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Discuss. With the closing of some brands, the diminishing quality and radio silence of others, and the drying up and price hike of the second hand market, has the rona officially started the end of lolita fashion? What is your opinion?
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how do you define "dying"? there are newlitas every single day, but those that actually keep up with the fashion or strive to get better may be dwindling

i think the price hike is a huge problem though, it makes it incredibly unwelcoming to newlitas and those who even want to come back to the fashion,
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>>10695613
We kinda get the same topic every 3 years.

No.
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>>10695619
/Thread, next
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Once again, the dead horse…it rises. Next we’ll have a thread asking what we should rename lolita to.
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>>10695613
Nah, but a good portion of the lolita threads here are dead though. Too many psychos that are banned from interacting anywhere else come here to whinge and derail under the guise of anonymity.

>inb4 it used to be worse
Not at all. It’s always been a relatively slow board with lots of retards but it was never anything like this.
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The only thing "dying" is clothing quality. Clolita is making the fashion more available and more size friendly which is inviting more people to partake in the fashion at cheaper prices. We have more western indie brands now as well.
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there's more lolitas and lolita brands now worldwide more than ever before and yet somehow people like OP think it's "dying"
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>>10695676
Discord changed how people communicate. Yes, the board has gotten much slower, but it was a slow board to begin with
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Lolita is more popular and widely available than it ever has been how could you even think it's """"dying""""
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>>10695613
>radio silence of others
Only if you are too retarded to use social media properly there is a "silence".
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>>10695659
>Clolita is making the fashion more available and more size friendly
More like jp girls keep getting fatter because more and more western fastfood brands opening stores all over the place, China gives you bad social credit if you are remotely fat.
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>>10695676
thank god
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>>10695742
You want this board to die... even though you are actively participating? Seems counterproductive.
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>>10695755
People suck at internalizing that they are the thing they hate.
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>>10695699
Yes but those chinese brands know very well they can sell to fat westerners easily.
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>>10695659
Only if you’re stuck on burando. All the big brands have their roots in indie fashion, and started at much smaller scale with high quality materials/construction. If you want high quality, look to the current indie brands in the west/Korea/japan that are well known for their construction right now. Even some of the Chinese brands that are small scale have very good quality. Some of the Korean makers are basically bespoke for the cost of an AP release.
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Yes, because it’s ugly as shit on white people and they’re finally noticing.
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>>10695796
I didn't know Korean lolita brans existed. I've seen a really nice Russian one but their styles don't appeal to me.
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>>10695681
Basically this. Discords have lets me discuss lolita in peace without trolling scrotes.
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>>10695807
Ah no. Those still exist, if you have any lurkers that sit in the background, like using twitter, and small cliques then there's a potential you're going to have some vulture pick you for a cancel culture post. Discord is pretty unsafe nowadays.
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>>10695846
They still exist, but have been kicked out or stay quiet at least in the ones I'm in. It's the male and trans dominated discords that seem to have the most drama and scandals.
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>>10695849
>It's the male and trans dominated discords that seem to have the most drama and scandals.
Sounds about right. As long as the mods are good and recognize the people who are trying to start drama (and there's no fallout from kicking them out, which shit's hard nowadays in communities)
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>>10695676
True. It's sad. I'd like to see more activity on here
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>>10695681
discord is not anonymous. it fills a totally different niche imo
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>>10695613
For every lolita brand that dies, a new one rises from the ashes.
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>>10695699
there are more overweight people in china than japan..
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>>10695676
Maybe if mods did their fuckings jobs and deleted coomer and bait threads, the board would be more active.
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>>10695657
There's no much quality social element to it. Staying around FB groups makes a little sense with how political things are around there. Insta is more focused around specific person's content rather than a group chatter. Not sure on discord quality, but that thing seems too intimate as for a space involving complete strangers who has nothing in common besides their clothes.
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>>10696105
Probably one of the more noticeable changes on here. Not even two years ago any attempt of a big tiddy or whatever fetish you have cosplay thread would have been deleted right away. Now it seems to be the norm.
