Old thread saging >>10683605>Con is desperate for models and volunteers.>2 fashion shows, but only have 7 brands on the list. 2 don't even make clothing. Another only makes t-shirts>No one is enthusiastic about any special guests.>People still mad over Tyler>Also mad over the confusingly worded Code of Conduct
Are we done circle jerking this thread to oblivion? This event is exactly why no one does shit in the loltia community. It's the first year. It's not gonna be perfect. Get over it. This whole fucking site is just tearing down anybody who tries anything, then non stop complaining about why we can't have nice things. Support lolita events/creators and you'll have events to go to, content to consume, and people to hang out with.
>>10689222>stanning this train wreck when all the red flags are in full viewFor fucks sake nonny. ALA, Rufflecon and prior lolita events had rocky starts but weren't flat out SJW disasters.
>>10689225>but weren't flat out SJW disasters.NTA but to be fair, neither is this one, yet...Tbh I think the SJW ass licking is really just a way to try to get more attention on the event. It will die out on it's own if it's bad, or grow and improve if it's good. Still fucked about Tyler though, not setting a very professional tone.
>>10689229>Tbh I think the SJW ass licking is really just a way to try to get more attention on the event.I highly doubt they're that insightful.>>10689222I'm out of things to bitch about and I'm sure the event will run fine but pulling the things they did was asking for trouble.
>>10689222>Support lolita events/creators and you'll have events to go to, content to consume, and people to hang out with.I don't understand this logic. If people are spending money to travel somewhere in the middle of a pandemic, they want GOOD content, not just ANY content. Then when the event fails to make enough money, they'll go crying about "wah lolitas just don't support us!" No, you shot yourself in the own foot.There is a reason that a fashion con is struggling to find models for a fashion show, and it isn't because none of us like to dress up. Even AWA booked BABY, while this actual lolita convention still has fuck all. Meanwhile, Rufflecon had Enchantlic Enchantilly and 3F its first year.
>>10689233This. Tekko routinely gets crazy good guests even though it’s a flyover con. Tbh I don’t think anyone needs or even wants a Lolita specific event. The community isn’t really large enough to support it, and no one who isn’t already heavily involved in the con circuit is going to have the pull to get decent guests.
>>10689236I want a lolita specific event. I just want at least ONE guest or fashion show worth seeing. Is that really so much to ask for?
>>10689229>but to be fair, neither is this one, yet...NTA? Why you lying?Did you miss seeing the guests they booked and their ass backwards rules and accountability pages on their site? It's SJW pandering to the maximum. To add to that, this event is masquerading itself as a lolita event when it's barely a J Fashion one at best.
Ironically, this event is making me want to go to paradiso again, which is pretty kek considering how they started advertising this shitshow.>>10689240This. That being said, who has good guests? But trying to fill the void with @vin@ is not the solution.
>>10689243Tekko has brought AP and AP designers. They also got Moitie pre-Rona. AWA booked Baby. I'd love to see Meta, and since they now wholesale to US stores like kuroshiro, they would probably be willing to play ball. >>10689240Even RVR isn't lolita exclusive. It includes Jfashion, a lot of which are actually hideous. A mainstream con has more resources to get real guests. Any lolita specific con is going to have major problems trying to get real guests.
>>10689240Well they did get Lor. Even though she's despised on here, she's actually enormously popular and far and away the most influential lolita at the moment. It would have been nice if they hadn't shafted Tyler, or got a real brand, but you can't say they didn't get at least one major guest that most people would give a fuck about.
I honestly can't imagine that they will have better luck getting guests in the future. Who would sign up to be a guest at a con where they might dismiss you, call you a racist in a public forum, and then terminate the contract without even making any statement about what happened?
>>10689246>Any lolita specific con is going to have major problems trying to get real guests.But why is this? Wouldn’t it guarantee to designers or brands that their customers will be in attendance? Wouldn’t they want to be the prime attraction to said customers? Seems more lucrative than attending a con fashion show watched by a crowd of normies.
>>10689248>actually enormously popular and far and away the most influential lolita at the momentNo she absolutely is not, unless you forgot Asia exists. She may be the most famous *western* lolita, but normies are her target audience now. Most lolitas do not give a fuck about her anymore because she is a massive ita and blatant sponsor shill.
>>10689257ntayrt, but a lolita con will be small and new and almost certainly run by amateurs who have never run an event before. Attracting major guests when you've got small numbers and you don't know how the guest invite system operates is basically impossible. >>10689260Anon just because you've got a hate boner for Lor doesn't mean that she's suddenly not one of the most highly followed lolitas in the world. I don't like her either but for fucks sake I can still admit that she's quite popular, yes, even within the actual lolita community.
>>10689256As someone who's worked in getting guest contracts. This. 100% this. It's a *very* small world and when you do this sort of thing people take notice and avoid you like the plague. Hell I had a voice actor blacklist one of the events I worked on because he ended up with a queen bed and not a king in his comped hotel room. If they ever had a chance of getting decent guests, it's pretty much long gone now.
>>10689261She doesn’t even have half the followers on instagram that Misako has. Same for RinRin. Midori and Minori also have more. Most popular western lolita, yes. But how the fuck are you really going to say she’s “far and away the most influential lolita at the moment”? Her style is not influencing our communities because she is ridiculed for it. Don’t spout retarded exaggerations that are blatantly false.And no, she’s not a main attraction. People have seen her at lolita cons multiple times now. She doesn’t make or design clothes. She won’t draw in numbers just to see her. She’s a decent sideshow for people already attending, I’ll give you that, but most people would much rather see an actual designer.
>>10689266What connections will Tyler even complain to about her experience? The only person in that world she was ever close to was Lor, who doesn’t give a shit about her. Japanese guests aren’t going to know about this Tyler drama.
>>10689270I never said she was the most influential lolita. I said she was one of the most widely followed lolitas in the world and she is. Of the lolitas they could have reasonably invited, she is the most inluential. Cry about it.>>10689271nta, but it's not really the guest who will notice, it's the people who handle their contracts. I don't think rvr will ever have to worry about getting japanese guests anyway.
>>10689270>she’s not a main attractionAnon have you seen the guest list? She is obviously headlining this event.Lor actually is a pretty big influence outside of cgl and oldfags. I think it has less to do with her style and more to do with the fact that people want to share in her following so they do her hashtags/ challenges to try and build their own clout. Anyone who genuinely thinks she has no influence is pretty disconnected from the current state of things, for better or worse.
>>10689280She's barely active these days. You have to be an active participant in the community if you are bringing as little to the table as she is fashion wise. Lor is proof that just being a longtime lolita and having an expansive wardrobe doesn't mean you can't dress and style yourself like garbage. It's super disappointing that someone with a background in film and video who has been wearing the fashion for a minute produces such mediocre content. Did we really lose Tyler with her occasionally insightful videos and actual interest in specific prints and like the actual clothing over freaking Lor?
>>10689277>I never said she was the most influential lolita.See >>10689248.>>10689280>people want to share in her following so they do her hashtags/ challengesMaybe it’s because i don’t follow itas, but no i haven’t seen this.And exactly my point. The fact that SHE is the headliner is sad. No one is going to fly out just to see her. She’s been at a million lolita cons and has basically nothing to offer except a panel and maybe a DevilInspired coupon code.
>>10689277Won’t the people handling their contracts also be oblivious to Tyler? They probably don’t know what happened to her. Most of the people on here didn’t even know until directed to that blog post where they don’t even mention her by name.
>>10689236Tekko gets good Japanese guests because: 1. They are a pretty well established con, and have a pretty big j-fashion emphasis. 2. They are run by a non-profit society for Japanese culture, which is pretty well connected and acquainted with booking Japanese guests in everything from minka architecture to voice acting.I wish more cons would just stop inviting guests based on their influencer status, and instead based on their actual contributions. Youtubers as guests at conventions is so lazy and honestly, not that interesting or exciting and usually brings a lot of drama. Bring me brands, designers, artists etc. I would literally rather see even a crappy indie brand break down their art/design/production process than hear lor talk about sjw issues or pokemon cards.
>>10689285Realistically everyone talks, if you're in a small niche community then doing shit like this ruins your reputation.Lolita is a small niche community, western or not. The issue is that a lot of SJW culture is literally to leverage power over other people and woke virtue signal. When you decide to leverage power over others in a small community, who are you signaling to? Because the majority of us are going to look at it and go "I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole." Especially if it's bullshit made out of nothing, then you just look like a cunt that no body wants to do business with.
