush -> mutual attraction? If the Asushin page has it the Kawoshin page should have it too. "Attraction" is vague enough that the no homo-ers won't get rid of it. Maybe.Also this line:>The decision to translate "suki" as "like" as opposed to "love" as in the DVD translation had sparked controversy among Kawoshin shippers and non-shippers alike. I think it'd be worth noting that in the Netflix translation Kaworu's suki is translated as "like" in ep24 but then translated as "love" in the EoE scene which would go against detractors saying it was intentionally changed to be "more accurate" on Khara's part.
>>3507881My autism took over and I took a crack at writing out the body paragraphs for the supplementary material. I even tried to remain as neutral as possible by including Ogata's comments. I know we wanted to include the Tanabata stuff, but I have no idea how to include that when the article seems focused on just NGE. Hopefully, this helps you out a bit: https://pastebin.com/ib7nHpBiFunny how the Asushin page doesn't include any of the whole 'Shinji choking out Asuka and masturbating over her comatose body' ordeal. Or any of Yuko Miyamura's comments regarding Asushin. Only the Kawoshin page has to remain "unbiased", how cute.
>>3507892Good input. >>3507964Thanks a ton anon. I'll try to do some more of this when I have time. Ogata's stuff is weird because she says that but then says that Shinji was never sad in NGE and that Kaji was the best person for Shinji. I think she just tries to be "unbiased" but then just makes herself look bad in the process, she's also joked about Kaworu and Shinji in a pretty sexual way before. >Only the Kawoshin page has to remain "unbiased", how cute.And on top of that, when I look at other shipping pages (outside of NGE, and including non-canon couples), I don't see stuff about "detractors say this". The Shipping wiki seems to be about listing all the pros/extra material and moments between couples, like, this is "why fans ship x". So that Kawoshin's page has that kind of stuff isn't even the standard to begin with. I don't understand why they can't just keep their shit on their own pages and let people edit their own ship pages as long as it has factual, official and/or canonical information.
>>3507969Here's what I'd suggest you mention about Ogata on the page: she called them friends in the context of 3.0, and interpreted Kaworu's "suki" as like. But she still vocally acknowledges the homo interpretation and plays it up:These two links are her pointing out her roles as Uranus (SM), Yukito (CCS), and Shinji (Eva) all have homo elements.https://twitter.com/Megumi_Ogata/status/476906554600337408https://twitter.com/rain_nm7/status/1111167237400911872>I don't understand why they can't just keep their shit on their own pagesYou know why they do it. They see Kaworu as the biggest threat to their ship. They wouldn't do it otherwise.
Oh man, that wiki is a shitshow. >Supporters of the pairing occasionally accuse detractors of being biphobic or homophobic.Wew.Anyway games and Rebuild talk really don't belong in the Fanon section.
>This isn't stated in the english version, only the Japanese (if what you say is to be believed, I can only verify it's NOT in the english version, but i can't verify it IS in the Japanese version, esp considering the nuances of Japanese and the varied words for loveDude, not understanding the language the show in question was written in is like, your personal problem. Since when is a translation more relevant than the source?
>>3508144All I remember about that wiki was that in some part it said "Even so, many homosexual people dislike the pairing" Like ?????????? Yeah, being homosexual or bisexual or whatever doesn't mean they'll enjoy the same dynamics in a pairing? People have different taste in everything, lgbt+ people are not a hivemind and some of them disliking kawoshin doesn't mean it's not canon?It reminded me of that part about Re-Take where some point was "There's rumors that Miyamura read it" implying that Miyamura liked it? As if.
Alright then. Seems like we have a full week to rewrite that article from scratch. Good. It needs some serious restructuring and that's a pain in the ass to do during a rapid edit war.
Malwee19/Felipe, I know your ass is reading this thread. How much does it hurt knowing that your headcanon ship will never get any staff support? How much does it hurt knowing that Asushin only has about three fanartists currently doing any work?
