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Been awhile since there was a classic thread.


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>Coord/inspo dumps
>VM release: Complaints? Praise? What did you buy?
>Update on dream dress search / hunt?
>Coord help
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MM added new stock a few days ago, including a longer version of arabesque rose. No offwhite besides a headbow, which I was salty about since it's my preferred colourway. Of course all the main pieces sold out immediately anyway. Did any gulls get anything?
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>>10778633
Lovely dump
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mini dump incoming of some of my favorite pink & white (adjacent) coords from my inspiration folder that i've really been enjoying lately
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>>10778622
VM release: Got Classical Doll in black, I don't have it yet and wish they had more colors but I wanna support them too.

>>10778708
Wish I would have known about this! Do they have a newsletter and I'm just stupid?

+ small dump
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>>10778718
still searching for this dress, will not give up hope
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Oh I love the flowers on the cuffs!
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>>10778723
end dump with this one that isn't pink at all actually i just like it
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>>10778736
end dump

Would love to see more MM coords if someone feels like doing a dump
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I ended up buying a blouse from VM's new lineup, but decided to pass on classical doll since I was hoping for other colours. I have enough black and bordeaux in my wardrobe at the moment and don't like stripes. Hoping that the rococo bouquet pictures on their gallery aren't just a tease, but I am less than hopeful.

>>10778719
Sadly I'm as clueless as anyone else. I wonder how many of each dress they make since they always sell out ridiculously fast. Can't be very many since they always go so quickly.
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>>10778741
I think it's only around 100 or so of each colourway in a release :(
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>>10778622
if i don’t find MM cordelia op in either sax or brown i’m crying.
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>>10778737
ask yee shall receive (with some VM and JetJ, and IW)
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>>10778844
this was such a good dump thank you anon
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>>10778876
everyday i grow more convinced that classic lolita is just less of an ita magnet, probably because of the strict sizing and price range at this point. can’t think of a time ive seen someone in MM who was ita.
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>>10778882
That and it's one of the harder styles to find cheaply in normie stories nowadays
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>>10778836
Thank you nona, beautiful dump!

>>10778883
Agreed. You can't hide your lack of coordination skills behind a busy print or lots of accessories with dresses like MM. Plus I think itas are just drawn to the loudness of sweet.
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>>10778622
Is there a western comm classic lolita FB page??? If not, I wish there was. There's not as many of us out here anyways, and I mostly want it for trading purposes. I'm sick of going to large swap meets and having nobody to trade with. I see way more classics out east.

I've also noticed twice now that even if someone is interested in buying a piece from me, they couldn't fit. Not even a humble brag really, the comms in my area are just large and sweet wearers.
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>>10778882
I also agree. Sizing and availability absolutely are factors, even more than price. There are plenty of rich itas who buy scalped AP dresses and still look terrible. If someone manages to get an MM dress in this current market they already had to put in a lot of effort to find it and be thin enough to fit into it. Someone said in another thread that a lot of MM coords just look balanced because the wearer's waist fits into it. More of the emphasis is put on tailoring and the overall silhouette, so you can't hide fit issues or poor coordination skills behind giant panels of shirring or a busy print most of the time.
I also think sizing aside, a lot of classic lolitas are more experienced overall. Lots of lolitas either migrate from sweet or gothic to classic, or they have been wearing just classic for a very long time. It isn't really a style that attracts a lot of new lolitas off the bat. Sweet and gothic are more attention grabbing
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>>10778728
saved. i've been obsessed with these 20s bowler hats
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>>10778889
Really? I think classic like the pic you posted is incredibly easy to coord. She's literally just wearing an OP, shoes and socks in neutral colors, and only like 2 other accessories
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VM's Classical Doll Long OP reservations end in a little over 24 hours. Don't miss it!
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>>10779198
It's easy to coord, but you can still look bad in a simple coord. Whether that be because of fit issues, being ungroomed, or just not suiting the style. Sometimes things just don't work.
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>>10779198
Yeah it's very simple but I think what anon means is that if your taste is even slightly off, it's really obvious. There's nothing to distract from shit taste, poor fit, etc — also, everything in classic has to be decent quality because cheap offbrand shit looks really bad against well tailored main pieces.

Not saying you cant use offbrand obvi, but you need to choose well
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>>10779198
I agree it might be easy, but with simple accessories if the details don't really go together then it will just look disjointed, and since it's a simple coord you can't really draw attention away from it with a print. It's surprising how easy it is to make it look off.
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>>10779225
I wish they would rerelease the short version too.
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>>10779248
god this. when will VM (and other classic brands) cut down on the super long dresses?

