Is gatekeeping actually a bad thing? What if it helps improve public perception of cosplay by driving away the cringe cosplayers?
>>10597707Gatekeeping is rooted in class oriented rivalry, and generally kicks the good out with the bad.Elevating the non cringe will have a bigger impact.But also, fandoms can't gatekeep anymore. The internet makes it impossible. Anyone can find SOME group of a fandom that's just like them
Gatekeeping is necessary in the sense of keeping the community clean of predators or people being tribalist as fuck. When it comes to race, sex/gender or something that the person can't fix without 1000s of dollars in surgery, gatekeeping is absolute shit.
>>10597716>predators>people being tribalistthese are also things a person can't fix. You need to do better.
>>10597716but your post is itself tribalist tho
>>10597707gatekeeping drives people away. Most good cosplayers started as cringe cosplayer. If you can't accept cringe cosplayers, you won't get new good cosplayers in the future. The only gatekeeping should be what is and isn't cosplay, like being sure to keep halloween costume, cosplay, and lolita separate. Cringe cosplay is better than people showing up in a cheap halloween costume or wearing a lolita coord and calling it a loli cosplay.
>>10597707normies think all cosplayers are cringe unless they're doing disney characters or something
>>10597721>Most good cosplayers started as cringe cosplayer. If you can't accept cringe cosplayers, you won't get new good cosplayers in the future.(!) This statement on cosplaying is disputed.
>>10597721how is shitting on people for wearing a cheap costume not gatekeeping?
>>10597707Depends. It' difficult to gatekeep something like cosplay because everyone and anyone with internet can buy whatever costume of whatever character they like. Even if they're fat. It's so easy to cosplay now that even normies can figure it out. Same with fandoms. Also now with people pushing inclusiveness it's hard to keep anyone out and if you try you get jumped on for it.Lolita seems to have a better time with it but only because the clothes are small, expensive, appeal to a smaller group of people, and the community is aggressive, especially against anyone trying to make it a sexual thing.
>>10597733>shitting on peopleJust give concrit and if they're salty about it you can start gatekeeping by not associating with themIf I had a cringe cosplayer or ita friend I'd just give em concrit and if they don't listen maybe don't engage in the hobby with them just sayingAll the bullying and hate and shit is retarded as fuck. Everyone has their own issues. Maybe you absolutely love lolita but can't afford it so you exclusively have taobao shit. Who gives a fuck? Some cheap shit can actually good. And the only people who should be completely shat on are people with malicious intents like predators, fetishists and shit. This includes some of the tiktok sloots who wear anime-themed bikini and a cheap wig, shake their ass for views and call it a cosplay.
I've experienced bullying and gatekeeping in the cosplay community first-hand. My girlfriend and I attended Mechacon and Louisiana Comic-con and were party to lots of unwanted jokes about how I was ugly (someone joked that I was cosplaying the main character from the movie "Mask"; I don't think I'm that ugly...) and jokes about her weight.I can even recall one incident with a fairly popular LoL cosplayer (Emiru) that made me start crying. People can be callous sometimes.
If by "gatekeeping" you mean remaining adamant about correcting people who insist on placing things in a subculture that don't belong there or being honest when people do things in a low quality/ugly way then no it's not a bad thing. It's quality control and refusing to let people corrupt the comm because they're too lazy to do research or do things right
>>10597742https://twitter.com/cosvickye?lang=enThis triggers me so much. I hate this aspect of the cosplay community with all my heart
>>10597733i didn't say it was? I said cheap halloween costume. If you are going to a con in costume, it should either be of a character, or a very good halloween costume. You should show either your love of a character or your love of creating costumes. buying a cheap halloween costume shows none of that and thus isn't cosplay.>>10597723practically every cosplayer started out as cringe though
>>10597754I don't see what the big problem is. A big part of the characters people love cosplaying is the characters' sex appeal. There's nothing wrong with leaning into that aspect.