>>3508157To give credit where credit is due, yuko's Asushin art is cute and comfy. Which is also what's wrong with it. Her Asuka may as well be an OC, the art reflects nothing of her personality. But hell, even if her strength clearly lies in solo Shinji she is still their best artist in this past decade.
Watercolor is just the best. The best.
>>3508157Admin unfortunately locked the page, right after that guy and the other Asushin shipper reverted my edits (especially ones that contextualized certain comments), which sucks. The admin said they aren't involved in the fandom so they're trying to stay out of "fandom issues" and prevent wiki-warring I guess. However, I'm still gonna keep the writing contributions and sources from this thread in a pastebin/google doc so it's in one place and our work won't necessarily go to waste, if/when we need it. >>3508163>glasses ShinjiNever knew I needed this until now
>>3508181Don't worry about the lock, it's a good thing. It would have been better to not get into a war to begin with but the end result is still good for us. What we need to do now is polish this turd in the week we were given. We need to shrink the Fanon section down to at most a longer paragraph so that it's not the main content. We can use anon's Behind the Scenes section for the creator remarks, use the >Separate headings can be created if there are multiple types of canon. (e.g. books and movie adaptations)rule to expand on Anime/Rebuild/Manga/misc. spin-offs, prepare a Trivia section for things that can't be worked into the main article like Tanabata or the Natsume Souseki 月が綺麗だね from pachinko, and collect the gallery.I know not everyone here is a fan of the manga, but it'll let us use the CPR scene with Sadamoto's comments about that scene and the Rei/Shinji/Kaworu love triangle from the All About interview. Though it will have to be fixed first because anon did well, but that English is broken.And then when the lockdown is lifted do it in a single edit.
>>3508147>it's a dubfagYou can't make this shit up.>>3508161>Her Asuka may as well be an OC, the art reflects nothing of her personalityAnd that's exactly the problem I have with every single Asushin thing in existence. You need to warp the characters into being almost unrecognizable to make it work. But you don't see me going on wiki pages for the ship and editing out every single positive paragraph on it. People should be allowed to ship what they want in peace.Asushinfags aren't content with that, they know Kawoshin is the biggest threat to their headcanons and that's why they need to change the narrative to feel better. They aren't satisfied just enjoying their ship in peace because they haven't been pandered to in canon for decades now.
So I was thinking, if you are going to organize all this info in the pastebin and stuff, could we use this to make another separate page, not a public wiki, that shows all of this in a place where it can't be edited by others? Like a wordpress blog or those tumblrblog pages? The big tittle in those pages could be something like "Is KawoShin canon? Did Kaworu say I love you to Shinji?" and stuff like that so it shows up when people eventually search for it on google. This way we could also include stuff that would be too "confrontational" to add to the wiki and we could also make this https://twitter.com/scenik8/status/1298267953171820544 more avaiable to others this way.
>>3508204You're more than welcome to compile information into one giant page debunking common misconceptions/misinformation about Kawoshin, it'd be a nice source to link to for discussions. But it won't make up for Kaworu's actual wikipedia pages still being trashed, because those are the ones most people will be and are looking at.My suggestion is just waiting for final to release, I guarantee you F-kun is gonna be disappointed at the lack of Asushin in the movie and sooner than later lose interest and move on to another fanbase. That would be the best time to clean up Kaworu's articles without fear of edit-warring.
>>3508203>You can't make this shit up.I loved how he first admitted that he doesn't know shit about the language, but then 10 minutes later acted like he is somehow qualified to make edits about it. I also like how they are deadly afraid of the word "love" as ifs only meaning was marriage proposal. They should go and shit up the Frozen articles too and write an essay on its unfortunately mistaken usage of "true love".>>3508181Anon, did you PM the admin? Do you think he might okay a more invasive QC edit such as simply removing the provocative parts from Fanon that only lead to edit wars, if we rewrite the article and coordinate with him in advance? Because we could wipe it clean and make it similar to other articles. There should be no talk at all about popularity contests, criticism, and/or the other ships.
