Last thread:I was thinking about Good Luck. Where did this brand go? Where did it come from? It's one of those brands that only ever appeared a couple times in very early GLBs (ex: heavy maple syrup) before disappearing forever. I'm guilty of loving their lacemonsters
>>10660755dropped the last thread fuck: >>10643899
Give me a theme for a dump :)
>>10660760I recommend this song. It’s my personal theme for taking a dump because they say “deuce” during the chorus.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUevY6uH4Qg
>>10660760Would love some natural hair inspo for old school
>>10660755>was thinking about Good Luck. Where did this brand go? Where did it come from?Good Luck never really was a brand but the same type of pseudo-sex shop as Bodyline that then started to sell lolita, very shit quality too.
>>10660959This. They made a couple of semi-iconic lacemonsters (I own one and I do love it), but they aren't exceptional in any particular way.
>>10660954There's a small gothic dump in the last thread
What is your old school pet peeve?
>>10661327that most 'old schoolers' these days make the same 4 coords amongst themselves because that's what old school looks like. The whole reason looking at old street snaps is fun is because there's much more diverse types of styling, but you'd think the fashion was fucking dead in the 90's-00's the way the popular old schoolers dress
>>10661333The difference is that street snaps are all of different people so the variety isn’t constrained by what an individual person has in their wardrobe
>>10660959Ah. That explains it then I guess. Wonder where they came from though.>>10661115i'm about to get one of their lacemonsters myself (and i love it as well, no shame) but I always wondered about what they did and what they were much like "heavy maple syrup". You see them once or twice then they disappear, forever, and they have no info on the internet. Makes me super curious
>>10661333>make the same 4 coordsif youve been in the fashion long enough, this is so freeing
>>10661333It's because people get torn apart these days for experimenting the same way street snaps did. When they do a more experimental coord, they might not even bother posting it online.
>>10661517I think so tooMany coords you see in street snaps weren't as "polished" by today's standards,they included mismatched or seemingly random items or were purposely lacking a blouse, a petti or a headpiece because that was more practical for daily wear. Those lolitas didn't worry too much about coming across as ita either while these days you have people breaking down over the fact that their whites don't match because that might get them posted into the ita thread. I'd argue that there's quite a few deeper issues that make everyone "look the same" or rather: afraid of experimenting.
>>10661563I feel like its conlitas and photolitas that are afraid of being posted to the ita thread. Daily lolitas just dont care because they know what works for them
>>10661563Probably. Nowadays neither of them would be able to get away with those bags; everyone would say it's ita and not cohesive.
>>10661363>I always wondered about what they did and what they werethat's what archive.org is nice forhttps://web.archive.org/web/20060411180047/http://good-luck.jp/
>>10661571Girl on the right would be torn apart for short, flat hair, no headdress and cheap socks.
>>10661588bless you anon, may your packages arrive quickly and without extra charges
>>10661333ngl i am a boring basic bitch and i love my samey coords. white cotton eyelet lace blouse and white lace topped socks for almost every coord is so comfy and i love it. but i get where you're coming from.
>>10660760handmade items (preferably main pieces)
>>10661333Imagine having an enormous wardrobe just to make they-all-look-the-same coords
>>10661333All the oldschoolers I follow post diverse coords
Looking for more kamikaze-girls vibe/inspired shots
Any examples of capsule wardrobe for old school?
>>10661725noice, except for the logo on her chest killing it, still nice though
>>10661611I also actually intentionally buy similar looking pieces because I like the way one look looks on me, I'm more talking about 5 separate people all with the same looks because they're emulating a really small number of more the polished street snaps. But for individual people, I'm totally in the "isn't that the same dress I just bought" club
>>10661824spill the names nonnie
Why is it so hard to find black x ivory striped socks? I don't even need them to be brand, it's just borderline impossible to find striped socks that aren't shitty fetish socks from amazon.
>>10661841Probably because they're out of style and never became enough of a staple to e part of the old school revival. I got some second hand, but they were very hard to find. You could always get a regular pair of striped socks and sew some lace onto them.
>>10661808shit opinion, meta's school series wouldn't be the same without the crest embroidery
Who are your favourite less known old schoolers?
>>10662287You probably haven't heard of her.
Does anybody have saved the oldschool pictures collection that there was on imgur ? I'm so sad it got lost
>>10662287 tried to pick accounts under 1k, and obviously not all of them exclusively wear old school. alice_sternage, lavendealer, deeseptima, clemy_magic, clearkit, morelkor, rose_of_adoration
>>10662514Thank u, nonny
>>10662514lmao you just posted the entire discord server, which one of these is you?
I want to join the old school discord, but I am nervous that I will get crap for not wearing exclusively old school. What’s the server like? I just find that I’m always in chats with sweets or other lolitas that I don’t have much in common with.
>>10662561how does someone find the old school discord?
