I remember going to cons when I was in early college. I could always just hang out with people I just met. Sometimes I'd meet a cute girl and we'd go to a rave. Or, if I was in a group we'd all laugh and have a fun time. It always seemed like a new event or adventure to go to.Recently though, cons have been so depressing for me. I guess I lost a lot of my friends because they moved or just got busy with other life stuff. I tried going solo to a con recently and almost cried because it was the most isolating experience. Maybe I'm just getting older? Idk, the magic is certainly gone. There's a con coming up in my home town again and am thinking about just skipping it and stop going to cons. Maybe it's just a right of passage during people's lives. I'd compare it to how the internet was in the early 2000's to how the internet is today. The internet used to be a silly place to post memes and socialize on forums. Now it's a place to get TikTok famous.
I’m in my 30s and still go and cosplay, even solo. Just do it you fag, and let loose any reservations about socializing. You can talk to anyone about almost anything, things got much better for me since I adopted that attitude.
>>10792275Cons are so crowded now! It makes me really nervous, I used to have so much fun but now I don't even want to walk around other than to get to panel rooms and sit for a long time in the same one. Idk if I can go again
Incel detected. At AX I fucked like 4 guys.
>>10792275Show up in a beige trench coat and hat, smoke silently in the corner, and if someone asks you who you’re cosplaying say “Cosplay?”
>>10792275my first con was in 2005 and i can say it was the first place in my life i ever get normal, like i could talk to anyone about anything at any time. now it does feel like people are a bit more closed up and isolated. of course it is probably ive gotten older but i don't feel that magic anymore either. i'll still go purely because i like going but yea, it's not the same.
i never had a chance to go to cons when they were good :( i missed the golden age the silver age and i dont even wanna go to whatever cons are now :(
Cons were exciting back in the 00's because liking nerd shit was more niche than it is now, so meeting people who also like the same things as you was rare. Nowadays anime is pretty much everywhere and even normies keep up with it so anime conventions kinda lost their charm.
>>10792277this, unironically. also a 30 y/o Male in a professional career. Anime cons are one escape where I can dial back my behavior and "let go," if you know what I mean. It's liberating. Try socializing once in a while, you'll find it actually is quite stimulating.
>>10792280Cons are now full of normies who treat it like a halloween costume party. The sense of "these are my people" is mostly gone because it's not just subclass of nerds any more really. It's anyone with a netflix subscription who wants something to post on their tiktok.
>>10792791I pretty much agree, although I think it depends on the con you go to. If you go to something smaller or less popular (aka something that the social media obsessed will avoid because there's less shimmer and shine) I think you can recapture some of that magic. It's the cons that are heavily focused on "everyone take a picture of my giant ballgown or mecha suit cosplay with LED lights and glitter fabric and vacuum formed armor" that I think have become the less social, less fun ones.
>>10792791It was always a costume party newfag. There's still "your people" at cons, you just gotta find 'em among the normies. I'm in my 30's and they are basically the same as they've always been, just more shit The real issue is people going to these massive corporatized cons like AX and expect them to be a small niche group of friends. Don't fucking go to a giant circus of mainsstream garbage and expect anything but that.
>>10792275Came here just to make a thread like this. 2 years of lockdowns fucked up conventions pretty hard, followed by drastic changes in the social media and fandom landscape. Fandoms were always insane, but tiktok and tumblr weaponized them to the point that people stalk and try to destroy people's lives over fanart and shipping.. and they do it by setting up entire discord servers full of hundreds of people dedicated to tracking someone because they made the wrong two Genshin characters kiss.>>10792791This is something I noticed at the last few cons I went to, also. Every fucking cosplayer is either Demon Slayer or Genshin Impact, and their costumes are just bought off amazon. Then you talk to these people and they don't know anything else. Unless it blew up as a big meme on netflix, they aren't seeking out other anime. They aren't reading ANY manga, even though it's easier than ever to binge read damned near anything new or old.
>>10792684how do you do that i feel that when i am at cons i am scared of offending people or pissing off the wrong person so i try and be more proper
>>10794287Nobody is going to be offended from someone casually chatting to them
>>10794299Worst case scenario is that you end up talking with some autist with zero social skills at all.
>>10794299well i guess i dont want to inconvience them
>>10794306It's a social event, what the fuck do you think they're there for?
