does expensive $500+ alcoholic drinks actually taste significantly better than the cheap stuff?
>>18018288No, you get diminishing returns quickly. Probably at like $100USD and then anything extra is marginal to no improvement per dollar. Be very weary of the possibility of no improvement especially if you're pushing beyond your means for like a special occasion or something. Always try first. Disclaimer, I like young CS whisky > old stuff.
>>18018288depends on your taste
>>18018288stop being poor, being rich is easier than ever before. it's literally your own fautl if you're not stinking rich.
>>18018354I'm drinking jamo, eating chicken nuggets and watching pirated movies. There's nothing you can do to stop me from having fun
>>18018288Yes, but certain spirits will have diminishing returns much faster than others.The fastest imo are scotch, tequila, beer, bourbon, and rum sort of.The best are cognac and wine by far.
>>18018288Sometimes, but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
>>18018288When people say depends on your taste, what it really works out to is if you have had hundreds of a certain liquor you will be able to tell given that you have a palate for it. I rarely drink gin, and if I went and bought a higher end batch it would still taste like rail gin to me.
>>18018533I can't imagine ever buying a high end bottle of gin, there's no way they could get it even close to tasting good
>>18018399Cognac barely improves with age. Bottles older than me are barely better than 5 year olds. And wine tends to change rather than improve. Do you really wanna be losing fruitiness for broken down tannins? And a drop in overall intensity?Scotch definitely does better. You can clearly say it's better after 3 years or after 8 or 10 or 12.
>>1801864Good gin exists. Are you trying it neat?Are you taking recommendations from someone that drinks it neat?Is the market taking into account the flavour of the gin (neat) when ascribing value?The answer to all of these is no. You don't like gin, your reviewers aren't reviewing, and the market has no clue so everything is priced randomly. You just gotta get lucky and keep trying.
>>18018288taste different, no but the drunkness is different it's a lot cleaner and clearer And to the retards that say alcohol is alcohol don't seem to understand there are other things going on
>>18018354This is always said by someone from a well-off family lmao
>>18018661It sounds like you haven't really had many good expensive wines or cognacs. He said 500+ and you're talking about 12 year scotch? Seriously?
I usually buy pretty cheap stuff, but I went ahead and splurged on some high quality absinthe. Two bottles. One of them I'm going to leave unaltered, but I'm going to infuse the other bottle with THC. Do you guys have any experience with authentic Swiss absinthe?
>>18018694Your reading comprehension is poor.
>>18018288What's the fucking point. The sole reason of alcohol is to get you drunk. All the fancy overpriced bullshit is for retards.
>>18018703>is totally wrong>Doesn't respond with anything meaningfulEverytime.
>>18018694Five hundred dollars you stupid cunt, not five hundred years. The fuck you think the $ means, retard. Year$?
>>18018720Are you okay? No shit dude. I'm saying 99% of all 12 year scotches are not going to be priced anywhere close to 500 dollars, so why are you even talking about them?
>>18018704kill yourself, alkie retard
>>18018333Meh, no it doesn't
>>18018661t. a pleb who thinks VS and XO cognac taste the same
>>18018354>80 proofIt's shit.
>>18018354The most subhuman take that I've ever heard. KYS.
>>18018399This is wrong, bourbons have a very high ceiling
>>18019134Examples of bourbon worth the price over 500? The pappy line up msrp is all under 500.
>>18018376Not poor, but I enjoy myself in a similar manner. Carry on sir!
>>18019155I’m just saying it has a high ceiling. As in, really high end bourbon is orders of magnitude better than even decent shit.Pappy msrp might be less than 500, but good luck getting it for that. Maybe if you win a lottery. I’ve had it and it is extremely good. Whether or not it’s worth the price depends on how much cash you have I guess.
>>18019168I actually did win a lottery for a bottle of 15. I mainly put bourbon in a low ceiling for diminishing returns because there's more than enough excellent bourbon in the sub 100 range. Unlike cognac it's arguably not even worth spending more than 100-200 on a bottle of bourbon really. With all that said I've definitely had some good value high priced bourbon.
>>18018288best whiskey ever not even that expensive
>>18018288It depends entirely on whether or not you can afford it. As in, if a few hundred bucks for a bottle represents a major decision relative to your finances. Like any other luxury product, you won’t be able to enjoy it if you know you spent money on it that you couldn’t really afford to spend.
>>18018288>do expensive $500+ alcoholic drinks actually taste significantly better than the cheap stuff?yes, but you're starting off with a ridiculous price range to begin with. most "nice" bottles can be had for about $70-200 per. even many well-regarded distilleries' nicest bottles come out to $3-400 max. >$500 would imply some combination of extreme vintage and a particularly famous brand name. those bottles might be fantastic, but they're best left for the enthusiasts who have highly discerning taste.your question is akin to asking if a $500,000 car is really significantly nicer than a $30,000 car. of course it's fucking nicer. that's not to say it's an appropriate purchase for most people
>>18018288Define "significantly"Noticably? Generally yes. At a rate in keeping with the price? Lol no. It's not hard to find bottles in the low-to-mid range that are 90% as good as the highest end stuff, it's just that the big dollar bottles offer unique and exclusive experiences.