>>10779198
what everyone else said, plus I think hair and makeup becomes really crucial in classic as well. bad hair will ruin the entire coord. sweets get away with pretty obviously looking wigs
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>>10778629
Bag sauce?
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>>10779092
They're called cloches. I hope you get one someday.
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>>10779342
I hate how popular wigs are with sweets, It just immediately makes the whole coord look cheap imo
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cozy early summer inspo
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Dress name?
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I still have my MM pieces from ~2007-2010, including this dress >>10778840 but with the bow that she's missing. I haven't worn them for a long time and I don't have any occasions to wear them to. Should I just hang onto them and let them sit in storage?
Kicker is that when I got the pieces, I was too small to fit into them. Now a decade later, my body is lumpier but still boobless.
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>>10779569
If you have specific pieces you hold dear, keep them and make a reason to wear them. If you need some coin though, then put some for other stuff for sell. Some gulls in this thread might be interested.
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>>10779569
at least try them out for a week or two and get a feel again. If you’re still “eh” afterwards, then I feel like the cash would be worth more than the knowledge of having dresses you never wear, idk.

i say this with zero ulterior motives…
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>>10779573
What's the rule of thumb now for reselling something? I remember when I got St. Claire OP, it was around $250 MSRP from the website. Are MM pieces worth their retail price even if it's been worn a handful of times? Should clearly secondhand pieces be priced much less? I haven't dealt with lolita buy/sell for a decade as well.
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>>10779579
MM pieces are not depreciating anytime soon, they either go for retail (if no signs of wear, damage, or missing items) or higher. St. Claire is a bit weird because it’s been floating around often enough that i’ve noticed it varies in price a lot. Colorway at this point probably plays the biggest role
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Anybody else been struggling to get that perfect classic thick/even bang ? I am currently growing my bangs out so i don't want to cut them again, but i can't find any normal clip in bangs.

i also just think fake bangs never look right i guess so maybe that's my problem
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>>10779665
I'm not sure I understand what you mean nona, do you have any examples?
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>>10779719
bangs such as these-

>>10778724
>>10778737
>>10778736

-have this kind of thickness to them that i think is really cute and easily replicable with my real hair, but I can't find clip in bangs that do the same job. I want to grow out my bangs for professional reasons, but I feel like i'll lose out on this cute classic hairstyle.

im wondering if anyone has any good recommended clip in bangs or hell maybe even long bang styles?
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>>10779728
get this kind of clip in, with the pieces that blend into the back of your natural hair.(obviously not these exactly) japanese girls have a lot of hair, even more than chinese. so they can cut their bangs thick without sacrificing fullness elsewhere.
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not sure why, my pic dropped.
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>>10779771
anon, ur a genius tysm
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>>10779728
Where are you looking for clip in bangs? Western styles generally prefer wispier bangs that are cut shallowly, whereas all these girls are cutting their bangs several inches in from their hairline, which is what's popular in east asia. You might have more luck if you look at asian brands.
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>>10779942
yeah that’s mostly what’s been annoying, the wispy look isn’t what i’m into and it’s mostly what’s sold here. i’ll try to hunt for thicker asian brand ones
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>>10779352
Cotton candy feet
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>>10779982
i posted >>10779771 and you can find thicker ones on prisila wigs, but you need jp ss.
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What's an item on your current shopping list that you'd like to share? I'm interested in hearing what people are planning to buy. Or, share what's coming in the mail! Picrel, seriously considering this VM blouse.
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>>10780029
I don't usually buy indie but I am sorely tempted - would have to get a custom size because her chart is way off.
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>>10780047
I am also thinking of getting a custom sized piece from Milianda. If you do get one, please post a review.
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>>10780029
I've thought about getting this blouse but those trailing ribbons really seem like they'd get in the way of everything.
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>>10780029
It looks like elegant fetishwear. There's less than 1/3 of a shirt present there
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>>10780080
you retarded?
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>>10780091
You tell me about a holey holy shirt
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>>10780094
it's for under jsks you moron.
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>>10780080
Holy newfag
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>>10779538
Something about her posing always looks so unnatural or uncomfortable. I can’t put my finger on it.
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>>10779198
It's simple and 'easy' only if you find the right pieces - shit shows, whereas in sweet you can kinda hide behind the colourful, slightly tacky pastel aesthetic.
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>>10780078
AYRT, i hadn't even thought about that—hopefully if I do get it I can figure out a way to secure them properly so they don't look raggedy after a few wears. Small safety pin to keep them tucked away, maybe?
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>>10780078
i would just shorten them
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Innocent World has announced an Instagram Live on July 5th for their upcoming Autumn/Winter collection. Am I delusional, or are they talking about William Morris? The Arts and Crafts era designer? I know Morris & Co still produces fabric and wallpaper, but this is really unexpected.
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Any western brand recommendations for classic-appropriate shoes? I'm usually a gothic lolita but got my first MM dress recently and oh my god is it perfect. The only thing missing from my coord is the shoes, all mine are too blocky and edgy. Would love any suggestions!
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>>10780180
American Duchess has a lot of shoes suitable for classical, but they are more expensive and made of leather
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>>10780186
Cotton candy feet has lower prices but is more sweet leaning, but maybe this one would work?
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>>10780182
Just checked out their website, some gorgeous shoes on there... I try not to buy leather products new but might see if I can snag a secondhand pair, thanks anon!
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>>10780190
>I try not to buy leather products
eugh.
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>>10780192
>try not to buy leather products NEW

I missed the memo that trying to consoooom sustainably is cringe.
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https://baitfootwear.com/collections/heels/products/racer?variant=32892156903485

Bait haku has some nice oxford heels.
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>>10780194
would be more sustainable to buy something that will last a long time and is easy to maintain but I that's all i'll say cause i don't wanna derail too much
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>>10780194
is "faux leather" (plastic) more sustainable than biodegradable leather?
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>>10780197
Literally who mentioned plastic leather? Do vegans live so rent-free in your head that the mention of buying secondhand products (animal products!) sends you into a rant about fake "leather" shoes?

