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Old thread is hitting the image limit >>10715389


This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of Japanese lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. We usually just use "ouji" here.

>Shopping spreadsheet
This is broken, now. Can it be fixed?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):
https://stephano.me/blog/where-to-buy-ouji-fashion/

>Blogs for info
buttcape[.]blogspot[.]com
https://ouji-armoire.tumblr.com/tags
https://classical-alice.com/2018/03/09/%e7%9a%87%e5%ad%90%e3%83%bb%e7%8e%8b%e5%ad%90%e7%b3%bb%e3%83%ad%e3%83%aa%e3%82%a3%e3%82%bf%e3%83%95%e3%82%a1%e3%83%83%e3%82%b7%e3%83%a7%e3%83%b3%e3%81%ae%e7%89%b9%e5%be%b4%e3%81%a8%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/ (in Japanese)
https://www.zhihu.com/question/398686032 (in Chinese; tap "read more" for a nice rundown of taobao ouji brands, which begin below the "couple clothes" section.)


Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged.

Discussion: What exists for lolita fashion that its masculine counterparts lack? What do you wish we had?
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it was nice of Moitie to release a buttcape cardigan for us
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and then AatP gave us a Hawaiian shirt
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meanwhile, Miho Matsuda continues to rot in a creative black hole
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while Royal Princess Alice continues to milk their hit ouji bone release by seeing how many variations on the theme they can crank out
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>>10790305
(the original is better)
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AatP also released a sailor set, which did nothing to make up for their recent sins against ouji fashion. the Hawaiian shirt, after that baby onesie, puts AatP's status as key tastemaker for ouji in serious jeopardy.
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Always wonder is there some appropriate way to wear EGA when you're kinda big manly man with beard or whatever.
Ofc there's no brand clothes for this bodytype, but I'm ready to sew something, just need some direction, I think
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>>10790302
Miho Matsuda's quality is such trash. Honestly taobao tier
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>>10793242
EGA, like lolita, uses a clean-shaven face by default. however, you do not need to let that stop you. if you keep the spirit of vampiric goth-glam inherent to EGA, beards can work.

as for size, a lot of people make the mistake when going off-brand of neglecting the finer points of the fashion, which makes them indistinguishable from goths or steampunks. EGA uses fabrics of a higher quality than what mens goth wear usually provides, and is more liberal with the amount of cloth used for draping and layering. wide-leg pants are frequently worn, as are overskirts! ignoring such aspects tends to make DIY EGA look unremarkably similar to western goth or neovictorian fashion.
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finally, new AatP
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>>10793262
ega is just japanese neo-victorian. all the shit you said is retarded.
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>>10793242
fanplusfriend makes ouji-appropriate stuff with custom sizing. They have the remarkable ability to make most of their products look cringe by hiring traditionally styled, conventionally handsome western men to model, when the look really requires a touch of alt-makeup and hair styling. Your beard/hair needs to look somewhat groomed and ideally you have some eyeliner and the most basic coverup to even out your complexion. If the clothes are so over the top and out-there - same with lolita - you need to commit or else you're putting lipstick on a pig
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>>10796219
>f+f
omg stop
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>>10796231
What's wrong with them?
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>>10796185
gull do you even Moitie
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>>10796231
>>10796252

it's the best option for larger ouji that cannot make or commission their own clothing. it sucks, but that is as good as it gets.
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>>10796185
what the western comm calls EGA the japanese call ouji, or "classical goth" or "classical european".

the west uses EGA as shorthand to mean "ouji that won't make my boyfriend feel gay." it's part of a legacy of bad info. using it outside of its visual-kei-like context should be discarded along with relics like "kodona" and "dandy" in this community.

if you do not look like an extravagant vampire, you are not doing EGA.
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>>10796315
EGA is also not limited to victorianesque style
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>>10796317
casual EGA
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>>10796317
>>10796315
You're incorrect.
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ouji
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>>10796320
>source: my imagination
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EGA
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>>10796325
this isn't ouji you faggot.
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>>10796315
Not this guy again. Please fuck off.
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>>10796310
ugly men who can't fit brand shouldn't be wearing the style.
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>>10796329
>>10796325
>>10796318
>>10796317
>>10796315
Reminder that this is a man who thinks he knows anything about japanese goth fashion for men, despite knowing nothing.
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>>10796334
it is, according to the wearer and to KERA
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you can follow @yorurunrunrun on twitter to see someone who wears both EGA and ouji (and sometimes lolita). her moitie wardrobe is huge!
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>>10796340
it's an image board, you can post counter examples if you want to convince anyone
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>>10796341
>>10796345
He's obsessed with "proof" despite using decades old magazine spreads as his only form of proof himself. kek.
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>>10796341
ouji isn't this, and if it was, it's not anymore. fashion evolves and you're using outdated examples from dead magazines.
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>>10796364
nta ive been hearing this kind of thing a lot like lolita has changed and this isnt it anymore. like what, it has expanded, it has evolved and mutated new limbs, but the vestigial ones are still there, oldschool ouji doesnt look remotely like the new shit but they're all still ouji
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>>10796366
yes