>>10662561Those bitches ban gulls
>>10662576But they're all gulls too
>>10662561Tbh its no good. Everyone licks asses of popular old schoolers and basically if you don't have followers you don't have a voice there
>>10662611That sounds shitty desu. but it's the only way to communicate with old schoolers, right?
>>10662561>>10662574>>10662611The og old school discord was deleted over 6 months ago though.
>>10662698Stop forcing this meme please
>>10661333>>10661563The reason nu-old schoolers come across as so inauthentic is because they try way too hard. They try too hard to emulate perfectly coordinate brand advertisements, and if they try to emulate something like >>10661563 its still trying to hard. the girls in that photo arent wearing mismatched items in a calculated way, its likely just what was clean and they threw it together before leaving the house.
>>10663002Imagine thinking only people from street snaps are able to coordinate this way and that everyone else who just throws shit together is trying to emulate it.
Do you think oldschool pieces will keep getting more expensive or will prices plateau around where they are now?
>>10663006Nayrt but people like O have literally been prove to rip off street snaps
>>10663002It’s weird how gulls come up with ideas like this in their head and then it becomes gospel on here and constantly regurgitated
>>10663008I think generally they will get more expensive as time goes on since nobody makes it anymore. but right now they are really expensive because oldschool is popular. I remember last year when it wasn’t so popular, grabbing up things at half of what they would go for this year. So it should go down after some time i think when the trend shifts
>>10663013>It’s weird how gulls come up with ideas like this in their head and then it becomes gospel on here and constantly regurgitatedBut its true. Huge wardrobes in lolita fashion are a relatively new thing. If someone has a mismatched element in a streetsnap, its likely because thats all they had. Only cgl is anal about color shades matching perfectly or themes matching perfectly. Because in Japan they actually treat it like a fashion and not a game of "wear the perfect coordinate"
>>10663006Did I say only people from streetsnaps can coordinate that way? No! I just said imitation comes off as unauthetic. It's the difference between having naturally clear skin and wearing a ton of foundation and using expensive skincare to attempt to have perfect skin. The effort shows in the coordinate. Instead of looking at street snaps all day to figure out what to emulate, try just putting together a coord on your own.
>>10663027I was talking about the first half of your post not the bit about girls not owning a lot
jp twitter is celebrating this coord for the socks and I don't get it
>>10663237What's going on with the petti? Ew
>>10663243It’s too full and too short for the dress
>>10663237This isn't even old school
>>10663247>literal old-school dress>not old-school
>>10663237i do not like this shape the petti gives it AT ALL
>>10663248An old school dress doesn't equal old school coord
>>10663255then tell me what is new-school about it, considering pretty much all in the japanese old-school tag looks like that
>>10663255this. bitch can't even wait to get an appropriate petti
>>10663255Doesn't look any different people keep posting as old school here.
>>10663257she looks like an ugly c-ita.
>>10663257Thin headdress. Yes, the lace is crochet, but old school headdresses were much wider. Those ribbons on sleeves look new schoolish to me. Jsk is too long and full.
>>10663257It's probably a release from the Baby Classical series, several of the pieces from that line have fuller/longer hemlines, this seems to be one of them. The headdress is also a newer release, since it features the princess drop charms. So while the pieces are reminiscent of true oldschool designs, combining all new pieces gives it away.
>>10663277them make this a ~true old-school thread~ because japan considers everything that looks like the original form of lolita old-school (懐古ロリ), if lolita was made today it wouldn't look different because materials and tailoring improved
>>10663260You sound racist, also that's a baby shop staff girl.
>>10663237This is traditional lolita
>>10663013It's true, just because you don't like several peopke agreeing with it doesn't mean an it's "gospel".>>1066300695% of the people coording this way nowadays are absolutely obsessed with copying streetsnaps, down to literally cosplaying them instead of just developing their own thing, like the women in said streetsnaps actually did.
>>10663282I hpe you know the kanji for traditional and "old-school" in japanese are the same, traditional lolita *is* old-school
>>10663002>Did I say only people from streetsnaps can coordinate that way? No! I just said imitation comes off as inauthentic.>Instead of looking at street snaps all day to figure out what to emulate, try putting together a coord of your own.Its fun to imagine your weird ass sitting around with a big catalogue of every street snap ever taken and doing psychotic amounts of comparative analysis to see how emulated their coord is.>>10663289 Just because Justine does street snap cosplay doesnt mean they all do lmao
>>10663291this is why the communities shouldn't have merged with the kawaii ambassador shit. the community has multiple definitions for the same thing because the words are different? that's stupid.
>>10663304this issue has existed longer than that tho, started with half-assed glb and kera translations based on google translate, like how in the livejournal days people tried to make natural kei a thing when it just refered to a natural makeup look of early lolitas
>>10663298Pure projection. That anon isn't the one desperately trying to BE the girls in magazines, that's your average neo-oldschooler aka probably (you).
