Old thread >>>>>>10591734>Please read the FAQ before posting in the thread (always updating)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpDyjw2LDxbupdvHMNsBUOBVB66Lzwf44RM1You1GDA/edit?usp=sharing>Resourceshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10uNmynwRn6CRc-OMqCeXmJwCNnEnd-vYi-7AQzSx74I/edit?usp=sharing>Artist Spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ESQ-1h4IRUivbGNaxJFxXyDU1lSv26xTmMdH0sDX7sU/edit?usp=sharing>How to order from Vograce (now with video on how to set up files)https://docs.google.com/document/d/18UxKnpgrmeb82NnW5e4YIEX-eZ3zHt178Mp6i0A5gME/edit?usp=sharing>Convention List (always WIP)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13o7hD5xS3sDqVptnTVGUlRae3ovEE-vPPST_QOrQwtM/>IP taketowns (based on artists contribution, may or may not have been a one time thing, use as a guideline)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1696MDhNPhrZ0ySZhXkoJnGxb7l1OjW4JsVhu1wKvaWE>AA Inspo (thanks anon!)https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D19QV9nHwaY8AaNiEXZAAkEhkBTSsb01?usp=sharingAnime Expo has been confirmed to take place July 1st-4th next year. Do you think people will be too afraid to go to a convention given the current severity of the delta variant, or do you think many people will want to "return to normalcy" and it'll end up being a massive turn out?
From the last thread>>10660772> Before the pandemic, what % of your income was made through AA? Is there anyone here who totally lives/lived off of their merch?I wonder if a poll to this effect has ever been run here.For me personally I only took AAs as a bonus to my income, not a main focus. (Especially since artists alleys are getting harder and harder to get into nowadays especially) and I make all my income off of online fanart sales. It’s enough that I can support myself and another person and live comfortably. I’ve seen no success with Instagram and Facebook ads, but organic TikTok and Instagram posts have been my most successful.I get barely any followers from Twitter, Instagram is my main platform and I get the most engagement there. Unrelated I’m slightly dyslexic and these captchas are killing me lol
>>10660772I've been doing this full time since 2016, and ever since 2017 I have been doing fewer artist alleys each year. I was doing 6 or 7 a year at one point but planned to do 2 or 3 last year and this year before covid hit.It was ~50% of my income in 2016, but 5% last year and 0% this year. I still have a con in December that I plan to go to at least.I go to cons now for fun, not so much to make money since compared to my online sales, its a small % of my profits, even before covid. Actually, online revenue has really exploded for me this year
>>10660969My online revenue has also exploded, which I'm very grateful for, I didn't think it was enough to support anyone/thing to think about putting THAT much focus into it but after some thought I realized it could actually be a (low) salary on its own. With this year's trends if I were to calculate it in with my full time job it would make up about 30% of my total income. So I guess that's pretty good, I just can't take the volatility ha ha so I have zero plans of going full time AA/fanart.I do want to attend a con sometime when things die down (though maybe this is when everyone wants to get out and you make bank) but since I haven't been to one since about 2019 I have no idea how my performance will be...
>>10660969>>10661040My revenue also exploded late 2019 into 2020 but after April of this year my sales took a nose dive. Not a steady decline either a complete drop off. I don't know what the fuck happened. Been using the slow down to build more merch and organize inventory though.
>>10661199>but after April of this year my sales took a nose dive.June was a slow month for me, but otherwise, the momentum from March is still going strong for me.
>>10660772Artist Alley was 30-40% of my income pre-pandemic. I kind of made it up with online sales this past year. I do this full-time.
Is vtuber merch okay to sell/does it sell decently?
>>10663714>>10663714No. People do it anyway though.https://en.hololive.tv/terms
>>10663732Fair enough, so basically just like any other anime IPI was planning on just doing a few meme-tier items
Is it cringey to put anime conventions on a resume?
>>10663879depends on where you are applying to. Most employers won't care though since they will have no idea what it is. You'd want to keep it generic like saying you managed a merchant booth at festivals and conventions.
>>10663886Aaah yeah, I was struggling with the words to call it.I put something like "Sold Original art at artist convention, grossed XXXUSD over three day period" But managed merchant/artist booth is better way to put it
would art featuring a specific hotel/convention center step on more copyright toes than animu fanart? a bit concerned with the dragoncon carpet spoonflower thing
>>10663966probably. idk about art specifically, but in the photography world, selling photos of a building isn't allowed as building are protected under copy right as they are considered art.
>>10663966I definitely wouldn’t have the name of the hotel in the art.The dragoncon stuff happened in the early 2010’s and brands are a lot more aware of cosplay/fandom and what it can do for them
>>10663966Do something visually similar, but inclued a difference that technically changes it but leaves it recogniseable. So googling that carpet, I'd make the gold filler between the tiles silver instead, but a warm toned silver. So it's still realllyy clear what it is. Or, the patterns on the tiles are straight lines, so make them dots instead. It's different enough to be considered a parody but similar enough to be recognisable. Think of changing the yellow maccas M on a red background to a yellow W on a red background.
noob question. Do you guys put extra backings with prints in your rigid mailers to keep the print away from the edges, or should the rigid mailer be enough? paranoia coming in at full force.
hello! is there price differences between buying vograce on their website and buying it on alibaba? right off the bat the alibaba one seems cheaper, but im not sure since it doesnt take into account size. if any kind anon knows, do let me know! i havent made keychains is years and want to get back into them
old thread saged so can't reply and also it was literally like 100 days ago but I felt so intensely about this I had to say somethingbut to the anon asking if they can oil their wooden charms with a food oil like vegetable - PLEASE DON'TIt will literally go rancid, there's a reason that wood workers use the oils they do.
Does anyone having any experience with selling dakis in artist alley? There's clearly a market for them at cons with the bootleg stalls in dealers halls, but those also tend to have the selling point of being significantly cheaper than a fanmade one (though they also tend to be flavour of the month anime girls, and I'm looking at making male characters).
>>10665064The website is cheaper but expect your stuff to take 2-3 weeks longer. My experience is that if you want your stuff done faster message a rep on alibaba
>>10665294BoldEgoist on tiktok has dakis as their main item, and they give a lot of advice. I know I'd prefer a fanmade one with nice art and a higher cost over a bootleg with stolen official art, but that's just me.
>>10665294>I'm looking at making male charactersGod, I would fucking love this. Dealer's Halls ones are always waifus or traps. I'd be happy to pay a premium on a fanmade husbando daki as long as it has good art and doesn't fall apart after 1 wash.
>>10665294Male character ones tend to do fairly well but be prepared to get mildly harassed by neckbeards/dudebros who feels "uncomfortable" with you sexualizing their favorite. This usually doesn't happen a ton but cons with a higher concentration of male attendees will usually have at least one or two dudes come up to you and tell you that you're "sick" or whatever.
>>10665400This makes me sad to hear. The complete and utter lack of self-awareness of some sperglords is nothing new I guess, but still.
>>10665294One time at AA I saw a booth with bara dakis and there was a swarm around that booth specifically
I hope this isn't a stupid question, but do you guys know of any suppliers that also do dropshipping for an online shop like shopify? I'm trying to branch out.
>>10667057Shopify's app directory has a whole section of them.
>>10665328thank you anon! Ill take note of it when i place my order
>>10665294I knew someone whose main gimmick was selling male dakis, they sold more than her other stuff. Go for it.
>>10664034even if it's on public property?
>>10667679yep. A builder owns the copyright of a building just like an artist owns the copyright of a drawing. You can't make money off of someone else's designs, no matter what it is.
>>10667750>You can't make money off of someone else's designs, no matter what it is.
Does anyone know how to set up glitter stickers for vograce to look like this?(With opaque parts and transparent parts with color?)
>>10668134I don't know if they'll do it but foil is the service your looking for the stars.
>>10668134You could also ask Ocean who her supplies is politely/confirm if she'd be willing to share (some online artists are weirdly stingy about sharing sources sometimes for reasons like not wanting competition or to overwhelm their supplier,, but she's generally very nice)
>>10668275Thank you for replying. But that's holo glitter vinyl printed over with white, not exactly foiling(look at the star, there is a gradient) >>10668367Thanks to you too. I think they might have gone with Stickerapp(pic related) judging for the quality of the sticker. I found a video but I'm not sure if Vograce works the same way.I'm setting my files like they request their holo pin badges, I assume it is similar?
>>10667750>You can't make money off of someone else's designs, no matter what it is.Is this a joke? Do you know what thread you're in?
For those of you that are skilled artists (implying you’re probably an artist full time) what’s stopping you from becoming a vtuber? Anyone else considering becoming a vtuber?
>>10668394no, and yes? What do you think the 6th link in OP is about? By "can't", I mean legally without permission.
>>10668434ntayrt but you are fucking wrong anyway. copyright law is complex and there are many things at play, even just with the hotel and it has fuck all to do with anything you're talking about.
