Trying to convince my family to do beef tenderloin instead of turkey. My mom agreed that it was better, but decided to have ham instead since the turkey has already been ordered and she thought that everyone would just eat beef instead of turkeyWho made up the Turkey being for thanksgiving? I guess in the 19th century there was a bunch of Turkey's available, but now we can eat better meat, like beef or lambIf a bird is necessary, duck would be better than turkey. People back then also didn't season their food and just ate boiled vegetables, so I don't think we should take their culinary advice
>>19926195>Who made up the Turkey being for thanksgiving?Big (((gobble))). The pilgrims had venison, duck and seafood.
>>19926207Thanksgiving also doesn't actually come from the PilgrimsIt gained popularity in the mid 19th century it seems. It does seem to have started in New England, but I have doubts that there's actually any continuation from the original settlers. Probably just a regular harvest festival.
>>19926207>big goggleimagine falling for this, why the fuck would anyone make their product a literal once a year speciality that no-one eats otherwise. if you ask me, it's the chicken farmers false flagging to make their product the all year round one.
>>19926219Except chicken tastes far better than turkey. So does duck. If it wasn't for thanksgiving and people making turkey sandwiches for some unknown reason, nobody would be buying turkey at all. Also idiots who think turkey bacon is healthy. I still can't see how you walk up to the deli department, see all the options, and choose turkey.
>>19926226if turkey was a year-round thing it could be a lot cheaper, and if it were cheaper than chicken it could get used more.so big chicken sabotaged it.duck is too much of a pain in the ass to raise & sell so it never stood a chance.
>>19926253Chicken is the most common bird meat throughout the world and pretty much throughout history as well (when available)Its popularity isn't some conspiracy
>>19926195>turkey>ham>sweet potato>mashed potato>turkey gravy>green beans>black eyed peas>spinach with garlic, onion, bell pepper>squash>roasted carrots>turkey stuffing>corn>apple sauce>cranberry sauce>deviled eggs>dinner rolls>pumpkin pie>pecan pie>eggnogSorry you come from a shitty family that can't cook, but the "traditional" thanksgiving meals is fucking delicious in my family.
>>19926256Most popular = best???I’d hate to hear your taste in music.
>>19926195>Who made up the Turkey being for thanksgiving?iirc it started as something after WWII when the government gave all veterans a coupon for a free turkey. Then it just became tradition.
I disagree. Your family are just bad at cooking. My father's turkey is a crapshoot. Some years it's good and moist, others it's shit and dry but I've done a Thanksgiving turkey every year for the last decade and it's always been most and good.Also, boiled vegetables are fine. The problem is with either overcooking then, underseasoning them, not adding any fat to them or some combination of the three.For example, a typical side I make every year (except this one because reasons) is butter braised carrots with dry minced onion. The carrots are boiled first then not-even-simmered in a bit of butter and they're delicious.
>>19926217>It does seem to have started in New EnglandVirginia. The colonists were shit at living off the land, so the native tribes in the area helped them out with training on how to do agriculture and hunting in the area, and as a result they had a great crop for once. They decided to throw a feast to give thanks to the Lord and the native peoples that helped them pull their head out of their asses. So the first "thanks giving" was a big party between the settlers and the natives that helped them out. Wild turkeys are abundent in the south, and would have been on the menu with venison, fish, and other proteins. Being a God fearing group of people, the idea of taking time once a year to give thanks was a no brainer, hence the custom of "thanksgiving" was started annually.
>>19926195Turkey is a soup bird and a very mid sandwich.
>>19926312I don't have a big enough pot for that
>>19926195if you hate turkey and traditional Thanksgiving food you are a nigger.learn to cook faggot
>>19926226turkey is good as deli meat because the saline injection actually makes it moist, which counteracts turkeys biggest down side
>>19926195Turkey is a very American bird, as it’s native to North America. Ben Franklin wanted to make them the national bird >they stand up to redcoats Nothing stopping you from making a duck or goose instead. >>19926219Kek
>>19926256It's most popular around the world because turkeys aren't native to most places, retard ass.