>>18018288Liquor is 40% ethanol 60% water, both completely tasteless substances. The only thing differentiating them is minor variations of smell, but primarily branding, marketing, exclusivity.
>>18018288Former classically trained bartender and mixologist. The difference between a 50 and 125 dollar bottle of whiskey is significant but it then becomes diminishing returns at around that. For Gin since unless you are a hardcore martini drinker super expensive bottles are a waste. Rum, tequila, and vodka the pricing is mostly brand name, and since most bitches use it in mixed drink it is slog. Brandy and Cognac see whiskey but Cognac is generally overvalued because of French fagots.
>>18019414the people you share this board with
>>18018288Not always. Rarity and age can inflate the price of spirits. But also, the more you spend, the smaller the increments in quality. There's no guarantee that a $20,000 whiskey is better than a $6000 one. Also, unless you have a fair amount of experience trying spirits in that category, the quality of expensive stuff may be lost on you. There's no 'more money=better booze' equation that automatically makes you enjoy something more if you spend more money on it. Basically it's a retarded waste of whisky to gift a bottle of Van pappy to some fucking jackoff daniels drinker.
>>18018701I do. Worst hangover of my life. I didn’t have any hallucinations or anything either. I did get to sleep with a really cute girl that night though.
>>18018288No. Depends on the drink tho.Expensive whiskey has distinct and interesting tasting notes. Expensive vodka, imo is a scam. Wine has diminishing returns. The floor of cheap wine is such that you don't have to spend a lot to have an enjoyable bottle.
>>18019421There are a lot of funky, dark rums at very reasonable prices. Highly underrated sipping liquor.
>>18019414>Liquor is 40% ethanol 60% waterThat's vodka. Every other kind of liquor will have various amounts of sugar, esters, and other flavour compounds.
>>18019391>your question is akin to asking if a $500,000 car is really significantly nicer than a $30,000 car. of course it's fucking nicer. that's not to say it's an appropriate purchase for most peopleAround here, we put the same bourbon in $120, $275, $550 and $750 bottles, just so tards like you can buy the nicer drink.
>>18019533you must work for the shittiest distillery of all time
>>18019553Would we be selling a hundred dollar bourbon if it was a shitty distillery? But as I was saying, like every distillery, we make bourbon for gentlemen like yourself, who know how to enjoy a price tag and little else.
>>18019533Indian on the side of the road selling potsOne for $5 one for $10Guy asks what's the difference?Some people like to spend $5, some like to spend $10
In general, if you pay 10x as much, you can expect the quality to be ~2x betterThe sweet spot is 20% above bargain bin
>>18019562In my defense, people genuinely enjoy paying more for the same product.
>>18018288Better? Sure400 dollars better? NoExpensive drinks are for special events or just to flex.
>>18019559you seem to have me confused. my point was that beyond the $200 or so upper limit for regularly available upper-end bottles, there's negligible difference to anyone except the people who explicitly make a hobby of finding those differences. also,>Would we be selling a hundred dollar bourbon if it was a shitty distillery?sure, why not? by your own admission your more expensive bottles have objectively no merit over their cheaper counterparts. sounds like a pretty shitty distillery to me
>>18019591That's how things work, all distilleries sells two products, alcohol and price tags, the more of a name a distillery have, the more it can sell of the latter. People love to say to themselves they can taste tiny differences, but in truth they are tasting the price tag and fooling themselves; if this is your aspiration, I strongly suggest you to get into some autistic hobby, you'll gather niche knowledge instead of skill in tasting what's not there.
>>18019609i unfortunately don't disagree with you, i just dislike what a smug prick you act like on the internet. wahoo, you drink $15-50 fifths like the rest of us, please proceed to pull the stick out of your ass that makes you believe you're so enlightened for doing so. a 25 year whiskey has merit over a 5 year whiskey and some people have the means to justify the price difference, you don't have to get a sore bottom over the fact
>>18019391>your question is akin to asking if a $500,000 car is really significantly nicer than a $30,000 car. of course it's fucking nicerThis. Basically what I was trying to say in >>18019364 but better stated here. And it’s a good analogy to expand upon. It’s nuts to think a guy who buys a 500k car is somehow trying to quantify the enjoyment of that car so he can calculate if it was “worth” it. Because at those price levels, “worth” is irrelevant when we’re talking entirely frivolous (albeit enjoyable) luxury goods. He didn’t buy the car because he felt it would deliver 500k worth of whatever proportional to the 30k car. He bought it because he fucking wanted it, enjoys driving it, and most importantly, can drop 500k without blinking an eye and that car is going to be just one of 15 others in his garage. And that level of disposable income is the main point regarding any luxury good; cars, alcohol, whatever. If it’s “expensive” to you, then you’ll regret buying it. You won’t be able to enjoy it.