>>10663416that's what i mean the western comm was so detached from the japanese one it made no sense. so now terms that didn't exist in japan do now retroactively, same with here.
>>10663446It's almost as if they speak an entirely different language
>>10663396She posted collages of how she creates her outfits in the discord a long time ago, it's literally just one or more old street snaps as a base and then she picks similar items to go for the same look. I saved a few because I wanted to look up some of the items from the collages on lolibrary, not sure if I still have them saved though
>>10663298>Its fun to imagine your weird ass sitting around with a big catalogue of every street snap ever taken and doing psychotic amounts of comparative analysis to see how emulated their coord is.this is exactly what im arguing against, you walnut
>>10663002but if you do it that way people will call you ita, it’s an endless cycle
>>10663651Who cares what people say
I have a red skirt that I had altered to fit me, but is now too big. It has buttons for waist ties but I don't have them, or any red waist tieshow awful would it be if I used black ones
>>10663696Making waist ties is pretty easy desu. If you can borrow a sewing machine, I'd definitely give it a try
they advertised actual stripper shoes in glb before so does anyone have any pics of ppl wearing real stripper shoes? would it get looked down on today?
>>10663733You guys take it a little too seriously. Sometimes glb had duds. it happens. it’s not perfect. Shoes are shoes, if it works with the outfit then go for it. I actually can’t tell what shoe you’re talking about. they all look fine except maybe the furry slippers
>>10663733>>10663737They’re talking about the pleasers. I have a pair of pleasers (no, I am not a stripper) and i love them, they’re comfy because they need to be worn for a long time when dancing so they’re not as hard on your feet as they look. I also own multiple pairs of the meta “stripper heels”. I love them because I can get the platform effect without the bottom heavy chunk and adds a little ero to the coordinate.
I would really appreciate if someone could give me tips on comfortable dolly chunky shoes for oldschool. I was thinking about getting me some demonias, but I’ve heard they are not comfortable and I’m basically looking for a shoe I can wear when doing activities that involves a bit of walking.
>>10663696It's going to look amazing and you'll be the prettiest loli at the meet up. Anyone who disagree or give concrit" is jealous of your creativity.
>>10663765I got these from Angelic Imprint and they're crazy comfortable
>>10662576No they ban people who are actively caught posting screenshots and drama to cgl and lolcow. Nice projection though
>>10664004which ita thread did you get posted in?
>>10664004people like who?drop their names anon
>>10664004No, they ban any anon. No matter what they have or haven't done
>>10664035Sounds like something a banned gull who has no clue what the server is like would say. So what did you get banned for?
So, were removable collars a thing back in the days?
>>10660755 I'm guessing heavy maple syrup is the and as heavy syrup?
>>10664123Are you new?
Is cornet good quality?
>>10664421Can you please take this stuff to the stupid questions thread? Yes, it's good quality. I have several pieces by them and the tailoring + materials are both excellent.
>>10664421Nope, Cornet's just terrible. If I were you I'd never buy that brand. In fact, I wouldn't buy any old school, it's all worn out and threadbare.
>>10663027>Huge wardrobes in lolita fashion are a relatively new thinghahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaaman i didnt get it when people laughed at the shit i said when i was new, but man, now i do
>>10664358It's just heavy syrup or sleepless tricker by heavy syrup, there are no maples in sight. I think OP misremembered or was craving maple syrup at the time of writing their post
>>10664487not bait. most oldschool is lowquality/poor condition
>>10664490All my old school pieces aren't 10/10 obviously, but they look much much better after 15-20 years of their life than a 1 year old tshirt from h&m.
>>10664510a tee you throw in the wash with your whites and coloreds/dark clothes and use regularly will hold up less than garments treated with care
>>10663742I honestly think stripper shoes look okay if they match both the colors and theme/feel of the outfit (aka only acceptable with gothic). But not all of them. The clear ones should stay at the strip club
>>10664552 stripper shoes with gothic lolita is one of my favourite things about old school
>>10664651mine is stripper shoes with sweet
>>10664432We get it, you're a post 2012-newfag.
>>10664683 actually maybe I just like it with all old school, these snaps look awesome
>>10664651This. I love huge fuck you platforms in oldschool gothic so much.
>>10664711Most lolitas I know who started in the early/mid 2000s have huge wardrobes because that's what naturally happens after buying for over a decade.
>>106647112012 newfag, how old are you then? 30? 36?
>>10664842Nayrt but I joined in 2011 and I’m years away from 30… you’re an idiot
>>10664683these are adorableI generally prefer heels over flat shoes because they look more flattering
>>10664781Which isn't what >>10663027 said or argued. >>10664842I take this as a yes.
>>10664848>reeee newfags can match better since they have more clothesYou sure told them anon!