>>10597756>If you are going to a con in costume, it should either be of a character, or a very good halloween costume.This is gatekeeping. You cannot say "gatekeeping is bad" and in the next breath say "Your costume needs to be expensive or you can't go to the con"
>>10597758My problem is that she's an internet whore who claims to do cosplays but doesn't actually do them well and just uses cosplaying as a medium to sell her porn online.There are so many good cosplayers that pull off convincing and sometimes unique spins on a character and are still very sexual. Those are fine. An example of good sexy cosplay is Pion Kim
>>10597759I didn't say that though. Cosplay and costuming are specifically different things, like cosplay and lolita are different. I think I already explained it well.
>>10597707We should've been gatekeeping cosplay from the very start. Cosplay is deeply associated with porno and OF because people allowed pornstars to throw on a cheap wig and call it "cosplay".
>>10597721There is a HUGE difference between cosplayers that aren't good at sewing/foam work but are passionate and people that can't behave themselves or have no love for the character and just do FOTM shit. The latter usually buy all their Party City cosplays, and front like they're hardo cosplayers. Those should be gatekeeped. Nobody makes fun of the former.
>>10597766lol what? no it isn't. the only way someone could feasibly think this is if their primary exposure to it is in porny contexts. why would you admit this
>>10597768thats what i'm saying.>Nobody makes fun of the former.what? Of course they do. go to any cringe cosplay thread
>>10597771normies literally associate cosplay with jnigger and belle delphine. do you live under a rock?
>>10597707I was against gatekeeping 10 years ago, when I started working conventions. Now I support it.Why? 10 years of posers, with alternative agendas, recognizing they can manipulate the anime/videogame/costuming community more easily then the sports jocks or the latte popular chicks.It started with seeing "friendly" dudes enter into circles, with a superficial interest in comics or video games (I know one creep that collects very video game and console he can find, but doesn't play games. Completely set up in his front room but never plays) and then going from one girl to the next, often bouncing between "hotter" and "chubbier" girls. These guys would always dump them after the girls got out of college, or once they were over 22-24ish years old and then latch onto a fresh-faced 18 year old. They'd do the rounds for years, driving girls out of the community out of embarrassment, meanwhile becoming less and less connected to what's going on in the "hobby" they wanted to be apart of.Then I saw sort of the e-Thot counterpart to this; again seeming to have very loose connections to the hobby in question and quick to start trading sex for free stuff and free rent.With both types I've seen my friend groups get blown to pieces and we struggle to continue to focus on our shared interests, because so many feelings have been hurt along the way.So yeah. I use to be against gatekeeping.
>>10597772Oh, you're right on that. I think shitting on cosplays from photos is much easier that in real life though. A very large amount of cosplayers shoop their photos to cover up blemishes (so much that it's almost the "baseline"), so people that don't shoop end up looking worse (especially if the cosplays were already not that good). So, not really fair to compare pics (even though people do it anyways).
Gatekeeping is what causes hostility towards your community fandom. Take a look at how many people hate anime because they ran into some pretentious prick when asking about anime recommendations.
>>10597792Only if you consider "normies" to be people on 4chan boards other than /cgl/. In actual, non-4chan normie land, people who have heard of cosplay at all are more likely to associate it with superhero and other character costumes, which is the context that comes up in normie media like local news and sitcoms.
>>10597856> Take a look at how many people hate anime because they ran into some pretentious prick when asking about anime recommendations.That's good. The intended purpose of the gatekeeping was to drive those people away, so it was successful
Gatekeeping is important. It sets the bar for what is appropriate
>>10597875Not really. A lot of the anti-anime shitters set up camp here and shit up the place. Bring up weeb shit on other boards and watch the trolls pop out.
Gatekeeping is based it keeps the most deserving people on top and makes the straggles try harder so that they could hang out with the cool kids when they become good enough. Ugly? Shit props? Bought a vostume at a store? GTFO and try harder inbred.
