Old thread >>>>>>10660802>Please read the FAQ before posting in the thread (always updating)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpDyjw2LDxbupdvHMNsBUOBVB66Lzwf44RM1You1GDA/edit?usp=sharing>Resourceshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10uNmynwRn6CRc-OMqCeXmJwCNnEnd-vYi-7AQzSx74I/edit?usp=sharing>Artist Spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ESQ-1h4IRUivbGNaxJFxXyDU1lSv26xTmMdH0sDX7sU/edit?usp=sharing>How to order from Vograce (now with video on how to set up files)https://docs.google.com/document/d/18UxKnpgrmeb82NnW5e4YIEX-eZ3zHt178Mp6i0A5gME/edit?usp=sharing>Convention List (always WIP)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13o7hD5xS3sDqVptnTVGUlRae3ovEE-vPPST_QOrQwtM/>IP taketowns (based on artists contribution, may or may not have been a one time thing, use as a guideline)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1696MDhNPhrZ0ySZhXkoJnGxb7l1OjW4JsVhu1wKvaWE>AA Inspo (thanks anon!)https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D19QV9nHwaY8AaNiEXZAAkEhkBTSsb01?usp=sharingFinally most cons are back and less canceled. Back to the artist Alleys for this Autumn-Winter ! What do you plan to do for the end of the year?
Best manu for enamel pins?
Would it be weird to ask an artist to sign a print at a con? I think it's fun to have a signature, but I'm not sure if it would make the artist uncomfortable to suddenly ask that.
>>10812982No, most artists will be happy to do it as long as you aren't a turbo autist who uses that as an excuse to chat for 10 minutes and hold the line.
>Finally get an anime con in my area>All the fucks from California take up all the AA tablesFuck off you greedy pieces of shits
>>10813222frfr every con west of the Mississippi is just the same fucking 50 people and their fotm/genshin shit over and over.
>>10811407I feel like I should make a how to use Alibaba guide. Do we have something like that or should I actually make one?
>>10813433I don't think I've seen anything like that and I'd certainly find it helpful
>>10813222NGL I feel the same way. But the truth is if it's juried their art > yours to the judge. Also if you are from out of state, and lose money on the show... think about it and don't come back till it's bigger.
>>10813433Yes please anon
> All these out of state people saying how slow ANYC after they fucked with tickets and are disappointed by the lackluster sales.Heh
>>10816586>>10817889Sorry, I lost track of this thread. I’ll put one together this week.
>>10819408And every single one of them will sign up for a booth again next year
>>10819408I'm just across the river and I'm not doing the show next year. Lost money man. Let's say in 2018 I made 5$, Then 2021 I made 4$, and finally in comparison in 2022 I made 1$. The difference is that big in percentage. Like this year was bad, I coulda just sat home drawing the booba and actually made money.
>>10819918maybe your stuff is bad
>>10819958There's only one artist that was questionable in the artist alley this year if you did a walkthrough. The every con has a basically tracing on canvas person. Everyone else was pretty well curated.
>>10819918Were there less people? More competition? I remember AA being extremely crowded last year
>>10820915I'm going to take a guess at what happened. There were 100 less tables this year than last despite artists last year doing very well for the most part. Some speculate it was to expand dealers hall/add that stupid ass car show in between dealers and alley. The biggest offender was the ticket limitations/pricing that drained everyone's money before the con even started so less attendees plus the attendees that did get to go were already broke before the show or only bought a 1 day. Last year was also something of a perfect storm for that con. NYCC was capped, first anime con in NYC since pandemic, no capped attendance equaled super good sales. This year NYCC wasn't capped and had a larger amount of anime and ANYC was capped.
What's up with people in AA with "fortress of solitude" setups where you can't even interact with the seller, and their setup is totally blocking them from view? It's like, do you not actually want to make sales or talk with your customers? Note: Definitely not a covid thing since they don't have masks on or sneeze screens.
What's the going rate for 8.5x11 prints these days?
>>10821158Them cutting 100 tables is stupid, people love AA
>>10821850They may just have too many things to display on what's usually a 6ft table with height limitations, anon. Or they have social anxiety and prefer to only interact when necessary. They're artists, not entertainers.
>>10821961Honestly thought the artist alley was huge and wouldn't less tables mean potentially more sales/profit per table?
ok first time applying to fanime soon. in the 4 links to images. does it have to be single subject images or can it be a small collage?
I've updated the Convention list with 2023 dates and open signups. Haven't double-checked pricing though.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13o7hD5xS3sDqVptnTVGUlRae3ovEE-vPPST_QOrQwtM/
>What was your best con of 2022?>How have things been saleswise (offline and online) in this post-covid world? Include your country/region if you’re comfortable.>What are you looking forward to in 2023?>Trend predictions>>10825969Thanks anon!
So I got into my little local con's AA and I'm on the fence of committing. I make candles, but jarless ones. <- Since I make them all by hand, they take forever and due to time/money, I can't really sell them for too cheap. My goal, if I go, would be to break even. I'm looking at $700 bucks for 3 nights at the hotel and a small fee for the actual table. Do y'all think I can make my money back selling these types of fandom candles at like $35 bucks a pop? If that sounds too high, I'm kinda hoping that the thrill of FOMO will make people at the con want to buy stuff. I also have a theory that the AA at smaller cons are usually small time artists (not that amazing yet in the skill department) and mostly re-sellers of DVDs/shirts. Feels like I would have a little bit of an edge. It would have to be women cause my product is not aimed at men, no matter how dorky they are.Also this con would be my first in the AA so I think the small size of it would be good practice. TLDR; Anime Candles! Thoughts?