>>10663651almost as if people will nitpick the shit out of you no matter what you choose
>>10664683coord on the right gives off strong ageplay vibes, it's probably the messy pigtails and shorter dress tho
Does this gallery not work for anyone else? Did anyone ever create a backup? It's too bad, really such a shame we've lost this resource. I would spend so much time just scrolling through these images. I regret not saving them myself.https://imgur.com/a/ij8db
>>10664950tired of capcha, end of dump
>>10664358>>10664486you got me there.or maybe i'm canadian who knows?
>>10664426Cornet isn't great but a lot of old school is in pretty good nick still
>>10661841Find some black x white striped socks that you like and try dyeing them with tea or coffee.
>>10664781they have huge wardrobes NOW. they didnt back then. pre 2010 and a "big" wardrobe would be 20 pieces or so. now that would be considered small or medium. lolita shops were more scarce back then, and the fashion being newer/smaller means there were less opportunities to save money by getting items secondhand. so most people paid secondhand and had to save up, and wardrobes were smaller.
>>10664426Anon doing god's work
>>10664426Love how there is a cornet dress on lacemarket for fucking $275 right now
>>10664421It's not bad, but definetely overpriced often
>>10664998True. The other day while I was browsing the cgl archives I found this thread from 2013 discussing wardrobe sizes. it's quite an interesting read:>https://warosu.org/cgl/thread/S6931860So to conclude: Wardrobes are getting bigger and bigger and that also explains why the 2nd hand market is getting worse and worse each year. Everybody is hoarding and not selling and with the average lolitas age increasing, it also increases the disposable income and potential storage space for even more brand. The dempgraphics have vastly changed. It used to be mostly teenage college and university aged girls in the early 2000s. Now a large chunk of lolitas are professionals in their 30s. Wardrobe sizes reflect that.
>>10665237it’s unfair for the newer generation of lolitas honestly, y’all old lolitas never give us some slack either
>>10665250I don't think that's "unfair" at all. It's just timing; it's just how it's worked out. You guys have access to plenty of lolita, because the online market is larger in general and much more accessible than it was 15 years ago. Quit your whining, whipper-snapper. You don't know how easy you have it.
>>10665237i see younger lolitas with what used to he considered “large” wardrobes though. obviously it’s smaller than current large wardrobes but still. i wonder if it has anything to do with how common “haul” type videos are in everything now
>>10665237the secondhand market is bad because of covidlitas spending stimulus checks and unemployment on dresses sold by scalperchans therefore raising the price of everything. Don't blame us oldfags for that.
>>10665255Ntayrt but it really fucked up the market for us since most of us don't have full time jobs but the prices keep going up as well because of the older lolitas that can afford expensive dresses
i’m really sorry but the stupid questions thread is saging what year would you consider the upper limit on pieces considered oldschool, excluding of course classical rereleases? i feel like 2007 baby has the vibe but i’d like to know what everyone else thinks
>>10665263Whilst I agree that what you're saying is true, I also think that younger lolitas will inevitably get to a point through the years where they're in the financial position to afford the more expensive dresses too. Maybe certain items will be more rare because older lolitas are ""hoarding"" them but as >>10665255 said, it's just the timing. That isn't on older lolitas, and I don't think they're raising the prices so drastically that it's a big problem. We are also quite lucky in lots of ways like general accessibility. Search the jp secondhand markets enough and you can find some awesome deals.
>>10665339I’m not a purist but i don’t think there is an upper limit. For example, Marble has been putting out the exact same style for 20 years and so has antique beast. So it would be silly to say that only pre-2005 marble is old school when it literally looks the same as 2021 Marble. Same for vivienne westwood bags/shoes. I believe it just depends on the fit. Pre 2005ish baby had a lot of oldschool fits with a small or no petti. You could wear some of meta’s blouses in stock rn, with a ladder lace skirt and it would look old school.
>>10665341Agreed. Genuine old school pieces are beneficial and I love them, but it's how you style it that is far more important.
>>10665206Please god take me back to 2018
>>10665291military looks are so based
>>10665237>Everybody is hoarding and not sellingThat's a bit of a shame because decluttering your wardrobe every now and then is so refreshing, and not just for the money you get from selling your clothes. I used to have a massive wardrobe before I ended up selling two thirds of it because I always went back to the same pieces after all. I'm a lifestyler but I barely go out to events or meet-ups anymore, I simply didn't need all those ott pieces I used to collect so I sold them. I kept a couple of those items for their sentimental value but I'm not missing a single one of those that I did get rid of. Some lolitas treat the fashion purely like a collector's hobby which is perfectly fine but I want to actually wear my clothes and not just let them sit in my closet squished between 80+ similar pieces of which most will never get worn either.
>>10665435Yeah, agreed. I wear lolita multiple times a week but even though I've been in the fashion for years my wardrobe consistently hovers around 30-35 pieces because I just don't have the time to wear more items than that regularly. It's nice to have a wardrobe of just things you absolutely love.