>>10668433I’d like to be one but my laptop isn’t powerful enough for streaming and I don’t have the cash to build a gaming pc with how expensive gpus are these days.
>>10668433You do know that being a Vtuber requires more than just the art, right?
>>10668438Why even bother replying? You've added nothing of substance. Just going around saying something is "complex" doesn't make you sound smart. You have to actually explain how it works.Its a gray area, but people's creations are covered under copyright, so you can't copy someone's work too closely.
>>10665346>>10665356>>10665400>>10665849>>10667459Nice, thank you all! It's still like a year til the next con, so time to get drawing!
>>10668514It's not a grey area, you just have no understanding of copyright law or what the law issues are.
>>10668529just repeating a variation of "you don't understand" multiple times just makes you look like an idiot.
Does anyone have resources for good pin banner manus? Similar to pic related.
>>10668378I wish more places had swatches on specialty finishes
What are some ways to show your gratitude towards your table assistant/helper?My sister agreed to help me out at a con coming up, and it’s going to be a long day, so I want to show my gratitude for her helping me throughout the day.
>>10665400>be prepared to get mildly harassed by neckbeards/dudebros who feels "uncomfortable" with you sexualizing their favoriteNta but that sounds hilarious. I’ve seen so many good male dakis too.
>>10669991You probably know your sister really well so maybe you know of something she needs/wants? What is your budget for this show of gratitude?
>>10669991buy them food
>>10669991My partner helped me with my most recent con the entire time and I made sure that I paid for all our food and snacks, along with covering half of his travel costs. I would've covered all of it but he insisted on paying for some, so ymmv on what you think is appropriate.
>>10669991Buy her food 100%, during the con and maybe take her out for something afterward
anyone doing connecticon in 2022? I want to sign up but the growtix page has the 2021 banner
>>10668433I still have the tiniest bit of self respect left.
>>10671388They do in person renewals first Sunday at con. Once the show gets all those set in, they will list the additional space online. I’d email them to ask when it will swap over.
>was offered a table at NYCC. Decided to accept it because I figured it’s a good opportunity to rub elbows with other artists, editors and/or publishers.>My day job is “temp” graphic Designer/production artist. I’m told I’ll be brought on full-time soon>Realize I will have to take off from my day job on Thursday and Friday. >May have to also take off the Wednesday before since that’s “move in” day and hours to set up are only 8-5I haven’t told my boss I will be off on those days yet because I’m worried they’ll cancel last minute with the lack of panels, guests and big vendors.And not that I have to give a reason for taking off, but it’s suggested. I feel weird telling my boss “hey, I need to take off on these days because I’m selling at New York Comic Con”. It’s like basically saying “Hey I need to take off from work to make money somewhere else”.I’ve been working since February and have already taken off 5 days since. I have to take off for one day this week, and I also have to take off for a Friday wedding on Oct 1, which is the weekend before NYCC.Will it look bad if I ask my boss that I need to take off 2-3 more days the following week? And what reason can I give for taking off? To say to my employer I’m selling at NYCC might look iffy.
>Revenue since May plummets and hasn't recovered>No engagements on instagram or tiktok despite posting consistently and even sucking instagram's dick and using their whack ass tiktok knock off>Manufacturer delaysGo on without me I may not survive this year
>>10671513TF kind of job are you working that taking 5 days off in 7 months is controversial?Idk where you work or why you would even need to go into detail about why you need time off. You could always say it's personal or a family obligation. It's not their business what you do off the clock unless there's some conflict of interest with you selling in AA in general while at that job.
What’s the best way to handle people asking for details or “advice” about your manufacturers? We’re not talking about key chains and sort of run of the mill stuff, we’re talking about fairly complex manufacturing requirements that in the industry you would typically hire someone to navigate for you. Over the last several months I’ve had numerous dms asking me about the specific composition of my fabrics, my manufacturing contacts and to give them advice on essentially how they might produce competing products. I’m not trying to be a dick, but I’m also trying to figure out the best way to explain that it’s kind of inappropriate to ask an indie brand to share that kind of info. Is it just me? It is generally considered rude to do that no? Some of them have some *very* specific questions about my manufacturing process gives me real pause as my business is growing quickly.
>>10671611There are some people in the AA who will share their contacts and Pantones even, but I also watched one of those chain mail dudes tear somebody a new asshole for asking where he sources his raw materials. I think it really depends. I’d never share my info with a rando, but I might share it with a close friend starting out. I don’t think it’s a dog eat dog world, but at the same time it is a competitive market, and part of the artist alley growing pains is learning to research and sort out the good from the bad in materials/manufacturers etc.
>>10671611When people ask me about producing fabrics, I direct them to spoonflower. Yeah it's not high quality fabrics, but if you're DMing someone asking about where they produce their items, likely you won't be able to afford the minimums for the manufacturers I use. Which is what I tell them, in nicer terms.
>>10671634Bouncing off anon here, honestly no one will know if you tell them a more well-known source/say you go’ed with a friend. Ie I usually direct people to vograce for charms. Might not be so simple in your case though. Is it a little disingenuous? Maybe, but also no one is entitled to your sources. You can share if you want to, or gently tell them no otherwise. If they get mad, so be it. Not your problem.
>>10671611>It is generally considered rude to do that no?A lot of people are unable to grasp the concept of competitiveness, if they catch me in a bad mood I tell them that I have business consulting available for X amount of money and they usually fuck off.
>>10671673This. Like I’m not trying to cut throats in the AA, but I’m definitely not giving anyone my advice free of charge if I have any reason to believe that they’re trying to replicate what I’m doing. I make a very specific type of item and I distinguish myself by using the best materials possible which I’ve found through years of trial and error, and several hundred dollars down the toilet in testing inferior materials. Why on earth would I just casually tell someone where I ended up? All the time money and effort I spent finding it isn’t something anybody else is entitled to, especially if they’re going to cut into my sales in any way.
>>10671611Oh I regularly tell people to fuck right off. I get hate messages all the time about it, and people have called me out for not “supporting the community” because my business is quite successful (~150k a year). It’s like it’s never even occurred to them that the reason why my store does so well is because I have put in so much work into my sourcing and contacts and because I don’t make that information public because it’s a fucking business not a community non-profit. I can’t think of a single normie business that would ever in a million years share any of their sourcing/supply chain information.
>>10671513With COVID it seems irresponsible not to tell them you're going to a large event if you're working in-person. If you're WFH and feel obligated to give a reason, just say you're visiting family/camping/etc, something that would require a long weekend. Otherwise, seven days off in ~8 months is pretty normal, I really wouldn't stress over it. Most studio jobs get 10-14 days PTO minimum (at least in my area).In design/production, shows/tabling might not be a weird concept to them. I let my boss know as a freelancer that I typically did 4-6 cons per year, and they were totally fine with it. You could try to explain it as more art-focused than money-focused, but plenty of designers also have side businesses.>>10671673Has anyone ever taken you up on it? I feel like for a certain price, I'd pay for a supplier source for new/complex products desu
>>10671691>Has anyone ever taken you up on it?Exactly once, and it was a girl who was into it as a hobby thing and who clearly had more money than time/willingness to fuck around with suppliers.
>>10671691NTA but even if people paid I probably wouldn’t do it. I was quoted at ~3k in development costs for a new product through a guide and just opted instead to go trial and error. I spent about $600-800 on my own sorting things out, and it took a few months but ultimately it made more sense for me to go directly to different places.
>>10671611>What’s the best way to handle people asking for details or “advice” about your manufacturers?"no">>10671673>if they catch me in a bad mood I tell them that I have business consulting available for X amount of moneyI actually sell a tutorial on how to make my stuff, and I also sell the supplies too. Lazy rich people buy the product I make, while poor creative people buy the instructions and supplies to make it themselves. If your the best in your field, you don't really have to worry about those people becoming competition.
I accidently ordered the wrong size charms (way smaller than they should be) and can't have them remade without spending money again because it was my fuck up. Would selling them at a very very low price to recoup costs cannibalize the sales of my normal sized charms? They are a series of charms that have to match in size and the restock only has a limited amount of characters.
>>10671904If you didn't want to directly affect the sales of the full-size charms later on, you could sell these ones in discounted blind bags. If you wanted to move them even faster you could put multiple in each.
>>10671691It is a WFH job. I’m sure my boss would be fine and actually be hyped if I said I was taking off because I was a featured Artist at NYCC because he knows I have an illustration background. I guess I just feel weird saying I’m taking off from work because I’m selling artwork at a convention.I’m still only a “temp” employee which means I get no PTO or benefits. I clock into ADP to get paid hourly and clock out when I’m not working.