The only people mad about gatekeeping are those that the gates are keeping out./thread
>>10597747I mean, sounds like everything about the comments you and your pet whale recieved were your fault and completely fixable.
>>10597963Honey don't project your own fatness on her. What if she was too skinny, not like anon specified. Maybe she was called a skeleton! But I hope you won't be ridiculed with your fat rolls, is very mean :(
>>10597707Proper gatekeeping is not a bad thing to anyone but the snowflakes, SJW, ethots, and retards that would be kept out, but honestly no one wants them in anyways beside they themsleves. It keeps the content of a certain quality (and I don't mean in a way of only keeping the best & wealthiest 5% or so, but the people who don't even try to be a proper part of the community or are in it for the wrong reasons, like the creepy dudes in lolita that make everyone uncomfortable or people who just refuse any concrit and look like crap for years without improving on that what they can do nor being intrested in it), which will make the whole community look better which leads to a better view from outsider too. The amount of people in AliExpress wigs that are completely unbrushed and unstyled, Wish costumes that don't fit properly, and none or bad make-up, are just wearing a printed bodysuit, or look like thots is part of why I can't take cosplayers serious as a whole. I mean I get it if their newbies, but there should be a moment they improve and they can't all be newbies. There are some really great ones and I adore seeing those. Looks really cool! But whenever I see them at cons and other events 90% looks like stereotype weeaboos who don't even try but would attack you if you don't want to be inclusive to them. You can hardly blame most people for looking down when that's what people see when they encounter them anywhere but social media which is known to be full of filters and shit.When it turns into blatant racism, sexism, etc that's something else. But then, those issues have their own names. That's not necessarily gatekeeping. That's just racism, sexism, etc.
>>10597707Does anyone know the name of the girl on the left? She looks an awful lot like my oneitis.
>>10598161Nope, not her. It was the camera angle after all.
>>10597765>costume play implies costuming is only for srs business Cosplay is such a redundant term. Only took off cause it's cutesy
>>10597750This. """Gatekeeping""" is just a meme term made up by people that know they aren't welcome for a good reason and want some victim points and to weasel in easier
caring about public perception is your first problem.
>>10597707Gatekeeping by nature only keeps out things and people that are in some way, shape or form different from what's inside the gate. If you wish to enter a community and are willing and able to practice their thing exactly as they are already practicing it, you cannot be gatekept. It is not a community's responsibility to welcome people that want to do a thing differently from the way it's currently being done without first doing it exactly the way it's currently being done. Believing otherwise is simply not reasonable. You could argue that it's more virtuous or nice or tolerant or whatever to let everyone in, but there is no immorality in the belief "do the thing as we're doing it, or don't use our terms and spaces".Believing it's a community's moral responsibility to permit you to do something different in their spaces under their name is the peak of selfishness. You're absolutely free to do their thing with them, you're absolutely free to do your own thing without them, but those are your only fair options. Don't cry "gatekeeping" when they don't want to do your thing instead of their own.
>>10597759>Your costume needs to be expensive or you can't go to the con"he didnt say it has to be expensiveit just needs to actually have some effort put into it (a reasonable thing for someone, who supposedly, likes cosplay)ive watched a porno of some tramp cosplaying something and she couldnt even be fucked to dye her hair, which is retardedly easy and low effort. but people will pay her money regardless. gatekeeping is a good thing, cunts like that need to fuck off
>>10598423i don't get what you mean. cosplay is dressing as a character. costuming is dressing up as a thing or concept.cosplay is dressing up as Narutocostuming is dressing up as a non-specific ninja.
>>10597961you ain't one of the cool kids bud
>>10597747Hol up hol up I look like you, am I really that ugly?