>>10821919They always range. On Etsy - $15-30ish. At cons- I always see them for $20 and if you're art sucks then $15. I think that's fair though cause you have a low chance of selling at a lower price if it's not that great.
>>10826523candle makers need to kill themselves. you retards put tons of flammable materials and dyes in your ~~handmade~~ candles that are just shitty molds.
>>10826555Not the other anon, but what do you think the rest of AAs are filled with? Replica Master Swords and beer cups with a laser etched Vegeta that were all made from scratch? Glass blown by hand or forged in steel with a hammer and anvil? Kek.
>>10826523That’s honestly a very cute candle but desu even at a con I wouldn’t pay $35 for something that will either be a dust magnet or look messed up as soon as I burn it because of all the different colors and the way the wick is coming right out of multiple objects in the composition. Maybe $20-25. I would be more inclined to buy a cheaper & simpler kawaii candle, or a simpler fandom candle that I could burn for a bit without immediately wrecking.
>>10826560If you were able to scrape up the remains of your braincells together, you'd understand a candle being made of flammable dyes and decorations means it's a hazard if you light it at home. Last time I checked, cosplay props don't typically need to be set on fire the way a candle wick does. Retard.
What’s even selling at AA anymore? I feel like there’s just too many fandoms to really sell one thing (or have a main subject focus). For example, I spent all last year doing Family Spy stuff and when I was ready for the con, it wasn’t hip anymore and everyone moved onto Chainsaw Man even though Family Spy was still airing new episodes. I’m always chasing a fandom and never catching up. And if I do my own favourite stuff it doesn’t sell or again, lost its interest to people. Ugh. I feel like now, more than ever, people would rather buy official merch than AA stuff. At least a few years ago I thought it was pretty even. I even knew some people only bought fan made stuff cause they didn’t want to support big business.
>>10827931FotM gonna FotM but if you're struggling this hard you're either too slow or, frankly, your art is just average. If your stuff is good enough, there will always be some people who still buy stuff from three months ago.It's better to diversify and make stuff from different fandoms rather than gamble it all on how long a specific fad will last, but if you want something that lasts forever just do Pokemon or Ghibli.
>>10827931How's your art anon? I'm still struggling to keep Animal Crossing stuff in stock almost 3 years after the initial hype. FOTM is tricky because if everyone is selling a series, you now have to be the best in quality of art, uniqueness of what you're making (shaker charms are still novel but acrylic keychains less so for example), or just plain being the cheapest table at the con. If you're anywhere in the middle for all three categories, don't even bother.
>>10825969Thank you anon you're a life saver
hey cgl, anybody know a good place to get 18+ doujins printed? Alibaba is no help
Dumb question- but let’s say you make Pokémon earrings or whatever. And they are a huge hit in both your Etsy shop and AA. You make thousands of dollars making them. Can you get sued later or just be sent a letter to stop? Would you have to give half your earrings to the company? I just see these shops that sell anything and everything that’s trade marked and there’s no way they have a license for it but they sell in the 12,000 sales level or higher! How does all of this work?
I was at Anime Impulse today and for reasons I won't get into I put together a spreadsheet charting the popularity of various series/media franchises based on how many distinct tables carried merchandise related to them. It's not super scientific since I wasn't able to cover every table in the Artist Alley and I probably missed some merchandise here and there, but I suppose it gives a relatively decent overview of what was popular today. Maybe some of you will find it useful.
When is the AANI discord going to go through the applicants? Are the mods just too busy playing FFXIV or something
>>10829787Whoa. Doing God’s work right there. Thanks so much!
>>10829787Cheers, I can definitely make use of this info.
>>10828760https://boards.4channel.org/ h /Try asking here
Is every con just going to lottery selection now? Some of the most random bullshit getting in and barely any in-state community are getting tables
>>10829501Personally on etsy, they just take the listing down. I don't think they're going to go after you for money unless you're making a serious profit. Tagging 'pokemon' will probably for sure get it flagged though. I had a design sell 100+ times get taken down, but that's all that happened, it was just taken down.
>>10829787How much does shit like Sailor Moon actually sell? Whenever I make stuff of big IPs for cons it ends up just being a waste of time. People only seem to care about the niche fandoms I draw. Which is fine, it still makes money and I make a lotta profit, but like, is this common with other artists?
Anyone mind sharing their average sales amounts? And did your sales increase or decrease after the covid break?I have been doing cons for a while but really starting to think I'm falling behind now and just want actual honest numbers to compare with to see if I need to change shit up.
>>10832851Like >>10827963 and >>10828045 mentioned, doing big or popular series means your art and designs have to be better or more unique than everyone else. Niche fandoms have less content and thus less competition. Marketing and image also have a say though. If you've found your niche, you will have an established audience wanting exactly that kind of stuff and might not be looking to buy mainstream fandoms from you anyway.
So who on the AnimeNext board fired the Artist Alley regular guy to push the 50/50 display rule?
Why do sellers on Reddit sperg out so hard about selling fanart? Makes it so hard to get advice. They believe selling fanart is the highest sin possible and will drag you over the coals for doing it, totally ignoring that some of the most popular art in the world is technically fanart.