>>10796364
the kera example is recent: http://kerastyle.jp/snap/26241

even Boz staff called such coords "ouji".

the only change occurred outside of japan, as the western and chinese comms decided to limit ouji to a cute and more feminine style.
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>>10796360
thank you for keeping the thread active, but everyone can see that your statements are false. i think you can come up with a better argument if you try.
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>>10796369
>western and chinese comms decided to limit ouji to a cute and more feminine style.
I've always thought that it just looks like lolita with pants.. in some cases, it's literally just a lolita coord with bloomers and no skirt. I know the 'little prince' motif has been around since the beginning but it's weird to me that no term has come up to distinguish the two. I've heard it called shota style, which is not great given the connotations alongside lolita already, and I've heard people call it kodona, specifically, but that just ain't right
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>>10793242
What aestethic you are going for exactly? Can you share us some reference pics?
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>>10796377
it is, anon is just an idiot who thinks he knows it all.
>>10796381
leave.
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>>10796377
Ouji literally means little prince. Everything you're saying are the distinguishing factors. EGA is the more mature version. It's as if tag abuse had always been a thing, even in magazines.
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>>10796369
Oh I get it now, you don't understand Japanese. Calling something x style, doesn't mean it's a specific substyle. Ouji lolita is a specific substyle of lolita, not a styling.
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>>10796310
I was thinking about buying their stuff for a long time, is the quality really bad?

I've found brando I can fit at this point anyway so it's not a big loss, I'm glad I can know to avoid it.
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>>10796407
f+f is cosplay quality at best. badly tailored, poorly fitted and ugly designs. and don't even think about getting custom sizing.
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>>10796411
Well I'm glad I don't need it then
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>>10796377
>I've always thought that it just looks like lolita with pants
"feminine ouji" could maybe be understood as "lolita with pants." however, ouji in general is the masculine counterpart to lolita. it can be mature or youthful. the Classical Alice link in the OP has a bit to say about this.

>>10796392
>little prince
why add the "little"?

also, "tag abuse" is a bit silly of a counter-argument for a snap that has no such thing occurring.

the fact is that EGA has only ever been used to mean "mature ouji" outside of Japan. in fact, EGA emerged later than ouji, and it is a style developed and defined by Mana. in Japan, people who use it to describe their coords are usually fans of Mana or Moitie specifically.

you could argue that using EGA for ouji makes as much sense as using EGL for general lolita. using EGL like that is something the western comm has done for a long time, even on this board. so, you could argue that using EGA for "mature ouji coords" is as valid as referring to "the EGL community" is. you could argue that it's silly to nitpick at vocab used outside of Japan by people who are not Japanese.

but that isn't what people who think "mature ouji = EGA" are arguing. they are arguing that Japanese people don't call a coord like >>10796325
"ouji" despite it being an easily and repeatably observable fact that they do.

meanwhile, the real problem remains: there are no good brand options for ouji who are not the size of a slender japanese person. the market is not profitable enough. so you have to be creative if you want to wear "masculine lolita", regardless of what label you call attach to your style. and, if you do choose to use "ouji," you have a better chance of connecting with like-minded people around the world, and you have a good chance of finding people in Japan who wear the kind of clothes you like.
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What is the quality like on Punk Rave? I like some of their pants
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>>10796504
goth club quality
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>>10796598
Do you mean that in a bad way? Lots of different kinds of people go to the clubs...
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>>10796479
Anon, you literally are making shit up. Stop demanding everyone cite sources and when your sources are just one off webzine snaps. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Also, ouji means young prince, there are different words in Japanese for prince. You seem really ignorant.
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>>10796504
quality is kind of a meme at this point desu. these aren't designer fashions, cotton can only be so good, construction only matters so much, it's more about how you wash them. if you like the design just don't throw it in the dryer to fade and fray.
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>>10796624
go home, anon, you're drunk
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>>10796621
they are good for swaying in place or stepping in small, rhythmic circles
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>>10796657
Pog
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god this thread is terrible whenever men are in it.
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>>10796711
Then go to the lolita thread roastie, this a men's style
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>>10796711
seethe nonny
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>>10796624
I've never heard that it specifies youth, I think that's just confusion with the title of the translation of the little prince, or with ji=kid and O=honorific.. but oji isn't honorable kid, like you might call a child prince, it's a middle aged man/uncle