>ordered 25 zines that are a complication of my inktober pieces >I decided to order them at size 8.5 x 11 because the original art pieces were done on 9 x 12 paper and are inked and colored with copic marker>realize I should’ve ordered them at a smaller sizeI figured a larger sized zine would show off the details of my art pieces better but now I’m thinking no one will buy them because they’re big.How much would you charge to sell an 8.5 x 11 zine with 31 fully colored pages?
>>10671953Isn't that just like a normal A4 book size? You should be fine, I don't think it's "too big", specially if you can see the texture and such of the artworks.
> "I got into x convention but I'm not sure if I should go because covid uwu"Then why the fuck did you apply? Quit wasting everyone's time and just don't apply if you're that spooked.
>>10672242not sure who you are replying to but applications are usually months before a con and the future of covid is uncertain, so its hard to make that decision months ahead, and there is no loss from applying, seeing covid is still bad in the local area, and then not accept the artist table.
you gulls realize you are losing customers when you tell people they can't take photos of items at your table, right?
>>10672262no, just scan the qr code and stop being entitled. i don't want to sell to you anyway if you're like this.
>>10672266What do you mean no? Its a fact, when you don't let people share your stuff with their friends, you lose sales. If your too sensitive, just say that, don't act like its not a detriment to your sales.
>>10672282lol no. i don't need you in the way of actual customers.
>>10672262> implying your business is that important to me
>>10672282Kek entitled. Your business in particular isn't important.
>>10672262A convention one time had to tell the fedex on site not to let people print at them because people where taking pictures of artist's prints and printing them out at the fedex.
>>10672244Yeah plus a lot of cons grandfathered you in from the cancelled rona cycle. I’m questioning rn whether it’s worth my costs/time to follow up with several cons I have a seat from before Rona. Can’t decide if attendance will be higher from corona deprivation, or will be abysmal/cancelled last minute. My items are pretty high cost so if they cancel I’m really fucked financially.
>>10672282You know. They can buy it. Then take all the pictures they want and share anywhere they’d like. Art theft is unbelievably brazen at conventions. It’s one of the reasons why I stopped selling art altogether and switched over to crafts.
judging by the people who got in VS everyone who got waitlisted, Katsucon AA 2022 is just going to consist of furry and Tumblr-tier art lol
>>10672322>>10672358what does it matter if someone takes a photos to get it printed themselves? You really think your "no photos" sign is stopping them and making them instead buy a print? The vast majority of people taking photos are doing so to show friends or family to make purchasing decisions. I'm a craft artist, people *regularly* take photos of my table or even video call with friends to help them make purchasing decisions. You gulls must have absolutely terrible artwork if you are blaming "art thieves" as the reason you can't make money at cons. You lose money from driving off customers wanting to share your art with friends, not when someone takes a photo to print the art themselves.
>>10672392>I'm a craft artistThat’s why your opinion doesn’t matter. I don’t allow pics at my table and never have and I regularly sell out. Customers who can’t understand why it’s rude to do that aren’t customers I care about. I already have trouble meeting demand, I’m not going to bend my long running rules and allow things I’m not comfortable with to try to pander to the 1/10 people who do that and *might* actually buy something.
>>10672357>if they cancel I’m really fucked financiallyRelatable. I’m actually really worried that I’ll order a ton of shit and then one or more cons get canceled over some stupid local surge among people who couldn’t be bothered to get vaxxed.
>>10672394>things I’m not comfortablewhy would you possibly be uncomfortable with it? The worst case, unlikely scenario, nothing bad happens. Best case scenario, you make money. Its not different for a craft artist or anyone else.
>>10672396NTA but lots of people have a problem with pics at their table in part due to privacy concerns. Stalkers, weirdos, sjws who are tryna put you on blast for drawing character x whitewashed “skinny washed” or whatever. Most of the artist alleys I do have a full hall policy of not allowing photos. Many dealers also don’t allow them because they’re selling counterfeit merch or don’t want you to be able to price check. There are tons of reasons beyond art theft why people don’t allow pics.
>>10672401>Stalkers, weirdos, sjws who are tryna put you on blast for drawing character x whitewashed “skinny washed” or whatever.practically every artist has public social media though, so that makes no sense to be ok with social media but no photos at cons. Also, a no photos sign won't stop those people from taking a photo anyways.>Many dealers also don’t allow them because they’re selling counterfeit merch or don’t want you to be able to price check.sounds like a selfish anti-consumer reason to me.
>>10672262>not having a business card with fitting examples of your table goods on the card
>>10672441anon wants to bootleg prints, don't reason with her.
>>10672441We do all have a business card. anon is just a cunt who probably wants to steal products or ideas. I have a OR code print out for people to scan that goes directly to my shop so I don't even cater to business card tourists anymore.
>>10672450One thing I find mystifying is that of course the artist alley is a great place to get ideas for new products but like if you need to take pictures it’s probably because you’re trying to clone those ideas exactly. A good friend of mine on the circuit sells plush hats and people try to take really detailed photos all the time to try and rip off her patterns. Especially grandmas/moms with a modicum of sewing experience who are trying to convince their kids not to buy since they can “make it home”
>>10672404>practically every artist has public social mediaI have social media but it’s not associated with my real name/face. After a friend of mine got doxxed for drawing a Steven universe character “too thin” I’ve been way more cautious about how much of my personal info is out there and associated with my art.
>>10672500I've had the same issue with moms trying to blatantly steal ideas. I decided to ban a local from buying my crafts because she was disassembling them and trying to recreate them with polymer clay.
>>10672506God that’s so obnoxious. Even normie craft shows typically ban any photos for exactly the same reason. I both craft and have my things manufactured at a larger scale in China. All my manufacturer needs is some specific pictures of what you want and they’re happy to fill in any blanks. So when I see people turning and inspecting something while taking pics it’s a big red flag. Also, people who pick an item up, take a picture of them wearing it or holding it, then not buy it are just so tacky.
>>10672506At least she was actually buying something. Most of the time when I deal with this it’s Karen moms with no intent to buy who both insult my crafting while also blatantly attempting to steal said craft idea and promise their kids to make them one just like it.
>>10672509Every normie show I’ve ever been to bans photos of the actual crafts and those ladies will tear you a new asshole for anything that seems remotely like you’re trying to replicate their work.
>>10672441I'm not sure how a business card relates to this>>10672450Anon, if the only reason people take photos of a booth is to steal the artwork, why do people take photos of craft artist booths?>>10672500>but like if you need to take pictures it’s probably because you’re trying to clone those ideas exactly.Anon, if I wanted to clone people's ideas, i'd just go to etsy or pick up a business card and look at your products online. I genuinely do not believe for a second you have ever had an artist alley table if you don't think the main reason people take photos is to share the photos with friends to help with purchasing decisions. It is so common for me to see at my table, that you either have to have never sold in artist alley or are just a terrible artist that gets no traffic.>>10672504Someone willing to dox your over a SU character doesn't care about your "no photos" sign. Its like a "no trespassing" sign, you are only keeping the honest people away. To say you do artist alley, while also saying you you don't "associated with my real name/face" makes absolutely no logical sense. Unless you are wearing a full face mask while selling at your table, you are absolutely associating your face with your art.
>>10672589>if the only reason people take photos of a booth is to steal the artwork, why do people take photos of craft artist booths?see >>10672509 >>10672506 >>10672500>>10672517
>>10672589Have you not ever actually been a seller in the artist alley? Every single person in my friend group has had some variation of art theft/pattern copying. Even if the intent isn’t to reproduce it, it’s still pretty fucking rude to take pictures of someone else’s work for your own enjoyment and not compensate them. We’re not talking about Disney or a major company here, we’re talking about individual artists. It’s like standing there for an hour enjoying a street performers music without putting anything in their case, it’s just tacky and rude.
>>10672517This. In my hometown there’s actually like a sort of farmers market set up for crafters specifically and photos aren’t allowed in the entire building. This isn’t specific to artists in artist alley being dicks. Hell in Japan you’re not allowed to take photos in pretty much any retail space, artist or clothing.
>>10672589>To say you do artist alley, while also saying you you don't "associated with my real name/face" makes absolutely no logical senseMy day job is in financial management and I do the artist alley for fun. I wear cosplay, and don’t associate my real name/face/contact info with any of the work I do in the AA because I know it would have an impact on my day job. It’s not that unusual. Only a handful of people I know actually use their real name anyways. With the amount of crazy people frothing at the mouth these days it’s understandable why people would want to have at least some minor layers of anonymity.
>>10672631>Every single person in my friend group has had some variation of art theft/pattern copying.and how does banning photos at con prevent that, exactly? If they want to steal patterns, they'd just take your business card and look at your stuff on your shop later.
What are you all using to sort your stock at home lately? Specifically charms. I've got a good amount of designs and used to use holiday ornament organizers but I want something more vertical and easy to access.
>>10672698I use a sock organizer. It’s pretty handy for sorting small things if you’ve got quite a few.