>>10832894Not exclusively in the AA, but I'll tell you. I cleared 120k in sales during the pandemic. Stimmy money clearly went into my pocket. But in 2022, despite doubling down on my most effective products and sales strategies I barely cleared 60k. A convention I had done over 10k before barely cleared 2k in 2022. Sales are even further down since late 2022. Most of the people I know are *really really really* struggling right now. I saw this coming and took a traditional job, which I actually love so much that I might never go back to the circuit full time, but desu I don't think it's a matter of "changing it up". The economy is a bit rough right now, and when people don't have a lot of extra money, the AA always takes the biggest hit imo. It's just an occupational hazard you have to come to terms with. Our industry is EXTREMELY vulnerable to economic conditions. While there's always ways you can improve, sometimes the buyers just don't have the expendable income, and there's nothing you can do to change that. I did see an uptick in sales of my lower priced items, so perhaps leaning more into affordable stuff (<$15) will get you better results.
>>10834154Simple. Fan artists are by definition, vultures. Every item you produce is derivative and depends on someone else creating something people actually want to buy in order for you to make a living. It's not always a fair criticism, because if more people would support original art then artists would create it, but at the same time, it's no one's job but yours to make a product people want to buy. There ARE original-only artists who make a great living in the anime/comic convention circuit. But it's a heck of a lot harder than just pumping out derivative content from whatever is hot rn and calling it a day. And I think the fact that it is genuinely much harder to make a living as an original artist puts a real chip on their shoulders, even if they're not making any money doing it. It's like a badge of honor to not draw fan art in a lot of circles. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world and I actually used to sell fanart, but realistically, as a fan artist you can't possibly expect people not to frown on the fact that every dollar you make is a product of someone else's intellectual property. In fact, people try to act like copyright law is super complicated but it's not. If you do not own the character, you have no legal right to profit from work featuring that character without permission from copyright holder. That's straight from DeviantArt's own lawyer, who speaks regularly on the topic at conventions and events. No judgement here, we all gotta make a living somehow, but I thought it was pretty obvious why people are so obnoxious about it. They're trying to get some kind of moral high ground and in fairness, they're not 100% wrong there.
>>10834226>They're trying to get some kind of moral high ground and in fairness, they're not 100% wrong there.It’s fully expected that you will get a lot of flak going on Reddit asking about how to profit of fanart, but artists are also too high up their own ass regarding this “higher moral ground”. Most art related jobs in the world involves drawing or making something at the behest of your employer or a client, be it making advertisements, illustrations of someone else’s texts or stories, making concept art of descriptions given by an art director or producer to maximize appeal for the masses, commissions and so on. Very few art and design jobs involves freely following your own ideas. When you’re selling your own stuff it very often involves finding a style, niché and image you then need to stick to.People can complain about this as much as you want but in the end your art needs to appeal to others for it to sell. Yes it’s harder to make a living out of original art so you need to work harder for it. Many people who complains about how their original art doesn’t sell also seem oblivious to either how self-indulgent their art is or that their skill is simply not good enough. You still need to learn how to make your art appeal to others.
>>10834241Not OP, but there's a BIG difference between working on contract/corporate job and mass producing work that isn't actually yours and selling that for a profit. I always laugh when fan artists get butthurt about people "stealing" their work when it was never really theirs to begin with. So they're able to understand that it's theft when someone takes their intellectual property, but can't imagine having the same respect for the original creators and copyright holders.Fan art really shouldn't be allowed at cons imho. It makes it even harder for original artists to sell and creates this endless feedback loop of restricting creativity in the artist alley.
>>10834241>Many people who complains about how their original art doesn’t sell also seem oblivious to either how self-indulgent their art is or that their skill is simply not good enoughDESU this is true of a lot of fan artists too. There's a lot of entitlement in the artist alley sales wise. Some of the comments I've gotten from other artists are just honestly too obnoxious for words. And there are some really lovely people too, don't get me wrong.>>10834250>when fan artists get butthurt about people "stealing" their workMy personal favorite is when they think they own a pose/pairing/concept from a wildly popular and well developed fandom. I've seen some incredibly heated drama about vaguely similar concepts between competing artists. And it's like hmmm. When you're both drawing on the same established cannon and fandom, there might be a lot of similarities in the derivative art you produce. Imagine that. Or don't apparently.
>>10834250>Fan art really shouldn't be allowed at cons imhoFan art is free advertisement for shows and franchises that keeps people thinking about it and engaging with it. If you went to a Japanese AA and told them no fan art you'd be laughed out of the building as they understand this. What is even appropriate to see at an ANIME CONVENTION artist alley that is original? Your own original gay sex anime characters? People want to buy ANIME at an ANIME convention, fan artists supply a lot of merch of things that would otherwise have no representation there. There's a reason many companies turn a blind eye to fanart, because its a mutually beneficial relationship
>>10834250You're missing the point. The creative process is the exact same: you are drawing something made by you, based on something you did not make. The only difference is in one you've been given permission to and one you haven't, but the artistic process is the exact same. There's also very little original art in this world. You pick ANY original art piece you've ever done and you can directly link it to something you've seen in your life. If I draw my own OC anime character it's simply a remix of a few people's art, anime style in itself is a derivative of someone's work. I've yet to see someone with enough originality in their work to justify them being able to look down their nose at fanartists when they're only one or two steps out from that themselves, at least fanartists are honest about it.