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The lolita community has grown so much over the past years, it won't die unless every single brand shuts down or we collectively agree to stop wearing it.
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>>10696105
>maybe if we reduced activity, there would be more activity
I don't like coomerbait either, but this take is not the big brain take
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>>10695659
>Clolita is making the fashion more size friendly
This is extremely bad, fatty-chans are already the scourge of the community and the last thing we need is more of them. I don't want to be part of a fashion for fatties.
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>>10696351
Too late, lolita is already the fat girl fashion in Japan. You're just a chubby-chan at best.
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>>10696351
You'll always be part of a fashion for fatties unless you start dressing like a fitness thot. Just know that you'll look better for being thinner and just have your dresses tailored to fit. I have to do this anyway for clolita. They have bigger bust sizes and I can tailor down the waist to fit.
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Well, community having big dose of pretentious self righteous cunts as members do have some problems.
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>>10696356
With the rise of "fat positivity" and "health at every size" these days even the fitness community has fat people. Doesn't make much sense but it's real, fat fitness influencers are out there and brands are making size-inclusive fitness wear.
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>>10696349
That kind of "activity" just kills other threads because it makes neckbeards and trolls hang around the board and then start shitting up actual discussion.
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>>10696351
Kek have you not seen APs sizing lately? What about metas plus plus size? Or kanekos 150cm waist? Indie and Japanese brands aren’t shunning fat people either, clolita is just cheaper.
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>>10696105
That wouldn't work as much as I would want it to. Coomer threads aren't that active anywayn it's usually two or 3 anons bumping a thread once every few days with little to no discussion. The only discussion that does happen is when someone takes the bait and starts a back and forth with them but they're pretty easy to kill off. I think what's slowing down the board is the hostility and anons quickly attacking one another over the smallest instances discouraging discussion. This newer generation can't handle that and have other "safespaces" to go to instead. In my years on and off this board anons here get snappy and offended way too easily compared to yesteryears.yesteryear. When's the last time you felt a sense of community here?
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>>10696105
>>10696317
we used to have a very good mod on here, but I think they stepped down from day-to-day responsibilities a couple years ago. it’s also when I noticed the quality took a dive. throwing around the slang term “scrote” for example was a rarity
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>>10696375
i agree with this, clolita's draw is that it's cheap shit. most normie friends i show clolita to lap it up too- they actively enjoy how cosplay-y it looks
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>>10696351
Lolita is literally the fat girl fashion in japan.
There’s a reason why it always looks kind of frumpy in a cute way.
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>>10696375
This is what I find so weird about fatties who insist that lolita is *super* problematic and uninclusive, and ana-chans who screech about fat people living their kawaii lives. Pudgy girls have pretty much always been a part of lolita aesthetic. Even wayyy back in the day, brands made full shirring options and featured girls who were basically obese by Japanese standards. Tbh I think the whole weight obsession thing is largely blown out of proportion by people who are insecure about being fat/ a sack of bones. Normal sized lolitas honestly don't seem to give a fuck.
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Lolita isn't dying at all. The quality is going down but that means you have to look harder for good indie brands with better construction like >>10695796 said. The covidlitas will move on, they'll get bored of the fashion eventually. Biggest mistake was letting these dumb bitches and/or covidlitas give in their entire stimmy for a dress not nearly even worth more than 1k.
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>>10696437
>weight obsession is largely blown out of proportion by people who are insecure

This. People who don’t have massive body issues really don’t care about weight in Lolita unless you’re actively being a cunt.
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>>10696375
On the subject of AP, VM and Baby every time I look it's rare to catch a dress that has at least a 100cm bust. The waists I don't have a problem with, it's the bust and shoulders for me that leads me to more clolita.
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>>10696474
are you actually retarded or something ?
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>>10696490
Yes, why?
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I don't think that the fashion is dying, but it is changing. The disappearance of brands and decaying quality of those we are left is is definitely something to worry about. I image that in 10 years lolita will be a lot more like was in pre 2009. There will be very few second hand options because everything good on the market has been bought up by then. This will result in a second renaissance of the ita being envious of the "brand whores" and the veterans being bullied out of the public eye.
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>>10696499
BABY still makes new dresses just as good as older ones and their style hasn't changed much other than their overpriced princess dresses geared towards Chinese lolitas and weddings.