Not going to shit up the thread with it, and I'm not defending fake-leather abominations, but in the interest of fairness, the leather industry is absolutely catastrophic for the environment. Do a quick google search about the pollution involved in the tanning process.
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>>10780180
>>10780182
Do we know any lolitas with a Fluevog collection? I've always dreamed of building coords around their shoes.
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>>10780201
Not sure about specific lolitas with a collection, but Fluevogs are gorgeous. Maybe try searching the term in Closet of Frills, see if any inspo-worthy coords have been posted?
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>>10780029
Since the yen is weak right now, I took the plunge and finally bought this pair of shoes. Praying it fits well so I can avoid the exchange process.
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>>10780202
I don't have a fb, unfortunately. One thing that makes Fluevog challenging is that a lot of their colors are difficult to find in lolita. I'd love to see a pop-kei girl going nuts with their more outlandish shoes!
Here's some in their current listings that got me wistful. They have quite a few physical stores, too, if anyone is near a big metropolitan city and wants to try them irl.
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>>10780201
Here's all the colors for this shoe. The Gladstone is one of my favorites. What I'd love to do is get a bunch of ribbon colors to swap out the lacing for each coord.
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>>10780194
>she doesn't know that plant based products comsume much more energy and harm the local environment that it does more damage than livestock
but plant based product lobbyists are ethical and wouldn't lie, right?
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>>10780200
fair enough.

>>10780201
ooh i've seen them around but always worried they looked too OTT, or that it would look more like sweet hime rather than classic hime? Some of these shoes are so cute tho, I'd make digital coords.
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>>10780213
no, not fair enough. what other kind of shoes exist? anon isn't going to find anything sustainable for lolita.
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>>10780217
i said fair enough because i didn't realize she was ok with buying secondhand leather, she's just not ok with buying NEW leather.

vegans that are against secondhand leather despite it already existing and isn't producing any more demand is what's stupid.

more people should buy vintage/secondhand leather items
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>>10780185
I own this pair in ivory - kind of a pain to put on (I didn't buy the button hook lol) but they are gorgeous
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>>10780211
Source: crack pipe
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>>10780211
plz see >>10780231

emphasis on not wanting "new." She said she's ok with secondhand leather. let this die, i should've read her whole post. And yes, im admitting im wrong on cgl, you will never see this again.
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The guy who made these kind of staple designs? Very interesting if so, I never would have imagined a lolita brand to collaborate with a textile designer. Could either be really gorgeous or really ... not.

Fall would be the perfect vibe for it. I'm excited for new stuff regardless!
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>>10780158
Wow, I'm a huge fan of William Morris so this is very exciting!!!
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>>10780246
Yeah, I'm really curious about what it will look like if true because I can't see most of these patterns translating to clothing in a way that wouldn't be absurd. This is coming from someone who loves both IW and William Morris, it would be taking the "grandma couch dress" to a whole new level
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I made a "Which Historic Fashion Era Influences your Classic Coords the most?" quiz because i'm bored.

https://uquiz.com/VsFuvL
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>>10780246
>>10780260
mrs.morris.twiggy on instagram has been making lovely dresses from william morris fabric. not lolita, but they do have nice details and it gives an idea of how IW could make it work
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>>10780277
Bless you anon, that was a fun one.
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>>10780277
cringe.
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>>10780281
what, funny little quiz got you down?
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>>10780294
no, it's just extremely cringe and not clever.
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>>10780312
NAYRT but it's meant to be fun, lighten up a little.
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>>10780312
omg lighten up i’m having fun. peeyew, you’re definitely 1950s era
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>>10780351
no i just have standards.
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>>10780158

Seraphim has actually produced dresses with William Morris fabric. I personally think it fits here with their verging on true grandma style aesthetic, not something that I would wear personally without some cinching, but interesting nonetheless.