>>10689357>Lolita is a small niche communityThis. There’s probably no more than 15-20 people in the US that handle scheduling of guests for j fashion events. This community is way too small to burn bridges at all, let alone over literal nonsense. That’s not even mentioning the way they tried to recruit visitors from the competition and in general, completely ignore the general policies that events like these tend to have. Trying to grow your audience becomes 200% harder when you piss off the community and convention circuit. This con will probably putter out almost immediately. Event planning isn’t something you can just diy and see what happens and there’s a reason why successful conventions have nearly identical policies in place.
>>10689343This.A fun panel paradiso did was a q and a with some of the western brands. While I'm admittedly a bit lukewarm about some of them featured, they all had really in depth answers to questions about mass production and logistics and were clearly passionate about what they did. I have no idea what a washed up influencer could contribute especially someone who barely has input on the current lolita community. She isn't even a very good influencer.
>>10689379I'd also love to hear from lolita-inspired artists or well-known DIY crafters. You don't have to be doing a full blown lolita brand to have more interesting things to contribute than a Youtuber.
>>10689379Some small cons really just spin up to add to influencer status. I've seen some of them pop up and nearly die right around the same time, but they get crowds due to 1 person.It's not really milking someone's status, either. It's really just like going to a book signing. No one is going to come back to that convention for the experience.
Why did they feel the need to ban straw hats and indian headdresses, but age play is fine I guess?
>>10689473If you really know this little about jfashion, then maybe you should lurk moar before you post your retarded and uneducated opinions.
>>10689473you're that anon who calls nile perch and fairy kei/yumekawaii brands ageplay for using stuffed animals or rattles as cute motifs, aren't you?this definitely feels more casual pastel fashion than lolita but 'baby' themes are just another cute jfashion theme for anyone who isn't a degenerate. not my cup of tea though.
>>10689473Don't hurt yourself with that reach anon.>>10689488>'baby' themes are just another cute jfashion themeI wouldn't call this "ageplay" per se, but every single person I know personally who wears this kinda thing is an actual degenerate. ESPECIALLY the "it's a girl"/"it's aboy" type things. Pretty much worn exclusively by adult babies and genderspecials who fully present as one gender but want people to call them the other so they add an "it's boy"/"it's girl" pin of lies. kek.
>>10689526i wear them and I'm not some SJW degenerate genderspecial. japanese women also wear them. talk about reaching
>>10689526>Pretty much worn exclusively by adult babies and genderspecialsWhere is the lie. I swear this shit should be banned in Lolita because it attracts perverts like flies.
>>10689527Get psychiatric help. It's fucking weird to dress like a baby.
>>10689526>Gender specials wearing baby-themed gender pinsThis is literally like 1/4 of my comm at this point.
>>10689531You're too new to remember the dozens of other times this conversation has happened in AP threads over toy necklaces or print releases. Disliking a motif in this fashion doesn't make it suddenly the ageplay boogeyman and it's newfags like you conflating the two that make it harder to keep out the degenerates.
>>10689533If you're a grown ass woman who feels the need to wear a baby rattle you need help. sorrynotsorry
>>10689488>you're that anon who calls nile perch and fairy kei/yumekawaii brands ageplay for using stuffed animals or rattles as cute motifs, aren't you?No that was me. I said it reminds me of ageplayers and rappers and I still think so. Pacifiers and this stuff was literally made for babies and seems like if japanese people started wearing cute diapers as a fashion, some of you all would too.
>>10689536kek this image tho anon haahah
>>10689534grown women can't find babies and baby stuff cute? what is wrong with you? am i not allowed to carry an usakumya purse either?>>10689536if you're retarded enough to associate pacifiers with rappers instead of ravers and club kids, then im sorry but no one is looking to you for your fashion expertise
>>10689536Nah mate thems just a couple of droogies out on the town
>>10689540>if you're retarded enough to associate pacifiers with rappers instead of ravers and club kidsI apologize for working in childcare. Please forgive my intolerance of seeing adults sucking on materials meant for teething instead of ravers high on LSD. Instead of a water bottle, should I carry a bottle instead for extra kawaii?
>>10689540There's a big difference between " oh look what a cute baby" and let me just tack this rattle on my 30 year old tits. It ain't cute anon.
>>10689540This. I don't think they've put any thought into the cutoff point for their rationalization. Otherwise we're clearly ageplayers with our Moitie bear keychains lmao
>>10689546so you work in childcare, but associate innocent children's toys with sexual fetishes? change your career. better yet, stop wearing lolita because usakumyas are CLEARLY stuffie ageplay fetish shit according to you
>>10689540>grown women can't find babies and baby stuff cute?
>>10689548no, it's an accessory. if you're a degenerate who thinks its some age regression shit, that sounds like a personal problem. the rest of us just think baby stuff is cute.
>>10689551you realize this is a lolita con right? most people think lolita is childish and completely age-inappropriate for adults. are you just a LARPer?
>>10689551>misako is now an ageplayer apparently
>>10689550Funny how I never mentioned stuffed animals yet you keep latching onto it. My grip is with pacifiers and rattles which when an adult has them relates to adult subjects that corrupts innocent items. >rappers>ravers>ageplayers>>10689554Lolita is the same thing as pacifiers and rattles to you? Lolita is based on adult fashion. If I'm missing out on some historic reference of rattles and pacifiers were originally made for adults to display wealth or style then I wholly apologize.
>>10689551>Implying there's no women who find this shit cute while the rattle necklaces sold outI'm not sure if you're a scrote or just paranoid that everyone else is. It's okay not to like a toy motif (I'm not even a fan of this myself) but you're likely to injure yourself if you keep reaching this hard.
>>10689556>Lolita is the same thing as pacifiers and rattles to you?shh no one tell anon about dreamy baby room
>>10689557Of course it's fine if I don't like it, but mentioning I don't and it reminds me of ageplayers has triggered some gulls here to the point someone remembered a comment I made weeks ago in a whole other thread. Sorry if you feel offended, but baby items being worn by adults will always look weird or fetishy to me.
>>10689556This. There's a big difference between rattles and pacis, and stuffed animals. Hell my college roommate had a stuffed animal, but rattles and pacifiers are pretty specifically for babies and toddlers. It's gross.
>>10689556sooooo why exactly do you have a gripe with rattles and not "stuffies"? I've seen more ageplayers talk about stuffed animals than rattles.>Lolita is based on adult fashionanon, it's literally called LOLITA, which is how japanese people have referred to young girls in general, minus the sexualization. they always refer to looking "girlish". the style itself has roots in edwardian and victorian children's clothing. Stuffed animals have literally always been for children too. apology accepted for your utter retardation.also, the most common misconception about lolitas are that we are ageplay fetishists so no, it's not considered age appropriate for adults in any way.
>>10689561>rattles and pacifiers are pretty specifically for babies and toddlerswearing a rattle as a necklace is not the same as playing with it like an actual baby, retard. and in what world do you live where you think normies look at picrel and think "oh that's clearly inspired by mature adults and not children!" it's all ageplay to them. i don't know why suddenly you draw the line between stuffed animals and rattles, when people openly berate women who own a lot of stuffed animals as insane babyish psychos
>>10689564>sooooo why exactly do you have a gripe with rattles and not "stuffies"?Because while stuffed toys are used by people of all ages, including plushie collectors, sports team memoriabilia etc. rattles and binkies are pretty exclusively <5 years old or fucking perverts. You really can't grasp that there's a fundamental difference here?
>>10689556Are you so dense that you think similar kinds of gross sexualization and "corruption of innocence" isn't a thing that's happened with stuffed animals? Toys and other youthful/girly imagery have been incorporated in a street fashion that started out by appealing to a feminist youth culture that wanted a way to dress conservatively while still being cute and feminine. If you want to try to sexualize it or claim that this fashion sexualizes it by mere inclusion you are giving the degenerates the ground they need to stand on to feel like they can dismiss criticism.The whole fashion, including its cartoonish, childish motifs are supposed to be unsexy male-repellent.
>>10689568>stuffed toys are used by people of all agesno, people of all ages do not carry around stuffed animals in their daily lives. children do. thats why normies think we're ageplayers.>rattles and binkies are pretty exclusively <5 years old or fucking perverts.you don't know anything about jfashion designers and brands do you? stop LARPing and fuck off if you genuinely think this.
>>10689564>why exactly do you have a gripe with rattles and not "stuffies"?Rattles have always been meant for babies but adults having stuffed animals is normal. Hell, we have a whole holiday where boyfriends buy giant stuffed bears for their girlfriends or adults winning stuffed animals at fairs for each other. Replace that with a rattle and it's weird.>edwardian and victorian children's clothing.Edwardian clothing in general was worn similarly for both adults and children. The frills and lace you see was a general style the same way pants are worn by all ages today. >the most common misconception about lolitas are that we are ageplay fetishists so noAnd you think a pacifier and rattle doesn't add to that? The only childish looking style tends to be OTT sweet while everything else looks like over dressed "historical" fashion to normies.