Meta has had a lot of evolution in terms of aesthetic and style over the years but is still going strong with their preorder system for most things and re-releasing old things. Quality is fine enough. Meta has always been really well constructed too. AP is the only brand I feel has had a real quality dip. And IW has just been obsessed with mediocre poly solids and long shit for the last couple years if not more.
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>>10696437
So many brands are catering to plus size girls too, even the Japanese ones like metamorphose, atelier pierrot and maxicimam. Bigger lolitas have it so good right now and i wish they would understand that instead of attacking brands who choose not to cater to them, they have their reasons not to.
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>>10696508
>AP is the only brand I feel has had a real quality dip
But but anon! Ap is the only brand newfags care about obviously.
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>>10696462
I'm actively being a cunt then I guess. I don't want to see a fatty wearing VM or Mary, it's not for them. It's supposed to be pretty and beautiful and you have to have the right shape for the right silhouette. Aesthetics matter, lolita is about aesthetic beauty and not about your feelings. I don't spend all this time arranging lovely and harmonious picnic setups and such so some bitch can destroy the whole effect by bloatmaxxing.

Think of it like Japanese tea ceremony, where they're obsessed with getting everything just right because one bad detail can spoil the whole thing. Imagine being a tea master whose whole life is this aesthetic, making a perfect arrangement, and then on the morning of an important tea ceremony someone just dumped a giant fifty pound pile of lard in a corner of the teahouse. You can't just overlook it.
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lolita is more accessible than ever. we dont need a western homogenous community to share coords and discuss how to buy brand. lolita isn't dying. its just becoming, not mainstream, but less niche.
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>>10696554
yes you are kek. If seeing fat people wearing something ruins the whole experience for you, you really need some therapy anon. I don't think fatties look good in lolita, but I don't give enough fucks about it to make constant complaints and remarks about it. You have some kind of weird complex you need to work on anon.
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endless summer
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>>10695699
>>10696375
Kek new ap and btssb waists are too big for me, wtf even happened to this fashion
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>>10696398
And now we're dealing with /r9k/ posters vs FemaleDatingStrategy posters who decided to bring their gender war bullshit to /cgl/
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>>10696589
/cgl/ had always hated troons and had a decent population of actual women, there is no gender war
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>>10696554
Good luck with your brain aneurism
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Lolita is more popular than it's ever been.
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>>10696589
What's wrong with fds? Some of them are crazy but their hearts are in the right place. I think the problem is that there is no mods to put spergers in their place. We used to have a really good mod who removed all the scrote orientated coom threads and cleaned up all the lolita infighting but it seems like they are gone now. RIP to that jannie.

>>10696591
As much as scrotes annoy me, the tranny supporters and the vendetta-chans are the worst people on this board.
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>>10695613
Lolita [as you know it] is dead, long live lolita.
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>>10696589
What's wrong with /r9k/? Some of them are crazy but their hearts are in the right place.
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>>10699774
Some are extremely hateful, all mentally ill. Not all are bad people but you gotta be cautious with them
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>>10699940
She's making fun of FDS retards.
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>>10695676
scrotes and tr00ns keep reporting seagulls for spam/using an IP
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>>10696508
>BABY still makes new dresses just as good as older ones and their style hasn't changed much other than their overpriced princess dresses geared towards Chinese lolitas and weddings.