My main fear is that IW will slap the fabric with one of their usual cuts, which didn't do Mucha any favors. Hopefully they put a tiny bit of thought into making a cut and design that matches the fabric well.
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>>10780187
I got a few pairs from CCF and I regret it, I wouldn't recommend them for shoes, unsure about their bags though. The fake leather just falls apart so fast.
I do have a pair from American duchess I absolutely love and look forward to buying from them again. I didn't even have to break in the shoe for it to be comfortable on the first wear.
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>>10780437
i’ve stayed away from CCF for that very reason, it doesn’t seem any good.
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>>10780277
That was fun, and oddly accurate.
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>>10780437
I was thinking of ordering from them, i thought since it's all pleather it wouldn't be so different from taobao shoes
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>>10780488
CCF bags are okay and seem to hold up well, but their shoes are just poorly constructed and overpriced, and the fit is terrible even when you use their Brazilian size chart. Plus the shape is not great for sweet lolitas because the toe box is so tapered instead of round and cute like tea parties.
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>>10780492
yeah, I've always found the toes a bit weird and kind of pointy
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>>10780492
They also don't have small buckles for some reason. So they're major hassle to take on and off. That alone makes them a waste of money
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>>10780512
*Snap buckles
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>>10780411
Do we know anyone who did Mucha well? This one is alright
I think translating Mucha is much more challenging than Morris. I have high hopes they'll do him justice.
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On the topic of shoes, do any of you have recommendations for reliable oxford heels? I see the design everywhere, but I'd like to know what your favorites are and which might be specifically lolita-approved.
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>>10780520
ngl but the best oxford heels are going to be slightly worn-in and secondhand, at least in my experience.

I've bought expensive brand new oxfords, but the comfort and ease I've gotten from slightly worn-in oxford heels in my size is amazing.

They tend to run smaller i've noticed, and they don't actually offer top bridge support (top side of your foot and sides?), so it's easy to roll your ankle. I feel like getting them worn-in prevents that.

Best pair I got were from depop
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>>10780517
usually not a fan of taobao brands but I've enjoyed the close up artscape prints Balladeer has done. I feel like the same could be done with Mucha's works, rather than including the geometric rectangular frame (which i know is kinda the most popular part of a mucha design, but it just doesn't translate well on a dress)
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>>10778708
wait. i can't believe i missed this. and jesus it honestly wasn't that expensive, especially for how much arabesque rose goes for in the secondhand market.

time to cry.
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>>10780914
there are like no details on this though.
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newfag question; how do you (personally) decide whether a main piece is more sweet or classic?
of course there are lots of ott sweet print mains that would never work for classic, but for like, basic florals. could pieces like the attached go either way depending on the coord?
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>>10781085
when you've seen enough of both, you just get an eye for it. I'd consider that print definitely classic, personally.
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>>10781114
The print fits classic, but i feel like the construction and details give a sweet vibe
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>>10781180
They do, but the classic print really overwhelms everything else. I honestly think it looks pretty ugly though
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>>10780517

Personally I prefer normie brands like blackmilk's takes on mucha, this is one where I think EGL brands miss quite a bit.

What would be cool is if they could have adorned the pictures with art nouveau brassframes, I think that could have added something without overwhelming the design.
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>>10781085
In the past, one rule of thumb I used to follow was ribbon width and bow size. Sweeter brands tend to use wider ribbons and bigger bows. In classic, ribbons tend to be thinner and bows tend to be smaller. Gothic (Moitie) can be a bit of a mixed bag. But that was back in the OTT era, I don't think it really holds true nowadays, especially with current sweet.

Another important point is petticoat shape. Classic dresses and skirts tend to use an A-line (VM, MM) or a hybrid shape (IW, JetJ). Cupcake/Bell-shape is more utilised in other styles. Though this is probably pretty biased because I personally adore the sharp A-line. Maybe I'm under the impression that the cupcake shape was preferred in sweet in the past because some AP dresses had in-built petticoats but I've never dabbled in AP sweet so take that with a grain of salt.

The role that cut plays also cannot be understated. Pic related was a pretty interesting BTB secret. Different brands of different substyles used this uberfabric at one point, so it's a nice way to see how each brand had a different take cut-wise, even when the print was the same.
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>>10781462
As for the Meta dress you posted, I'm inclined to think it can be styled in a sweet-classic way because it reminds me of IW's Crystal Wonderland Lace-up JSK. Might be different in practice though.
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>>10781085
this silhouette and cut gives me more sweet vibes, especially around the upper bodice. and to be honest the print itself, while classic enough, is kind of like a sweet interpretation of a classic print?? it’s very dynamic and kind of loud.
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>>10781081
specifically referring to how close up portraits of people are done + florals
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>>10780201
I have one black fluevog pair that has the oldschool stripper heel and it works for the coord. but besides that one…honestly i don’t recommend them for lolita. I don’t understand why people do. The colors tend to be too garish for lolita and the shoe shape isn’t quite right either. The shoe quality is totally fine, I just don’t recommend it for lolita unless it’s like one of the 3 loli-able pairs they’ve ever made
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>>10782838
It’s more of a suggestion for gothic, there are quite a few styles that are good in Lolita but you need to wait for the good colours.
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>>10782853
I’ve browsed their entire catalogue every now and then and i rarely see loli-able things. I guess some stuff could work for the gothic witch look which i really hate and i think veers into broadway costume territory
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>>10782854
Presumably you don't like the ones here? >>10780208
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>>10782858
nayrt, but i agree with >>10782854 for the most part. Some of the shoes in >>10780208 are doable for classic, but most of them are just too harsh and gaudy for classic.