I didn't dig much but read that ouji has been applied to men into their 20s, the example cited being a handsome figure skater that was dubbed the ice prince, and some posts saying that it was sometimes used similarly to ikemen for stylish young men
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>>10796724
you're confusing slang with historical context
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lord, help this thread find peace
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Japanese speaking anons, can you translate this at least through the tiers that lead to ouji?
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>>10796736
it basically says
>sticks to quality clothes, even if they're expensive. spending more makes you more productive at work!
yes
>loves girlish cuteness
no
>attracted to the dark, ominous or demonic and finds it beautiful
yes
>wants to be a prince more than a princess
yes
>ouji mawari
mawari is used to mean centered or leaning, as in your style is prince centered.
it also has a list of specific types of lolita if you want that translated.
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>>10796834
That would be amazing, thank you.
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>>10796736
the two sections are
lolita fashion and NOT lolita fashion. i will write the romanization in brackets.
for the lolita section
>sweet lolita[amarori]
>classic lolita[kurarori]
>deco lolita[dekorori]
>japanese style lolita [warori]
>clolita(chinese lolita)[chirori]
>ouji/prince lolita[oujirori]
>casual lolita[kajirori]
>lolita punk[roripan]
>hime/princess lolita(hime gyaru)[himerori]

for the NOT lolita section
>gothic[goshikku]
>steampunk[suchiimupanku]
>fetish/bondage[fetisshu]
>girly style[ga-ri-]
>dreamy cute[yumekawa]

gothic lolita isn't mentioned because up until as late the mid 2010s gothic lolita was a subset of gothic fashion and was under the gothic umbrella rather than the lolita umbrella.
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>>10796846
Thank you. Actually, I misunderstood. I thought you were generously offering to translate the whole thing. I can see "gosurori" together with "gothic" on the chart, and it's bolded like all the other lolita subtypes. I was wondering why it is on the chart but not on the list. I think it's the only thing in the flowchart that was left off the list.
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>>10796846
clolita is not the same thing as qilolita, anon
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>>10797200
Oh my bad. I can do that. Gimme a bit and I will.
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There is a big delay for some of Boz's items due to a fire at a production fcatory.
>Giulietta OP (Black x White)
>Clarissa OP (Black x White)
>Roland JK (Black, White)
>Long Roland JK (Black, White)
The Roland's have been delayed till approximately November, so Boz is accepting cancellations for them.

>https://twitter.com/atelierboz/status/1559011830215081984
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>>10799099
damn, thanks for the update
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>>10799099
where do you even order from them anymore?
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>>10799340
they run a new company called alpstola, where they are still releasing previous atelier boz designs: https://alpstola.theshop.jp/

they also occasionally sell items on choice closet: https://choicecloset.kawaiishop.jp/
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>>10799389
ahh that's it. i couldn't remember the name and searching atelier boz all over the place is just dead pages, even their social media accounts have been deleted instead of redirecting to the new store
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Guardian of Darkness~Spooky night~
Comes in red and black, what do we think boys?
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>>10800715
looks pretty good, what are the chances of the fabric quality being pleasant and not costume tier?
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new mens long gilet
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RPA is releasing a lot of ouji & oujiable items this year
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>>10802125
leave.
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>>10802143
RPA can't hurt you
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>>10802477
Fuck off Felix.
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>>10802477
hideous, you should spoiler jumpscares like this
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can anyone who got this confirm whether it looks like pajamas irl
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>>10802701
ugly as sin
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So I want to make a classic Roland jacket, do any of you know where I can get flat sketches or blueprints, thanks
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>>10802729
I got it, it's not like pajamas at all, its a very nice asymmetrical dress shirt. It's not a shiny material like pajama, it's a matte texture like other dress shirts.
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Anyone have recommendations for a good seller of canes?
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>>10804624
https://www.gilliscanes.com/
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>>10804681
Very elegant and Christian owned, thanks anon
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>>10796338
>ugly men

By "ugly men" you mean anyone who is not anorectic and over 5 feet tall?
I have bad news for you - ouji is not your private fetish.
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>>10793242
>Always wonder is there some appropriate way to wear EGA when you're kinda big manly man with beard or whatever.
>Ofc there's no brand clothes for this bodytype, but I'm ready to sew something, just need some direction, I think

Bro, if you want to wear neo victorian clothing just fucking do it. You can even have beard long to the ground or moustaches so long you can use them as scarf.

There been neo-victorian fashion wearing people in European alt fashion comunity years before anyone of them ever heard about japanese EGA. Heck, we can say that it was the '80s neovictorian fashion of Europe?USA that inspired Japanese folks in the 1st place as Neovictorian started to be a big trend among for example gothic rock fans around the mid 80's and as we know Mana was strongly inspired by gothic rock music and fashion as you can clearly hear gothic rock influences on Malice Mizer demo tape.
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>>10796185
>>10796315
Basically Neo Victorian with vampiric twist. As expected from a tren that has roots in Western Gothic Rock related fashion of the '80s.