This is why I've started buying a lot more Baby lately for basics and dailywear. IW used to be my go-to but the quality has dipped horribly in the last several years... Well, they still sell out on the regular, so good for them. But I'll stick to Baby who still put out blouses and versatile accessories on the regular, and still use cotton on the regular, and put out good quality heritage cuts of solids still that I can buy new and not have to resort to something off the secondhand market that's had 5 owners.
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>>10696554
You are absolutely a cunt. You don't get to decide what girls can and can't wear. If a fat girl fits into VM and MM then they have every right to wear those brands and it IS for them. You come off as a pathetic control freak. Like the other anon said, get therapy.
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>>10696105
>no fun allowed
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>>10695619
Yes but 3 years ago the thread would have been long archived by now
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>>10696554
Hi A. Hows your poltard fiance?
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>>10700944
she's probably ugly. even if you hate fatties they make you look better by comparison.
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>>10701187
This
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>>10701175
>doesn't remember Der Footthread
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>>10696554
Utterly based and true.
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>>10695677
Because they don't consider Chinese lolitas or Chinese brands to be "real lolita." But let's be real, China is the main reason lolita is *not* dying and still going strong these days. They could keep the main Japanese brands afloat just on their own even if every other country abandoned lolita. And then pretty much every new lolita wears Taobao these days instead of going straight to brand (or Bodyline as it used to be) so those brands are a huge part of the fashion as a "starter kit" type of thing if nothing else.
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>>10695613
Don't think it's declining because of rona. Lolita fashion's been phasing out for years now in Japan. Doesn't help that the community has such a catty internet reputation, even when IRL lolitas are pleasant. You can't expect brands to make money when lolitas are bullying others into not wearing the clothes. The west and China are booming right now, but it'll decline after 4-5 years as trends change and people move on. We'll just be left with a bunch of old, wrinkly lolitas.

A more interesting topic is what happened to 4chan in the past decade. This site used to have some sense of community, but now people just come here to vent because their personality is so shitty, even Reddit doesn't want to listen to their rants
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>You can't expect brands to make money when lolitas are bullying others into not wearing the clothes.
Anon what the fuck are you talking about lmao, lolitas have ALWAYS been like this and brands sell out anyway. Also most reasonable people don't give a fuck about what a bunch of randos on the internet have to say. You'd think someone who is willing to dress in an expensive alternative fashion in public would have thicker skin and brush off that garbage no problem.
Same with 4chan, it's literally always been shit.
I swear this thread topic and the arguments that follow get recycled every couple of years.
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>>10701547
Has anyone ever actually been bullied out of wearing lolita? Even the whales and TIMs who get shit on the most stick around.
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>>10695613
Every six months y'all ask this shit and every six months we say the same thing:

No. The fashion is not dying.
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>>10696474
fucking this, I can fit in any goddamn measurement you throw at me except for bust/shoulders bs
also some clolita like cc cat is adorable desu
t. wide shoulders big tid
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>>10701660
There was Milky Fawn and I know some non famous former lolitas who have gave up the fashion because of the hostile environment.
Don’t know if it happens constantly enough to be taking a toll on brands, but it definitely happens.
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Even if it "dies", there will be a revival in little under a decade, just like we're seeing right now with Y2K as well as 2014 Ariana Grande style.
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>>10701660
I almost did but then I realized that that’s what some of you weirdos wanted, so I didn’t.
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>>10701545
>4-5 years
>wrinkly lolitas

Tell that to the people who have been in the fashion since the LJ days. I've not met or encountered a single person who gave a fuck that anyone had a wrinkle, except here in recent times. You know, where the community is made up of 15 year old edge-lords who own one 7th hand Baby lucky pack sock and think their opinion is majority rule. "Old people. Yuck. Why aren't you wearing boring old people clothes."

>>10701547
>>10701660
I don't think I've witnessed anyone beyond the rare person leaving due to hostility.

As a fatty-chan old-timer, I've not encountered any "bullies" that made me want to consider quitting. I've had run-ins with plenty of bloomers on the head crazies, but I just laugh at their antics and move on.

I can see how being very out there and public while having an obsessive following might make one uncomfortable. But that's rare.