avant garde shoes for classic lolita look best when done in a specific dainty style.
picrel, these dainty rococo shoes look great with classic coords, despite how busy it is. The structure is subtle.
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>>10782896
these look terrible.
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>>10782858
Yeah I dislike all of them for lolita. I can’t imagine any of those shoes adding positively to a coord. You could shoehorn it in, but it’s all just super clown looking for lolita imo. If i saw it irl i would be distracted by how fucked the shoes are and wonder why they didn’t wear some nice mary janes

>>10782896
I can see the style of shoe working for classic, i’ll probably look for one myself. but not the gaudy colors and the cheap scratchy trim on this specific one
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>>10782899
>>10782906
these are custom handmade $300 plus rococo styled shoes which used a real rococo historical reference. It's actually worth its weight in material selection too. Cheap is far from it, but ok.
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>>10782923
I can also custom make you some shoes for $500 which is more than $300.
My shoes will be worth their weight in material selection. I’ll pick the ugliest and most expensive fabric, and it’ll contain real gold which I bet your shoes don’t.
I’ll use a real rococo historical reference too, that i can find for free in the library. Don’t you dare call it cheap either. Btw I have toddler sewing skills
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>>10782953
cry harder with your shit contemporary taste, go back to the AP thread where u belong
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>>10782923
lolita isn't "real rococo" it's a modern interpretation. they look ugly.
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>>10778622
Look how excellent this looks when you're thin and implement a slightly more traditional aesthetic as opposed to the modern divergent aesthetic. The entire bottom row are goddesses. Simply exquisite.
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>>10778622
>>10782969

only noticing now that the two girls on the top right have the same MM dress. to be honest, micro sleeve OPs are not meant to be worn by everybody, slimmer arms look better. the one in the bonnet managed to make it work with accessories tho
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>>10783126
You make some good observations anon, thank you for your contribution
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>>10783131
a little defensive are we?
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>>10783137
I'm male so I can't tell if you're reading too far into my post or if you're sarcastically joking in a way that is not bitchy, but I will assume the best :)
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>>10783140
you will never be accepted in our hobby
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>>10783144
I know, I'm just here to oggle. Some of you are truly wonderful people and your hobby fascinates me.
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I keep praying for the baggy classical dress era to be over. but I’m stuck in this damn nightmare. VM please bring fitted waist back. I think the only thing I’d buy from them now is skirts maybe
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>>10783158
what gets me fucking heated is that it’s clear their clientele prefers their former work. people in japan and in the west continue to wear their older dresses. i get that owning a fashion brand is also about pushing creative vision/direction and doing things differently, but you’d think they’d balance some business sense as a smallish company?
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>>10778622
for some reason when I look at this picture with all these elegant ladies draped in expensive dress I want to give them diarrhea. I want them all to spew liquid shit so hard that it seeps through their pretty little underwear and their pretty little dress and liquid shit slowly drips down their pretty little stockings OMG I think I have a boner now pls help me
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>>10783165
I feel this with IW and the fucking matronly dresses that they keep pumping out when I only ever see lolitas wearing their older dresses. I heard someone once say that they're trying to appeal to older Lolitas, but I don't get why they don't mix it up a little when there are so many people who prefer their older designs. it seems like they're trying to pivot completely so that these "older lolitas" are their only customer base at this point. Like if I wanted to look like an aging Victorian governess in my 20s, I would just start historybounding.
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>>10783399
this. I actually think they're trying to make their dresses less lolita and more cottage-esque casual dressing. I would go as far as to argue that some of their new dresses barely count as lolita.
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>>10783436
i would say it's not even cottage-esque, cottage-esque at least implies some sort of whimsical feeling to it. it's just stuffy and missing all the charm that their older designs had.
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>>10783399
>>10783399
I want to find the line between historybounding and EGL, so I'm a big fan of 2007-09 cotton jsks from Innocent world. I pull of elegant vibes better than sweet or goth anyway.
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>>10783496
I also love that era of IW, one of my favorite dresses is a 2006 chiffon jsk that's super elegant yet wearable. elegant lolita is best lolita
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>>10783496
I feel the same and the issue I have with IW is that I actually love a lot of their new designs but the polyester fabric ruins them every time. I know they’re going for ease of wear/care, but cotton isn’t exactly difficult to look after and suits the traditional aesthetic so much more
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>>10783552
i recently purchased an older VM dress, 100% cotton, and jesus I get so sad that IW doesn't do it like that anymore (unsure about new VM dresses). Some IW dresses have this weird unbreathable polyester lining below the cotton? I live in a hot climate and the VM dress was just perfect, breathed beautifully and i didn't break a sweat.
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>>10782263
that makes more sense. the idea is good, i just like a bit of lace myself.
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Dumping the IW previews from Misako's and Midori's Twitters