>>10597707Gatekeeping conversations about "maintaining the purity of cosplay" is already very suspect but if that frame is accepted in good faith it's too late anon. Cosplay is no longer an intensely niche hobby. No amount of gatekeeping is going to keep the water out from all the holes letting water into the ship.As our material conditions have become worse and people feel more disenfranchised, more and more people have been retreating into their media to find meaning. Cosplay is a relatively cheap escape and due to the our hug box culture, overall accepting. So any attempt at a late stage correction isn't going to be all that effective bc so many people are coming in from different places. The "cosplay community" or whatever remains of it isn't closely knit enough to assert social pressure strong enough for gatekeeping to really work. Just to end it on a hot take, it's to the point that I even question the effectiveness of gatekeeping to taint the names of known creeps and pedos in the community. So many casual cosplayers just don't know the inner drama and politics that people like Leon Chiro can basically just keep rockin on.
>>10597766>Thinking gatekeeping could have prevented cosplays association with pornCostumes and outfits for sexual appeal is nothing new. Once normies started calling all pop culture costumes 'cosplay' it was done. No amount of crying from the community was going to effect this connection in normies minds, who again are outside the community, and don't care what we say. The growth of OF anime e-girls is proportional to the growth in anime viewership in general. As more and more people retreat into their media it only makes sense that OF girls would try to build a rapport with potential clients the media the consume. No amount of sex worker negative gatekeeping would have stopped this.
>implying you can keep a gatethis isn’t a country club, you can’t stop people from cosplaying, you can’t stop people from saying they’re cosplaying, and you can’t keep people out of or from being associated with “the community” whatever that isbe honest about what so called “gatekeeping” really is: attempting to harangue or harass people until they get demoralized into giving up a hobby and/or exit your field of vision. and be honest about what that really is: bullying because it makes you feel good
>>10599092>You can't gatekeep, it's impossible!>Well actually, you can gatekeep, but it's mean!You sound retarded.
>>10597766Before the Toonami boom normies associated anything anime and relating to anime as either porn or the devil. This started way before your 3rd gen cam site
>>10598809>>10598584>>10598095I absolutely love how cucked the argument of the proponents of gatekeeping are. Girl, cosplay is about as large & porous a community as gaming is. Gatekeeping can not work in its stated way in such comms bc there isn’t a narrow path to entry. It’s less and less common from someone’s introduction to cosplay to be, ‘oh, I had this friend in high school. She was really crafty and into anime and she actually introduced me to cosplay. She took me to my first con and showed we the ropes and I slowly found my voice and connection into this cosplay family.’ That isn’t how it happens any more. More often or not it’s ‘All of my friends are in to the Marvel movies. We saw these cool costumes on a yt comp and thought that would be a neat escape. None of us have ever done anything like this before but thought it looked fun and so pitched in for a hotel room together. I hung out with my friends who I went to con with and got really drunk. It was nice to meet other people who like the same things that I like. C:’ Nowhere in that story is there a mentor on the “ways of cosplay” no where in that do they care or know about any of the politics or ‘standards’of cosplay. So you can care all you want, in fact I’m sure you get off being upset about the fats and low quality dogs ‘not really cosplaying’ but all you’re getting out of that is rush of feeling superior. It’s not shaping any community standards bc they don’t care. The shared cultural context of cosplay is ever shrinking bc of all the access points to get into it now. The only thing gatekeeping enforcers accomplish is their own cucked sense of superiority about things people in those hated outgroups don’t know or care about. The enforcer enjoys getting mad about these violators and it given them identity as 'not them'. Even if all they are realy doing is feeling smart as they play with their busybox of ‘community standards.' You can't stop what's coming
>>10599106You're pretending that a phenomenon that factually exists (people posing as cosplayers to leech money / social prestige / relationships / etc. off the community) doesn't exist. You're probably doing this because you are one of those people.
>>10599109>You must be one of themA classic defense. I'm saying gatekeeping doesn't work as stated not that those phenomenons don't exist.If gatekeeping worked as intended it would have kept women and sjws out of gaming and fats and sluts out of cosplay, and guess what? It hasn't. All it has done is act as a busy box for people who want feel better about themselves. Who lack any other sense of purpose in their hobbies.