I do imagine that if you venture into the land of tiktok and twitter, you'll get some pearl-clutching puritanical 13-year olds screeching about the other lolita. But most of us are on FB/Insta and don't encounter that. Just creeps and sissies.
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>>10701728
>I've not met or encountered a single person who gave a fuck that anyone had a wrinkle, except here in recent times.
This. Everyone at RVR was "old" to these fucks. They’re the ones who actually wear the clothing.
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>>10701721
Milky Fawn didn't left because bullying but because she noticed her shopping addiction and actually decided not to indulge it further and because people idolizing (like someone selling a dress as "worn by milkyfawn" ) her creeped her out.
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>>10696508
Baby and Meta have been KILLING it lately with their release.

Like look at this and tell me AP has put out something even remotely cute like this
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>>10701848
Probably why she went minimalist
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Does anybody mostly only ever wear lolita at home and barely ever out in public (aside from meetups)?
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>>10701660
Yes, I was. I was on the fence between spending more money on lolita vs j-fashion, and a few months of dealing with a stupid amount of high school level drama from lolitas, I decided I didn't want to associate with that and sold what I had to buy more j-fashion and stick to that.
And I know a few lolitas who still wear dresses, but actively avoid other lolitas because of the associated drama.
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>>10702027
Nta and I'm sorry you had some bad irl experiences. I've only ever had nice experiences irl and off anon in online chat/servers with other lolitas like discord or dms on small.

I think cgl is just the worst. It's worse now that it was before honestly. I blame old schoolers and newbs for the unhinged aggression that everyone sports these days.
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>>10702028
Its 50/50. half the lolitas I have met are great, other half are /cgl/ "everything everyone else wears is ita" types.
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>>10702002
I don't go to meetups really, so I wear lolita out whenever I have the opportunity (for shopping, going out to eat, dates with my partner, activities with normie friends etc)
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>>10696554
>I don't spend all this time arranging lovely and harmonious picnic setups so some bitch can destroy the whole effect by bloatmaxxing

LMFAO picturing some chick painstakingly putting a plate down on a blanket omg
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>>10701721
i thought no one knew the actual reason she left. she just disappeared. i figured she just got bored with it
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>>10702002
Nah the opposite, wearing lolita outside makes going outside itself more fun.
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>>10702028
When did you join cgl?
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>>10701660
Yes, but it's been a really long time. It's also one of the events that kind of led to vendettas being banned. A woman who did adult work as her career was also a lolita. Back then, there wasn't really any porn of actual lolitas; just bad 'sissy' looking stuff.

She did a video wearing lolita, and she got bullied out of the fashion. I seem to remember she ended up apologizing & selling her dresses which wasn't right (because she couldn't wear it anymore to meets or anything without getting harassed). Because no one had done it, it ended up all over the internet.

I just remember it was really, really bad. She was all over /cgl/ and everywhere. It's kind of why you don't see any lolita porn during its height.
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>>10701660
I should add, anon, to what I said in >>10702192. To explain how long ago this was, it's when nobody was really doing webcam work because webcams were still EXTREMELY expensive so you didn't really have your major streaming websites or any of that yet. She assumed no one would recognize her, but the person who bought the video was assumed to have possibly been responsible for releasing it where she could get DOXXED. Pretty much, /cgl/ had stills from the beginning and even links being posted. Like I said, she ended up quitting the fashion from my understanding. People were upset she wore the actual fashion in a porn.

That's the only instance I know of someone being bullied out of the fashion.
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Well, cgl is dying because of "anons" like >>10702028, >>10702051 and other retarded outsider bitches, who come to cgl to whine about cgl and who killed the sense of community and 'being a seagull' we used to have.
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>>10702192
>whore gets bullied out of the fashion
Good.
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>>10702199
Kek yeah sure the newfags didn't ruin cgl. Keep telling yourself that.
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>>10702192
i feel like lolita has probably been done in japanese porn plenty of times at the height of popularity and we just don't know about it because we aren't japanese coomers
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>>10702237
Those are newfags. If they pulled the "cgl is so mean, catty and shitty :((" shit back in 2011, they would've been torn a new one and told to go back to tumblr.
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>>10702192
>>10702194
sounds fake t b h
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>>10702289
>>10702237
NTA but truth. It's fucking annoying we have newfags on here being like "everyone on here is a bad person BUT ME" literal completely imposter syndrome - you're a seagull if you're on here. Tired of this shit.