>>10689569>The whole fashion, including its cartoonish, childish motifs are supposed to be unsexy male-repellent.This. These LARPers are just projecting their fetish shit on us which is literally the opposite of what this whole fashion is about. Scrotes GTFO
>>10689571>The only childish looking style tends to be OTT sweetThis. It's like sweetfags forget that they're pretty much the only substyle that looks like perverts kek. The worst I get is being asked if I'm in a play or something.
>>10689571>adults having stuffed animals is normal.adults carrying around stuffed animals everywhere outside of fairs is not normal, no.>And you think a pacifier and rattle doesn't add to that?So I'm not allowed to wear a rattle necklace by AP, but it's fine to carry a stuffed animal around and let people think im an ageplayer because of that? What the fuck is this logic? And why should I care what normies think? If I did, I wouldn't wear lolita.And I see you chose to ignore the huge point about why it's called LOLITA fashion. Lolita is synonymous with "young girls" to Japanese people, without the sexual aspect. You are forgetting that Japanese people openly and repeatedly have talked about this style looking girlish and cute and childish for YEARS. I honestly think you don't actually know shit about this fashion and are just LARPing.
>>10689577>Lolita is synonymous with "young girls" to Japanese people, without the sexual aspectKEKEKEKEKEK You do realize there's a whole ass category of Japanese porn referred to as lolita/loli. If you want to play into this weird sexy baby fantasy more power to you, but you can't be surprised when lolitas who prefer not to dress like disturbed children shit on your weird rattle and paci accessories.
>>10689569You can think whatever you want about what I think and you're free to keep wearing what you want. But I will never see pacifiers and rattles worn by adults as something cute. Just weird and probably someone with a fetish. If it bothers you that much then I'm sorry but I'm not going to change my mind for you.>>10689577You shouldn't care. Do what you like. But like I said above, it's always going to look weird to me. Sorry you got offended and assume that because I have a different opinion than you that I'm "larping" as if wearing these clothes suddenly makes you part of a hivemind.
>>10689575>caring what misconceptions normies have about youcan't relate
>>10689571>>10689575As someone who wears mostly gothic I disagree, degenerate freaks who want their fantasy 12 year old rori waifu don't discriminate based on my wardrobe choices, and when I wore sweet they were no more or less likely to approach. To be fair though, I think OTT just draws more attention in general for obvious reasons and you're more likely to have normies approach you.Never been a fan of the baby rattles but it's not the necklace's fault that men are disgusting.
>>10689580>Just weird and probably someone with a fetish.it literally isn't if you actually follow jfash. no one walks into Nile Perch or Spank! and thinks Tavuchi or the shop girls are pedos. but sure, I guess if you're a LARPer normie then it might seem that way
>>10689578IMHO shaker necklaces are one thing, but pacis, "it's a girl", diaper safety pin motifs, and like an actual rattle thing are really strange and don't belong in lolita. Maybe baby-kei is a thing, but it's a weird thing to bring in as a lolita theme.
>>10689582>that men are disgustingtrue. But let's not forget. Adult babies and fetishists are often women too. Just because their weird daddy is into it doesn't mean they're not also really getting off on it.
>>10689583Whatever you say.
>>10689578anon.....loli-con is "lolita complex". a complex for young girls. lolita means young girl. that's why the fashion is called lolita. it doesn't mean "sexy young girl" like it does here. just young girl.seriously, this is basic stuff. do you know anything about the history of the fashion? have you watched tutorials or interviews by actual japanese people? they ALWAYS talk about looking young, cute, and girlish especially in old school/sweet. this is no secret, they talk about it all the time. denying it makes you look like even more of a LARPer
>>10689587and those same fetishists wear lolita without even wearing rattles. they'll literally just slap on AP and take nudes in it. is AP suddenly ageplay shit now? no.
>>10689588i mean if you disagree with that then you're a clueless retard, so yes. Tavuchi is not a pedo. god i hate LARPers
>>10689589nta but loli-con and lolita are used interchangeably in Japanese porn. lolita has always been very closely associated with kink communities. So honestly, work the pacis and rattles. Get back to the community roots and broken doll aesthetic.
>>10689584this is a jfash con, so presumably it's for fairy kei enthusiasts rather than lolitas. they're extremely common motifs in fairy kei shops
>>10689591Wow you're just dead set on people in the community being all about the diaper/rattle/paci life. Do you not remember how much controversy was around BBR when it came out? There have always been people in the comm who've looked down on legit baby aesthetic in lolita.
>>10689592and if I look up "black" as a porn category, it's also going to be sexualized. doesn't mean black people are suddenly sexual. obviously it's just going to be a sex thing on a porn site.
>>10689590Lest we forget the heroinlita, this fashion is also drug culture.To get back to some thread relevance, that Angelic Forest girly gang print could be paired nicely with a pacifier if that seems like a kawaii rapper aesthetic for the fashion show. Hopefully they don't ban the coord for being racist though kek
>>10689596>doesn't mean black people are suddenly sexual. >she doesn't know
>>10689595>thinking Tavuchi is a lolita or has anything to do with lolita commsjust stop. also, carrying around a stuffed animal and wearing frilly dresses in daily life is absolutely something only literal children do.
>>10689599She doesn't know what? That being black isn't some kind of a fetish?
>>10689599it sounds like you're the coomer here
>>10689602>>10689603it's just bait, don't bother
>>10689591You really like that word huh. Again you can believe what you want. I guess when you see me out in lolita you'll automatically think I have the same opinions as you. Oh well.
Why do men and coomers ruin everything, including literal babies? Let me enjoy my Nile Perch and AP Star Toy necklace in peace you degens
>>10689602>>10689603Being a black woman there is high expectations for you to be sexy and aggressive. It's not just a thing on a porn site, you are literally expected to wear certain things and look a certain way and when you're not, there's an extra layer of strange looks you get.
>>10689606>when you see me out in lolitaI don't "believe" anything, I know about jfash. That's why I'm not spouting retarded normie misconceptions like you. Spank! literally closed because a porn shop opened in front of it, and you have the gall to associate Tavuchi with pedos? Fuck off with adding this insult to injury
>>10689608>being a black womani think you mean any woman and geez you sound dumb as fuck. black women and girls are not expected to be sexy and aggressive. other people, mostly men, often and including white ones, have just stereotyped them as such to justify things ranging from sexualizing black female children, sexual assault to harassment, or even rape of black women in the past like during slavery.
>>10689608you're missing the point. Replace "black" with "asian", "curvy", "brunette", "feet" ...even "teen". the point is that those are not suddenly sex terms just because categories exist for them on porn sites.
>>10689233>>10689175I volunteered and somehow didn’t get selected despite being one of only a handful of people in my comm who can even fit into brand. No loss lol it’s not like there’s even decent brands to model here. But then again maybe that’s why I didn’t get selected, I didn’t put much effort in since I don’t care
>>10689609You're assuming quite a bit of things just because I said adults wearing pacifiers and rattles is weird. Don't worry, this isn't something I talk about outside of this place and I won't go protest out in the street over you wearing items meant for for babies. Your babas are safe uwu.
>>10689612they said that they’re still picking people, and the emails that went out as denials were an accident. You will probably be chosen
>>10689610>black women and girls are not expected to be sexy and aggressiveWow, way to just erase my life experience. I guess I and others that have complained about this very subject is just dumb.
>>10689613So you don’t think those items are for fetishists and age players then? Great, glad we cleared that up so that you aren’t blatantly insulting the people who pioneer jfashgo back to posting your anime reaction gifs in cosplay threads now
>>10689616No I think they're for babies. But you're free to believe what you want and get offended over nothing.
>>10689617Yeah and wearing pigtails with bows and carrying around a stuffie with you everywhere you go totally isn't what only kids do!
>>10689620Weird of you to call it a stuffie. First time I've heard of a stuffed animal being called something like that.
>>10689615i'm also a black girl and your individual life experience doesn't mean everyone else's was like that. like i said people have stereotypes and preconceptions that black girls are that way but for the most part the *expectation* is not that we act that way at least in how people are raised and whatnot. look at how quick people call black girls 'fast' or 'grown' for wearing their hair down or certain clothes if they show their bodies developing at all and gross men looking at us in a creepy way.
>>10689621ageplayers and suburban moms (of children and dogs/pets) tend to call them that.
>>10689621So not only are you an idiot, you can't read or scroll up a thread either. Tragic.