>>10672633Even normie businesses often don’t allow this. Try taking a bunch of pictures in a jewelry store and see where it gets you
>>10671953A4 size should be fine, although I’ve noticed in general that people like to buy smaller sized prints, zines, booklets, etc. i guess because they’re easier to carry, cheaper and you can make a fun wall collages with small prints
>>10671948 here again.>>10671691>seven days off in ~8 months is pretty normalI already took 3 days off in June (for my wedding) and 3 days off this month. This October, in addition to NYCC, I will need to take off Friday, Oct 1 for a wedding out-of-state, and I am scheduled for wisdom tooth extraction surgery on Friday, Oct 15. I just realized that’s 3 fridays in a row I’m taking off. Overall that will be 11 days off within 9 months. I could always push my tooth surgery back if it seems like too many days at once, but I already pushed it back once.Sure this won’t look bad? On a positive note, I was finally offered a full-time position. It doesn’t start until Nov 1 but I get PTO days. What sucks is I’m still being paid the same rate when I was brought on in February.
>>10673410FFS you are fine and if you just got promoted, your job obviously does not have a problem with you taking a normal amount of time off for normal things. Are you ok? You say you got married but you sound underaged. Did your husband give you permission to go online?
>>10673410Literally nobody asked for a life update
>>10673594Wrong thread anon.
those of you who sell genshin merch, do you find that your genshin stuff does well compared to your other stuff or is the competition too steep? (i know this is subjective and dependent on art but just looking for insight)
How many of you sell and make original work? Does it sell well?
>>10673911Genshin hype is gone, unless you’re really well known it’s going to just waste your time.
>>10673408I now want to see a table set up like a dining table with an artist that sells food accessories merch.
Hey all, I’m new to making charms (only made prints before) and I was wondering what’s a good size for them? I notice a big range between 1 inch to 5 inches and I mainly just want to create 1 character or 1 ship on a charm- is 2 inches reasonable for that?
>>10674149I used to set up my table like an afternoon tea when I sold sweets deco crafts. There are probably pictures of it floating around.
I’m the type of person who hates carrying shit and I hate relying on others. What’s the best and most efficient way to transport my supplies/display stuff/prints when using public transportation? Like, what’s the best luggage?
>>10675543I was thinking of getting one of these rolling briefcases for my art prints/zines/comic paper/drawing tools. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083GH3L2N/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_61Y4SX7FRJSE1P055MQY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1and then a bigger suitcase for table fixture/display units. Thoughts? Or is there a more efficient way of carrying everything?
>>10673996Does your stuff suck? I did a con last weekend and sold out of almost all of my genshin stuff
>>10675543You could probably ship it to the con/hotel too.
>>10675543If advise you to go to tj maxx/marshalls/burlington and get a nice 360 roller suitcase from Samsung or something. You won’t find nice suitcases that cheap anywhere else. >>10675803I would never in a million years do this with the issues I’ve had with ups/usps/fedex. Betting your weekend sales on a us mailing service being on time and the reception not fucking it up is not a gamble I’d take.
>>10675885Seconding TJ maxx for suitcases and organizers too for that matter.
>>10675885>I would never in a million years do this with the issues I’ve had with ups/usps/fedex.I've done it a few times ¯\_(ツ)_/¯only with half my merch though, since I had room to care the other half.
>>10675948NTA but my sales are mostly online and while I’ve rarely had any problems with individual orders to my customers I have problems with bulk shipments of product literally all the time. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever had one that wasn’t fucked up somehow.
>>10675974In my experience the heavier the package the more likely it is to get fucked. I guess it’s because there’s less motivation or energy to deal with a 59 pound box if it’s inertia is already in the wrong direction. I never have issues with my plushes and lighter items. But every bulk print order I do (40 pounds or heavier) there are problems. I can’t drive because I’m legally blind so I invested in some damn good travel and packing gear and I’ve done alright. Never hurts to Uber either, that’s a business expense after all.
Got any bad customer stories?
>>10676026More like bad non-customer stories: >I could make that at homeThen do it>$20 for this?!? I can get it cheaper over thereThen buy it from them > itS mY bIRtHdAyHappy birthday. You still have to pay for your stuff
>>10676026Kinda non-customer like >>10676076>My dog just died, can I have ___ for free?No.
>>10675974>>10675975I've shipped over 200 bulky boxes (16inch cubed 6+ pound) over the past 2 years and only 2 of them got lost. That is a higher rate than my light weight ~4 ounce packages I guess but not by much.I worked in a fedex warehouse for a year and its easy for a small package to get lost, slipping underneath a truck or rollers or something, but I have no idea how a large package gets lost, so its always odd to me when it does happen. Only time we'd "lose" big packages is when the shipping label falls off or got damaged.
>>10676026I’ve had countless people try to take pictures of my work and then leave. Not really a customer, but I’ve also walked into a con and seen another vendor selling my art on their t shirts.
>>10676166Did you do anything about it? Being there in person with proof ought to scare em at least.
I've taken pics of people's work at cons but it's always just to show my friends or ask if they want me to grab it for them.
>>10676026Had a set of two books (part 1 and part 2) on my table. Someone stole my display copy of part 1 by leaving part 2 open across both display stands so I wouldn't notice right away. Then they came back the next day and stole my display for part 2! I've since started defacing all my display copies with permanent stickers and pages removed from the end. Fuck the audacity of that person in particular though.
>>10676166Dang. Idk if it’s actually you but I have a friend who found her art on t shirts in the dealers room. As if their truckloads of bootleg goods weren’t enough. >>10676808Wow that’s a new kind of trashy. What a fucking tool.
>>10676026I had a customer scam me for a $15 item kek and claim a non-receipt chargeback even though I literally handed the item to her at the convention.I also get several complaints about my prices every single convention I go to. But I almost always sell out so I never bargain with hagglers and then they get kind of snotty and try to pretend like they didn’t even want the item to begin with.
>>10675462I think 2" is about standard, yeah
>>10673911i think the issue with it is that there's too many characters. I want to see prints with character groups (knights, event stories, animals, whatever) because if someone tries to do a print with all the characters, it'll get crowded fast.
What are people's thoughts on custom keycaps as a product idea? I think they would be very cute but a pain to have made.
How many keychains and stickers do you guys get made?I do well selling online and am doing cons for the first time next year, but I have no idea how to stock for an in-person event.Thanks for any help
I’ve had a few people claim that their “delivered” letter mail (via etsy) have not been received lately, and luckily they’re all stickers so actually I don’t have a problem replacing them. But is it bad form to just refund or resend without question? I don’t wanna come off as “yep you can scam me anytime” but I also don’t wanna make a huge deal about a $3 sticker…are there questions/procedures I should ask first, even as a front? For reference etsy marked them delivered over 2 weeks ago in both cases…
>>10677078I always re-send it since it's no trouble but if they make it a habit I would just refund them and refuse any future orders.
Who else is at PDX geek craft expo? How are your sales?
>>10676166May I ask how you handled this? I’ve also seen vendors selling my stolen artwork as well…
>>10677138Not that anon, but take pictures of the offending items and go straight to the con's management. The very least they should go is get the vendor to take them down, best case scenario they will get banned.
Ok. So I have a friend who is trying to start in the artist alley to make some side cash. I agreed to help her out and kind of show her the ropes. She helped table a convention for me and I helped her with the application process and stock etc. I noticed her inventory is starting to look a *lot* like mine, and she’s not tracing or stealing my work, but she’s made versions of all my most popular selling prints that are pretty damn similar. Like same characters in the same poses and concepts. What do?
>>10677477Sadly these things happen the best thing to do is make your product better. In the age of the internet people get "inspired" by other peoples work all the timeIn less advice get better friends
>>10677477I mean you don’t own those poses/characters. It sucks but the AA is pretty competitive and people do this sort of thing all the time. I agree with >>10677491 get gud son.
>>10677491To be fair, people copying your ideas from the internet can’t generally see your sales numbers first hand and target y oh r best selling items. >>10677477But yeah anon get new friend wtf
>>10677477If it makes you feel any better my old table mate stole my pattern for tentacle hats then had them manufactured in China and undercut my prices. It happens. On the surface the artist alley is pretty chill, but you don’t have to look far to find cut throat behavior. Still sucks tho.
>>10677477People I’ve known who do this kind of thing usually end up abandoning me after I help them. I’d drop them asap and stop helping them. They’re using you.
>>10677477>Like same characters in the same poses and concepts.So, just like every fan art artist?
>>10677739This. Part of the artist alley growing pains is learning the tricks of the trade. I’m not rude, but I don’t give out info or “help people out” with their tables/branding concept.
A con I am attending is doing the bare minimum for covid. Only asking for masks. No vaccination cards or tests for the staff. Given their other responses I am considering backing out.
>>10677799If you’re high risk probably should. Otherwise you’ll be fine.