/cgl/ was informative back in the day. I hate coming to this board, now, 13 years later because no one wants to provide anything but be whiney bitches about cgl
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>>10702291
>shit back in 2011, they would've been torn a new one and told to go back to tumblr.
100%. We chewed up PT and spit her out. Literally so much milk came from this board. People who bitch and moan about cgl now, have no fucking clue especially with the LJ hate shrines that girls made for other girls. It's 150% not cgl, it's the lolita community, period.
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gulls, why exactly IS the lolita community so brutal to each other? is it this way in japan, even?

we all know it's not just cgl clearly, why is the community like this? are men right, that women are nothing but drama? discuss
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>>10702299
Of course giant bows on frilly dresses that look ddlg if worn a certain way…are going to attract mentally ill people. there is hardly drama for the classic and probably goth lolitas.
Seriously the drama is always sweet centered. I love sweet myself and all the sweet lolitas i met irl so far are lovely. but if you are crazy and a sweet lolita, you are super super crazy and that’s all there is to it
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>>10702299
>why exactly IS the lolita community so brutal
everyone is brutal online for every hobby on anon boards. even for shit like cross-stitching. there will always be crazies in every large group of people. plus, this board attracts the type of terminally-online, obsessive stalkers that people normally avoid IRL, as well as the LARPing lolitas-at-heart who think this is just some fun community to drama-monger and criticize strangers. if you go to actual comm meets IRL, everyone is incredibly nice.
>is it this way in japan, even?
online, yes
>are men right, that women are nothing but drama?
look at any male-dominated community (like the comms for video games) and you will find that it's also full of drama, so you can get this retarded misogyny out of here. some schizo Smash player literally made a whole video essay on why some guy was harassing him.
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>>10702302
>drama for the classic and probably goth lolitas.
I disagree. While you may not witness it, but I've totally seen crazies go after goth lolitas. There's a lot of drama that's happened over the course of the western lolita community.
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>>10702303
>this board attracts the type of terminally-online, obsessive stalkers that people normally avoid IRL
Why are you on this board then? Because that's you?

See my point? I've been on this board since '06, yes the lolita community sucked all the content dry on the board but your opinion is completely newfaggy and completely not recognizing you're what you're "claiming" the board is.

BTW before lolitas found cgl, because yes this board existed for a long time before they poured in, there were TONS AND TONS of livejournals dedicated to hating on itas, certain girls in the community, behind the bows, lolitasecrets, you name it. So seriously, take your dumb opinion off of my board with your newfag shit.
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>>10702305
It doesn't *just* attract those types, but of course those types thrive on /cgl/ more than elsewhere like instagram. I never said it wouldn't exist in other communities, just that this and lolcow tend to be the worst for the obvious reason of anonymity. Learn to read before you start seething like some unhinged sperg.
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>>10702303
There was literally a dude who threw an actual dead crab at some famous player too in front of an audience
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>>10702299
Any community will be brutal to each other if they can hide behind anonymity. You just see it more with lolita because the community is so small and because the clothes already cause somewhat of a stressful environment with how expensive it is. It also doesn't help when you have people trying to make the already niche fashion into something it isn't. Sometimes lolitas aren't even "brutal" they're just trying to tell someone that what they're wearing isn't lolita, and get pinned as bullies anyway because the people first joining tend to be young or not used to someone being upfront about things. It's easy to brush off actual brutal things because they're usually so ridiculous , at least in my opinion,
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While we're here, out of curiosity because I don't keep up with Japanese lolitas.
Do they give a fuck about the indie vs burando thing or is that only a western autism thing?
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>>10702309
I’m even more out of the loop wtf has anyone been sperging about indie vs burando for
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>>10702299
>is it this way in japan, even?
Japanese lolitas invented the term "ita"so you tell me.
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>>10702303
>some schizo Smash player literally made a whole video essay on why some guy was harassing him.
FGC is full of a lot of retarded autists parading around virtuism shit now. It's constant drama drama drama. Smash is definitely one of the worst, but I am literally completely sick of hearing about how some dude raped some dude and/or did something illegal and *no one is reporting it.*