>>19926544>Ben Franklin wanted to make [turkeys] the national birdFalse.https://www.fi.edu/en/science-and-education/benjamin-franklin/national-birdhttps://www.history.com/news/did-benjamin-franklin-propose-the-turkey-as-the-national-symbolhttps://www.snopes.com/fact-check/benjamin-franklin-turkey/
People don't do traditional Thanksgiving food because it's good. They do it because it's tradition. It's part of the experience of getting together with family over the holidays. Making the same shitty food every year is part of what makes it special. Otherwise it would just be family getting together for dinner. It's the same reason adults still buy christmas trees even if they don't have kids.
>>19926670I love turkey, ham, stuffing, mash, deviled eggs, and pumpkin pie, speak for yourself
>>19926675Then why do you only eat it once a year?
>>19926681To keep it special. Same reason college girls only dress like sexy 80s nurses one day of the year.
>>19926703You've got things backwards. It's the fact that it's only once a year that makes it good, because the food has a certain nostalgia connected to it. And college girls dress in skimpy clothes all year round; seeing skin isn't any less exciting just because you see it all the time.
>>19926681Because it's a big to-do that takes days of preparation and results in a fuckload of food, and I don't have the time, energy, or money to do it every weekend
>>19926720>And college girls dress in skimpy clothes all year roundBut not with a sexy 80s nurse theme.
Since "Merry Christmas" is considered wrong now, and most Americans use "Happy Holidays" instead, why don't Americans change the name of Thanksgiving to "November Holiday"?After all, it forces Native Americans to relieve a time they'd like to forget. Also, it's not very inclusive and diverse
>>19926195I tend to do a whole beef tenderloin for christmas
>>19926875No one says happy holidays but corporate suits
>>19926903as an atheist i'll usually say merry christmas, but if I think it'll piss someone off i'll throw in the occasional happy holidays.I'd go out of my way to say happy holidays to someone like you every single chance I could.
>>19926884Now I'm craving cock
>>19926911Why, it doesn't bother me. I was just pointing out that the general public doesn't say it
>>19926219>>19926195>>19926226>>19926253Turkey is my favorite poultry. It's way better than chicken.
>>19926940Do you prefer when it's not trimmed?
i got a huge smoked ham in the freezer from early this year. i'm gonna have to eat it on my own probably. how do i prepare it? i never eat ham and never cooked or ate a whole ham before
>>19926884i do russian style christmas especially with the ukraine war i want to support putin so i think this year i will make some legit stuffed blinchiki and maybe some mini blinis to have with smoked salmon, maybe caviar i had it last year but didn't feel it was really worth the price. i could get some foie gras too it's always nice with sauternes and i got a bottle sitting around but i think i'll keep it low key, smoked salmon some nice aquavit and a salad olivier i love that stuff yummy yummy yum yum yum yum yum! haven't decided what to do for the new year though
>>19926911>as an atheist I'm intentionally as obnoxious as possible to peopleWe know
>>19927079>i want to support putinif you don't want to kill ziggers, you're a retard that should be shot, if you're white, you're even more retarded supporting an Asiatic Muslim nation parading as nazis and you think they actually support a white ethnostate? Jesus you tards are dumb.
>>19926195It sucks because people don't know how to cook it.Properly cooked Turkey is great
>>19927098I supposeSo I guess the problem is that the thanksgiving food is something that people otherwise never cook, so it ends up coming out dry
>>19927119This is why I roast a turkey every 2 months year-round to keep myself in practice.
>>19926875>Happy Sneedsgiving>Formerly Chucksgiving
>>19926875>Since "Merry Christmas" is considered wrong nowOh shut the fuck up with your bullshit. Just because a bunch of faggots try to push a narrative doesn't mean the rest of us abide by it. Where I live people make a point of saying MERRY CHRISTMAS exactly because of the fake ass narrative pushed against it by a vocal minority.
>>19926274it's been a tradition since the early 1800s afaik
>>19927079You do realize that Ukrainians eat the exact same shit right? Also you're missing key bits here. Specifically butterbrod with cavier, kielbasa, and Olivier (kinda gross but *tradition*). For Ukrainian flavor, salo is also mandatory (and honestly surprisingly tasty).