>>10677799Tbh masks probably won’t even be enforced based on this
>>10677799Then don't go. It's time to divide up society
>>10677824>this I don't trust them to actually enforce the mask rule
just got waitlisted for a con I usually go to every year. Should I save hope or just write it off? It's pretty rare to get off the waitlist no?
>>10677974Getting off the waitlist is probably less rare now since some artists are still hesitant to attend cons even when they get accepted. I've gotten off a waitlist twice before in the past.
>>10677977Thanks for the hope anon! I just hope they’ll give me enough time to stock up at least a little bit.
>>10677974Even with the pandemic its best to write it off and look for other events. I feel you, I got wait listed for my usual con in 2020 and wont be able to apply again until 2022
>>10676995Keebs are becoming a really popular hobby thanks to Tiktok but imo they're not worth it for AA. They take a long time to make (unless you're getting them manufactured, in which case it's still expensive), are easy to steal, and not what most con attendees are looking for/interested in.
>>10677799depends on the size of the con and where its at. A big con in the south? Back out. Small or medium con in a blue state? It'll be fine.>>10677974>It's pretty rare to get off the waitlist no?Not at all. If you do get off the waitlist, it'll likely be within 1 or 2 weeks of the acceptance/rejection emails being sent out. If someone gives up their spot, its usually either soon after emails are sent out or the day of or before the con. I've been waitlisted a few times and then accepted very soon after several times.
Is anybody else getting totally shafted by the electricity rationing in China? I have a convention next weekend and my supplier basically just told me that due to the rationing they can’t get anything done. Fucking ccp ugh. Any advice on last minute fill in goods I could have in hand in a week or so?
>>10678253No anon your def not the only one. I was supposed to get fabric printed for some of my work and they said the entire province cannot accept orders due to environmental restrictions. Now basically my only option is spoon flower or trying to get it from another country but j doubt I have time to sample and quality check. I feel bad for my manufacturers because they’re basically not getting paid at all rn. There are some us based sticker and pin companies if you google. They can probably get it done in time. Maybe even keychains if you’re lucky
>>10678253Jfc thats why my shipping jumped from 132 to 190 USD
>>10678261Rellllaaattaabblle my factory just told me that shipping is now ~$390. I was quoted at $240 at the time. Apparently the restrictions are because the local government officials will be fired if they don’t meet eco quotas. Ironically factories have now started using diesel generators which are wayyyy worse but technically don’t count in the numbers.
>>10678253You almost certainly have a local print shop that can do a variety of goods on the quick. I’d start there. Expect to have fewer customization options though, there really isn’t a lot of infrastructure in the us for this sort of thing.
>>10678259Honestly if you got refundable tools, I’d drop out and pass it onto the waist list if you’re totally fucked.
>>10678253Jesus I haven’t ordered anything recently so I was wondering how that would mess up our stuff. Are we all fucked for the holidays? There doesn’t seem to be any foreseeable end for a while…
>>10678475If you order now your stuff *should* be ready but the ccp is really unpredictable and periodically cracks down for no real reason. You can filter by country on alibaba and find other suppliers that aren’t having this issue.
>>10678253>Schedule my time to have new merch done for convention and submitted so I can receive it in time>Confirm with manu the time and if they can accommodate it with at least 2 weeks buffer time>Suddenly this shitI swear to god you Winnie the Pooh looking ass fuck fence if my shit doesn't come here in time because of you! FUCK THE CCP
>>10678253oh no, will this affect Vograce too?>tfw I made an order with them 3 weeks ago and no reply of shipment yet.
>>10678778Yes, it effects all of the major production provinces. >>10678774Fuck the ccp indeed. For a whole host of reasons.
Gonna go to Fantasy Basel in Switzerland next week.Does anyone if you have a clue how to handle customs?I found this page, but I'm too retarded to fill out the documentshttps://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/information-companies/declaring-goods/importation-into-switzerland/temporary-importation/zavv.html
>>10678778Can confirm, my vograce rep said that the power is cut for 2 days a week now TT
Anyone having issues with Etsy changing your ship times? My items are made to order and take 1-2 weeks to complete. Etsy has been marking me as late after the first week. I don't want to change it to 2-3 weeks because I feel like that will drive away buyers.
Do you prepackage your prints in cellophane sleeves before selling them at a table? Or do you keep them unpackaged incase a customer wants you to sign the print or write a personal note?I think for presentation it would be nice to pack all my prints in cellophane and leave them out for customers to just pick up and buy, but I’ve had instances where customers wanted me to write a note on the back to their kid or friend.
>>10679549Maybe put them in the sleeves without sealing them…?
>>10679366Etsy can lick my asshole.
Do you hand sign your prints on the front or back? All my prints have my signature embedded in the original artwork.
>>10679551No idea why people still use them
>>10679366yes. and they keep deleting my shipping profiles. all my listings are ruined.
>>10679551Is there a story here or…?
>>10679551this ^>>10679588I still make a lot of money there, but i've been slowly rolling back over the past year and a half. I make more money on my shopify shop now, so now I rely even less on Etsy. Might close my shop after this holiday season.>>10679366>>10679589I've not had these issues, thats crazy. I just have two profiles, and both list that I ship in 1 - 2 days.>>10679594Not that anon, but I could write a novel of all the bad things added or changed in the past 3 or 4 years...tl;dr Etsy is trying to be the next Amazon and treating sellers like we are amazon too. Amazon offers free shipping, so Etsy sellers need to too! So Etsy punishes sellers who don't offer free shipping since, well, if a billion dollar company like Amazon can offer free shipping, why can't you guys?? And lately they added a "star seller" program where they punish sellers for getting 4 star reviews. If you get 94 five star reviews and 6 four star reviews in a month, Etsy considers you a bad seller and will demote you in search rankings. Only people with 95% or higher five star review average are good sellers.
do people actually buy stickers? I've always passed on them because everyone throws them in as freebies and it makes me feel like they're disposable
>>10679796I buy stickers
>>10679796I buy stickers if they’re unique and nice quality. Basically if it can be printed at staples I’m not buying it. But if it’s vinyl/holo/foil? Sure
>>10679594Etsy has basically made it impossible for me to sell on their site anymore. Anybody else get hit with the whole holding 75% of your revenue until they can determine that your sale doesn’t infringe in any copyright?
>>10679796The stickers I sell are vinyl and high quality, my freebies are paper stickers (still nice but not nearly as durable, and much cheaper)
>>10677003The number one thing I look at is how many do I need to sell to break even?So it'll really vary on what your price point is and what your past sales numbers are like. The number I've always heard for prints is 10 of each design but I sell patches and I do double that for most of my designs
>>10679913Haven't got hit with this yet. But I've changed the Etsy payouts from once a month to once a week now. Just in case they seize my store & funds, I won't be at a huge loss.
>>10677974I get accepted off waitlists pretty often, but usually just RIGHT before the event happens (3 weeks before, or sometimes even just a few days before) If you live locally, just make some extra stock just in case they accept you last minute. But if you have to fly, personally I don't really bet on it since flights are going to be too expensive to even care (unless it's a large large con like AX)
>>10680306I once had a friend get accepted friday night of momo-con, so she got the table for saturday and sunday. They made her pay full price for the table too <.<
>>10680306flights are usually cheaper closer to the event though
>>10680412Prices usually skyrocket 24-48 hours before flight.
>>10680412this is only true at very specific algorithm timeframes and not worth fucking around with right now. Book far in advance, a lot of carriers are extending flight changes even on nonrefundable fares.
my mom is dead set on making food to sell at craft fairsshe's never made these foodsdo I talk her out of it?
>>10680785Pretty sure she literally can't sell food without a special license?
>>10680785Best way to learn is to make mistakes.>>10681137this is true
Does anyone use these? Are they good or they will fall off?
>>10665294I think we need more mecha character dakimakuras. Some classic /m/ characters on a daki would be cool. I'd love to see a Gundam or Votoms pillow.
>>10681525Say no more I will do it.
>>10681525Smashpansy has a Char
If you get a package returned to you, do you follow up or wait for the customer to? I feel like I should say something but every time I’ve gotten something returned no one has ever complained that they never got anything lmao
>>10682061send an email saying the item was returned to you, and if they don't reply after a month or so, just keep the money and put the item back up for sale. Thats what I do.
Does anyone have recs for places that do die-cut sticker sheets? Every place I look only does individuals. US based preferred unless someone has a really trustworthy Chinese source.
I've been drawing seriously for a few years now and want to apply to table at my first con next spring. Will be going with a friend who has some sticker / keychain designs, whereas I would be doing prints. What's a good minimum number of different prints to have ready for con time? I have a few works I could sell as prints currently but would like to just make a bunch of new ones since I'm a bit better at drawing now.
Do I have to pony up for the premium wifi if I want to take card payments?Do some people split the price between booths?
>>10684291Where is this? Make sure it'll accept more than one device before you decide to split.