>>10599110>If gatekeeping worked as intended it would have kept women and sjws out of gaming and fats and sluts out of cosplay, and guess what? It hasn'tSuccess is not binary - gatekeeping has been wildly successful given the scale of the invasion.
>>10599112Gatekeeping only works in small insular communities. Cosplays isn't that any more. In good faith, please give me a recent example of gatekeeping working to maintain community standards?
>>10599115You can repeat yourself all you like, you won't stop sounding retarded.
>>10599116Loser talk. Absolutely cucked.>Success isn't binary>Can't even come up with an example
>>10599092To go to bat for op here what they are saying is that to be 'cosplayer' all you have to do is wear a costume outside a Halloween context. If all you have to do is the act and then you describe yourself by it, you aren't keeping anyone out. Where I disagree with op is question the ability of gatekeeping in even bullying people enough where they feel alienated enough to leave. More often than not the bullied person in question just sticks to their social circle and pays no mind or even better when they are just oblivious to all the venom and we assume they both know or care. Cosplay circles aren't closely knit enough to even keep out obvious creeps.
>>10597707You smell like shit
>>10597707Social media knocked those gates down a long time ago. Its not 2007 anymore where all you had was CosCom and ACP. Why worry about gatekeepers when you've amassed 50k+ followers on various social media platforms.
>>10598837Costuming is broad and all encompassing. Specific characters still fall under costuming
>>10597707Gatekeeping is shit and this line of questioning is shit.
>>10599357Why the fuck are you gatekeeping the act of asking questions? You need to stop.
>>10599359are you gatekeeping gatekeeping?
>>10597707Why she sooooo fat now
Gatekeeping is antithetical to anything anybody wants out of gatekeeping. In fringe communities where the decaying microcosm of individuals who were in the "in" group wind up rapidly closing towards total irrelevance, attempts to shut others out only increases the pace with which your "group" ceases to exist. In cases where there is a forecasted reasoning that newcomers are going to enter soon, acting like autistic chimps only succeeds in making sure that newcomers avoid the old guard like the plague and enter only in their new communities and bring others into their new communities. Shitting on others makes people regard the community as "toxic" and degrades it, but most people will still engage with as much enthusiasm as if the more vitriolic elements didn't exist. Communities still grow or die, and the only thing you can do is make sure they are brought in as you want them to, rather than barring them from engaging unless they are up to your specifications.
>>10600073Dio is smelly
>>10600073It sounds like you've only dealt with negatively reinforced gatekeeping. You can cultivate and encourage those who seem genuine while shunning and pushing out predators and trouble makers. Having mods and group leaders is a form of gatekeeping; setting thresholds to entry doesn't kill a group it's like weeding a garden.
>>10597721>Most good cosplayers started as cringe cosplayerAgreed. Everybody will begin somewhere.>If you can't accept cringe cosplayers, you won't get new good cosplayers in the futureDisagreed. If you can't give a constructive criticism to cringe cosplayer to gradually change them into better cosplayer, then we won't get new good cosplayers in the future
>>10597716>ignoring that most of the gatekeepers are predators themselves and use their gatekeeping in order to prey on people who look up to them as an authorityAnd that's how Catholic Church works.
Most cosplayers don’t like or take criticism anyway , so why bother keeping them around kek
>>10600133This anon has it right. When trying to grow a community, it is necessary to remove toxic elements which has been done successfully over time in my opinion. As a recent example some people took the popularity of Captain America as an excuse to wear Nazi uniforms to conventions and that was quickly banned by most cons. Codes of conduct have been put in place to make it easier to remove unwanted behavior from the con space.Gatekeeping of casual fans at the con level is bad. The more people buying tickets gives the con more money to work with to make better events and get more guests.Gatekeeping at the cosplay level is ridiculous. People will have good costumes and people will have bad costumes. Effectively the gatekeeping that is acceptable here is that you don't have to give recognition/asspats to people just because they're wearing a costume. Most people who complain about bought cosplays are just jealous because they think they deserve asspats when they don't.