>>3508210I agree, the admin should be privately contacted before we try to make any more edits or he unlocks the page. Just explain to them that 1 single person with a known bias and hatred for this specific Anime character and ship shouldn't be making the majority of edits on the page. He's actively stifling numerous people who disagree with him and made edits debunking his points. I'm sure the admin will understand if the situation is explained.
>>3508204Original wiki anon here, this isn't a bad idea. I have some knowledge of SEO so it could work. But I have to also agree with >>3508208 that the whole point was that the wikis are still people's foremost place to go for information (the Shipping wiki was of special interest to me because it's one of the first page results when you search up terms about Kaworu and Shinji). Again I agree with having a nice source to link to nonetheless, which is why I'm still compiling info. >>3508210>>3508212Where can I privately contact the admin, and would the admin even be receptive at this point? The admin replied to someone else on the message wall saying they wouldn't listen to a person's concerns about vandalism and F because >I don't want all the fandom gritty details that are none of my concernand it doesn't help that F complains about "stalking" when people note that this is a repeated pattern. desu I'm not sure if that will help at this point, especially if the admin actively refuses to understand what's been going on in the fanbase (keep in mind one of F's most popular tactics is getting wiki admins to lock articles on Kaworu and Shinji after he's taken away/changed edits to stifle dissent and then proceed to act like he's the victim instead of just letting people add relevant things to the damn page). Sorry guys for getting all you involved in this mess and seriously, thanks for the help. I just didn't think my edits would get reverted literally overnight, I at least thought it would stay up a few days/week or so at most but it seems even I still really uh, underestimated the level of fervor and insanity of kawoshin denialists.
I really hope 3.0+1.0 btfos this guy but you just know it would get handwaved as non-canon if it goes against his headcanon too drastically, even if stuff that directly ties it to nge like qworu being a time looper is confirmed.
>>3508229If working things out with the admin is impossible then any further work would be wasted time. If that's the case then the Kawoshin fandom should be let known that a Shipping (!) wiki allows a hater to effectively block the contributions of the ship's actual fandom.
>>3508229>it doesn't help that F complains about "stalking">F's most popular tactics is getting wiki admins to lock articles on Kaworu and Shinji after he's taken away/changed edits to stifle dissentMy only knowledge of him before this was some posts on EG and reading over his edits on the wiki. I thought maybe he just genuinely believed he was being unbiased and arguing in good faith. But after seeing him in action today I see the dude is just straight up gaslighting and knowingly playing dirty. Now I know why he's so obsessed with calling Kaworu a manipulator, the dude is fucking projecting. I have no more sympathy for this dude now, he knows exactly what he's doing.I'll look into the website more, if the admin won't do anything then maybe a higher-up will. If I find some way to contact them I'll let you guys know.
>>3508229>>3508208>But it won't make up for Kaworu's actual wikipedia pages still being trashed>the wikis are still people's foremost place to go for informationOh yeah no doubt about that. What I meant to say is that it would be good to have a separate place where all this is there too. When I said "we could use this to make another separate page" I forgot to add a "too" at the end of the sentence, sorry!
>>3508235It's all good anon, I'd definitely help out with the page if someone wants to make it.
My impression of Asuka and Shinji is that they both dislike each other, have contempt for each other, but also on a subconscious level want to fuck each other. And they can relate to each other in a way they can't with Rei and Kaworu due to their unnatural souls or whatever. That's basically it right?
>>3508232He is deadset on believing that Asuka will kiss Shinji and that Kaworu will be revealed as an evil manipulating mastermind.Either way he's gonna be really butthurt when the movie releases and I look forward to his posts. He already started drinking the copium when the trailer came out with all that Mari/Asuka pandering.
>>3508242I think it's certainly up for interpretation like every relationship in the show and there's ambiguous elements like everything in Eva.It's my view that the relationship is very much rooted in miscommunication and lust whereas Kawoshin is more rooted in communication and love. They're both opposite ends of the spectrum that add to the show and its messages in their own way. Although I strongly believe Kawoshin is the only real canon ship, I would never fucking go to Asushin shipping wiki pages and start attacking their shippers for thinking differently. I'm not so threatened by their existence as they apparently are of Kawoshin shippers.