>>10684295AWA at the Cobb Galleria
>>10684291$195? Really? That’s insane. It’d be far cheaper to tether with your own devices.
>>10684299You should be able to just use your phone's data in that building. I've never had an issue there with the Verizon network but ymmv depending on your cell carrier.
>>10684291Just go to your local library and borrow a wifi hotspot.
>>10684586Wait, that’s fuckin awesome. Nayrt but very time I think I know a good chunk about what I can do with my library card i learn even more cool stuff. Love.it.
What are the chances of ALA getting cancelled so the tables roll over again? I managed to grab a spot from this morning but I'm not sure I want to go anymore considering the covid spikes that are guaranteed over christmas and new years. They didn't have covid precautions information posted anywhere.
Are all those anime car peekers and shit that have gotten really popular transfer stickers or just regular weeded vinyl stickers?? Ive had people ask why I dont have the sheet that goes on top of them but aren't those only for lettering vinyls?
fedex says they delivered my 400$ restock package. no package, and they didnt get a signature from my partner who's work from home. im shidding what are the chances they just goofed and marked it delivered early? i don't know how to deal with fedex international claims
>>10685246It’s called “transfer tape” and it helps with ease and accuracy during application, so transfer tape can be use for all kinds of stickers and not just for lettering.Most vendors include the transfer tape, hence customers expect it or ask for it. Some customers don’t care or are smart enough to make their own transfer tape (by just using regular tape but stick the tape to their clothes first to weaken the adhesive).
>>10686563Fedex has been marking a lot of things as "delivered" to me and then turns up a day or two later. The driver decides not to deliver for some reason but probably gets penalized for missing the date so they lie. So your package might still turn up. But you should complain anyway because they need to knock this shit off.
>>10687082Something really screwy has been happening with FedEx's logistics - they backed out of being the carrier for one major preorder I was a part of (regular retail stuff) and they've been getting screwed over by places like Ikea sending them pick-up shit without tracking numbers. I've been watching one package literally crawl over from Maryland to west coast since 10/4. Absolutely not surprised that they're fucking around with international shipments on top of this.
>>10686563>>10687082Every delivery service except for USPS has done this to me at least once in the last 2-3 months. A lot of delivery companies are getting hit with an influx of packages because people are gearing up for the holidays + the regular shit ton of packages that people are buying, but delivery companies still expect drivers to deliver at the same rate as when there isn't a rush. I feel bad for the drivers because they're held to such a high standard but it's annoying as fuck to see something get marked as delivered only for it to not be outside. Even my Amazon Prime packages have been getting delayed for days at a time now so I've been stocking up on supplies instead of waiting until I desperately need to restock.
>>10687128To add to this - I had a lyft driver tell me about when he owned a FedEx fleet (turns out you can franchise this shit), and he actually had a driver quit in the middle of a route, leave the truck running in a shady ass neighborhood, and obviously by the time he was able to get to the truck it had been cleaned out.
>>10685246bro if you have to ask this many questions just give up.
>>10687129>I feel bad for the drivers because they're held to such a high standard but it's annoying as fuck to see something get marked as delivered only for it to not be outside.I'm the same way, every time they fuck around I remind myself that if I had to do their job I would hate my life, but... This is the whole POINT of tracking. To tell the customer when the thing is here. It's like they think the tracking is exclusively for Big Brother Amazon to see if they've delivered on time or not and not... for the customer to make sure they get the item they paid for.
It’s my first time moving out of the artist alley and into the dealers room. What should I know? Are there any major differences? Any body have any advice on how to set up a larger booth? I added a lot of tees and hoodies so the artist alley was getting too tight but idk how to set up my dealers room booth.
>>10687800I can only comment as an attendee but imo vertical displays are the way to go and then having ppl pick the design and size from the wall. I’ve seen artists try to put their goods on racks and while it looks nice from outside of the space, it makes it difficult to shop since you can only put so many designs/colors out and only 1-2 ppl can browse a rack at a time. Ofc still have some samples on a table so people can see the print quality and feel the fabric though.
Bad idea to do sports team parody merch?
Have any new US-based companies popped up for acrylic charms and stands? I know Chinese companies are better/cheaper/have more materials/etc but with the backup in customs and shipping in general I'm willing to overpay if the shipping time is shorter.I know about Inkit, Chillypig and AcornPress but I can't even tell if these places are operating anymore. I know StickerMule does them too but StickerMule can eat my ass.
>>10688752Ink It and ChillyPig are still active and they're consistent about keeping in the turnaround times listed on their websites. I haven't heard about Acorn Press for over a year though.
>>10688752what's wrong with Stickermule? haven't used them but always heard good things about their stickers
>>10688843The main reason people hate them is cuz their founder is a trumpie. but in general they have low quality products that isnt just their plain vinyl stickers ESPECIALLY their charms
So how's the uber/lyft situation right now? I haven't ridden one since the end of cons at 2019 but I hear normies complain all the time about hailing one. Are things that bad?
>>10688769Glad to hear they are still moving along, so thank you. If only their options weren't so limited, I had hoped there was a US place I missed that did holo or glow materials. At least the gumdrop palette is cute.
>>10689287The cost of taking Uber has doubled where I am (SF Bay Area). Took a Uber last week and a ride that used to cost me around $20+tip ended up being $44+tip at a non-peak time. Lyft is even more expensive. Also the carpool option is disabled on both apps because of corona, so your cheapest option has automatically been thrown out the window. If you’re gonna uber to a con, stock up on food, water, etc. and bring plenty of backstock with you because traveling around is gonna cost ya.
>>10689287Where I'm at the pricing isn't too bad, but I routinely lose rides because of lack o availability. I haven't seen anything like it since college. I went to a small school in bum fuck nowhere and ubers were never availability.
Thoughts on tip jars? Personally I don't see the point of them at cons lol but I'm curious about what you gulls think.
>>10689365Tip jars? For what? What are you sucking dick in the aa kek? This is stupid imho.
>>10689365Tip jars are and always will be stupid unless you’re busking or something. Learn how to price your goods to make money, relying on a tip jar is probably the only thing more cringe than “I’ll draw your face for $1”
>Guy I'm dating is getting in conventions cause he is also an artist>Is practically asking me to spoonfeed him everything he needs to do/buy instead of doing a lick of research.
>>10690689Do you want a bf or a leech? How long have you known this guy? If you are just getting to know him, it's hard to know what his intentions are, but err on the side of men being heartless douchebags that don't care who they hurt to get what they want. Unless you had a lot of mentorship and spoon-feeding while you were getting established and want to pay it forward, there's no reason he can't put on his big boy pants and figure out some things for himself.
>>10690690I've known him for a while, went to school with him and he's not taking advantage of me but damn he is practically asking me to send him a link to everything instead of using google for basic things. I dont mind helping him out but it feels like im holding his hand through the whole thing.
>>10690691>not taking advantage of me butAnon. if he's asking you for every little link then he's taking advantage of your experience. You're basically working two jobs here. One as your own business manager and the second as a full service consultant for him.
>>10690691Anon, I dated a guy I spoonfed and wrote emails for during the entirety of our shitty decade-long relationship. This type of man doesn't get up one morning and decide that he's suddenly self sufficient when he's been handed this shit the entire time. Learn from my retarded mistakes and cut this shit off sooner than later.
>>10690689Did he decide to do conventions on his own or did you push him to do it? Have you told him you don't like explaining things? He could just think you like helping him, especially likely if you are the one who encouraged him to do artist alley to begin with.
anyone else find it amusing how 90% of cons don't actually check who enters the loading zones? Seems incredibly easy if you don't want to pay $60+ to enter the artist/dealers room, you can just enter for free through the loading bay.
>>10691458... What kind of cons are you going to? All cons I've gone to check AA/Dealer badges and they don't let people through the loading zone once the actual con has begun.
>>10691463I've been to nearly every con in Alabama and Georgia, and a few in Tennessee. Only momo-con has someone at the entrance of the loading zone checking people in. Every single other con I have been to checked people in after you already inside the loading zone and inside the building, but they weren't checking for badges, you'd have to go look for the table to get your badge (which is annoyingly hard to find sometimes...).
>>10691477How was the unloading process managed at AWA? I'm going there for the first time this weekend and have heard mixed things about the staff management
>>10691869Well, loading in, some guy wanted to fight me and security had to intervene and take him somewhere else. I didn't understand why he was even so upset with me, I was just minding my own business.Loading out, I, along with 10+ other cars were waiting to enter the loading zone, but turns out the truck in front of the loading zone was actually empty and to enter you needed to drive around it (into the other lane) to get in. So a bunch of people were waiting for nothing.