>https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1544201243073003521
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>>10783968

Osmanthus Stand Collar OP
Ivory x Ivory, Pink Purple x Offwhite
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544208270558052353
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>>10783969
Morris OP
Black x Black
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544224150058704896
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>>10783971
Himari OP (Penguindrum 10th anniversary product)
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544232377316036608
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>>10783972
Bronche Coat OP
Black x Ivory, Violet x Light Violet
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544257053065023488
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>>10783968
>>10783969
>>10783971
>>10783972
>>10783975
midori's shoop is disgusting me...
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>>10783975
Lena OP
Mocha x Chocolate, Grey x Black
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544298913292697602
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>>10783978
Lena OP
Celadon Green x Chocolate, Greyish Violet x Dark Purple
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544300309899407360
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>>10783982
Lucy JSK and Lucy Blouse
>https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1544299402793168896
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>>10783984
Adult Alice Stand Collar OP
Medium Blue x Ivory, Greyish Sax x Ivory
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544302906140028928
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>>10783987
>https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1544301891936342017
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>>10783988
Herringbone Ribbon Coat
Dark Grey x Black, Chocolate x Chocolate
>https://twitter.com/fukasawamidori/status/1544304788325617664

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>>10783993
quite literally the only thing i liked.
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>>10783982
>>10783984
>>10783987
>>10783988
>>10783993
the lipstick is excessive and jarring, need to wear a duller color and way less of it. also need to smile less to not ruin the victorian-photo aesthetic (which would also make the lipstick less jarring).
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>>10784053
midori is shoop'd to hell too. she looks like an uncanny valley drawing.
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>>10783971
>>10783969

I'd like to go for these two the most, but the amish length dresses really need to stop omg.
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it's weird to me that no matter who she models for these days, misako's face is shooped everywhere except for her nasolabial folds. why do they specifically leave that
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>>10784067
Maybe she requests it? I like it. It feels like part of her recognizability. Now, idk what they were doing with her chin in the 3/4 angles.
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>>10783987
Didn't they literally just release this dress in a past season? I feel like all their recent releases are just blending together into one at this point. ms. fujiwara please it's not too late to go back to 2019 and release another normal lolita dress. I at least liked the Lucy JSK >>10783984 because I think the cut and green color is cute but I probably won't actually buy it.
Also, wtf is >>10783972 ??? I'd literally never heard of this anime before but apparently it's relatively popular, talk about out of left field
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>>10784222
>being this new
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>>10784222
The older release where they separated the blouse and the skirt was so much better...
No idea what they were thinking of making it a one piece.
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>>10784067
its ok to just say laugh lines, anon

they're a normal part of a face, i wouldn't really classify them as age/wrinkles/etc. if they shooped them out she'd look uncanny valley probably
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>>10784227
desu I had the older release and the skirt looked kinda weird when worn (maybe because of the corset waist?). It was also kind of a pain to have to keep making sure the shirt was tucked in properly so maybe that's why they went with an OP this time.
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>>10784242
i would interpret laugh lines as the squinty wrinkles around the eyes, so anon being specific about what they mean is fine
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>>10784242
laugh lines start from the nose and go down, hers start at the mouth corners and go up. not sure what the right word is. they are absolutely from aging, she didn't have really deep ones like that until she passed a certain age. it's fine bc she's like 40 now anyway but if they are going to shoop away everything else...
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>>10783978
The dress seams on this feel odd, might have been better to pleat the waist to hide them a bit?
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>>10783984
Just feels like they're drowning in this.
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dudes rock
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>>10784067
I think she just has full cheeks or it's the way she smiles. It gives the impression of a youthful chubby face and if they edited it out she'd look like she wasn't even smiling.

Even in unedited or minimally edited clips and pics of her I don't think she smoothes her face that much. She just ages well like anyone who wears sunscreen and has certain features.
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>>10786099
fin*
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>>10786090
I can't decide if I like this or not. It's certainly quaint.
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Do you think I could get away with wearing loafer heels?
Assuming I find one that doesn't have that god awful thick block heel and deep toothy tread. Why does it have to be so hard to find one with a nice feminine tapered heel?
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>>10786193
I think you could if you had an academia theme, like stripes or a sailor collar. If you have a floaty chiffon dress with big, lacy princess sleeves then loafer heels wouldn't match the occasion.
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>>10786193

Yes.

>>10786237

Loafers work well with most coords, not just "academia" types. Ott coords may need something a bit more decorated. The latter thing you're describing honestly sounds more like solid sweet than classic.
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>>10786277
I suppose IW leans sweet more than the other brands, but I was describing the most ott coord I could remember. If anon can find such a great heel,more power to them. But if they find something "loliable" at Macy's, it's going to lean more academic, so it would be safer to start with that.
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>>10786237
>>10786287
It's true that a more formal styling would look off. My classic is a little more down-to-earth. "Academic" sounds about right. Though stripes and sailor collar are a bit more on the joshi kosei angle of academic, whereas I go more librarian-style.