>>3508242>but also on a subconscious level want to fuck each otherShinji was sexually attracted to her, but nothing in the show implies Asuka wanted to fuck him. If anything, she wanted someone to see her for who she really was, someone who could hold her when she needed support. Her needs were more emotional in nature rather than sexual. During the scene where her mind is infected by the angel, she confessed that the flirty and overconfident Asuka was not the real her.>And they can relate to each other in a way they can't with Rei and Kaworu due to their unnatural souls or whateverEh. Technically, they could have achieved that kind of understanding since they have similar traumas (though they cope with them in opposite ways), but they never did. Ironically enough, Shinji is the closest to Rei and Kaworu. This can be seen throughout the series but specially in EoE, where it's shown that his relationships with them shaped him and had a great impact on him to the point of them being engraved on his heart as "the hope that people can come to understand one another" (Rei), and "the words 'I love you'" (Kaworu).
>>3508255Very nicely put anon, many people gloss over Asuka's scenes in episode 22 that point out the many faces she puts on are all a facade. She's a broken young girl who was bereft of her mother's love at a young age, and she's desperately seeking to fill that hole through other means and failing. She tries to use sex as a way to gain control over the situation and seem adult-like, but it further proves her mind and emotional maturity is still very much that of a 13 year old girl.
>>3508242To make this short, in my eyes Asuka never truly loved Shinji, but wanted him to be someone like Kaji so she "could love" him then. It has more to do with her personal issues than with actual love for him. In the instrospection of her character, Shinji is never mentioned as someone important for her (as in a love interest per se) but as competition like Rei. Besides that Shinji only saw her as "girl" and "sex" as that theatrical book says. There could have been a faint attraction on both of them but it clearly, to me, went nowhere quickly. EoE just solidifies my opinion even more with how high the contrast in their actions in the movie are. >relate to each other in a way they can't with Rei and Kaworu due to their unnatural soulsAnd I don't agree with this because Rei and Kaworu could have unnatural souls but they are still human. The point of Rei's arc is that actually. And Kaworu, while he's the more "divine" out of the two, he still has normal emotions. EoE proved Rei and Kaworu did in fact form a deep connection with Shinji. All in all, Asuka is my favorite character and I hate AsuShin but I just ignore it when I see it. What I hate the most is when people say as if it was a universal truth, that this ship is the only canon one, that there was nothing gay in Evangelion, and that EoE is proof of Asuka and Shinji's love.
>>3508254>>3508255>>3508256>>3508258Ok I think I understand it better now.>>3508248Kaworu being an evil, manipulative mastermind could be fun.
>>3508298>Kaworu being an evil, manipulative mastermind could be fun.I disagree, but it happens in spinoffs from time to time. Detective Evangelion for example, but that game is batshit fucking insane and not meant to be taken seriously. KNEP's default good end which might even qualify as True End since it's the only one with a CG has Kaworu straight up bullshitting Shinji into willingly going through with Seele's Instrumentality so they can be together forever until the end of time. You need to minmax Kaworu's morality stat to get the only objectively good ending where he tells Shinji the truth.
>>3508298It could be fun but it wouldn't make any sense considering he's all about "change" and "bettering yourself" in nge and rebuild. Plus, Anno himself said Kaworu was an "incredibly good person".
>>3508298>Kaworu being an evil, manipulative mastermind could be fun.It would be a complete contraction of his character and everything he represented in 3.0. People who want him to be evil want it for the sole purpose of believing you're not supposed to like him. They say the same thing about Rei too btw.
>>3508305>Detective Evangelion for exampleIt didn't even whole-heartedly treat him as evil. In the end, the game just completely glosses over the fact he killed Kaji and Gendo and presents him as being a misunderstood angel boy who Shinji is still in love with anyway. The whole game is batshit insane.Off the top of my head there's the SIRP Manga and the undertones behind some of his SIRP endings, every other spinoff just plays off him off as a mysterious good guy who does homo stuff.