>>10689621Get out more.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuffed_toy>They are known by many names, such as plush toys, plushies, stuffed animals, and stuffies
>>10689622I used to think it was an individual experience until I heard youtubers talking about the same things I went through. I wasn't even searching for it, just listening to life experience of others through storytimes while they do their make up or hair or just talk about their life. The expectation to be a "bad bitch" and get laughed at for not knowing how to grind your ass on someone's crotch or twerk. Cousins and their friend trying to put you in tight revealing clothes. "Black people don't do that." "You're not black." "Girl, that is not cute." and of course the men that want a "baddie" or avoid black women because they don't want a slutty thot as they believe we all are.
>>10689627that happens to every teen girl of every race, retard. the "sexy, submissive asian girl", "white girl wasted", "crazy, fiery latinas" etc. And every teen girl who socializes with teen boys who want to fuck them are berated for being "prudes" if they don't submit. scrotes are the worst to everyone. you're not special because you're black.Except the weird incest shit about your cousins, gross.
This thread is both off-topic and depressing as shit so I'm going to pose some new questions:How's everyone packing?Are you planning on dressing to theme ("Alice in Vegas”)? Any lolita travel tips that are a must for you?What are you most looking forward to? Least looking forward to?
>>10689631Clearly it's a problem for every type of girl in their own stereotypes, why is explaining how it is for black girls dumb? First I get called a coomer then explain what I mean then told that it doesn't happen, then I explain that it does happen and I'm a retard?
>>10689633you were called a coomer because your response sounded like some /pol/fag that was implying ayrt was wrong and being black inherently makes you some sexual beast
>>10689631>IncestDid you not have family members that tried to dress you the same way they were dressed?
>>10689633You're racializing an issue that is clearly a problem for all women. Being sexualized and men acting entitled to your attention or sex is common amongst every race. Yes cultural elements like popular fashion or trends may affect the specifics but it is all just the same shit. But most women aren't raised/expected to be sexual or aggreones, even black ones. Usually we're raised in a traditional way that shames being sexual and aggressive and parents demand respect and tell you not to wear stuff they feel is to old for you. Creepy men's preferences is not how black girls are raised or expected to behave, being hypsersexual is a stereotype projected onto women of all races and yes black women specifically but a negative stereotype is not a cultural or societal expectation.
Stop replying to bait and talk about the event you retards.
>>10689632>How's everyone packing?I'm probably going to bring 2 full sized suitcases and a carry-on. I plan on having 3 separately themed outfits with not much crossover, plus all the swap meet clothes I want to get rid of.>Are you planning on dressing to theme ("Alice in Vegas”)?Probably not? Maybe just a throwaway outfit for the day I arrive.>Any lolita travel tips that are a must for you?Don't be afraid to crush pettis. Also, rolling clothes makes things easier. And I always, always use packing cubes.>What are you most looking forward to? Least looking forward to?Most looking forward to the swap meet. Least looking forward to the actual panels.
>>10689639>You're racializing an issue that is clearly a problem for allThis is a common problem for people who are black currently. Everyone else's issues are minimized.
>>10689645Also what happens when one race is a majority in an area, there's lack of exposure to any other race - even the white race that gets shit on so much is usually no where to be found. You see minimization for other races because they do not know what it's like to know them or what their lives entail, so they think that the world revolves around their one race in the majority. Black people are a majority in urban areas.
>>10689632I should think about what I'm going to wear and pack, but instead I set up a nail appointment and pre-bought tickets to stuff to do in vegas. I need to get my shit together.I am looking forward to the vip mixer, although it looks like it'll be friday instead of thursday? Also I guess the tea party? Maybe meeting other sane lolitas? Although based on the people in this thread and the people running the event, my expectations are low
>>10689222Nah the con deserves this teardown. Too much about this event is suspect. Peeps noticed this shit was weird with the same timing as Sin City Anime Con, but what I find even weirder is the fact that Sin City's CEO happened to run Vegas' Lolita scene for a good few years. Probably a weird coincidence but it almost seems vindictive to run this event at the same time as her convention.
>>10689652>nail appointment and pre-bought tickets to stuff to do in vegasdeets? is there a good salon around there that does specialty nails? tickets to which events?
>>10689655>Sin City Anime ConSo essentially what you are saying that no locals are going at all in the local communities.
>>10689658do Vegas lolitas really love Sin City Anime Con or something?
>>10689666Checked. Satan confirmed to curse this event.>>10689658Probably not. Sin City is established already as a con because it was formerly Sabakon, run at the same location as Sabakon in former years, and most likely kept it's vendor list.This event you'd think there'd at least be pamphlets around town - especially Chinatown - to bring in more attendees for it's first year, but there hasn't been any advertising beyond online, though that is from my personal observation.On a side note, anyone who's been in Vegas for a hot second knows that the strip is where Japanese themed events go to die.
>>10689670>there hasn't been any advertising beyond onlineThis is probably because they don't actually want a whole lot more attendance. I actually think this is why the con will fail. They're really just planning a larger extended meet. They don't want non-Jfashion/lolitas to attend as there is a j-fashion dresscode, meaning that they'll never be able to cut into attendance of other events, and won't really expand to include people who are maybe curious about J-fashion. No con I know of has an everyone must be in cosplay rule.
>>10689674Well that's because you obviously haven't been to lolita events before. It's not like optional cosplay where the main attraction is anime for cosplayers and non-cosplayers alike. The main attraction is the clothing, and it's for people who wear the clothing. A dress code is par for the course.
>>10689675woosh. I know that you retard. the point I'm making is that unlike cons, which can grow their audience and be open to normies and fans alike. This event is basically just an extended meetup. They can't really expand their attendance, and they can't open up to non-lolitas because it would kill the point of the event, making it extremely difficult to scale.I'm genuinely curious how they will define J-fashion for the sake of the event though, especially since it's required. There are plenty of j-fashion styles that are pretty much just normie clothes.
>>10689676but no one wants normies at lolita cons, retard. if you actually wore the fashion in public, you'd know how fucking annoying it is to be bombarded with questions and constantly asked for photos. we don't want to be zoo animals at a con meant for us. having a dress code keeps the peanut gallery and the fetishists out.previous lolita cons have had musical guests, fashion shows by big brands, actual designers, workshops, and movie screenings. this one just fucking sucks.
>>10689677nta but you are the fucking retard>There are plenty of j-fashion styles that are pretty much just normie clothes.Typical j-fashiony clothing is pretty normie looking, anon. Outside of the instagram buzzfeed wording for jfashion, lolita is a harajuku fashion and not a typical Japanese fashion or even a common one. Labeling an event a jfashion event is pretty fucking stupid anyways.
>>10689675>A dress code is par for the course.I'd agree...if this was just a meetup for afternoon tea at Waldorf Astoria.I am seeing potential future repercussions in how they are choosing to run this event but I am going to withhold any further commentary and see if the way they chose to run this proves me wrong.My only advice to those who booked a room through Royal Vegas Retreats' rooming block, is make sure you have enough money in your bank account to pay for what MGM Grand's normal hotel rate would be for that time period. Just in case.
>>10689683you have no clue what you're talking about. multiple prior lolita cons had "jfash only" dress codes which kept out fetishists and normies. virtually no one showed up in UNIQLO and called it jfash except maybe an event photographer. so no, i know for a fact i'm right and what you're saying is flat out wrong, because there are multiple precedents. also lots of lolitas are into other jfash styles, so it's really not a big deal calling it a jfash event when the obvious main event is all lolita stuff.>>10689684no one cares about normies padding the event with numbers, we just want to see other lolitas and jfash enthusiasts. but i guarantee this event is going to fail after this year because there's already other events that actually get decent guests. lolitas actually want to go to those.
>>10689684I had the same thought anon. >>10689685I think the bigger problem is that this event won't really pay for itself. For the amount of time it takes to plan something, and some of the observations I made in the planning process, I can't imagine they'd even have the funds to go round 2 even if they wanted to.
>>10689685This, there were virtually no males and everyone was in full lolita coordinates at Paradiso and it was nice. These fucking weirdos suggesting abolishing the dress code and putting out physical fliers have no fucking idea what they are talking about and have never been to a lolita con before. It kind of sounds like Sin City people pressed that the event is coinciding with theirs but they fail to realize there is zero crossover there.
>>10689699The thought of handing out flyers advertising a "Lolita convention" without dresscode in Las Vegas of all places is pants-on-head retarded. They're obviously just cosplayers.What I do think is a good idea, though, is totally making it a jfash convention. Keep all the Lolita stuff but stop *only* advertising the Lolita stuff. Start marketing it as an "all j-fash" event, with dress code. Add in some gyaru or fairy kei panels or whatever, with some suitable guests/designerd. At the moment I doubt anyone who doesn't wear Lolita even wants to go to this con, and that definitely limits the scope of it.