>>10691477Lmao what are you even talking about? All cons I've been to in Georgia have someone by the loading dock entrance at all times.>>10691869For the most part it's normal check-in procedures. Drive up to the loading bay, they give you a certain amount of time to check in and drop off your stuff, then you park elsewhere and come back to set up. If you're not driving you just come in through the main entrance and tell staff you're in the AA and they'll guide you to it. I've done AWA for 3 years and check in has always been pretty much the same.
anyone got experience with ordering vinyl toys? wondering what the process is for those and if its better to source from a china manu or possibly some america manu (and hope they arent a middleman for china anyways)
hoping to branch out into cons from just doing online, do you need liability insurance for all cons or only specific ones?
>>10693125Why would you need liability insurance for any con?
>>10692859Every merican manu I know of is a chinese middleman. That can be helpful in some ways. The biggest problem with vinyl toys is your minimum order quantity is going to be like 3000 pieces or more. >>10693125 As far as I know you don't need liability insurance for any con?
>>10692859Like >>10693322 said, every American manu is just a middleman for a Chinese manu and the MOQ is really high. The absolute lowest MOQ I've ever seen is 1,000 pieces, so you'd have to be a well-established artist/brand before that becomes something you should look into producing. The cost of producing vinyl toys is also high because you're not only paying for the figure but also the boxes, inner packaging, and any inclusions like stickers. Prototyping is also expensive so be ready to spend $$$$$ unless you're bold/retarded enough to take the risk of jumping right in. If you just want to make do a short run, it's better to model it in Blender or another 3d software of your choice, get them 3d printed, and then hand finish them. It's a LOT more work than just sending a file off to a manu but your MOQ is 0 and you're not spending like $10k+ on a single product.
>>10693325I'm >>10693322 but another alternative would be to pay for the mold casting to be made, and then handle making them yourself. You'd need to have some skills, but you could get the mold for a pretty low cost, and there's plenty of studios at home and abroad that can make you a high-fidelity mold.
>>10693331low cost by comparison to a full production run anyways.
>>10693325>>10693331you could also 3d print a model and then make a mold of that
>>10687128Tbh if you want reliability, go with DHL or UPS. I don't think they have sub-franchises with contractors.
>>10693305>>10693322some craft fairs require it
>>10693977no they don't. are you retarded?
>>10693977>>10694014Maybe anon is right IDK. IDK about yall but I'm pretty exclusive to conventions because craft fairs seem more like spaces for grandmas to sell their knitting.
>>10693977>>10694014Friend of mine once did a larger booth at a mainstream show and they did require some weird bullshit like this. Dropping the R on anon for this seems over the top.
>>10694014Some cons require vendors over a certain size to have it. Iirc Fanime requires those vendors whose booths are equivalent to 2-3 booths to have liability insurance.
ACEN requires liability insurance lol
>>10694014Long Beach Comic Con also requires liability insurance. At least they did the last time I tabled there.
>tabling for the first time along with a good friend>they tell me they're hoping to make over 1k in profit>have no idea how to break it to them that we're probably barely going to break even considering the amount of merch we have and the amount that went into investing into everything for our first timeWe both researched a ton together and pretty much everyone says to not expect huge profit on your first event, I have no idea if they forgot, didn't notice, or are just that optimistic...
What's the best way to self promo? I'm not a bad artist, but I've never been very popular because I've had a fear of drawing attention to myself (whole other can of worms) and I only ever really draw my OCs. I've been having several people lately ask me if they can buy my art anywhere, even if it's just of my OCs, so I'm thinking it's finally time to branch out, and I'm getting over my fear too, so I'd appreciate any advice on how to draw attention. Any platform is okay, I mostly use twitter but I've heard good things about insta and tiktok.
New to posting here. I tabled for about a decade before the pandemic, and always found manus through expensive trial/error & word of mouth. I know artists don't like sharing manus, totally respect that. However since the pandemic, I have far less to spend on research. I used to print wallscrolls, but the manus I used either closed or used unsatisfactory thin materials. My aa friends group doesn't make them, so no recs there.Is there anywhere you guys go to find new reliable manus, other than just throwing a dart at the alibaba search results and pray?
>>10696370Bite the bullet and order samples from a few manus. Pick the best one
If your art is distinctly westernized and has the “western anime” look to it please just fucking stop. Stop clogging booths. Stop drawing. Self immolate. picrel
>>10696400Unless you were born in Asia or spent a considerable amount of time there as a child, the influence of western media on your impressionable brain was too much to draw anime exactly like an Asian person would. Don't be so elitist, I agree a lot of it looks like shit but enough of it is charming and it's not my business what they do so who cares.
>>10696406just ignore the bait.
>>10696414I'd unironically believe it's not bait and just sperging from someone with no talent. Not the first time it's happened here.
>>10695418One of the biggest things that's helped me is I schedule all my posts at the beginning of the week. Then whenever I get on during the week, its just interacting with other people or posting WIP. That way I'm not stressing about putting up content continually. I've noticed that sometimes my WIP gets a lot more love than my finished pieces.
Western anime art styles are pure soul.
>>10696406>the influence of western media on your impressionable brain was too much to draw anime exactly like an Asian person would.this is the most retarded shit i have ever read.
>>10697005I’m begging y’all to stop replying to obvious bait.
Has anyone here ever been in a situation where you were sharing a table and your tablemate was strongly outselling you or vice versa? If it caused any drama, how do you deal with this situation from either side?
>>10698016I haven’t had this happen while sharing my table, but I did have issues with massively outselling a neighbor. I had some great timing with my Genshin designs and customers were basically flooding my table, and obvs were taking up some space. I tried to be good natured and orderly about it, but my neighbor was a total dick the whole time and kept trying to haggle my customers away. I felt bad but I got my friend to help me during peak hours so we could handle all the customers. Tbh I think it’s just an awkward situation you have to try your best to be curteous about. If it’s a friend maybe offer to treat them to some food.
>>10698016It really depends on the personalities of the people involved. I've been in this situation and it was fine, I had more experience and a better setup and they kind of just came along for fun, so it was no big deal. Since I made so much more, I offered to cover the table cost for their half since it was kind of a bust for them.Just don't gloat about it and don't throw a pity party, you don't even need to acknowledge it if you are outselling them. If they start getting upset still then it's a "them" problem. Every event is a learning opportunity and even if you do badly, you can always come away from it with valuable experience. If they can't learn that then they're just going to keep banging their head against the wall doing the same thing and expecting different results. No one is entitled to sales just because they paid a table fee.
>>10697005I want you to list me 5 artists born and raised in the west that draw anime like a Japanese person would.
>>10698144Wooperfuri (Canadian), Namiekun (Australian), Spencer Wan (American), Ken Arto (French), Henry Thurlowe (American). Just off the top of my head, those are the more currently popular and successful ones I could think of.The thing is, most of them assimilate into jp culture online by actively trying to speak Japanese or just straight up getting jobs in Japan, and most of them are asian or halfu.
>>10698149>most of them are asian or halfuAnd there's the kicker, having that culture around them would naturally influence it. Also, Namiekun and Spencer Wan styles are obviously westernized, Namie less so but it's obvious when you look at the faces.
can we stay on topic and not ruin this thread by fighting about pointless stuff, please?
>>10698159Spencer Wan literally worked on Boruto.
>>10698159>Namiekun>the faces are OBVIOUSLY westernizedanon you're seeing things
>>10696400>picreloh yeah no I'm sure that Indonesian artist has a very Westernized style compared to yours, and is clogging the booths at the same cons you go to
>>10698241It rides a fine line but you can tell.
>>10698162I swear newfags can't stop falling for obvious bait. It's like how Twitterfags can't ignore trolling and will fall for trolls every single time.
I've not got a hotel for a con since February 2020, only attended a few local cons since then. Now i'm looking into hotels for cons next year and ????? hotel prices have nearly doubled since then? I'm looking at hotels for 2 cons and compared to the price of the same hotel and same room bought in 2019, its over 50% more expensive. The nearby hotels aren't much cheaper.It just me or anyone else notice hotel costs are way up? These are two different cities i'm looking at.
>>10698312Travel industry related prices have all shot up because hotels, airlines, etc. are expecting people to start traveling soon again. I was originally going to go visit family in early October but ticket prices are 1.5x-2x what they were pre-covid.
>>10698312Pandemic casualty. Everything travel related is crazy expensive besides flights. I found a good airbnb nearby to one of my cons so maybe try that?
>>10698326Both cons ended up having special hotel rates which were surprisingly cheap. The normal rate to the hotel I just booked is $354 per night, but the con rate is $157. Right next to the con and cheapest rates within 10 miles other than low budget motels. The other con had cheap hotel rates too. Normally the con rates aren't really that great, maybe slightly cheaper, but rarely cheaper than a hotel slightly further away.
>>10698020One of the first times I tabled, my tablemate outsold me by quite a bit (understandable, honestly). They offered me snacks during the weekend though, and I haven’t forgotten the kind gesture. I don’t think it’s any sort of obligation, but being nice goes a long way.