It's a bunch of drama crazy boys making up shit to climb the clout ladder.
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>>10702299
>is it this way in japan, even?
Yes kek, at least it was 3 years back on their 4chan equivalent. They were even worse and I saw them gossip live-blogging about the ugly faces of attendees that were sitting on their tables at a tea party.
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>>10702309
Japanese indie brands tend to be a bit better than the western offshoots.
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>>10702319
2chan predates 4chan btw. 4chan literally is moot being a weeb and copying 2chan's existence. they are hardcore into gossiping and have always been on that board. shit's in literal media all over the place since forever.
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>>10702309
Yes and no?

For one thing, like >>10702320 said, Japanese indie tends to be very high quality. And most of the indie brands have been around forever (like And Romeo and MAM). There isn't really a sharp divide between those and a bigger brand like VM. So girls that wear any brand will also wear any indie, and might even look specifically for indie pieces because they're more unique and special. And there's always tiny brands that you can't even find as a westerner, they don't have webshops. You'd only find them if you went to lolita stores and events in Japan and talked to people.

However, there's a lot of Japanese lolitas who collect only one brand. Like internationally most lolitas just wear a substyle, like sweet, but in Japan you have girls that aren't sweet lolitas, they're BtSSB-only lolitas (for example). That's why you can find so many meet-up pics of entire comms wearing the same brand or the same coord.
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>>10702344
MAM is brand.
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>>10702199
>>10702291
>Those are newfags.
I've been on /cgl/ since at least 2014
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>>10702361
yes, when it was already shit.
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>>10701182
Are we thinking of the same A? Who are you talking about?
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>>10702321
How do you find the lolita threads?
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>>10702344
Lol, those aren't indie brands and if you think those 2 are an example of higher quality I wonder what your taste level is.
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>>10702361
>2014
lmfao, do you really think that makes you *not* a newfag? newfags are everything after '08
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Yes lolita is dying
come cry on my shoulder, anons
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>>10702361
You know nothing.

>>10702344
>indie brands like And Romeo and MAM
A brand not being one of the top 3 doesn't make them an indie brand ffs. If you're gonna talk out of your ass at least make it sound believable.
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>>10702453
How many og users do you think are still here?
If every post-2008 gull is a newfag, then 90% of this board is newfags.
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>>10702350
See?
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>>10702361
>I've been on /cgl/ since at least 2014
So then you remember stuff like the Ita Thread existing continuously all that time? With fatty-chans and other itas regularly appearing to defend their shit? Ohio-Chan Meltdown was my favorite.
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there haven't been any newfags on /cgl/ since 2018
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>>10702475
shit bait
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>>10702467
yes.

newfag was coined for everyone that came to 4chan in the newfag wave when it got popular. it's not a moving target. there's plenty of OG users. I've seen quite a bit on here. it doesn't matter if you're a newfag to me, but you are one and so is a lot of cgl. but yes, a lot of people came on here without 4chan culture so they just shit up the board with whiney bullshit instead of actual photo dumps. I kind of preferred the cosplayers, because at least they had informative diy threads on everything
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>>10702410
The one I'm talking about does not own a single lolita piece, but goes on and on about how she'd fit MM and "all the landwhales" would be jealous.
She moved from the US to Canada to shack up with some crazy guy she met on /pol/. Has massive mommy and daddy issues.
The screeing post about the tea ceremony is exactly the way she talks irl.
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>>10702192
We need more of this. God bless seagulls
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>>10702479
Cosplay really is dead. There is only pornplay now





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