>>10665435I also find my wardrobe is best at around 30 main pieces, mainly because I can only wear full lolita outfits outside of work. I could see 50 being reasonable for someone who doesn't wear any other daily fashion aside from lolita, but 80+ is collector or "can wear to work"territory.
>>10665263you sound like a whiner. It's not us, by the way. The western market has always been a fraction of the lolita market in general. Right now, the driving force in the markets- both new and secondhand - is coming from China. I can understand why you're butthurt, younger anon, but you're directing your whining in the wrong direction.Also, we've heard it all before. We have no sympathy. Go build a shopping bot like all the Chinese have.
>>10665263>most of us don’t have full time jobsand how does that makes you more entitled to things that cost money than people who do? i see why you’re unemployed, retard>captcha: APNVM
>>10665263Jesus. It's not hard to get a full time job. Even idiots do it all the time. You're literally inferior to even the most idiotic people RNIt's an expensive hobby. You aren't entitled to it either.
>>10665827Do you know why most of us don’t have full time jobs? Oh yeah that’s right! We still go to university/college you stupid fuck
>>10665435I feel like 30+ main pieces is a lot. I personally try to be sure that each of my pieces can be used in at least 3 coords, so for me 30 pieces would equal almost 100 coords
>>10665859Nta but some people work full time and go to college still. I had 3 part time jobs in college and still could only afford a couple lolita dresses a year and some accessories. But some students have parents pay for everything and could buy lolita with their part time job. Being a student doesn't make you more or less able able spend neccesarily and like anons above said you aren't entitled to lolita. It's a hobby/just non neccesary clothes that we enjoy wearing.
Did anyone go to Raschel?
>>10667377no I'm from Europe T.T
>>10664949Nope not working for me either
>>10667377Yes it was amazing and everyone was so lovely
>>10667377I would have loved to go, though would be nice to see some photos from the event.
>>10667646Think Ophelia is making a blog post about it and r.r. Memorandum uploaded couple pictures as well
>>10667633Except that prick trying to sneak photos from his car
Anyone excited for summertales boutique their upcoming nostalgia collection? I’m hoping for something velvetAltough I’m a bit unsure if I even want to buy from them again bc of their slow shipping times, I know they’re saying that next time they have it better arranged but idk man
>>10669154I might try to be excited when I get my stuff from the March 2021 pre order, which still hasn't shipped.
>>10669183ngl I'm at the point where I almost don't even like it anymore, my stuff also hasn't been shipped yet
>>10669154Something about the construction isn't favorable to me. I like some of the designs, but it looks like your typical western brand. I've seen so many come and go.
>>10669211it feels quite simple
>>10667377I've just seen the group photo. Why is it that fat itas always end up at the front of photos? We can practically see up one of their dresses. Everyone else looked nice though.
>>10669154Her communication is nothing less than terrible. Kills me to see her update the shop IG constantly, but somehow be incapable of responding to emails or keeping customers informed about delays?Can't comment on the quality of the garments but a business is a business, not a hug circle.
>>10669183Jesus, I am definitely not ordering with her then. Has she at least given word?
>>10669458It was first around beginning of June I think that everything would arrive maybe even the end of MayThen it was set to I think JulyThen before the first of august but then they decided to go on vacation for the first two weeks of August and they told us they would work on it afterwards so I thought it would be here like before September, but now it's gonna be like middle/end of September I think
>>10669214>Why is it that fat itas always end up at the front of photos?because most fat people got fat egos
>>10669473Reminds me of Lady Sloth. I guess indie brands are always bad at estimating production timelines. Violet Fane was alright but also had moderately slow communication with Otome Nostalgia, nowhere near as bad as Lady Sloth with just lying about when stuff would be ready until she had to announce publicly the delay.
>>10669487Summertales did say it everytime in a ig post, the last one they didn't even send a mail for, only an Instagram postThe update before that (via mail) said that it would be finished before the first of August, and instead of giving the update via mail that it was going to be later they went on vacation for two weeks
>>10669552Oh okay so not so bad. Just one slip up on announcing delays consistently.
>>10669561Yes but a lot of delays none the less
>>10669473It's literally been so long that I forgot I ordered a dress, ugh.I was a little concerned about getting a tartan dress in July since the material is so thick, but now that it's been pushed back so much I feel like I'll at least get to enjoy it whenever it does get here.
does anyone have some street snaps or coords with the MmM bat handbag?
>>10670860Not sure which version you mean, but I have a few with the cross version
>>10670862honestly I don't mind bc they both have practically the same shape, thank you!
>>10665250I ensure you prices in the egl-sales lj era were even more ridiculous than at the moment.
>>10665250at least shopping services are a common thing now, some brands were impossible to get back then
>>10670963this. tired of entitled newfags to the fashion.