>>10796326
There are many hilarious misconceptions about EGA and EGL that originated in the west that would cause Japanese folks to cringe when introduced to them.
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>>10805366
And many more examples. And yes, there are examples of goths from the '80s who do were wearing Neo Victorian and sporting facial hair.
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>>10796317
What you posted in the picture still fits within inspiration of Victorian era fashion, just look at military uniforms of the era. Both Japanese EG and Western Neovictorian are not literal cosplay of Victorian era. Most Victorians would get heart attack seeing people wearing EG/Neovictorian and men wearing femmine clothing would be among the last reasons they would see.
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>>10805365
>Basically Neo Victorian with vampiric twist
& with a freer silhouette. much less starching.
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EGA is great if you need to switch from below to above decks really quick
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>>10805389
or the other way around
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>>10805398
>>10805389
stop being cringe.
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>>10805426
don't mock my on-topic and relevant expertise
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>>10805429
don't sound like a faggot then.
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hope everyone itt who needs it got Therapy this week!
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fall mini inspo dump: optional jacket edition
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>>10805486
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>>10805487
fin
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>>10805470
I definitely would need therapy if these brands would not stop producing prints
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>>10805487
girl belongs in the ita thread.
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>>10805358
I mean, it is private in the sense that if you can't fit into brand, you're not a part of it. We don't have to do any gatekeeping, your fat body does that for you.
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>>10805509
>looking at the girl
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>>10805652
Fat? That model probably has lower body fat than you.
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>>10805678
Are you new to /cgl/ and are not aware that 90 percent of posters in lolita threads are sexually frustrated lesbian femcels that feel raped merely by staring at a male?
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>>10805678
they're both girls, anon kek.
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AatP going back to basics
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>>10806539
these look unflatteringly oversized, but I they look a lot more wearable than some of the recent stuff
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also
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Shota fashion :O
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HERHUM Albert series

matching blacks is too much to ask
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>>10805036
fucking yikes dude, way to ruin it
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>>10807632
Are you suggesting that grown up womens are getting sexual pleasure from dressing like lil boys?
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>>10809794
Not sure what you mean, sorry
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what's your halloween plan, /ouG/?
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>>10811073
wear pretty much any aatp since its all a costume
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>>10811077
groundbreaking
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what the fuck can I even wear that looks good on a shredded body?
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>>10811345
lif you have time to lift, you have time to sew. just do it.
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>>10811345
>>10811649
ugly gorrila men don't belong in this fashion. kys.
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If I'm flat chested, is my only option for shirts and vests from brands that put out a men's line (or to sew my own)? I really do mean flat here. Flat like a boy flat. Anything with bust darts or princess seams is just going to have awkward dead space in the chest
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>>10811665
probably
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>>10811665
Depends on your overall measurements I'd say. I'm male with a 89cm bust and own blouses and vests from various brands, I don't feel like there's any weird fit at the chest. You can still cover it with a vest, jabot or bigger neckbow.
Try men's designs if you want, but they're usually basically an XL version of the women's, you may have more trouble finding something that fits.
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>>10811345
Pretty much anything Victorian era military?

>>10811653
Did you take your meds before posting that?
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Where on earth do I find pants for EGA when I need a 36 inch inseam? I'm too tall for Japanese brands (both womenswear and menswear, the longest inseam I usually can get with those is 32) and the pants that do fit me are painfully normie or hot topic garbage. I even have trouble finding pants that fit from normie western brands. My waist is also 28 too which makes finding that long of an inseam even harder.
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>>10813077
Show us what pants you got in mind, lmao. Pants is broad fucking term even in male resort.
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For those of us who were still awaiting our BOZ/Alpstola reservations, esp. for the roland jackets, mine made it to me today (America). I had emailed them just a few days ago asking what the update was since they had all the issues w/ the fire and what not. Jacket was well packed, soft, and they gave a ton of free snacks.
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How to achieve male beauty? It seems very binary, all of the people posted in this thread either or are or not beautiful but I'm unable to pinpoint the characteristics that differentiate them so that I can apply it myself.
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>>10813686
be skinny. muscles are disgusting, especially in this fashion. you want to be as androgynous as possible with masculine jaw and features.
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>>10813687
Down is come to genetics solely for face? I definitely look in the mirror and see the half of the people in the pictures that I would categorize as not being beautiful such as:
>>10805486
>>10805478
>>10805366


opposed to:
>>10807395
>>10811073
>>10805492
>>10805474
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>>10813691
i think so. have a soft yet masculine face is rare, but if you look at the pics you posted for the attractive set, it's the main difference.
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>>10813691
>>10813695

>comparing male faces to female and being surprised they differ

I knew that typical dwellers here are not your average Jewish physicist level IQ, but bruh...
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>>10813671
Got mine today, love the jacket, no snacks though. Also they wrote 'Aterier BOZ' on the tag, is it also the case for others ?
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>>10813691
every one you called beautiful is a woman with photo processing
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>>10813686
>How to achieve male beauty?
use makeup, hydrate, take care of your hair, be fit (not /fit/). confidence, kindness, and joy make a big difference even if your genetics or age do not give you a good base to work from. also do not underestimate the power of a good camera lens.
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>>10814152
when brands use male models, they use makeup and wigs as much as they use them for female models. the makeup thread can help you more with manly makeup. you probably cannot skip it and expect a "beautiful" result.
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>>10814152
>>10814154
Makeup seems to be the missing piece here. I don't use makeup despite doing everything else and always assumed it'd look clownish on a man, but that's my naivety speaking. Thanks for the direction.
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>>10813135
Full length pants in the classic high waisted wide-legged aristo style. Not something cropped. Sometimes I can get away with a 34" inseam if the material is softer and I only wear flat shoes. Pic related is a pair of atelier boz pants I fell in love with on a secondhand site only to realize that at a 31" inseam they would look like capris on me. These are men's sized too, women's sizing is usually about a 28" or 29" inseam for japanese brands
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>>10814156
every attractive male you've ever seen on tv or commercials, movies and magazines, has a skin care routine and personal hair/makeup artist touching them up before the camera goes on. very average men can look great with some subtle makeup and skincare. the examples you list though, are unfiltered pictures of men vs filtered pictures of women.. so.. you might also be looking for a hormone replacement treatment.