>>10786277
Fanny's casual coords are a big inspiration to me. Hers don't read quite as strongly as the loafers I was thinking of. I found one that kinda matches my idea, what do you think?
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>>10786318
>>10786287
nothing you're talking about is "academic" jesus.
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>>10786340
Librarian look isn't academic? What's more your thoughts on it?
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>>10786287
>>10786318
>>10786376

I don't think they would necessarily make an outfit look more 'academic,' nor does it need to be restrained to an extremely stereotypical 'academic coord' in the sense of classic lolita. Everyday classic lolita that isn't ott already sort of looks that way, and shoes that would look grandma in other substyles work pretty well here.

These shoes also work a lot better than tea parties. I couldn't find a picture with the loafers you are thinking of per se but there's nothing about it that would be jarring in a coordinate. Hope you find one that fits soon.
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>>10786089
i need more ppl to get into tudor inspired ASAP
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>>10786318
looks good to me, go for it anon
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new MM dress on LM seems like a fake? the jacquard jsk specifically. the lolibrary link to the dress it apparently is has smaller flowers, and i can’t tell if the MM tag is actually on the inside back of the dress where it always is.

figured i’d ask here if it smells like replica to anyone else too
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>>10788816
I own MM dresses with that kind of lace and trim, it's 100% MM. The tapestry fabric also looks high quality. The tag also looks legit. So it could be an unlisted colourway.
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>>10788816
The description says that the dress is similar to Jacquard JSK, I don't think they're trying to pass it off as one—they probably picked the dress that looked closest on lolibrary. And the tag seems to be visible in the correct spot in the fourth photo—the lace pictured matches the lace on the front of the JSK. A little suspicious for sure, but probably not a replica?
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>>10788816
Also, the fabric of the dress is identical to a fabric used for their Custard Rose JSK, so I'm pretty certain that it's genuine.
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>>10788830
>>10788824
>>10788827
thank you anons! this was helpful, and i didn’t notice she said similar
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>>10788816
>newfag summer
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>>10788858
I own 8 MM dresses, just not with these features. A listed dress without a name, a seller with only 2 feedback responds, and a different listed lolibrary link, I can't see how double checking is newfaggotry
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>>10788897
don't mind her, every time someone does a little mistake here they will get comments like that
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nu victorian maiden is so saddening
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>>10786600
>>10786623
Loafer-anon here, thanks for the validation!
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>>10784243
I really like the OP, I personally think it's cuter than the previous collaboration.
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>>10792564
It's been very hit or miss for me. Releases like pic related are making me wonder if their goal is to branch out and make more non lolita stuff. I guess they are hoping that it'll help keep their business alive but surely they can see how well the rereleases have been doing? Both Classical doll and most of the colours for last years Antique Rose Doll rerelease sold out pretty quickly. I would be surprised if this series does.
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>>10793187
Classical Doll looked bad in the new stock photos so I skipped it.
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>>10793187
that's been mentioned in this thread and by others, at this point I don't think it's even that wild to speculate on. which sucks, but if it makes sense business wise then maybe I get it? But which audience are they even satisfying with these half-way loltia looks?

victorian maiden has some of the most breathable and cute old dresses, I still regularly hunt for them.
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>>10778719
What's her ig? This is the prettiest thing I've seen
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>>10793187
It's definitely making me wonder if it's better that they fold if they're not actively producing new lolita pieces at this point. Like sure, I like the ability to buy releases I may have missed in the past to support them, but so far the new items that are coming out aren't even good by normal fashion standards.

I dunno. I'm guessing all of us who are oldVM lovers all feel pretty conflicted about this continued disappointment.
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>>10793236
All of their new stock photos look terrible. A real shame because the rest of the website and all their photoshoots look really nice.

>>10793399
I still don't want them to fold since I still really like a lot of their blouses and other non main pieces. I personally don't mind them making some non lolita pieces and will probably still buy some of them but they can't just stop doing everything that their current customers like about them.

I think it was also discussed upthread but I wish they would bring back the tailored silhouette they are known for. Old VM pieces make my waist look amazing but the last few dresses I have bought from them (2021 releases) made me feel so frumpy I had to alter them. Pic related also looks awful, not because it's not lolita but because the fit is so poor. It doesn't fit or flatter the model at all. Baggy, boxy silhouettes might work in sweet but look so sloppy in classic.
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Did anyone else get theirs yet? The custom lace has the name of the dress.
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VM is releasing the Elegant Lacy Halter Neck OP in white, black and pink and the Classical Ribbon Summer Hat in natural and black. The items will be available from tomorrow at 12:00 JST.

>https://twitter.com/VM_press/status/1555123879072468992
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>>10780201
I have a large collection of Fluevogs, but mostly in black, since as another anon mentioned they work better for gothic or 'dark classic' a lot of times. I can post a collage of the ones I own if you'd like for secondhand-hunting but many of them are long sold-out.