>>10597718LMAO t. pedophilic racist
>>10597707>Is gatekeeping actually a bad thing?I can't see it being good in any way.>What if it helps improve public perception of cosplayPublic perception of cosplay is a non-issue. You're going to private events where 100% of attendees like the same things as you.
>>10597766>Cosplay is deeply associated with pornoDeeply associated by who?>OFliterally nothing wrong with it
>>10597962This.t. Walked past the gates anyway.
>>10597707More like Bonbi Chonkers
>>10597747But youre not bald... is that anon on drugs or something
How do you gatekeep cosplayers who barely interact with the cosplay community?
>>10597716Keeping predators and bigots out isn't gatekeeping though. Gatekeeping is when you put up walls around something and demand expertise to enter. Like yeah, we want gatekeeping around people who wanna become doctors because the expertise is key to saving lives, but when it's "NAME EVERY GUNDAM OR UR A FAKE FAN" it's fucking ridiculous.
>>10597747Anon pls spill the tea
>>10610874It's a meme. The dude in the pic is a pedo who groomed a popular girl on tiktok.
Because people are too lazy to be cosplayers and most of them prefer to buy outfits, wearing them and calling it "cosplay". Not to mention most of them don't really watch/read/play the original works where their character is from.Cosplay is a craftmanship hobby. It has no sense other way. If gatekeeping worked, we would have had all the posers kicked out for decades now.Remember that someone who can't bother to make their own cosplays are also too lazy to watch their animu or play their gamus.
>>10611262>people are too lazy to dress up
>>10611262>cosplay is a craftsmanship hobbyNo it's not, stop playing cosplay cop.
>>10611262hard agree, it /should/ be a maker hobby but it isn't. because it isn't, you get all sorts of posers in the scene, and people seeking validation with no effort or skill to show for it.
>>10597747How the hell do all these ugly and really hot people get partners!!
>>10612108It's not ever been a maker hobby, nor should it be. If you want to engage as a craftsperson in cosplay, go do it. That doesn't make you better than anyone, it's a zero-stakes hobby. Nothing you're doing is saving lives or making the world a better place, it's literally just dressing up for fun. That people put so much emphasis on "doing it right" or whatever on such a largely irrelevant thing is fucking stupid.Enjoy what you enjoy, do it the way you enjoy it, don't dictate to others what it should be.
>>10598161>skeletorstfu she's fine
>>10597707The problem with gatekeeping and measuring "cringe" is that there's no exact metric for what cringe is or isn't. What might be cringe to one person is just average to another. What you end up with is a community of people with different definitions and metrics all trying to throw each other out.
>>10611262You seem to have confused cosplay with costume maker. The internet's most famous/infamous cosplayer doesn't make her own costumes. Are you one of those people who get jealous when a cosplayer get more attention than you because you think your costume is objectively better since you made it even though you look like crap next to a store bought one? Because that's what you sound like.
>>10612481it literally has been from the start when cosplays couldn't be bought online, the rise of aliexpress and commercialization of it has both made it more accessible and also drastically lowered the quality because almost nobody puts in any effort nowadays. There's a very distinct difference between being a career cosplayer and having pro-tier photoshoots, a fanpage, etc. and being little Becky that wants to dress up as a MHA character and goof off at cons. I have no issues with the second. If you're the first, what are you showing off? Your skill at ordering shit off Alibaba?
>>10612781Do you honestly think people didn't just grab shit out of closets that looked "close enough" and add party supply shit to it? Whether it's a cosplay made to BE that cosplay or a closet cosplay, low-effort costumes have been there from the beginning.But also, it doesn't fucking matter.