>>18018288Only ever tried a couple of glasses of wine that was around £2300, and it was very good, but I have had much cheaper wine that I liked better, personally.For cognac the most expensive I have tried is around £250, and I couldn't tell a qualitative (as in, "grade") difference between it and my favorite, which goes at around £95 per bottle.If you have the money to try it without stressing about it, do it, what is there to lose other than money you can afford and the chance to try something else?The more wines or drinks or whatevers you try the more you'll know. We can't hope to answer questions about your qualia —it is untransferable.
>>18018661Yeah, not true.It depends hugely on brand and even batch for cognac an armagnac and other types of brandy.
>>18018288Define "cheap stuff." From bottom-shelf liquor or wine, definitely. That's obvious.There's an upper limit to the amount that anyone other than a total connoisseur can enjoy.Enjoying the actual taste of a spirit depends on a refined palate and, I'd argue, a lot of experience of tasting.I've been to Napa, but the experience was forgettable in comparison to my experience with Rieslings in New York.Granted, I'm no means an expert. I just know what I know, and what I don't. I've drank a lot of Riesling. I was in Napa for a weekend.
>>18019455>the more you spend, the smaller the increments in qualityPoorfag take>There's no guarantee that a $20,000 whiskey is better than a $6000 one. Double poorfag take with a dash of businesslet>it's a retarded waste of whisky to gift a bottle of Van pappy to some fucking jackoff daniels drinker.Fucking lol okay so not just poorfag take, but self-hating whiskeylet poorfag take. Next time you want to larp, try to remember that shitting on JD is failing the most basic whiskey shit-test there is. Though you did sort of set a fail-record with acting like a Bourbon and a Tennessee Whiskey are somehow interchangeable, and specifically doing so with the literal McRib of bourbon. Actually it’s more like a turbo-McRib. The McRib is already based on “you better buy it today because it will probably be gone tomorrow” marketing. But if McDonald’s told locations “we will only allot you 24 McRibs per day”, then you have Pappy. >Franchise owners would mark it up way over suggested retail. >People would camp in the parking lot to hopefully get a McRib from the case being delivered tomorrow>half those people would literally resell them in the parking lot at a profit to people who didn’t get there early enough
>>18019533>>18019559>we put the same bourbon in $120, $275, $550 and $750 bottles>Would we be selling a hundred dollar bourbon if it was a shitty distillery?you kind of dug your own grave there, bud.
>>18018354>thinks someone can become rich post birthbig dumb. also that shit looks like a forgery a retard pajeet or slant would pay 6 figures for and never open it.
>>18020142cope harder, the poor man's anger is my lifesblood
>>18018661Cognac improves massively with age, but only with time in the barrel. The moment it goes into glass it stops changing, so an old bottle is no better than a younger bottle of the same thing if both came out of the barrel after the same length of time. Good single vintage cognacs will have the bottling date on the bottle as well as the vintage.
>>18019516My wife's family is from the Dominican Republic, and when we went for our honeymoon they treated us to a lot of really nice sipping rums. As a bourbon guy, was not expecting that to be so good, but I've since taken to buying some of the nicer Brugal bottles as a change of pace.
>>18020481damn, i thought only desperate boomers are forced to resort to oil drilling.
>>18018288Not necessarily. In blind studies, sommeliers consistently cannot distinguish between cheap or expensive wine, or even red wine and white wine with red coloring. As long as you're not buying bottom shelf trash, you can find great wine and spirits at almost any price point. The price tag sets expectations. If you paid $200+ for a bottle, you'll analyze it and attribute any different flavors to being an "artisanal" product. If you like paying a little more for the impression of luxury, that's fine you do you, but don't act like it's better by any objective metric.
>>18019502Sounds like a hallucination to me
>>18020409This is wrong. Top producers of both eau de vie and mezcal will age their spirits in glass for up to 10 years before bottling.
>>18020675>>18020675We're talking about cognac, though, which derives its notes and color from the wood. The only effects that happen in the bottle are a result of excess heat and light. Fruit and vegetable based spirits can lose a bit of their fruitiness over time in glass, but that's something different.