>>3508316Oh, I forgot there's Battle Orchestra too.
>>3508316>the game just completely glosses over the fact he killed Kaji and Gendo and presents him as being a misunderstood angel boy who Shinji is still in love with anywayReminds me of a fanfiction I have recently found by accident while digging up info on a circle. It was written in 1997 so curiosity got the best of me. Man. The sunk cost fallacy was real.>>3508320I think Battle Orchestra also wanted to paint him as a somewhat tragic character, but, well. It's from the same studio that made DE so it makes sense.
>>3508321>I think Battle Orchestra also wanted to paint him as a somewhat tragic characterRight, right. Those are just the only three spinoffs (as far as I'm aware) that portray him as a henchmen 100% following Seele's orders instead of having his own agenda like in the Anime.
>>3505781>>3505784>>3506199I want it as well. (and ReiQ probably, I love her Vessel of Adams Eva and it would go super well with my black+red computer on my desk)Problem is, I've never bought something like this before, where are you guys planning on buying it from?
>>3507881Would this be something worthy of adding to the pastebin as proof of its popularity? It’s the 16th most popular m/m ship of all time in terms of most doujindhi via pixiv https://mobile.twitter.com/bem_b3m/status/1327651838062112770
>>3508353Depends on when it comes. Shipping options are beyond limited right now thanks to the chink flu and with VAT+duties the cost could be astronomical. So probably my LCS. I've been a regular for so long I can negotiate the price.
>>3508355Thanks for the link, anon. I'll add it. Anything helps.
https://twitter.com/Megumi_Ogata/status/1329357992685232129?s=19>ScreamingI hope he ends up okay
>>3508784Ayanami! Kaworu-kun! Kaworukunkaworukunayanamii! Misato-san!! DAD!!!
But I'm surprised. I thought they finished recording the VA earlier, sometime during spring? Because animation needs to be adjusted to the voice?
>>3508791Maybe they adjusted some things? Since they have the chance, why not take it and make it better?
>>3508784He will die
>>3508798I don't know. Ogata just doesn't strike me as the kind of actor who'd need to be recalled to redo a whole bunch of shouting. It sounds almost like this was her first time recording D Part.
>>3508784>ScreamingScreaming, shouting, yelling, anything that's loud. Sakebu is pretty much what everyone does during any given action scene. They sakebu when they get hit and scream, they sakebu when they shout at each other to stop or help, they sakebu on the command bridge when everything is no good as usual, it's sakebu when Shinji rescues Ayanami in 2.0, it's sakebu when Misato tells him to go for it, sakebu when Shinji calls out to Ayanami on the Wunder, et cetera.
>>3508801But she made a tweet all the way in January that she finished recording. So she wouldn't be called back unless they added new scenes or were adjusting scenes.
>>3508811Dunno then. It just doesn't sound like she was called in for only a couple altered scenes, but I also don't think that Khara did major script rewrites when they had no idea how long the corona situation would delay the movie.
>>3508813I think it's highly likely with the COVID situation Khara took the time to polish the movie. No drastic changes as you say, but I think calling Ogata in to do retakes on scenes he wasn't satisfied with is something Anno would do. Especially if it's the final scene of the movie.
>>3508816>final sceneEh. D Part is 41 minutes, that's like half a movie. It's anyone's guess what and how much of it was changed if that is what happened here. I wonder if Ogata was the only one doing retakes.
>>3508817I follow Miyamura and Mitsuishi's twitters too and I haven't seen them make any comments about it. Could just be Ogata.
Wow the Yoneyama illustration looks weird with colors.And oh hey, it's Friday again. Bet they ain't gonna announce the calendar today. They are going to phone it in and they don't even have the decency to let me down swift and gently. Fuck 'em.
Cute cute cute!
>>3508931Are we getting Honda illustrations again?