>>10794309to be with their friends
>don't wanna talk to any cute girls cuz I don't wanna come off as a creep>don't wanna talk to any guys because they're all probably annoying>end up just hanging out with one or two friends while in cosplay and maybe one person recognizes the obscure character I'm cosplaying and takes a pic, but that's itHow do I fix this? Is it okay to just approach anybody? How do I do it?
>>10794352i dont talk to cosplayers cause they will tell me to fuck off because i am not in cosplay just like you probably will
>>10794355Thing is that I usually AM in cosplay. So I'd like to take the opportunity to connect with people more.
>>10792275Yeah. It happens, that's life in general and applies to virtually everything if u think about it. In my early 30s now and go solo and it's pretty rough desu. I convince myself that I'm there to buy expensive merchandise (figurines) and racking up 2 grand worth of loot but in reality im just compensating for missing out on "weebing out" in my younger days. Now that I'm sort of older I also now have much more disposable income (I'm a CRNA medial professional and make 6 figures easily). Sometimes I also want people to take photos of my cosplay but it gets depressing when people don't take photos of my less popular cosplays and then when I cosplay as Mario or Harry Potter then the girls want a photo- shit like that gets me depressed for some reason lol. And when people compliment me or what I have, sometimes the conversation just ends there. I wish cons were much less uptight nowadays... or maybe its me.
>>10792550These days 95% of the dealer's room is shitty mainstream shounen anime, 4% whatever fad anime (Quintuplets, Rent a Girlfriend, Love Live) and 1% decent anime.It took me hours upon hours to find ANYTHING from Oreimo, im@s, or PreCure.
>>10794421Anime Cons in the early 00s were a necessity in that time. Getting merch or new volumes of a series you want to collect or discovering something new to watch or buying rare import games. There were no where else to find those things except anime cons. Cosplay was less common and everyone was always excited to see any cosplayers at all, even if it was some guy who built an entire gundam out of cardboard and duct tape.Now, anime is everywhere and accessible at all time. You can read entire series in high quality for free (and in some cases, even legally!) with zero effort. There's dozens of websites that handle preorders for the newest merch and figurines. Hell, you can order your favorite anime girl figurines on amazon these days. Cosplay is so mainstream that it stopped being a weird thing for supernerds to do and now it's a thing that everyone knows about and wants to do. >>10794423That's the other big problem. Most normies are just eating up whatever they are directly served. So, Hero Academia and Demon Slayer and whatever isekai anime is hot on crunchy roll right now are most of what you're going to see in between all the booths selling crappy swords and t-shirts.
Cons haven't changed, you guys are just getting older and realizing that stuff you did as a teenager hits different when you're in your 20s and 30s.
>>10794451Shit has very much changed, you're just too young to know it.
>>10794355This is the first year I've done cosplay, 90% handmade, and its a huge dopamine hit for anyone to come up and chat, riff or take photos. Why would I not want to know that something I made to be seen is being seen and appreciated?
>>10794502Getting to talk shop and commisserate with other cosplayers about con crunch and fucking up and then remaking some parts a dozen times is part of the fun of engaging with the cosplay community.
>>10794550Agreed. Having the "oh, I'm bad at zippers too haha" laughs with someone else is why cons are still fun.
>>10794553Having somebody compliment something I know perfectly well I fucked up gives me the sort of anxiety I've only known drawn artists to have.
>>10794560Just take the compliment and keep going, dude. It may be tempting to explain every way you fucked up, but you're looking at it from the perspective of someone who knows each and every fuckup that happened during the entire creation process. Everyone else gets to take in everything as a whole in just a few moments.
>>10794454I've been going to cons since 2002 retard.
>>10794561I suppose so. Still makes me want to run home and redo half of it. 8kkwt
I just got into going to cons and they're fun as hell. I went to one yesterday and made some friends and fucked a girl. I'm 31 now so I don't think it has anything to do with being old, I think you're just depresed
>>10792275You're slowly growing out of it.>>10792684This is the big saving grace of getting older, not having to room stuff with 8 other weebs because you're broke. Being able to afford a room by myself is a godsend. I don't miss them days of worrying about room costs, food and merch.
I thought it was the nostalgia talking, but I quantified it and cons where i am are just legitimately more shit now. Arcades, game rooms, activities, demonstrations, national competitions, a world championship, fuck even dodgeball a couple of times - all long gone. Literally just- make event- put zero effort in- maximize profits- give no fucks about moralsNow :/
I always thought about getting into managing conventions to "fix" all the shit people complain about but the market is so saturated and the initial cost pre ticket income is immense.