>>10834214Can confirm. Of my 5 friends who do this full time, 3 gone back to day jobs in the last 6 months. And the who still do this full time both have a partner that pays for most of their expenses. All of them were doing fine before. It's a double whammy. Inflation hasn't been higher in years, and at least, for me and my friends, sales have never been lower.
>>10834257I'm >>10834226, and my traditional job is in the creative corporate industry and it is a totally different process from fan art. I'm given assets to work with, but the entire creative process for each campaign is original. Not trying to be an a-hole here, but you really need a step stool for all that reaching you're doing to try and equate inspired art with fan art. It's totally different. Inspired art is materially different. Fan art is instantly recognized as the character you are drawing on, and that recognition that another artist and creator has spent years developing is something you are stealing to make your money. It doesn't make you scum of the earth, but let's not get it twisted.
>>10834254>If you went to a Japanese AA and told them no fan art Who's gonna tell him? LMAO talk about talking out your ass.
>>10834261But you just said yourself your job is based off assets you did not make. Is someone artistically lazy if they just draw animals? Since thats instantly recognisable as that animal? I'm not saying fanartists are Gods but the way people speak down about it is ridiculous. If the fanart is a very creative look at that character then whats the issue? Why is it worth less than someone drawing an animal straight from a photograph? Because one cuts into the profits of a mega corporation and one doesn't?
>>10834263Comiket, biggest artist alley in the world, mostly fanart sellers.
>>10834266You do realize that Comiket is literally the ONLY approved event for fan art sales right? And you do realize Japan is actually discussing ammending their already strict copyright laws to require revenue generating cosplayers to pay out the original creators? Worst possible example.
>>10834261This is Pokemon fanart. So this is somehow worth less creatively than if they'd drawn from photo references of real life bugs? Explain how
>>10834268But it's not. There is a shit ton of smaller monthly events, usually centered around a specific fandom, where fanartists sell their goods. The Japanese gov can say whatever shit they want about the law, who even cares. The people attending the events have no problem and that's who matters.
>>10834266NTA but 99.9% of Japanese events ban fan art. Japanese copyright law is super strict, and that's probably why they're able to produce the kind of content they do. If they can make it big, people know their work will be protected.Remember that time when Japan sent an international special forces team to arrest a notorious copyright violator in the Philippines? They don't play, and I'd argue that it's actually really paid off. Same thing in Germany btw.
>>10834269>>10834269NTA but no one said anything about photo references? Literally the only reason why that piece of art exists is because someone else created Johto and the world of pokemon. Fan art gets shit on in artist communities because it's low hanging fruit and everyone knows it. Well that and because of >>10834251
>>10834274The copyright infringement you're referring to was someone illegally distributing the actual anime, aka actually harming the product directly. There no derivative work involved. Fanart is not the same at all as distributing a torrent of the anime and it says a lot that you're twisting this to suit the anti-fanart narrative. https://www.tofugu.com/japan/doujinshi-definition/Booth.pm is 99% doujin items, there is thousands of doujin item events around Japan every year. So much cope coming from you. What it comes down to is people get resentful that some artists take this easier path to get their work noticed, they think there is some huge honour in starving for years drawing some random self indulgent shit no one else cares about over doing fanart to get your work noticed than moving it over to original. Stay broke!
>>10834275This image would be arguably less creative if it was just copied from photos of insects from real life. It required MORE creativity to re-imagine the real insects combined with the Pokemon designs. Tell me why this is not as creative as producing an identical image but the source material was photos of bugs? You can't. It's interesting the one that's bad is the one that hurts the pockets of giant corporations isn't it?
>>10834276>Booth.pmThat's the whole problem though. Booth.pm's tagline is literally "the international indie art marketplace". Fan art doesn't belong there and it shouldn't belong in any place purporting to be independent art. There's nothing "independent" about your entire living being dependent on these mega franchises. There are tons and I mean tons of vaguely kawaii style artists doing real independent work and making a lot of money off it. A lot of them go into plushes, apparel, and other items that need more buy in, but this whole idea that you can't make money without fan art is lazy and just an excuse for the fact that people really struggle to produce decent content when they can't rely on existing fandoms to drive their sales.
>>10834278Yes, but you know what would be even more creative? If they actually created their own content based on this concept.
>>10834280Almost every single one of them started with fanart so...
>>10834282What? Bugs displayed like that? That's original is it? To copy what you see at any museum? The truth of the matter is originality does not exist in art. Period.
>>10834283Not really? I'm thinking of three of the top of my head, and while they may have drawn fan art privately, none of them sold fanart. There's also several indie comics that pull in over 10k a month on patreon. One I know personally has been building his skills and making independent comics since middle school.
>>10834286No you dingbat. Content creation. What would be even more creative would be creating your own comic/game/CYOA/visual novel etc. But all of those things require more effort to build something than just slapping "Johta" on there, and suddenly your museum bug pin up becomes marketable because it has someone else's IP in it.
>>10834289Give me an example
>>10834290So you're saying even art that draws from nature isn't creative enough for you?
>>10834280This is the same problem I have with Etsy. It seems like very few people on there are actually independent artists these days, and they destroy marketplaces that were created for actual indie work.
>>10834293The snobbery is hilarious. Your art isn't any more original or legitimate. Fanart is "actual indie work." Most art in history is fanart on some level. If all these platforms are being filled with this content and its selling did it occur to you that maybe this is what people like, and you're the one who is wrong?