It pisses me off that more and more art markets/craft fairs/artist alleys are letting in artists that just trace their products. This “artist”’s entire shop is either traced or are really shitty art that looks like it was drawn by a 10 year old. I have no idea how they’re able to get into shows when almost all of their products have obviously traced art, including traced Sanrio.
>>10698443>picrel is their untraced art
>>10698443these look like they're duplicating a reference by sight, not tracing (it's like a molecule less disingenuous, and a valid way to improve some sight related skills -- see the "copy a painting upside down bit by bit" exercise -- but still not the kind of thing that belongs in AA or really for sale at all)
>>10696469Sorry for the late response, that's actually interesting. I use my twitter both for art and personal ramblings, so I suppose that also may be a blocker to me gaining attention. My pinned tweet has my portfolio and links to downloadable game content I've made but nobody will follow if they just see me being crazy all the time... Might be better to just remake and lock my current twitter to keep as a personal. Also that's so true about WIPs LOLLLLL there's just something charming about them though. Sometimes I like my WIPs more than finished pieces.I've come back with another question though, how much detail does a print need? Is there a print inspiration board I can look at? When I create illustrations I try to include as much as possible and make it as dynamic as I can, but I'm just very used to drawing my own OCs and I feel like it'd get very draining very quickly to draw the kind of stuff I usually do with characters as complicated as the ones from Genshin Impact. I don't want to decrease the quality too much since I hold myself to a certain standard and wouldn't feel right selling a product I wouldn't want to buy myself, but there's a limit on how much labor people can do, y'know?
>>10698550>characters as complicated as the ones from Genshin ImpactYou could always put them in casual outfits, as long as their hair, color scheme and accessories made them recognizable.
>>10698551Yeah, that's true. I had some ideas for that that I thought were cute and would resonate with anime fans, though later on I do wanna keep making more prints and I genuinely like Genshin and it's popular, but I don't want all of them to be in casual settings. Though I suppose the answer to my own question will come when I get that experience.
>>10698443IDK this person but it could just be that they're really bad at digital art. I'm a textile artist in the AA but I draw as well. My digital art is actual ass, and my drawn on paper art is pretty good. Even with a tablet/iPad I just cant get used to drawing on a screen, so I digitize my paper art to print on things. The bags look like a digitized sketch, where as the digital drawing was clearly done on clip studio or something.
>>10698443kek what are you so mad about? They got 30 likes and have less than 300 followers, and that's with the fact that they sell for acdc rag and other taobao stuff. What are you worried they'll compete with you? Did they get in somewhere you got rejected or something? You sound all bent out of shape over this literal peon, so I'd guess you're probably just not very good either. If you were, these kinds of regretsy shops wouldn't bother you.
>>10698558NAYRT but table saturation is a major issue at cons, too many showrunners have more AA tables than their con's size can actually sustain, so people highly prefer cons who have some kind of selection process and table cap and take art quality into account.I'm of two minds about the issue. On the one hand, the tables going to people like this isn't going to be a detriment to skillful artists. On the other hand, nobody wins when AAs are bloated, and if this artist got into a con anon is referring to as having an apparent juried selection then something's not great about that particular jury's standards.
>>10698576I think the amount of people doing digital prints/buttons/stickers/whatever is massively disproportionate to the amount of people making totebags with recognizable characters on them, so the jury may accept this person over an artist with a similar following but is much more talented just to have variety in the alley. It would definitely sting though to see this artist get in while you're waitlisted though.
>>10698557I'm not even the one who posted it but how could you possibly think the disparity in appeal between the bags and that Learn to Draw Manga-ass girl is just from discomfort with digital tools? The artist has no idea how to place features on a head when they have to do it on their own. Digital tools don't make you lose the ability to see when things look that wrong. It's obvious the Sailor Moon and Jujutsu Kaisen are referenced from preexisting drawings.Also that's a very recognizable Sailor Moon image to boot.
>>10698443not traced, just heavily referenced. i get the sentiment tho.
>>10698578NTA but I'm on the jury for two large regional events and I still work on the artist side. Artists selling prints/pins have an advantage in the selection process because we have to keep the dealers happy. Any artist applying to the AA with items that might compete with dealers (t-shirts, bags, too much licensed character stuff, etc.) is pretty routinely dinged. Any con worth going to is also pretty strict about copyrighted images and bootleg dealer merchandise. Unfortunately we can only directly control one of those things so the scrutiny is pretty heavy on artists.
>>10698680That's so interesting, anon! Do you mind sharing a little more info on what goes into the jury selection process?
>>10698558I think it's more that they're more likely to invoke ire of broad copyright strikes on everyone because their work is barely derivative?
>>10698691Not that anon, but in my judging experience that's absolutely true. Cons make way more from their dealers than their artists, so they bend over backwards to make sure the dealers have a good weekend. It's part of the reason why so many cons now heavily restrict even just general fan art. Dealers are also pretty vicious behind the scenes. They absolutely set prices ahead of time and have a very competitive atmosphere, even if after they'll all go get drinks. There's a lot of politics that goes into who gets selected, and people who have worked the alley before generally have a huge advantage. Do be polite though, we had a table we rejected the following year after they had been incredibly rude to staff. People don't realize that at most cons the people who volunteer behind the scenes to select artists are the same ones who check you in, so if you're being an ass we will remember you. The biggest tip I can give you for getting in is having a good social media following. Any con, big or small, is happy to see that someone can boost their engagement on social media and get the word out more, especially since most of us on the selection committee are also working in other areas of the con.
>>10698558sounds like you’re the bothered one here. why are you so mad that a fellow artist doesn’t like work that’s almost a 1-to-1 copy of the source material when media companies are trigger happy with c&ds?
>>10698776well one of these anons went out of their way to post two screenshots and include handles. IMHO fan art shouldn't be allowed in the artist alley anyways. You shouldn't be allowed to make your whole living by leeching off of someone else's art and the whole thing is legally grey area at best. The artist alley should be for original art and creations only because the whole thing is a slippery slope. Either way, I can't imagine this "artist" is even selling any of that crap anyways.
>>10698775This is really interesting and confirms a lot of what I thought happens behind the scenes during the selection process. In addition to social media following, do things like the artist's style (e.g. more painterly or semi-realistic) have an impact on how likely they are to be selected, since there are trends in art style too? What about the proportion of fan art to original art they sell (assuming this is a con that doesn't require artists to have a certain percentage of original art at their table)?>>10698779How well does selling only original art do for you? My art is half original/half fan art right now but I want to begin selling more original stuff because I don't have time to keep up with different series nor do I want to be involved with fandoms as much anymore. Also I checked that artist's socials and it turns out they do have sold out art products. Shocked that people are actually buying this crap.
>>10698779>IMHO fan art shouldn't be allowed in the artist alley anyways.As someone who loves the fan creation scene of comiket and other themed fan creation events that originated in Japan, I half disagree. I don't think people should make their living off of fanart, and in jp many fanartists just break even or work at a loss, but getting rid of fanart entirely would almost be completely opposed to the original point of anime conventions; being a fan and sharing that with other fans. I'm hypocritical in saying this though, because right now I'm mostly doing fanart, but I also wouldn't be opposed to cons being more strict about how much fanart a table can sell or how much they profit from it.
>>10698779>IMHO fan art shouldn't be allowed in the artist alley anywaysbased
>>10698847I would not throw in with the "no fanart for sale camp but I really wish that western fan merch worked a bit more like Japanese, where it was done mostly out of love and the price points are just so the artists can make their costs back; original merch is then something they can sell for more money. I'm trying to transition in that direction and make the fan merch in smaller quantities or lower amounts than my original stuff, though of course this is difficult. It just seems precarious to be pulling in significant chunks of income off established IPs that could clamp down at any second. The tolerance of fan merch in Japan is probably linked to the fact that doujin artists are not usually making significant profits.
>>10698827Art style isn’t as important individually, but collectively we do like to have some variation in styles. Having said that, high quality images of your work is the most important. There are plenty of artists who do traditional art, but then have the worst photos in the world so we can’t even judge them.
>>10698972So you'd just like us to all work for free then? The thing is, Japan has nationalized healthcare and more stable costs. Artists rarely if ever have the AA as a full time job here in the US anyways. People make fan art in the AA because that's what people buy. It's that simple. Original work never sells as well because it just doesn't have the same draw. I sell tons of keychains and art pieces from characters that the big brands don't think are popular enough for merch. Artists bridge the gap between things the publishers thinks they can sell 100,000 pieces of, and obscure or minor characters that I might sell 80 pieces of.
Uh I might be Uber late but did AX/Fanime sign ups happen yet if at all? Or are they all rolled over?
>>10700380AX is supposedly rolling over from 2020 but they haven't sent the new registration email yet...
Canadians: Otafest 2022 artist alley applications are opening this weekend