>>10814158
you pretty much have to rely on custom sizing from taobao or something. you might be able to find cool designer stuff with some of those proportions as well, but jfashion is cheap in comparison.
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>>10814158
Stuff this basic could be sewn by order by pretty much anyone.
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>>10815231
plus you can as well just go with more old fashioned suit pants, like these from decades where waist was still high.
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>>10815267
it kills me that 90% of boz/bpn/aatp stuff is absurdly low waisted to the point that a lot of blouses are too short too even tuck into them.. and then I realize that a lot of them are so plain anyways, the blouses are meant to be worn untucked, which looks sloppy, or worse, they were made to be worn with a BPN crop top or something with exposed tummy because the early 2000s were a wild time and teru and the designers never fully left them behind
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>>10815869
you sound too tall and retarded for this fashion.
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>>10815869
yes, Japan is permanent early '00s in resort of alt fashion. Their designers stopped evolving in their mid 20s early 30s back then. Plus Japan always had mindset of fetishization of repetitiveness - they call it "perfecting the craft". You would probably need to use pieces of regular vintage/retro formal fashion or generic "dark alternative" brands from Europe. Queen of Darkness, Banned, Zoelibat etc for example. Plus custom orders from seamster/seamstress.

>>10815873
Not everyone is 5 feet tall max
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>>10816049
>>10815869
Please kys back to /fa/. Ouji and EGA have nothing to do with western goth. It sounds like you /fa/ggots are confusing them with victorian goth.
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>>10816091
>Ouji and EGA have nothing to do with western goth.

Mail Mana himself if you don't believe there is a link. Your life will fall apart and your illusonary world will shatter after receiving answer.

Why is this board so full of retards that believe in lies about Japanese fashion they created themselves? They even go so far they are denying what Japanese pioneers of these fashion styles write about. Imagine having such an audacity and acting surprised they are being treated like retards.
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>>10816237
There being a link doesn't mean the fashions are interchangeable, retard. You realize you're saying that steampunk is goth now since they're linked. Imagine writing something so stupid and acting surprised you're being treated like a retard.
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>>10816260
No one except for you claims these fashions are interchangeable, you genius of room temperature IQ. Imagine writing something so stupid and acting surprised you're being treated like a retard.
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>>10816270
>suggests buying western goth
>gets called out
>i-i never did that!!!
men have ruined this thread.
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>>10796624
damn anon, I hate the "cite your sources" meme too, but you really aren't helping by just saying "nope not it." all the time.

>>10796711
>goes into a men's fashion thread
>gets mad when men are in it
kys

>>10805362
absolutely, the western equivalent to this has been around in the music scene for a long time.

>>10805486
Bramstroker core. Love it.
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>>10816308
kill yourself
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>>10816308
>"men's fashion" thread
nope, ouji is made mostly for women. this is why it doesn't fit you.
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>>10816308
>absolutely, the western equivalent to this has been around in the music scene for a long time.

True. In the West™ full blown fashion for (neo) Victoria wardrobe get popular around the late '60s. It get's sometimes referred as "Witchy Fashion" in case of female fashion. Dunno if male half of that ever get any nickname. It was a mishmash of victorian with ethnic European and Asian elements. This is more or less how fashion for wearing a lot of jewellery (typical for various regions of the Carpathians in Europe, Northern Africa, many parts of Asia) entered the mainstream. Add to that interest in occultism and non abrahamic religions that also get pretty popular back then and we pretty much can point that time period as the common denominator for what came later in shape of various "dark alternative fashion styles". Before that time dark Victorian fashion after Victorian era was mostly seen in theaters and cinema rather than "in the streets". Tho Victorian inspirations could be seen in fashion magazines back in the '50s but their audience was very limited compared to what came later. Vampira was kinda a harbinger of victorian comeback tho it was mostly the furniture of the set than her dresses that was close to Victorian, tho her (or rather Morticia Addams' whose desing her character was a rip off) torn sleeves could be interpreted as a nod to victorian dresses. By the '80s neovictorian (tho in bright colours) was worn even by more fashionable normies.
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>>10816287
You are confusing things. What you reffer as "Western goth" are just brands that produce dark alternative fashion, among others influenced by victorian. Goth is music. Not fashion. Unlike EGA/EGL/Ouji that are fashion. In Goth some fans wear victorian inspired wardrobe, some look like generic punks just in darker color palettes, other just wear dark casual clothing, other don't give a fuck what they wear and dress normie All of them are goths if they listen to goth music. There is no "goth standard of fashion" per se. As for buying pieces from outside of the Japan of fucking course you can do that and many of these pieces would fit Japanese neovictorian designs. They share common inspirations after all. I have no idea what kind of mental acrobatics is undergoing inside your brain you are unable to realize that basic facts. Were you dropped on the floor accidentally short after your birth? That would explain your brain damage. Just going to official online shop of for example moi meme moitie https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/collections/moi-meme-moitie and browsing it reveals a lot of pieces that could be find in european labels. Major differences for shopping in euro labels is that they come in sizes that actually fit Europeans. If you are not legally blind you also have a huge chance of noticing that there is a lot of similarities in designs that do not come from victorian era. Why? Because both sides get inspired by each other too even nowadays.