>>10794603Unfortunately, even cons that have really good managers still suffer from the incompetence of others. Sometimes "others" being people who aren't even staffing the con, but the people who work for the convention center or the city, etc
>>10794570Then don't lie. Cons are different in many meaningful ways.
>>10794502yeah but im not a cosplayer
>>10794666So does that mean you don't get to admire cosplays?
>>10794666Pretty sure the point was there's no reason to be afraid of talking to them because they like to be talked to, anon. The rare exception is the weirdo that's super up their own ass or a guest at a booth with a line that needs to keep moving, and those don't care as long as you keep it moving.
>>10794702>>10794670i think i have problems just letting loose at cons i am always stiff and more formal
>>10794793That sounds like autism
>>10794802Unironically. Pick a costume with a mask. It helps
>>10794449I was actually talking to a vender at AM, and he was bemoaning how weebs seemed to drop Love Live! as fast as they picked it up. They picked up a fuck ton of merch for it, only to have to sell it at a fairly steep discount for the next couple of years. I guess the gacha gambling addicts and the yurifags moved on to some other anime. Im@s fans may be significantly less than Love Live! fans, but at-least we've stuck to it and WILL buy things if we find them.You also have booths run by people like Senpai Squad and the like, which are little more than degenerate porn addicts more than actual anime fans. They have little respect for the characters they made badly drawn art of - making NSFW art to put on shit in public for little more than shock value. The kind of people who pick up and drop a series once the shock value wears off or it's no longer in top ten lists of most popular anime.And the fucking FBI or "men of culture" meme bullshit
>>10794570Now, that's how I know you're full of it.
>>10794814Yeah, it's unfortunate a lot of vendors choose to sell FotM because it's what sells, and the average anime fan has the attention span of ~1 year for every new series that catches the public perception. I wish more vendors would just sell merch of the things they like and not the things that are popular, cuz those are the vendors I'll consider buying stuff from the most.
>>10794815Not that anon but started at Otakon in 04 and knew people who went as early as 00. I think it’s pretty obvious these cons could organize more social functions for the weirdos looking for that kind of thing. I’m kinda over thinking that I’ll find my tribe or friends group at a con though.
>>10794850I get why they do it, because they need to make money and transporting all that merch from con to con, only to get price gouged several hundred bucks for a 5x5 booth space, is not cheap. I wonder how most of these vendors turn a profit when you consider how much work goes into their business, only to have the guy one table over selling all the same exact stuff and cheaper too.I just wish anime fans had a diverse set of interests besides hyperfocusing on one or two mediocre series and filling out the rest of their interest with "ironic" shitpost memes like ahegao shirts and hats that have the word HENTAI literally bolted on them. There's so much goddamned manga out there. Dozens of new anime every few months. There's new Toku and Super Sentai every season, too. Even the vtuber stuff is fine, if you ask me... But all you see is 50 Genshin Impact cosplayers for every other series.
>>10794862Helped out a vendor at this year's Matsuri and its rough for vendors that have to bring in stock from out of state. Thats presuming, obviously, that we're not just talking artist alley stuff. Moving enough stuff to sell the thousands of bucks it can take to break even is hard unless you're riding the wave or have an in with popular artists or brands.
>>10792275Been there. Went to a lot of sad conventions in 2012-2014, feeling alone.A lot of cons are only good with friends. Go to cons where there are lots of things to do and panels.It's pretty hard to approach people at cons at times, too, which doesn't help.
>>10794857I don't know any gulls who go to Worldcon (it's expensive as shit and really niche), but they do a LOT of hotel parties and I've had tons of fun at them. And they're all filled with nerds who wouldn't talk otherwise being social.
>>10794881Artist alley is different, because most artists are transporting one car-load of stuff, maybe a little more and AA tables are usually much cheaper than dealer's hall spaces. Vendors are usually showing up with giant vans crammed top-to-bottom with merch. God help them if they are having their inventory shipped between conventions.>>10794901If you want to socialize, you need to look for the right places to do it. No one is going to want to stop and chat it up with strangers while they're hunting through the dealer's hall for their waifu figures. They're not going to stop and talk to you in the bathroom or while they're on their way back to their hotel room... But if you're in line for a panel or doing a few back-to-back matches on some fighting game in the game room, you have a much higher chance of socializing successfully.