>>18020743Fuck off to SB boomer
>>18018288>does expensive $500+ alcoholic drinks actually taste significantly better than the cheap stuff?I think at about $125 you hit premium. CasaAzul reposada large ceramic for instance. 18yr something out of Midleton. Beyond that, maybe you will like it, maybe you will not. There is some packaging/display qualities to the bottles, and you could apply a demand vs supply to that price too. Better, though? Nah. You might not want a bunch of concentrated peat or smoke. Better to find something expertly blended for whatever flavor they wanted to enhance is good enough.I have been gifted some collectables over the years. They are pretty wasted on me for sipping, and I usually just splash them into a pan when deglazing when cooking, or to make like a whisky sauce for bread pudding or ice cream. I pour special reserve aged rum into the Christmas eggnog bowl. Sip them, I do not. I just don't drink that often to care about storing items for 10 years in the liquor cabinet. They're meant to be enjoyed.
>>18019760>Noooooo, you cannot do this... bad things will happen.I'm sorry if this offends you, but people like you consuming price tags is the reason why we've been able to do this for decades.
>>18018354>piss into a bottle along and add a bit of fruits and what not to add some taste>let it rot for some years>slap a fancy expensive labelwala
>>18020142this is the big thing, the more money a drink costs the more likely it is to be fake product. they are REALLY good at deceiving people en masse when it comes to all this "luxury" shit.
>>18018354What's ironic is that you're simply holding a bottle while in a store...
>>18019360The Lustau is my new favorite. I could drink it every night. Bonus: it's cheap at Costco.
>>18018288Top tier gin genuinely has an absolute difference from your basic bitch Bombay Sapphire. Then again like all other drinks there's a point where you do hit diminishing returns.
>>18019319I do agree theres lots of good shit in the sub-100 range, and that’s more or less all I drink. But I’ve had a few really high tier bourbons that were a cut above
>>18019658To expand on this analogy more, what would be the alcohol equivalent of a sport corolla or a miata? Something like a Buffalo Trace maybe?
>>18020313>1950Lmfao you middle class ponce
>>18022148look brother, this is about you>>18020313
>>18018354>being rich is easier than everEverything in sociology and economics disagrees with you you absolute muppet
>>18019502Absinthe doesnt give hallucination retards. You would have to consume way more wormwood than is in a bottle to trip. Absinthe making you trip was a lie made up by the French wine making lobby because working class people were drinking it so much it was starting to cut into their profits. They started a giant smear campaign manufacturing the idea that Absinthe was a hallucinogen drunk by horrifying people like SOCIALISTS and IMPRESSIONISTS!!! And the US banned it because they have a habit of banning the products that people they don’t like enjoy.
>>18024714Yeah okay, ragusea. The reason drunkos hallucinated was that they were drunkos.
>>18021930Alright, once you finish typing your stories, I think your mom wants to have a word with you about your piss bottles.
>>18018970LOL this faggot gets mad when confronted with the simple reality of alcohol. point at laugh at his fear!
>>18024877>You said something I don't like, so you must be a neet, and a loser, and you stinkHe's right and you know it.
>>18024849The reason for the "Absinthe give hallucination" lie is the good and old American puritans, who try to ban anything slightly enjoyable. How a country to boast about being free managed to make alcohol illegal?
>>18018288The cost of wine generally comes from the brand rather than the quality. I've had lots of cheap wines that are better than far more expensive wines. I went to a snooty as fuck blind tasting once where an $18 wine won against $500 wines.
>>18025663>implying America is free>implying it's not a coping mechanism for Americans because they grew up believing that lie and learned quickly in their adult life it's actually bullshit unless they are the top .01%
>>18025663No, it comes from people putting copper pennies into the liquor to make it green. Copper is heavy metal and has all kinds of side effects when it builds up in your system, including hallucinations. As usual, the politicians can't be trusted to make decisions based on facts.
>>18025801>Copper is a heavy metalYeah, it's American puritans with lies.
>>18025801>Not knowing the use of copper during dustillationNgmi.
>>18025801>Copper is heavy metal and has all kinds of side effects when it builds up in your system, including hallucinationsyou know copper is still pretty widely used when brewing beer for example and distilling?what a retarded factoid. copper is food-safe, it's not lead
>>18018288I went to a whisky tasting at Glenmorangie,We tried the thousand dollar bottle that had won awards. It was good, very complex, but we still prefered the 100 dollar bottle because we prefered the flavours
If you know the drink is (much) more expensive and/or comes in a more expensive (looking) bottle, it will taste better. This works for everything. Drinking the same drink in a cheap or fancy setting will result in different flavours because of our psychology. Predictably Irrational has an interesting example about coffee.
>>18028234what was the $100 bottle?
About to go to Scotland. What should I buy?
>>18028234Based and personal preferencepilled
>>18018354Yeah man.Just work 70hrs a week, you'll get that promotion for sure.
>>18018694You're either retarded or failed to comprehend the post you replied to.Which is it?
You've got to be a real fucking moron to spend $500 on cognac when you can get better brandy for under $100.
>>18018354its getting harder every year you dog.minimum wage could support a family and buy a house