Also FFS, Mana himself wears fucking Demonia shoes recently (picrel). Which only points out how deeply lost in your own imaginary world you are.

I'm sorry to shatter your echo chamber of voices in your head, but you sound like you need a really extensive therapy.
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>>10816395
>Goth is music. Not fashion.
leave. goth evolved past music long ago. the subtypes of goth are more than just trad.

you are lecturing in the wrong place, with a lot of unimportant info that we do not care about.
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>>10816380
>ouji is made mostly for women. this is why it doesn't fit you.
it hurts because it is true.

we call it masculine fashion, not mens. the majority of brands make and market to women. even male japanese ouji can have awkward fits when they put together brand coords, especially in the torso.
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>>10816971
japanese ouji men also have trouble with their legs, but that is a problem women often have with short shorts, too
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>>10816970
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>>10816970
>subtypes of goth
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why does ugly branding have to ruin otherwise good designs
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>>10818893
>implying harlequin tights will ever be good
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>>10816970
Goth anon is correct, it's about the music- that's literally where part of the fashion was born from, without it where would the "trad-goth" hairstyle Mana-sama has come from? The other part is obviously from gothic/aristocratic inspo/victorian era. The history behind these things is important to a lot of us Karen.
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do you wear burando coats or are you a broke ass motherfucker?
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>>10796340
Why are you insulting Mana Sama?
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>>10820771
This is literally regular military style coat plus like 4 buckles added on top of it. Even your grandma can DIY that shit.
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>>10821045
broke-ass bitch confirmed
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>>10816305
God I want this SO BADLY
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>>10821044
>telling one retarded man itt he's retarded means you hate mana
no.
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Fuck me, I'm too fat for this shit.
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>>10822197
get fit and get frilly
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new Baby/AatP fashion show coming up, with at least 2 ouji models confirmed. what do you hope to see?
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>>10824882
something that feels like 2012 - 2016 era,i know i shouldnt hold my breath but an ouji can dream.

Basic accessories would be ideal; i.e. neck pieces, hats, capes.
printed vests would be the absolute dream though
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>>10825017
>hats
not mini-hats, either. full size hats pls.
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>>10824882
it's the goddamn Year of the Rabbit. there better be a new bunny ouji release or AatP has officially died inside.

rabbit ear hats, clock bags, puffy shorts with cottontails. it's time to return to form, AatP!
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rabbit season
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is it oujiable?
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>>10834228
that's a very hard no
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how much will the hair accessory cost? ¥20,000?
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who's getting the new Professor Roland jacket?
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>>10835278
The grey's lovely, even if it doesn't fit into my particular wardrobe. I hope one day they do another release of one of the cotton or wool Rolands (in the past they've done velveteen, corduroy, wool blend). I'd love to have one that's not poly.
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>>10835278
not me. they need to make new designs or they'll get killed by taobao. brand loyalty only goes so far.
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What was Atelier Boz renamed as? It's like Aplesto or something. But I can't remember what it is actually called. Can someone help a nonny out <3
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>>10835414
no idea
if founders have social media - checck them out for clues
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>>10835414
Alpstola
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>>10835414
it's still atelier boz on social media, sold via alpstola
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>>10836017
new moitie >>>>>>>> new aatp
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>>10836842
MmM could never
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>>10836842
New moitie is trash quality but ok. Have you not touched any of their post wunderwelt stuff? It’s really bad anon. Aatp has their own issues for sure, but they still at least pretend to give a shit about quality.
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>>10837891
It's quite literally not trash quality, it's very sturdy and comfortable
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>>10837902
is it making you feel a sense of dread for the future of aatp, or just disappointment at their lack of creative vision?
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>>10838196
Tell me you never owned any Moitie without telling me you never owned any Moitie
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>>10838280
that colorway, though