>>10689699Even this event has a "partner pass" that allows non j fashion wearing partners to attend specific areas but none of the events where they want people dressed nice. But otherwise partners are expected to wear jfashion or a nice dressy outfit. Anyone sperging about dress code or wanting non jfashion o r lolita wearers to attend is a lolita at heart larper mad because they can't attend.
>>10689703>>10689703>The thought of handing out flyers advertising a "Lolita convention" without dresscode in Las Vegas of all places is pants-on-head retarded.If you're running an event in a town common sense would dictate you need a certain percentage of locals in attendance to help break even. The Vegas strip despite drawing in tourists doesn't usually get repeat visitors sans normie expos and events like CES or EDC who have big corpos throwing money.The big cities like ones in California are the few that can get away with running niche events that draw in more out of towners than locals necessarily and even then they need to be more established because otherwise you get dead events like PMX - which I personally thought was great for all it's J-fash offerings but it was a pretty low traffic con.This event doesn't cater to locals and that is fine - they're within their right to run things however they see fit, but the amount of hustle for vendors implies they are not just running this event out of a passion for the fashion.>Start marketing it as an "all j-fash" event, with dress code.It looks like they're already have this in place as per their Event FAQ: "Lolita/EGL, Ouji, Aristocrat/EGA, Mori-kei, Fairy-kei, Decora, Visual-kei, Otome, Gyaru, J-Punk, J-Goth. Japanese as well as Western formalwear"
>>10689786desu I doubt they are expecting it to go beyond one year. it feels like a clustered together tea party concept with little foresight.>Event FAQ: "Lolita/EGL, Ouji, Aristocrat/EGA, Mori-kei, Fairy-kei, Decora, Visual-kei, Otome, Gyaru, J-Punk, J-Goth. Japanese as well as Western formalwear"Describing it out like this is more proper.Especially when we have idiots in here going 'jfashion this and that' and makes me realize this thread is full of larping idiots. harajuku fashion =/= jfashion. Harajuku is a niche and it really frustrates me that either some of you are lolitas or just fucking larpers. We used "it's a japanese fashion" to explain it easily to people who wouldn't understand the detailed explanation. It is *not* a japanese fashion in the sense that a normie fashion in japan is.This thread is full of larping idiots that come from instagram tags. God, you guys are so easy to spot.
>>10689788>accusing everyone else of being a LARPer when you haven't been to a lolita con beforegood one. fortunately, we speak from firsthand experience. people don't show up wearing UNIQLO if all you say is "jfash", so no one gives a shit about semantics.>>10689786yes, i'm aware they already have it in place, but you're missing the point. while it's technically open to those styles, there's nothing really for them. I guess there is some stuff if you just wear fairy kei or menhera, but people wearing gyaru, j-punk, j-goth, and mori have little reason to want to go if they don't already wear lolita. Not to mention the styles they didn't list, like cyber and nanchatte.
>>10689842>good one. fortunately, we speak from firsthand experience. people don't show up wearing UNIQLO if all you say is "jfash", so no one gives a shit about semantics.It's more about the fact you guys are talking about jfashion and a lot of what is mainstream is instagrammer "jfashion." The majority of you are also probably the same people. It may be semantics, but if you really want other people excluded then you need to list out the genres for HARAJUKU fashion.Use your brain, idiot.
>>10689848it's pretty understood in the west that the slang term of "jfashion" means "alternative Japanese fashion" and not "what's popular on wear.jp"no one here sees or hears the word "jfashion" and thinks uniqlo, we have always understand and used that term as a shorthand for alternative
>>10689848again, time and time again, this has been proven wrong. see >>10689850 you're obviously not using your brain if you keep thinking anyone shows up to a "jfash dress code" in normie jfash wear. i have literally never seen that happen, ever. at most you get sissies or steampunk/cosplay fags, none of which are normie.LARP less. go to jfash cons and events. then you'll realize this too.
they still haven't released the schedule and October is almost over. Pitiful.
>>10689924yeah, what the fuck. everyone is booking dinner and shows for the evenings now so if they wind up having evening events, no one is going to go
>>10689924I'm so annoyed. If you don't have reservations, especially with sin city happening the same weekend it's gonna be hell to eat at any of the nice asian restaraunts. Apparently vegas legit has some of the best authentic chinese food in the world btw senpai.
>>10689959it does because chinese people looooove to gamble. you should see it on the chinese new year, they decorate it like crazy
>>10689959Vegas local popping in again to confirm. If you wander over to the Venetian, near the gondolas there's a restaurant called Tao that's really great. They're also a bar, so if you want a more refined place to grab a drink they're good for that too.
>>10689959Another local jumping in to confirm this. They have legit dim sum here. Ping Pang Pong is my fav for dim sum and dinner. Hong Kong Garden is also good, Orchid Garden is a decent all day dim sum place.Din Tai Fung is a great restaurant on the strip and you get to see them making dumplings.
>>10690003another nother loccal: I would advise missing pretty much any event to try and get a table at any of these places. Vegas doesn't have a lot going for it, especially post 'rona, but we legit have the best chinese food you can get anywhere in the US.
>>10689786>The Vegas strip despite drawing in tourists doesn't usually get repeat visitorsNot only are you larping as a lolita, you act like you know the area. Where the fuck do you think Californians and Arizonians go for weekend trips regularly?
>>10689966>>10690003>>10690015thank you all for the recommendations! I booked one of those places
Can a local give advice on going places alone? Will I be heavily creeped on in casinos? I'm not planning on walking outside along the strip, just sticking to hotels and the attractions in them
>>10690015Y'all need to go to lotus of Siam if you're looking for next level Asian food
>>10690027I kinda want to be your friend I spend a lot of time alone cause I’m shy. Guess I’ll try to post on the event discord
>>10690027MGM Grand has unfortunate neighbors in the form of a ghetto Motel 6, OYO, and the trio of Luxor, Excalibur and Tropicana which are the cheaper picks on the strip with potential guests whose personalities reflect the price range they can afford.If you're dressed in Lolita and it's in the evening time, you will probably get comments from drunkards. Ignore them and keep walking. If you stick to the walkways following Las Vegas Blvd when you have to walk outside you should be good, and your plan to stick to the inside of the casinos is also good.I think if you are going to stay in fashion, you should try to find a buddy like >>10690030 to walk with but I understand wanting to explore an area alone and for what it's worth so long as you aren't walking around past like 7-8pm you should be fine alone.
>>10690052Sorry >>10690027 I meant a buddy like >>10690043 not the other anon. My bad.
>>10690043Please do! I was planning a full day completely alone so I'd be glad to have company
>>10690052Thanks for the advice! I did book a place to eat in the evening but I may just taxi back.
>>10690052Didn’t someone get murdered at that motel last year? I live in the burbs, but I genuinely would not advise walking by yourself around the venue once it gets dark and def not after the drunkards start migrating to different venues. Even if you’re not in Lolita, that motel is supppper sketch and >>10690052 is right, the other neighbors aren’t ideal.
>>10690058And remember! Should anything happen, RVR will refuse to involve the police!
>>10690122everyone says that until they actually have an emergency that requires the police lol.I volunteered at a place that was literally holding a meeting/discussion thing open to the public about alternatives to calling the police. Somebody wound up whipping out a knife and stabbing someone else, and of course the police was called
>>10690185"ACAB until it stops benefitting me to yell it" is unfortunately, not a surprising mentality from these types of spineless people. Then they turn into the very Karens they rail against.
>>10690058Yes someone was murdered there last year. My friend works at the tropicana and it was a whole thing. Be safe out there gulls. Vegas isn't as bad as like Chicago or something but it's far from a safe city, and the area isn't the worst side of town but again, not at all the safest. >>10690185This desu. Remember the whole autonomous zone in portland that ended up needing to establish a "security force" to resolve crime problems? It turns out pretty much every society from the dawn of time has had some version of a police force. I'll be the first to say that police corruption is insanely prevalent and that we do need massive police reform, but desu you're incredibly privileged if you've never lived in a place or been in a situation where the police were necesary. Their whole approach to this part of the event makes me super uncomfortable as a local. There's a lot of crime here. It's not a constant tirade like SF is rn, but young women who stick out are definitely more likely to be targeted in some way. Reluctance to contact the police if anything were to happen is insanely irresponsable.
>>10690211>Their whole approach to this part of the event makes me super uncomfortable as a local. There's a lot of crime here. It's not a constant tirade like SF is rn, but young women who stick out are definitely more likely to be targeted in some way. Reluctance to contact the police if anything were to happen is insanely irresponsable.I imagine if outsiders catch wind of the event going on there with those rules, it's going to grab the attention of very unsavory people. Just by hosting it in a venue to begin with, they already have connection with the bad sides of town btw. Last year my hotel pushed me into a scammer orientation that they had connection with. I got a free helicopter ride out of it, sure, but the guy was trying so hard to sell me something that didn't exist. I'm sure many people lost a lot of money to that company. It's how bad Vegas has been doing during the pandemic. MGM openly had connections to the scammer group.