>>10665237The age demographic has been that way in Japan for years. Also there are no lack of available dresses to buy. Just because you didn’t get your AP dream dress from 2008 or whatever, doesn’t mean you have it hard. I don’t know why lolita is the only fashion where people expect this. Way less people are this obsessed with old releases in other fashions. Newfags are always so entitled
>>10671007>Also there are no lack of available dresses to buy.Yeah, maidenclothing, usagikyouhiten and probably soon violetblue sure went mia because of the great amount of dresses to sell.
>>10671014Nta but people having their own direct access to the Japanese market via SS means no one has to rely on those options as much and also cuts into their stock since westerners are buying whatever they want.There is no lack of stuff available to buy at all just because you may have to pay more or look harder for items that suit your specific tastes. Wearing lolita is objectively easier now than it used to be.
If anyone is interested I just saw a listing of someone selling a good luck lace monster blouse on depop for a great price
>>10671014>As if there aren't thousands of listings on LM alone, not to mention fril and mercariIf you still can't afford Lolita when there are tons of options less than $100 then either you are very poor or you just feel entitled to old brand releases
>>10667678Lol that whole ordeal lasted way too long, think people screaming at him to fuck off right off the bat maybe wasn’t the best move
>>10667678What the fuck? What happened?
>>10671458Whats it tagged under? Good luck/lolita doesn’t bring it up
I know we "hate" Taobao but any cute Taobao old school vibe dresses? besides the Lara's doll from little bear bc I already have that one which I really love
I got hairties like picrel and can't figure out how to make them look good. They're really big, and it's hard to keep the bow forward if that makes sense? Any ideas or references would be appreciated
>>10677009maybe use bobby pins? that's the only thing I can think of to be honest
>>10677009I think those bows are meant to be sideways, really. They are a super old style.
I find it funny how r.r. Memorandum claim to be all about diversity but their models are generic skinny white girls that fit the petite old skool Lolita aesthetic kek. Looks like they got Beckii Cruel to 'model' one of their upcoming lines.
>>10677632Weren't they still looking for diverse models some weeks ago?
>>10677632Why do you care?
>>10677632Not like it's a paid gig anon. Beggers can't be choosers. Not like she's in London, it's fucking Norwich.
>>10677640Correct they were.>>10677642Because of what this anon mentioned. ^
>>10677009girl on the right seems to be wearing those
>>10677661Do you have a higher res image of this? I'm curious about the shoes on the left girl but can't read the text in this one. Or does anyone know what brand they are?
>>10675949The hotel had a courtyard at the front that was fairly secluded so we went to take a group photo there, then this guy in a 4X4 stopped his car at the other end of the little street, rolled down his window and stuck his phone out to take a photo. Almost everyone shouted "no" at him and then he said that under British law, he was entitled to take photos of us against our will. A few people then went up to argue with him, and someone went and got the hotel manager to tell him to fuck off. There were two people who had never been to a lolita meet before and they seemed quite shaken, one was even crying. Most people just seemed vaguely annoyed.
>>10678018Jesus Christ, next time just cover your faces or hold up a middle finger. Also, this sort of thing happens all the time. you just have to tell them that it’s not illegal, it’s just rude. Why the fuck was anyone crying?
>>10678028You're obviously a scrote. Having random people take pictures of you against your consent is dehumanizing. Especially when it's random men in cars, you have no idea why they're taking those pictures, what they'll do with them, or if they'll escalate just past taking pictures. For all they know that man or someone he showed those pictures to could end up stalking them. Come back to me when you know what it's like dealing with this shit from age 14.
>>10678035>You're obviously a scrote.I'm a woman so this just makes you look more retarded and pathetic to me.> Having random people take pictures of you against your consent is dehumanizingIt literally happened to me like 10 times today. Was I insulted? Yes. Am I going to throw a giant fit about it and cry? No, because that's fucking retarded and won't magically delete it from that person's phone. If someone seriously cries every time it happens then how the fuck do they ever wear lolita in public?> or if they'll escalate just past taking picturesOh please. If you were alone I'd understand. But no one is going to come out and assault a group of women at all once, that's insane. Just do what every other lolita does and hide your face or turn your back on them.
>>10678050As another woman that this happens to constantly I agree crying is a bit much. Like yeah it's upsetting and very annoying but just tell them to fuck off, turn away, leave, cover your face, etc. And move on.
>>10678052It's also incredibly fucking rude to cause a huge scene/argument when you're in a group. Not everyone likes that kind of attention or wants to be associated with it. The best option is always to just move on.And honestly, if you really think some random Joe Schmo driving by in his car is taking your photo to go jack off to it later, then you're insanely paranoid. Most people are just taking it because they see us as some interesting novelty.
>>10678035you don't need consent for photos. don't dress like that if you aren't ready.
Fucking scrotes ruin everything. This thread was going so well too.
>>10678313What are you even talking about. You think >>10678018 is a scrote for posting their off topic comm drama?
>>10678035touch grass femcel
>>10678319newfags are using scrote to mean idiot now instead of using it to call out men.