>>10794881That's the thing, though. The majority of vendors at cons these days are selling shounen shit or whatever flavour of seasonal or fad anime the weebs have their attentions on at that moment. There has to be a market for sell stuff from older franchises or anything outside of the mainstream. There were a couple of vendors specializing in older and harder to find merch. They were jam packed with people looking for stuff. Anf they had a smattering of newer shit for the weebs. It can be done.
I don't see the point of going to the vendor hall honestly. I get that items won't be as cheap as they are online since they need to make a profit but when it's all marked up 3x-4x the price it would cost me to buy AND ship it from japan... what's the point? I guess it's nice for the normies/retards who don't know how to shop online, which would explain why it's all FoTM- any fans of older shit know where to look for it. Artist alley is cool though, I love finding new artists to follow
>>10792275it's because of the meme virus and the gay pox
>>10794902Huh, nice. I guess I just bring up socializing or creating some attempt to connect people because a lot of what cons offer has moved online. I can just listen to a Youtube video or read a Mechademia article or follow a blog about this series or whatever rather than wait for panels at a con. Other than special guests, most of the activities offered at cons are no longer specific or exclusive to cons. A lot of people clearly like going to cons for numerous reasons, and that’s cool but there’s a reason why a lot of people leave and never come back after a while. Maybe they could work to change that but…eh.
>>10794951I've found some cool vintage shit in vendor halls/dealers rooms but it's only happened a handful of times. I wish there were more vendors selling weird obscure stuff, that's the only stuff I ever buy.
>>10794850>the average anime fan has the attention span of ~1 year for every new series that catches the public perceptionOr the average con goer being stuck in the past. My god, it’s 2022 and how does stuff like Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and Naruto still have presence in anime cons
it's literally just because everyone's on their phones in downtime. if you're lined up an some line, and you don't have a phone, just talk to people next to you. it's way too easy to just sit on your phone during the line and not talk to anyone.the only annoyance is if it's a massive group of people next to you, makes it pretty difficult to talk to them then.
>when you're a kid and your movement is restricted to your neighborhood it's easy to be friends with neighbor kids>when you're an adult and can travel the world in your rapevan and meet everyone and use apps to contact other van and rape enthusiasts you become severely isolated as everyone thinks you're trying to rape themModern society was a mistake.
>>10795196Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon are 3 decades old at this point so they're "safe" classics the way Lupin III and Astroboy are.Naruto though? No idea. I guess it'll probably reach that status someday? Same with One Piece, I'd imagine
>>10795196Dragon Ball has Dragon Ball Super and constant new movies and gamesSailor Moon still has movies coming outNaruto has Bort, which is an abomination, but it somehow moderately successful.One Piece is still going and has its most hyped movie yet coming out in a couple monthsBleach is coming backBerserk is continuingAll the old stuff hasn't really gone anywhere.
>>10792791>>10794194Reminder that many of these people are the same people that used to pick on you in school for liking weird japanese cartoons. Now that its mainstream, they're "cosplaying" their favorite character (that just happens to be the same character everyone else on twitter likes)
>>10792277>>10792684>>10794188>>10794421>>10794573Eyyyyyy! 30s club. Much in the same boat as these folk. Married so I'm not worried about chasing con tail. Got a big boy engineering job so money is nothing and a solid group of friends that like to con together. We get like 2 a year and its a pretty chill affair. The hype to get drunk every night is gone and replaced by the desire to be in a colorful atmosphere with good company. No drama, no screaming. Honestly it rules. Been applying more work to cosplays as well, never going to be pro but my props have grown significantly better.
>>10796129DINK life is great for cons
>>10792684depends on the consome cons are old school with a mix of underage attendees(usually with their parents that also have gone to cons), college age attendees, and 30 or older attendeesother cons are FULL of underage or even elementary children and everything is geared to the Naruto, bay-blade, and latest children's anime/Pokemon that yearwhile some are ONLY populated by 30 to retirement age attendeesas long as the con you go to isn't full of ONLY CHILDREN, you should be able to have a good time, try to mingle in the alcohol and ID area's if you need something to give you a "oh, hey there, remember G-Gundam? ACE OF SPADES!!!!" lines
Tbis thread is depressing af to read. Yall need to work on outcome independent attitudes, and leave egos at the door. Im 36 and still have a blast at cons. I have a core crew I usually hang with but a myriad of friends i’ve met along the years. You can meet all sorts of awesome people at cons still. Just remember what you enjoy about your fandoms and let yourself unapologetically gush over people you see sharing it. If they dont match your energy no worries. Bid them a good con and move on! Give yourself permission to join in on things that might normally embarrass you. You are in costume, you already have a degree of removal from your actual self.Let the Genshins enjoy their pretty skinner box waifu gambling sim. They let me enjoy my boomer anime and cape shit stuff! Everyone is there to have a good time. Just don’t let expectations get in your way.