>>10690211>Reluctance to contact the police if anything were to happen is insanely irresponsableThis. It is pretty rare for things to go wrong, but if they do I wouldn't want any hesitation about whether or not to get law enforcement involved. Imagine someone being more concerned about their SJW points and not getting cancelled for calling the cops than they are concerned about your safety/wellbeing.
>>10690298I sincerely doubt that would happen in a serious case but it just makes their rules even sillier and potential lawsuit fodder should someone decide that these rules were the reason why contacting law enforcement was delayed. Luckily for the organizers, lolitas hate confrontation so that covers that scenario fairly well, for the worse.
>>10690308yeah, I’m very confused about what the fuck they were thinking as far as legally covering their asses. Why would you openly state that you won’t call the cops? That’s straight up asking to get sued
>>10690052Do you think it's better in the early AMs? I want to get photos with the lights on the strip, but I don't want to run into crowds or weird drunks
>>10690321>straight up asking to get suedYo free money
>>10690015>>10690030Which one is most aesthetic? Or in general your favorite restaurant or cafe at any price point for the aesthetic
>>10690298>>10690308>>10690321This is just smoke and not a reflection of all the staff. If cops or security need to be called there will be zero hesitation
>>10690407Resort World as a whole has interesting decor throughout the property and a variety of food choices, especially the amalgamate that is Famous Foods Street Eats.Tea Lounge at City Center is nice, but the price of their afternoon tea is as you'd expect of the strip.These suggestions are off the strip:Gabi Coffee & Bakery. Hands down a photogenic cafe with good coffee and tea.Lamoon is a very cute Thai "cafe," and the food is good but you don't get enough to justify the price point.Posted from before - Ping Pang Pong but if you want to have photos taken in fashion it might be difficult to find a spot.If you're willing to go a little further out of the way from the strip...Illumilatte Brew Society has some cool decor and decent coffee and tea.Bad Owl Coffee Roasters has three locations with slight Harry Potter theming.Would recommend you look up some of these places on Google Maps and check the photos to see if they have the aesthetic you're seeking.
>>10690449Nta but the place pictured looks lame. I can smell the cigarettes and must through the screen.
>>10690449Most of these fucking suck anon. Thanks for trying though
>>10690465Saying it sucks and then not providing an alternative isn't helping anyone anon.Post your picks.
>>10690468Already did in the first several threads.
>>10690486 so basically your suggestions in the previous threads either got ignored or shit on and instead of making recommendations you're being a salty cunt in this thread instead. got it.
>>10690496Um, no? People responded to them in those threads just fine. Sorry people don't like yours and you're butthurt about it, but no need to project.
>>10690449>>10690454>>10690465Resorts World has only been open for a few months, the property is extremely clean and well managed. Smoking is banned everywhere indoors except the casino floor and the smell hasn't has time to settle in yet.Genting Palace is good.
>>10690514It looks dark and bland. Why do you care so much?
>>10690523It's such a big place that it seems like a waste to write it off based on one or two photos.I work in the gaming industry out here and I'm being genuine about this place being pretty alright compared to some of the older casinos.I personally like the Venetian and the Palazzo more though. And Green Valley Ranch is a bit of a drive away from the strip but they have the best spa.
>>10690514it just looks like more typical vegas decor.
>>10690642I mean yeah that's fair. But considering previous anon's concern about cigarette stink, I wanted to point out this is one of the better venues for avoiding that. Also since I want to make some kind of recommendation with every post itt, Sweet Eats is nice too.
>>10690449>>10690688I was the original anon asking for aesthetic recs and I’m sorry people were rude to you in response. Again price is no object. Nor is smoke. I honestly don’t even care about how good the food is… I want to go somewhere either cute or very elegant, with decent lighting I appreciate the recs you gave but they don’t seem to be based on the aesthetic I’m looking for. I don’t kitsch or dives
>>10690748>I don’t kitsch or divesYou're coming to the wrong city anon. I was honestly confuse when they announced vegas because 1. smoke is EVERYWHERE here and 2. There really isn't a lot of kawaii vibes here. Fucking Irvine or Boston has way more kawaii aesthetic options than here lol.
>>10690763The Paris & Venetian hotels are kitschy but good photo op spots for lolita. I think honest there's a lot of variety for backdrops here. Just not what that anon is suggesting here
>>10690765Venetian looks great thank you. Wonder why this meet is at the MGM when that hotel is so much uglier than Venetian
>>10690770Probably is cheap. Enjoy that smoke girlz
>>10690770It's obvious? This is a small first time event. Of course they don't have the budget for the venetian. I bet these are the same gulls complaining about the ticket costs kek.
>>10690970Is it more expensive? The MGM conference center looks a lot bigger
>>10691014Kek anon learn how to google. As of now: 1 night at the Venetian: $2701 night at the MGM grand: $42 'nuff said. Enjoy the smoking venue everybody.
>>10691198MGM isn't 42$. Maybe you guys aren't taking resort fees into account, that is extra 70$+The resort fees hike it up in Vegas. It's very tricky.
>>10691212Yeah, but the Venetian has the same resort fees and taxes. Look it up on Google and try booking.The point is, it's not at the venetian because they don't have the cash flow for the venetian and the MGM grand is far cheaper. And you get what you pay for here.
Can the lion at least get a lolita headdress
We all know this event is gonna go to shit. I’m sure some good drama will come of it desu
Does anyone know what day rinrin doll is hosting her tea party? She’s a guest at sin city anime the same weekend as royal vegas
>>10692848It’s not up yet but if I had to guess I would say Saturday
>>10690748There's the Hello Kitty food truck that everyone takes pictures at and it's cute but it's also a food truck.
>>10692848Kek. hmmm what a hard decision to make. Should I go to tea with rinrin doll or make sure I have time to see Lor and Jo. I'm actually dead.
>>10693310They just sell merch and prepackaged cookies and shit that turns your poop green from all the food coloring.
>>10689175do we know if they banned ero-lolita?
>>10693342No, just military i think.
>>10693377Not even military explicitly, just DW.
>>10693402You think its just DW but you know every smooth brain sees ALL military as nazi inspired. They scream and cry at every military coord on CoF. They even said it will be "defined broadly".
>>10693405I'm sure if someone shows up in non DW military or some camo set or Name of Guardian (idk if it's exactly military but visually similar to some) and there are no eagle logos in sight they'll be fine. The people who are overestimating how much drama there will be over these rules must never hang out with lolitas irl. If you're not wearing an intentionally racist coord (which obviously no one is) or DW you can relax.
Is the area near the dispensaries closest to the strip safe?
The schedule is up. Can't believe Avina has the nerve to think she can teach people about color theory.
>>10694167All I want to see is Kamikaze Girls on a big screen and the swap meet. Literally everything else, I couldn't give two shits about. Why are things even in different rooms if there's only ever one panel happening at a time, idgi
>>10694167AdVaNcEd cOoRDiNgnah but seriously is anybody going to these? on the whole list there are exactly two events I'll be going to.
>>10694176I'm guessing SF comm will show up for moral support, so probably 10-20 people at least. I can see impressionable newbies also attending.
>>10694176I'm confused, who the fuck wants to do a Q&A with Kuroshiro Kawaii?? They're not even designers.
>>10694234Also it’s just some dude who wholesales for third rate brands??? Like who cares.
>>10694224SF is nothing but holier than thou SJWs so this event is fitting for them. Birds of a feather.
>>10694267Yeah this just feels like a field trip for them t b h.
>>10694277of course that's what it is. what lolitas want to go to Vegas?
>>10694241It's a couple last I checked. They seem to have a good working relationship with some JP brands (including Meta, which I'd hardly call third rate, it's one of the big 3 sweet brands).
>>10694310I did, until I actually did. I even liked Atlantic City more. Vegas sucks. Worst vibes ever.
>>10694372I wonder if they're confusing KSK with LC?
>>10694277A big SJW field trip, topkek.
Know of any Korean cosmetic stores near the strip?
For Korean beauty products I’d try the Chinatown area especially Greenland
>>10694310I think vegas is fun but it's a horrible place to wear lolita because of the heat.
>>10694934Not to mention, all the drunk, horny men looking for prostitutes.
>>10694934It’s not going to be hot in November though...?
>>10694964>>10694934There's a lot of reasons why Vegas is the worst spot for this event.
>>10695045accuweather has it at mid 70s all weekend, that's fairly warm.
>>10695051>weather is perfect>still has to complain
>>10695052I'm not complaining, but that is fairly warm and it being November does not mean it won't be. Which was why I was responding to the person acting like it will be cold because November.