>>10834280>fan art is lazy and just an excuse for the fact that people really struggle to produce decent content when they can't rely on existing fandoms to drive their sales.Artists want to draw what makes them happy and inspires them. Artists are inspired by other art. Artists also want to get paid for their time drawing. If the fan art demonstrates technical skill and creativity its no lazier than a portrait of a person or animal from real life
>>10834291NTA but the cost of entry for plushes, jewelry, clothes, and accessories has never been lower so there's actually quite a lot of original artists in the artist alley that have not and do not do derivative works. Hell, I even saw an original shoe maker in the artist alley that was clearly doing very well. Not saying fanart is bad, but it isn't something that every successful artist has done.
>>10834294NTA and I like/buy fanart but I wouldn't call it "independent".
>>10834296So give me an example
>>10834294>Your art isn't any more originalI mean my art won't get flagged for copyright violations but okkkkkkk you do you
>>10834299Where is the lie LMAO. >>10834294Look I draw fanart but let's not play games. It's not original work, it's marketable work. And if someone has a problem with that you can tell them you're crying all the way to the bank, but you can't honestly tell me you've convinced yourself that fan art is just as original as original art? That's some serious delusion.
>>10834300I'm not saying its original work. But it's not always less original that a portrait of animals, people, etc. Most classic art is portraits of some kind, many pieces being fanart of the bible or wars, which was very marketable for that time. But there's people in this thread who argue that's not real art and their art, some gay looking character they came up with drinking a cup of coffee, is the one thats real art. Look at how people speak about fanart, they speak about it the same way they speak about AI generated work. It's ignorant and delusional, when these peoples work will only be one or two steps away from someone else's work anyway. So does making something of a franchise you love and selling it mean you should be banned from all selling platforms because its more marketable than someone drawing some random shit?
>>10834301>So does making something of a franchise you love and selling it mean you should be banned from all selling platforms because its more marketable than someone drawing some random shit?I mean yes? because it's copyright theft? That's why we have a copyright system- to distinguish public domain and common concepts from original ideas. When you boil it down, fan artists are getting an unfair advantage by illegally using someone else's IP. This theft being considered acceptable incentivizes artists to not create their own characters and designs, because they need to compete with everyone else selling one more generic GI pairing or keychain. I just think overall, it keeps the creativity level lower than it could be if people were more incentivized to pursue their own content.
>>10834250Literally the only proper difference is legality.Some people looking down on fanart are way too up on their high horse. There are people taking shortcuts and cutting corners on something more easily marketable, yes. I have little respect for people who are so lazy that they just come here and ask for want fandoms sell because they can't figure it out on their on or draw what they like and make it sell. But I have little respect for people drawing original art and complaining about how people don't support original art. Selling art has always been about making it appealing. Having to beg your audience because you supposedly are original is not a sustainable sales model. They will naturally have less reason to care about your OCs than characters from franchises they like, so accept that you have a harder job marketing and selling it.Most acclaimed artists throughout history made a living painting commission portraits of nobles and royals, or saints and biblical figures and generic landscapes and shit. Existing characters, just with permission. They painted directly from life and models all the time. The creativity involved depends on the execution and their skill. It's not like originality used to be lauded in art, traditionally it was about drawing specific subjects and topics and making it look good, or like what the client wanted it to look like. Saying all fanartists are lazy hacks because they draw established figures just sounds like salt because good fanartists can earn a lot by doing it. You still need the usual artistic (or marketing) skill to earn big. The only real argument is legalities.
>>10834307I want to study you in a lab to understand how a fucked up little sperg like you comes to exist. Copyright law is made up bullshit that exists to protect corporations, theres no difference between ""original"" art, fan art, life drawing etc etc and copyright infringement doesn't fucking matter. The skills involved in creating high quality fan art is the same as if those artist used them for drawing literally anything else. A beautifully rendered piece of fanart is just as much art as anything else and if you don't understand that I need you to at least understand there is literally no hope for you.
>>10834403>theres no difference between ""original"" art, fan art, life drawing etc etc and copyright infringement doesn't fucking matter.Are you mentally incapacitated in some way? Even AA admissions criteria distinguish between these things. Everyone knows that original artists have a disadvantage, and conventions started instituting these percentage changed rules and fanart limitations/bans because there were becoming issues from copyright holders. Homestuck is a perfect example of this. The creator was notoriously anal about fanart and sales. He was a dick, but that was definitely in his rights to do that, especially since he didn't charge for access to his content, and didn't want others to do that either. A lot of ya'll clearly have a complex about that failed self published manga dream or something, and are now out here trying to pretend that it takes the same skills to produce something original. It doesn't. Creating your own characters, world, and story/plot and being successful selling it is objectively insanely hard by comparison to just pumping out the same costumes, hairstyles, and pre-established relationships of a massive fandom. If you can't see that you need your eyes checked. That's why some people look down on fan artists. It's genuinely not on the same level as fully original art in terms of difficulty. In original art, you have to come up with the costume, aesthetic, character attributes/personality that will come through. Well done original art will always be more difficult than fan art of the same execution level because the additional challenge of creating and marketing an original character doesn't generally apply to fanart.