I was going through that too. I struggled so hard at having fun at conventions, especially by myself. It reached a breaking point around 28. I walked into an ALA stand-up comedy panel, a couple drinks in, and every single person's routine who went up can be summarized as "HAHA US VIRGINS BRO" or "haha god i'm so sad I wanna kms", and these are grown men in their 20s/30s. I realized that I honestly just fucking hate everyone else who's into anime/manga. Can't stand a single one of these fuckers, along with tabletop gaming enjoyers. Now? I've got a friend group of very """vanilla""" folks who enjoy video games and have other interests but don't care for anime/manga/cosplay, but fuck me, they can actually talk about something other than their thinly-veiled porn addictions, and I couldn't be more grateful. I'm never going back to a con, ever. I don't even watch anime, anymore. The day I finally kick manga is the day I'll be free.
>>10794572cool doom costumei love doom
>>10799430Definitely a rush job but I'm working on a cleaner version. Definitely made approaching and cutting loose easier.
TLDR it's not just you
>>10799695It isn't just cosplay either.
>>10792284>At AX I fucked like 4 guys.t. Gay dude
>>10801013>gay announcing he's a slutYou repeat yourself.
Yeah growing up is a bitch
>>10798325im proud of you anon.
>>10795227Maybe this year I'll just leave my phone locked and force myself to participate in things at the cons I go to. I know I can do stuff if I have the motivation, but phones have made it easier than ever to just ignore people.
>>10792275Usually I just go and talk to whoever is immediately ahead of and behind me in line on the way in. Generally there ends up being an orb of a few of us as we discuss cosplays or anime stuff. It helps 100x if there is a girl because they're naturally more social and it'll invite more people in. If you meshed with anyone and they're alone, maybe try and see if they're checking out panels and stuff and hang beforehand and chat etc.
>>10792275>cons have been so depressing for mebc you are an old man attending cons. you are depressing to everybody
>>10798323>I have a core crew I usually hang with but a myriad of friends i’ve met along the years."Outcome independent attitudes" my dude, if all your friends ghosted you and stopped showing up to cons, you attitude would be in the shitter.
Even at Dragoncon a lot of folks were complaining that the vibe was off and that con skews towards older people. I guess people are too burnt out to even partake in cons and are just going through the motions.
>>10808403Nah, that wasn't it. 2021 skewed even older and didn't have any weird vibes. I think a lot of the issues came from new management at several of the hotels and poor line management. The marriott being scorching on an extremely hot/humid weekend didn't help matters either.
>>10808403People are really underselling what 2 years of lockdowns and "YOU WILL DIE IF SOMEONE SNEEZES IN THE SAME ZIP CODE AS YOU" fearmongering, immediately followed by political unrest and economic disaster will do to everyone. Even just the desire of wanting to go out but being seized by the cognitive dissonance of fearing public gatherings for too long will leave a permanent mental scar.Cons are fucked and won't last much longer at this rate.
>>10798323>They let me enjoy my boomer anime and cape shit stuff!What cons do you go to where you don't feel like you're looking for a needle in a haystack for anyone else who likes your boomer shooters and capeshit stuff?
>>10808492Cons are fine, they'll be around forever. You think Dragoncon is dying because it had a FUCK LOAD of people? You're a retard. >>10808475Has it right. Dragoncon was just off because the line management was really bad and the hotels were kind of fucking up this year. Otherwise it felt not a lot different from 2019. Dragoncon is always hit or miss for me dependent on what panels there are and the random roll of dice meeting people. >>10808393Get better friends.
Unironically: take half or one tab of MDMA.Wear some cosplay that allows you to constantly wear sunglasses and try to not go too hard on the bruxism or people will notice but it makes you hyper sociable and childlike.