>>1069505270s is kind of annoying for lolita tho. 60s is better.
>>10695070Tf? 75 is perfect unless you want to wear long sleeves and a corset. Anything below 65 you need a coat You sound like a scrote, if you weigh what an average female does then high 70s is the most comfortable
>>10689175What happened with Tyler? Can someone please give me the TL;DR? I tried asked on another lolita thread yesterday about where she is since she hasn't posted in about 2 months. Please note I don't really follow her closely (I mostly follow Lor), so I don't know what happened.
>>10695051How obese are you?Also, the insides of the casinos are always nice and cool. I've gone in the middle of summer and not felt a thing until I went outside. They don't want people sweating at the slots.
>>10695104Mot obese, just northern, I guess.
>>10695104NTA but also a northerner and yeah 70s is warm for me. Not hot, mild, or cold. Just warm.
>>10695094no i just hate heat. sorry. atleast vegas is dry.
>>10695070>>10695113Same. Gothic life is annoying when it's high 70s and 60s is way better. Calling anyone who dislikes warmer weather a scrote is just idiotic.
>>10695087Hugboxing got her canned
>>10695087Shut up about her. Haven't you asked in five other threads already?
>>10695138No. I literally just asked about her in the one yesterday. To which not one answered my question. Sorry for being curious?
>>10697070I don’t know what it’s called but there’s an event discord. Maybe look for it on their Facebook page?
>>10695150For a good reason. No one besides a few comm members and her knows and it's none of your fucking business.
>>10689175I'm getting Las Pegasus Unicon vibes from this event. Whoever bought tickets is getting scammed. Why go here when there's a legitimate con with a tea party and Rin Rin Doll as a guest.
>>10697586Already met Rin Rin before so I'm good, but I know a couple of people who are going to both. Personally I'm in it for the swap meet and the movie showing. Not interested in "legitimate" cons if they're anime cons unfortunately, I want lolita exclusive events.
>>10697586Tbh I'm shocked noone knows about the girl running it and her track record
>>10697645Anon please do tell. I've heard a couple things but nothing too specific
>>10695150She had a miscarriage
>>10697696so? hope she's not trying to breed.
>>10697652Interested too. I'd like to know what mines I need to stay away from in the Seattle comm..
>>10697696Uh sauce on this? That's a pretty big claim as she's said she wants to be childless.
>>10697696As much as I dislike Tyler that’s her business. Like >>10697701 saidThat’s a pretty big claim to tarnish on her.
I jumped into here hoping to get a sense of what people are wearing and all I see is a bunch of whining. I'm new here so is this CGL?Anyhow, if you are ARE going, what are you wearing???
>>10697719>all I see is a bunch of whining>Is this CGL?Yes and no. This convention in particular has had some drama and the first two threads had the worst of it.
>>10697719Word of advice, if you want people not being passive aggressive to each other and complaining just go to Sin City Anime con down the street. This con is for the people who all really hate each other but for the sake of the culture it's just barely tolerated.
>>10697719>I'm new hereClearly. Enjoy your frilly dashcon, i guess.
>>10697701NTA but wanting to be childless doesn’t prevent accidents. I’ve been on birth control for about 3 years to control my periods from hell, and I still got pregnant. >>10697715Wtf anon? Having a miscarriage isn’t “tarnishing”. Still think that anon is trolling though
>>10697719I’m not sure what I’m wearing, it really depends on how bad the smoke smell is when I got there. I’m flying southwest so I get two bags plus carry on. I’m bringing some Yolanda and TaoBao just in case it feels like it might stink up my clothes.
>>10697775That was your fault. Even if you take birth control and had a minor inconsistence to renew your jab or daily pill intake,, you still use a condom. Hell use plan B contraceptive pills within the 72 hours of non condom usage in entercourse anon.
>>10697790it is possible to use all 3 and still get pregnant anon. shit happens.
>>10697796This. Knew someone who was told by doctors for years she couldn't get pregnant. Ended up getting pregnant.
>>10697796Sucks to be the .3%
>>10697790She may use bc like the ring, patch, or even an IUD that she used fine but there was a freak pregnancy. She also could have used pills, etc. perfectly and there is still the tiny chance of pregnancy even when used as directed and in that case the fetus is potentially fucked. Even if getting preggo was her fault the miscarriage is not. Miscarriages can happen even in well planned pregnancies in healthy women. All of this is assuming that comment was true though when it's a lie coming out of nowhere and there is little indication Tyler is super close to her comm (DFW/Metroplex area lolitas).
>>10697798It does. But it's possible. You can take the pill exactly as prescribed, use a fresh new condom that fits, and take plan B as soon as possible after, and still become pregnant.
>>10697799>Miscarriages can happen even in well planned pregnancies in healthy women.Very true. A lot of people don't realize that even though our are bodies are built to handle babies, it also is built to attack the baby since it's treated as a parasite.
>>10697790>That was your fault.why is it always the women's fault for pregnancy and not the man who, y'know, provided the other half to make a baby. Takes two to tango and yet it's only the woman's responsibility.
>>10697801Don't forget she has a penis too.
>>10697652She filed for bankruptcy
>>10697696>>10697801heard she bought 50 dicks off ebay and sucked them all, while we're at it
>>10697806I was THIS close to posting the exact same thing anon.
>>10697804I replied to the wrong nonny. Who cares about Tyler.
>>10697807if we're just going to continue to make shit up about someone might as well throw in the ol' classic
>>10697776I hadn't even thought of the smoke yet but that makes a lot of sense. Time to rethink what i'm going to wear.
>>10697728I'm not there for the con. It's just an excuse to hang out with my friends whom I haven't seen in 3 years. But if there is a ball pit, I will definitely take pictures in front of it.
>>10697817Make sure you get in there before someone pisses their thong diaper in there.
>>10697806Actually it was a 100+ pack anon
>>10697817You're also supporting a questionable host and rabid SJW guests by attending but you do you ig.
>>10695045Vegas is bipolar when it comes to November. I've been there when it's 90s. I've also been there when it's 30s. Just different years.
>>10697896Or she's just going to a convention that probably won't survive past this year to be around a bunch of lolitas for a getaway for the first time since the panini, it's not that deep. It's honestly just as snowflakey to freak out about SJWs trampling on muh freedom before the event even happens as the guests you're so offended by.
>>10697908sjws are a huge problem. they use social justice to legitimize bullying.
>>10697919This>>10697908It's not snowflakey at all to hate on SJWs, you moron. Literally people are not ok with you or others being all "MUH MORALS" just to cancel and destroy people's livelihood for some fuck that wants to virtue signal.
>>10697908You don't know what snowflake means, do you?
>a convention that probably won't survive past this yearI see this being speculated a lot but Nif has indeed confirmed that she’s not putting on the event again for at least several years after this. It’s safe to say this is the only time this event is ever happening, so the chance it crashes and burns is pretty high.
>>10697928I don’t know Nif personally but she seems like a train wreck Anyway did y’all see the paradiso announcement?
>>10697919>>10697921>>10697925I'm begging you all to touch grass. If you feel so bullied and offended, don't go. The grownups will be doing their thing getting smoke in their coords. Go to the anime con if your feelings are hurt that badly. Yes it's snowflakey as shit of have entire threads crying about SJWs oppressing you at a private event that hasn't even happened that no one is forcing you to go to. It's not cool what they did to Tyler, but I'm not over here feeling personally attacked on behalf of a stranger. Get a grip.
>>10697799Her comm is a mess rn desu
>>10697940Being a snowflake means you believe yourself to be a special individual from the rest because every snowflake is different. No one here is trying to be different from others, infact the arguments here are a call for normality. The SJWs you're protecting are the ones that are so overly sensitive special people that they made these rules because they get offended easily by small things, like yourself apparently.
I have never been to Vegas and retained a smoke smell in any of my clothing. Unless you yourself are a smoker or live long term with one, I don’t think it’s going to get stuck in your clothing.
>>10697940it's not about feeling bullied, it's that they have cult like behaviors. you need to look at the warning signs. a lot of zoomers use social justice as a way to be edgy and rebel and have the same gang mentality and violent tendencies that appear with those kind of groups. they are a cult.
>>10697949This. It's a cult.>>10697940It's snow flakey to cry about oppression when it's not happening just like SJWs do. What's your point?We make fun of SJWs because you guys have backwards ass logic to justify things, meanwhile doing the same hypocritical bullshit. Everyone can see it, but you brainwashed cunts. No one's crying about oppression but you dumb SJWs in a fantasy world. 'Adults' don't play pretend.