>>10678050I think she was just overwhelmed, there’s no need to be rude, when someone in new to the fashion, it’s their first meet and something like that happens especially when there’s people shouting and screaming it’s totally understandable
>>10678677Also people respond to stress differently. After all she’s not the instigator in this conflict, why shit on her more than the asshole trying to rubber neck with souvenirs.
Why is old school so ugly?
>>10677661I miss when Lolita looked like this
>>10679758Never forget what they took from us nonnie
>>10679462Because we don’t give a fuck
>>10678052The person you're replying to is a scrote.
>>10679758Same, anon.Modern lolita certainly lacks the charm and individuality that oldschool had. And the garment quality, of course.
>>10678407kill yourself defected y chromosome.
>>10679462honestly I find everything that isn't old school ugly especially those weird fabrics and all over prints nowadays
How often do you wear coords without a petti? How often do you pass on wearing a head piece?
>>106803681) rarely unless it looks better without one2) semi-frequently if it's casual
>>10680368I honestly never wear petti's bc most of my dresses have a build in petti if they don't I usually add a pannier by btssbFor head pieces I always wear them
>>10675971It isn't tagged but the user who's selling it is @fonvy>>10680368If I'm just staying home I will rarely ditch the petti but if I'm going out I always wear oneAs for headpieces, I frequently forego one since I often wear casual coords but definitely wear if I'm going anywhere fun/special
>>10680391Huh really? Do you just prefer a smaller silhouette? All my dresses with built in pettis really don't have much poof at all desu
>>10680368I never skip pettis when I leave the house since I think most dresses look ugly without one. I often skip headdresses if I want to be slightly more normie-friendly, and imo there's some coords that look better without headwear.
>>106803681) Sometimes when I'm going really casual or travelling/not moving around a lot, but usually I wear one of my small semi-deflated panniers that give just the right amount of poof for my liking2) I'd rather go pettiless than without any sort of head accessory, I need to wear at least a simple headband otherwise I feel "incomplete"
>>10680443>imo there's some coords that look better without headwear.Hard agree. Idk why some gulls are so anal about it.
>>10680368I don't go without a petti often other than the few pieces that can't fit one. I usually wear a very low volume petti though.I do go without headwear a lot. Sometimes a coord just doesn't need one.
>>10680522Damn I'd be sold if the lapels were a matching tartan instead of black
>>10680368I don't wear pettis to work
am I just a newfag or is this way too overpriced?
>>10680522I appreciate this, but I'm not a fan of the sleeves - they look a bit ill-fitting
>>10681274Yeah, this is dumb. It might have gone up to somewhere around that price if it were an auction, don't know why she didn't just do that.
looks a bit meh to me. the little bows look out of place and a bit sad. that crown lace really should have been lower and the lace where the bows are needed to be the kind you lace ribbon through. that way the skirt would have more black in it to tie it in with the chunk of black collar on the jacket. the issue i have with r.r. is that they fail to capture a lot of basic pld school design elements organically and you can tell many elements are being used without care on a lot of their pieces.
>>10680524is it not an homage to the vw heart blazer?
>>106803681. Almost never. Most of my pieces look sad without a petti and I have a very small one that gives the perfect amount of casual poof without being a bother.2. Sometimes I'll forego a headpiece because I feel way too embarrassed to wear a headdress or big bow out but I always make sure my hair looks nice and poofy by itself to make up for it. I honestly prefer to at least have some hair clips or combs on than outright not wear anything on my hair though.
>>10681287if it is, it's not a very good one
>>10680524Just get the baby one
>>10681274Isn't that that one girl who was trying to claim the meta trumpet babydoll op a while ago on ig
>>10681274I don't know why she always feels the need to make hundreds off her items, she has a fucking job. Just sell like the rest of us do
>>10681444That's really easier said than done. It's way easier getting a preorder/in stock than scouring for an old release.
>>10677670Google translates this as "by mail order"? Not sure what that means, but there's no brand mentioned
>>10681455Oh I can read some Japanese, the othwr uothread image was just a tad too blurry. This one says the shoes are Meta. Thanks for posting the higher resolution photo anon!
>>10681458I'm pretty sure that's for the girl on the right, she's wearing the Meta full of hearts shoes. I think the info for the girl on the left is above that
>>10681460Meant to say those are the Meta lace up shoes
>>10681460You're right, hmm. Idk if there's another interpretation of those Kanji or if they're just from a mail order catalog. Oh well. I guess I'll just see if Tokyo Bopper has anything similar.
she cant fit the op but she made the waist ties into hair bows
>>10681798NTA but honestly this kind of thing really pisses me off. There's a limited amount of old school in the world and idiots like her ruin them by busting the seams and destroying parts of the dress for no reason. She didn't even put the waist ties to good use. They're just simple red velvet ones she could've bought anywhere. She doesn't deserve this dress and probably figured she should do something with the waist ties since she's too fat to use them anyway.