cmon
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>year of the rabbit
>no white rabbit re-release
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>>10838280
i second this, the punk in me quivered
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What happened to the indie ouji brands like Ikemen Mode?
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>>10839536
>What happened to the indie ouji brands
There are non-indie brands?
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>>10839536
Im pretty sure Ikemen Mode retired, the last post I saw said something of a haitus. desu they are both elders and I hope they are having a happy and chill time
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>>10839536
>>10839601
Last news on page is from May 2019. Items listed there as not sold out can be bought in various sub 10 pieces amounts depending on size.
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if youre a fan of this style is it common to actually dress this way in the west? even if its just an indoor or hobby thing?
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>>10840752
>is it common
the thread is almost 8 months old my gull
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best aatp in years
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>>10840752
In Europe it's much more rare than even people dressing so called "tradgoth" in everyday life. I would not be surprised if you would have under 20 people total on whole continent who actually do dress ouji .
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>>10838294
I almost exclusively own men's Moitie in terms of my ega wardrobe. It's of very high quality. I can't speak on Moitie women's clothing but this is a men's thread
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>>10838294
>Tell me you can only communicate with stupid TikTok catchphrases without telling me you you can only communicate with stupid TikTok catchphrases
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>>10841126
>this is a men's thread
Youre insane if you think that is a fact
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>>10844245
Nayrt but ouji is technically "menswear" in that it's a masculine style. Still, it comes in both men's and women's cuts from some brands.
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>>10841126
The main customer base for ouji from Japanese brands is female. Except for some pieces (which are specifically marked as "men's") ouji stuff from aatp and meta is patterned using the same size ref as they use for their dresses, which is a Japanese women's size M.
That means this thread isn't just for men.

I don't know how it works for EGA though, I hope there's more options made for men.
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>>10844279
It's the demographic it was intended for that determines if it's women's wear or men's wear, not whether you consider it a masculine style or not.
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Why do foids get so intensely triggered when an actual guy and not an ugly crossdresser wears ouji/EGA fashion? Literally killing off the point of the thread.
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>>10844280
>I don't know how it works for EGA though, I hope there's more options made for men.
it's one of the things that defines the EGA brand for Moitie, it comes in men's and women's sizes.

gothic & ouji brands that have men's sizing are rarer than ones that don't. everyone knows this. bait comment was bait, gulls.
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>>10844279
>ouji is technically "menswear"
no it's not.
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>>10844311
EGA and ouji aren't related, and neither are explicitly for men, actually quite the contrary in that men's versions for both those styles are distinctively an afterthought. Ouji especially shouldn't go ITT, since it's the tomboy equivalent of lolita, which you would know if you understood anything about Japanese street fashion. EGA is meant to be unisex, which is why historically EGA brands offered either one size or both men and women's sizes for the same exact item. Either way, men with piss poor attitudes like yours aren't welcome ITT to begin with.
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>>10844347
>Either way, men with piss poor attitudes like yours aren't welcome ITT to begin with.
>i just roasted this moid haha get fucked cry more with ur "piss poor attitude" xD
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>>10844245
Yeah you're right, it's a dike and ftm thread. Men don't actually wear this shit.
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>>10844353
imagine being such a faggot you get triggered by women telling you to fuck off.
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for as long as lolita has existed, people have tried to make masculine versions. they have used different names and aesthetics since the beginning, but the idea is the same: a masculine counterpart to lolita. this thread is for the fashions that fall under that umbrella, and has always been that way, for any gender and any label.
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>>10844431
even Novala's idiosyncratic "B-lolita" (boy lolita) can fall under the umbrella of this thread
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>>10844433
although it never caught on as a "term" (can't imagine why)
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>>10844441
end oldschool minidump
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>>10844435
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>>10844429
i want every faggit autist who does this shit to off themselves.
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>>10844429
>any
either.
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>>10844442
thank you this was a blessing
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>>10844442
To think that it went from this to "sweet" puke inducing prints.
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>>10845521
>puke inducing prints.
who is making ouji prints?
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>>10844311
Men aren't the point of the thread, it's a unisex style with a heavy lean towards female bodies. There are almost no men in the fashion that look any good, they style poorly, don't take care of their skin, won't wear makeup, and end up looking like adult men in ill-fitting kuroshitsuji cosplays or a bad larp. It feels like most of them are just trying to infiltrate a female space because if they actually cared about fashion they would be able to recognize how poorly the style suits them. Posting Robbie here doesn't really help your point.


>>10844347
Didn't EGA and EGL branch off from the same point? They seem obviously related, and while Moitie and Boz are more EGA leaning, AatP is probably the most prominent ouji brand and has offered men's sizes for ages. I do agree that ouji is just lolita with pants, though.