>>10597707like most things in life, its about who does the gatekeeping.usually the people who want to do it are representative of the exact people who should never do it
>>10611044Oh no I was asking for the tea on Emiru, it’s a bummer to hear she’s a shit person irl
>>10597707Does gatekeeping even work in the social media era?
>>10613929It requires a massive amount of people to parrot the same thing towards an individual to drive them out. If the numbers are small then it's just seen as a few haters that can be ignored.
>>10597707>What if it helps improve public perception of cosplay by driving away the cringe cosplayers?you don't want thatkeep the cringe onesdrive out the THOT-ones
>>10597707Depends, Gatekeeping is neccesary to any hobby to keep out people who will harm that hobby's integrity. But there is a problem with elitism in cosplay. By all means, we should be telling the people with shitty ali express and Wish.com morphsuits to fuck off. And especially tell all the groomers and trannies on discords to fuck off too. But after that just be chill. >>10597733If you're costume looks shit you're going to get dunked on. Regardless of how you feel about it this is what people do. Cringe cosplay exists. If they have a shitfit and start whining on /cow/ you know to keep the gate closed. In any artistic medium critique is necessary to improve.
>>10612662>The internet's most famous/infamous cosplayer doesn't make her own costumes.See Jess that's the problem. You don't make your costumes. Your pics are about your tits and no one would have a problem with this if you just called your shit an erotic cosplay or something else adjacent to real cosplay. I cbf to deal with e-thots when I just want to sew and do the best lolita I can without thots ruining everything.
>>10611262You would have a better argument that cosplay is a performance art. The act of dressing up as a character / performing as them is essential part of being cosplayer. Crafting, although always an element in cosplay largely out of necessity, is now less of a necessity. But that escapists performance element will always be there. Its arguably why anyone engages with the hobby. To not be themselves for a little bit.
I think gatekeeping is fine to keep amateurs out unless it's like, you can't cosplay x because you're black or [insert immutable characteristic like sex or race here]
>>10615313I think if a fat black weeb thinks she can pull off a revealing Aqua from Konosuba cosplay she should be told to fuck off. Part of cringe cosplay is when you look absolutely nothing like the character at all. I don't care about your race. I care that you had too much ice cream crying over exes.
>>10611262Pretty much>hot hoe buys an expensive costume>dresses up>inmediatly becomes top cosplayer Gatekeeping doesn't work.
>>10615354They said immutable characteristics, race is one, fat is not and can be changed so they clearly weren't talking about weight. Learn to read anon. You're letting gross fatasses in skimpy outfits live rent free in your mind and that's sad.
>>10615354Fat is not an immutable characteristic you retard. I'm talking about stuff that's totally out of your hands like height and race
>>10597707yes it's bad. Easy example - if people had their way, black people would only be cosplaying black characters and be shunned for doing any other. Not that it doesn't happen already with anon keyboard fags.
>>10597747Not a single retard here knew what you're meming about
>>10615547this is what happened with lolita but gender reversed and with more fatties
>>10615555>>10615547Kek imagine thinking girls are ruining a hobby when in many "male dominant" nerd spaces there were female fans all along who were never accepted to begin with because of their gender. It's not normal girls' faults that the only women men allowed into a hobby are attention hungry thots (because nerdy dudes are retarded lonely simps) when they are the ones who chose to disregard actual interested females.
>>10615559Its like saying women ruined star trek, lmao
>>10615555Lolita was always a fatty hobby even in Japan. Men were present and did fine before the community at large assumed any sissy was just a poor innocent trans girl. This graphic treats the entry of the opposite gender as inherently detrimental but originally brolitas were not detrimental to the fashion, and neither were fatties. The problem is entitlement and demanding inclusion and accommodation in ways that are unreasonable.
>>10597707>improve public perception of cosplayliterally impossiblepublic perception will be "manchildren dressing like cartoon characters" forevernot respectable
>>10615565Men give thots money and power and make them popular and then get angry that the thots have money, power, and popularity and won't accept their crusty PPs just because they modded the community discord.