>>10681803>She doesn't deserve this dressI never got this sentiment, they're clothes not medals.
>>10681806>Takes coveted dress that only exists in a limited quantity, doesn't appreciate it, destroys integral parts of it. If you can't appreciate the value of something you don't deserve it. Same goes for people who take beautiful antique dresses and hack them up forever destroying them. There are plenty of people out there who will actually love, cherish, and preserve them.
>>10681806This. People are so creepy acting like wearing lolita is something you earn or deserve. It's just clothes. Buy it, wear it, whatever.
>>10681811>>10681806neither of you really care about lolita or fashion history and it shows. it ain't fast fashion and some of us actually care about conserving it. it's not "just clothes" to those who really care not like either of you would understand.
>>10681810If someone has the money for it and buys it, then they automatically deserve it. >>10681815>It's about conserving itThen put your clothes behind glass walls and never wear them ever, by wearing them you're automatically not conserving them. Your autism is off the charts nonnie.
>>10681815If you really deserved the dress and cared about lolita fashion history you would have bought it first so she couldn't "deface" it then and you don't truly value lolita unless you buy and preserve in pristine condition every piece from every brand for posterity you poser.
>>10681815I agree its hideous, but altering a dress to suit your taste (poorly or not) is the opposite of treating something like fast fashion
>>10681815Not either ayrt but old school pieces are going to mostly eventually fall apart anyway, regardless of the size of who wears them. I agree she should’ve gotten it altered, but better to enjoy something for its intended purpose than obsessing over preserving it for what? History’s sake? We have GLB and numerous other resources for that. I’m dead certain I’ve seen some old Baby and Meta pieces in fashion museums, so there’s your preservation and history. Wear shit that fits, sure, but love it enough to wear it, otherwise you are literally a larper
>>10681821She didn't alter it. Altering is when you tailor clothing to fit better. She destroyed the waist ties to make shitty hair bows she could've gotten anywhere. It's a completely unnecessary waste.
>>10681818>>10681817>>10681818yes because im able to buy every lolita dress everywhere and know about every single purchase. this argument is so brain dead. that's like saying if you care about 18th century fashion conservation you should buy every single dress out there and know about every single item wilting away in an attic somewhere.
>>10681828I was being sarcastic in my post calling you a poser to point out how silly your logic is, genius.
>>10681828Since your only argument is that 'people shouldn't fuck with clothes in order to perserve them' then why don't you bother to do it? Isabel OP was literally on WW less than a month ago.
>>10681817wearing a dress ≠ intentionally destroying it but nice fallacious argument you got there
>>10681826That's...the opposite of wasting anon.These dresses are neither very old nor difficult to recreate. There are a million dresses even from a century ago that people don't care about. Get some perspective before you compare it to actually expensive and historical aristocratic fashion.
>>10681833>Get some perspective before you compare it to actually expensive and historical aristocratic fashion.I'm going to guess they're doing some sort of 18th century larp shit and assuming a 260 dollar dress from 2001 is the same an actual rococo gown covered in jewels.
>>10681831People who actually collect historical dresses don't wear them because yes, wearing them damages them.
>>10681803I thought that was about josine for a second kek. I agree with you though.
>>10681811If you're destroying clothes because you're too delusional about your body size, you'll be judged. That's not something lolita specific.
>>10681842a dress from the early 2000s is not a historica dress tho
>>10681455awww is that a baby chikage on the left? she was my favorite lolita model, i miss her. i wonder where she is these days? ive tried googling but no luck
>>10681874Then why are people acting like it's some special collectible that needs to be properly preserved or valued in some way beyond the whim of who owns it? Lolita fashion as a concept has been preserved for posterity to some degree already as people mentioned as far as museums and stuff. Every individual dress is not something so special beyond what whoever is willing to pay for it wants to do with it desu.Anon is just mad a fat girl can afford a dress she can't and used the waist ties in a way she didn't approve of. Now she's mad no one normal cares cause it's dumb to worry that much about shit that doesn't belong to you. It's only rooted in the entitlement of there being one less of them for her to get her grubby paws on secondhand or whatever.
>>10681795I get that it's her dress to do whatever with but the waist ties really make the back of the dress so much cuter as an accent. You could buy or make pink velvet headbows but the waist ties aren't as easily replaceable...sounds like such a dumb decision. Especially if she chooses to resell the dress later on.
>>10681874Yes. That's the point.
>>10680522Anyone know how the teaparty went?
>>10680522I was excited, and then a friend who went to the tea party told me the price for the jacket is like $400.
>>10681795Why not use the waist ties to actually alter the dress to fit her? What a waste
>>10681919Why not leave the waist ties intact and buy a dress that actually fits?
>>10681920I mean, it's not really an option if she wanted this specific dress, and it looks like she won't fit any old school besides maybe meta. Nothing wrong with altering your clothes either, and it would be a much better use of the waist ties than what she ended up doing.
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