>>3508959Doubt it. 2018 was the last time we had Honda, 2019 (the laziest shit ever) and 2020 were by others. And Honda is not even currently involved with Eva.
>>3508939Sauce?Shinji blushing is the cutest.
>>3508970Seconding the sauce request.
>>3508970>>3508979I just found it on pinterest. I don't know where it came from originally.
>>3508984Kakure's doujin, 天使のためのヴォカリーズ.To my knowledge it hasn't been scanned yet. This one page is from Mandarake, though it looks like it got unlisted for some reason.
>>3508994Lol, knew it was going to be a battle scene. Go Shinji-kun! Punch Gendo in the face and call Yui out on her bullshit!
Kaworu and Shinji art puts my heart at ease. I hope one day I can find someone who will love me as unconditionally as Kaworu loves Shinji.
Kakure's book is wonderful. I got it from Torano a month or so ago. No regrets.
>>3509107Scan it or take pictures of it for us reeeeeeeeee
>>3508965Oh yeah, I don't know why I thought this was Honda. Which artist is it?
>>3509137Asuka and Mari is Ikeda Yumi, Shinji is Takagi Maho, Rei and the trio is Yatabe Toko, and Kaworu/PenPen is Yamai Sayaka. I'm half-certain that Yamai was deliberately doing a Honda parody there.
>>3509138Thanks so much anon! I'm very much interested in Eva's production and animation in general, I like looking into each individual artist's work and what they've done in the past. I've found a lot of these artists have their own twitter accounts where they post their work which is so awesome to see.
>>3506863You're never alone <3
I hope the others with Kakeru's book weren't planning on scanning it, as I've just bought it to do scanlations when it arrives. Unsure how long it will take to ship here, though.
If you're interested in Kaworu (and haven't seen it in the general), I recommend the story of Irasshaimase, basically having Kaworu moving to Tokyo-3 as a student early in the series and the ramifications of that act. There's some slow-burn kawoshin, but that's not the main focus - I quite enjoy the characterisation of everyone and how the story goes. Read it, I think it's worth every second spent reading it. https://m.fanfiction.net/s/10257951/1/Irasshaimase-Welcome
Why is it that Evangelion is popular enough on this hyper-slow board to get 100 images in just 10 days while it appears other interesting mecha series full of cute dudes hardly ever get posted here? t. bitter femanon from /m/ that wants Super Robot boys not 133 threads of stupid Shinji and what's his face.
>>3509351>as I've just bought it to do scanlations when it arrivesThank you! Will you be translating it too?
>>3509370Eva's still going on and is just more popular both in general and internationallyalso begone thot, this is faggot territory
>>3509370Evangelion is popular everywhere because it achieved multi-pandering to various audiences perhaps better than any other Anime out there.Also these threads were pretty slow until a few weeks ago when the new trailer/movie release date was announced.
I want to see Kaworu blush in Final
>>3509351I had no intentions to, at least certainly not while Kakure is still selling it. Once it went out of print for a longer time perhaps. But it's also a nice book that was pretty expensive, so I don't feel good about damaging it.
>>3509391Yeah I don't scanlate doujins until a year or two after they've been sold, just feels disrespectful to the artist imo
>>3509431And she mentioned just today that she wants to make a new doujin for the KawoShin event in March. She'll probably want to print a second run around then.
>>3509370B E G O N E
>>3509447Given her previous tweets it will probably be R-18 which increases its likelihood of getting scanned by someone
>>3509450Final will increase the likelihood of anything new getting scanned a hundredfold. Unless the movie goes horribly, horribly wrong for us.
>>3509451>horribly wrong for usIt won't. The Kawoshin pandering will be small, but it will be enough to ensure the fujobux can be milked for years to come.
>>3509451>Unless the movie goes horribly, horribly wrong for us.I don't see that happening. It's practically certain at this point that Kaworu will be in the movie in some form or another and will help Shinji find hope or whatever. At worst, we get only small pandering (it's good to manage your expectations), and even then that's not the end of the world. I know Shinji and Kaworu will always love each other no matter what.