What are dishes that are a must on the table? Anything good involving greens
>>19927094>>19927079No one gives a shit about greater khazaria anymore
>>19927519I never did care, I just care about killing ziggers.
>>19927260Turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing, gravy, cranberry sauce, rolls, and pumpkin pie are must haves. Other dishes include ham, sweet potatoes, deviled eggs, butternut squash soup, green bean casserole, pecan pie, apple pie, brussels sprouts, scalloped potatoes, cornish game hens... There are a shitload of options
We need to decolonize Thanksgiving
>>19927260>greens Brussels sprouts of course. Halve them, roast them or pan fry until nice and crispy then toss with balsamic and pine nuts or sunflower seeds. I shill cider braised purple cabbage on every thanksgiving thread because it tastes good and adds nice color to the plate. Nobody ever wants to bring vegetables to a potluck so that’s a useful one.
>>19927098>>19927119>>19926195>>19926277Not OP or any of these anons, but I like my turkey on the dry side so I can layer really good gravy on it.
>>19927752Nah, you need to die in a fire.
>>19927260>Anything good involving greensSpinach soufle, broccoli, saute spinach with garlic, onion, bell pepper, green beans, collard greens with onion, bell peppers....lot's of options.
>>19926226>If it wasn't for thanksgiving and people making turkey sandwiches for some unknown reason, nobody would be buying turkey at all.false. people also eat it as a relatively healtheir alternative to the aforementioned 2.
>>19928345I don't have a fedora big enough to properly respond the this post
>>19926875The Christmas creep came too early, so "Happy Holidays" can be used, sadly. Franksgiving is now a secular feast day in the consumers' eyes.
>>19928345Nice try, Lucifer.
>>19928466>how do you do fellow go- I mean fellow christians, christian traditions sure are mid and gay aren't they
>>19926195My family does grilled salmon for holidays. No idea why. Tastes great anyways and doesn't lead to overeating>duck would be better than turkey.Duck is just a top tier bird, I had orange duck for dinner today. Pic rel
>>19926195“We will bring the turkey!”“WE WILL BRING THE CORN!”
>>19926195You're fucking crazy man. I'd eat this shit every single day of the week if I could. Some people do.
I prefer turkey over ham.
>>19926195>>19926226>>19926670>>19926681For me, I like that a whole extended family can eat one turkey. You'd have to cook 3 chickens to get the same food. There's just something nice about cooking a 20+ pound bird like that, and having an actual feast. And since it's so big, it's not practical to do regularly.
>>19926720>seeing skin isn't any less exciting just because you see it all the time.It actually is. If women wore burkas all the time then seeing a woman in a miniskirt would be much more exciting. Like how porn has desensitized us to naked bodies.
the only good traditional food is green bean casserole and mashed potatoes and gravy. turkey sucks, stuffing is bad, everything else is boring. id rather have ham
>>19926195>Trying to convince my family to do beef tenderloin instead of turkey.It's not Christmas, idiot. Prime rib roasts will be on sale for the next holiday. That's when you do it. I noticed Publix had them already. Tenderloin, ehh, I want bone-in prime rib.My grandmother would host 38 or so on Thanksgiving. Always a turkey, a ham, a roast beef, a few other "main" casseroles. I don't really recall the roast beef much. Everyone was more excited for the ham and turkey really and it was second fiddle to the amazing sides and pies. I like a white bread-mayo turkey breast sandwich, so always hope for leftovers. Sometimes I put a breast in the oven when I am taking out the whole turkey, just to be sure there are leftovers.
>>19930127sweet potato casserole
>>19930127Butternut squash mac and cheese
>>19930155>Tenderloin, ehh, I want bone-in prime rib.We used to do a standing rib roast, I convinced my family to let me do a whole tenderloin roast one year and they've asked me to continue doing that.
>>19926195Turkey, gravy, and mashed potatoes is one of the best combinations.
>>19926226Turkey's delicious tho, you sillyhead