>>10615574This basically. I see countless beta males online who whine about cosplay thots and are nowhere to be found when it comes to supporting craftsmanship cosplayers. Craftsmanship isn’t popular bc people don’t care about it. You can make a living off ur tits, you can’t make a stable income off of massive sakizou gowns that take a year to make. Bonus points if aforementioned betas also whine about craftsmanship as well with dumbfuck nitpicks about things that are physically impossible to achieve kek
>>10597707when did bonbi get so fat wtf
>>10615574Well it's typically different men who get angry at e-whores. Hence the "thot-audit" a couple years back and even the term "simp" becoming a thing. Most of those thots know full well what their doing, but there enablers are only slightly worse.
>>10599110women have always been into gaming you dumb autist. hang yourself
>>10615302who gives a shit. males pay them. stop being bitter.hang yourself if youre concerned about e-thots (which are male too by the way)
>>10627105it wont change anything. sex will always sell and everything is sexualized nowadays especially in the west.hot women and hot men will get money, not the ones who spend years making their costumes. either get over it or change hobby. instead of being a stupid bitch complaining about it, you could ask them to wear your costume so youd get fame and money but yall retards cant get it right
>>10598584This will always be the truth
>>10637623Because a lot of "women" here are trannies LARPing as women
>>10637623>perhaps it’s just the cosplay community attracts the worst strangest men?>perhaps
>>10627190E-thots usually hang themselves first when they realize they can’t do it forever
>>10637623If you're from /fit/ you should know how much men there hate women (Roasties, slampigs, girls are objects to win, dumb sluts, they only want 8 inch dicks, etc). A good majority of this site does. Now imagine being a woman on /fit/ and being exposed to that all the time. This is how you develop a hate for men here.
>>10637808Looking at the current state of cosplay and the shit that showed up on the colossalcon discord, I'm starting to think /fit/s hate is quite valid.
>>10637636I've met plenty of women from /cgl/ irl and easily 50% of them hate men.
>>10638177Can confirm. Met a few of em in Florida and Holy fuck they despised men.
nat mogs everyone it's insane
>>10597707Gatekeeping is literally what keeps 4chan away from the r*ddit normies. I'd say it's a good thing. I just wish /pol/tards would gatekeep themselves away from other boards.
>>10649397 The fuck are you on man? This place got infested with reddit retards in 2016 and they're using gentrification tactics on various broads.
>is gatekeeping a bad thingNo.>improve public perceptionWho fucking cares about public perception. I'm just sick of seeing shitty lolitas/cosplayers who keep getting validated for some reason.Of course gatekeeping should be realistic and not based on class as >>10597713 mentioned, lolita for example is weirdly gatekept by /cgl/ for not having enough brand. Nothing wrong with decent looking bodyline/taobao lolitas, I don't see why there's this stigma against them. I'd rather than than brand-litas.
>>10638142Yeah they say that shit when they catcall us. Also I've been groped in public & followed, only a couple times but that couple is enough to make me hate men for life. If I constantly got robbed by black people I'd probably be racist too, it's not rocket science
>>10637623That's just how women in general are these days. At least all of them under 25. They still get railed by misogynist chads at the end of the day, so it doesn't really matter.
>>10649545Cope. You live life on easy mode.
>>10649640im sorry you and your autistic friends are ugly but how is that our problem?
>>10649651It isn't, but don't expect me to have any sympathy for your insignificant problems.
>>10615566This. Well-dressed quiet fatties and brolitas/truetrans are not the problem. Screeching fatties and predatory sissies who demand publicly (and embarrassingly) that brands and comms cater to them or be blasted as "phobic" are the problem.
>>10613382She's not. Emiru is responsible for that teenage girl breaking up with her groomer pedophile boyfriend, (the one from the image), so the story about Emiru making him cry is because Emiru stole his cosplaying teenage girlfriend away from him
>>10597707To normies, you all look like cringe cosplayers