>>10834400Copyright law is fairly modern, if it had of existed even 100 years ago even the Mona Lisa would be considered fanart, illegal and immoral. It's depressing how many people drink the kool aid on this topic on a law that exists to do nothing but protect corporations. I understand this same law protects all artists, I do. But it truly is punching up when someone is drawing and selling fanart of Nintendo, Disney, etc and how bootlickers clutch their pearls at this is beyond me. They simply refuse to acknowledge that to draw a character is no different than to draw a portrait of a king, the literal only difference is one is owned by a company and one is not. But creatively its identical. It's illegal to use copyrighted music on your tiktok video, but how many of these super original artists are doing exactly that on their posts?>>10834403Any normal person sees that drawing and thinks "that's someone who wants to share their passion and love for this character, who is very talented and creative and expressing it." Bootlickers see this and think "what a disgusting vulture doing nothing but stealing the creativity and food out of another artist's mouth" It's fucking beyond me. Randell Weems of the art community
>>10834424Yeah, creating your own world, characters etc is so hard, that's why the internet totally isn't flooded with trash Mary Sue self indulgent nonsense with no technical ability. If a video game or show sparks passion to create beautiful art that doesn't make that art worth any less than your self insert fanfic.
>>10834424Homestuck is an interesting example, Hussey was a giant dick, but at the end of the day, it was his IP, and he did ask repeatedly for people to respect his right to deny unlicensed commercialization. I hated homestuck and the horse it rode in on, but artist to artist, I would respect his boundaries there. Tbh if any creator came forward and said they didn’t want unlicensed merch being made and sold, I’d comply with their request too.
>>10834437Yeah but content creation is always an iceberg. For every top tier amazing anime/manga, there are literally thousands of garbage pieces. The same rule applies to fan art so that’s a moot point.
>>10834439You know whats also an iceberg? Originality. There is almost no such thing as original art.
>>10834434this is the stupidest shit i've ever read.
>>10834441What a cope. Honestly if you can’t see the difference between original and fan art and you honestly think they are conceptually the same, you need like a conservatorship for your smooth brain energy.
>>10834513he seems to think that getting inspiration to create OC is the same as inspiration for creating a derivative work. the reality is that most people only draw fan art to get clout or for self satisfaction. it's not like making OCs is hard.
>>10834515I make fan art because it sells. I don’t even particularly like most of the things I draw for, and that’s true for most people I know doing this full time. I’d love to do just original work, but it rarely sells at conventions that allow fan art, which is still the majority. I frown on fan art too desu, not because I don’t get why people sell it, but because I do really wish there was more support for indie art. I honestly don’t know if conventions making changes would help or just make the AA overall unprofitable. But yeah, most full time folks know their income source is questionable, but hey, it pays the bills and I I haven’t been sued yet so….
>>10834515So you think this person did this for no other reason than to get clout and its worthless right? What immoral hack trash this must be in your eyes. If I do a painting of an animal I took a photo of, it is not creative or derivative work. So in your eyes its just to get clout and worthless is it? If I do a drawing of an animal from a video game I love I'm a complete soulless bitch am I? Complete retard
>>10834525And you're okay with people thinking you deserve to starve to death because you're making execs at Nintendo upset?
>>10834525I’ve done several local almost mainstream events that did not allow fan art and had decent sales. ~400-600 in a one day, 5 hour event with basically no overhead costs. Fan art being permitted makes the expectations of your customers. There are lots of people who go to conventions and don’t shop the artist alley at all, and those that do are often doing so explicitly to support indie artists, so personally I do think that conventions disallowing fan art would actually increase opportunities for people to make and market their own original ideas.
>>10834525exactly. if you're doing it for money, that's what sells.
>>10834534No one said anything like that. Sperge much? I honestly don’t care what people think. I’m just saying from the perspective of someone doing this full time, I actually don’t love drawing fan art, and most of the people in my circle don’t either. We draw it to make money because that’s what is expected in the artist alley. If I were unable to make a living doing this, I’d just get a normal job like everybody else. It’s really not that complicated.
>>10834540if you don't mind me asking what type of events were they and what type of artwork?
>>10834534I’ll tell you this much. I would much rather have people starve to death or get a normie job than keep fucking complaining non stop about how shitty their life is because they’ve chosen the AA path and can’t accept that it’s not a full time income for them.
>>10834544NTA but I did a local holiday market type thing that made bank. I live in quirky city though so your mileage may vary. Sold a fuck ton of keychains and anime ornaments
>>10834547was it a general artistry event or specifically for anime targeted stuff?
>>10834548Generally artsy, no licensed materials allowed. It was in an area of town that has all the weebshit though. >>10834545We could do a whole thread on those people. Does anybody not have at least one person in their circle who has to have more problems than anyone else and is constantly complaining about how rough they have it and how bad business is? I had one girl even say I didn’t deserve to have good sales because I’m more “privileged” and she needed the money more than me. For some reason the AA seems to attract a lot of people like that. I guess it’s probably because AA income is easy to bury when you apply for SS/benefits. Nothing against that but by god if you can do the AA circuit full time you have the ability to work a normal job. I’d argue that full time AA travel is substantially more challenging and physically demanding than most normie jobs.
>>10834532stop wasting your time, they're either a bot or so subhuman that its impossible to seperate them from a bot
>>10834525This is the crux of the problem, ignoring morons that think drawing fanart is a crime, the main reason fanart is annoying is because it sells so well. People treat artists as discount merch factories, demanding them to be constantly churning out cheaper merch for their favourite shows. Its a vicious cycle in which the people buying fanart do not give a single shit about where or who they are buying from, rather that is has their favourite waifu of the month on it, so artists are forced to draw what is most popular if they want to have any hope in hell of selling anything. Artist alleys then become flooded with fanart of amazing to dubious quality, pushing out the original art pieces and OC only artists and so on and so forth.