>>10844440
>>10844441
Excluding Novala who has some AGP thing going on, these appear to be the only men and outfits that aren't going for androgyny. As an example of the boundary between EGA and the spectrum of Ouji, I really love >>10844441 because it feels like EGA at a glance but the 'sweet' quality of the ribbon brooch and bubble toe shoes give it a more playful vibe that pushes it towards EGL to me, versus >>10844442 which despite being distinctly feminine, is sharp and clean with tones down accessories and comparatively no-nonsense shoes; the first feels punk, and the second is purely goth.
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>>10845744
>Didn't EGA and EGL branch off from the same point?
re-read what i said EGA and OUJI aren't related. EGA existed before EGL, EGL is based on EGA and ouji came way after lolita was already more similar to what it is now that to early EGL.
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>>10845749
so youre saying theyre related
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Yo, anyone seen the latest aatp release? It's err....
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>>10845791
no.
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>>10845796
I can't decide how I feel about it. I think I hate it. Maybe in a less "set" way with just the jacket, hat, or pants, paired with other things that are NOT that tartan, it would look better?
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>>10845796
cute
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it's great
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>>10845744
>It feels like most of them are just trying to infiltrate a female space because if they actually cared about fashion they would be able to recognize how poorly the style suits them.
autism desu, same as with lolita. there may be some ouji creeps, but mostly, it is just autism.

>Posting Robbie here doesn't really help your point.
i found it very illustrative, it helps show that anon's schizoposting again

>>10845744
>versus >>10844442 (You) # which despite being distinctly feminine, is sharp and clean with tones down accessories and comparatively no-nonsense shoes; the first feels punk, and the second is purely goth.
the 2nd does call his outfit "ouji," though of course who knows why. pic related also called this outfit "ouji", in an ancient Fruits edition. being a regular word means "ouji" gets used for a lot of stuff that has a prince vibe, whether or not it is ouji fashion as we love it.

you are right about the goth vs punk aesthetic. i have noticed old snaps have many proto ouji coords in punk style, often paired with lolita. i think ouji has inherited a lot from punk. funnily enough, goth also grew out of punk. in the end, we are all just a bunch of punks
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>>10790297
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>>10845875
>proto ouji coords
get out.
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>>10846076
y'all aren't ready for punk rock proto ouji
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>>10846987
https://hoshibako.thebase.in/

>10% discount for preordering
>coat and vest come in 3 sizes
>pants available in 2 sizes
>choose from black, beige, or navy

solid options for a newer brand
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>>10846990
the pants look a little.. crinkly

>>10846987
but these are very nice. new releases are usually very underwhelming but the stripes are tastefully done on these. many sizes makes me worry that they are cheaply made but i guess the bar hasn't been set very high in a long time.
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Captain Chris is a prehistoric wolf of some kind, right? to be the same size as a bear.
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>>10849561
isn't Chris a fox. kumya is probably just runty
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>>10849563
Kumyas come in different sizes. I assumed Chris was a wolf and either a puppy (or adult baby) with that one galaxy baby Chris AATP release.
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>>10849563
he is a wolf

>>10849568
captain of a pirate ship, adult baby, baker, like an ouji he wears many hats.

https://www.babyssb.co.jp/info/20210209_captainchris/

any translation out there?
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>>10849595
actually google lens says this says he is a platinum fox. his name was chosen by participants at an AatP event. and the designer wants to add wolf and cat characters.

other stuff in the image seems like fluff about the sea, mohawks and piercings
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>>10849595
why would you answer if you don't know... i wish i had tard confidence like this
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>>10851353
a unisex style going back a century
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>tfw 160cm manlet with pretty face and slim build
>learn about Ouji
>go to Japan
>shop for the clothes
>they fit me perfectly

Thanks Japan for caring about me I guess
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>>10856201
Nice! For some reason people here like to shit on men for wearing ouji but honestly if it fits you and you look good, then that's awesome
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>>10856201
Welcome to the club!
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>>10856868
people shit on men who act like they know anything about jfash when they're conflating it with western goth.
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japanese use "shounenkei" the way the west used to use "kodona"
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>>10827961
Is this blouse fitted acceptably? I'm tall for a woman but skinny so a size s is going to have too short sleeves and too narrow shoulders, but the collar on a medium is too big and has a gap like this. I think it's ugly and should be close fitted especially if it's more of a regular shirt collar but is it actually not a big deal?
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>>10861035
if no-one else answers I suggest you look up official pictures to see how they intended it to fit.
In any case you might be able to get it altered. I wouldn't buy it assuming that it could be though.
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>>10861035
it is an unusually large gap, which might look silly. however, the rest of your coord will also look silly to most people, so no not worry.
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>>10844442
The woman on the right is so attractive
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>>10861079
>>10861090
Yeah that makes sense, and since I can sew well enough that altering it looks a lot better than not, it's just a really hard thing to fix nicely
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Hello prince-thread!
Tell me what ouji personas are active now on instagram or tiktok or where-you-exist? Want to follow the most curious wearers of cheeky shorts

I am also princely human, but not a local inhabitant of threads and the community
Friendly interest without negative
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>>10861709
You have to follow the O.G. Ogee Ouji Ojii-san or you will be lost.
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Do any brands make all white coords
I have too many black coords
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>>10862334
yes, AatP most notably
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>>10862334
Hoshibako Works has classic in white
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we will never see its like again
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abandon thread before everyone notices we've been here a year >>10868636



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