They definitely last a long time with proper care and reheeling, though you might run into some difficulties with the custom heel tap shapes if you don't buy extras from the brand in advance.

I'll also note that they take payment plans and are easy to work with calling other stores to have a size shipped if they don't have them in-person. >>10780213 I love this one so much.

>>10780206
Hey anon, when/if you received these can you post about how the fit is? I'm interested as well but have the same concern.

>>10780517
I bought this series on release. It's still my favorite print arrangement of Mucha's art in lolita, but these pieces shipped with super blurry, blown out prints and looked terrible in person. I don't know if this was ever corrected on their part later but I was burned by that first round and it made me never want to buy from them again. The quality was so thin and cheap, too, you can see it on the ruffle and hem seam in the picture.

>>10783158
>>10783399
>>10792564
Same, gulls. I miss the era of VM's pristine tailoring and elegant designs, and IW's flattering cuts and wide availability. New IW is impossible to get even if I had any interest in it, but at 5' I'm swamped in everything they release now and I'm too old to tolerate hot, cheap polyester dresses anymore.

I get that lolitas are getting older across the board- believe me, I hit 30 and my arms have gotten too fat for a lot of my older VM blouses/short sleeve dresses so I stick to their longer sleeves now- but I wish these brands realized that just because we've gotten older that doesn't mean we have to hide our bodies in sack-like dresses!
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VM seems to be hinting at a rerelease of the Amy Rose series in new colours? I'm really hopeful because the bonnet has been on my wishlist for a while.
>https://twitter.com/VM_press/status/1556482833425657857?t=kvIHndqV7c9rTpJUrlqbYg
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stealing this from the capsule wardrobe thread, too pretty not to share
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Saw this retweeted on VM's twitter, looks like samples are being made for Rococo Bouquet in the short sleeved antique doll cut and the one in their gallery. There's also a dark green Mallory OP. Rip my wallet.
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>>10797382
holy shit PLEASE vm take all my money
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>>10797382
oh YES. I've been dying for them to re-release the rococo bouquet roomwear again (since it sold out so instantaneously last time), but I'm happy to see new rococo bouquet anything
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Like what are even the good classical lolita brands that are even obtainable these days?

Like I’m finally in a position where I can afford to spend some money on lolita but like MM closed and VM doesn’t sell as good of stuff anymore. Wish I had money before now.

Guess just troll the resale sites and hope I can beat longtime gulls to the good stuff that isn’t super marked up.
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>>10797437
classic is a secondhand market now a days. IW is cheap, but some of their stuff is just ugly imo.

but there are decent prices every now and again, you just have to be patient. most of my VM/MM wardrobe I got within the last year, and I have 7 older pieces i really like. and they didn't break the bank.
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>>10797437
J et J as long as you're not fat. They do custom but it's only by 2-3 cm bigger at most and nothing they make is shirred anymore
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>>10780206
>>10796585
The shoes have arrived and I've had some time with them. I usually wear 24.0 cm JP/ 38 EU, though my feet are sometimes a little wide for Western shoe brands.

The shoes I received were a little long. I bought some heel grips and tested that. It's a strange situation where the shoe fits without socks, but heel slips happen with socks. It think my heel grips might be the thing that's causing the slip. It's a bummer because I was hoping to wear my lolita socks and tights with the shoes. With thick socks, I also had some discomfort with the tightness of the toe box, but it's leather so that should get better when the shoes are broken in.

Something else to note is that when I used my leather care kit on the shoes, quite a bit of paint rubbed off onto the cloth I was using. I didn't notice any significant change in the shoe's colour, so it's not a big deal, but the amount of staining on the cloth did surprise me. It was a lot more than I was used to with my other leather products. Also, the buttons on the front are quite difficult to open and close without a button hook. It's a good thing opening them is not necessary for putting the shoes on.

Other than all that, it's a beautiful pair of shoes. The silhouette and details are really lovely. Was it worth it? Mmm... The price is a tad too high, in my opinion. The company placed a lot of emphasis on the leather choice and Goodyear welt, but it's kind of lost on people uncultured about leather and shoe construction (myself). If this style of buttoned heeled loafers were more common, I'd be willing to forgo some of the broguing for a lower price. If you're willing to wait for a similar pair on the second hand market, Cobb Hill has one called the Sally, and Lifestride has one called the Origin.

TL;DR final verdict 4/5
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>>10797378
>>>10778622 (OP)
>stealing this from the capsule wardrobe thread, too pretty not to share
TY nonna! It's mine. All MM and VM pre-2010. I am obsessed with MM especially!
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>>10797644
NTA but you have great taste. I'd kill for that capsule.
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>>10797382
Antique rose doll and rococo bouquet are my favorite dresses from all time, I could not imagine the fusion of them being this pretty. I need this.

Forgive me the off topic question but have someone ever seen the antique rose doll dress in red x black? It was my first dream dress and I never saw it in the market, nor even a picture that's not the stock one from VM. Any information is much appreciated



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