>>10834571This is the best comment in this whole thread. 100%. You summed up my feelings about fan art perfectly. We are expected to produce it, and to produce mass quantities and variations at prices below the official merchandise, who have whole teams of artists and marketers handling that work load. I wonder if banning fan art might also reduce burnout.
after reading this thread it's made me wonder if I should just stop selling fanart items. My stock is about 70% original/30% fanart, I thought as its just the odd item (of things i'm actually passionate about) it wasn't a big deal, but do people really look down on me this much for that? the stuff I have isn't even hugely popular characters, I just did it because I was passionate and did want to make some money off my work
>>10834551did you get many sells from non-weeby types at all? was it anime style drawings of original characters?
>>10834587Tbh I don't think it would actively drive sales away, it seems to mostly be within the community. >>10834588Yeah, but it did seem to be more like aunts and grandmas buying for their grandkids. I do American landscapes in a manga style and some original characters. Everything is definitely manga-inspired, but the event didn't allow licensed content. In fact, a karen next door got pissed off about them telling her she couldn't sell items made with Marvel fabric. Best sellers were the ornaments, and I guess that's because you don't really see licensed anime ornaments because Japan doesn't really participate in the whole tree thing.
Genshin Impact explicitly says you're allowed to sell fan merch as long as you follow certain rules. Are there any other anime style IPs with those policies?
>>10834572If fanart was banned at a con I just wouldn't buy anything from the AA but clothes. I'm amazed you guys sell any original art ngl. Where I live original art doesn't sell at all unless it's clothing or generic animals. People only want fanart.
>>10834738>>10834738I sell fanart and original art and it really depends on the crowd. Typically, the teens don't buy anything but fanart. It's the adults (like 22+) who have more refined tastes and have been going to the alley for a long time that are looking for more unique things, which does sometimes include especially creative fanart, but they are my biggest original art customers for sure. I think it's because the more conventions you've gone to, the less likely you are to buy one more generic print to take up space on your wall and I think we can all agree that a solid 30-40% of the alley is selling the same basic products. I'd even bet Vograce specifically made about 80% of what I saw in the alley at my last event.
Recommendations for inkjet sticker paper? Haven't been happy with many.
>>10826523You would probably do much better at loc craft fairs and events. Maybe if the con has a lot of lolita and jfash content these would sell too.
reminded of its existence by Katsu, does Station Unity have an artist alley? This is impossible to search up easily on the internet for some reason
Going to an AA for the first time as a seller. I want to wear my lolita coord to look more flashy so people want to come to my booth more? I took a poll on my socials if I should just wear sweats to be comfy and go all out and it's really split.Thoughts? Would you be drawn or scared to come to the table?
>>10838349It does help to be dressed up, especially if you're cosplaying a fandom you're selling. If your wares aren't lolita themed at all it doesn't matter, but you're going to be sitting or standing still for long periods of time without being able to adjust your outfit so it better be comfortable.
Is there a list with anime/manga/video games that are okay with letting artists selling fanart ?I only know Genshit Impact is okay with it with some rules but idk about the other fandoms
Long shot but did anyone apply to Jafax and get an acceptance email yet?
>>10838349It's actually proven that attractive folks get more sales. So yes, a small % increase in sales will seen statistically.
does anyone have any experience selling wall scrolls/tapestries? art printed onto material? I'm looking for recommendations for where to get them printed for an upcoming con
I just got an acceptance email for anime next like two days ago but I don't even remember applying and I'm taking a year off AA b/c of life exploding.Is this even legit?
>>10843645Did they do rollovers from cancelled years maybe?
>>10828760Look into the last page of doujins (if it has been scanned), you can get some printing services info from there.There's also services like Komorebi. Now, if you live somewhere shitty like me and can't get them shipped to you, you can always print them at home.
For those of you accepting cards, do you charge the extra processing fees to your customers?
>>10846458It's 2023. Most people are using cards. Just factor it into the price. Don't leave a sour taste in your customers' mouth by surprising them with an extra fee when you could easily just raised your prices by a dollar and covered the processing fee and then some.
Is it actually possible to make a living off of this?I hate my job, but I'd be worried for my future if I didn't have things like retirement or state insurance. What's the oldest seller you've seen at a con? I'm in my 20's so I'd be okay for the next few years, but I don't know how long people can usually keep this up... I've seen older people successfully doing furry shit. Has anyone here tried to do both?
>>10847240Jeez you sound new to all of this. Have you ever sold at a convention before? Have you even BEEN to a convention? There are definitely people older than 20s. Do some research and stop expecting to be spoonfed. This isn’t Discord.
>>10847240only idiots do this as their only form of income. most people who table live at home, have a spouse with a job or have a full time job themselves.
>>10847240yes, my friend does this fulltime while also running an online store and easily pulls in 6 digits a year. I help pack during peak season and get paid. She said she gets around 10k a month in profit from the online store. she views cons as a advertising expense, but still manages to net positive after them. just be smart w marketing and get good deals on manufacturing.