>>10697940>It's not cool what they did to Tyler, but I'm not over here feeling personally attacked on behalf of a stranger. Get a grip.>>HOW DARE ANYONE REACT THE SAME WAY I HAVE BEEN TO SJW SOCIAL MEDIA THIS WHOLE TIMEWait, so you mean like all cancel culture and SJW movements?Nice one. How is it being on the other side of the fence?
Since this event gonna be a shit show, can anyone recommend cons with good Jfashion events? The only one I know of is Tekko and I only heard of them because they got mana . Are there any euro cons with a good j fashion presence ?
>>10697940I'm out on the water so there's literally no grass for me to touch.
>>10697948This. Take a shower, wash your clothes. I had a high school friend whose parents smoked cigs indoors. Visited her house every day. My hair and clothes reeked of smoke every time I left. Just threw my clothes in the laundry and took a shower.
>>10697946I'm clearly using snowflake to mean overly sensitive individual throwing a shit fit over other people who run an event having different politics which is most of this thread. No one is "protecting" sjw or whatever the fuck and you sound unhinged like take up arms my sistern, the SJWs are coming to crack out heads in the pavement for dissenting to their agenda!>>10697949Ok they're a cult in your eyes. Don't go. Don't participate. Ignore people who you judge for going and move on. Call them out for their individual bullshit and hypocrisy if that's even a thing and you don't just have an irrational hateboner. The end.>>10697951My point is of you hate that behavior so much, why are you doing the same thing? Holy shit this is not some big brained concept. It's annoying coming from everyone.>>10697952I have no idea what you are even trying to say? Again, you hate boogeymen SJWs so much you feel entitled to do the exact same behavior you claim to hate to like...idk really show them? It's so annoying how they claim oppression where there is none so let me constantly complain about an event I won't attend and have no investment in for doing things I don't like.If only there was a safe space for everyone oppressed by the tyrannical SJWs...sounds like an opportunity to make your own even ladies! At least one military lolita coord will be mandatory for entry!
>>10697968>If only there was a safe space for everyone oppressed by the tyrannical SJWs...sounds like an opportunity to make your own even ladies! At least one military lolita coord will be mandatory for entry!Sounds like we have the runner of the event on 4chan right now. Hi fucktard. You know, whiteknighting your own event looks bad?Also the use of "safe space" concludes you're a retarded mess. I think the rest of us actually don't mind existing in society. Sorry we hurt your FEE FEES and your SAFE SPACE doesn't protect you.
>>10697968>you sound unhinged like take up arms my sistern, the SJWs are coming to crack out heads in the pavement for dissenting to their agenda!Quite the imagination you have for someone correcting you. Don't hurt yourself, you sound upset enough to have a heart attack.
>>10697976If it's not her then its def WF who is massive butt buddies with her.
>>10697977Agree. Anon actually sounds like a extreme leftist nut. The rates of mental illness is the highest within the extreme left.
>>10697968Child, you are on the wrong website. You know we're just going to laugh at you no matter what you say, right? You're not going to change the minds of anyone here and you're just proving them right with how upset you're getting.
Should I book tea at the Waldorf Astoria or the Bellagio? The Tea Lounge has a nicer view but the Petrossian has better decor. And if anyone has opinions on the quality of the food pls.
>>10697976I'm not even going to this shitshow, but I would love to read about it without having to sift through sewage.>You used a word that triggers me reeeeeeeeee look at the snowflake you must run it!!!!!!11>>10697977>>10697981I'm not upset though. Go on looking like retarded children over an event you aren't even going to. The fucking state of this board.
>>10698011>I'm not the retard, YOU ALL ARE THE RETARDOK dumb shit. I think if anyone looks dumb here, it's you. Enjoy your SJW con. I'm not going to believe you're just a random anon that doesn't use this board, 'just passing through' for no reason at all.
>>10698011>I would love to read about it without having to sift through sewage....and you decided 4chan was the best place to do that. Right.>Not upsetCouldn't tell, you sound very defensive in your posts.
>>10698011You have no horse in this race because you're not going yet you're this triggered? Nonny please. Sounds like you're one of the cancel-happy guests or Nif.
>>10697983Vegas Lolita here that has had afternoon tea at both places. Waldorf Astoria used to be the Mandarin Oriental & when my partner & I dined there, he swears he remembers paying $80 for EACH of us. I remember being the tea lounge area being on the 22nd floor of the hotel & it was awkwardly set up because it was just 'there' once you walk off the elevator (it's not closed off or separated). The sandwiches weren't served in the traditional style--one came in an odd waffle cone-like thing. However, I could tell that the food/desserts were high-quality. Keep in mind this was my experience several years ago, so it may have changed.The Petrossian Room (Bellagio) is a good venue for afternoon tea, just request if you can be seated away from the casino because the smoke from smokers WILL drift over. Otherwise, the price is more reasonable & the food was lovely enough. A short walk away, you can also take some nice photos/coord shots in the Conservatory (they change this area several times a year to fit certain holidays or themes).Other nice venues for afternoon tea that are off-Strip but not too far away are La Postte & Coffee Religion. La Postte is about 10 minutes away if you Uber & Coffee Religion is 20 minutes away. Both are also more reasonably priced & the food is nice.
>>10697586Admittedly getting RinRin Doll to guest at Sin City Anime was an impressive feat for a con that's only in its first year of in-person attendance. Last year was an online only event, so I don't expect too much from it either desu
>>10697957Seconding this request
>>10689655Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought RVR announced their dates before SCA?Anyway not sure why people are calling SCA a 'legit' con as someone else said it's only in its first year & has the same chance of being a shitshow also
>>10698127Tysm! I would pay $80 for a high quality tea, that's not unreasonable to me. I paid that much at the Peninsula and the patisserie chefs complimented our outfits and gave us extra special desserts so I'm biased but it's my favorite tea memory.>Bellagio ConservatoryIt looks like this is the theme of the Conservatory right now?! I'm going to wear some kind of mushroom coord here if I can. Super excited>>10698132I have tickets to Sin City Anime for the tea party but they don't even have their program schedule out yet when it's a week away...
>>10698132SCA is run by people who have experience and has clearly been organized a lot better. RVR is pretty clearly a near one woman show, and that woman isn’t particularly experienced or professional. Tbh it’s impressive how much she’s gotten done for rvr but rinrin doll is hard to beat. I live in the burbs so I got tickets to both.
>>10698132I think people see sca as more legit mostly because of the code of conduct at rvr being a dumpster fire. What kind of legitimate event says they won’t call the police in their coc? All politics aside, it’s a very weird thing to do, and opens up a lot of liability if anything were to happen and the cops weren’t called immediately.
>>10698177There was discussion about this earlier/in a past thread. It's a weird line, but I think y'all are reading that one line way out of context. It's in the same paragraph where they break down how they'll handle harassment. They probably mean: they will attempt to deescalate the situation by themselves, and report to the authorities as a last resort. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that if the harasser pulls a weapon or rapes someone, they're gonna call police. They don't mean "if someone has a heart attack, we won't call for an ambulance". But whatever, this thread isn't for reasonable arguments
>>10698175>>10698177Fair enough points.
>>10698187That's not entirely accurate anon. They said we will not escalate to police because the police are a direct threat to our guests. That reasoning is why it's super weird and unprofessional.
>>10698187>y'allIt's not reading into something, if it's not clearly defined. Creating rules needs to be elaborate, no loop holes, nothing left open ended. Do you not get that?So no, everyone has a right to be pissed and making assumptions about a "code of conduct" is fucking illogical.
>>10698187>>10698195on that note, why the fuck do you think every time you register for something you have to read a 2 pages long paragraph that you don't even read before hitting agree?How are you this dense?
>>10698187Again, it's also been mentioned before that they preemptively ban known harassers, bigots, etc (see also, Tyler) but seem to be all OK with allowing WF to show, especially after the click gate shit with Lor. IIt makes it abundantly clear they have their own rules and definitions on what is acceptable and what isn't and ti's 100% their own personal feelings/friends.
>>10698187It's clearly spelled out in their code of conduct on their official website. Stop with the "akshually they probably mean" bullshit. I can't understand why you're caping this hard for random cultist nobodies who want a crumb of attention from Wondercunt.
Fuck, wondercunt is gonna be there? brb cancelling my flight
>>10698422I would be embarrassed if my livelihood depended on wearing the awful shit that she has to. It wouldn't be worth it to live as a lolita """"influencer.""""DI tried to get me to drop a PayPal claim in exchange for them finally shipping my items way beyond the listed processing time the first and last time I bought from them. Like straight up textbook scammer behavior. And they only stay in business with Lor sending dumbass newbie itas to them like lambs to slaughter. Can we stop validating this clown?
>same days as Sin City Anime>go to Sin City Anime after my shift>game room doesn’t even have TVs setup for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
So how was the event?