>>3509486So wholesome (not in a reddit way)
>>3509451The fact that he even has 1 scene even though he just died means we're already doing good. He has so few scenes that even a couple new scenes will be used all over in fanart and shit
Anyone else have an unhealthy obsession with Kawoshin because you projected a crush you had on someone onto episode 24 at the time of watching Eva?
>>3509513Not me. First time around 24 didn't even leave a terribly big impression on me.
>>3509513Not really. I didn't have any crush when I first watched Eva. I gravitated to Kawoshin because how sweet they are together as characters and what it meant to Shinji's arc. I'm just a sucker for the type of dynamic they have, being admittedly a hopeless romantic type (something kawoshin helped me realize).
>>3509513I watched eva for the first time when I was pretty young and wasn't very invested in fandom culture yet, what drew me to them was the fact that I hadn't seen anything like them in terms of gay representation in anything I'd seen up to that point, so episode 24 immediately stuck out to me. I know this was the case for a lot of other people too.
>>3509512"A few scenes?" In Rebuild he has the complete opposite. He got scenes in 1.0 and 2.0 even though he shouldn't have shown up until way later a la NGE, and then became a protagonist in 3.0. It's actually insane how much of a boost he got in Rebuild, especially with the timelooping business. People always kid around that Anno might be a Kaworufag, but I'm genuinely convinced when I look at the good treatment he got compared to other characters.>>3509504This.
>>3509513I love Eva because I first watched it when I was very young at a time when everything was going wrong in my life. Ep 24 hit me hard, I think the words “you deserve love and kindness” are something everyone needs to hear at least once in their life. I certainly needed to hear it.
Shinji and Kaworu WILL have a long kiss scene and they WILL adopt Pen Pen and live together in bliss for the rest of Shinji's life.
>>3509648Is pen pen even alive?
>>3509372Yeah, I meant translating by "scanlation." >>3509431She tweeted the other day that she has no plans to reprint it at the current time and there was only a few left when I bought it - overseas shipping being overseas shipping, it may be a few months, and I've got a backlog of Eva stuff from years ago at the moment. If nobody else plans on doing it then I can put it off for a while if you guys feel that's best! And if it's the one I'm thinking of, the other DJ she's got coming is R-18 manga-verse. She posted a preview a while ago now.
>>3509791She tweeted that just before the March event was announced so plans might change. Personally I'd wait, but that's just my opinion.> R-18 manga-verse. She posted a preview a while agoDid she? She often retweets Panda's art and she did have an R-18 manga-verse doujin planned for June, maybe you are remembering that? Even though their art is very different. Or maybe I just missed it.>I've got a backlog of Eva stuff from years agoNice, what?
>>3509661Of course he is! Pen Pen's the key to all this.
>>3509791>the other DJ she's got coming is R-18 manga-verseBoo. I wanted her to stick with Qverse like she did with the previous doujin.
>Asushin shippers in doom and gloom mode over the possibility of Asumari being canonlol
>>3509823Did something happen?
>>3509825I heard some people make Asumari theories back in the 3.0 era, but I didn't really think much of it. The new trailer made a ton of people think that Asuka and Mari are actually a couple in the new movie, and /a/ Eva threads have Asushinfags talking about how the Rebuilds are a complete failure and betrayal of the original series because of it.
>>3509823It would be cute and the meltdown would be great so I hope so
>>3509844I haven't been all that interested in Mari but if they develop her character I think she could be a legitimate good pair for Asuka.
>>3509846Mari is a terrible character, the only good thing about her is she makes Asushinfags mad
>>3509846This. I do think she's connected to Kaji (and that's probably who she was on the phone with in 2.0) so if we learn about Kaji's whereabouts then we'll probably learn something about her. Secondly, she's the answer to Yuko Miyamura's (who Anno listens to) hopes that Asuka get her own happy ending and find her own "Kaworu-like" person.
>>3509847That has nothing to do with asumari.