>>10810506>Artist Spreadsheet(?)"You need access">IP taketownsRegister Discord, read rules, submit artist application - (not for hobbyists), submit google d0x in order to accesswhat the hell kind of OP is this
>>10847321I've been to cons, but never sold at them. I know people who have, though. I haven't been to one since before the pandemic and I was too retarded and collegebrained to think about the fact that I will get older back then. I've seen visibly older people selling like, anime soap and little crafts and shit, but I've never seen someone older than 40 doing the whole fill-time convention artist thing where your entire job is making FOTM keychains. Do you know of any?>>10847349How many followers does she have? Did she get those from doing the con circuit, or did she have an online following before she started? I used to have a decent one before I deleted all my accounts in a schizo rage and now I really regret it. My current plan is to build it back up with IRL events where everyone is on equal footing and it's just about skill
>>10847389Most of it is from Instagram and Tiktok. Short form videos creating merch and prints really helped boost an audience. She has around 100k followers or so
>>10847349>>10847411your friend is lying. 100k isn't enough to pull that kind of money.
Assuming that most of you don't spend your lives doing this fulltime, where else do you sell outside of conventions?Somehow I'm envisioning a relatively low-traffic shopify store and nothing else.
>>10847532Erase the ideas that followers mean anything. I regularly see people with hundreds of thousands of followers struggle to actually pull sales. You need people who spend money, not people who like posts. You don't get a dollar per follower. Focus on building your e-commerce presence over your social media presence.
>>10847711This honestly. Her customer base is varied and referrals and customer behavior are not entirely from SNS sales. A large portion actually come from existing customers who are subscribed to newsletters. Think of Social Media as an extra boost for advertising, but don’t depend on them solely for calculating $$$$.I think creating easy to navigate sites, with well organized collections help. Also upselling on other complimentary items help too.Ie: if you sell prints, give people the option to purchase a frame, or matting. You can buy bulk pre-sized stuff and make the final product feel more luxe.
Is AANI still around? I see a group order page but nothing else. I asked a mod a few days ago but she hasn't responded.
>>10848526This thread and the discord is dead. You’re unironically better going to the fb groups
>>10847361Agree we need to re-setup another google doc.If you are volunteering to upkeep it go ahead and create! Whomever was doing it for here, moved to AAN discord. Then just moved everything to the discord. But that kinda leaves here high n dry.
Im interested in running a table at a anime convention next year but ive legit never sold my art before. How can you tell if you are ready skill wise?
>>10850584just pyw here and people will tell you. it's anonymous and nobody will remember you, and you'll get honest opinions. and if you have enough of a follower base to actually get noticed using 4chan, then you can ride off that.
>>10850587nta but I'd like some feedback on my work. I feel like my work isn't cute enough or topically relevant or con-friendly. would something like this sell as a print?
>>10850749I personally would definitely consider buying a print in that art style, and I think a lot of others would as well
>>10850749it looks really good but it doesn't fit with my other stuff so i wouldn't buy a print
>>10850749if it's from a vg/anime/manga i'm into, i'd definitely but it, i dig the style
Has anyone heard of Rhode Island Anime Con? Apparently it's a branch off of the RI comic con. I've never had a booth before, so I was looking for a smaller con to start off, and they have artist and vendor space still open. They seem legit but it kind of looks like this is their first year as a con? https://www.rianimecon.com/
>>10850749Anon pls drop a link. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
>>10850749Good work anon, I’d buy it too!
why did this thread die?
>>10852272nonnas moved to discord, you can tell by the gutted OPfucking annoying considering discords hinge on 1 autist to not impulsively delete the entire thing, organization is shit, and it's so insular. may as well be linking to facebook DM groups.
>>10850773>>10850775>>10850929>>10851875>>10851877thanks for the feedback lads, I have this on inprint here: https://www.inprnt.com/gallery/holidaypine/leon/
>>10852280wheres the discord?
>>10850584I am that anon. something like this for characters.
I’m vending at a small con in my hometown this Saturday. It’s only one day, from 12-5 and at a high school.I mostly sell art prints, zines and offer commissions. How much stock should I bring? Would only 5 of each art print/zine be enough? I never know which items will be more popular than others, plus I make more money on art commissions anyway.I made zines of my Legend of Zelda inktober drawings which were pretty popular on social media, and with the new game just coming out, I’m wondering if this will be my hot item.
Anyone have any info on making/selling those fabric wall scrolls? Wanted to start with a small batch and see how the art looked and how it sold.
Non-artist here. What are the popular shows / media this year for artist merchandise? My guess is the following, but I really like going ham in AA so I want to make sure I cover all my bases with a pre-con watch.>Skip and Loafer>Hell's Paradise>Oshi no Ko>My Love Story w/ Yamada>Demon Slayer resurgence thanks to the new season.>Trigun
>>10856053Tokyo Mew Mew. It has an actively airing reboot although all of the merch I've seen so far has used the original designs, not that there's much of a difference. Not anime but Zelda stuff is already popping up. I have no idea how the fuck people get merch designed and manufactured but it's here.
>>10856053Honkai Star Rail.
>>10856409Can confirm that I will buy all March 7th merchandise I see
>>10856053Sailor Moon movie's about to come out, you'd appeal to both the oldfag fans and new blood by making some Sailor Moon stuff.
Where TF can I make these??I have designs ready for many shapes, but flight tai search word brings me almost nowhere I could produce them in good quality abd with English customer service! Where have you produced these embroidered flight tai keychains?
>>10856156>>10856512>TMM and Sailor MoonIf this is the case, I will be walking out of AA in severe credit card debt. What a time to be alive.>>10856409I didn't expect this one! I'll have to look into it.