>>3509513I don't really have a crush on anyone in my life atm but I do long for a relationship.I watched eva very recently ane I'm probably at the lowest point I'm my life so it definitely left an impression on me
>>3509887I think you misunderstood that post anon, kek
>>3509846I'm waiting for something in 3.0+1.0 but so far I don't have a problem with Mari and I like her. Compared to Shikinami and MoeRei she's not too different. Both Rebuild Asuka and Rei II had simple character arcs, so i'm not bothered by her.
>>3509979That's not a good thing, it just goes to show how shallow every character in Rebuild is.
>>3510001I don't see it that way. Knowing that it's a movie and they were forced to cut stuff by the producer and that Asuka to begin with wasn't supposed to have a big role in this I don't think they did that bad of a job. In Asuka's case she just got that "I don't need anyone" to "I'm ok working with others now" characer arc and it's ok in my opinion. Rei II is also 80% just "my feelings for Shinji" part of her arc in NGE while ReiQ is the "who/what am I?" part of her arc. I guess I don't see it that way because to me NGE Asuka/Rei are good as they were and I didn't want to see that again in Rebuild in the exact same way it was presented in the Anime.
>>3510001But neither it's a bad thing. Rebuild is not NGE, and in Rebuild Mari doesn't stick out as an undeveloped character compared to the rest. If you can watch the movies and enjoy them, then hating Mari for her lack of depth makes no sense. If you don't enjoy the Rebuilds, then hating on Mari in particular again makes no sense.
When will Shinji and Kaworu leave this shitty-ass planet and have a bazillion angel babies in space
Fuck it, kawoshin babyぽかぽカヲシン | チチカカ池 #pxview https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/83468929
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I WANT TO BELIEVE KAWORU WILL FIND ANOTHER BODY VESSEL AND REUNITE WITH SHINJI
>>3510053inb4 his new body vessel is mari somehow
BF S5 looks like a clusterfuck, I guess it'll add content to two cases?2.0 pilot Shinji + support Asuka/Kaji (+5.5 support)3.0 pilot OC + support other OC/Ritsuko (+5.5 support)And Berserk 01 and Awakened 13.So I guess we won't be getting any more Battlefields Kaworu before the movie. Too bad.
>>3510186How is that game still alive? I know it HAS to be alive because of the movie but what else is left to do if gameplay is pay to win only?
>>3510187Well it's not making any money that's for sure. Check this out:http://game-i.daa.jp/?アプリ/エヴァンゲリオン+バトルフィールズI feel almost invested in BF by now because I want to understand WHY Khara is trying so desperately to keep this corpse animated until 3.0+1.0.
>>3510003>>3510005I don't see how that justifies it. Plenty of movies have much less screentime than Rebuild and still succeed in having sufficiently developed characters. I would have loved Rebuild to do something new with the Eva characters, but instead we have an inferior retelling of Shinji's arc and everyone else is just a prop for his story.
>>3509793Nah it's definitely hers, she still has the preview up on her R18 account. It's from a lot longer ago than I thought though, so maybe that one already came out and I didn't see? We've hit image limit, but it's called お金あげるから素股だけ if that helps. As for my backlog, it's mostly SFW stuff from old scans that were never translated (just finished Shito Shuurai by Nozaki Tsubata, there's a couple more I can't remember, but I know one was Gyomania), plus an assorted artist R18 anthology from Koneko Gumi called six mains. Hoping to pick up something slightly more exciting at some point though. (I'd love to get Reunion by Getsumen-Spiral since the only scans are in Chinese, but who knows when it'll turn up.) Btw your advice to wait is totally cool with me!
>>3510197Thanks, I managed to find it. I love her art to bits, but how incredibly dull. I'm sure it's going to sell well if it ever comes out though. Good luck with your projects! Shito Shuurai and a Mob book on the same list? You have quite broad tastes, anon.
>>3510240>>3510197Can you link it? I can't find it
>>3510246Don't bump the old thread, faggot.